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What Horses Reveal When We Stop Performing with Chloe Elgar | Episode 59 · The Touch of a Mustang

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  I think that is also another aspect of being in partnership
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  with horses is that deep invitation to be more in
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  connection with nature and to to be in more presence with our own
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  nature. They're always going to show us
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  what's true. Stevie's a good example of this.
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  I won't know that I'm tired and maybe feeling a little bit spicy
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  until she checks me, whether she nibbles me on the side or slows
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  down the process and then you're OK.
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  I'm actually not feeling good right now.
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  I always say horses are like tuning forks.
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  They're going to show you what's out of alignment and then help
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  to bring it back into alignment. You're willing to meet them
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  there? There are healers on this planet
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  with the power to soften the suffering of mankind if they
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  have remained in the recesses of the world, abused, discarded and
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  labeled as trash. This is the touch of a Mustang.
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  I am your host, Shalise. Clough and I'm here.
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  To tell the story of wild horses, Mustangs and the humans
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  who are discovering and sharing their gifts while working to
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  protect their well-being and preserve their spirit so this
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  divine power won't be lost. Join us on this quest with the
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  Wild Mustang. Chloe, thanks so much for being
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  here at the podcast today. Yes, thank you for having me.
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  It's nice to connect and meet you.
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  I'm excited to learn more about what you do and the horses that
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  you have in your life. To start with, can you give us a
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  brief rundown for anyone who doesn't know you, isn't familiar
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  with you? Sure.
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  Yeah. And I love, I just noticed that
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  we both have like sort of the corners of our art are just like
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  horses, Yeah. I just actually redecorated
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  because this is what you see in the podcast.
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  I mean, this is it's from the Calgary Stampede.
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  I was born in Calgary in Alberta.
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  And I mean, yeah, it is sort of relevant to to my story because
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  I was born actually during the Calgary Stampede, which is a
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  very big rodeo in, in Canada. I was born obsessed with horses.
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  Like, you know, like many horse girls.
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  It's like out of the wood, like horses.
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  And I in Calgary, horses, like it's a very big cow towns.
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  There's basically horses everywhere and you're in the
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  Rocky Mountains. So I had this like very strong
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  influx of horse energy when I was born and grew up.
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  But we moved to Malaysia when I was 5 because of my dad's work.
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  And it was interesting because like I kind of had, you know,
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  this contrast because in Canada I got really exposed to a more
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  kind of natural relationship with horses.
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  We had friends who had like big acreages and their horses were
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  just like very happy and, you know, would run free and like
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  have all this space and live in herds.
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  And then moving to Malaysia, it was very different.
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  You, it was basically you're either doing equestrian, riding
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  your horses and stables and they're all in little stalls or
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  you're not hanging out with horses.
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  So that was kind of my exposure as a kid and that we would go
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  back to Canada every summer and I would spend time.
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  We ended up buying a property in the foothills of of Alberta when
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  I was 12 and I got my childhood horse, adopted him from a kill
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  pen auction. And like my, it was just like
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  the best experience a a person could have with horses.
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  Like I would just spend all day out in the field with him, jump
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  on his back bareback, go riding in the Rockies, like he was just
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  my everything. And then I would like leave
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  Canada, going back to Malaysia, like kicking and screaming
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  because I felt very contracted and restricted there.
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  But yeah. So I live in Austin, TX now with
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  our herd of five. I'm a psychic medium.
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  I worked as a psychic medium since I in my 20s and always
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  worked with humans for a long, a large portion of that time, like
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  specifically. But animals have always been
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  like front and Center for me. They've always been like the
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  most important beings in my life and my greatest teachers.
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  Like every initiation or growth, big growth moment in my life has
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  been led by animals, whether it's like an animal entering my
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  life or an animal transitioning. And so my dream was always to
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  live as an adult, live on land with horses.
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  And I never really had a specific agenda or vision of
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  what that was going to look like or what we were going to do.
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  I just knew that I needed to be with horses.
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  And it was interesting because in my, for like 10 years or so,
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  I sort of like, I felt like I would always try to get there
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  and then life would be like, no, it's not time yet.
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  Or I would get like rerouted or detoured.
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  And it was very hard because there would, there would always
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  be that part of me that would be like, is this ever going to
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  happen? Like maybe this is not going to
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  happen. Like maybe I'm just like, you
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  know, this is just like a crazy dream that will never come true.
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  So when we bought this property in 20/20/2023, it was really
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  like a huge metamorphosis transformative experience for
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  me. And then bringing our horses or
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  really just like watching them show up kind of and the herd
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  being built. And so now what we do here is
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  what I call horse medicine. So really retreats and
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  experiences where people come and stay with us or come and do
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  like an immersive day experience where we're really just being
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  with horses. And it's kind of a blend where,
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  you know, I will teach and guide and like just talk about horse
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  language and herd behavior and learning how to safely share
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  space with horses and what it looks like for horses to be
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  sovereign. I don't ride any of the horses
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  that we currently have. It's just intuitively not felt
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  right anymore. And like, for me, the most
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  important thing is that my horses feel like safe and heard
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  and seen and just being able to be horses.
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  And they're all rescues. So they've definitely come from
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  a life, previous life that wasn't that.
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  So yeah, we kind of do a blend of like animal communication,
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  healing with horses, just working with the herd, observing
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  the herd. And, you know, I kind of bring
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  in psychic medium stuff like readings and whatnot.
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  But yeah, it's a it's a good time.
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  Your videos from Instagram look so peaceful, just so really
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  beautiful, like having a little bit of time or life with the
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  horses in the way that you do. And I love the setup that you
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  have because when I first moved here, I thought because we moved
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  to the mountains like five years ago from, you know, big change,
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  I thought, oh, we're going to have these nice pastures.
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  And like, we ran out of money on the House because it was during
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  COVID, so that the horses just have a big enclosure on all our
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  property and they're just right around the house.
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  And I absolutely love it. Now I'm like, oh, I, this is so
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  much better. And I didn't even know to do it
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  this way, but yeah. So I love that your videos look
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  really peaceful. Tell us a little bit about that
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  journey from even like into working as a psychic medium into
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  changing that down the horses. Obviously horses were a big part
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  of your life that you always want to get back to, So what was
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  that journey getting from there to there?
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  Yeah, that it was I'm a I've got a lot of fire in my chart, so
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  change tends to be like fast and furious and intense.
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  Like, you know, I feel like people always say how someone is
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  born is quite representative of maybe who they are.
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  And I like was born before the doctor came and like almost came
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  out when my mom was like going pee so like no one was ready for
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  me, you know, So yeah, that's kind of how I roll.
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  So when we moved to this property and we adopted our
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  first, well, we basically adopted my first horses as in
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  Stevie from Sweet Mercy. I don't know if you know them.
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  They're rescue here and. I've heard of them.
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  Yeah, so I would always like donate and support to, to Sweet
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  Mercy and all seated in the barn were the ones that I was really
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  drawn to back in 2022, 2021-2022.
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  And so I knew that like I, my, my feeling was that I would
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  always, I would adopt from Mariah.
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  I just loved her energy. And I could feel that she was
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  also very intuitive with how she chose the horses or how, you
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  know, when she would go to the Bowie auction every month.
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  And so it's kind of funny because I had been donating to
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  her regularly, so she knew who I was and we were looking for
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  properties, but we hadn't found 1 yet.
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  And so I just, you know, felt called to message her one day as
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  I was dreaming up my vision. And I was like, hey, you just
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  planting a seed, Like we're, you know, hoping to find land and
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  close on it within this year. And I would love to adopt two
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  horses from you. And I sort of just told her a
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  little bit about myself and what I what I envisioned, and she
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  sent me a picture of Raz. It's like she basically just
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  like immediately sent me a picture.
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  Of Raz. She's like, I already have him,
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  he's here for you. Have your horse like he's he's.
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  I'm very specific about who we would go to.
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  He's very sensitive and as soon as I saw his I was like shit.
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  All those pictures, yeah. So I went to meet him and we
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  ended up putting him in because he was at the time in a paddock
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  with two pony like mini, mini ponies and like no shade, love
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  them, but I just knew that they weren't supposed to be a part of
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  the my vision. And so and he was just kind of
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  like paired with them for a couple weeks.
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  And so I was like, well, you know, can we see who else you
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  have? And I so I grew up with
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  Arabians, like Arabians are really popular and and stuff.
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  And so they had just gotten Stevie from and the buoy auction
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  like 2 weeks prior and she was, yeah, like maybe 2, still very
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  small and young, but she had a fracture in her hind and an
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  infection. So they were, it wasn't ready to
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  be adopted yet, but they were like still treating her and
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  hoping for the best. But I was just, I was like, I
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  feel drawn to her. So once she got better, we tried
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  her and Raziel out together and they were like immediately like
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  lovers. Very sweet.
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  So as the story goes, like I got the horses before I got the
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  land, which I feel like can happen because the horse, yeah.
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  Like horses are live on horse time.
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  And and for them, often times, I feel, you know, they don't
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  perceive timelines in the same way that humans do.
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  And often times, like, even in the process where I knew that
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  they were going to be mine, but we still hadn't closed on the
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  property. And you know, with buying
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  property, there can always be obstacles and like hiccups.
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  And there were moments where I was like in a lot of self doubt,
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  like, is this actually going to happen?
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  And I would like connect with them.
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  And they were just like, hurry up.
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  Like, you know. We're ready.
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  We're waiting. Yeah.
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  So what, as soon as they arrived and I arrived, I still kind of
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  was working in the psychic medium space, but I could feel
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  that it was going to change. I had done training in horse
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  medicine, leadership and a bunch of things behind the scenes, but
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  it wasn't. It was when my third horse
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  dreamer arrived and he's a Medicine Hat really a magical
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  like deep horse, deeply sensitive horse.
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  When he arrived, it was like he just like press.
