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Episode 13 with Justin Sauder and Terry Kauffman · Clean Water Conversations

• 0:10
  SPEAKER_04: Hello everyone and welcome to Clean Water Conversations, the podcast where we have casual discussions about creating clean and clearer waterways right here in Lancaster County.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_04: I'm Ken.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: Hey everybody.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Alison.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_04: Allison.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_04: It's fall.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: Thank goodness.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yay!
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_04: The the leaves are changing, the weather is cooling up.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's there's so much to to like.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_04: What is your favorite part of fall?
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I do have a kid named Autumn, so I love all of it.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: I have made it a big part of my life.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_04: You fan of the pumpkin spice and Yes.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: We have two guinea pigs and their names are pumpkin and spice.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_04: I had no idea.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_04: That's hilarious.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: No, you all know.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: How about you, Ken?
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: What's your favorite part of fall?
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's the cooler temperatures and sitting by a fire.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_04: Ooh, yes.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's kind of nice.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we have a lot of really cool stuff going on.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: What is awesome in your world right now?
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, awesome in my world.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited that we have now opened this podcast for new sponsors.
• 1:15
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• 1:23
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• 1:24
  SPEAKER_04: You will also find it on the episode description.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_04: We'll put that in, we'll put the link to that information there.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: How about you, Ken?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: What's awesome in your world?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_04: We just announced the Clean Water Fund awardees.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_04: And lots of really cool work being done in Langster County for clean water.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
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  SPEAKER_04: And you can find a list of those awardees on our website, Langster Cleanwater Partners.com.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love those awardees because they are all about capacity building.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: There is a need for shovels in the ground, but we know there's a need for people too.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so this partnership that we have with the Lancaster County Community Foundation allows us to administer the Clean Water Fund in a way that's easy to access.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: The application's super simple.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: The money comes to the partners right away so that they can do that work, they can do the outreach, they can monitor water quality and then keep rolling.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, shout out to Community Foundation and all those new awardees.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: Woo-hoo.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, and speaking of really cool work that's being done, we are talking about some really cool work being done in Easter Township with two of the two of the partner leads.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, two of the difference makers.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's Justin Souter, he's the township manager slash assistant, secretary, treasurer.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_04: And Terry Kaufman, who is a former township manager and Arrow employee, and a former county commissioner, and they're telling us about all of the great clean water work they're doing in East Earl Township.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_04: Let's get started.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: So tell us about your background.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_04: Where'd you grow up?
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_03: So I grew up in East Earl, about uh half a mile from where I currently reside, so haven't made it very far.
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  SPEAKER_03: Home sweet home.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_03: Home sweet home.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, so spent my entire life in East Earl Township.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh worked on a dairy farm and sold uh dairy feed for 18 years prior to entering the municipal world.
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  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_04: And now there you are making a difference in your own hometown.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: Trying to.
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  SPEAKER_04: That's very cool.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_04: And we will get back to that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_04: Terry, how about you?
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  SPEAKER_04: Where'd you grow up?
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: I grew up uh on a farm in West Co-Calico Township, uh northern Lancaster County, a long time ago.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh currently reside in Lancaster, but uh still keeping to East Url.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: We're glad you do.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_04: Well, let's find out a little bit more about you guys, pick your brain a little bit by doing an icebreaker.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_04: Your icebreaker question is what would your dream house be like?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_04: That's a very open question, so take that however you want.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_03: That is an open question.
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  SPEAKER_03: Starting with a difficult one right off the bat.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I for me, I I like a cabin in the woods.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh however, this is a dream home and not reality.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_03: Uh nice big ranch out west, you know, why not have both?
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  SPEAKER_04: So that would be my ranch or out west.
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  SPEAKER_04: Any particular place out west?
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  unknown: No.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_04: No.
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  SPEAKER_04: Anywhere anywhere west.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, all right, fair enough.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's been living in East Earl Township for a long time.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: Terry, how about you?
