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The Power of Plants · Giving Pain Purpose with Lyndsay Soprano

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This is Your Pain Game podcast where we talk about the game of living in
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and with chronic pain and trauma, getting to the heart of how to heal.
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I am your host Lindsay Soprano. On the show, I plan on
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discussing with doctors, chronic pain patients, ballistic practitioners, loved ones, and
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anybody that is interested in having their voice heard in the chronic pain and trauma
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world that we live in. Plant medicine is making waves across the globe these
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days. Right, We've got more Instagram stuff that's coming to us about mind
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bloom, about doing all of these ketamine treatments, and doing all these plant
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meditation retreats, doing iwan Oscar retreats, doing all these things, and it's
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not bullshit. Plant medicine is incredible. I look at it as kind of
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a get out of Western medicine for free card, you know, like we're
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playing Monopoly with our body all damn day. Well, maybe it's not so
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much free because the cost of what we put out, not just monetarily but
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emotionally and physically that we go through when it comes to chronic pain. We
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don't get anything for free here, and so it would be nice to get
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to get out of jail for free card when it comes to plant medicine,
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and I see it as freedom. And plants aren't just for gardeners and landscape
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earth, you know, they're here to heal us. And so many of
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the things that are part of big Pharma and part of a lot of the
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things that we take in our lives are plant based. So if we take
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out all of the other bullshit around it and we just focus on a little
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bit more about the medicine that comes from plants and the freedom that we can
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receive from our plants, I think that we might start to turn a little
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bit away from all of the pill popping that we do in our nation and
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in our globe quite frankly, I mean here in the States where we're just
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so reliant on not plants. But anyway, so you know, plants aren't
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just made here for making fake beef. You know, they're not just here
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to make processed foods for us. They're here to help us heal. And
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the healing properties of plants come from everything from chronic pain to depression and anxiety
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and PTSD and enlightenment, whatever way and how you work within this world from
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a spiritual perspective, from emotional perspective, whatever it is. No matter what,
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you cannot deny the healing properties of what plant medicine can bring to you,
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whether you're into it or not. You can't lie about the science.
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But whoa, whoa, whoa, Lindsay's talking about science. I know,
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I know science, and I'm happy to have you guys meet my guests today.
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Who has gone from what we're calling surviving to thriving using plant and energy
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medicine. She's an herbalist, energy medicine educator, and trauma informed and we
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talk about it all the time on the show about a trauma formed approach to
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care, common form breathwork facilitator as well. And her body was screaming at
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her about twelve years ago, and she just kind of ignored the messages.
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And I definitely understand being deaf to the music of my body sometimes because it
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feels like I am just surviving and I am not thriving. And I hear
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these messages and they've start they are a whisper, and then they start getting
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a little louder, and then it's a scream And I'm at that place with
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my bod where it's screaming at me. Some days it's better than others.
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Other days it's like, Wow, this sound is so overwhelming. So I
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just want to stop pain managements. I want out of it. And I
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believe wholeheartedly that plant medicine is part of my healing journey and I've started to
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work within that space and I'm starting to learn more about the healing power of
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plant medicine. And that is why my girl Amy Stein is here today.
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Hi girl, than Flindy, Hi, Hi listeners. Yeah, so I'm
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here today talk about plant medicine, right, break it down for you,
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break it down, Break it down. I'm a person that eats their weeds.
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I just want to talk about how First of all, plant medicine has
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been around and been used since we've been walking around on this earth. So
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it's something that has been around for five thousand years, right, So we
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discount it because it's not fancy, it doesn't come in a bottle, it
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doesn't you know, it doesn't cost a lot of money, so it's not
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taken with the same sort of credence. And then the intelligence that's there,
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But there's an intelligence that exists in mother nature that also is mirrored in us.
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So the body recognizes the plants as real medicine, whereas when we take
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a pharmaceutical right or like we eat fake meat like you said, the body
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recognizes it as a toxin. It's not something that's helpful. It actually causes
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more imbalance in the body. So when we can work closer than nature and
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respect the intelligence that she has, fearing it, understanding that it's the same
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intelligence that exists within us, we can begin to heal in a healthier way.
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And how did you get into it? Because I know that you were
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trapped in your body with multiple autoimmune diseases and trauma, which we've talked about
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on the show and we continue to do. So how you pulled yourself out
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of that through plant based medicine. So can you talk a little bit about
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what you were faced with when it came to your autoimmune diseases and like how
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plant medicine kind of came into place. Yeah, So for me, I
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was raised like everybody else, like you go to the doctor when you're sick,
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right, and they fix you. And I worked in medicine. I
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was working as a medical researcher with chronic pain patients and they were geriatrics,
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and I began to resemble my patients. And I was like twenty six,
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twenty seven. So we've all been taught that when you're sick, you go
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to the doctor. The doctor's supposed to fix you. And I worked in
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medicine and I was taught that same thing that you know, we have a
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problem, you go with the doctor, they fix you. And I learned
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from a very early age as a child that I was having all these issues.
