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5/1/26: New Iran Strikes Imminent?, Platner Beats Mills, AI UnderClass, JPMorgan MeToo · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: How are we doing this morning? Well, we got last names,
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  Speaker 3: got a war going on continuing potentially some war updates
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  Speaker 3: with Iran Graham Plattner in has become the presumptive Democratic
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  Speaker 3: why don't we start with a little bit of Barockraviede.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead and put this latest report up on
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  Speaker 2: the screen. Another market moving report here from Barockravid indicating
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  Speaker 2: that there are talks going on with Iran. And here
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  Speaker 2: let me let me take a look at this. So
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  Speaker 2: he says, Iran gives the US a new response on
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  Speaker 2: a draft piece deal goes on to say they've delivered
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  Speaker 2: their response the latest US amendments to a draft plan
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  Speaker 2: to end the war. According to a regional source, the
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  Speaker 2: Iranian response a signal that the diplomacy is not entirely frozen.
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  Speaker 2: Comes as Trump maintains a US blocking considers new military
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  Speaker 2: action against Iran. Can couple that with and Ryan can
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  Speaker 2: jump in here some drop site reporting, which you know
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  Speaker 2: is somewhat in line with this Axios report about some
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  Speaker 2: exchange going on here. The Axios report makes it sound
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  Speaker 2: a bit more rosy than what you guys have found
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  Speaker 2: though over at drop Site, Right, Ryan.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, though it does seem it does seem like there's
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  Speaker 5: some discussion of talks unfolding. So if you have that Griffin,
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  Speaker 5: so Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Bagey had said yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: She said, look, it's quote not reasonable to expect, you know,
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  Speaker 5: super rapid talks, but added that Pakistan has acted well
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  Speaker 5: and has shown good capability in mediation, saying that Pakistan
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  Speaker 5: will remain the mediator, which that's a kind of positive
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  Speaker 5: sign from them that they're you know, still in entertaining
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  Speaker 5: talk books. He also said, quote, the US and the
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  Speaker 5: Zionist regime are known for breaking their promises. The greatest
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  Speaker 5: guarantee against a repeat of the war is Iran's own power.
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  Speaker 5: He also said anything from the Americans should not be
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  Speaker 5: immediately believed, and you know, oftentimes what the Americans are
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  Speaker 5: saying is misleading. Interesting comment he made. He said, Iran's
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  Speaker 5: priority is to reach a point where quote we can
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  Speaker 5: say the danger of war does not exist. So that's
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  Speaker 5: a very clear expression of kind of the Iranian strategic
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  Speaker 5: goal that they want to get out of this war,
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  Speaker 5: which obviously that's actually pretty reasonable. You would imagine any
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  Speaker 5: country would like to say that danger of war doesn't exist.
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  Speaker 5: So as long as as long as Trump is still
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  Speaker 5: threatening to annihilate their civilization. Then they haven't achieved that
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  Speaker 5: goal yet, and so they want to achieve that either
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  Speaker 5: militarily or diplomatically. He also said, and this is this
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  Speaker 5: goes to the kind of people who are saying, there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of chaos going on in Iran. He said,
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  Speaker 5: quote unity is not a slogan in these sensitive conditions.
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  Speaker 5: We must not go for each other's throats. So for
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  Speaker 5: him to say that publicly suggests, you know, there is
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  Speaker 5: a lot there is intense debate within Iran over you know,
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  Speaker 5: how long to let these negotiations go on or whether
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  Speaker 5: to well, everybody everyone in Iran says, yes, we're preparing
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  Speaker 5: for the war to restart. But then there's there's dispute
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  Speaker 5: about how much kind of how much to give to
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  Speaker 5: with Cough, Kushner dvance Trump in order to keep them
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  Speaker 5: going rather than just prepare for restarting of the war.
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  Speaker 5: But you're right, who knows what to believe? Because it's
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  Speaker 5: it's Friday, We're going into the weekend. Trump wants to
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  Speaker 5: pump the markets, push oil prices or futures down, although
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  Speaker 5: he's colliding with physical reality at this point as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and speaking of that.
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  Speaker 3: We've got two clips here from Trump about a deal
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  Speaker 3: and about building plants all.
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  Speaker 4: Over the country. First, let's hear about that deal.
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  Speaker 6: Really great, Yeah, and that's going to carry forward. And look,
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  Speaker 6: the countries doing really well. And that's despite a military operation.
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  Speaker 6: I don't call it a war, rather military operation. We're
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  Speaker 6: really I mean, Iran is dying to make a deal.
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  Speaker 6: I can only tell you that I don't want to
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  Speaker 6: get into the but they got it. They cannot be
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  Speaker 6: nuclear other than that, but they are. The Navy's gone,
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  Speaker 6: their air force is gone, every ounce of any form
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  Speaker 6: of equipment practically is gone. You know, their drone factories
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  Speaker 6: are about eighty two down, and their missile factories are
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  Speaker 6: almost ninety percent down. And many of their missiles have
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  Speaker 6: been knocked out between the use.
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  Speaker 7: Some we knocked out.
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  Speaker 6: More than they used. And it's pretty it's pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 8: It was that.
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  Speaker 6: But they want to make a deal. But despite the
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  Speaker 6: fact that we are in what some people would call
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  Speaker 6: a war. We just hit a new high today on
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  Speaker 6: the stock market.
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  Speaker 3: Some people are calling it a war. He's calling it
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  Speaker 3: a military excursion. Ryan, Just quickly before we get to
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  Speaker 3: the second clip, you know, Trump mentions nuclear Do you
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  Speaker 3: have any sense through drop sites reporting of where Iran
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  Speaker 3: is in terms of coming to the table in negotiations
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  Speaker 3: with a nuclear deal or is that kind of off
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  Speaker 3: the table for them now?
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  Speaker 5: No, they have They have said that what they would
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  Speaker 5: entertain is, so they have this sixty percent rich uranium,
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  Speaker 5: that they would dilute it, and that they would you know,
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  Speaker 5: dilute it under the supervision of IA supervisors, taking it
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  Speaker 5: down to a place where it's you know, no longer
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  Speaker 5: considered this threat by the United States. They were just
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  Speaker 5: you know, Iraqi was just in Moscow and afterwards Putin
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  Speaker 5: had a call with Trump where Putin floated the idea
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  Speaker 5: of Iran sending the enriched uranium over to Russia. In
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  Speaker 5: the twenty fifteen nuclear deal, Russia took twenty five thousand
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  Speaker 5: pounds of nuclear material enriched highly enriched uranium twenty five
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  Speaker 5: thousand pounds. Right now, the estimate is that they have
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  Speaker 5: something under one thousand pounds, which is amazing. Like, so Obama,
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  Speaker 5: think about that. Obama was able to do a deal
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  Speaker 5: that got twenty five thousand pounds out of Iran into
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  Speaker 5: Russia in exchange for I think they ended up getting
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  Speaker 5: maybe fifty billion dollars or something like that and some
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  Speaker 5: sanctions relief, and now we're doing a war over nine
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  Speaker 5: hundred pounds. So Iran has said, no, we don't want
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  Speaker 5: to send the enriched uranium to a third country. But
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  Speaker 5: the fact that Arachi went to Russia and then Putin
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  Speaker 5: talked to Trump about that possibility suggests that that is
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  Speaker 5: negotiable them.
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  Speaker 9: Well, and then you also have the obvious balance of
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  Speaker 9: Trump threatening to wipe out the entire civilization and then
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  Speaker 9: him saying you're not allowed to have nuclear weapons, like
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  Speaker 9: just to state the obvious, that's where this is going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that it brings us to as I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there's a few other things to say about that Trump
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  Speaker 2: clip and where we are or aren't in the development
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  Speaker 2: of this totally not a war war apparently. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's this requirement that the administration go to Congress after
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  Speaker 2: sixty days. And now the new line from Pete Hagsath
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  Speaker 2: is well, no, no, no, Now that we've got this
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  Speaker 2: cease fire, then you know, the counting stops, so we
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  Speaker 2: don't actually have to do that, which, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me that they're finding some loophole to avoid
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  Speaker 2: any sort of congressional oversight. But in addition, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's at least is I guess heartening to me that
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  Speaker 2: they feel the need to make an excuse at all.
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  Speaker 2: I could certainly envision a world where they're like, sixty days,
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  Speaker 2: who cares, Yeah, good luck you and what army. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to do what we want to do. The facto,
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  Speaker 2: the end result is the same, but at least the
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  Speaker 2: field the need to make some kind of an excuse here.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other piece that I wanted to raise is,
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  Speaker 2: while you have you know this, at least there's some
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  Speaker 2: exchange of information occurring, some potential track, even though you
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  Speaker 2: know the two sides continue to be worlds apart. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think Trump is anywhere close to swallowing the humiliating
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  Speaker 2: defeat it would require to actually do some sort of
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  Speaker 2: war ending deal. So you've got them very far apart,
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  Speaker 2: but at least exchanging some sort of information through mediators.
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  Speaker 2: On the other hand, you also have what appears to
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  Speaker 2: be new preparations for some new strike package, under the
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  Speaker 2: fantasy and illusion that this time if we bomb them,
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  Speaker 2: then this time it'll work, where last time for some
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  Speaker 2: reason it didn't. This time doing the same thing is
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  Speaker 2: magically going to have different results. Tree to Parsi here
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  Speaker 2: highlighting one of the indications that we could be heading
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  Speaker 2: in that direction. US ship sixty five hundred tons of
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  Speaker 2: munitions and equipment to Israel in twenty four hours. Two
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  Speaker 2: cargo ships carried thousands of Aaron ground munitions, military trucks,
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  Speaker 2: and other military equipment. We've also had all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: reporting about new strike packages that were being drawn up
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  Speaker 2: and military plans that were being made and presented to
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  Speaker 2: Trump for him to consider. And we also know that
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  Speaker 2: a whole host of neocons who have been very influential
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  Speaker 2: in Trump's thinking and his strategy to the extent that
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  Speaker 2: you could call it, that they have been insisting that
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  Speaker 2: what is needed is more pressure, more bombing, that that
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  Speaker 2: will then cause Iran to capitulate, that that will bring
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  Speaker 2: them to the table. You also have all kinds of,
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion, delusional thinking about how of we just
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  Speaker 2: enforced the blockade really hard, then in two days, the
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  Speaker 2: whole economy is going to completely explode and collapse, and
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  Speaker 2: it'll be the end of everything. And then I'll come crying,
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  Speaker 2: and then they'll be crying uncle. As Trump put it
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  Speaker 2: in some previous comments.