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think if as long as it's a house along the water with woods, uh I just find water relaxing, peaceful.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_02: I love waking up in the morning and the waves hitting the rocks and things like that.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's my uh probably preference, Chesapeake Bay.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_04: You know, if I was answering that question, I think that would be my same answer.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you get up in the morning, you listen to water, then you get the fishing rod, and then you go catch some fish, and then you bring them home and clean them, and then you eat them.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: So full circle.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds like a good dick.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: Part of why we need this work, right?
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: So we can have fish for dinner.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, absolutely.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_04: You guys are doing a lot of work, a lot of clean water work, a lot of restoration work in East Rural Township.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_04: How did it all get started?
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good question.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it all started when Terry was our interim manager, and uh we had a supervisor meeting in the middle of a torrential downpour, and I believe our our our chairman uh grabbed you and said, Terry, we gotta go look at a problem we have out here.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: And uh you guys put on your jackets and uh went out and checked one of our uh one of our usual flooding spots.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: And uh so yeah, that was it kind of began as a stormwater project for us, which kind of morphed into the clean water uh projects for Easter.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, he's exactly right.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh chairman of the board said, You're coming with me.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: And this is like after a whole day and evening meeting, and I'm like, but I don't have a coat.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: He said, Anker.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_02: And we went out and stood with a lady, and uh she and I felt really bad.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: Her garden had flooded for probably the third time, and she was a uh an older resident, but lived there and her pride was a garden and it went away.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_02: And uh nothing she had done or whatever.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: And then I think that started the conversation for us.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um and probably if in retrospect, not just sitting and thinking about it, is sort of set the table where the supervisors came on board because they said, hey, we have a problem.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_02: At least we can try.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's what some of what we did was try.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are both uh local government work and some of your political work, it's allowed you to connect with diverse parts of your community.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: It sounds like everything from gardens to stormwater to roads to local leadership.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen an increase in the frequency that clean water or flooding issues or storm issues that they come up?
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I have.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_03: At the township, I mean, we are seeing a lot more interest in clean water projects.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh while it while it did begin as a stormwater issue seven, eight years ago uh for us, um we are seeing you you mentioned politically, and uh it seems that there's a lot more interest on b both sides of the aisle.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody's interested in clean water, obviously.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's not a political issue, so uh it is something that we're seeing quite a bit.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: But no, you we we deaf for some of us who have been doing this for a little while.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's it's okay to talk about it now.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's so talk about water quality, it's okay to talk about how we can do that.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh one of the things that Justin and I spoke about is we have developers coming in now and we say, can we look at that stream?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: Can we put some water quality units on there?
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's okay.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: And they're not like going crazy and saying, Yeah, let's look at that and design process.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: And w Justin could give you a few examples of a few.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think we have a good example right now.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we have a uh proposed industrial park uh that was rezoned recently that we have sat down with the developer and mentioned uh working on the swale, uh creating a bioswale in the area there.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_03: So they seem open to it.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_03: We'll see uh see where that goes.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the significance is you can talk about it.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, years ago you said, well, we are not required to do that under the Stormwater Act.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: We're not doing it.
• 8:34
  unknown: Okay.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's Act 34, Act 35, whatever it is.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: And uh that's a change.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: That is a big shift.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, kudos to you all for being the leaders to push that message from the beginning.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: I remember some of our board members saying that we've got to get those clean water conversations in the very early phases of development work.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: It can't just be when you see the design come across the table for approval.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's gotta be how are you integrating that in?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: So thanks for sharing that example.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, one of the others we've had was uh JB Hostadder.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: Uh JB Zivorf.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: JB Zivimberg.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, wrong town.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: He wanted to come in and create some parking.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_02: And we said, eh.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_02: So we worked with him and we work with our engineer, and he actually put some pervious pavers in, but then he put a rain garden in.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, great.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: And we helped put him in, and he agreed to maintain it.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: So he got growth as a business.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: We got water quality improvements.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_02: And that was actually at the headwaters of the big area going down toward Blue Ball.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's a big deal.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_04: It is a big deal, yeah.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I have one question.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_04: I I would just wanted to backtrack a little bit for those who are who are listening that might not know what a bioswale is.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_04: Can you explain that?