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  The acceleration is what it felt like like as soon as he got
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  here. It was like, you know, it's like
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  when you really have no choice. Like all of a sudden all my work
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  like clients kind of completed things or you know, bookings
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  would stop. It's like these are just like
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  this is done and you're moving into this wave.
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  So it was like I felt supported. But I also, you know, horses
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  aren't cheap buying properties. Yeah.
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  So there was definitely like I remember specifically because
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  Tuesdays were always my busiest day for bookings and stuff.
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  And I remember I had this Tuesday where I, I had nothing.
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  I remember I just was like, had a moment of panic where I really
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  had to like, go sit outside with the horses and be like, what's
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  happening here, guys? Like, yeah, I need some, I need
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  some help because this is like a little bit scary.
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  But yeah, I feel like that day was like the precipice of my
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  fear. And then I just stepped into
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  trusting. And, and then things really
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  unfolded like quite beautifully in terms of the way that stuff
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  started to kind of pour in. So.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it is neat how things
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  happen. Maybe not how we would have
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  planned it, but when you look back you're it kind of makes
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  sense. Yeah, you see the beauty later.
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  Yeah, the way it all aligns, of course.
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  So talk to us about your herd and kind of how you you said you
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  don't really ride them anymore and they some of the things that
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  they're doing and things you're learning from them or
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  experiences you've had with them.
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  Yeah, so there are such a like dynamic collection of beings.
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  Like whenever people come here, they always notice that they're
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  each so unique, which is, which is just fun, you know, because
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  especially with what I do, they each bring something so
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  different to the, the space, whether, whether it's like their
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  story, what they look like, but also, you know, who they are,
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  their personality, their their medicine is what I call it.
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  And with horses, like the medicine is sort of, you know, I
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  always, I love the phrase your story is your medicine.
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  It's like when we take something thing that, you know, when we
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  take the entirety of of our story and what we've
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  experienced, good and bad, hard and easy, painful and joyful,
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  and we sort of allow that to then become something that is in
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  service, right? And because I it's like when we
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  hear someone else's story or we see ourselves in someone else,
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  right? And horses are such natural
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  mirrors and reflectors because they are so present and so
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  attuned to the space, but also so big, right and so expressive
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  and responsive. So we have so Raz and CV were
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  the first to come. And I mean Raziel, he's just a,
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  he's a stunning, like very striking horse.
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  He's very powerful. He's like a Pinto.
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  He has like really unique markings though, where I call
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  him kind of like I was joke around and gives call him the
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  international man of mystery and like a British voice because he
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  kind of reminds me a little bit of James Bond because he's very,
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  you know, people are always like very drawn to him.
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  And he does like he's not a stallion, but he kind of feels
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  like a stallion. But he's also he's so he's so
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  deeply sensed. I mean, they're all so
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  sensitive, but he's definitely like an empath.
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  And he's one who will oftentimes, if someone's like,
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  if someone comes and is navigating fear or anxiety,
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  he'll just step right, like really come right up, right,
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  right up to you. And almost like offer his
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  physical presence of like, you can lean on me.
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  I'll support you in this. So yeah, he's like a true gentle
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  giant. What what is that reaction like?
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  If it's people who are anxious and then you have this big
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  magnificent being kind of coming towards you, what is that like?
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  It's interesting because I feel like Raziel immediately
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  immediately disarms because it's like like he really has such a
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  heart filled presence where even though he's this like big horse,
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  it's just like he softened. He just softens you and it's
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  interesting. I had a woman here last week for
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  a retreat and he's in in the paddock with Dreamer, who is
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  different. Dreamers not going to do that.
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  Dreamers sort of like will show you your fear and a bit more
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  edgy and like, you know, he's got like more kind of like a
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  dragon in him. And so Dreamer came up to her
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  and that brought stuff up up. And then Raziel just like step,
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  literally just like ushered himself in, moved dreamer.
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  And then I saw the woman's like her fear kind of came up and
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  then it was just like, and that was like even something that she
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  talked about was like how powerful it was to literally
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  watch that energy move in her body and, and have the two very
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  contrasting experiences. So I feel like he, I, I've yet
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  to see someone not sort of like just totally soften in Raziel's
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  presence. And it is interesting because he
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  is he is a horse who if he doesn't feel safe, then he will
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  be like quite spooky and like kind of get a little like get
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  really big, but also. Active.
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  Yeah, So I feel like he reflects that, You know, he's like, for
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  him, safety is so important. And if he feels safe, which for
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  me is like for Raz, if a person is just there to be there, then
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  he's like, I can do this. But if what's coming in with an
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  agenda or like a plan, then he's like, OK, I'm not doing.
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  Yeah, I'm out. I'm not doing this so but yeah,
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  he's, he's definitely, I always say like he's kind of the one
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  who started the vision, like he was the first horse for this
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  herd. So he I always feel like he's
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  kind of the visionary for for what this what our life is.
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  And even I, I felt him kind of bring some of the horses in.
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  So I and I, I feel like he's like, my feeling with Raziel is
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  that he 100% incarnated in this lifetime to be, to do this, to
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  be a horse, not like, to really not be ridden, to not have to do
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  the song and dance with humans in that way.
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  Like, I feel like he's so deeply passionate about just being in a
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  space of connection and like receptivity with with humans.
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  And he love, he loves humans, which is really sweet.
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  Like, he'll definitely be the one who's, like, comes up to
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  connect if someone's in that space in that way.
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  So yeah. Is this kind of the vision that
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  you had when you thought about, you know, yourself grown with
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  horses and land, or is that something that evolved as you
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  just learned and experienced with the horses?
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  I feel like it's, it's always so hard because I to go back, you
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  know, because I feel like we were there.
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  We remember through a different lens, I feel, and I was actually
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  writing about this. I was thinking about this last
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  night because it's not that I'm I'm not against riding at all.
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  You know, I think that and I certainly loved riding when I
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  was younger, but it was definitely like when I really
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  feel back to and sort of try to find the truth in it.
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  When I really, the times where I loved riding was when I was at
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  our property in Alberta, when I could really like me and my
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  horse had such a deep relationship and I could just
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  like go and hang out with him in, in the, you know, a huge
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  acreage and lie on the ground or just like even just connect to
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  him from afar or swim with him in the in the lake with just
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  like a lead rope around his neck.
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  So for me, but like in any experience that I had where I
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  was riding where I didn't feel that sense of like freedom and
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  truth, where maybe there was like a little bit of ego or
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  performance or restriction or contraction, then it didn't, it
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  really didn't feel good. So I think that I couldn't, I
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  didn't know exactly what the dream was, but I know that when
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  I would when I was younger with my horse, I would like that was
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  all I wanted. That was like the only
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  experience that I just wanted to continue having all the time.
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  And I am super, super grateful that I got to have that type of
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  foundational experience with horses because I do feel like it
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  really anchored that into my energy system to know the
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  difference. You know, Like I think about if
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  I had only had those experiences in Malaysia, I would know that
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  it didn't feel great, but I wouldn't have anything to
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  reference it to or relate it to. And so when I was, so I was, I
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  moved to Canada for college and went to university in Canada.
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  And I got connected to a woman, Hilary Schneider, who is now a
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  good friend of mine. And she was the first person
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  that I met who was, who was actively living out what I was
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  like, this is what I this is what it is.
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  You know, she teaches horse medicine and like has a, a
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  beautiful property and she is a guardian of about give or take
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  at any given time, like 20 to 30 horses.
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  And the way that her horses live is, is so is like as close to
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  wild horses that I would say as possible.
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  The relation, just the relationship and the way that
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  she lives with them and the way that they are like that was, it
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  was like a really powerful moment for me to be, to be like,
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  OK, this is, this is the vibe. This is, you know, so I think
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  that it's like the vision was there and.
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  And I'm, I'm such a feeling based person.
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  So I think that I felt the dream and the vision, but actually
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  knowing what that looked like and tactically was tangibly was
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  and took some experiences to bring forward.
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  Yeah. So did you end up studying with
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  Hillary? I did, yeah.
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  Yeah. What?
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  Are some of the things that kind of stand out from that period of
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  time? So I ended up so when I met
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  Hillary, I must have been in my mid 20s.
• 20:46
  And so I, I went and spent like a good port because I was living
• 20:50
  in Vancouver and she's like interior BC.
• 20:53
  So it was like a six hour drive. So I would go and spend time
• 20:55
  with her and her herd again, with no intention of like doing
• 21:00
  that or having my own herd at that point, but really just like
• 21:03
  knowing that I needed to be immersed in it.
• 21:05
  And then we kind of got like disconnected and, you know,
• 21:09
  life, life took me other places. Life happened.
• 21:12
  And then I actually reconnected with her when we bought this
• 21:15
  property. And then I ended up doing her a
• 21:19
  horse medicine leadership program.
• 21:20
  And for me with the with her program, it was like, I mean, it
• 21:24
  was like a coming home. Like everything that was she
• 21:27
  taught and that I experienced, it was not like new.
• 21:32
  It was like it was just kind of like permission and confirmation
• 21:35
  of the things that I was sensing and feeling.
• 21:38
  But I mean, the pieces that I love about what Hillary teaches
• 21:42
  is really the horses come first and like, and this is definitely
• 21:48
  something that I'm that's really important for me as well.
• 21:51
  I'm a cancer. So I'm like very protective.
• 21:53
  So it's like my horses, they the fact them having full agency and
• 21:58
  choice in terms of how they interact with people.
• 22:00
  If people are coming into their space, like really establishing
• 22:04
  safety, what safety looks like, what safety feels like for the
• 22:07
  human, but also very much for the horses, especially because
• 22:11
  like when we come to horses for anything, right, the horses
• 22:15
  being able to be safe, safe in their own home, like it's their,
• 22:18
  it's their home, it's their space.
• 22:20
  And so when we come into a horse of space with stuff, especially
• 22:23
  if we're not even fully aware of what that is, they're already
• 22:26
  picking up on that. They're already feeling it.