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  Speaker 9: I was at a meeting about two weeks into the
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  Speaker 9: war that I realized afterwards was actually on the record
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  Speaker 9: where Ron Johnson was talking, and it was like a
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  Speaker 9: small meeting, and Ron Johnson is a pretty earnest guy.
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  Speaker 9: If you disagree with him, you're gonna you know, he's
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  Speaker 9: saying what he thinks basically, and at that point he
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  Speaker 9: referred to the war as a quote two week bombing run,
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  Speaker 9: which I'm thinking back on now is especially interesting because
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  Speaker 9: it's one thing when the President says it, Pete Haiksas
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  Speaker 9: says it, Marco Rubio says, you know, we're we won.
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  Speaker 9: It's a but like this was a sort of normy
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  Speaker 9: Republican who wasn't trying to propagandaize and the like genuinely
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  Speaker 9: believed that this was going to be a two week
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  Speaker 9: bombing run. And Semaphore had a story in the last
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  Speaker 9: couple of days about how Republican senators congressman are now
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  Speaker 9: lose see their patients for the war, and I just again,
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  Speaker 9: I think it's it's an interesting contrast where like, genuinely
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  Speaker 9: they keep believed and had been told by the administration
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  Speaker 9: that this was quote a two week bombing grun.
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  Speaker 2: I read that. I read that report. Sorry, real quick, Ryan,
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  Speaker 2: I read that report in the same way that I
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  Speaker 2: read the baroque revied reports about how upset Trump is
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  Speaker 2: with upset Biden is with Netanyahu, blah blah blah. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: from the Republicans, I'll believe it when I see it.
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  Speaker 9: No, I don't think they're going to do anything about it,
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  Speaker 9: I think, but I do think they were like trying
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  Speaker 9: to complain to the press.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's amazing to think about the fact that they
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  Speaker 5: thought that it was going to work last time in
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  Speaker 5: a couple of days or two weeks, and we're obviously wrong.
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  Speaker 5: It did not. Here we are it's incredible that they
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  Speaker 5: think it will work again because they're in such a
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  Speaker 5: weaker position this time. Like when they started. Here's the
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  Speaker 5: six month last six months, So when we start when
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  Speaker 5: they started this war at the end of February, oil
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  Speaker 5: prices were you know, mid mid sixties and had been
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  Speaker 5: you know, fairly stated for a long time. So they
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  Speaker 5: would now be going in restarting the war with oil
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  Speaker 5: prices well over one hundred dollars a barrel. Meanwhile, we
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  Speaker 5: had you know what two fully operational aircraft carrier striker
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  Speaker 5: groups in the region. We had Israel and the US
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  Speaker 5: had all of its missile defense systems stocked up and
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  Speaker 5: ready to go. We had fully decked out bases in Kuwait, Bahrain, Dubai, Cutter,
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  Speaker 5: Saudi Arabia. All of those have been destroyed. The people
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  Speaker 5: are working out of hotels. Israel is down to double
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  Speaker 5: digit you know, ballistic missile interceptors, which take years to replenish.
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  Speaker 5: It's not like they could re arm in the last
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  Speaker 5: couple of weeks. And so they're going to go into
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  Speaker 5: that with the same idea, but with much less capacity
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  Speaker 5: to operationalize it. And what the Iranians have showed from
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  Speaker 5: the Twelve Day War to this one is that IQ
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  Speaker 5: and education might actually play a substantial role here. Like
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  Speaker 5: they are clearly a lot smarter that the people who
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  Speaker 5: are running, or they have a system that allows their
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  Speaker 5: smarter ideas to come forward, you know what.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, Ryan, I absolutely agree with
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  Speaker 2: you that they are much more intelligent than our leadership.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't even think intelligence is really the problem.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's arrogance. I think that's really the key problem.
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  Speaker 2: The Iranians took us seriously. You know, they knew what
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  Speaker 2: they were up against, and they planned for it. They
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  Speaker 2: thought about it over many years and planned for this,
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  Speaker 2: and after the Twelve Day War, they investigated their own
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  Speaker 2: weaknesses and they figured out, Okay, what can we do better,
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  Speaker 2: what do we need to replenish, you know, how can
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  Speaker 2: we better hide what we've got here, etc. Whereas our
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  Speaker 2: leadership has this incredibly cartoonish view of Iran that they're
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  Speaker 2: all just like unthinking zelots. I don't know, it seems
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  Speaker 2: to me, and I've said this before, that our leadership
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  Speaker 2: bought the propaganda about Iran that has been sold to
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  Speaker 2: our population, whereas maybe in previous generations there was more
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  Speaker 2: intelligence and nuance in an actual understanding understanding of the
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  Speaker 2: Iranian government and the you know, Iran as a country.
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  Speaker 2: This group are you know, they're idiots and they're arrogant.
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  Speaker 2: And I really think that arrogance, both at the specific
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  Speaker 2: leadership level and at the level of empire is what
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  Speaker 2: doomed this to fail. But you know, to your point,
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  Speaker 2: the idea that it's very Israeli logic that one more
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  Speaker 2: bombing campaign is going to secure the peace. I mean
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  Speaker 2: that's yeah, Well, you have more assassinations, one more bombing campaign.
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  Speaker 2: This time, it'll do it this time, you know, our
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  Speaker 2: victory will be assured. And the bottom line is we're
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  Speaker 2: just waiting around to see whether we need more pain
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  Speaker 2: before we accept the humiliating defeat that has already been dealt.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you think about it, and I can't
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  Speaker 2: remember which analyst I was, I was hearing kind of
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  Speaker 2: lay it out this way. But we've got we've got
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  Speaker 2: an army, we've got an air force, we've got a navy. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we tried the air campaign, right, We bombed the hell
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  Speaker 2: out of them. We hit all kinds of targets. We've
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  Speaker 2: you know, murdered little girls at a school and hit
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  Speaker 2: their infrastructure and all the stuff. Right, that didn't work,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not gonna work, and it's never worked. There's
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  Speaker 2: never been. It's an air campaign that has successfully toppled
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  Speaker 2: a government, which is ultimately the goal here at this point. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so that didn't work. Now we've got the navy. We're
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  Speaker 2: doing our blockade, and there's all kinds of hopium around.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if we just do this for two weeks,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to hold all their oil wells they're gonna explode,
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  Speaker 2: They're going to be dead in the water, which very similar, right,
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  Speaker 2: exactly two weeks to depend the curve exactly. And it's again,
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  Speaker 2: we have been sanctioning them for years. Did that cause
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  Speaker 2: their government to collapse and capitulate and come crying uncle
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  Speaker 2: to the table. No, So why do you think it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be different this time? The last thing on
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  Speaker 2: the table is the army some sort of ground invasion. Now,
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  Speaker 2: whether or not the official story about the pilot rescue
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah, is entirely accurate. What we could see
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  Speaker 2: from that is they learned very quickly going in on
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  Speaker 2: the ground in any capacity is going to be a disaster,
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  Speaker 2: a disaster, and Trump is very wary of that level
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  Speaker 2: of on the ground engagement, and rightfully so, because it
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  Speaker 2: would be catastrophic. And American people are not behind this war.
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  Speaker 2: Polling shows it's already as unpopular as the Vietnam War
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  Speaker 2: was at like the worst in you know, at the
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  Speaker 2: worst time, after like after years of being in Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: It took years to get to this point. I think
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  Speaker 2: six years to get to the level of unpopularity that
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  Speaker 2: we're already at with this war. So the American people
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  Speaker 2: are not willing to watch our service members be put
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  Speaker 2: inserted into Iran and come home in body bags. That
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  Speaker 2: is not something that we are going to support. We
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  Speaker 2: don't support going to the gas pump and spending what
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  Speaker 2: we have to spend there already. So the landscape for
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  Speaker 2: Trump is very constraining and utterly disastrous. So if Okay,
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  Speaker 2: the air Force isn't gonna work, the Navy's not gonna work,
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to do the ground invasion. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the only other thing would be nuclear weapons. Even that
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  Speaker 2: you would have to you know, the number of nukes
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  Speaker 2: you would have to drop even to get them to
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  Speaker 2: capitulate as insane, And of course that would be an
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  Speaker 2: insane action to take and truly would kick off God
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  Speaker 2: only knows what. That's what's on the table. There are
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: no good options here, and Trump, as much as he
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: wants to post his way through it, and he's been
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: very savvy, I have to say the markets. You know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: he's done a good job manipulating the markets and buying
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: him some self some time, et cetera. But ultimately, at
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's just a matter of
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: time before we have to accept the reality that has
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: been revealed by this disastrous war.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: And speaking of gas pumps and accepting realities, we've got
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: some updates on state gas prices all across the nation.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Every single state has higher gas prices today compared to
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: a week ago. Big jumps in Indiana plus eighty four cents,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Michigan plus seventy two cents, Ohio is sixty cents, Illinois
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: thirty nine cents, New Mexico thirty seven cents. So that
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: does seem to be the only thing right now that
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Americans are specifically reacting to. And we also have a
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: little clip I want to play here from Steve Scalise
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: on gas prices.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: Let's take a listen. You think there's any way that
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: your party holds on in November to the house.
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, And look it's a path that is focused on
• 19:40
  Speaker 10: turnout number one and delivery what we've delivered to finally
• 19:45
  Speaker 10: start turning this mess around that we inherited a year
• 19:48
  Speaker 10: and a half ago. People that will remember you go
• 19:51
  Speaker 10: back two years ago, we were paying almost six dollars
• 19:55
  Speaker 10: a gallon for gasoline. Right now it's in the threes. Obviously,
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: we've seen a a jump with the Iran.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Conflict when we're paying six fifth well two and a half.
• 20:07
  Speaker 10: Years ago, but you look at that, wasn't at where
• 20:10
  Speaker 10: we are net We're we're over thirty percent below where
• 20:13
  Speaker 10: we were just two years ago. Today we are thirty
• 20:16
  Speaker 10: percent below where we were two years ago. It's still
• 20:19
  Speaker 10: going to go lower when Iran gets resolved in the
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: strait of hor Moose gets open.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, did anybody want a nuclear
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: on Iran?