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My parents were taking me the doctor, and I wasn't getting fixed like
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I was told I was too sensitive. I was told that I was just
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really stressed out. I was an anxious kid, and there was really never
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an answer for me. And it reaffirmed this idea of not being seen,
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not being heard, not being believed, and it didn't feel good. And
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so when the message from my body got really loud when I was working with
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chronic pain patients, it became to the point that it was unavoidable. I
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could not stop ignoring them anymore, and so I went on the merryg around.
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I'm going to all the doctors, right. I live in New York,
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so you throw a pebble, hit a doctor. Maybe we have a
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lot of doctors here, but the thing was is that none of them were
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looking at the body as a whole right, and they were not addressing all
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of the issues that were going on because I didn't fit into the boxes.
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And so it was really frustrating two three years where I followed everything they told
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me to do, and I was already doing things on my own because what
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they were telling me to do wasn't working. And the idea of when you
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open up to connecting to your intuition, you open up to connecting to something
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higher than you, bigger than you, that the guidance will come. But
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it's not something again that we're taught in our society, right. It's like
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a foreign concept. And so I began to be led to go on the
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plant medicine paths, and I didn't, you know, it wasn't like I
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was going to ayahuasca circles or doing piot. I was beating the weeds in
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my backyard. I was learning that all the plants I was already growing have
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medicinal properties, and I began to use them to bring my batty back into
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balance. What were some of the things that you were struggling with from a
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health perspective and chronic pain perspective, because I think that's helpful for our listeners
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to understand, Like, these are some of the things that I was going
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through from an autoimmune disorder perspective. And now this is what you're foraging as
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you as you call it, right, I mean it is called foraging.
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But what you've done in order to because you make your own products now like
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you're doing like amazing stuff with mother nature. So can you talk about what
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you uggled with and because and what like really was your like tipping point,
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because I think that we all have our tipping point when it comes to pain
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and autoimmune and brain like all of it. And you know me, I've
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had my listeners know as well that I had this massive concussion and I'm still
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dealing with like the aftermath of It's far better than I was a couple of
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weeks ago, but wow, it is still unbelievable how much that trauma is
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sitting in my brain and how the only way I've been able to get out
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of it is by using plants. And it's a very interesting thing that's going
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on over here. So can you talk to me about a couple of the
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things that you've been through from an autoimmune to perspective because I know a lot
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of the listeners are like, oh gosh, well does that have anything to
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do with me? Yeah, So basically I experienced everything, like it would
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be more helpful for me to say what I didn't experience, right, So
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I basically I had severe GI issues. I had daily migraines, I had
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daily vertigo. Yeah, Like it was like everything and then some. And
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that was the issue. Is because I had so many different symptoms that I
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didn't fit into the boxes, right. So the doctors all want you to
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fit into a box, right. So rhumatoria uthritis has all these symptoms,
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lupus has all these symptoms, right, you know. And the thing is
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there's a lot of different things that happen in the body that can't form into
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a box. You can't put them into a box. And the body is
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intelligent and that it will give you messages before Western labs will pick them up.
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Right. So you go for lab work and the doctor says there's nothing
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wrong with you. There is something wrong with you. You're checked into your
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body because you've lived in it your whole life, and they don't right.
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So you know when something feels off, you know, you know when something
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is wrong. And I knew that from a very young age, you know,
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from age five on. I knew that there was something going on.
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But no one was talking about trauma. No one was talking about eating real
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food. Nobody was talking about anything other than having surgery or taking medication.
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Right. So the breaking point for me was I was at a very well
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known hematologist office and he just said, let's do chemotherapy, like that was
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his solution. And I said, I don't have cancer and he said that's
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fine, it's all autoimmune in nature. Or will just kill your immune system
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and hope it grows back. And I looked at my mother and I said,
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I'm not doing that, Like I'm not that desperate, Like I'm desperate,
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but I'm not going to do that. And so I began then to
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guinea pig myself because I was tired of being guinea pig by the doctors and
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not getting any better. So I took my power back and I began to
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explore and listen and trust my body with the messages it was giving me.
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You know, what was I eating that it was not working out well for
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me, because there is no ideal diet for everybody. What was the toxins
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that, even though I couldn't see them, were making me really sick.
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Old EMFs, smart meters, WiFi, all of that, right, So
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we had to redo our whole house. We had to remediate the mold.
