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What Secrets Do You Hold The Other Side Of Perfect From Venus Morris Griffin · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: how are you very well? How about you?
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  Speaker 2: I am wonderful, I'm wonderful. Thanks for thanks for the call.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, because this is the kind of stuff that
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  Speaker 1: needs to be openly talked about, and it just seems
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  Speaker 1: like we keep shoving it underneath the carpet. Why is
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  Speaker 1: it we do that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, because it's a lot of shame that's carried Oh
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  Speaker 2: with stores like this, it's it's difficult. It's very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wish the people that created the storms
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  Speaker 1: to the first place understood what life was going to
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  Speaker 1: be like in the years, well after decades and things
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  Speaker 1: like that. Because my father was he had some secrets
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  Speaker 1: and those secrets are what the repercussions are today. And
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  Speaker 1: just sit there and go, I'm going to rely on
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  Speaker 1: Venus to help me through this because she obviously knows
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  Speaker 1: the path.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I was a stay at home mom and
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  Speaker 3: I had six children ranging in ages from one to fifteen,
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  Speaker 3: and my husband was sentenced to.
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  Speaker 2: Forty five years in prison, and you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, it's really scary. It's really scary not to know
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  Speaker 3: how you're going to navigate through life as a single
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  Speaker 3: mom and you've lived your life with this second person
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  Speaker 3: for nearly twenty years.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it starts off from a forgiveness.
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  Speaker 3: Standpoint versus you know, being bitter and just kind of
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  Speaker 3: the victim mentality.
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  Speaker 2: But I think when you can forgive someone for what
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  Speaker 2: they've done to you.
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  Speaker 3: It allows to give It allows you to have the
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  Speaker 3: grace to get the grit to do what you need
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  Speaker 3: to do to take.
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  Speaker 2: Care of business. And that's the power of my story.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, because isn't that one of the golden
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  Speaker 1: rules forgiveness. But the problem is, though, I think people
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  Speaker 1: struggle with the forgetting part of it. And it's like
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  Speaker 1: my wife told me one time, she says, I'll never
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  Speaker 1: forget this. I'll forgive you, but I'll never forget this,
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  Speaker 1: and rooy, that's not a guilt trip.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you're supposed to forget it. And that's
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  Speaker 2: not my story.
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  Speaker 3: My story is not about forgetting what happened. It's actually
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  Speaker 3: remembering what happened. But forgiveness is something separate. That's something
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  Speaker 3: that I chose to do for my children because it
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  Speaker 3: gave them the ability to forgive as well, and it's
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  Speaker 3: something I chose to do for myself, less about him.
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  Speaker 2: But you know I don't for me.
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  Speaker 3: I can't imagine getting to where I'm at in my
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  Speaker 3: life and my children being independently successful and emotionally well
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  Speaker 3: had I not chosen that path.
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  Speaker 1: The book we're talking about is the other side of perfect.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the things this is how you affected
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  Speaker 1: me as a writer, is that as I really got
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  Speaker 1: into your paragraphs and got into the emotion of it all,
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden my vision was what did she
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  Speaker 1: see in the mirror? Because we all have those moments
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  Speaker 1: where we go to the mirror because we think the
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  Speaker 1: mirror has the answer. What did you see in the mirror?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I had a very tough childhood and I lived
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  Speaker 3: on the verge of homelessness for many years trying to
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  Speaker 3: figure out.
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  Speaker 2: How to have a normal life, or what I thought
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  Speaker 2: was a normal life.
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  Speaker 3: And when my husband went to prison, I prior to that,
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  Speaker 3: I thought that I kind of had it figured out,
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  Speaker 3: that I had escaped the abuse as a child. And
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  Speaker 3: when I looked in the mirror after my husband was
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  Speaker 3: sentenced to prison, what I wasn't willing to do is
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  Speaker 3: put that cross down for my children to pick up
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  Speaker 3: and carry, because I think a lot of times it's
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  Speaker 3: easy to make that choice where it's just too much bigger,
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  Speaker 3: But you have to realize that when you put it down,
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  Speaker 3: then somebody else has to pick it up and figure
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  Speaker 3: out how to try to make somewhat normal life out
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  Speaker 3: of the dysfunction and the tragedy.
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  Speaker 2: So my children really saved me, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: So I got to ask you, are there are there
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  Speaker 1: churches going to ask you to come in and do
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  Speaker 1: some conversations. The reason why I bring that up is
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  Speaker 1: because I know that at Elevation Church with Pastor Stephen Ferdick,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he always talks about things like this where
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  Speaker 1: it is about breaking the chain, so not picking it up.