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_03: Uh sure.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_03: We just take uh an existing swale that's there now that is underperforming, not performing, is filled in with sediment over the years.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_03: Uh go in, get that, uh get all of the the old fill dug out, put in some amended soils and grasses, and uh, you know, try to uh have it act as a as a buffer that it cleans the water uh prior to reaching the basin.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: What are some of the ways that you have seen or experienced or hear from your peers that local officials need support for these these kind of projects?
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think one of the things that most municipalities and Easter already is no different.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: We have very limited staff.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: We don't have a lot of people.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, we can nibble around the edges of stormwater or project, but really to bring the big projects together, we don't have the resources.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: And financially, yes, that's one thing, but just the people to make the calls, the contacts, the partners.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: That that's the biggest issue.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great example of how the collaborative approach can be more beneficial, I'm hearing you say, to you guys individually, but then also to your whole watershed.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned the headwaters of where a project is, and everything that's downstream starts to feel that impact, feel that change.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Are you guys seeing that that that collaborative approach has it been successful from a local government standpoint?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking yes, you have boxes to check for permits, but you mentioned working directly with or hearing directly from a landowner.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Are how is that part of your success, I guess?
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, I think it absolutely is.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it has it has enabled us to reach out to some of our neighbors uh in in the township as well as outside of the township.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean working with some of our neighboring municipalities on some projects.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: And uh yeah, I think if we take it as a collaborative approach, we're able to obviously accomplish a lot more by taking one small piece at a time.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_03: And uh it has opened up a lot of doors for us.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_03: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it's funny how this thing works.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, our first stormwater project, which involved the individual at the storm issue, we were able to get some resources from Lancaster Farmland Trust.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna get that.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we actually were going to do a stream restoration, but the two individuals who really were pushing us to make an improvement didn't want to go along with it before Pendot fixes the stream.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: And then we worked with Farmland Trust and we kind of pivoted and went to a neighboring farm and put some improvements and uh plantings and so forth.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, now that got us over the hill.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: Now we're starting to do other things.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Then we got involved with Clean Water Partners, and you brought a lot of resources to the table.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: We I'm I'm gonna go backwards here.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: One of the things we started early on, even before the stormwater issues, we partnered with the Farmland Trust to uh do a survey of all of our farms.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: And what conservation practices.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: And we were laughing earlier because what it happens now when uh uh maybe a plain sector Nami farmer comes in, we can actually pull up their farm and say, Oh, you've got these practices, or you don't have those, or here's a problem area.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we didn't realize how much of a benefit this was going to be when we when we um partnered with Lancaster Farmland Trust uh to go out and check out the uh best management practices uh on each of our farms.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: So it has been a great tool for us.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh good.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that data piece is huge.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: It can make such a difference.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_04: Let's talk stream delisting strategy.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_04: You have a lot of projects going on with that end in mind.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_04: What are some of some of the some of your biggest projects that either have been a success or you're looking to be a big project that's gonna make a big difference?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: So in retrospect, it seems as if we are maybe kind of doing this backwards uh uh with the Cedar Creek.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we started downstream uh with this project near Route 23.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but we were, you know, we we had to go with where we had the landowners that enabled us to do the project.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: So we are working our way back up to the the headwaters of the Cedar Creek with the uh ginger pat project that we have that we have coming up.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um so yeah, I think our strategy now is to try to connect all of the pieces, the puzz the puzzle pieces that we have in place and try and try to uh uh bring them all together here.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: But we've been able to get when we had a willing partner or an owner who wants to do something, we took that opportunity.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't necessarily say, well, that's step seven.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: We might have had ten steps and recognized that ten can become one if the wherewithal is doing it.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we look at Shady Maple.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh everyone where knows where Shady Maple is.