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: So that's woke a Ronnie and Media s squawk box
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: here challenging the six dollars rate from Steve Scillies.
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: I'm reading from a the New York Oh sorry, Crystal,
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: I'm just reading from the New York NBC affiliate or
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: just an NBC affiliate here, where an expert is quoted
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: saying rising tax refunds were outpacing the increased burden of
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: gasoline spending two to one in March and April. With
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: tax refund season winding down and gas price is still climbing,
• 20:57
  Speaker 9: the hit to consumer spending will become more evident from May.
• 21:02
  Speaker 9: So just think about that. So, even if you were
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: getting a refund and it was helping with gas prices,
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: that's what the polling that's with where the polling was
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: in the last couple of months. Imagine where the polling
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: is going to go now as people are not supplementing
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: with like tax refunds. That's you know, like that that
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: was what just that's already happened. So that's what Republicans
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: are staring down the barrel of in the months ahead
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: with there's a reason that we keep introducing, or we
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: keep interviewing Professor Pape, which is that this is our
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: this is the argument, which is that it's it keeps
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: getting worse and worse. You're trapped in this cycle. Uh
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: so unless Trump can figure out a way to to
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: wiggle out of that, they're looking at actually conditions continuing
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: to get worse or worse.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I love how we just makes
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: it up like gas was not six dollars scallon. Maybe
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: someplace it was, but you know, in terms of the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: National Hour, I mean, it's just completely fabricated. And then
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: the line that multiple Republicans are going with now, including
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: you know, high level of the administration, is oh, well,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: what would you pay to keep Iran from having a nuke?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, we didn't have to pay anything.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Because they were willing to give up their nuclear problem
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: back in the JCPOA for one that you all blew up,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and then number two again according to the Omani's before
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: you started this new bombing campaign. And in fact, what
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: we're doing is we are paying at the pump so
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: that Iran is more likely to pursue a nuclear weapon.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: So that is what we're actually paying for, is to
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: help create a nuclear Iran, which you know at this
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: point is some intelligent logic for them given the the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: geostrategic landscape that we have ourselves created.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Actually we should we should pull that. You want to
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: team up a drop site and we can. It's not
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: that expensive. We should ask that polling question, how much
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: would you pay extra at the pump to guarantee let's
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: assume you can even guarantee it, to guarantee that Ron
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: never gets a nuclear weapon? Like zero, you know, zero
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: to fifty cents, fifty cents to a dollar, a dollar
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: to fifty like and I think I think overwhelmingly people
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: will be like zero or maybe zero to five cents.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: Maybe if somebody.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Would something, is there a negative option? Can I pay
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: less gas?
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: Yes, we'll we'll menagure they actually guarantee they do.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Get it right.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's where we're but that's the reality
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: of the situation that we're in, is actually we are
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: paying more to help them get a nuke, which I
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: mean they look they like it is logical for them
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: to do, and I actually do think it would make
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the region more stable if they had this deterrent. And
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: this is someone, you know, I'm speaking of, someone who
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: would love to live in a world where we could
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: reduce nuclear weapons and you know, have deterrence that doesn't
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: involve the potential catastrophic destruction of the entire world. But
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm also dealing with the reality of what
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: we live in. But I would say, though, Ryan, even like,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: let's say we did that poll, it's a very hard
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: thing to pull these things in the abstract because I
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: remember when we started, when the Ukraine War kicked off
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: with Russia's invasion, and there was pulling to that effect
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: of asking people like, are you willing to pay higher
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: gas prices to support back Ukraine and effectively this proxy war,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and people were like, yes, absolutely, and then when they
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: went to the polls, they were like absolutely not. So yeah,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: so I you know, it's it's a difficult thing to
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: really get it, get it see into the heart of
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: the Median American voter.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: So we can solve it by we will put these
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: poles up as gas station TV ads right there at.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: The pub brilliant grib you have to pay and so
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: and so. That's where we're going.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: To get part of it.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I like, I listen, they're not that expensive. Maybe we'll
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: put up some DP polling at gas stations. That could
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: be a fun homework assignment for me. But if there's
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: anything else on around before we move over to go
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: a little bit Grand Platiner News and Maine, well good.
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: I'll just say Republicans are going to have to run
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: on this war and all of their districts. They're going
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: to have to go home. They're on the ballot, They're
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: going to have to go home and say this war
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: is a good thing. I support the President over and
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: over again from now until November. That's especially going to
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: kick up over the summer and after Labor Day as
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: they hit the campaign trail more and more.
• 25:23
  Speaker 11: So.
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: I don't really know that they have much power over Trump.
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: Obviously they have power, but that would require them to
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: Steeve Scalice's point to potentially anger their own base. You know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: he said, these are base elections. They are base elections.
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: So do you want to depress? I mean, Trump has
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: already done some work depressing MAGA people. As much as
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: he thinks like one hundred percent MEGA voters are with him,
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: those numbers have actually dipped. They're still high, but they've dipped.
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: So you already have depressed magabase. And then if you
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: have these certain districts where the boomers love the Iran
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: war and other MAGA voters hate it, and you have
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: a candidate who was owning it and not willing to
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: grapple honestly with what some of their own voters think.
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: In a rural place where gas prices are really high
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: and fertilizer is hard to come by. I got a
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: note from my cousin the other day about the problems
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: with fertilizer, like it's bad and normal people are starting
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: to feel it. And Republicans have from now in November
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: to hear from their voters about it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: So yeah, Jolie, I have a question for you on that.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: What what are they going to do? Are there going
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: to be any defections? Because Trump has made it clear
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: that he's given up on the mid terms. He doesn't
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: care about these people. So are they going to are
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: they going to rebel? Are there going to be any
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: outliers saying hey, you know what's wrap this war up?
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Or is it going to be more kind of gas
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: lighting Steve Scalise style.
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's like you've got Thomas Massey and you
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: have like then the establishment people like Tom Tillis, who's
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: you know, not on the ballot again. So he's definitely
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: trying to make that point. Trump capitulated to him on
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: Kevin Warsh and Jay Powell, so that he's already trying
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: to like extract more concessions from it. But no, I mean,
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: I don't think. I think so long as you have
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: eighty five percent of MAGA still in love with Trump, Republicans,
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: that's the their bed. They have to lie in it.
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: They made their bed and they have to lie in it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: So that's a huge lever of control that the Trump
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: supporting magabase has over Republican candidates in elections right now.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: But why don't we look northward for a moment to
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: the state of Maine, where big apologies to all of
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: the Janet Mills militia, Mills Mafia. They Janet Mills has
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: dropped out, making Graham Platner the presumptive Democratic nominee for
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Maine Senate. And why don't we start with a little
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: video fear.
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: That the Mills militias has surrendered to the Nazis.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: They've been routed the Maine. Yes, but why don't we
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: take a look at our last hope to stop.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I'm spending a lot of time on a blue sky
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: with those takes.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, maybe I should.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: That'd be Also, you're if Emily was huge on Blue Sky.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: There's there's one last chance to stop the Platinum menace.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Here with Susan Collins, let's take a listen to her
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: her reaction to these updates in the race.
• 28:32
  Speaker 12: I'm sure this was a very difficult session for Governor Mills,
• 28:38
  Speaker 12: and I wish her well. She has devoted her life
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: to public service in the state of Maine. In many
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: different capacities. She has served the people of our state,
• 28:58
  Speaker 12: and I'm sure this was a hard decision for her.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Will Platner be easier to be?
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: In your view, I'm not going to get into the
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: November election at this point. This is the Governor's day,
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: and I think the focus should be on her and
• 29:22
  Speaker 12: her wanting to give her message to the people.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Of May riveting stuff and correct me if I'm wrong. Ryan.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: But did Janet Mills then endorse grand Platner say that
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: you're going.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: To vote for him instead?
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: She She did not. She very explicitly said that she
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: would not be voting for Susan Collins, but she left
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: open the possibility then of what she would be doing.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: But you won't vote for the Republican, Okay.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: She said something like, I will carefully watch grand Plattner's
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: race and see, you know, as I do with all races,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: and maye or some blah blah blah like that. Yeah,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah. Schumer did jump in, uh, you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: behind Platner, which is obviously very different from his approach
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: with Zorn Mom Donnie in his own state, and pretty
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: remarkable given that they share, you know, some very similar views,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: especially on Israel, which of course was a problem for
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: for Schumer. I do want to, just before we, you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: jump into that aspect of it, just pause and reflect
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: on what an extraordinary, what an extraordinary long shot campaign
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: this was. This man grand Bladder had never run for
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: office before. Started his race very early, you know, we
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: interviewed him, of course here, very early, and he was
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: up against the sitting governor of Maine, who is not
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: disliked in Maine by the way. I mean, her approval
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: rating is not like amazing, but it's not terrible either,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: and Democrats had like sort of you know, they were
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: they were fine with her, but they really were impressed
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: with Platner. So when Mills gets in, of course there's
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: this huge opo dump, and there was plenty there to
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: work with, from the tattoo to all the Reddit posts
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: to even you know, his history and his story about
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: his military service and how long you continue to serve,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and then you know, working with this you know, with
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: this contractor in Afghanistan as well, And so there was
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: a real national consensus that this was going to be
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the end of him. That you know, people were going
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: to look at that and say, oh god, we can't
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: have this guy. We need the electable can at Janet Mills.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And that is just not what happened at all. In fact,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the polar opposite happened. People became more fervently committed to
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Graham Plattner and his Poles just continued to rise to
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: the place where it was undeniable. He was going to
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: emerge victorious. Now there's all kinds of squabbling right now,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and pieces being written of this one leaking and that
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: one leaking about how Schumer abandoned her and didn't put
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: enough money behind her, et cetera, et cetera. But truly,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: whatever the behind the scenes intern imaginations were, truly the
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: bottom line here is that you had Graham Platner compared
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to Janet Mills, much younger, really forceful on Israel, really
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: forceful on fighting against oligarchs. And this is where the
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Normy Democratic base is at this point. They were not
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: swayed by the electability arguments, which was most of what
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: you know, the Mills camp really were offering.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Here.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, Susan Collins is going to chew them up and
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: split him out. I think that is so different from
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: what would have unfolded in previous cycles, and it also
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: makes it very difficult. You know what we heard from
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: with Zora Mom Donnie's Oh, well that's New York City,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: it's blue, it's totally different. Well, here you have Maine.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: You know, it's very sort of like normy state a
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: lot of blue collar workers, the state that a lot
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: of ways has been left behind as well, with relatively
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: high poverty. And you know, you can't. You can no
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: longer just blame the commie corridor, Tyson, the DSA types
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: for wanting this type of candidate at this point.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: And one last one, last one here is that the
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: polls consistently showed that Graham Plattner is a stronger candidate
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: versus Susan Collins then Janet Mills was. And I think
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: that also just completely blows the minds. I mean, they
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: just can't accept, you know, the general national consensus, the
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: sort of establishment democratic mindset, just can't accept that he
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: actually genuinely is a stronger candidate versus Susan Collins.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Go for it, Ryde.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: In the interesting, in the in the like caddy backbiting
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: pieces that are emerging with people pointing fingers at each other.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: To me, the most substantial thing that emerged was Schumer's
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: camp saying Okay, here are all the problems with Mills's
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: camp and why it's actually her fault. But on the
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: point of us not spending enough money for her, we
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: couldn't because it would have been too politically toxic because Graham.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: I got that right here for you.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so Graham. In other words, Graham had too
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: much support from a a majority of Democrats in the state,
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: and therefore Schumer coming in would have been going up
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: against a majority of the voters, and there would have
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: been then too much blowback against him and the National
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: Party for meddling in Maine.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Well, and sure is so unpopular himself, right that it
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: would likely not help Janet Mills too. I mean, she
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: already was seen as the Schumer candidate, and that was
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: part of the problem for her.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: And they dropped, they dropped the negative ads, they went
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: for it, and the polling yawned even further. Or the
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: after the negative ads from Mills came out, and then
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Collins super pack funded by billionaires who have destroyed Maine
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: came out. They were actually not even as good like
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: Mills had the fancy like AI voice, which is extremely unethical,
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: but you know, they they were. They put they put
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: the AI a platin er through the Reddit posts, whereas
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: the Collins post did the same thing. But they weren't
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: even as well done. And I don't see how those
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: are going to work either, And Emily, really curious for
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: your take on this. He already has center left and
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: the left locked up. Now Collins is gonna is gonna
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: run our campaign, and I'm seeing all the Republicans calling
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: him a Nazi and saying that like making insensitive comments
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: about women who are sexually assaulted. So on what plan?