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We live on an island, so we remediate mold every year. And it's
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all these ideas that are not traditionally spoken about that actually make a huge difference
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to the body. We live in an extremely toxic world, and we're exposed
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to so many different things that we don't even realize. And so when you
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can begin to be aware of what you're putting in and on your body,
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the things that you have control over, you can begin to work with the
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body rather than against it. Yeah, and I like that. I'm a
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little the clumped about the clumps, yes, and a little the clumped about
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the fact the topic of smart homes and all of the technology that we have
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in our lives it's obviously radiing us in some freaking way. We'll never know
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because we'll be, you know, part of the earth when all of this
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comes to fruition. But what have you done in your home? Because that's
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almost a little scary to me that you're like, well, we had to
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change things in our home. We had to change things from a smart house
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perspective. What have you done in relation to that? Yeah, I mean
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I made a lot of changes, probably ten years ago, because I looked
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to the research. The research is from the nineteen fifties when they were doing
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actually goes back for them that but the majority of researches from the nineteen fifties
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around radio waves, and so there's natural electromagnetic frequencies that exists outside of mother
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nature. So if you go to the beach and you're on vacation, you
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feel great. Right, if you go hiking in the woods, the first
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thing you do when you get out of the car to take a deep breath,
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especially if you live in the city. But we don't realize how much
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we're exposed to so many things that we can't see. Right, you can't
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see dirty air pollution unless you're in a city, but even just living in
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the suburbs, it's dirty air that you're breathing. And actually the air inside
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your house is actually dirtier than the air outside because we use all these fragrances
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and all these chemicals that are sprayed on our furniture and on the carpets and
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on the hardwood floors, so we had to environmentally. My husband is an
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engineer, so we had to re engineer the entire house. So we had
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to build the house all over again because the mold, and then we had
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to ground everything because dirty electricity creates magnetic frequencies that if you're sensitive to electromagnetic
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frequencies, it's going to make you sicker. It increases the fields of the
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magnetization that I can feel it in my body, so it feels like a
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humming. It feels like a vibration, but increases the vertical increases the migraine.
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I didn't understand any of that, Like I didn't understand why I went
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to a store with fluorescent lights. I would feel really sick. I would
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feel like I was like, actually my battery was being drained. And so
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I feel a lot better when I'm outside, and because it's a natural frequency
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that my body respects and actually needs. Where we revere technology so much in
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our society where I spend all the time on screens, right everything is screen
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related. Our body gets out of balance and it actually is detrimental because we're
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absorbing all these harmful frequencies and so the same thing was like the water you
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drink, right, if you're drinking out of plastic, you're drinking chemicals.
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If you're drinking tap water, the majority it's tapwater in this country is not
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clean, right, but we think we live in a society it's clean water.
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We don't. And so all these chemicals that are pumped into sanitize the
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water actually really detrimental. So we filter our water. We have a filter
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that we use. We filter our the water we bathe in. Because your
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skin is your largest organs, you're picking up all the things that your skin
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is exposed to. I'm really careful about what I put in and on my
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body. Right, So personal care products, the products you used to clean
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your house, those are all filled with massive amounts of chemicals that are going
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to disrupt all the processes of your body. So that was the first step
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of what I did, and that's the first step that I advise anybody to
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do, is to examine their toxic load. Right. So we hardwired.
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We don't have any smart appliances where our TV is probably twenty five years old,
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and that's fine, it works, right. Everything is hardwired, so
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there are there is no Wi Fi in my house. We don't run off
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Wi Fi. Everything is hardwired into the router and the modem and so there's
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a lot of wires. But I don't feel sick. We don't have a
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smart meter on our house. We don't have cordless phones, we don't use
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baby monitors. Like. All of these things all have harmful frequencies, but
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we just accept them as part of life. We don't realize the damage they're
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joint to the body. Well, I'm pretty sure that everybody that's listened to
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this is gonna be like, oh fuck, because I'm literally looking around just
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in my studio right now and the massive amounts of frequency that's being that's pummeling
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my brain and my body, and but I can't, like, I can't
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stop all of that in order to be healthy in my world. So,
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as we are thinking about healing from a plant medicine perspective, can you talk
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about that a little bit in regards to that side of it outside of the
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you know, the messages that we're getting from technology, because I know we
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know all about them. I just wanted to stay focused on the plant side
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of things. Yeah, sure, I mean it's an awareness, right,
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So there's an awareness of spending more time outside rather than on technology. Right,
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So rather than when you get home from work and going on your phone
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and doing social media, it's going outside, being outside community with nature.
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It's having that awareness of how can I change my behavior so that I'm less
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reliant on technology for everything? Right. So you can put your Wi Fi
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router on a Christmas timer and it goes off every night when you sleep,
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so that you're not being radiated while you're sleeping, because no one's on Wi
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Fi when they're sleeping, right. So it's being aware of my behaviors that
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I have control over and how I can respect the intelligence that exists around me
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with mother nature and looking at her for examples. Right. So she's resilient.