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: And their willingness, I I I can only say their absolute willingness to participate, do an education component.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um actually they weren't as happy the first time when they did a uh rain garden on the one property, but they realized it and they really become advocates.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: So shout out to Shady Maple.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: No, absolutely.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and to you guys for building that relationship.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's one of the key things we've seen is that you, as the trusted local advisor, that peer-to-peer conversation starter, makes such a difference.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you for being that voice for putting options in front, but also supporting people as they bring options to you.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what we have.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you've got a group of residents somewhere in the middle, I call it Sheep Hill, uh, who really want to do a project.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: And we're kind of coalescing how to do that.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we we we realize there's a lot of pieces there.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you're probably dealing with 10 homeowners, and we realize it's going to be an uphill battle to try to get all of them to agree to the same approach.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: That being said, it worked in the past for the Martin Street Swale, the Martin Street Swale Project.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I remember talking to our roadmaster and uh said, Scott, is this something that we can do in-house if all of the landowners agree uh to this project?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: He said, Yeah, it's not gonna happen that you're gonna get eight, nine, ten homeowners agree.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_03: So we had a meeting uh at the township building, laid out uh laid out the plan, and that evening every single one of the landowners raised their hand, said, uh, yeah, we we'd like to do this.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: They're having lots of flooding issues in the area.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: And I saw the look on our roadmaster's face, uh, and you could tell that there went his summer plans.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: Because now we're working on the soil.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Where's your celebratory button, Ken?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: One of the fun things about the project they came in to talk to Justin about.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: We talked to them maybe three years ago, and the one individual said, Well, I want done.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: We said, We'll work on it.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: We'll work on it.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I'll segue to Justin.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: But what did that individual tell you when you reached out to them last time?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we're on Sheep Hill.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh uh, yes.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so Terry and I uh initially met with the gentleman, and Terry laid out for him, he said, you know, this is a three to five year process.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: These things don't happen immediately.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: So uh when when uh they reached out to me recently, I was asked to come out and uh check out the property, but don't bring Mr.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_03: No along with me.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: So Terry now has a new name around the town.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: Mr.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_04: Now that brings up another question.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_04: Have you had any interesting, unexpected experiences with landowners and their reactions to your proposals for the the the work that could that could be done on their land?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_03: I would say it's been surprisingly positive, really.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: I mean uh the the uh partners that we've had so far, it's kind of other than the two that Terry mentioned earlier, it's kind of gone off without a hitch.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: People have been very excited about the work that's been done.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, so now we're working with another one that we're trying to I I met with him earlier this week, and he is agreeable after the first meeting to about half of what we're proposing.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: And uh so we need to work on the rest.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, it's been overwhelmingly positive.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's so awesome.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: Even for Mr.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_05: Even for Mr.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: And it I'd love to say to that individual, well, uh three years ago, guess what?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: We're back.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: And you're down to scope.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_05: You're ready, yeah.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's just neat to watch it.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: And some of us who've done this for a long time, yeah, it's really satisfying to see it kind of the domino and how this thing can work and the synergy that can happen.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: And again, from the township perspective, to know we can call Alex or we can call Lancaster Farmland Trust, or we could call the conservation district.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um one of the one of the fun things, and I'll say just figuring out when we do funding things and how you from a township's perspective, then you submit invoices, and then you figure out when the money will come, and then you try to do the payments.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that's a big deal.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because most municipalities' budgets are tight.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: So cash flow and it's it's been great because it's been open conversation.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's so great.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that it uh is different because they're consecutive landowners?
