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Antisemitism ... Have We Been Here Before? · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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And it's the third hour of the Morning Show with Preston's Guy. Good morning,
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everybody, Thanks very much for joining us. It is show five thousand
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and sixty six, and it's great to be with you. Grant Allen over
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there in Studio one A. I'm here in Studio one B. It's time
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for a little more history. Clever way to introduce doctor Ed Moore, our
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resident historian. Yeah, well, good morning. It's not long enough quite
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yet, but you got a little Santa Claus thing going right now. Yeah.
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I got a haircut though, Yeah, there you go. I'm due
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for mine. I'm way overdue. I teased before the top of the hour
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that what we're seeing, and I've commented at if you've listened and had a
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chance to hear any of the show, I found myself disgusted at humanity of
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late and saying this is how it happened, what happened before, this is
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how it happened. And by that, I'm talking about the anti Semitism and
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the singling out and attacking of Jews. There's a history there, Yeah,
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a long history there. And you know the first you know, I want
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to say, I was trying to figure out last night how long we've been
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doing these, but I wanted to thank you for creating this opportunity sixteen seventeen
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years ago. As the kids say, it's been a minute, it's been
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more than a minute, because I think we talked about important things prior to
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the last break. You talked about tomorrows show being Marvin Goldstein coming in with
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his accordion and festivities and all that. And I hate to be a downer,
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you know, I hate to be It's an important subject because we're in
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the There's two things that really have me disturbed right now to just too.
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The list is long, but really really disturbed. One is the reading scores
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that we're seeing in the mass scores we're seeing that are absolutely terrible and getting
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worse. And then the second is this rise of anti Semitism, as if
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it had laid dormant all these years. You know, where does this come
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from? Why is it there? It's hard to figure. And then when
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I see it in higher education, it really baffles me. I could understand
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it if what we were focused upon were those people that are now grown up
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that couldn't read and couldn't do math and scored poorly. Because that population through
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history, the population of ignorance. Perhaps that tend to get manipulated by people
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seeking power moving to power. That's where they begin their base. They create
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a base of people that just don't understand the bigger ramifications of things. But
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when then you see it transferred to higher education and what is going on there,
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it's absolutely baffling to me. I just don't unders saying that those I
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spent three decades or more in higher involved in higher education. It should be
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a place for a free exchange of ideas, open discussion. You could talk
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about just about anything in the proper classes. I mean, you shouldn't be
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talking about these things in biology or chemistry or you know, those kinds of
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subject matters. But if you're in the social sciences, all of these kinds
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of issues matter. But we haven't had free discussions in colleges for a few
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decades. We do in some I understood, but I'm painting with a broad
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brush. Yeah, And it's part of the problem with anything. The one
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rotten egg spoils the bunch, And in the case of higher ed, it
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tends to be concentrated in Northeast Eleite schools and West Coast schools where you see
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this rise of socialists, you know, people that just don't buy into the
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American dream, the American way, the American exceptional. If you went in
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and talked about that in those classes, you'd be booed. You don't see
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it as much in the Southeast schools, in Florida based schools. I mean,
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when October seventh occurred, the two of the earliest voices speaking out as
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to what was going to occur on their campuses were Ben Sass at the University
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of Florida and doctor McCullough at Florida State University. They issued statements and said,
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we will not allow this. This won't happen here. This is what
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we are as an institution of higher ed. That resonated. And you haven't
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seen it across the Florida independent schools, public schools, whatever. You're not
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seeing it. In most of the Southeast schools, most of the Midwest schools,
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you're not seeing it. But what occurs is when you have this ugliness,
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it pervades and the people, the talking heads on TV and all,
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it's all of a sudden, it's all of higher ed. Well, those
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three presidents that testified before Congress do not represent higher education in my view,
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but if we allow them to, it will grow. Coming up to twelve
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minutes past the hour, doctor ed Morgan to stay a couple of extra segments
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today because the topic warrants it. Anti Semitism is a cancer that is a
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stage four cancer that if you do not get a hold of it immediately and
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evisceraate it, it will grow, it will spread. And I think,
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and I've been saying it since all of this began in October, we're watching
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what happened that we said never again to. Yeah, aren't we? Well,
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we would hope never again is now is the theme? But I mean,
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am I correct when you look back at history? I mean the Holocaust?
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Obviously we're seeing events that haven't happened since the Holocaust to this level.