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So even though she's bombarded by all of these different toxins, just like
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we are, she's resilient and that the way that she course corrects without overthinking,
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right, So she just understands how to do that because she doesn't actually
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let all of the outside noise external noise affect her. So it's it's communing
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more with the intelligence that she has and understanding that we also have that same
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intelligence and how we can bring that back in So like you talk about the
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products I make. So I made an herbal bomb for EMF issues. I
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made a tincture. So a tincture as you put plants together with some sort
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of alcohol. You so give for four to six weeks and then you strain
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out the plants and the alcohol, or you can use apple cide or vinegar
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pulls them medicinal properties out of the plants and the liquid that is left is
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infused with all those medicinal properties. Like I said, all plants have medicinal
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properties. So I did all the research of what plants are great for decreasing
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electromagnetic frequencies. There are a lot of crystals that are great for decreasing electromagnetic
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frequencies. All of these things come from the earth. They're all natural,
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they're all you know. They're not changed in any way. They're just raw
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materials that work with the body. So I began bringing more crystals into my
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house to my husband, be like another rock, right, But it makes
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me feel better. So it's finding what makes you feel better in a way
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that is easy for you to implement into your life. So I don't ever
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advocate for anybody to do what I do because I'm extremely rigid because I have
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to be right. But there are suggestions that everybody can do that can be
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manageable, Like I mentioned the Christmas time around the Wi Fi router, the
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choosing to not have all smart appliances, choosing to get outside in nature rather
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than binge watching or being on social media, you know, when you're walking
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your dog, to actually be present with walking the dog, you know,
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listening to the birds, smelling the sweetness of the spring air. It's ninety
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degrees years today in New York and that's really rare. But I was outside
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with the dog this morning when it was only eighty degrees and we spent time
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outside before it got too hot, and so I was watching my seed lanes
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and I was, you know, looking to see what I could forage for
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my smoothie and what I could plan for ahead of time if things started to
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get you know, the heat still stays. So it's this idea of working
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with nature, which is something we don't do in our society. You know,
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It's something that we did for thousands of years and now it's kind of
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like, oh, that we don't want to do that. But actually,
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when you can get back to nature, you can balance the body in a
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way that pharmaceuticals can't do. Yeah, I mean, pharmaceuticals are don't even
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get me started on that whole situation. But when you're talking about using plant
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medicine, you've talked about making your own bombs and making your own things and
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foraging and going out and eating your own weeds, which sounds like crazy making,
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right, And I think that when people think about plant medicine, they
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think about drop an acid, they think about scary stuff that can happen from
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plant based medicine. Sure, sure, So how can you help us feel
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a little bit better about like you're not going to go down a freaking k
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hole because you're eating some weeds or there are? Because people think of plant
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medicine in so many different ways, can you kind of explain to us the
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difference between the different types of plant medicine and what you feel is the best
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for chronic paining patients from your perspective of course, and connecting with Mother nature
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as their guide. Yeah. So the first thing is that to forage is
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to you know, it's also called wildcrafting, is when you go out into
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the woods or your backyard if you live in a suburb and you harvest the
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weeds that are growing, and so the weeds are actually more medicinally nutritionally potent
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than anything you could like grow from a seat packet or anything you could grow
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at a big box store, right, if you're going to plant a garden,
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And the reason for them is because Mother Nature is kind of like her
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gift to you. Like all the time I talk to people and they'll say,
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I'm having X, Y and Z is my issue, right, And
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so I'm never going to tell them use this essential oil or use this plant
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for that, because it's not how it works. Every plant has its own
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properties and its own constitution. I Raveta talks about this, right, and
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so do we as humans. So Lindsay and I can take the exact same
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plant and have exactly two different experiences. Right. So I don't do psychedelics,
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like I'm not going to go to a height. I'm not going to
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do any of that because that scares me like it scares you. Right.
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But I will eat my weeds because we don't spray anything. We don't put
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any chemicals down on our properties. So that's the first step. If you're
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going to forage, has this area been sprayed by roundup or glysofate or as
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a chemical fertilizer has been put down. So if it's your own property,
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you should know that, right. But you have to be careful because if
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your neighbor sprays, that spray is gonna travel in the air. It's going
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to affect your stuff, right. So like, even though I garden organically,
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I live in the world and so there are chem trails and there are
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other things going on. So it's about being aware all of this, regardless
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of your open up plant medicine. It's being aware of this idea even if
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it seems different and weird to you and like, oh it's woo woo.
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Is what you're doing now serving you? Right? It's being curious, like,
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is what I'm doing now serving me? Right? So for Lindsay and
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I was not so pharmaceuticals and the traditional western approach, we're not serving me.
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So I went back to real traditional medicine, which is plant medicine by
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your veda, traditional Chinese medicine, all of those healing techniques, right,
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But there are so many different modalities and so many different ways to do it.
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So you could just find someone who makes herbal bombs like I do.
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Right, and you can you can sample those that's introducing plants back into you.
