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Queen In-hyun's Man | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 103 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles.
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  We're a couple of friends review Korean dramas and we are back
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  for a throwback review of the K drama Queen and Hyun's Man AKA
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  Queen and I because it has two different names.
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  But for this episode, I am so excited to welcome back Grace
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  and Sarah from the Afternoon Asks podcast.
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  How are you guys doing? Good.
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  Thank you. Good to be back.
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  Thank you for having us. I'm really thrilled that you
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  guys chose this drama. I was afraid it would be like
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  the red headed step sister and wouldn't get picked.
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  Nobody would want to touch this drama and do it this season, but
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  because I would have just like not cover it, that I just
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  wouldn't have covered it. But you guys were so thrilled
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  that this was on the docket and you guys both were like, please
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  let us review this one. And I can't wait to share this
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  experience with you guys and chat it over.
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  I rewatched the show and I think you guys watched it for the
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  first time. And I know that we're all full
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  of thoughts. At this moment in time.
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  Before we get started, what have you guys been watching?
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  Maybe just give me one thing that you want to recommend to
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  people that you have been watching lately.
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  Okay, I can go first. I literally just wrapped Idle
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  Eye, which is a 12 episode law mystery romance drama starring
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  Sue Young from Girls' Generation to Chess Young and the male
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  leaders Kim Jong. And he plays an idol very
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  believably and she plays a secret fangirl.
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  So it's a bit her private life like in her, in her day life,
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  she's like this lawyer. She's kick ass and she's really
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  steely and keeps her emotions in check.
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  And then she gets home and she gets into furry slippers.
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  And then we see her room and it's like an idol like room of
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  Kim Jales, pictures of him in his group called Gold Boys.
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  He gets accused of murder and she becomes his lawyers, as one
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  does, and she becomes his lawyer.
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  And actually, I was pleasantly surprised by how good this
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  drummer is. I think anybody who loves K Pop
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  will find it interesting because does touch on topics around
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  mental health around idols not being able to be themselves up
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  from obsessive fans like the sangs and the impact they have
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  on idols and people breaking into their apartment and and
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  controlling CEOs and all of those kind of themes.
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  There are some legals about how it handles that towards the end,
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  but overall it's it's good. The two of them have great
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  chemistry. The mystery's pretty well done.
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  So yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed
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  this drama. It was good.
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  Very nice. Yeah, it's on my list of watches
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  to finish for 2026 already. There's a list going.
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  Yes, all right, because you're slow like me, right you're.
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  Yes, we're some how to go in that we're we have no rush.
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  We're on our own timetable and we'll get to it when we get to
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  it, right? Grace?
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  Grace, what have you been watching lately?
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  So the only drama I've watched so far this year is Residents
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  Playbook. I was playing catch up from last
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  year. I was meant to get back to it
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  and I really enjoyed it actually.
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  I actually had low expectations because people didn't seem to
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  like it as much as, you know, Hospital Playlist or Prison
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  Playbook or, you know, the reply series.
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  But you know, it was good. I had fun at the movies.
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  I mean, wait. It's not the movies, but it's
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  like a thing. I had fun watching it.
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  I'd love to hear it, All right, Resident play, resident playbook
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  or residence playbook. Resident Playbook.
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  OK, singular. Yeah, singular, even though it's
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  a ensemble, there's four residents, so in any.
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  Event. I like it.
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  Yeah, I like it, yeah. Yeah, that director and writer
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  duo, I believe work together on all of those famous slice of
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  life series like The Reply Series and The Prison Playbook
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  and all of the hospital playlists.
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  They're not strictly 1 and 2, so they're close as the like
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  originators or creators, but they're not the people that
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  actually wrote. OK.
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  And I think you can talk. OK, so they kind of spielberged
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  it. Yeah, yeah, it's.
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  Just not as quite as, because they are pretty amazing at what
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  they do. And I think you can tell that
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  it's just not quite that. I think it's still fun.
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  It's still fun. But I mean, they're just such
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  like, for me anyway, the hospital playlist, prison
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  Playbook, the reply series is like it's top tier and this is
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  really good. It's just not top tier.
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  It's just that different for me anyway.
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  Did you know that it wasn't them going into watching it or did
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  you look that up later? I.
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  Looked it up like a 3rd of the way through when I was like I'm
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  not really. Feeling this?
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  And then you looked into the hood.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  Yeah, well, I feel like my expectations were sufficiently
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  lowered that I didn't feel any. Like I was just like, OK, no, I.
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  Always enjoy this. Yeah, you're meant, I see.
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  Yeah. Because I had heard, you know,
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  it was. It was.
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  Fine, it was. It was good, not as good.
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  And so like, I was like, OK, don't expect too much.
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  And so I went in there thinking, oh, it's, you know, just going
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  to be OK. And then so I totally enjoyed
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  it, Yeah. All right, well, two wrecks from
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  Sarah and Grace. We have Idle Eye and Resident
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  Playbook if you guys want to give those a watch.