• 22:28
  So for me, like the foundation of getting really clear in our
• 22:32
  bodies, establishing safety, learning about how to safely be
• 22:36
  with horses and honor and respect them is like
• 22:39
  fundamental. And I loved that Hillary really,
• 22:42
  really like, that's like a very important part of what she
• 22:46
  teaches, I'd say. Yeah.
• 22:48
  And it's like, you're not like, you're not looking for these
• 22:51
  like massive moments, which I, I always don't, I'm not a big fan
• 22:56
  of in the healing spaces. You know, when people are
• 22:58
  looking for like big cathartic moments and attic experiences,
• 23:02
  it's really like the softer, more subtle, more quiet
• 23:06
  experiences that happen when we can like attune to the space
• 23:10
  with horses. Because you know, horses can
• 23:12
  have like, of course they can have big moments, but like so
• 23:16
  much the time when you spend like a long time period of time
• 23:20
  with horses just in observation, it's a lot of the time it's
• 23:23
  quiet. It's like non verbal, you know,
• 23:26
  like you'll just see horses standing together, right?
• 23:29
  And it's like there's a lot that's happening, but they're,
• 23:32
  they look like they're just sleeping or something.
• 23:35
  Yeah. So in your experience, have you
• 23:37
  found that it's more of a process, or that it can be an
• 23:40
  instantaneous thing, or some of both?
• 23:44
  Yes, my. Feeling.
• 23:46
  Goes yeah, I always say to people that you really like.
• 23:50
  So because to me, horses are multi dimensional beings, you
• 23:55
  know, so like you when you're in when you're with horses is just
• 23:58
  one horse, but like in a herd that like amplifies times,
• 24:02
  right. But to me the experience with
• 24:04
  horses is such a multi sensory experience.
• 24:08
  So oftentimes in the moment, you're really just having like
• 24:12
  the potentially the physical experience experience where
• 24:15
  maybe you notice a feeling or you see something or you hear
• 24:19
  something or you know what I mean.
• 24:21
  And it's often times like to me after where you start to process
• 24:26
  actually what was shared in the space or what moved or what you
• 24:31
  saw, what you felt, what you heard.
• 24:34
  So I feel like and I, and to me with horses, they're, they're in
• 24:38
  the present moment, but they also don't live in time and
• 24:42
  space in the same way that we do.
• 24:43
  So oftentimes I feel like the work, like the, the transference
• 24:47
  with horses will continue sometimes for days, weeks,
• 24:50
  months, years, you know what I mean?
• 24:52
  Where you're like, that horse is like staying with me like.
• 24:55
  Going back to that moment and taking my things away from it.
• 24:59
  Yeah, so I feel like it's both. And like I think that sometimes
• 25:03
  people, you know, and I'm, I'm such a big, big supporter of
• 25:07
  like allowing things to, to allowing things to take time.
• 25:12
  And so you may have an experience where you're with
• 25:15
  horses and you're like, nothing happened.
• 25:17
  And I'm like, OK, you know, we'll we'll leave it there for a
• 25:21
  little bit and we'll see what happens.
• 25:23
  And, you know, I have a lot of background in that because even
• 25:27
  in psychic work, sometimes someone does a reading and, and
• 25:31
  it's like nothing came through or like, I didn't really get
• 25:34
  anything from that or whatever. And it's like later on stuff,
• 25:37
  it's like, you know, sometimes I'll hear from people years
• 25:40
  later, like, oh, that thing that you heard that really didn't
• 25:43
  make sense. Like yeah, it makes sense.
• 25:45
  Now it does. Yeah.
• 25:46
  Interesting. I feel like horses are the same
• 25:48
  because, yeah, when, when we're not looking for proof of
• 25:53
  something, then we went, then we can open to like really allow
• 25:56
  what's supposed to happen or what or what we need to have in
• 26:00
  that moment. So yeah.
• 26:01
  Yeah. Tell us if you want to a little
• 26:04
  bit about how did you get into psychic medium work.
• 26:07
  Is that something that was like you grew up that was normal to
• 26:11
  you? Is it something that kind of
• 26:12
  developed over time? So I was, I think that we're
• 26:17
  becoming more and more we're understanding so much more about
• 26:23
  like human emotions and human psyche and developmental stuff,
• 26:27
  You know, like we're really like so much is starting to come come
• 26:31
  up. That makes a lot of sense.
• 26:32
  But I was definitely a very, very sensitive child.
• 26:37
  And I was very aware of a lot of what was going on.
• 26:42
  Some of it was hyper vigilance because I didn't feel very safe,
• 26:46
  like, you know, beautiful, lovely life, family.
• 26:49
  But my parents argued a shit ton.
• 26:53
  And sometimes it was like, extremely emotionally chaotic
• 26:55
  and we, you know, moving. And my mom didn't really feel
• 26:58
  safe. And I just perceived a lot of
• 27:00
  that. Having.
• 27:01
  Kids like I'm not safe, Yeah. And I was always, it was very
• 27:05
  empathic, sensitive, psychic child.
• 27:08
  So I would sort of pick up on stuff.
• 27:10
  And then, you know, a result of that, which I find happens a
• 27:14
  lot, is that I had a lot of night terrors and sleepwalking,
• 27:19
  sleep talking like really like a not a relaxed system.
• 27:24
  Really unsettled, yeah. Yeah, so I saw a lot like I
• 27:29
  would see spirits and, and had a lot of spirits talking to me and
• 27:33
  there were a lot, I mean in Malaysia especially, there's a
• 27:35
  lot of spirit, spirit activity. There's, you know, a lot of
• 27:39
  reasons why that could be. But this is just like a
• 27:42
  disrupted, disrupted field. So there's a lot of sort of like
• 27:46
  activity that would happen. And so I was really aware of all
• 27:49
  that, which was kind of present from like my dad would always
• 27:54
  talk that like I would sit with my dad and have these like just
• 27:57
  tell him all sorts of create like wild stories about certain
• 28:01
  things. And you know, like my mom had
• 28:04
  family that she didn't know about that no one had ever
• 28:07
  talked about. And I would tell, I'd like told
• 28:10
  her all this stuff about them that like that lived in
• 28:12
  Australia and, and she didn't know about that until like 20
• 28:15
  years later. So there, you know, it's kind of
• 28:16
  like a mixture of like that hyper vigilance of a disrupted
• 28:20
  system with actually like really tuned in kind of abilities.
• 28:25
  But it was very intense for me, obviously.
• 28:28
  And so I ended up like, the way that I understand it is that I
• 28:32
  actually developed eating disorders was in my like very
• 28:36
  early teens and it was pretty, really quite severe.
• 28:40
  So I, you know, it was like pretty bulimic and anorexic for
• 28:44
  about 10 years. And to me it makes total sense
• 28:47
  because eating disorders is like you're trying to control what
• 28:50
  you feel. And so that was like the best
• 28:54
  way for me to like shut it all down so.
• 28:56
  Yeah, the one place in all that chaos that there was order,
• 28:59
  probably the total. Order total, total and obsessive
• 29:03
  control and like, yeah, controlling your body, right.
• 29:05
  And so that was really very present for me until my early,
• 29:10
  when I moved to Vancouver. And then I ended up studying
• 29:13
  holistic nutrition through like a very synchronistic way.
• 29:17
  Like I was exploring, I did my undergrad in psychology and then
• 29:21
  I was kind of like figuring out what to do next.
• 29:22
  And I was working at Whole Foods.
• 29:24
  And there was a woman that I was really good friends with and she
• 29:27
  was like, and she was like, you know, I feel like you would
• 29:29
  really enjoy this program that I'm doing.
• 29:31
  And she was studying holistic nutrition.
• 29:32
  And so I went and like met the school director and like the
• 29:37
  program was starting in like 3 days or something.
• 29:40
  And I already know I told you, like things happen quickly with
• 29:44
  me. It's like.
• 29:45
  Thing so keeping the pattern going.
• 29:47
  Yeah. So, yeah, I just like had a
• 29:50
  meeting with this their director of the school and it was like, I
• 29:53
  think we were we had a previous lifetime together because we it
• 29:57
  was like we were like, come on, like we know each other.
• 30:00
  Like this is very familiar. And so I just I signed up there
• 30:04
  on the spot for the two year program.
• 30:05
  And then and that really made a huge like totally change the
• 30:09
  trajectory for me because that really allowed me to heal, like
• 30:12
  really heal the the nutrition, the food side and start to
• 30:16
  rewire my brain and around. Yeah.
• 30:19
  So kind of through that, it's actually, it's kind of funny to
• 30:24
  watch the journey. But I ended up moving to Dubai
• 30:28
  for a while and was working for a juice company as their head
• 30:32
  nutritionist. And I had a lot of high profile
• 30:35
  clients and I would be sitting with them, talking to them about
• 30:39
  their, because The thing is that like emotional stuff is so
• 30:42
  connected to nutrition, right? And like health and Wellness.
• 30:45
  And so I would be like talking to them about their nutrition,
• 30:48
  but then I would like know a lot of other things about them.
• 30:51
  And because the, and you know, for me, as my eating disorder
• 30:55
  started to really leave, like that energy left, it was like
• 30:59
  everything kind of started coming back in.
• 31:02
  I would be like, I would just know things that I really should
• 31:05
  not know about these people. And so I started to kind of like
• 31:08
  just unknowingly develop that muscle again and then moved back
• 31:15
  to Vancouver and again, like synchronistic events, ended up
• 31:19
  connecting with a Doctor Who ended up who was a intuitive and
• 31:23
  taught intuitive intuition. And so then I kind of started to
• 31:27
  like go on the journey of training in psychic work and
• 31:32
  doing all those things and mediumship training.
• 31:34
  And so then I worked in that and then I followed that trajectory.
• 31:37
  For a decade. And then how does that now merge
• 31:40
  with what you're doing with horses, if it does at all?