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You don't have to make it yourself, Like you don't have to go
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and grow all this stuff and grow Like I would love for people to advocate
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to grow in their food in their medicine, but I know it's not realistic.
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I know that not everybody wants to do that, and that's fine.
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But find people that you trust, right, go to your local farmers market,
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ask them what they're growing, ask them if they spray, and if
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they don't spare on their property, asked to gather their weeds right. So
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there are resources that you can find locally, even if you live in apartment.
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I mean, they do foraging walks in Central Park, Manhattan. So
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I would never eat anything there because it's so dirty, but like because of
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all the air pollution, but they do it right, they do it.
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It's like you you know, if you're in Los Angeles, like you can
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find weeds in the park. So you also need to be able to properly
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identify. So there are foraging books for local areas. So I have foraging
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books for the Northeast because I live in New York. You could find foraging
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books for the West. If you live in California or Nevada or Utah,
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right, there are foraging books for that specific area. You just starve for
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it. I use the library because it was free and I was on a
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budget, so I would just get out all these books, and some of
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them had recipes. Some of them, you know, get one s which
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pictures so you can properly identify. I do not recommend going and getting an
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app or going on the internet, because anyone can post anything there, and
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so unless you know a reputable app that a forager told you about, I
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don't recommend doing that. I recommend getting a book, like an actual book
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with a cover with paper pages, and going through the book and compare it
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and learning what the plant looks like at different times of year. Right,
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So what grows by me in New York may not grow in California. So
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because the listeners are located everywhere, I'm not going to mention plants. But
23:37
there are certain plants that grow right now by me in this spring that are
23:41
very supportive of the digestive system and the lymphatic system. The lymphatic system doesn't
23:47
have any way of pumping out the toxins, but it's like the garbage disposal
23:52
of your body. And so anything that your body is trying to detox out,
23:56
it goes to the lymph system. But a lot of times it's clogged.
23:59
It's like if you're pit area or your chest area or your groin area,
24:03
your inner thighs is sore and puffy, that's because your limp is not
24:07
moving. And that was a big issue I had because my body was trying
24:11
to get rid of all these toxins, but there was too many to get
24:12
rid of at once, so it was becoming backed up. So I created
24:15
a bumb for that because then it helped move it through and then I was
24:19
peeing more and I was feeling like less of this pain around that area.
24:25
But also you could do energy medicine exercises and work with the Meridians. You
24:30
could do sound healing, like again bringing in this ancient wisdom science that exists.
24:36
Right, So there is science around it. It's not Lulu and being
24:40
curious about how you can implement Mother Nature and her wisdom in your life.
24:47
Right, So maybe you like to go to the beach, maybe you hang
24:49
out with the beach more. Maybe you implement taking a walk after dinner every
24:52
night, maybe you sit outside and just look at the sky. Maybe you'd
24:56
walk your dog. I mean people did these things during COVID. It was
25:00
like a novel concept. I mean, this is how I live my life
25:03
every day, right, So it's bringing more of that back in. How
25:07
can this feel good to me? How can I bring this in easily?
25:08
Because we want to manage small steps because if you try to take a leap,
25:12
it's not going to work. The body's designed to heal, it's also
25:17
designed to keep you safe. So if you try to, you know,
25:19
do this huge, big behavior shift, the body's going to think like,
25:22
oh my god, we're dying and it's gonna sabotage you. And you're gonna
25:26
think like, oh that doesn't work for me. That was stupid. Why
25:29
didn't that work? It worked for everybody else, right, But it's nothing
25:32
wrong with you. It's just understanding how the body's design, just like we
25:36
understand that there's other things out there for us to work and heal with.