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: On what plan? Does that work with the right?
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: The right has spent the last couple of decades getting
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: called a knot or thinking they're always getting called Nazis.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: Whether they're getting called Nazis or not, they it's part
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: of their identity that they're under siege and always being
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: called Nazis. And now all of a sudden you've got
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: the super Pack calling another guy a Nazi. Isn't that
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: going to make them be like, well, actually maybe he's
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: one of us falsely being hughes of being a Nazi.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: By how is this going to work on the right?
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Like all of a sudden, Feminists, are they all of
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: a sudden just believing accusations that you're a Nazi?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: No?
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: I sent this to you guys yesterday. The first statement
• 36:15
  Speaker 9: that the RNC put out called Graham Plattner a Nazi. Yes,
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: and one of the one of the reasons that the
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: Mills campaign obviously did not work is because people those
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: attacks just don't They don't work on Democrats even like,
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: let alone Republicans. To your point, Ryan, but obviously what
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: they're going for in this race is going to be
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: like independents. And I will say Susan Collins is notoriously
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: hard to beat. She puts up a hell of a fight.
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: Whatever you think of Susan Collins, that woman has shown
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: a wild proclivity to hang on to the seat, or
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: a wild ability to hang on to that seat, despite
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: where the polls seemed to look at different points. So
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: like that was what was your name, Sarah Gideon right
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: the last time around the cycle? Yeah, you go back,
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: cycle left cycle. You can bet a lot of money
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: is going to pour in. But it's truly like it
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: reminds me Ryan actually of that John Ossoff ad that
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: everyone was talking about on X over the course of
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: this week, which I'm sure you guys saw, but it
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: was like as off running not on any cultural war issues.
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: In fact, in the ad he calls the culture war distraction,
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: which Platner has as well. We don't have to debate that,
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: but It's a really good political line because he puts
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: that in the back burner and then deals with these
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: like kitchen table issues of corruption causing average Americans pain
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: and what Chrystal you could probably speak to this too.
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: What win some Seares did in Virginia was say that, like,
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: we can coast on Dems being woke, like let's just
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: we're just gonna throw the culture war at Abigail Spaandberger
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: over and over again and not really deal with the
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: affordability stuff in a super high profile or it's we're
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: not going to make that like a huge thrust or
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: the only thrust of our campaign. And they've had these
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: examples to learn from over and over again. But right away,
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: right out the gate, it's Platner is a Nazi. Uh So,
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: enjoy how that works out for you guys.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Well, and the thing with a Winsome Steers campaign too,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: is that if you're the one running all of the
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: like trans bathroom and trans sports ads, then people go withity.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Y'all are the ones that are obsessed with this issue.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: You know. Abigail Spamberger is over here. Actually she did
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of like the national security dem type of
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: thing in Virginia, but she also did a lot of
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: affordability messaging as well. You know, I will see what
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: happens in the race, but I do think that things
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: have become so polarized in partisan now it's hard for
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: me to see how Susan Collins hangs on and you
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: have such I mean, the generic ballot like gap in
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: favor of Dems at this point is really quite extraordinary.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: One thing Ryan I wanted to ask you is in
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: terms of the disparate treatment of Platner versus Mom Donnie,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: when they share very similar political ideology. If anything, I'd
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: say Platner has been a little more rough around the
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: edges in terms of how he's talked about Israel and
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Hamas and these sorts of things than zor On. There's
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: you know, more to work with there if you're trying
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: to sort of demonize him. I mean, is this is
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Schumer's different approach, a recognition of where the Democratic base is,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: or is it just racism that when he hears it
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: from a white guy he can stomach it. When he
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: hears it from brown Muslim it's not acceptable.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: I think some of it's racism, Maybe some of it's
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: his backyard and then some of it is different tactical environments.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: I think if Mills dropped out and was like, Maine
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: is a state where independence, uh is, you know, is elevated?
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Is is? You know, I'm and I am considering running
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: as an independent, you know, just like Angus King is
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: an independent in Maine. Then maybe Schumer keeps his powder dry.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: And so in New York.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Cuomo like Alaska.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and in New York he had Cuomo as the independent,
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: and so it's embarrassing for a Democrat to not back
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: the Democrat. But he you know, he would rather win
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: with Guomo than be embarrassed and back Donnie. So I
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: think he was left with no choice. In Maine, it's
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: like this is the guy, like he is the nominee
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: and she's not running as an independent. So I think
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: that distinction played a role too, But I don't know,
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Like so, I think some of it's also just you know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: racism and and rooted in kind of who they are.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, why don't we take a listen to the
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: man himself speaking to John Stewart this week.
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: There has been more reach out and I would say
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: more kind of like establishment folks. However, however, this is
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: the important part, not from like the not from like
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: the d SCC, not from the DNC like that, like
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: nobody in the places of power remains interested.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: But they're lost, dude, like they do that.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: They're lost.
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: And the thing that bothers me the most isn't like
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: I'm not I'm not asking for you to like be
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: my friend. I'm just but you should be curious because
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: I'm pulling forty points ahead, right Like, at least at
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: least just reach out and be like, hey, what are
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: you actually because we've never They've never they've never spoken ever,
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: I've never gotten a phone call.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: They never got a phone call.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I think it was Hassan who said it looked like
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: a chaud think like a woke that's flattener. That's the
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: winning model. But you know, Ryan, I think you identified
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: actually the biggest pitfall for him, which is that Tim
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Wallas is about to come campaign for him in the state.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: And as much as we might get irritated, like why
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: isn't the party even reaching out to him, on the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: other hand, it's actually really great for him to be
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: like to have some separation from the Democratic Party brand
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: because we all know the Democratic Party brand is extremely toxic,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Like every died in the wool Democrat is going to
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: vote for Graham flatten Er. The question is people who
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: are you know, more independent and sort of disgusted with
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: national Democrats, are they going to be on board with him?
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: And so the more that he's sort of like subsumed
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: now into that standard issue Democratic Party brand, I actually
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: think that that's like a more of apparel for him
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: than anything else.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: Like Dan Osborne, Right, yeah, I would have Osborne come
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: out there if I were in Graham's Can I have
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: Osborne come out? I keep having Sean Fain and other
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: union leaders come out. Bernie's Bernie. But Tim Walls maybe
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: old Tim Walls before he was Yeah, but he's he's
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: tainted by that the VP run, It's yeah, that is
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: the risk that he starts to look like part of
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: the like bog but I assume that he gets that.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it comes Tim Walls, So we'll keep an
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: eye out.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: It's interesting that Tim Wall's decided, like of all the
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: candidates that let me go, let me go campaign with
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: this one, that's kind of an interesting choice to me.
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: After Mills drops out too.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Before that, but his campaign manager and Graham had a
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: press conference yesterday afternoon, and one of the things this
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: campaign managers said on there is that they I don't
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: have the exact number, but they had they started doing
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: the math on the number of individuals that he had
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: spoken to directly, and it was something like approaching like scale,
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: like they have they have taken like there's these one
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: on one conversations that he's had at all of these
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: town halls, and they're scaling it up into the tens
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: or even hundreds of thousands.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: So, and they were saying that that when they did
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: some research and polling, they kept coming across people in
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: their polling huge numbers who's whose reason that they were
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: supporting Platners that they had met Platner personally and persuaded
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: by him. That is an incredible buffer against the negative ads. Yeah,
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: teeming like I saw that guy.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I saw Semaphore had a piece quoting some I don't know,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: you know, Republican strategists who we're like, Oh, we're gonna
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: you know, we're going to destroy him. We're going to
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: drop all this money on him, We're going to do
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: all these negative ads. And it's like, I mean, I'm
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: sure they'll be able to bang up his favorability rating some,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: but it's not like the millspeople and Sumer people didn't try, so,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: you know, I think he is going somewhat inoculated from
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: the type of attacks that they've been launching. Unless they
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: have something different that we haven't yet seen. You never know.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: But your point about main is an important one. And
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I don't have any like deep familiarity with the state,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: but from watching you know, you guys report are there
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: and Alex Heitzwald who also moved back to Maine and
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: has been doing reporting on the ground there. And I
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: also have a close friend who's like grew up in
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Maine and he okay, he grew up in Maine, hasn't
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: lived there in years, and he still was like, what
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: was that guy's name who you said is running and
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: he like reached out to his buddy, and of course
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: had some kind of a connection to him. Because it's
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: a very small state and it's much more there. There's
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: still my senses, there's still a lot more sort of
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: like community cohesion in Maine than there is in a
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: lot of the country, and that's part of what has
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: allowed Susan Collins to be able to win for so
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: long because she you know, are a lot of people
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: there are like I know her personally and she did
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: this and I saw her there or whatever. But it's
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: also something that can benefit Graham because he is deeply
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: immersed in you know, main community and has been running
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: a campaign and even before his campaign he was a
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: you know, grossroots organizer and this is what he was doing.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: So I do think that that is a huge advantage
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: for him and will help to inoculate him against some
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: of those negative attacks that are inevitably coming.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the negative attack, negative attacks. I'm going to
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: give some advice to the Republican Opera for a second.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: It can't be that he's a Nazi, but maybe the
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: tattoo he has is actually trance somehow, like maybe it's
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: part of the is.