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're all in one catchment or one stream area.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: I I feel like what I'm hearing you say is that that domino effect does make it easier for neighbors to see each other rather than randomly picking across a specific either a municipality or a larger watershed or something that could be more random.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's a great question.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, because we have been able to take prospective uh landowners and show them what we've already accomplished.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: They've seen what their neighbors have done, and it takes away the fear of working with the local government, knowing that the neighbor downstream has already worked with us, is very happy with the product the uh product that they've received.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: So, yes, I think that's absolutely a large piece.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are driving that, you're making it happen.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_04: And I love hearing the stories about the collaboration between landowners and a municipality in your case, um, or sometimes a private organization.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_04: It it's hats off to those landowners for having the foresight to realize the good that it's going to do, not just for you know, downstream, but also right there on their property.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I think we're seeing that's a generational thing too.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: Uh with our first project uh down along 23, we originally met with the landowner.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: The farmer was rather hesitant, understood what we wanted to do, but uh was hesitant because he knew it was going to take away some of his pasture land.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_03: And uh about what, Terry, two, three days later we get a call and said, uh, I'd like to come in and discuss that again.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the boys tell me this is something we need to look at.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I think we're seeing the next generation is a lot more open to this.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_04: Now we know that the restoration work helps achieve Easter Townships.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_04: Hey hey, hey, you rascal, you municipal separate storm sewer system, or MS4.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_04: Now you guys can use it if you want.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: Trapping me.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: Easterl Townships, MS4, uh pollution reduction plan requirement.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_04: Why is uh uh a permit or a regulatory element helpful to reach collaborative goals?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Or have you really not found that to be true?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: I think it helped with sparking the idea.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like with our board, they understand that we have requirements that we do need to meet.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: But I think it has grown into something that uh they and we understand that we, you know, just when we meet our requirements, that doesn't mean we stop.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: I mean you continue to grow and build on the on the progress that you have already completed.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: So I think it was a good driver.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: Because uh not just our board, but uh any board, they they understand this is something they need to do.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it made us think about it, but I think it kind of became a part of the process.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um in other words, we knew we had that goal.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: We also knew we had stormwater, erosion issues.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: And once and again, we got into that domino type thing, I think the board basically said, oh wow, this can work.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: It isn't necessarily expensive, but it costs some money.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: But honestly, through the collaboration, the partnerships, it has reduced the cost potentially to municipalities.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's made it easier.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: But also a shout out to our board because they are our bosses.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we are blessed with a board that is willing to give us the uh the leash that we need to begin these projects because there is a significant financial barrier at the beginning.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_03: And uh we we are very fortunate to have a board that allows us to do this.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: Aaron Powell Very unusual in that this board has been proactive in approving engineering work to be done to get us prepared to look at funding opportunities rather than vice versa.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: So they're they've been very willing to take that risk.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's so cool.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: They see your strategy, they see your leadership, and they actively act on it so that you're ready instead of letting a funder or a grant application be your driver.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's big.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's a that's one of the things I've learned, quite frankly, over the years is if you have a project ready, it is so much easier to acquire funding because you get to an entity, whether it's a governmental entity, we're at the end of our year, we need so to spend this money.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have a project ready?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: And we have projects shovel ready.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_04: I want to take a step back because you had mentioned the ginger pat project.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um can you tell us about that?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_04: What uh what else involved in that project?