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Yes, So how did we get to the Holocaust? And what are those
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things that were happening then and are their parallels to today? Yeah, Well,
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go back to the lack of education and the populace that is looking for
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help for whatever reason. Remember, we had the Great Depression, and during
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the Great Depression is when Hitler rose to power. He was able to manipulate
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the masses and it started small, very small, manipulate them into moving in
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a direction. Now, he had made it very clear, and mine Comf
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in his book that hit my plan. That's what mine Comf means. This
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is where he intended to go with this. Nobody paid any attention to him
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because they thought he was just some fringe guy whatever type thing. Crazy politicians,
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because crazy politicians attract crazy people and that, and then they get legitimized.
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Over time, they get legitimized. We legitimize Hitler tremendously. The world
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did by allowing the Olympics to be in Berlin in nineteen thirty four. He
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was Time magazine Person of the Year. Yeah, I mean it was no
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one was paying really much attention to what was going on. I mean,
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I've got a long list here what I tend to do. I read a
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lot, obviously, you know, it's insatiable with me. I went back
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and tried to look at how these things happened. I mean, there's been
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in the twentieth century, there were four people that contributed the most to deaths.
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You know, it was you know, Stalin Mount Mouseitungue, Polepot,
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and Hitler that their actions contributed to the deaths of millions and millions of people.
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I mean even polepot in Cambodia country of what eight million people, they
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estimate maybe two and a half million of their own citizens were killed during the
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time of the Khmer Rouge. These things happen, and they happened while everyone
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is watching, and that's the scary part of all this. But if you
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go on a timeline, it was ninety years ago this January, well last
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January, ninety years ago that Hitler first he became Chancellor of Germany. And
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at the time there was less than well, less than way less than one
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percent of the population of Germany was Jewish. Okay, forgive my ignorance.
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This chancellor our equivalent to president or was there a position above him? There's
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a position above him, okay, but it was more being prime minister sort
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of a role, okay, and think of a British parliamentary constant. There
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were five hundred and sixty six thousand Jews in Germany, and Germany I think
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at the time had a population of about eighty million people. Hitler targeted them
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to blame them for everything that was going wrong. That's how we used this.
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He needed a scapegoat, They needed to blame someone. They blamed the
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Jews. Okay, and that is where it began. It was an easy,
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easy scapegoat. And if you go all the way throughout history, there's
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been that bias. For whatever reason, I've never been able to fathom against
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Judaism. I mean, it's the it's just baffling. He targeted five hundred
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and sixty six thousand in January of nineteen thirty three is when it began.
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Twenty one minutes past the hour, doctor edmore with me, more history.
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We're talking about how anti Semitism becomes a holocaust and the historical roots behind the
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Holocaust, and to determine if we are watching a mirror being held up right
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now in our country and around the world as it relates to the anti Semitism
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which is growing, it seems against Jews. Okay, all that lively background
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music, it should be Wagner or something, and it's a little more heavy
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German. I don't want to highlight that Germans in this well. It didn't
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take very long. Hitler got pointed to as Chancellor January thirtieth, actually the
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end of January, and by February to twenty seventh, the Nazis in the
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background set fire to their own capital. They tried to burn the Reichstag was
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minekomf published when he became chancellor or after before? It was that, So
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this is not an unknown commodity. The thoughts the philosophies of Adolf Hitler,
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oh no, no, no, he was a known quantity but ignored.
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But they set fire to their own their people. They burned their own capital
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or tried to burn their own capital. Why why did they do that?
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Well? One day later powers are granted to Hitler. Okay, emergency,
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We're in a state of emergency. Now someone is trying to burn down our
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capital and take over our country. They're already in the chair, but somebody
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else was to be blamed. Three months after taking power, three months,
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just three months, the Nazis opened Dachau, which was near Munich, Buchenwald,
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which was in Weimar in central Germany, Sashkeenhausen near Berlin, and then
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Ravensbroup for women. They opened up concentration camps. Three months after taking power.
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Okay, what was the public excuse for them? What was being told
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to people? Criminals and people against the state? Okay, okay? Which
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was kind of a broad rubric where we can use them how we want and
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Initially they were just arresting people opposing their party, people that didn't really you
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weren't getting the getting the plan here, you know, they didn't buy fully
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into it. But it gave them new prisons and places to put anybody who
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might oppose them, essentially quickly converting to concentration camps for juden, handicapped people,
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communists, those not a pure Areyan blood, homosexuals, anybody that they
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could taint in any way whatsoever. There you go, You're gone. Not
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high populations at first, but they were there and ready and open. And
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what was what were Germans doing at the time. I mean, clearly this
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wasn't done in a vacuum. They were in the midst of the depression and
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worried about putting food on the table that was off their radar. Basically the
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same thing for Europe in general and the border nations. Yeah, people weren't
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paying attention. They were too busy trying to feed themselves. And these things
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occur when the world ignores. Fifty four days after taking power, fifty four
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days the German parliament passed an enabling act. They gave Hitler dictatorial power.