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  Speaker 1: I love the fact that you are so open and
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  Speaker 1: transparent with that, because you're right, let's break that chain,
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  Speaker 1: but let's don't forget right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I have spoken at churches and it's been pretty powerful,
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  Speaker 3: So you know, I didn't realize how powerful my story
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  Speaker 3: was until Humans of New York featured me and it
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  Speaker 3: went viral, and you know, millions of people across the
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  Speaker 3: world were touched, and many wrote to me saying they
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  Speaker 3: were on the verge of suicide and they heard my
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  Speaker 3: story and it gave them the power to realize that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, seeing my walk, if I could get through it,
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  Speaker 3: they could also. And I think that's the beauty in
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  Speaker 3: my story. It's it's not just shame anyone. And ironically
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  Speaker 3: the book is told respectfully when I talk of my
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  Speaker 3: mother and my ex husband, but it's to get people
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  Speaker 3: power to get out of those situations. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that's that's the most important part.
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: so many things inside this book that are going to
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  Speaker 1: draw people to it. They're going to walk into a
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  Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble or they're going to be on Amazon
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  Speaker 1: and they're just going to read through the actual reaction
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  Speaker 1: to it. And what's so funny is that you you
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  Speaker 1: really dig into the multiple layers of relationship and the
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  Speaker 1: power of that forgiveness, but at the same time you
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  Speaker 1: also go into the violent outbursts and and and learning
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  Speaker 1: how to face that because how many men or women
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  Speaker 1: or even children have grown up with this. I grew
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  Speaker 1: up with an angry father. I don't think I'm ever
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  Speaker 1: going to get over that, but I rely on writing
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  Speaker 1: like yours to help me get through those storms. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not the only one out here.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you the real power in my story
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  Speaker 3: is me taking personal responsibility for putting my children in
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  Speaker 3: a dangerous home, because I share in that burden, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, I was afraid to leave for a lot
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  Speaker 3: of reasons. But by staying, you know, I thought I
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  Speaker 3: was protecting them, but I harmed them.
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  Speaker 2: And of course that was never my tent.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I've got to take responsibility where I
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  Speaker 3: failed as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just about who failed me.
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  Speaker 3: And when you look at what actions you can do
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  Speaker 3: differently and better to be better, then that's where the
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  Speaker 3: real power is.
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  Speaker 2: Because it really doesn't matter what these other people do
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  Speaker 2: to you.
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  Speaker 3: But you've got to have the strength inside of you
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  Speaker 3: to know that you're going to be okay and that
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  Speaker 3: you can get out of it.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what this story.
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  Speaker 3: I hope people will see themselves through me and in
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  Speaker 3: me and be able to get out of these really
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  Speaker 3: terrible situations.
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  Speaker 1: Is this a generational thing? Only because I know how
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  Speaker 1: old how old I am? I don't. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: where you are on the map. But the thing about
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  Speaker 1: it is it seems like that our generation is the
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  Speaker 1: one that said I can, I'm going to stick to it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to beat you know, like Tammy why not
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  Speaker 1: and said you know, I'm going to stand by my
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  Speaker 1: man and and but then today when you look at
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  Speaker 1: young couples and I've been in the wedding business for
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  Speaker 1: thirty four years, it's it's one of those things where
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  Speaker 1: it's like here, gone, gone, gone God, and I and
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't I mean, it really does help me kind
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  Speaker 1: of sit back and go, well, why did I stay
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  Speaker 1: or why did my mom stay? Why did we stay?
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  Speaker 1: And and and that's what That's one of the things
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  Speaker 1: I find inspiring with you is you found the Word
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  Speaker 1: of God. Is what you found, and that made you
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  Speaker 1: strong during and after and in this present day today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, God found me. I don't. I don't God. God
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  Speaker 2: found me, and he met me in the He met
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  Speaker 2: me in the middle of my mess. And that's where
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  Speaker 2: people go wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Because they think that, you know, God's supposed to help
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  Speaker 3: them when they're through the mess, or he'll help you
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  Speaker 3: get clarity.
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  Speaker 2: But God meets you in the middle of your mess.
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  Speaker 3: And and you know, I tell people the first year
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  Speaker 3: my husband was in prison, we went to Mass every
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  Speaker 3: morning at seven am, the children, all six children, and
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  Speaker 3: I not because I was like this great person, but
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  Speaker 3: because I didn't know what to do, and that's the
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  Speaker 3: only thing I could do. And so I took that
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  Speaker 3: small step, which gave me strengths to take another step.