25:41
There are, and that is something that is super important when it comes to
25:45
this show, is that, you know, because I don't push Big Farm
25:47
in any way, shape or form. I am all about let's try to
25:49
like, get us down to a baseline and figure out how we're actually feeling,
25:55
and then approach this from well a different approach where you can look at
26:00
the healing properties of what's around us instead of just like, oh, all
26:06
right, well I'm gonna go to CBS. We've got a cope for five
26:07
bucks and I get whatever it is that I need and it's not actually what
26:11
you need. And that that is my perspective. I know that you share
26:15
that as well, Amy, but it's it's it's such a challenge when you're
26:18
talking about chronic pain because you know, we we feel like we have to
26:22
surrender all the time to X, Y and Z, and surrendering and doesn't
26:26
mean that we're weak. Our body is not the enemy. We have to
26:33
reawaken the intuition that we have within us to truly heal. And by doing
26:41
that. I love the idea of going out in nature so much because,
26:44
like on this show, I talk with a lot of people about their traumas
26:48
and things that they've been through and so and on the meet and greet specifically,
26:52
because I meet and greet with every guest before I have them on the
26:55
show, and we learn a lot about each other. And we get a
26:57
lot of stuff out of the way before or we record. But it's really
27:00
interesting too. For me. I've had to figure out a way to kind
27:07
of divest what happens when I talk to people, because what was happening is
27:11
I was taking it as an EmPATH, as you know, Amy and as
27:15
well as my listeners not. At this point, I'm a massive EmPATH,
27:18
and I take on everybody else's stuff. I just do. I take on
27:22
their darkness and despair. I take on their loss of hope. I take
27:26
on weaknesses. I take on the fact that they feel like their body is
27:30
going on against them. I take on their trauma. I do all of
27:33
that because that's who I am, and I had to figure out a way
27:36
to kind of divest that. And in order for me to do that,
27:40
the only way it was as soon as I was done with every single meet
27:42
and greet with somebody that was giving me a fairly traumatic story or what have
27:47
you, I had to go outside. I had to go stand outside in
27:52
nature. And I know it's hard with my feet and stuff, but I
27:55
still would like take off my little shoes and standing in grass is like bassically
28:00
standing in like an entire like like a tub of razor blades. But I
28:04
still do it. So I go stand out, and I stand out in
28:07
the grass and I feel the cool of the grass, and I feel the
28:11
ground, and I look up up the sky and I breathe in this nature
28:15
to help like, okay, and send that out, because if we keep
28:18
taking in all of these toxicities that are around us, no matter what they
28:22
are, whether it's an environmental toxicity, whether it's an emotional toxicity, a
28:27
relationship, whatever it is, we keep them in here. And like we've
28:30
talked about in the Showbody keeps the score, we're holding onto it. We're
28:34
holding onto all of it, and we're not surrendering. But something that's really
28:38
important that I've learned from you is surrendering does not make you weak. And
28:42
I think that's very important for everybody to listen to. Just because you're like,
28:48
Okay, I'm given in, I get I've got to get through what
28:52
I'm doing, doesn't make you weak. Doesn't make you a weak human being,
28:56
because you need to give a shit about your life and how you want
29:00
to do it. And also, something that I think is really important is
29:03
to not have people that are in your life that maybe like you mentioned woo
29:08
woo, because I say woo woo all the time because my sweetie thinks a
29:11
lot of the things that I do is just woo woo. And I'm like,
29:14
okay, good, good for you. You and I are very different
29:15
in our mind, body, spirit connection to the planet that we live on.
29:21
I am not going to let him make me feel crappy about the way
29:25
I feel about it, nor will I do the same for him. He
29:26
doesn't do that at all. But I'm just saying, it's just one of
29:30
those things where I've surrendered my body and my soul and my spirit to this
29:36
show, to my healing and where I'm going, because I don't know where
29:41
I'm going to end up, but I know that the things that I'm doing
29:44
right now are healthy and are balanced in relation to Mother Nature and the way
29:48
that I want to heal. And they think that you and I aligned so
29:52
much in that regard. I am not foraging my weeds out in the front
29:55
yard right now, I can tell you that much. But I'm not against
29:59
it. Oh, it's good. It's being open, right And like you
30:03
said, Sis, surrender isn't a dirty word. It's not quitting, it's
30:06
not giving up. That's what we're taught in our society. But it's asking
30:08
for help, asking for help something bigger than you. So for me,
30:11
that's mother and nature. Right, So I'm like, what do I need
30:15
to do here? And then you know it sounds crazy, but like the
30:18
plants will tell me, like you need to eat me more, you need
30:19
to make a bomb out of me, you need to combine me in a
30:22
tincture, right, And I listen to that because it works because when I
30:26
go and lead with my mind, right, the mind is just simply part
30:30
of the body. But that's how we live in our society. Everything needs
30:33
to be logical. Everything is black and white. There's only right or wrong,
30:37
there's no gray, there's no middle. But the mind is simply part
30:40
of the body, and so we can remember that the mind needs a break,
30:45
right, So especially like with you when you had a concussion and you're
30:48
still dealing with it, Like your brain is asking for a break. It's
30:51
asked me for you to slow down. It's asking for help, right.
30:53
But we're taught that these messages from the body mean it's broken, there's something
30:59
wrong with us, But it's not. It's just trying to get your attention.
31:03
It's asking for help. And these messages that are our late as symptoms
31:07
that we ignore, we try to numb them, are just message from the
31:11
body to lead us on a different way of being right, leading us back
31:15
to how we are designed to be rather than what we're told to be now.
31:21
So it's again it's an idea of unlearning. The healing process is a
31:25
huge unlearning process because you have to unlearn all the shit that you learn from
31:29
a kid from before age seven that was not even yours. Like Bruce Lipton
31:33
talks about this in his book Beyond Biology of Belief in that all these programs
31:37
and belief systems we inherit, they're not ours. We pick them up from
31:41
our culture, society, our parents, whatnot, and then we think they're
31:45
right, and like when someone questions it, we get angry at them and
31:48
they're wrong. We have to make them wrong for us to feel safe.