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Okay, this is how quickly these things can happen in a democracy. So
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they allowed Hitler to have the control he was. They endorsed it the parliament
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and cursed it, and then you'd have to go back and talk to all
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of them as to why they voted. My guess would be a lot of
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it was out of fear. A lot of it was I don't want them
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knocking on my door. Sort of an emergency Powers Act that we might find
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in the United States Congress, Yeah, or that the president uses like he's
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trying declaring an emergency ere He's doing that now, Yeah, little small areas,
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but here they just That's where some of us looked at COVID and had
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concerns. Would you get concerned when government takes too much control? It becomes
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concerning? It should because they don't give it back. Usually they never received
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power back to anybody. Sixty two days after the Nazis staged the boycott of
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Jewish shops and businesses and pressured the German people not to buy or engage in
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any kind of commerce with anybody that was Jewish, and then seventy two days
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they equally eleventh nineteen thirty three, the Nazis issued a decree defining a non
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Aryan, as anyone descended from non Aryan, especially Jewish parents or grandparents.
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Now they had problems with this when they move forward and trying to do fine.
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Were you Jewish or Michlinga. I think it is called the German where
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I had two years of German in high school, so my pronunciation is probably
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not great. I think it's called Mischlinga. They actually put charts out that
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you would put on your wall that would have color coded dark figures, lightly
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colored white figures, determining what made you German, what made you Arian,
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what made you Juden. And it was like four grandparents, three grandparents,
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two grandparents, one grandparents, and you got scored. Over time, you
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got scored and those guys got hit first and you ultimately were going to be
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hit two. But that's how this is government. Keep in mind, this
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is government doing it to their own people, and a democracy, not a
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constitutional republic. More history, Doctor ad Moore were carrying a couple segments longer
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because the topic warrants it. We're going through the history of the Holocaust,
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not the Holocaust in and of itself, but what led to it. They
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say, we're still in nineteen thirty three discussion year. I mean it's stepping
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by step by step. On April twenty six. Keep in mind that Hitler
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came to power on January the thirtieth, so this is not too long after
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they spawned the Gestapo. It created by Hermann Goring in Prussia. They started
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it in one German state to build this new secret police. On May the
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tenth, they began burning books in Berlin and also throughout the rest of Germany.
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They didn't have school board meetings to determine what was good to read or
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not to read. They just came from on high with a list and said
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predominantly books by Jewish authors, books against the state. They have giant book
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burnings in the Plaza Fort Boughton. It's Board Boughten. If you got caught
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with one in your house, you would be arrested. If you had a
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library and still maintain those books in your home, you would be arrested.
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This wasn't a public school private school reading list. If you had the book
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your possession, you could be arrested. July the fourteenth, six months and
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fourteen days after taking power, the Nazi Party has declared the only legal party
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in Germany. Okay, they passed laws to strip Jewish immigrants from Poland of
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their German citizenship. If they were immigrants, they lost their citizenship. It
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was slicing and dicing basically from the beginning, taking small portions, getting it
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done, then going to a bigger portion. That was their modus opera on
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day. Did that require the Polish government or was that something that happened strictly
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from Germany. What occurred then is when they tried to deport all of those
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polishizen people that were living in Germany and Poland wouldn't take them back. So
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then what you had was a border crisis, sort of like in Gaza now
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where no one would take them. They're stuck there. What do we do
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with them? Eventually they snuck out in got away or were carried or killed
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or went to concentration camps. But that's that's what occurred back then. September
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the twenty ninth, Nazis prohibited Jews from owning any land. Okay, small
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changes and I could go date by date throughout the thirties where Jews slowly lost
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every right that they had. First, they're being hemmed in. First,
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you couldn't be part of the German Union. Labors unions that they know,
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so that took jobs away from them. They even went so far as to
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say, if you were Jewish, you couldn't have an Aryan housekeeper. Now
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keep in mind a lot of the Jews might have been prominent doctors or whatever
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and had household help. They were disallowed from having Aryan housekeepers. Little tiny
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slices taking freedom away from one small group of people, with the intent ultimate
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to totally get rid of them. They couldn't be newspaper editors, a very
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small kind of thing. November twenty fourth, the Nazis passed the Law against
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Habitual and Dangerous Criminals, which allowed them to clean their streets. They took
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beggars, homeless, alcoholics, and unemployed and sent them to concentration camps.