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  Speaker 3: So I think, you just take the small step and
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  Speaker 3: then you'll get the strength you need to take the
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  Speaker 3: next step.
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  Speaker 2: But you got to take the first one.
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  Speaker 3: And you don't need to wait until your husband is
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  Speaker 3: sentenced to forty five years in prison. You know my again,
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  Speaker 3: my deepest regret that I will carry to the ends
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  Speaker 3: of my days is not leaving when the abuse started
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  Speaker 3: early in the marriage versus you know, waiting twenty years
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  Speaker 3: into it.
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  Speaker 2: But generation trauma is real.
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  Speaker 3: I you know, my brother was in maximum security prison,
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  Speaker 3: and my sister, you know, no one's heard from her
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  Speaker 3: in nearly thirty years. And my mother is struggling as
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  Speaker 3: we speak at the hospital, you know, detox scene off
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  Speaker 3: of description medications, and some people just think there's no
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  Speaker 3: other choice, and and you know, it's just a tragedy.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm hoping this book.
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  Speaker 3: I know this book is going to change that for
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  Speaker 3: many people to see that it doesn't matter if you're
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  Speaker 3: their abuser or the one being abused.
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  Speaker 2: You can you can change it. You can change it.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that you put pen to paper to write
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  Speaker 1: a book that has always been my box that I
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  Speaker 1: stand on, and I believe that I've been called to
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  Speaker 1: do that, and I have to sit out here and
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  Speaker 1: make sure that you know, put the pin to paper,
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  Speaker 1: put the pin paper. So I'm blessed to even have
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  Speaker 1: a conversation with someone like you, Venus, because you did it,
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  Speaker 1: you're living it, and you're out here to help change
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  Speaker 1: people's lives. I just wish more people could do that,
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know how to do it unless it's
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  Speaker 1: words like yours is say here it is people the reality.
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  Speaker 1: What are we going to do about it? What is
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  Speaker 1: the solution?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I've been working on this book for seven years,
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  Speaker 3: so this isn't something that you know was easy.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you the harder part is.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I grew up people telling me don't put
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  Speaker 3: your stuff out on the streets, and I think and
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  Speaker 3: so by by holding it all in and pretending we're perfect,
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  Speaker 3: which is why my book is the other side of perfect.
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  Speaker 3: You think that you're the only one living in this
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  Speaker 3: abusive situation, so you carry this guilt and shame and
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  Speaker 3: so you never tell anyone. And the reality is we
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  Speaker 3: all struggle with something. There's no perfect anything. And if
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  Speaker 3: we can respectfully and openly talk about these things, I
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  Speaker 3: think we can in tremendous.
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  Speaker 2: You know, generational trauma and abuse.
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  Speaker 1: So now, do you ever look at yourself as being
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  Speaker 1: the greatest actor you've ever met? And I'll set that
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  Speaker 1: up because people always look at me and to go,
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  Speaker 1: how could you be so happy all the time? How
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  Speaker 1: can you just try to And I go, it's an act.
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  Speaker 1: It's an act. I've got to become that person so
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  Speaker 1: I can get beyond my own my own ashes. Do
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  Speaker 1: you find yourself being the greatest actor that you've ever met?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was never trying to be an actor.
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to be a good mom to my kids,
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  Speaker 3: and so it never it was never about me, you know,
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  Speaker 3: trying to be someone I wasn't. I did, you know
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  Speaker 3: as a young child, I pretended to have a different
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  Speaker 3: life because I was ashamed of the way I grew up.
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  Speaker 3: But again, I don't know that I would call myself
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  Speaker 3: an actor. I just was trying to do the best
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  Speaker 3: with what I had to be normal.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know the true answer to that, other than I've
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  Speaker 3: tried to live an authentic life, but I've not been
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  Speaker 3: very successful at it until I realized I had to
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  Speaker 3: step out of the abuse and really just call a
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  Speaker 3: spade a spade.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's been tough. It's been tough, but it's.
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  Speaker 3: It's, you know, a beautiful thing now that through the
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  Speaker 3: darkest moments to get this light to other people.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Venus Morris Griffin.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up next the name of the book The Other
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  Speaker 1: Side of Perfect. We are back with Venus Morris Griffin.