31:51
That's the way that we are. That's just being human. But you don't
31:55
have to be like that because it also keeps us stuck. It keeps us
31:59
stuck in pain, it keeps us stuck in disease, it keeps us stuck
32:02
in wanting to always be right. It keeps us stuck in being unhappy.
32:06
And so when we can be curious about that and wonder, Okay, so
32:10
what I'm doing isn't working, what else could I be doing? Who else
32:15
maybe could I speak to about this? Right? And and understanding that there
32:22
is no one answer. Right, So, like I tell people, don't
32:24
I don't have one protocol for you. I don't have one pill, I
32:28
don't have one supplement. I don't have you know, one program that's going
32:31
to fix it. Because everyone is different, we all have different experiences,
32:35
we all have different needs, and so it's important for you to connect back
32:38
to that intelligence that's within you and to trust that it's it's there to help
32:43
you, and then to listen to it and to begin to follow what it's
32:46
telling you to do well. And I think listening is the biggest thing that
32:52
we in chronic pain community and trauma informed community as well, is we hide.
32:59
We're scared, We're worried, you know, we're worried about judgment,
33:02
we're worried about sharing or all those things where it's like, don't be,
33:08
don't be anymore like And that's one of the reasons why I started this show
33:12
too, is to get people to understand that you can be vulnerable, you
33:17
can be organic, you can share whatever you want to, and you're safe
33:21
here. And it's something that was really hard for me. And starting the
33:24
show was to open up and talk about things that are overwhelming, that are
33:29
scary, that are traumatic, that are painful, and that I was scared
33:35
to talk about. And I was scared my whole life. And now I'm
33:37
here and I'm less overwhelmed. That is a heat, even though there's so
33:43
much being thrown at me. At the same time, I'm less overwhelmed with
33:46
my body and my past than I was before because I'm talking about it.
33:52
And I decided to get curious. I let you always use the word get
33:55
curious, and I love that phrase. I am excited to be more curious
34:00
about the why behind, the reasons why I'm in pain, the reasons why
34:05
I haven't had in Sawny in my whole life, the reasons why X,
34:07
Y, and Z. And if you're not willing to like get curious,
34:12
then you know, pop off and go listen to another show, because this
34:15
is what we're here for, is to feel less overwhelmed. Right, We're
34:20
here to get curious. We're here to be vulnerable. We're here to be
34:22
black, white, gray, red, pink, whatever shade you are.
34:28
That's what we're here for. And it's a challenge all over the map for
34:34
everybody because everybody feels a little differently. There's people that will listen to this
34:37
episode and be like, what, I'm gonna go eat my weeds. Fuck
34:40
you, I'm out. Okay, that's fine. Get curious though, because
34:45
I guarantee you're gonna look at weeds a little differently when you walk your dog
34:50
in the neighborhood this week, all right, And like you know, if
34:55
you get really angry about it, right, like if you're like, get
34:58
really heated, like this is bull sh question why that is? Why do
35:01
you feel like that? Why is that triggering you so much? Right?
35:05
Because it's going against the paradigm, Because it's going against what you've been taught,
35:08
that doesn't mean it's wrong. Right again, Like it doesn't need to
35:12
be black or white. They're so much gray. There's so many people that
35:15
use plant medicine. There's so many people that use energy medicines. Like we
35:19
didn't touch on homeopathy, but homeopathy is energy medicine and plant medicine. And
35:22
you and I both have used homeopathy and I use it extensively for a lot
35:25
of different things. And that it's created from everything that walks this earth,
35:30
So whether it's a rock, whether it's a insect, whether it's a plant,
35:35
whether it's an animal, and it's heavily diluted. But the difference is
35:37
it works energetically with your body to bring you back into balance. Pharmaceuticals can't
35:43
do that. Surgery can't do that. It just inflicts another layer of trauma.
35:45
And when we're taught that, you know, our motions aren't real because
35:49
we can't see them. When we're taught that this idea that what we feel
35:52
is not valid, it perpetuates this trauma in the body, which just leads
35:58
to more pain. It just leads to more disease. Is it just leads
36:00
to more imbalanced and disconnection. So when we're triggered like that, rather than
36:05
just reacting, which is what we always do, right, to find the
36:09
awareness to stop. And again, it's not going to happen all the time
36:13
because you're human, So don't shame yourself over it, but to wonder,
36:15
like, why is this bothering me? Why is what lindsay and Amy saying
36:20
like causing me to think that this is bullshit. And then go into your
36:23
research, and please don't go on Google because you're not going to find anything
36:27
of worthiness there because it's all censored and they want you to see what they
36:30
want you to see. So go and get a book out about plant medicine,
36:35
Go and get a book out about foraging, Go and get a book
36:37
out about energy medicine, right, and like, listen to what these people
36:39
are saying because it's something that's been around for five thousand years, and traditional
36:45
Western medicine has only been around for two hundred and fifty years. And it's
36:49
based on a sickcare system. It's based on money, and it's based on
36:52
profits. It's not based on you being well. The doctor doesn't benefit if
36:57
you don't come back every three months. Right, it's renew your prescription,
37:00
have a checkup. So questioning of I was taught this way. I was
37:06
taught that things had to look this way, But why why can't it look
37:10
differently? So I always say that everyone thinks being different is bad? What
37:15
why is being different bad when it's the same root words difference. If I'm
37:19
making a difference, that's good. But if I'm different. That's bad.