• 31:43
  Yeah, I mean, I, the way that I, it all kind of works now is
• 31:47
  that, you know, I've, I, I feel like I use, I say that I'm a
• 31:50
  psychic medium because that's like the easiest, that's the
• 31:53
  easiest way to kind of describe what I do.
• 31:55
  People understand that. But it really is.
• 31:57
  It's just so integrated to into who I am now that it's all, it's
• 32:02
  like all, it's just it's me, you know?
• 32:05
  So we'll come and work with me. They're not just working with
• 32:08
  the horses, they're working with my energy field.
• 32:11
  I don't pop in and out of the hats or the rolls.
• 32:15
  They're just all. So if something, if it's a space
• 32:19
  of permission and safety, then I I'll just share things as they
• 32:23
  come. I think this is like a thing
• 32:24
  that is becoming again, more of a thing that's just like, it's
• 32:27
  just who I am. And I feel like it's kind of
• 32:29
  like our journey of life is like becoming who we are, right?
• 32:33
  And so sort of go through these different experiences and we're
• 32:36
  like, bring this thing in and we bring this thing in and then we
• 32:39
  become that. And then but it really it's like
• 32:41
  we're just kind of like peeling the layers to get to that most
• 32:46
  true point of who we are, which to me is the same as my horses.
• 32:51
  Like who they've, who they've been, what they've done, where
• 32:54
  they've lived, who's owned them. Like my journey with them is
• 32:57
  like, I just want you to be you. And like, whatever that looks
• 33:01
  like. Maybe right now we're working
• 33:03
  with a layer of trauma that's connected to your past and
• 33:07
  that's actually part of your medicine right now.
• 33:09
  But like my biggest intention is always just like, I just want
• 33:12
  you to be you, whoever you are. And it is so interesting because
• 33:16
  we really like to compartmentalize in our world.
• 33:19
  You know, we like to put labels on everything including like our
• 33:22
  own identity. And so that is a really
• 33:24
  interesting piece to be. And horses too, you know, we put
• 33:27
  all those labels on horses. So that is really interesting
• 33:31
  and good to like take in that holistic view to take in that
• 33:35
  whole view of us and use all the pieces not feel like we have to
• 33:39
  only have this piece at this time and this piece, this
• 33:42
  environment. So let's talk more about the
• 33:44
  horses and just kind of the some of the things you've some of the
• 33:48
  notes you made about how that relationship is evolving, living
• 33:52
  with horses, things we can do for them, all that.
• 33:56
  Yeah, I mean, I think that it's such a gift to live with your
• 34:00
  horses, you know, because you really, there's no, there's no
• 34:04
  disconnection. Like you're not really clocking
• 34:07
  in and clocking out. Like they're just always there.
• 34:09
  Like before we hopped on, I was just with them and I'll go out
• 34:13
  and see them right after. So and there's there's a
• 34:16
  challenges to that, right? Because I think when we're
• 34:19
  living with our horses and they're so integrated into our
• 34:22
  lives, then we really do get called out on our shit, you
• 34:28
  know, because, because they are so they're so present, they're
• 34:32
  so attuned. So like, you know, for instance,
• 34:35
  and I, I love that your podcast is called Touch of Mustang.
• 34:39
  The touch of a Mustang. To me, like that's my herd
• 34:41
  because we have 4 domestic horses and then Sahara is our
• 34:45
  Mustang. And so she's like, she's brought
• 34:47
  in this like a touch of a Mustang energy.
• 34:49
  And you know, she's such a potent being because like, and
• 34:56
  part of it is definitely like that Mustang energy where she's
• 35:00
  just a lot more present to what's going on around her.
• 35:03
  You know, that survival part of her brain is more active than
• 35:07
  the others. But like if I'm out of alignment
• 35:10
  or like not super grounded, she'll just, and she has like a
• 35:13
  stare. You can be like far away from
• 35:18
  you, but she'll just like stare and hold it and you'll just be
• 35:22
  like, I know, I know. So yeah.
• 35:26
  And, and it's like it's not, you know, we know with horses, it's
• 35:29
  not judgement, but it's like it's just very clear observation
• 35:33
  where she's. Awareness.
• 35:34
  Yeah, she's just like I'm keeping my space from you for a
• 35:37
  while, you know? Yeah.
• 35:39
  So I feel like if we can really allow ourselves to have that
• 35:44
  intimate relationship with them where we are willing to see what
• 35:47
  they're seeing and not from a place of judgment within
• 35:50
  ourselves, but really just like reflective awareness can be some
• 35:55
  be so powerful because they are they're such expanders.
• 35:58
  You know, like I always think, I think about this even just from
• 36:01
  the perspective of like how much I've grown since we since all of
• 36:07
  these horses arrived. And I've been doing this work.
• 36:09
  Like, it's really quite remarkable when I sit with
• 36:13
  myself and see how much I've grown because yeah, horse
• 36:16
  guardianship is not easy. Like from the multiple ways that
• 36:20
  we can look at it, but I feel like they kind of hold us to the
• 36:25
  vision. Like and that's what I've always
• 36:27
  felt with Raziel is he's just like this word, this is what's
• 36:31
  happening. So and you know, he just holds,
• 36:34
  I always feel like with him in particular, he holds it very
• 36:36
  steady. But that's the thing with each
• 36:38
  of the horses medicine, like they each bring something
• 36:41
  different. You know, like Stevie, my little
• 36:43
  Arabian mayor, she just, she had a really, really bad fence
• 36:47
  accident on December 1st, 1st of last year, just a couple months
• 36:51
  ago where she kicked. She must have double barreled
• 36:55
  into the fence. Being playful got her Heinz
• 36:59
  caught in the top of the fencing, obviously panicked,
• 37:02
  totally, like lacerated her left hand really severely.
• 37:07
  So I came out in the morning to feed them and.
• 37:10
  Yeah, like, full, like panic frozen.
• 37:13
  It's it's been a journey. She was in the hospital, that
• 37:15
  hospital for seven weeks. Yeah.
• 37:18
  So. But you know, she's now finally
• 37:21
  at a place where she can be out in the paddock.
• 37:23
  So she's out in the paddock with everyone right now.
• 37:25
  I'm having a great time. I put a video because, like, we
• 37:29
  were kind of at that point where the, you know, the vet still
• 37:32
  wants her to be stalled and bandage changes all the time and
• 37:36
  stuff. And I'm like, this girl's got to
• 37:39
  move. Like, yeah.
• 37:40
  She's probably going crazy. And she's been so good.
• 37:43
  Like she's just been so good, which is so her.
• 37:46
  She's just an absolute Angel. But I know it's like that, the
• 37:49
  holistic, right? It's that balance.
• 37:51
  Like yes immobilized the leg but for her to heal she has to feel
• 37:55
  good in her. Body, there's a mental,
• 37:57
  emotional aspect also, yeah, for sure.
• 37:59
  I had this moment like 10 days ago where the vet was here and I
• 38:03
  was just like, can I let her out in the and I could just feel
• 38:07
  Stevie was like, she was relaxed on the outside, but inside she
• 38:11
  was like, what this girl, I need to go.
• 38:13
  And it was just crazy because I like, I knew she needed to, I
• 38:16
  knew she needed to like shake it off.
• 38:18
  And so I just was like, Stevie, I trust you, be gentle, don't,
• 38:23
  don't injure yourself and stay away.
• 38:24
  From the fence. Yeah.
• 38:26
  And so for like 10 minutes, she just, like, went wild.
• 38:29
  But it was like, really so beautiful to watch her reclaim
• 38:33
  because it's like she hasn't really been able to shake off
• 38:36
  the trauma of that experience within her in her own body.
• 38:39
  But, you know, I'm sharing this because the way that she kind of
• 38:43
  teaches me or holds me, like Stevie's confidence or Stevie's
• 38:47
  medicine is all about like confidence and really, really
• 38:50
  deep knowing, like profound knowing she's, you know, young.
• 38:54
  But when you're with her, you're like, you feel like you're
• 38:58
  standing with this cute, very beautiful, sweet kind of
• 39:01
  ballerina Arabian. Yeah, but you're also standing
• 39:05
  with this like mysterious kind of like older, like elder
• 39:09
  samurai sword wielding like, you know, magician dragon or
• 39:14
  something. And you're like, I'm not kind of
• 39:16
  feel like you're both. And whenever I've been like, in
• 39:19
  a place of self doubt or resisting growth, I find that
• 39:24
  she's been the one that kind of like, will come in and sort of
• 39:27
  push me. And so even with this experience
• 39:30
  that's been, you know, hard for all of us, but especially
• 39:33
  Stevie, I feel like she's held me to this place of like, I'm
• 39:37
  going to be OK, this big growth for us and we're going to move
• 39:42
  through it. So yeah, it's like such AI
• 39:45
  always say to people, like living with your horses and
• 39:47
  being in like intimate partnership with them is like
• 39:50
  the greatest gift ever and it's gonna totally challenge you in
• 39:56
  the biggest ways ever as well. Have you found commonalities
• 40:01
  between breeds at all? Just because I also have an
• 40:03
  Arabian and so much of how you're describing Stevie is
• 40:08
  very. Reminiscent of my Arabian, just
• 40:11
  like she will do anything you ask her to.
• 40:14
  She will face anything even if she's like you can see if she's
• 40:18
  terrified inside and she'll still be willing to do it.
• 40:20
  Not like my Mustangs. They're like, heck no, don't
• 40:24
  even try. And so it's really interesting
• 40:27
  to see to kind of like, here's some of what you were saying
• 40:29
  about her because it seems a lot like my Arabian, where it's like
• 40:32
  she's very brave, she's very stoic.
• 40:35
  Yep. And also, you know, has that fun
• 40:38
  fire and kind of. Playful.
• 40:41
  Yeah, and also kind of like an older spirit in a way.
• 40:45
  Yeah. I mean, I think that, you know,
• 40:47
  of course there's the ancestry, there's the ancestral breed
• 40:52
  lines. You know, I always feel like
• 40:54
  with an Arabian specifically, them being like the oldest breed
• 40:59
  that they have, that they carry that like old, old, old wisdom.