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: The trans socialist militia.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Exactly there or and it's actually it has its roots
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: in Black Lives Matter. So I would go that direction
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: with the tattoo.
• 46:13
  Speaker 9: I mean, there is some like culture stuff that they
• 46:16
  Speaker 9: can make inroads with him on. But what Main Democrats
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: just showed I think is going to apply to main
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: voters overall. They have serious affordability concerns, they have kitchen
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: table problems and they want somebody who is going to
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: address that first and foremost, So they don't trust the
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: political establishment. Susan Collins is the political establishment. The difference
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: in some of these, especially like more rural states, is
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: that Susan Conns comes across as the antithesis. Uh and
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: to us that might seem strange, but she comes across
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: as the antithesis to some people of DC politics because
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: she's on the ground. She's a very good grassroots politician.
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: She goes to all of the events she's she's that's
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: how she's been able to hang on and she votes
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: against her own party sometimes and big decisions, not always,
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: but sometimes in these big decisions. So that is what
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: they'll have to contend with. But if it's just going
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: to be cultural war attacks, that's obviously not going to work.
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: It didn't work for Andrew Cuomo, it's not going to
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: work in May either.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: We mentioned Tim Walls and the Democratic Party stained by
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four race, So I thought we should
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: end this segment with a very interesting interview on Pod
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Save America between John Fabreau and DNC chair Ken Martin. Now,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: there has been a twenty twenty four autopsy on the
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four race, why what happened, why they lost,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: and it's been kept under lock and key to which
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: John Fabreau has some questions about.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Why Ken has not released it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: This is a little long and a little inside baseball,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: but I think it's worked.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: A listen, let's take a listen.
• 47:56
  Speaker 13: I want to start with the twenty twenty four autopsy,
• 47:57
  Speaker 13: which you call an after action review. When you won
• 48:00
  Speaker 13: the chairmanship in February of twenty five, you criticize the
• 48:03
  Speaker 13: DNC's refusal to release their twenty sixteen autopsy. Is exactly
• 48:08
  Speaker 13: what not to do. You said, quote, was there any
• 48:10
  Speaker 13: utility in doing that? And then promised your twenty twenty
• 48:13
  Speaker 13: four autopsy would be different. Your exact quote was, of
• 48:16
  Speaker 13: course it will be released. Why did you change your
• 48:19
  Speaker 13: mind on that?
• 48:20
  Speaker 11: Well, look, I mean what I said all along, even
• 48:22
  Speaker 11: when I ran for this position, is that we were
• 48:25
  Speaker 11: going to focus on the things that will help us
• 48:27
  Speaker 11: win the upcoming election, right, making sure that we learned
• 48:31
  Speaker 11: the right lessons that could help inform our victories. And
• 48:35
  Speaker 11: that's what we'd done. We said this when we sent
• 48:38
  Speaker 11: out the press release back in November, saying we weren't
• 48:40
  Speaker 11: going to release the report. We were going to actually
• 48:42
  Speaker 11: keep our focus on those lessons, and we release those lessons.
• 48:46
  Speaker 11: We continue to do that, so it's not completely accurate
• 48:49
  Speaker 11: to say that we didn't release that. Where we're keeping
• 48:51
  Speaker 11: our focus is on the lessons that can actually help
• 48:54
  Speaker 11: us win.
• 48:54
  Speaker 13: On this show in August, you told me this about
• 48:57
  Speaker 13: releasing the review. Quote, we have to do it to
• 49:00
  Speaker 13: give people who invested so much time, energy and money
• 49:03
  Speaker 13: a sense of what happened and why we lost, especially
• 49:07
  Speaker 13: why we lost. So what change between August and December?
• 49:10
  Speaker 13: I understand there are lessons, but those are not the
• 49:13
  Speaker 13: full report. Why not release the full report? What's in
• 49:16
  Speaker 13: the report that you wouldn't want to publicize?
• 49:19
  Speaker 11: Yeah, there's no smoking gun in the report, and I
• 49:21
  Speaker 11: know that's what everyone's so eager to learn, and I
• 49:23
  Speaker 11: think this smoking gun.
• 49:25
  Speaker 13: Guess what, John, But if there's no smoking gun, why
• 49:26
  Speaker 13: wouldn't you just release it then?
• 49:28
  Speaker 11: Because we want to keep the focus on the lessons,
• 49:31
  Speaker 11: because what ends up happening here is that people, of
• 49:34
  Speaker 11: course want to weaponize the report in a way to
• 49:36
  Speaker 11: look backwards, to point fingers, place blame in a way
• 49:39
  Speaker 11: that actually doesn't keep us focused on the upcoming election,
• 49:42
  Speaker 11: but instead the navel gazing focusing backwards actually takes us backwards.
• 49:48
  Speaker 11: We're one hundred and eighty nine days from this election. John,
• 49:51
  Speaker 11: What we don't need to be focused on is actually
• 49:53
  Speaker 11: re litigating twenty twenty four. What we need to do
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: is learn the lessons of twenty four in the years
• 49:59
  Speaker 11: proceeding that can help us win this upcoming election. I
• 50:02
  Speaker 11: get why people are obsessed with it, because there's various
• 50:05
  Speaker 11: groups and organizations and people who think there's some sort
• 50:08
  Speaker 11: of smoking gun in there. Guess what, Seohn, in the
• 50:10
  Speaker 11: third closest presidential election in the last one hundred years,
• 50:13
  Speaker 11: everything mattered. There's nothing that going to impact that election.
• 50:17
  Speaker 13: Why did you spend the money going to fifty states,
• 50:21
  Speaker 13: doing all these interviews, doing all this stuff, if and
• 50:23
  Speaker 13: doing this report in the first place, if you weren't
• 50:27
  Speaker 13: going to release the full results of it, Like, I
• 50:30
  Speaker 13: don't get why just you and some of the senior
• 50:33
  Speaker 13: DNC people get to see it, but not most of
• 50:36
  Speaker 13: the DNC members who are you.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: Know, state party chairs?
• 50:40
  Speaker 13: I mean, you know, more than a dozen DNC members
• 50:42
  Speaker 13: told NBC just the other week they want it released,
• 50:44
  Speaker 13: including Congresswoman Delia Ramirez in North Carolina, Democratic Party chair
• 50:48
  Speaker 13: Anderson Clayton and Anderson said, quote.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: Genuinely, what did you all find that we did not?
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: And just the top comment on YouTube for that Podsi've
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: interview is we are so fought.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: So guys, I'm a great sentiment.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna put the question to you, what could the
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: lesson possibly be that is being hidden here?
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's pretty obvious at this point. They
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: just they don't want to put out that the funding
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: and supporting of pagenocide and Gaza was actually a political
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: prob It was not only a moral atrocity, but was
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: also a political problem for them. I think it's pretty
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: clear at this point. But you know, I Ryan, I'm
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: curious if you have anything on this. The first of all,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: we just have to pause and reflect on what he's
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: trying to sell there, which is he's like, we need
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: to not look backwards, but we do need to learn
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: the lessons so we can win. Well, it's like, but
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: the whole point of this was to learn the lessons
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: so that you could win. It reminds me very much
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: of the Republicans who, whenever they'd get asked about whether
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: or not twenty twenty was rigged and whether or not
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump really won and Joe Biden was the rightful president. Oh,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't look backwards. We shouldn't look backwards, clearly just
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: trying to dodge all of this, the way his handle
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: is so full of Because let's say you put out
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: the full report and it did say something that was
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: inconvenient about Gaza, like that would be old news by now,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: no one would be talking about it anymore. It would
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: be you know, we'd be obvious three thousand news cycles
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: later at this point. But because they didn't release it,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: now it's this whole thing. I did see, though, Ryan,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: some speculation on Twitter that perhaps they didn't even completely
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: finish the report and that might be part of why
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: they never put it out. So I don't know if
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: that is possibly part of what's going on.
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: I think that's plausible, and I also think so think
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: think about what it was what mid July? When did
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: when did he finally know? When did he finally drop out?
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: It was like August, right before the right before the convention?
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Ish, when did Sager get married? Because that's what that's.
• 52:48
  Speaker 9: When he dropped down?
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in any event.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: So in a period, in a very short period, they
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: raised and spent a billion dollars billion. Yeah, and these
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: are very there are very specific. It's not they is
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: very broad. There are very specific consultants and factions and
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: people that spent that billion dollars. Who did they, how
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: did they spend it, who did they give it to?
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: What consultants walked away with tens of millions, what firms
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: got paid hundreds of millions. Because we're talking like a
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: billion dollars is that's an endless amount of money. It's
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: difficult to spend that amount of money and that amount
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: of time, And so I think that's also they don't
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: want those details necessarily spilled out because a they will
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: be weaponized by other consultants who felt like they should
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: have been the ones that got to spend all of
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: this money. And also just generally, it gives people like
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: us information that we can talk about and like, wow,
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: one hundred and ninety million dollars doing this, that didn't work,
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: Like you should be in jail. So I think that
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: I think that's a significant part of it too, that
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: there's so much money involved that it's just better for
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: them to say, well, we learned some lessons, trust us
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: that these are the correct lessons that we should learn
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: from this and just follow follow our guidance going forward,
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: don't worry.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: And what are the correct lessons being released that are
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: that are okay for Norvile's eyes to view? Is it
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: that we need to pivot more to the right, that
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: we need to not talk about trans issues? What are
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: these lessons that have.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: Actually what even are the lessons they said? Ken Martin said,
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: I think the lessons are don't be mean to me
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: and let let please please my job rn.