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: And is that a local term for a neighborhood because you've got two gingers sitting three gingers sitting here?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_03: Uh once upon a time, three.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say, I figured four.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_04: None of us is named Pat though.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my uh my grandmother was originally that was my middle name.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not claiming that area, but would love to hear about it.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, just ginger pat is if we want to look at that whole Cedar Creek tributary, that's the headwaters.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we had been nibbling at that.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: We had been trying to develop some partnership with some farmers, we had tried to develop partnership uh with another governmental entity, uh, with a private entity, uh public entity.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then we found this little development that was done in I want to say the mid-90s that had some stormwater facilities in it.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: But guess what?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: They weren't taken care of, there were trees growing in them.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: And we went to slow down the water before it got down to Cedar Creek or Browertown Road, which is right ahead, and we talked to the owners.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, our roadmaster did, and I'm gonna digress a little bit here.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: We're also very blessed that we have a roadmaster who enjoys this.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: He he gets it.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: He he enjoys doing these kinds of projects.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: And he really met with the property owners and talked to them individually.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: Can we come in?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: Can we do that?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: And they all agreed, including access through properties, including increased right-aways.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um it it just was neat.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but again, that was the roadmaster did that.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, shout out to Scott on that one.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he is our new Cedar Creek catchment lead.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_03: And uh he took the uh reins with this one, as Terry mentioned, met with all of the landowners, and uh really did a great job with this.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: And we're gonna use that as a domino with some of the other partners we talked into.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: If we can't do it positively, we'll attempt to shave them into it.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_04: So you partners have been warned.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: They already have been.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: So you both serve an important leadership role in that local capacity.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: What are some of your leadership lessons that you've learned that you can share with our listeners?
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: So I think for us in in in our municipality, the big some of the biggest things are uh you know transparency, let the people know what we're looking at, and try to be out in front of it.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we try, as as Terry mentioned earlier, you know, we try to get out to the landowners and explain what we're trying to do.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_03: Not that uh we try to get out to them long before we're coming to them, asking them to sign on the dotted line that the project's ready to go.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_03: So we you know, we like to have an idea of what we're going to be able to do and and what's going to be a non-starter.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_03: So I think um, you know, for us it's just being transparent and and uh staying out in front of it with all of our landowners.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: And the trial has been pretty transparent.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: We tried maybe three years ago, well, we did for two or three years, we had kind of an Easter open house at the local firehouse, invited partner agencies in like the Conservation District, Lancaster Farm Land Trust, uh, the County of Lancaster, our engineer, the library, I'm missing others here, but basically just an open house, served hot dogs, or staff made the hot dogs, and just that conversation.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that merging of people's ideas, people came in and talked to somebody from the conservation district or from the farmland trust, and it we really don't know where those things go.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: The other thing that I think from a local government perspective is keep your eye on the ball.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um yes, we want to be here, yes, we want to do the whole stream, but don't be afraid to navigate off the solid line to reach your goal.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think sometimes in government we get so embedded in, well, I want to go right there.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: I want to get to the end right now.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: Instead of saying, can we take incremental steps, even if it's not exactly in the straight path, but navigate it to the end result?
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's something I've seen in a few years in local government.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's great advice.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: How do you kind of bring in the next generation of local government leaders and staff experts?
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: We I'm saying that because we're starting our new watershed leadership academy soon.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I think some of those people would be interested in things like board roles or being a volunteer.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I would love to know how you guys are working with that.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think I'll do it as the old person here.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: I I I think it's just important to grow that talent.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, just as East Earl has grown Justin, who was a local guy, was a supervisor, became a manager, we had a roadmaster who got that.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: So we've grown the local talent.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Some people may not have that benefit.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: But now you begin to talk about other people, how you get people in the Planning Commission.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that's particularly interesting in some of the uh more rural communities where you have Mennonite and Amish uh population where people don't really want to serve on boards.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: But the township's actually been able to do that pretty well, both in the Planning Commission and Zoning Board.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: So that's another trickle down, and then hopefully use that as your springboard for future leaders.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: So a podcast for us is one of the ways that we tell the story of the partner organizations.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are fantastic giving this information from your own voice.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm curious, where else should we, as the network, and that can be for the local community, but also the Chesapeake Bay community, how can we be telling the story of success that you guys have seen?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: And how can we be your megaphone?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: I think probably the the easiest way would be, you know, if we reinstate our community days that we've had in the past, you know, come out as one of our partners, come and set up a booth, explain to people what we've done, what the benefits are, and what we're looking to do in the future.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we also have a quarterly, or no, I guess it's twice a year now, newsletter in the township.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if we can get I I think in the past you have given me some articles to to run in our newsletter, Facebook page.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, just be as active as possible with the township in any in any way that we're able to.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: I think it benefits us as well as you.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: On the larger community, I think if you can begin to network into the Lancaster County Association of Township Supervisors, I believe they still have a Lancaster County Boroughs Association.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you can get in some of those agendas, uh generally they like to have small snippets.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: If not, they have I I will say an exhibit space.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like I think the fall convention for the township supervisors are the Yoders, and they have a whole area.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: But those kinds of I mean I don't think we always know where we picked up advocates.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm sure that's the same for us.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, oh, that person's really interested.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, when we look at uh Jerry Martin, I mean we went and talked to him about his growth at the hardware store.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: We had no idea it was going to take us down our water quality issue.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: So you just chase or this comment, or somebody brought this up, or you know.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think there's one magic bullet.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think every municipality is different, which makes it great, but that's what it is.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: What are you doing next?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: What are clean water partners?