• 41:04
  And so it does make sense to me. I think that it is.
• 41:08
  So it's so funny because I feel like it's always, there's
• 41:11
  nuance. And if we get, we can get caught
• 41:13
  up, caught up in there, like, yeah, stereotype, you know?
• 41:16
  So don't make those compartments.
• 41:18
  Yes, yeah. So like when we brought Stevie
• 41:21
  to the vet that morning and the vet and the vet text were like
• 41:25
  gone Arabian like cuz Arabians just stole them or is not.
• 41:30
  I have a bad Rep. But like at the end, the best
• 41:34
  Arabian we've ever met in our lives, she's she isn't, she
• 41:39
  isn't because it's like, and, you know, I think it's like,
• 41:41
  like our ancestry, like the same, you know, with humans and
• 41:45
  like where we come from and what lands we're from.
• 41:47
  But yeah, I mean, definitely like characteristics.
• 41:50
  Like even with Dreamer, he's a Medicine Hat.
• 41:53
  So his markings are the traditional Medicine Hat.
• 41:56
  I have a friend who also has a Medicine Hat.
• 41:58
  And when she met Dreamer, she's like, yeah, it's totally a
• 42:01
  Medicine Hat. Like they are going to take you
• 42:04
  on a journey of spiritual growth whether you're ready for it or
• 42:08
  not. It's like they're take you to
• 42:11
  the edge and Raz is a Tennessee Walker and he definitely has
• 42:15
  similar qualities that I've heard of.
• 42:17
  They're similar and you know, Mustangs too.
• 42:20
  I mean, I'm definitely somewhat new to Mustangs.
• 42:23
  Like Mustangs were not on my radar at all.
• 42:25
  Like I've always been very in awe of them and you know, have
• 42:30
  known for some time about the situation with the wild horse
• 42:34
  BLM and all this. But I think what it was just
• 42:36
  like, I think cuz I didn't, we don't have a huge property.
• 42:39
  We've got like 12 acres For me, I'm like, I need like 5,000,000
• 42:43
  acres for Mustangs. But I didn't Mustang Immersion
• 42:49
  in April of last year with Michelle Peterson.
• 42:53
  Do you? I don't know if you.
• 42:54
  Oh, yeah, yeah. She's a good friend.
• 42:55
  And George, who he lives in his name is just George.
• 43:00
  He's got a last name. He lives in Colorado.
• 43:02
  But he's, yeah, I've seen him. I haven't.
• 43:04
  I don't know him personally. Yeah, lovely, lovely soul.
• 43:07
  Very, very passionate about the Mustangs and protecting them.
• 43:11
  And so he's got a really special herd of Mustangs.
• 43:14
  And so I went and did an immersion with them and like,
• 43:17
  didn't really know why I was going.
• 43:18
  Like love, Michelle was like, yeah, I'll come, but I don't
• 43:22
  tend to do group stuff. So it was a little bit out of
• 43:24
  character for me, but I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna go
• 43:28
  and just follow what feels like. And I had a really beautiful
• 43:30
  experience with just being with such a big herd of Mustangs and
• 43:35
  like being in their frequency because they are so different to
• 43:38
  domestic horses. So I did, I really just like
• 43:41
  felt in awe. Like that was the feeling.
• 43:43
  I'm just like just being with these great spirits.
• 43:46
  Like they just have such a regal Ness about them.
• 43:49
  And there were two horses in particular that really impacted
• 43:52
  me. But one of the horses, she's
• 43:54
  this beautiful, like Sorrel mayor, just like very big
• 43:58
  presence and kind of the lead mayor of that heard her name is
• 44:02
  Khaleesi, perfect name. And she, I, I felt a really big
• 44:06
  connection with her. And she kept coming up to me.
• 44:09
  And I had this moment where I was just sitting on the ground
• 44:11
  and she came up to me and the thought dropped into my mind,
• 44:15
  One of us is coming to you. And I at the time I was sort of
• 44:18
  like, I don't, you know, I was just there again, like, yeah,
• 44:23
  horses like you're having the physical experience and then
• 44:26
  weeks, days, weeks, months later, you're like, what was
• 44:28
  that about actually? So I sort of like left not sure
• 44:32
  what that was. And even after was like, am I
• 44:35
  supposed to adopt Khaleesi? Like, and I even investigated,
• 44:38
  you know, I just asked a little bit.
• 44:40
  But every time I tried to envision her with my herd, I it
• 44:44
  was just a hard no. Like she would totally disrupt
• 44:46
  the peace because she is such a powerful mare and my boys, I
• 44:51
  don't know if they would be done with that.
• 44:53
  So anyways, I let it be totally like let it go.
• 44:57
  And then about maybe a week later, a friend of mine reached
• 45:00
  out shared with me about a Mustang that she would thought
• 45:03
  could be available for adoption and wondering if I would be
• 45:06
  interested. And like, I was like, no, I'm
• 45:09
  not trying to get another see a picture and of Sahara.
• 45:13
  And I just, I was like, I need to know more.
• 45:15
  I need to know more. Yeah.
• 45:17
  So, yeah, it's been so, I mean, she it's been so amazing.
• 45:22
  She came in July. The way just everything about
• 45:25
  her journey and like her coming to join us and the impact that
• 45:29
  she's had on the herd and every single retreat that we've done
• 45:34
  since she's arrived, she has been at the forefront of really
• 45:38
  impacting people because she's so special.
• 45:41
  And the way that she holds herself like her presence, even
• 45:44
  if you don't touch her like, and that's for me, I'm really
• 45:48
  strict. May not be the right word, but
• 45:49
  it might be the right word. I'm really clear with people
• 45:52
  that when it comes to physical touch with horses, they have to
• 45:55
  choose, and especially in this kind of space where you're
• 46:00
  coming into their home and their space.
• 46:02
  Intentional. You're very intentional.
• 46:05
  Yeah, yeah, there we go. And I have like Dreamer is like
• 46:08
  kind of not about touch, like maybe sometimes, but most of the
• 46:12
  time it's just, it's too much for him.
• 46:14
  So often times people won't touch Sahara and they'll just be
• 46:18
  like, you know, I had a woman who's came to visit from
• 46:21
  Australia. She messaged me the other day.
• 46:22
  She was here in August. She was Sahara's first retreat.
• 46:25
  And she's like, I can, I just, I think about that horse daily.
• 46:30
  It's pretty remarkable. And I'm, and I also feel like
• 46:33
  especially, I mean with all horses, I feel like when I'm in
• 46:36
  their presence, I'm just like, thank you for allowing me to, to
• 46:39
  be in your, you know, but with Mustangs in particular, like
• 46:43
  Sahara was born in the wild. She was rounded up when she was
• 46:47
  four or five. So I'm just like mad respect,
• 46:50
  like really have nothing. And that was my biggest thing
• 46:54
  with her because her previous owner who adopted her from, from
• 46:58
  holding, you know, I think good intention, great heart, but like
• 47:02
  not the right person and had a lot of expectation and agenda,
• 47:09
  like the OR the Mustang challenge sort of thing.
• 47:13
  And to me when I'm around, when I'm with Sahara, like she's got
• 47:18
  so much emotional awareness and intelligence.
• 47:21
  And I feel like with humans, if you aren't fully aware of your
• 47:26
  emotions, then for her, she's like, I'm good.
• 47:30
  And not from a place of like rejecting you, but like kind of
• 47:33
  what I said before where she's like, I see what's going on and
• 47:36
  I'm gonna give you your, you know.
• 47:37
  So I feel like with her, it's like truly, there's my biggest
• 47:42
  thing is like, I really just want you to feel like you can
• 47:45
  hunt, be yourself. And it's such an interesting
• 47:48
  thing because she obviously can't be wild anymore.
• 47:52
  So I feel like that in and of itself is such an interesting
• 47:54
  thing to navigate, you know, because that that's like, it's a
• 47:57
  core wound, right? For like every single Mustang,
• 48:00
  like being removed from their homeland, their home herd, going
• 48:04
  through such a traumatic experience, being rounded up or
• 48:08
  chased and then held. It's like to me, when you have a
• 48:11
  Mustang that no matter who they're being after and how
• 48:14
  they're showing up is is incredible.
• 48:16
  And I think that's also a piece that is like such an impactful
• 48:20
  thing about horses is that they go through so much with humans
• 48:24
  often times, and yet they're going to be in relationship is
• 48:28
  so powerful. Yeah, I agree.
• 48:31
  Yeah, it is incredible that they want to be with us, especially
• 48:33
  those horses who have not had good experiences as humans.
• 48:37
  But even any of them, I'm kind of like, why do you want to be
• 48:41
  around me? Like, I love that you do, but
• 48:43
  it's surprising to me still. Yeah, I know it is beautiful.
• 48:48
  You can feel that there is, I mean, to me, it's like there's
• 48:51
  a, there's a divine partnership between horses and humans.
• 48:54
  It's like sacred contract is how I see it.
• 48:57
  And they're they're, they've been willing to go on this
• 49:00
  journey with us. I mean, my feeling is that
• 49:03
  they're leading, they're part of like the a consciousness shift.
• 49:07
  They're actively a part of it. Like you know what I mean in
• 49:10
  terms of how like clink things are visibly changing, whether it
• 49:14
  seems like it's slow or fast or sometimes slow, sometimes fast,
• 49:17
  like things are visibly changing.
• 49:19
  And I think they're a part of that shift to me, even just
• 49:22
  watching a whole, of course, like each of our horses when
• 49:26
  they arrive here, coming from like the sail barn circuit or
• 49:30
  sail barn world to like feeling safe, like that disassociation,
• 49:34
  you know, it's like that whole process is so revealing in terms
• 49:40
  of like how things, how things are starting to shift for them
• 49:43
  as well. Yeah.