• 54:43
  Speaker 9: What's the Barney Frank thing? Didn't Barney Frank come out
• 54:47
  Speaker 9: like I actually assume it's probably similar to that. Didn't
• 54:49
  Speaker 9: Barney Frank come out this week? Crystal you might know
• 54:51
  Speaker 9: this too and say.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just saw the headline He's like dying and
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: decided to as his last act on Earth to release
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: some book bashing the LA left talking about how my
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: point which is actually a perfect, perfect legacy for him
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, love Barney Frank.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: So just you know that Pod Save America comment or
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: I think we are all feeling that way right now.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Favra, though he did a great job
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: of at and you know, very persistent, really good lines
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: of questioning, and it is inside baseball, there's no doubt
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: about it. But it's still, you know, very important to
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: see the way that this apparatus functions or doesn't function,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: who it protects, what messages they find it convenient to
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: put out, and what things say want to keep hidden forever.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: And also just to me again, the mind blowing incompetence
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: of not understanding the way that the media works, and
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: that it's going to be such so much more of
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: an interesting story if it remains hidden versus if you
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: just took the blow, put it out, and then everybody
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: can just move.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: On absolutely all right, Well that is the Democrats, that's main.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Why don't we move on to a little AI story, Emily.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: There was a New York Times opinion piece by this woman,
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Jasmine's son, who talked to a lot of people in
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: the AI industry. She says that she spent the last
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: three months talking to dozens of researchers, economics and policy
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: experts about AI's impact on work. The AI industry is
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: raising the alarm, but can't change course. These companies core
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: business model relies on the disruption. They are warning about
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: their faith in full automation only makes them go faster.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Policymakers are waking up, but still paralyzed by data and debates.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Econ wonks disagree on plenty, but even the limited scenario
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: looks like a painful transition that will disempower millions of
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: workers into an underclass well.
• 56:54
  Speaker 9: And this comes as the news this week of pretty
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: big layoffs at Meta, which Brandon and I covered on Wednesday.
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: Other tech companies have undergone similar layoffs. By the way,
• 57:04
  Speaker 9: they're getting lots of money from the government right now,
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: are lots of privileges at the very least from the
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: government right now. So I always love to see that
• 57:11
  Speaker 9: when people are getting government privileges and then also laying
• 57:15
  Speaker 9: off tens of thousands of workers or thousands of workers.
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: So obviously there's panic right now in Silicon Valley. They're
• 57:21
  Speaker 9: the ones who told everybody to learn the code, and they,
• 57:26
  Speaker 9: because they were smarter than the rest of us, they
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: did learn to code. And they've now found themselves in
• 57:31
  Speaker 9: quite a predicament because a lot of those, certainly entry
• 57:35
  Speaker 9: level and mid level jobs can be consolidated. And this
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: is I mean, there's debate in Silicon Valley. And I'm curious, Crystal,
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: particularly what you think about this on how much you
• 57:48
  Speaker 9: can actually replace humans with generative AI, to what degree
• 57:54
  Speaker 9: you still need some human element. But I actually think
• 57:57
  Speaker 9: we're starting to get the answer because the layoff and
• 58:00
  Speaker 9: the positions just being like wiped from databases, like they're
• 58:04
  Speaker 9: not hiring for certain positions anymore. That's starting to give
• 58:08
  Speaker 9: us an answer. If they think they can replace those workers,
• 58:11
  Speaker 9: obviously they're doing it at this point. So we're just
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: seeing the tip of the iceberg, I think in the economy.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And part of the point that this woman makes
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: in this article actually is that even as it's unknowable
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: exactly how many humans can be replaced by AI number one,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you have all of the top AI CEOs saying this
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: is what we're doing, this is the goal, this is
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: the direction we're heading in. You see the impact already
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: with coders to your point, with college new college graduates
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: graduating and sending out hundreds of resumes and not getting
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: a single interviewer, single callback, etc. But also you see
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: it because these corporate executives are under a lot of
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: pressure to remove, to eliminate job positions and replace with AI.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: And so when you see another company that does a
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: layoff and says it's because of AI, and then they
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: get a huge bump in their stock price, that creates
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: a logic of its own that actually front runs the
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: ability of AI to truly replace the human beings. So
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: there's a underlying market logic that is already driving companies
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: in the direction of while they say that AI can
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: replace human beings, so we're just going to go ahead
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: and do this right now. Fortunately, AI can not replace
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: kiddies anytime soon. So I think we're you know, we're
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: already seeing that market market logic take out hold. And
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: then the other part of this piece that contemplates I
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: think a very realistic possibility of this, you know, American
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: underclass truly, you know, an addition like it will be
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: a global underclub. We already have a global underclass, but
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: this will just add to it. Is that you've got
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of these AI CEOs who will make some
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: noise of oh, I'm concerned about this, and this is
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: something we've got to think about and we need to
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: deal with this, and there needs to be policy in place.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Sometimes sell even float some idea of oh well, let's
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: tax this, or you know, let's increase the capital gains
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: tax or something of that nature. But then when she
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: would ask them, okay, well are you putting some of
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: your lobbying dollars behind pushing for any of these solutions,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: every single one of them to murder. So, as Ryan
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: has been tragging as closely as anyone, these AI companies
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: are huge players now in elections. They are backing candidates
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: who will do their bidding in terms of the regulatory
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: framework that they want. So they're being very aggressive about
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: playing in politics. They're telling us that they are just
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: ripping up the social contract, that there is this you know, Cliff,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: that we're all that they're pushing us over as we speak.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: But when you get into okay, so are you going
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: to be part of offering these solutions, pushing for the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: solutions that you are trying to develop internally, not a
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: one of them has come to the table. And you know,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: from my perspective, as you know, as like a democratic
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: socialist perspective, the real answer to this is about who
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: owns the technology, which of course something that they never
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: want to address. So all of their things are kind
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: of tinkering around the edges of tax this tax that
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: you know, let's maybe have a jobs program, let's retrain people,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: et cetera. But to me, the core issue is who
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: owns and who gets to deploy this technology, because it
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: is the height of insanity to me that you have
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: this handful of very wealthy, very powerful individuals who are
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: literally deciding, you know, can I I'm going to put
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: out this model and it may like completely upend this industry,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: it may completely destroy this whole sector of jobs. And
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be solely effectively responsible for making these
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: truly seismic types decisions. I don't know if you guys
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: saw this, and I haven't checked too much into like
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: the details of this, but that was floating around Twitter
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: that a Chinese court actually ruled it illegal to replace
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: human workers with AI purely for the sake of cost cutting.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: And when you see something like that, it really blows
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: your mind that that's like a possible societal outcome, that
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: you could live in a society that would draw lines
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: and say, you know, actually, we're not going to just
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: eliminate all of humanly, thank you very much.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Because there's like a there's like a terrible
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: loop that happens.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: If everyone's unemployed, no one can buy anything, so then
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: exactly then they and they see that. But there seems
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: to be this death drive where these AI companies know
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: they're creating like the end of the world, but there's
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: there's nothing they can do but keep.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: Going, right, Yeah, it makes no sense, like who the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: If the right AI puts everybody out of work, no
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: exactly nobody has any income, then how's the AI comy
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: gonna make money? It's like bread from who.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: It's the definition of a doom loop, truly for for
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: everyone involved. And you know, the end of the road
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: of this is a disaster for all at a time
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: when we already have, you know, extraordinarily high levels of inequality,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: and this guarantees that we will reach levels of inequality
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: that have heretofore never been seen in history.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 9: Well that's that's just factually an accurate crystal. We are
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: about to have universal high income thanks to mister high income.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: And this is everyone can have a penhouse promises.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask Ashley Saint Clair if
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: she thinks that they're that's what's gonna.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 9: Happen high income.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: Speaking of universal high income. Yeah. Uh, you know.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Also said that everyone will have a penthouse, which I
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: love because then it's like, okay, then there's a bunch
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: of empty floors in every.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: Building so that everyone could just be on the top one,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: which he's designing the future impeccably.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Crystal mentioned also owning like that we need to like
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: own this AI stuff. The people who are currently owning AI,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: it's screwing them. Uh So here's another example, uh from
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: this one is coming from a PC gamer.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: Here we go again.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: AI deletes entire company database and all backups in nine seconds,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: then cheerfully admits I violated every principle I was given.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: There some more great quotes here. He asked the AI
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: y he had it done?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 14: It?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Never fucking guess, begins the response, And that's exactly what
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: I did. I guess that the leading a staging volume
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: via the API would be scope to stating early. I
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: didn't verify. I didn't check if the volume I DVI
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: was shared across environments. I didn't read railways documentation or
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: how volumes work before running a destructive command. So it
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: does seem like there's this rush to implement it because
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: your stoff goes up if you show, hey, we're implementing
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: AI into our workflow, now we'll stop hiring your cutting workers.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: And then a lot of this AI is actually just
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: yeah putting Yeah, the leading your entire company.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. I mean, yeah, we should definitely let
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: AI agents have access to your bank account and your
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: email and you know, all of your personal details. Let
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: them post on Twitter for you.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: Good luck. Pushback. The pushback to that piece was it
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: was only down for thirty hours and the company was
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: able to find a backup. Uh, and so what are
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: you guys freaking out about. It's not that bing. So
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: some rental car companies had to go thirty hours, you know,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: without access to any of their customer data. We eventually
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: found it. It's fine, don't worry about it, Like, oh good,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: still worried? Actually glad you founded that data. Like that's good.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: With like enormous attention on it, Like they had to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: like invest tons of energy and it was.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, And it was not obvious at the beginning that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: they would be able to restore the data at all,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: but you know, through herculean efforts, managed to fix the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: problem many hours. Yeah, I don't remembers all definitely spiked.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: I don't know if I mentioned this on Wednesday show
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 9: or not, but Roger had a really interesting newsletter this week.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 9: He's been writing a book working out this theory that
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 9: we are in Wymar America, and obviously he's doing it
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 9: from a Christian conservative perspective, but he had a line.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 9: He had just finished the manuscript this week, and he
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 9: had a line where he said, I have come to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 9: believe that we are one economic crisis away from truly
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 9: being like in a wy Mare, like the Wymar bubble
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 9: popping and being what led Germany off the cliff. And
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 9: this is I know, I get it, like it's extremely hyperbolic,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 9: but when you look at the way the economy is
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 9: structured right now on this obvious bubble with a circular