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  Resident Playbook is on Netflix. Idle Idle Eye is also on Netflix
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  and on Vicki. OK, OK, great.
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  All right, so let's get started on this Queen and I Queen and
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  Hensman review. We'll do non spoiler and spoiler
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  section. I'll kick us off with the
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  synopsis which reads. Kim Pundu is a scholar who had
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  supported the reinstatement of Queen and Hyun when Tang Yi
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  Bin's schemes resulted in the Queen being deposed and replaced
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  as Queen Concert. He travels 300 years into the
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  future of modern soul and meets Tit Hee Jin, a no name actress
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  who is expecting a career renaissance through her role as
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  Queen and Hyun in ATV drama. That is the My Drama List
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  synopsis, which I feel like we need to go a little more high
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  level because this is an older drama and I feel like that was a
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  little bit much, the Wikipedia synopsis reads.
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  The story centers around obscure.
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  Actress. Change and in her first leading
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  role, who falls in love with Kimbondo, a time travelling
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  scholar from the Tolson period, 1392 to 1910.
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  That's the entirety. Of the Tolson period.
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  He jumps 300 years into the future to the 21st century.
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  This drama, as I said at the top, aired in 2012 from April to
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  June 2012. Let's go back to the year 2012.
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  Instagram was only two years old, and this was the year that
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  Android users finally got it. It was available in for them to
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  download finally, because it was only an Apple user app.
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  The top five highest grossing movies of the year, according to
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  Box Office Mojo is #1 The Avengers.
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  Of course The Avengers the first one #2 is The Dark Knight rises,
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  then The Hunger Games, the first Hunger Games movie, then Skyfall
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  which is arguably the best Daniel Craig James Bond movie,
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  then Twilight Saga Breaking Dawn Part 2.
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  I don't know if you guys were in the theatre for any of these
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  movies, but I vividly remember being in the theatre for all of
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  these movies and watching Breaking Dawn Part 2 after being
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  a Twilight book fan for so long and growing up with that series.
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  Oh my God, I've never seen such electrifying third act in my
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  life because of the change that they made.
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  Do you guys remember this? I I did read Twilight.
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  I got very annoyed by Breaking Dawn so I didn't check out the I
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  watched that's fine the 1st 2 movies and then I checked out.
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  OK, OK. No, I was like a 12 year old
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  when the first book came out and so I was in over my head.
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  I was deep into this. I was following all the forums
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  when they had started casting people and I remember Stephanie
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  Meyer's website and how she had a fan casting of.
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  People that she had. It actors that she had in her
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  head as she was writing the books.
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  Everyone was like, Henry Cavill's going to be, he's going
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  to be Edward Henry Cavill. Anyway, I was there on the
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  ground floor of that and Breaking Dawn Part 2 seared into
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  my memory. If you know, you know, 2012 is
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  the year Whitney Houston and Donna Summer died.
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  I was like, oh damn, that feels like yesterday.
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  Hits like Carly Rae Jepsen's Call Me, Maybe we're on the
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  radio. Oh my gosh.
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  Call Me Maybe? Gautier, somebody that I used to
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  know, funds We are young and size.
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  Gangnam Style was the first video to reach 1 billion views
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  on YouTube in this year. I mean, it was a year.
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  It was. A year we had London 2012
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  Olympics. Yes, yes, the Olympics, which I
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  remember vividly watching the opening ceremonies and the Spice
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  Girls coming out. Listen, this was the era.
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  This was the time for this drama to drop.
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  It is 16 episodes long and directed by Kim Pyeong SU.
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  He's directed since the mid 2000s vampire prosecutor.
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  He's in other time travel like 9 times time travel, which is the
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  it's breaking my brain just to say it.
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  I don't know if you guys have had to say that show but say
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  that three times fast. He's also directed 3 Musketeers
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  Bubble Gum, The Bride of Habeck, which I have to credit for the
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  entirety of Tabak at all because I started the Tabak Review blog
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  because I was. So.
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  Pissed after watching The Bride of Habeck in 2017 that I had to
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  create a whole blog just a bitch about that show because I was so
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  mad I was like this. Is the worst show.
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  How can they let this air? So Bride of Habeck, he directed
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  a Korean odyssey. He's directed, which is a Hong
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  Sisters drama. That one also controversial.
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  They got beat to death with plagiarism allegations because
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  it's not a Korean odyssey, it's based on the Chinese folklore.
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  And I mean, what a time he is psychometric and Rookie Cops was
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  the last thing that he did. Have you seen this director's
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  work before? No.
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  From that list, no. OK.
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  Yeah, me neither. None of them.
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  OK Queen and Hyun's Man was written by two screenwriters.
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  Song Jae Chong is the first one listed and she has been writing
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  since the 90s. Like 1998 was the first credit
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  that I see here. She has worked with this
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  director a couple of times, including The Three Musketeers
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  and Nine times Time travel. I have to say that slow so I
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  don't stumble over it, but. It's a tongue twister.
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  It's a tongue twister. This writer has also written W2
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  Worlds Apart, which we've covered on the podcast.