• 49:44
  So. Yeah, I think that shift is
• 49:46
  really neat because like when I first got my Mustang, I was the
• 49:49
  owner that your horse had probably feeling so much
• 49:52
  pressure that like you needed to be riding them in 90 days or,
• 49:55
  you know, you need to be out on the trail with them in 90 days
• 49:57
  and just really destructive to the relationship.
• 50:00
  So definitely something that I love is shifting that it's like
• 50:03
  there's people who have horses that don't ride them or that do
• 50:06
  these other things with them or that do, you know, just go and
• 50:09
  sit with them and that those are all things that now it's like
• 50:12
  you can see that. So you don't have to just see
• 50:13
  the horses, you know, that are developing really cool skills.
• 50:17
  Maybe they love it, maybe at their detriment.
• 50:19
  So I love that there is that shift of our relationship with
• 50:22
  horses that it doesn't have to be any one thing.
• 50:25
  It can be kind of what feels good for us, what is working
• 50:28
  well for horses and talk to us a little bit more about work that
• 50:32
  you are doing with the horses and with people.
• 50:35
  What kind of people show up? One from your Instagram that I
• 50:38
  thought was so interesting was that your husband went out there
• 50:41
  and finally kind of connected with the horses, which I was
• 50:43
  like, oh, there's hope. My husbands not a horse person.
• 50:47
  He fits up with him. He came in the other day and was
• 50:49
  bringing some chicken food or something.
• 50:51
  He's like, your horses would not leave me alone.
• 50:54
  We're just over there, like all in his face.
• 50:55
  I'm like, so maybe one day there's hope.
• 50:58
  But yeah, talk to me a little bit more about the work that you
• 51:00
  do with your horses and with other people.
• 51:02
  Yeah, with the with the husband piece to my my fairest, my
• 51:06
  husband like really had no horse experience prior to meeting me.
• 51:11
  And but it's funny, like his name is Arabic and it actually
• 51:16
  means horseman, which is very interesting.
• 51:20
  So I'm like it was written. That sounds like destiny.
• 51:23
  And when we got married on my family ranch in Alberta and we
• 51:28
  had our neighbors, two horses, beautiful, like very, very happy
• 51:32
  Clydesdales that hold the wagon with me.
• 51:36
  And so, yeah, so horses have been around him, but he got
• 51:40
  luckily got to like get it was like trickle because in the
• 51:43
  first chunk of our marriage he just had like small moments
• 51:47
  before he had the full influx of like living with them.
• 51:50
  But you know, I think that like to me with Ferris in particular
• 51:54
  in that experience, like my whole, my whole thing has always
• 51:58
  just been like, you don't have to do anything with them.
• 52:01
  You know, if you're drawn to if you're drawn to something, feel
• 52:04
  free to like let me know. But it's been really sweet
• 52:07
  because of course, like I always I kind of really teach him the
• 52:11
  foundations around state just safely being around them and his
• 52:14
  own, like learning how to be in his own body with that and
• 52:18
  navigating that because because he had no really background with
• 52:21
  horses. Definitely like a little bit of
• 52:23
  normal fear, but that was interesting because it was sort
• 52:27
  of like one day he was just kind of like, hey, can I, can you,
• 52:31
  can I come with you out there? And I was like, oh, sure, let's.
• 52:35
  And it was really so beautiful because it was like the horses
• 52:38
  were kind of waiting for him to come in that way.
• 52:42
  And from that video that that was such a unplanned moment that
• 52:47
  would ended up being very, very deeply impactful for Ferris.
• 52:51
  I think that it's like their own experience that they get to
• 52:55
  whether they're open to it or not, you know?
• 52:57
  Yeah, for sure. I think the piece around horses
• 52:59
  is that like whether we know or not we feel stuff when we're
• 53:05
  around horses and maybe we don't, we're not ready to feel
• 53:09
  what we, you know what I mean? I think that that would be a
• 53:11
  part of it. Like after sure, without knowing
• 53:14
  the language or the verbiage around what is actually
• 53:17
  happening that, you know, now everyone knows like horses,
• 53:20
  heart fields and, you know, coherence and blah, blah, blah
• 53:23
  around all this. But it's always been there.
• 53:25
  We just haven't known what to tell what it is.
• 53:27
  So. But yeah, in terms of what we
• 53:30
  do, like our our biggest thing is that we host retreats so
• 53:34
  people will come and stay on our land.
• 53:36
  We have two cabins in our back pasture and so you'll stay for
• 53:40
  three nights, 3 or we can customize it for longer and
• 53:44
  really like you're just being fully immersed in the space.
• 53:47
  So I really intuitively customize like what we may work
• 53:52
  with. And I always say like, just like
• 53:55
  the horses, I really don't do well with agenda.
• 53:57
  Maybe someone comes with an intention, but really my biggest
• 54:01
  thing that I hold is that we're just going to just show up and
• 54:04
  see what starts to unfold. Because again, like we don't
• 54:08
  need to have the words for it. The energy knows what to do So.
• 54:12
  And I'm a big supporter of like having time within your own
• 54:19
  system, within your own energies, the cabin or start
• 54:21
  sort of like in A located in an area where you're, you're by
• 54:25
  yourself, which is really which I love.
• 54:29
  I would always seek out experiences that like when I was
• 54:32
  younger, I'm a writer and I'm like, you know, I published 2
• 54:36
  books for me, like having total silence and like being 100%
• 54:40
  alone. I'm a manifesto in human design.
• 54:42
  So it's actually like very important for me where it's just
• 54:45
  like you're just immersed in your own energy and you kind of
• 54:47
  get to go on a bit of a journey. So that's really the the design
• 54:52
  of this place. That's kind of hard to find in
• 54:55
  the world today. You know, it's like always so
• 54:57
  around pressing and. Yeah.
• 54:59
  So my thing is like when you come here, you just kind of like
• 55:03
  you're sort of invited, slash, forced to let go of control,
• 55:08
  cook like all of your lunch and dinner and I bring it to your
• 55:10
  cabin. You have everything that you
• 55:12
  need for breakfast, coffee, blah, blah, blah.
• 55:15
  The cabins are so very cute design and very homey and have
• 55:19
  like tarot Oracle cards, books, like all sorts of books.
• 55:22
  So that you're just like really in that space of not being
• 55:25
  distracted and being in the energy of a herd, right?
• 55:29
  Because like the horses are kind of walking around the cabin.
• 55:32
  And then we do 2 sessions a day for about two to three hours
• 55:36
  where we're sometimes it's like we're just working on the
• 55:40
  energy, like within the energy field of the herd.
• 55:42
  Sometimes we're actually going and being in the space with the
• 55:45
  horses and seeing what comes up, who steps forward, what they
• 55:48
  bring forward, mirroring, reflection, like all all of the
• 55:51
  things, you know, we kind of pull from all of the pools of
• 55:55
  knowledge and practice around animal communication, psychic
• 55:59
  work, healing, somatic work, horse medicine, whatever is
• 56:03
  available. And it's it's beautiful because
• 56:06
  I always have people arrive the day before we start because I
• 56:10
  always feel like the integration and just landing is really
• 56:14
  important to just just have that time where you unplug from your
• 56:17
  life. And sometimes it's uncomfortable
• 56:19
  in the beginning, you know, you're kind of like, Oh, yeah,
• 56:21
  yeah. Jittery.
• 56:23
  Coming down, what's the plan today?
• 56:26
  I'm like nothing. You're just.
• 56:27
  This is that you're doing it, Yeah.
• 56:29
  That you can read a book, you can go for a walk, you can sit
• 56:32
  in meditation, you can drink a lot of.
• 56:34
  Coffee, like, just so good to have, yeah.
• 56:37
  Cuz yeah, cuz. It seems like always there's
• 56:40
  something in the world at large. We're supposed to always have an
• 56:43
  agenda. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:45
  So that's kind of like the nutshell.
• 56:47
  And, and we all work together, the horses, myself, my dogs, the
• 56:51
  birds. Sometimes wildlife comes in and
• 56:54
  plays a roles and or the land itself.
• 56:56
  And yeah, it's like I, I call it like a medicine journey.
• 56:59
  Like it's and I I always loved vision quests, like that idea of
• 57:03
  you going out into the wild, not bringing your comforts and, and
• 57:07
  like going on a spiritual journey of being guided or LED
• 57:10
  to for transformation. So it's a little bit of that,
• 57:14
  but maybe not as intense cuz I was.
• 57:16
  Gonna say your stuff sound a lot more comfortable.
• 57:19
  I'm enjoyable to me. Some comfort, see, I'm not just
• 57:23
  putting you in the middle of nowhere with a rattlesnake.
• 57:26
  And then we do, we do other sorts of like, like if you wanna
• 57:29
  just come for the day or you live close and you wanna do like
• 57:32
  a 2 hour session. That's yeah.
• 57:35
  So there's lots of different things.
• 57:36
  But really it's all just like you're working with me, you're
• 57:39
  working with my herd. And there's like some rhyme and
• 57:43
  reason to it. And oftentimes we're just like
• 57:45
  fully in the unknown, diving in and like letting the horses kind
• 57:49
  of guide the way. And I always say to people like,
• 57:51
  it's, I love this because, you know, when I was just working by
• 57:55
  myself, I was still doing that, but it was just me.
• 57:58
  But now I get to hold the space with the horses and like, the
• 58:02
  humility of it is like, I don't know anything and I don't
• 58:05
  pretend to know everything. And so I really pay attention to
• 58:09
  what the horses are showing me. And because I know my horses
• 58:12
  quite well, they, you know, I can kind of infer a lot just
• 58:16
  based off of what they're doing, how they're responding, who's
• 58:19
  showing up, what they're saying or sharing with me.
• 58:21
  It's like they're already kind of giving me a lot of
• 58:23
  information about what is present for this person, where
• 58:27
  is their nervous system at? What are they available for,
• 58:30
  what's going to be too much for them, what might what we be
• 58:32
  going through together. So yeah.
• 58:35
  Yeah. Do you find the people that are
• 58:36
  drawn to your retreats, are they often, are there similarities?