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  Speaker 1: How have you been able to deal with the possibilities
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  Speaker 1: of allowing addiction to become your step of peace? Because
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's all around you. In fact, then you've
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  Speaker 1: been buried by all of this bad news. It would
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  Speaker 1: have been so simple to go into any form of addiction.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, look at all the different flavors
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  Speaker 1: of vodka and whiskey, and now there's THC and fused drinks.
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  Speaker 1: There's every escape is right there as a temptation. What
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  Speaker 1: the hell kept you away from it?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I tell my children all the tom
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  Speaker 3: I'm an alcoholic and a drug addict waiting to happen.
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  Speaker 3: But if you don't ever take the first if you
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  Speaker 3: don't take the drink, if you don't take the drug,
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  Speaker 3: then it's not going to happen. And so you know,
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  Speaker 3: I saw my brother and sister and my family all there,
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  Speaker 3: you know, suffer with tremendous addiction. And I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: what a you know, a healthy life looked like. But
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  Speaker 3: I knew at an early age I wasn't going to
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  Speaker 3: do what they were doing, and I was, I would
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  Speaker 3: you know, I might not be successful life, but I
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  Speaker 3: was going to damn sure try that trying to be
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  Speaker 3: And so I just refused to do those things because
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  Speaker 3: there's no good in them.
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  Speaker 2: And always, you know, even when I don't know the answer, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know mostly what's for sure not good for you, which
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  Speaker 3: are drugs and alcohol. And I just I saw how
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  Speaker 3: my siblings life turned out, and I just I didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to be like them.
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  Speaker 2: So that's really never been an option for me.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't have a great answer other than I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to be the opposite of what I saw, so
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  Speaker 3: that was the best way for me to do it.
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  Speaker 1: And you're very genuine with that, because, I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is one thing that listeners need to understand that when
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  Speaker 1: when they purchased the other side of perfect, you're actually
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  Speaker 1: helping to create scholarships for children, and it's not just
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  Speaker 1: normal children, or you are helping kids who've got parents
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  Speaker 1: that have been in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, this book I've spent I would say,
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  Speaker 3: if I had to guess, a couple hundred thousand dollars
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  Speaker 3: writing this book, because it's taking me so long. I'm
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  Speaker 3: donating all of the proceeds to charity to have a.
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  Speaker 2: Scholarship for kids that have a parent in prison.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not academic based at all, because when kids
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  Speaker 3: are going through tragedy and trauma, they don't have the
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  Speaker 3: privilege that many children have to have good grades. So
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  Speaker 3: they write a letter, and my children read the letters,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, all they have to say is what
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  Speaker 3: their parents went to prison for, how the adversity has
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  Speaker 3: affected them, and how they're going to use this scholarship
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  Speaker 3: to help other people see that there's a light. And
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  Speaker 3: it's pretty powerful because it keeps my children and me grounded,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, we're all the same, We're all the same.
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  Speaker 2: All the tragedy looks different.
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  Speaker 3: And it gives these kids a voice, and it makes
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  Speaker 3: them feel seen, and it makes some he heard, and
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  Speaker 3: it gives it gives me hope that I can somehow
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  Speaker 3: make a small difference in someone out there, like my children,
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  Speaker 3: who just need someone to believe in them.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's pretty powerful.
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  Speaker 3: And the additional proceeds will go to other charitable organizations
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  Speaker 3: or organizations that are changing people's lives. But this book
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  Speaker 3: is a promise that I made to God that if
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  Speaker 3: and when he got me through the tragedy. I would
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  Speaker 3: use my story to lift other people up, and that's
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  Speaker 3: what I plan to do.
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  Speaker 1: So are you going to start marching in the way
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  Speaker 1: of maybe writing some ya books or maybe even some
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  Speaker 1: children's books, because I mean to see a child these
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  Speaker 1: days receive a book. I love it. I just because
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  Speaker 1: I'll go to different libraries and they that child, that's
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  Speaker 1: my book, my book, my book, my book, my book,
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  Speaker 1: and go, oh, I got to do whatever I can
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  Speaker 1: so they can have that my book moment.
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  Speaker 3: You know, well, I have no plans on writing additional books.
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  Speaker 2: This was very difficult. I don't know what's in story.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I never say never, But as of this moment,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just going to do everything I can to get
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  Speaker 3: this story out there and help other people go through
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: that are going through despair. And then when you know
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: this is kind of done, then I'm going to change
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: gears and see what God has in store for me.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know what. I'm still taking the little
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: steps one after another.