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: funding scheme where all the money is going from Microsoft
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 9: and Nvidia and then back, and it's just like so absurd.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 9: You can see how we're building the economy on all
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 9: of these expectations about what AI is going to do
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 9: and the possibility that we don't get a gradual bubble pop,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 9: but we get like a severe, strong, instantaneous bubble pop
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 9: if that happens. And you look at where trust and
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 9: institutions is Trust in institutions was low before COVID, it
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 9: is now much lower. Just like across the board, we're
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 9: on the precipice of something I think really dangerous and
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 9: I don't know if it's quite that bad, but I
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 9: also don't think that's like an insane theory.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: I keep waiting for some of these billionaires to realize
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: the historical forces here and to recognize that if they
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: don't trim their own sales in you know, a way
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: that they could basically choose because of the level of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: power they exercise in our political system, then their sales
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: are going to be trimmed in a much more aggressive
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: way by a population that is just going to get
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: to a point where I mean, you think people are
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: just going to accept, yeah, we're going to have forty
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: percent unemployment and good luck, you know, and you know here,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: good luck to your children who are graduating into a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: world where it's not at all obvious what types of
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: jobs are even going to exist. There's at a certain point,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: even with all of our streaming and distractions and treats
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: that we use to numb ourselves to daily realities, at
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: a certain point of society does reach a breaking point
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: and no pun intended. I was also I was watching
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Navara Media did a great They do a lot of
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: really good coverage on AI from a left perspective, and
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: one of their segments they were talking about, look, even
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: if you look at the Industrial Revolution, because this is
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: what people, you know, who are defenders of the trajectory, well,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: people say, okay, well yeah, industrial Revolution. You know, ultimately
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: it was it was great, It lifted GDP, We had
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: all of this, you know, technological miracle, created the middle class.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. That ignores that it took like hundreds
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: of years from the and it also ignores that even
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: that perspective of okay, but eventually in the UK you
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: had a you know, a labor movement, and in the
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: US you had a labor movement and you were able
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: to establish these wage gains and these safety conditions, and
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: it built out the American middle class, et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: It also ignores the rest of the world, where there's
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: an argument in you know, a lot of the developing
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: world there was never a recovery from the Industrial Revolution,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: created this permanent global exploited underclass. So you know, the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: the idea that Okay, that that's the scenario scenario we're
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: moving into as a best case scenario. Even that should
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: be really terrifying because I don't have to tell anybody here,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: but the labor movement is in the toilet. You know,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: the percentage of unionized workforce is very small. We are
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: not organized as a society. We don't have a really
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: functioning democracy in order for there to be effective you know,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: democratic small de democratic pushback. So it's all you know,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: it's all heading in a very disturbing direction without a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: major course change.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: Well, speaking of the under class, there's a final story
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: that I want to talk about, which is the underclass
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: of the JP Morgan, of the of this of the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: men that are sexually harassed at JP Morgan. Let's let's
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: take a look at this, Chris, I wasn't gonna do this.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: You see the latest on this day unmasked who the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: person is?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh yeah, we got it right here, Ryan,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: I've seen.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: All the latest.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Don't worry. I'm well at the seed.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: From the New York Post bombshell sex harassments to against
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: Lorna Hajdini, JP Morgan branded complete fabrication as John Doe unmasked,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to ask for Emily's help here a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: little bit to read some of these excerpts of the
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: claims made.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: Oh, I get to do it.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: You draw the short straw this time?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 9: This is well, we don't, we don't know how short.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: The show is nice? Nice, I don't do is.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 9: Fine it don't don't make me do it, Griffin, I
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 9: don't want to do it, all right, So this is
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 9: an allegation or this is from some of the reporting
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 9: here inside. Hajdini allegedly made sexual advances on Doe before
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 9: this fellow was unmasked, which he rebuffed, insisting he was
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 9: an interested Quote do you want to get promoted at
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 9: year end or not? Hajhdani warned him, According to the lawsuit,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 9: do you want a future at JP Morgan. It's that simple.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 9: I don't know why you're fighting this. Hajdini then allegedly
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 9: removed her shirt, began fondling her breasts, and racially insulted
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 9: Doe's wife, remarking, quote, I bet your little Asian fishhead
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 9: wife doesn't have these cannons the complaint.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Cannons.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 9: Uh and then yeah, yep, I fucking own you.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: I will make you pay.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 9: Do you think you're going to be in good standing
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 9: if you do not have me in your corner? She
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: allegedly said, you really think management wants some brown boy
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 9: Indian leading originations? If you don't fuck my brain's up tonight,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna sabotage your promotion. So that sounded really to me.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 9: That sounded not at all made up and very very credible.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Well, the most unbelievable part is that they wouldn't want
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: an Indian guy leading origination. There's quite a lot of
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Indian Indians New Americans in the banking industry. I don't
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: think that that's like a real uh you know, deal
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: breaker from what I've seen. But uh so, okay, let
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: me give a little I I did follow this story
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: closely because it was hilarious, because first you just got
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: this daily mail piece with these crazy salacious details and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: very racialized. There's another part where she tells him like,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: I'm glad your balls don't smell like curry. Allegedly, this
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: is a crazy like really crazy things in here, right,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: And he says that she's like performing sex acts on him,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: and he's just crying the whole time and he hates it,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: and of course everyone's like, okay.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: There's a birthday blowjob. I believe it.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: The yeah for my little brown boy was one of
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: the comments as well. And this is all coming from
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: the Daily Mail. Apparently these were details that were offered
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: in a lawsuit that was sealed, but they somehow were
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: able to get access to these details. So, to begin with,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: we just knew it was this woman who's very beautiful,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: and we didn't know what the man looked like. As
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: the day went on, it became increasingly it became ultimately,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: like reported by another news outlet that it appears this
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: was all completely fabricated by this guy, that he was
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: fired and wanted to make some sort of sexual harassment claim,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: so that what he was probably hoping is that they
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: would just settle and give him a few million dollars
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: to make him go away. This is the man that
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: we're supposed to believe was coerced into being this beautiful
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: woman sex slave Chase.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 9: So I didn't a little bit.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: He cried the entire time, there's a there's a beautiful
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: little boy in the behind those eyes.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know there's something.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: Also, she wasn't his boss.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: So that's a big they were, that's a big detail
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: that you uh fabricated and is.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: JP Morgan says they haven't able to give a promotion
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: phone records, and the phone records didn't support the claims
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: of like. And also it also seems like like everything
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: that Emily read seems like it came out of the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: mind of some dude of a man. True, very obviously.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: In fact, I mean, I'm seeing this guy.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: No man, I think eventeen year old wrote this.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: I think to think of powerful, you know, Wall Street
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: woman with maybe an alcohol problem.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: You know, I feel I can imagine it.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Listen, I've met forceful women before, so I was open
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: to it.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: Yes, magat that Griffin can imagine it, is my point.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: That's true. This sounds.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: I could see this. I could totally see this happening.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: Yes, I have lived experience.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Crazy thing that I would saying. Imagine being this guy's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: wife and you invented these insults of your own wife
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: for this lawsuit, assuming you even actually married, Like is fishhead?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Is that an actual insult that anyone has heard before?
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: It's really, Oh, I've never even heard I've never even
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: heard this before. But the whole scenario is. I mean,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: I have to say, it's all very creative. I think
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: maybe he maybe banking is not his calling. Maybe there's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: some sort of like creating, creative writing project that he
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: should be engaged in instead.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 8: But maybe well that's the other I mean, I think
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 8: there's a non zero chance that he got caught somehow cheating,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 8: and he makes this up to be like, no, I was,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 8: I didn't want to because part of the allegation here
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 8: is that he was forced as a man to and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, we.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: Don't have to go like, we don't have to get
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 9: to ideological with this, but just to say, as a man,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 9: he claims he was forced to perform oral sex on
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 9: a woman. Now, when that's the other way around. It's
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 9: often understandable because a woman feels like she could be
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: physically dominated by a man and injured by an aggressive,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 9: hostile man. The odds that this man felt uncomfortable like
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: getting up and walking out of the room, especially when
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 9: this wasn't his boss. I mean, is he making this
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 9: up to be like, trust me, this was not consensual, sweetheart.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: Not totally. I want to get that he scored here,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: but that's possible.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: That's that's also very possible.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I do think it's gross that Daily
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Mail just like ran with this without doing any I
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: mean not that I'm surprised, but you know, this woman,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: she comes out looking you know, everybody like thinks she's
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: cool and beautiful. But this is a private person and
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: now she's been associated with this like bizarre racist sex
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: scandal thing that is going to be forever the top
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: Google result for her whenever anyone Google, and they're gonna
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: be like, wait, what is this? So you know, it's
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: just like to casually drag someone's life into the spotlight
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: without doing the most basic due diligence about Like Ryan said,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: is this even person even his boss? For any of
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: this to be plausible whatsoever? Is really pretty disgusting.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the Daily l is going to mess around
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: and get defamation law changed because there is court document
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: exclusions for defamation. In other words, as a journalist, there
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: if something is filed in a court document, then there
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: is an exclusion. You're generally allowed to then report that
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: X thing has been filed in court by a planiff
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: or by a defendant, and then you're not liable for
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: defamation for repeating it because it's it's in public court records.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: If they manage to get it unseealed and then didn't
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: do any checking whatsoever about whether it's even plausible, then
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: you can imagine a court saying, well, you don't, this
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: doesn't apply to you, and so then chips away at
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: the kind of speech protections that the press has. So
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: come on Daily Mail like we're all this together, man, like,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: what are you doing?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Don't use the privilege?
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And and Daily Mail, I hope this doesn't prevent
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: you from running the article about my experience with Anne Hathaway,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: where the same exact thing happened.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: Are you okay?