• 58:42
  Are they often going there because they want healing?
• 58:44
  Are they just feeling overwhelmed?
• 58:46
  Are they just curious? It tends to be varied find that
• 58:51
  some people, I mean, yes to everything you just said.
• 58:56
  I think that some people and I, I find it's kind of 5050, like
• 59:01
  some of them are, are horse folks who are interested in just
• 59:06
  having a different experience with horses.
• 59:08
  And then like some of the folks are like, don't have none too
• 59:13
  very little experience with horses, but have always been
• 59:16
  interested, always been drawn to horses.
• 59:18
  And I think that I, I, I do notice that there's a good
• 59:21
  percentage of people who have a similar desire or vision for
• 59:27
  whether it's like home, having a homestead with horses or living
• 59:30
  in harmony with horses or rescuing, adopting rescues and
• 59:35
  just being with them. And so, you know, because I, I
• 59:38
  think that one piece that I've heard time and time again with
• 59:42
  myself, myself, and I think this is kind of like in my human
• 59:44
  design as a manifester, I'm the type of person where I don't
• 59:47
  wait for permission to do things.
• 59:49
  I just do it. I just really follow what feels
• 59:51
  right. And I and I and like kind of
• 59:53
  rebellious, like if someone tries to control me, then I'm
• 59:55
  going to do the other thing. And so one thing that my energy
• 59:59
  field does for people is it kind of does a lot.
• 1:00:01
  It's like I'm an expander where I do offer them permission.
• 1:00:05
  Yeah, they're, they're like, oh, I can do this.
• 1:00:08
  I'm like, yeah, of course you fucking can't.
• 1:00:10
  I'm not saying it's going to be easy.
• 1:00:11
  Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 1:00:13
  It's like. Right.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah. That for me the most like
• 1:00:17
  authenticity has always been super important for me.
• 1:00:20
  I, I really detest performance and like again, it's like horse
• 1:00:24
  people like incongruence. I sense that really quickly and
• 1:00:27
  it sends me in the other direction.
• 1:00:29
  I'm like Sahara. Yeah, I don't want to be around
• 1:00:33
  here right now. You work on that for a little
• 1:00:35
  bit. Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  So I feel like sometimes that's something that people, it's like
• 1:00:41
  when I went to Hillarys, you know, 15 years ago and was like,
• 1:00:45
  this is this is it, This is possible.
• 1:00:48
  And I do notice that more and more people are being drunk on
• 1:00:52
  to a life like this where, you know, it's like it makes me feel
• 1:00:56
  really excited because I think that more people being called to
• 1:01:01
  live with horses. Like if we think about
• 1:01:04
  historically, you know, pre war people MO, a lot of people had
• 1:01:08
  horses, didn't they more for youth, whether it was for
• 1:01:12
  farming or transportation, But that was kind of a normal thing.
• 1:01:17
  Whereas like nowadays it's not very normal to have horses.
• 1:01:19
  Like if you're in a group of folks and you say you have
• 1:01:22
  horses, you're usually, unless you're in a horse community
• 1:01:25
  that's kind of they're like, oh, wow, you have horses.
• 1:01:27
  Like that's so cool. You know?
• 1:01:29
  So I feel like to me, horses like a movement can be or might
• 1:01:34
  be that more and more people buy land and have horses.
• 1:01:38
  And you know, one of my like something that was coming up for
• 1:01:41
  me when I was with Frodo, my horse.
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  I haven't mentioned Frodo. No, we haven't talked about him,
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  Frodo. He just melts me.
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  He's my. He's our oldest.
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  He he was at the Bowie auction as well.
• 1:01:53
  He I always say like, he like entered my heart when I didn't
• 1:01:57
  know that there was no space for him and he was just like.
• 1:02:00
  Came in the. Yeah, because I was, Yeah.
• 1:02:05
  I was really not planning to fall in love with him at all the
• 1:02:09
  way that I did. And he really like he, he
• 1:02:13
  impacts everyone that comes because he's just, he is just
• 1:02:16
  like safety. He just like vibrates safety and
• 1:02:20
  love. Him and Raziel are similar.
• 1:02:22
  They're both like, and they kind of work together, which is
• 1:02:24
  really beautiful. So if Raziel is with someone,
• 1:02:28
  like working with someone, then Frodo will come and hold the
• 1:02:30
  space for him and vice versa. So they definitely have similar
• 1:02:34
  systems. But I would say Frodo is like
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  even you, you, I, I will, will lie in front of Frodo with no
• 1:02:40
  worries like ever. You know, he's just like
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  complete safety. And he was a trail.
• 1:02:47
  What I know was that he was a trail horse.
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  I don't know where I've that's the thing with auctions, like
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  where did they come from? Feel like he came from pretty
• 1:02:55
  far somewhere, maybe on the East Coast.
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  And he had a torn DDFT, pretty severe ring bone, but like
• 1:03:03
  pretty progressive arthritis. And it was like we were, it was
• 1:03:06
  unsure. We were unsure or if he was
• 1:03:09
  going to be OK, you know, not be able to manage.
• 1:03:13
  So he was with sweet mercy for a little bit and you know, they
• 1:03:17
  did injections and and PRP injections and all and all that
• 1:03:21
  and got his and he helped his tendon get better.
• 1:03:23
  But so he's like has a lot of physical pain and discomfort.
• 1:03:29
  He manages that, but he yeah, he's just like a total heart
• 1:03:34
  horse and he gives like all gets very like deep downloads from
• 1:03:39
  him. I always call him like a drive
• 1:03:41
  by shaman. Like you'll be you'll just be
• 1:03:45
  like sitting down with him and then like he'll just like kind
• 1:03:48
  of come and be with you for a minute and like deep breathe and
• 1:03:51
  then walk away and then you'll be like what just happened?
• 1:03:54
  You know what I mean? Like he's like later or
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  something, you know what I mean? He's just like, so I just love
• 1:04:00
  him to death, but he I was sitting with him the other day
• 1:04:04
  and you know, like crying and I just had this big feeling that
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  more people are going to like there's going to be a change in
• 1:04:12
  consciousness and our belief systems about horses, where it's
• 1:04:16
  just going to be normal that you have horses and maybe don't ride
• 1:04:20
  them because it's just like you just get it's like a gift that
• 1:04:24
  you get to have these beings just outside and that they're
• 1:04:28
  there and you like Co create life together and they share
• 1:04:32
  wisdom with you and they help to harmonize the land and they, you
• 1:04:36
  know, like all of these incredible gifts that they have.
• 1:04:38
  And it's not even like a thing, you know, of like, do I ride
• 1:04:42
  them? Do I not?
• 1:04:44
  It's just like it just is. And I feel like that's a that's
• 1:04:49
  something, you know, that I like manifest and vision for the
• 1:04:53
  horse human world, because and again, it's like, no shade on
• 1:04:55
  riding. I think that's some riding
• 1:04:58
  horses is beautiful and I'm very grateful for that experience.
• 1:05:02
  But I think that that's the piece is like, it just doesn't
• 1:05:04
  even come up for me. It's not even like a thing that
• 1:05:06
  I think about. I'm like when people sometimes
• 1:05:09
  like neighbors will go by or like drive by and be like when
• 1:05:12
  you go and ride them horses. Yeah.
• 1:05:15
  And I'm like, you know, it's like it's just an interesting, I
• 1:05:20
  don't know. It's like an interesting
• 1:05:21
  consciousness shift. So.
• 1:05:23
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  And I think it is interesting because in the past, like we
• 1:05:25
  kind of talked about horses were used to like help people live
• 1:05:29
  their lives to get food or to transportation.
• 1:05:32
  And I think now one of the biggest needs in the world is
• 1:05:35
  our emotions and our minds are just so broken right now.
• 1:05:38
  And I've certainly experienced where it's like you go with a
• 1:05:41
  horse and it's not even that they necessarily do anything,
• 1:05:44
  but somehow you figure out like how you can settle your mind and
• 1:05:48
  find those pieces that you need to bring better things into your
• 1:05:51
  life and to find the peace or to make the changes that you need
• 1:05:54
  to make. So I can absolutely see how they
• 1:05:58
  could. I mean, they are so valuable for
• 1:06:00
  that, right? It's just like people don't know
• 1:06:01
  yet. Like I want you to know, I think
• 1:06:03
  that's a big thing. I felt like I wish more people
• 1:06:05
  knew that, you know, just spending time with horses like
• 1:06:09
  you will feel better. US totally, totally.
• 1:06:12
  So many cool, amazing stories. I mean, every every day, yeah,
• 1:06:16
  every day. I feel like I'm so moved by
• 1:06:18
  like, and that's I think it's like living with horses.
• 1:06:22
  It's like there's a repetitiveness to the the
• 1:06:26
  routine, you know, of like, yeah, feed the horses, pick up
• 1:06:30
  the poo, do the things, fill the water, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:06:33
  But there's like it's like constant miracles at the same
• 1:06:37
  time. And I think also the piece that
• 1:06:40
  is, you know, kind of like the beauty, the gift, it's like
• 1:06:45
  even, you know, it's like that the, the idea of like chop wood,
• 1:06:48
  carry water, right? Like horses are very routine
• 1:06:52
  based beings, you know, like in terms of the cycles, like
• 1:06:56
  they're very in tune with nature and they follow this.
• 1:06:58
  And so I feel like when, when we live with horses, we do get
• 1:07:02
  brought into that deeper connection with nature, because
• 1:07:05
  if we're, if we're living with them in a way where we're
• 1:07:08
  actually interacting with them and, and participating in their
• 1:07:11
  care and guardianship. I think it's different if you
• 1:07:14
  just like, they're just out and you not, don't ever really go to
• 1:07:17
  them unless you're going to ask something of them, which is I
• 1:07:21
  think sometimes what some folks with horses that have like a
• 1:07:23
  huge property and they just, they're on grass, they have pond
• 1:07:26
  for water, That's it. We just go and get them to ride
• 1:07:28
  or to, you know, for the ferry or for the vet.