37:23
Why is that because somebody told me that, right, it doesn't mean it's
37:27
true. Oh my god, woman, there's so much here and there's so
37:34
much to talk about, especially about our mind, body and spirit and our
37:37
breath and how we can support each other in this. And there are some
37:42
people that are going to be just like not interested. Great, good for
37:45
you, you know, try to try to go after looking at yourself a
37:50
little bit from a different perspective, because if you're sitting and stewing in your
37:53
stuff and you're still from I'm going to use a new line that I've been
37:59
using late. It's called fuck strated. If you are fustrated right now because
38:04
everything is fucking frustrating you, maybe maybe just for a moment, tip tip
38:12
over your kettle for a sec and be like, huh, let's get curious
38:15
about something else. Because if you're continuously being fustrated and you're fuctrated about every
38:21
doctor you've gone to that has let you down, and you're fustrated about everything
38:24
else in life, why not open your eyes to another potential approach to your
38:31
care. And I think Mother Nature has a lot of words to say to
38:36
us. I mean, you know, I mean science aside. You know
38:38
what's science? The world? Mother Nature speaks to us in every way,
38:45
shape or form, and you just need to listen a little bit, you
38:47
know, we just need to pay more attention to the things that really if
38:51
you really get down to the nitty gritty and what you're feeling about yourself and
38:53
the way in your place in this world and you're place in this environment and
38:57
you're placed with nature, you know you're not going to fail when you find
39:01
out like, oh, you know, that's not too bad of an idea
39:06
to go down this road. What do you have to lose? I mean,
39:08
honestly, getting off of some pharmaceutical that is not doing anything for you
39:14
but causing you problems? What do you have to lose outside of trying something
39:17
different and being a little bit more open and being more connected to the people
39:22
that are in your life and the world in which we live in. So,
39:25
okay, where can we find you? So my body's spirit breath.
39:30
And then also I've talked about the lessons of on learning. There's an ebook
39:34
and the notes of seven major lessons and discoveries. I has my decade plus
39:37
healing journey, and then there's also an e journal that we're including in the
39:42
bottom so you can understand and decipher what the symptoms from your body the messages
39:45
are trying to tell you. Yeah, And I think that's really important about
39:49
the messages. Our bodies are trying to tell you. There's a you know,
39:52
guys, you know me at this point, like, I love my
39:54
tattoos and I've got one that I'm working on right now, and it's and
39:59
it says, I don't know if this is appropriate right now, but I
40:00
kind of feel like it might be. But it says, they whispered to
40:05
her, you cannot withstand the storm, and she whispered back, I am
40:08
the storm. I love that. Yeah, and I love that because I
40:14
am the effing storm. Is there anything you'd like to leave our listeners with
40:20
before we get the heck out of your aim? No, just that you're
40:23
not broken, there's nothing wrong with you, and find someone who will support
40:28
you on that journey. I love that because we aren't broken. I might
40:30
feel it sometimes, guys. I mean, I definitely have my days.
40:34
I'm kind of a broken little piece of hot mess over here, but you
40:37
know what, I'm not at the same time, because I feel like I'm
40:42
meaning so many people that are healing and helpful and also validate the feelings that
40:47
you haven't. Don't let people knock you down, you know, because you
40:53
feel a certain way. How you feel is how you feel, and don't
40:57
let anybody tell you any different. And I know us when in we go
41:00
through a lot of that, especially in the medical field. We go into
41:05
multiple doctors appointments all the time, and we were made to feel small or
41:07
made to feel like our message is not clear or it doesn't exist, or
41:10
just take this pill and you'll be fine, and if it's not, then
41:14
comes see me again in a month, then comes see me again in two
41:15
months. We want to heal in our industry here in the United States,
41:22
specifically, we're in the what did you say earlier, Amy, in relation
41:25
to the fact that there's a mean it's a profit organization. They like to
41:30
keep us sick. Sick care, that was what it is, Thank you
41:32
sick care. They want to stick they do, because if we're healthy,
41:37
how are they making any money? I know that's you know, me on
41:39
my slot box, and that's where I'm always going to be in regards to
41:43
that. But I've spent a fortune to feel worse and I'm sick of it,
41:47
and I hope you guys are too. You are exclusively invited to share
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