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  Speaker 3: So I tell people, don't look too far ahead or
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: you'll get overwhelmed. But do the best you can do
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: every day, and right now my best is trying to
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: get this book out there because I think it has
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: the ability to change people's lives.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: So a lot of people aren't going to understand what
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to share with you right now, but I
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: think in my heart, I think you're going to understand it.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like Peter, here's a man that denied
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Jesus three times it was not the perfect life, but
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: he goes on to start the church in number three,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: he's the one that said he will turn around and
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: help out his fellow brother and sister. Do you feel
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: like Peter, like you have been called to a modern
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: world where it's time to turn and help up the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: fellow man.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I do feel like again, God has given me.
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  Speaker 3: Tremendous resources, so I can use those resources to help
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: other people. And and I think, you know, I've shared
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: this book with only a handful of people.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: And it's been life changing for them.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: So I feel like, you know, we go through tragedy
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: and difficult times, and there's always good in them if
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: you if you look for the good, and if you
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: focus on the good and what can come out of it,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: then it's you haven't suffered in vain. And so I
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: guess in that sense, yes, you know, but I mean,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I think this book has a calling far higher than
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: what I can predict.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I hope.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Well you inspired me to do something on iHeartRadio today,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and that I mean, that's how your book is going
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to grow. You're you're going to inspire people to do things.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: And and my thing was is that I was writing
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: about we always talk about a loving God, a loving God,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and I and I turned it around and I said,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: what is this thing called loving? And and so and
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: so I start breaking it down, breaking it down, breaking
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: it down, breaking it down, and I divided it all
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the way down to it is the invisible, unspoken things
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  Speaker 1: that we don't want to do. That is where the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: love needs to grow. And when we step in there,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: now we've got loving.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Right right, Yes, I agree with that. You know, my
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: faith has always been very important to me.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I'm still a sinner and I'll still mess up every day.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I'm very transparent with that. But you know, my faith
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: also chained me because I stayed in a very abusive
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: marriage for nearly twenty years because I thought.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: For better, for worse, for rich rapport.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Well, God doesn't call us to self abandon ourselves in
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: and I don't think that.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: You know, I wish I had been more vocal about what.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I was going through because you know, God doesn't ever
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: call us to be an abusive marriages and relationships.
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  Speaker 2: And so you know, while my faith saved me, it
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: also chained me for many years.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: And I hope people can see that as well. The
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: God has a higher purpose. But sometimes we can be
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: confused if we're so devlout in our teachings that we
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: don't use our own mind to see what's healthy and
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: what's not healthy. So faith this is a big part
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: in the book. But also you know, our exercise in
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: our free agency to do God's will, and it's not
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: to stay in abusive marriages for our children are harmed.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Man, you got to come back to this show anytime
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: in the future. The door is always going to be
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: open for you.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Miss Venus, Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about what
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you're doing the scholarships and how you're going to grow
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: forward and where you've been with communities, because you know
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: how we are, we're inquisitive. This is like the National Inquirer.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: We've got to know.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Sure, you can find me anywhere you can Google me,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Venus Morris Griffin book The Other Side of Perfect. You
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: can go to Instagram. I'm on Facebook. I've got a
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: web page.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: But if you just.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Put money and Venus Morris Griffin online book or Amazon,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Venus Morris Griffin book, Barnes and Noble.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I'm everywhere. So if you want to find me, I'm
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: pretty easy to find.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: You're going to send this book to Kevin Soerbel. And
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the reason why is because Kevin is really into sharing true,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: honest to God's stories that I mean, he's taken faith
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: based movies to a completely different level. And I just
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and he's formed this company to do this, and it's like,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I just, I just feel in my heart that you
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: should reach out to Kevin Soeerbral.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Sure, I'd love that. I'd love that.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Give me, you know, give me this into you know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: when when my book went my story went viral on
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Humans of New York, I had movie offers from Warner Brothers,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: and I had Kate Hudson and the Fanning sisters, really
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: beautiful people that believed in my story. But I said
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: before I did that this book had to be a
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: come out first, and so that's the first step. And
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: then the second thing is my children have to be
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: on board with, you know, doing a movie or something
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: like that. But I do think it has the power
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: if the right person. I believe, you know, doing this
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: legwork now. The right person is going to see this
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: and it can help the multitudes, not just you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: thousands of people.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I think it, you know, I think it can really
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: make a difference.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: See in my heart, I know we're going to talk again,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: just by hearing you. Oh my god, I know we're.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Going to talk again.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you gotta come back, please come back.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Oh thank you. I appreciate you.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, have a great day. Thank you.