• 1:07:31
  So I think that like that is also another aspect of being in
• 1:07:36
  partnership with horses is like that deep invitation to be more
• 1:07:40
  in connection with nature and to to be in more presence with our
• 1:07:45
  own nature. You know, and that's like, it is
• 1:07:47
  that piece because like you just said, it's like they're always
• 1:07:51
  going to show us what's true, Whether it's like, I'm actually,
• 1:07:55
  you know, like maybe Steve is a good example of this.
• 1:07:58
  Like all I won't know that I'm tired and maybe feeling a little
• 1:08:03
  bit spicy until she like checks me, whether she like nibbles me
• 1:08:07
  on the side or like, you know, slows down the process.
• 1:08:10
  And then OK, I'm actually not feeling good right now.
• 1:08:14
  You know, so I feel like they're it's like I always say, like
• 1:08:18
  horses are like tuning forks, like they're going to they are,
• 1:08:20
  they're going to show you what's out of alignment and then like
• 1:08:23
  help to bring it back into alignment.
• 1:08:25
  If you're willing to meet them there.
• 1:08:29
  But yeah, we've had it where our horses are right outside our
• 1:08:32
  front door. So it's like you're just,
• 1:08:34
  they're just there. I mean, yeah, it was wild.
• 1:08:38
  How before I really started, before we started the retreats,
• 1:08:43
  Frodo used to just be by himself.
• 1:08:45
  So he was in like the house paddock.
• 1:08:47
  And if I was ever in here doing sessions, I would start to hear
• 1:08:51
  like, stomping and I'd look out through the window.
• 1:08:54
  And Frodo has positioned himself like parallel to the wall.
• 1:08:57
  Only when I'm doing sessions, like reading things.
• 1:08:59
  And he's like, I'm holding the energy.
• 1:09:02
  I'm here with you. You know, I was like talking to
• 1:09:05
  a friend. You go away.
• 1:09:07
  But it's like if I was in a reading or a session and I feel
• 1:09:10
  like he's like, bring it outside.
• 1:09:12
  I'm right here. Come on, you're making this
• 1:09:14
  harder than it needs to be. He's like, if I could be in the
• 1:09:17
  house, I would, you know? So yeah, it's, it's just, it's
• 1:09:20
  so mad. It's like, and I think that that
• 1:09:22
  for me is like doing this, living this life and and doing
• 1:09:26
  this in this way is like really about reconnecting to that inner
• 1:09:29
  child because. Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  And it's funny how sometimes I feel more, more my younger self
• 1:09:36
  now than ever before because I really am living the way that I
• 1:09:40
  I wanted to. And like, sometimes experiences
• 1:09:44
  of. But then we'll get pulled from
• 1:09:46
  it. Yeah.
• 1:09:46
  This is like this is it. This is that inner child dream.
• 1:09:49
  Or just like the horses are right out the door spending all
• 1:09:52
  the day in my paddock. Like, amazing, right?
• 1:09:54
  What we all kind of hope for is to go back to our childhood when
• 1:09:57
  life felt simple and peaceful and yeah, at least those moments
• 1:10:01
  in our childhood, childhood. Not that all childhoods are like
• 1:10:03
  that, but no, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:05
  And just that piece of living with the horses I think is so
• 1:10:08
  interesting 'cause you talked about picking up manure or
• 1:10:10
  whatever. Sometimes those are the places
• 1:10:13
  where I'm like and I just got what I needed, but you know,
• 1:10:16
  while you're cleaning up poo. Yeah, yeah, picking up poo is
• 1:10:20
  one of the most meditative and like expanding experiences.
• 1:10:24
  Yeah, it's yeah. It's really interesting.
• 1:10:27
  Yeah. How many horses do you have?
• 1:10:29
  I'm just curious. I have four OK and then three of
• 1:10:32
  them are Mustangs and then one Arabian.
• 1:10:34
  And where are you? Colorado.
• 1:10:36
  You're in Colorado. OK, Tell.
• 1:10:38
  Everyone where they can find you, how they can take advantage
• 1:10:41
  of the work that you're doing. I love it.
• 1:10:43
  Yeah, so my website is channeled by chloe.com and my Instagram is
• 1:10:48
  channeled by Chloe and our ranch Instagram is 3 Spirit ranch.
• 1:10:52
  I tend to like share on both if it's like stuff to do with
• 1:10:55
  retreats and whatnot. But yeah, I'm I'm a I'm a one
• 1:10:58
  woman show. So like if you message or e-mail
• 1:11:01
  or whatever like you'll, you get access to me, not a robot, which
• 1:11:05
  is. Different.
• 1:11:05
  I know, I know it's. And.
• 1:11:08
  I it's not like that with everybody.
• 1:11:10
  It's so funny. I've like always resisted the
• 1:11:13
  efficiency, you know, like just being inefficient.
• 1:11:15
  It's just like, I'm old. I'm kind of old school.
• 1:11:18
  I'm definitely like an old woman and A and a younger person.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah. Last woman that was here for a
• 1:11:24
  treat, she was like, you're are you an elder?
• 1:11:26
  I'm like, maybe, yeah, that as a child.
• 1:11:29
  But yeah, so and everything that you know, I like, I always will
• 1:11:34
  share videos and stuff like I love, I've always enjoyed
• 1:11:37
  Instagram. I've, if you look at my, I've
• 1:11:39
  got like 8000 posts or something because I've been creating and
• 1:11:43
  posting on there for, you know, 10 plus years.
• 1:11:45
  And I always have loved it because it's a really great
• 1:11:49
  place for me to kind of like download, drop a little piece of
• 1:11:52
  writing. And I do enjoy sharing, you
• 1:11:55
  know, for me, being able to like share little snippets of our
• 1:11:59
  herd and our horses and to know that people like when Stevie had
• 1:12:03
  her accident, it was really like moving to see how many people
• 1:12:09
  like love her. You know, even people have never
• 1:12:12
  met her because her and, you know, they felt her presence
• 1:12:15
  from afar. And like, I know so many people
• 1:12:17
  were like sending prayers and like holding, holding the vision
• 1:12:21
  of her healing and like he's sending Reiki.
• 1:12:23
  It was so beautiful to receive that and to to witness like the
• 1:12:27
  impact, the ripple effect of Stevie to be who she is and
• 1:12:31
  like, share that. So, yeah.
• 1:12:32
  So everything that is on Instagram, so it's written by
• 1:12:35
  me. It's such a stupid thing, but
• 1:12:36
  like, it's kind of a thing nowadays, isn't it?
• 1:12:38
  Yeah, I know it totally is. You can usually tell, but so.
• 1:12:43
  I feel like it's getting harder and harder but.
• 1:12:46
  I, I think it is. I mean, they're trying to get
• 1:12:47
  more sophisticated. It's a weird, sad, interesting.
• 1:12:51
  I don't have to change. Time.
• 1:12:52
  It's an interesting and then I have a shop called Nightwing
• 1:12:57
  Goods where I sell like all sorts of magical mystical goods.
• 1:13:00
  So I create a lot of my own candles.
• 1:13:03
  And so we have like horse medicine candles that are
• 1:13:05
  representative of each horse and apparel and all sorts of fun.
• 1:13:10
  I do like a lot of paintings and channeled horse paintings and
• 1:13:14
  stuff. And I also have my book there.
• 1:13:16
  If you're interested in reading more about my story, like the
• 1:13:19
  4th, I would say like the first half of my stories, my psychic
• 1:13:23
  memoir, and it's called Revealed by Darkness.
• 1:13:26
  So yeah, lots of fun stuff. I always love talking to new
• 1:13:30
  people because I feel like it opens up, it opens up a space
• 1:13:34
  also for new information to come through.
• 1:13:36
  You know, even for myself as I'm speaking, I'm like, yeah, that
• 1:13:39
  like, that makes sense, you know, So it's always fun.
• 1:13:43
  So thank you. It was great talking to you and
• 1:13:45
  I love what you're doing. I especially loved the piece you
• 1:13:48
  talked about how you kind of give people permission to.
• 1:13:52
  Yeah. You know, be themselves or
• 1:13:54
  follow the path that maybe like you can kind of feel inside, but
• 1:13:57
  everyone's like, no, that's crazy.
• 1:13:59
  We definitely took some crazy steps in our life that people
• 1:14:02
  are like, what are you doing? Yes.
• 1:14:04
  And so to open that up for people, I think is incredible
• 1:14:07
  because I'm definitely a semi recovered people pleaser, you
• 1:14:11
  know, trying to like fit in those boxes.
• 1:14:12
  So to have that space where you can kind of be free again.
• 1:14:15
  And you kind of talked about childhood and I think that's a
• 1:14:17
  lot of what child, but is when you're just like outside, you
• 1:14:20
  know, being open to the world and just kind of being there.
• 1:14:24
  And I think we lose so much of that.
• 1:14:26
  And that's really what as you were describing what you offer
• 1:14:28
  people that seem to be like it's a place where you can go and
• 1:14:32
  kind of reconnect with yourself. You know, so much in the world
• 1:14:34
  pulls us away from that or tells us like, no, that part is not
• 1:14:38
  right. So kind of push that asides.
• 1:14:41
  I love that you provide that for people and just an opportunity
• 1:14:44
  for people to see horses and a different way to live with them.
• 1:14:47
  I think that is I have kind of a love hate with social media, you
• 1:14:51
  know, with having kids and stuff.
• 1:14:53
  But I do love that aspect of it that we can see inside other
• 1:14:55
  people's lives. There are other ways to live
• 1:14:58
  that maybe is not typical. You're not seeing all the time,
• 1:15:01
  but maybe that feels what's right for you.
• 1:15:03
  So it's cool to be able to see that and see the work you're
• 1:15:06
  doing with horses. And it was great to chat with
• 1:15:08
  you and thanks so much for being here.
• 1:15:09
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