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Those are what those camps were initially used for. We're going to clean our
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society of anybody that's a burden to society. If they made it where if
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you wanted to get married, you had to go in for full medical exam
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and if you and get a certification saying you were qualified to get married,
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ergo have children. Yes, if you had something wrong with you, you
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would not be allowed to get married. If you were handicapped in anyway,
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you were not allowed to get married. That was the German way. We're
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going to do the impossible. We're going to bring this in for a landing.
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Don't know how we're going to do it, but we're going to do
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it. We're talking about the history what preceded the Holocaust, and at the
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end we're going to see if we can determine where we are in all of
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that. Right now, as we see things unfold that I have mentioned on
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this show frequently, ed must have been going on in the prelude to the
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Holocaust. Yeah, you just have to pay attention, and the voters have
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to pay attention. We have to pay attention as a country to what's going
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on in other countries because you know, we're I'm right now on my list
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here only in January of nineteen thirty four, only one year after we can
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talk about this for like fifteen episodes. The things occur, and we just
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don't pay attention the world doesn't. You know, we've got our own problems.
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We don't have to worry about that. And people say, oh,
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we don't need foreign aid and we don't need foreign entanglements. World wars start
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because people don't pay attention. I mean that's what occurred here. The world
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celebrated in Germany with the Olympics, with Hitler and gave him a platform.
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Then they met, not the dates in here, a bunch of countries met
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in Europe trying to decide what can we do about the Jewish problem? Okay,
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these are in the United States? Was included what do we do about
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the Jewish problem in Germany? And trying to create a place for them to
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go to escape. To mind, you're way down the road thinking about what
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do we do with these people? Instead of saying that they're German, they
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belong in Germany. This shouldn't be happening in Germany. Instead, we're trying
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to open doors and saying, welcome to us, and we'll give you a
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new life and a new start. And you know what happened with those I
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think it was twenty two different nations got together. You know what happened?
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Nothing. They wouldn't no one would take them. They closed their doors.
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Well, let me, at the risk of maybe not getting to many more
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dates here, if any, what now, with the benefit of twenty twenty
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vision, what would have been an appropriate response, given that there were people
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not paying attention. So you're paying attention and you're noticing. What should the
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nations have done besides not grant them the Olympics and so forth. Well,
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many things, mainly economic. I mean, Hitler was coming out of the
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used, coming out of the depression, and to rebuild the German economy,
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German steel, all of these things, all of the automotive industries that grew
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during this timeframe, the Volkswagen, the Mercedes Benz BMW, I mean,
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that's all German cars, and it came from the industrialization of Germany during this
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time frame. If you didn't buy their goods, they had no money to
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do the things they want wanted to do. But the world said no,
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no, we want German steel, No we want German products. And you
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keep trading with people that you shouldn't be trading with. Boy, does that
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sound familiar? And that's what occurs in this Nobody is ever willing to say
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no to evil because they have their own little, small best interests. They
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think at heart, say no. Let me just say no. It's a
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pretty simple thing. But we don't do that as a country, and the
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world doesn't do it. We're allowing the United Nations now to pontificate on what's
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going on in Gaza. We should be telling them basically shut up. Yeah,
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but we don't. Do we continue to keep funding them? Yes?
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Do we continue to leave them in New York. We don't even make them
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pay their parking tickets with all these rights and privileges, Yes we do.
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We should, but that's how we function. In closing, if you were
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to look at everything that you've studied, and I know that you're a student
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of the can temporary times that we're in, you read all the time,
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you're following the news, where are we in a sense of ugliness? Ten
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is is we're heading to the Holocaust all over again. Two point zero and
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one is well. I hate to be a cynic, but I think at
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any given time it's the human nature and the human condition to probably be at
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a three or four fair enough. I don't disagree with that at all times.
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That's where sin is. Yeah, it doesn't take much of a flick
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of a switch for something bad to happen. That's the reality of the world
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that we live in. I think right now we're probably up more to six
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and six with the arrow pointing out of an arrow, Yeah, it's unfortunate,
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and I think unless enough people start speaking out. And I really appreciate
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your time today to talk about this. It's important to us, it's important
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to us as a state and as a country. It's important to the world
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that we stamp out hate wherever it is. And it's you know, particularly
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during this holiday season, and if you're listening, Merry Christmas. And I
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hope I didn't put too much of a downer into your view, but it's
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reality. It's where we are and we've got to do something about it.
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Thanks so much for the time. Great to be here. Thank you.
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Doctor Ed Moore with us more history and yes, it will be coming to
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