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: What's your next project?
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: What's your vision?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: What's the next step?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_05: The strategy for 2025.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: For 2025, I'm excited because I think we've been doing a great job of shaping that narrative of success coming into 2025.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: Within the Bay community, 25 is a big deal because of agreement dates and reduction requirements.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't always resonate with the local story, but we've been building the local story of success like you guys are describing because that shapes how Lancaster is seen, experienced, perceived across the Bay watershed.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's all been local success, the progress and the momentum building.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm excited because I don't foresee headlines in 25 that we were once nervous about that you didn't meet your goals.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think collectively there's been such momentum growth that it's gonna be all about look how much they've done.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: And people are kind of peeking and peeking upstream, being like, what are they doing there?
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's good stuff happening.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that we get to do even more celebrating.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And as you guys said, that builds neighbor to neighbor, and we'll just keep going downstream.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: The stream delisting strategy is one of the ways that we are doing that.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: So expanding the areas for those, being able to support partners and landowners within the ones that we have, but then also saying, okay, there's been so much happening here, let's go to the next one.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Let's make sure that we continue that growth, that um support in the unique way that each one needs.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I think those are two of the things that are coming up.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Our vision is still clean and clear by 2040.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: So these dates are pieces along the way.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: But thinking long term, making sure things still align with and support comprehensive plans, or you mentioned flooding, so hazard mitigation plans, flooding issues that show up in all those different places.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I think those are pieces that we want to make sure that one municipality in particular have the resources that they need.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: And as you mentioned, that could be funding, that could be leadership training, that could be connections.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: So respond, I like our ability to respond to what those needs are and then be able to customize it along the way.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: Well, hats off to you and your organization because I think without you driving the bus on some of these issues, we would not be seeing the growth that we are now.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: So hats off to Lancaster Clean Water Partners and uh the studio audience seems to be uh impressed as well.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_05: Thanks.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_04: Well, let's break into trivia time.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_04: I did a little research on you both, find out found out what you do outside of work.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: That's interesting.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_04: And so I have um I have trivia that is based on your your interests.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_04: I will address who it is, and you'll have two questions in within that category.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_04: One of them will be relatively easy, the other one not so much.
• 34:30
  unknown: Okay.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_04: So, Justin, I'll start with you.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_04: You're a Phillies baseball fan.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_04: I am.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_04: So your first question is how many World Series have the Phillies won so far?
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go with two.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_04: It is two.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_04: The first one was in 1980, the second one was in 2008.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_04: Also in uh Phillies Baseball, what year did the Phillies mascot, the Philadelphia fanatic, make his debut?
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh you got me on that one.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_04: No idea.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_04: It was 1978.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I was gonna say.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_04: Honestly, I'm a Phillies fan, and I there you go.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a Phillies fan, and uh yeah, I had to look that up.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: We've had some lean years, but it's been a lot better recently.