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: I just want to check in on how you're healing
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: from that trauma.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: She demanded to be in the catwoman outfit.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: It was, it was, it was, it was, it was
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: lot you cried the whole time.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 9: Did she demand that you were in the batman outfit?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's right. She maybe be the penguin. All right,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: let's let's end it there with some an A questions.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: Uh, and then we'll get on out of here before
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: we make any other allegations.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: All right, let's start with a fun one. This is
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: for Emily and Ryan about the.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: Scott Jennings debate Emily and Ryan and from its novel
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: eighty eight?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: What are your favorite parts of the Scott Jennings debate?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: Anything surprise either of you about Scott's points or the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: way the crowd was on Ryan's side about Israel?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 7: That was?
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 9: That was the first thing, right, and I talked about.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 9: I think after the debate there was, you know, the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 9: crowd clapped for when Ryan said he believes that Israel
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 9: should be sanctioned, the crowd clapped. I think that, right,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 9: I think that was the first thing we talked about
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 9: after we.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: Had Yeah, that was.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: That was the surprising part. I don't think anything he
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: said or did was surprising, but that that part. I
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: did not expect that reaction from the.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but whatever you hit him with
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: the pretty clear cut case of you know, you were like, well,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: you're with Sale Media and you know Brad par Scale
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: is a literal foreign agent of Israel. And he said
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: nothing in response to that. I mean, he didn't rebutt it.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: He didn't deny denying.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: What about the Goal States was his rebuttal?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: Cutter?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he asked you about Cutter?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: Yes, right, Uh, what can you say to that?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess I shouldn't say I was surprised, but
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 9: he was really like, there was a student who I think,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 9: I don't wanna uh misquote, but basically read off these
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 9: connections between these alleged connections between mac mul Khalil and Hamas,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 9: and Scott basically was like, you're dead on, You're totally accurate,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 9: even after Ryan went through and just like I think,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 9: pretty incredibly debunked all of these talking points that have
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 9: been debunked over more than a year now about mac
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 9: mul Khalil, which like you cannot like mach mul Khalil,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 9: you do also have to kind of deal with the facts,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 9: and Scott seemed to just kind of defer to the
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 9: student's perspective on it and didn't really deal with too
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 9: much of what Ryan said. I was also surprised that
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 9: Scott referred to America as an as an idea or
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 9: a nation of ideas something like that, which is anathema
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 9: in like maga circles. It's like a red flag. It's like, oh,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 9: you must be the a if you start talkingalking about
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 9: how America is an idea, because that means like if
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 9: America's an idea, like maga. People like to say America
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 9: is a specific country, it is a place, It is
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 9: not just an idea. So I was kind of surprised
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 9: you went with that one.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: My attend is not too fine tuned enough to these
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: right wing distinctions. I missed.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but he was really was. He was very gracious backstage, Ryan,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 9: he was uh kind.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: But George orwell, I'm sure you guys saw Adam Mockler
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: uh rage baiting Jennings on CNN. I guess that was
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: last night. Yeah, they were arguing about Iran and Mockler
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: was going after him for like I was like literally
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: a baby, and you were arguing for another disastrous, worthy
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: I Rock war and here you are still today now
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: arguing for this particular war. And and Jennings really like
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: kind of lost it in a way I've never seen
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: he Mockler was. They were sitting next to each other.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Mockler's just like gesturing with his hands and Jennings like,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: get your fucking hand out of my face. WHOA on CNN, Yeah,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: live on CNN.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got time, We've got time.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 14: Let's take a look war with us for forty cent
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 14: We all know that Scott Jennings is more than happy
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 14: to defend a war with the country that starts with
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 14: the letters I R A that we are currently failing
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 14: that is going to put US trillions and trillions of
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 14: dollars more in debt. I was only a few years
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 14: old while you were in the administration defending prior endless wars.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 14: Now this war is failing. Okay, you said it was week.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 14: I debated you on TV four to six weeks ago
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 14: and you said we were weeks away from it. Now
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 14: you're making condescending remarks because you can't defend the fact
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 14: that this war is not going your way. Wait one
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 14: more time, knowing there's one political concession, politic.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 9: Not I'm not going to have everybody everybody till I'm
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 9: glad it didn't come to that.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, you're we're having a debate. You can respond to
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: the points that he's made. You name a political concession
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: that we've got a.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 7: Flashback to the war the Skinheads had in my studio.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 9: I would be madcast for Heraldough.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: That's on the he's right there. Blame him for talking.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: You invited him on set.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: I actually liked his contributions, Like I remember when we
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: had Skinheads on my track this Lloyd TV show.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 9: This is one of my This is one of my
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 9: deepest held beliefs about media, is that we were a
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 9: healthier country when you were watching skinheads get punched like
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 9: on Haraldo at three pm, like daytime television. Oprah's out
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 9: here just like owning neo Nazis and clan members like
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 9: that is Jerry Springer is having people just like beat
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 9: the ship out of skinheads like that.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: That may have been before the platforming questions of the
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: new Internet media.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well we had it all siloed, right, there
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: was a place you know, it's Jenny fake, it's Jerry Springer,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, exactly, So we had it. We had that
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: space car down. If that's what you're looking for now,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: then now they're being integrated into CNN panels. But no,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: I mean Mackler did. Mackler is very good at this
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: particular thing, and clearly he really got under Stenning's skin.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: I guess he's feeling the heat after that debate with Ryan.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: He's feeling a lot of pressure in general.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: Ryan more hand movements and Ryan, my only note for you, producer,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: you got to bring up Israel earlier to get the
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: crowd on your side.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: You about Israel up.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: Like fifty minutes into debate, and then you finally caught steam,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: but there was only eight minutes left.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: You just got to start with it. You got to
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: open it up, just right out of the gates.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: I know this is a debate about immigration, but.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: Is yeah, yeah, right, just a quick one, am I right?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: This is an easy way to pump your numbers.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, So this next one comes from an audience member
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: named Victoria. Now, Victoria has been having trouble getting her
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: AMA question read, so she emailed me personally and to
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: make sure that we got to read this one.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: So Victoria, don't worry, I got you here. She asks.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: Ro Kana has discussed running for president, and I personally
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: believe he can win as strong bipartisan, cooperative record. A
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: genuine magabade Twitter account liked my comment on one of
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: his VIDs that you should run and can win parentheses,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: But who would you float as a running mate for Row?
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: Well, they don't, do you know? They people start doing
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: fantasy baseball too early. We don't nobody, I mean, because
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: they don't pick their running mate until they are the nominee.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: And at that point it kind of depends on the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: political environment in the moment. I know, I've seen a
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: lot of people push Massey and Conna to get together
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: as like an independent ticket, which it's you know, and
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: it should be continue to be explored where the differences
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: in agreements are. But there's you know, the differences on
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: domestic policy are vast.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard for me to imagine how.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: That would work.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know, what do you think think, Crystal, I
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: don't know.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: You got to see who's running. You got to think
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: about what his weaknesses would be. It's like you said,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: it's a little too early for me to start mixing
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: and matching like that. I've seen people on Twitter doing
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: this like this one with that one and AOC with
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: Chris van Holland or whatever, and I just I don't know.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not not ready to die with Flatiner, not ready
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: to go there. I would definitely vote for that to
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: get Conna Platner. That would be amazing.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: You could imagine that. So let's say he wins the
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: Senate race, the presidential nomination. He would have been at
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: that point a senator for a year and a half.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: You could be Obama track.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: You can imagine him being a VP pick. Actually, oh, okay,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: interesting in the mix mean I then be on the
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: short list. And our final question comes from Colin Clark
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: Breaking Points. Do you have any book recommendations about Chinese
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  Speaker 5: history and the modern day China?
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  Speaker 4: Zeitgeys.
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  Speaker 3: So many countries around the world, like Iron spend so
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  Speaker 3: much time studying American culture and history to understand our
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  Speaker 3: thinking to deal with US diplomatically and in business. But Asia, really,
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  Speaker 3: anything east of Moscow is nearly ignored in American education.
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  Speaker 4: I would have to agree, Colin.
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  Speaker 3: You go to Barnes and Nobles and you look at
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  Speaker 3: the country sections. Uh that that China section pretty pretty thin, Ryan,
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  Speaker 3: Ryan gave me a.
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  Speaker 9: Good recommendation the Rush Doshy book a long time ago.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was interesting. It's pretty pretty hawkish, but but
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  Speaker 5: it's it's it's a it's a sharp there's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of history the sharp look into it. There's that. There's
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  Speaker 5: a new She biography by that Wall Street Journal reporter.
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  Speaker 9: And a podcast series around Oh. The podcast series was
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  Speaker 9: done by the Economist. That's an interesting one. The She
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  Speaker 9: podcast series from the Economists.
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  Speaker 4: Biography Anything good on mal Any, good mal books? You got, Ryan,
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  Speaker 4: I've got lots of.
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  Speaker 5: Great mouth massive biography of him, that famous massive biography.
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  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes I find when I'm looking at books either about
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  Speaker 3: you know, uh Lenin or.
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  Speaker 5: Part is the part of one, right, that's the that's
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  Speaker 5: the she biography.
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  Speaker 11: I read.
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  Speaker 2: I read Breakneck by Dan Wang recently, which was that
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  Speaker 2: was that was pretty interesting. I mean again, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: somewhat of a right leaning perspective, but dug into the
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  Speaker 2: details of just how quickly they were able to develop
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  Speaker 2: and what the approach was that that worked for them,
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  Speaker 2: and I found it. I found it to be interesting.
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  Speaker 5: And then I read the New China Playbook.
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  Speaker 2: I read that one too.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you think of that?
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  Speaker 2: No, I think our no recommended that one to me.
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  Speaker 5: I think, yes, he that is That's where I found
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  Speaker 5: that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I have someone to get you all started for those
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  Speaker 3: right there, and that's going to do it for us
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  Speaker 3: for this Friday show, Ryan, Emily, Crystal, thank you so
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  Speaker 3: much for joining today.
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  Speaker 4: Anything else before we set sail.
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  Speaker 9: Stay Safe out There is JP Morgan, Stay Safe out.
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  Speaker 5: There in the minds of Morgan. Thanks.
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  Speaker 4: We should have gotten our little brown boy saga on
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  Speaker 4: to react to it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about making a joke in
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  Speaker 2: that direction the whole time, and I was like, Nope,
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  Speaker 2: not doing.
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  Speaker 12: No, no, no, no no no.
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  Speaker 3: At the end, we're hopefully people have turned it off
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  Speaker 3: by now. All right, thank you so much, and we'll
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  Speaker 3: see you Monday.
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  Speaker 4: Bye bye