• 35:13
  unknown: There you go.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_04: It has been.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_04: Hopefully they continue doing that.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_04: Terry.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh you are uh a fisherman.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_04: I am an angler on the Chesapeake Bay.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_04: I am.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_04: What are the most sought-after fish by anglers in the Chesapeake Bay?
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think by and large it's a rockfish, striper.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's you are correct, yeah.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_04: Striped bass.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_04: Good job.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_04: This is your hard one.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, how much seafood by weight does the Chesapeake Bay produce annually?
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: A lot?
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know the answer, but I I know I've seen it.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_04: It's I'm gonna I'm gonna zing you for a lot, and then I'm going to pause you for the inaccuracy.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: It is around 500 million pounds each year.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_04: That's crazy.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_04: Justin, back to you.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_04: You play a lot of softball.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_04: I do.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_04: Where and when was softball created?
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_04: I know I told you there's an easy one and a tough one.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_04: That's obviously the tough one.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: The United States of America.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_03: Does that count?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh when?
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh 1900.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_03: You're you know what?
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_03: You're so I'm gonna give it to you.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_04: It was in Chicago, which is in America, so I'm gonna give that to you.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_04: And it was 1887, close enough.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: Created by George Hancock.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_04: Terry, were you involved?
• 36:35
  unknown: Yeah.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: This is what I come to work with.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, volunteer for, whatever.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_04: Now, what are the two rule sets in softball?
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, modified and fast pitch, or modified and slow pitch.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know which one modified is, but we're gonna go with that.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_04: Slow pitch and fast pitch, yeah.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_04: It probably started out slow and they called fast modified.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_04: Justin, I'm gonna stick with you for this one.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_04: You mentioned your cabin.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_04: You I believe you said uh up north, it's Potter County.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_04: It is Lycoming County.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_04: It is Lycoming County?
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_04: Let's just pretend that it's in Potter County and uh Potter Potter County was named after James Potter.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh what did James Potter do for a living?
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_04: And if you say wizard, I'm gonna buzz you.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: How about a lumberjack?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_03: Was he a lumberjack?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_04: Was not sorry.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh he was a general in the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_04: He actually never visited the area that bore his name.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_04: Interesting.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's why he cabins in my Homing County.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: I get a pass given that I am not in London County.
• 37:53
  unknown: Yep.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna have to talk to my source.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um what style were the first recreational cabins in North America?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_04: Log cabin.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_04: Terry, you're a golfer too.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_04: I attempted.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, me too.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_04: What is the oldest golf course in the world?
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: St.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_04: Andrews?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_04: You are absolutely correct.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_04: Very good.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_04: If you couldn't pull that, I was gonna tell you, just tell me what uh what uh country it's in.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um how many golf clubs are in a set?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_04: Twelve.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_04: It is twelve.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_04: I only play with two of them, so I couldn't have answered that one.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_04: Justin, getting back to sports for you, Eagles football.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_04: This is a 2006 movie about a true life football saga.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_04: It centers on Vince Papel, a 30-year-old sandlot player who earned a spot in the 76 Philadelphia Eagles, starring Mark Gruhlberg, Greg Kinnear.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_04: What was the name of the film?
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: Invincible, I believe.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_03: It was Invincible.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_04: That was good.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_04: That was very good.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_04: And finally, in 1943, Philadelphia Eagles merged with another NFL team due to a shortage of players caused by the Second World War.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_04: With whom did they merge, and what was that team called?
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_03: It would be the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Steagles.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_04: That is absolutely correct.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's like the dynamics in my house.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that is our show.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you guys for coming on, telling us about all the great work that you're doing in Easter Township.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_04: Is there any place that people can go to get more information about the work you guys are doing?
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_03: I check out our website, Easterl Township.org.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_04: And there will be a link in the show description with that.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you guys so much.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_04: And for all of you sitting at home, we will see you in a couple of weeks.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks, everybody.
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