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  And then Memories of the Alhambra, which is such a cool
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  premise. I remember watching that first
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  episode Lego was yesterday and being like, this is amazing.
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  It blew me away the way that show ends it.
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  I don't want to talk about it but like it was very it went the
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  way of bride of Habeck. She also wrote Yumi Cells all of
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  the seasons of Yumi Cells. The Co writer is Kim Yunju.
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  They have written Yumi Cells most recently and they worked
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  with the director and the Co writer before on 9 times time
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  travel. Well done.
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  You do good. Have you?
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  Have you seen any of these works from these writers before?
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  For me, just you myself, but I mean that alone is I love you
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  myself and I'm very much looking forward to Season 3.
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  Awesome. Yes, same, same.
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  Although I did watch the first episode of Memories of the
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  Alhambra and I was like, this hurts my head a little bit,
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  maybe I'll get back to it. And then I never got back to it.
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  It's gonna give you a headache by the end.
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  If the first episode was, I was. Like this is a little too
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  complicated right now and too many things are happening and
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  I'm not in the mood and I just never got.
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  Back to it I. Don't.
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  All I can say is you're not going to be happy.
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  If you continue. Watching that and the mental
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  gymnastics that that one made you do, yeah.
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  Anyway, human looks hot in that, so there's that.
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  Yes. Queen Indians Man stars D Hyunu.
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  He plays Kim Pong Du. He's the male lead and this was
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  the last drama before his military enlistment.
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  He has done 7 movies and 22 TV shows.
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  He's been acting for like 20 years.
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  I have seen him in becoming a billionaire and that's it.
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  I definitely wanted a press play on first lady, which came out
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  last year. That was the one where a
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  politician gets elected to I think be president and he serves
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  his wife divorce papers on the day that he wins the election.
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  And I was like, this sounds like mock drunk heaven.
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  I can't wait to press play on this and I never did.
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  He is the guy that serves his wife divorce papers.
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  I believe he has. If you look through his
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  filmography, he does a lot of those long family dramas and 50
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  plus episode dramas, 40 episodes here and there.
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  And that's his bag. But he has been working
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  consistently for the past 20 years.
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  Have you seen this guy before? Me no.
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  Me neither. And I was like, I was like, oh
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  wow, he must have been one of those people who like was hot,
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  you know, 15 years ago and then just like dropped off.
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  And then I looked at his filmography and I was like, Oh
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  my gosh, he's working. He's working consistently.
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  And I just missed all of this. But now that I know that some of
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  these things are the 50 episode plus kind of family things, I'm
• 15:19
  like a little bit more interested because it's been a
• 15:21
  while since I've watched one of those and I have that itch.
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  So I may I may get into one of these afterwards.
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  Yeah, the ones on this list that I have italicized and put a star
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  in front of are I looked up each one of the dramas that he's in
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  and I was like, oh, I totally want to press play on these.
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  So those are the ones that I'm like, this sounds pretty good.
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  Young Lady and a Gentleman is the most recent one that I
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  after. First lady, of course, from last
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  year, 2025, that I would like to watch.
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  Young lady and a gentleman. Bad thief, Good thief, looks
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  good. Wanted from 2016.
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  A Thousand Kisses, which is I think a Nuna romance.
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  Those ones, they got a little something.
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  There's some sauce in there that I'd like to check out.
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  So this is our first time seeing.
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  Yeah, he's just not a traffic star anymore.
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  Yeah. And he's older.
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  Yeah, but he's, I thought he was quite attractive in this drama.
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  So I was like how have I not? Seen him in anything else?
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  I'm so glad you said something because I was like am I going
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  crazy? But like, he's still seducing me
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  all these years later. It is quite a seductive
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  character he's. A great male lead role.
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  Yes I think actors these days would kill for a role like this.
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  Like period. It's so like juicy.
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  His Co star is UE Na and she plays Tahi Jin.
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  She's a female lead and she is a lot more recognizable I think
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  then he is, at least by today's international audience
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  standards. She's done 5 movies, 18 TV
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  shows. We've covered a lot of her
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  dramas on the Tabakvi. There's reviews up for Snowdrop,
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  she's in Snowdrop, She's in of course, Guardian, the Lonely and
• 17:09
  Great God AKA Goblin from 2016. We also covered My Love From the
• 17:14
  Star, which is a hysterical rewatch.
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  If you want to go back and listen to that review, all of
• 17:20
  these are up. She's also been in You Are the
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  Best, which I remember that show, watching that show and I
• 17:26
  also remember dropping that show.
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  Yeah, I dropped that show too. It was so.
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  Long. It was so long.
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  And the mothers, The mothers were the worst, the worst, the
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  worst mothers ever. Oh my.
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  God I was like I'm over it. I can't I can't do this.
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  I know you are the best. I also dropped the greatest
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  love. She's in that show and don't ask
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  me why. I literally just didn't, I don't
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  know. I didn't vibe with it so I
• 17:52
  dropped it. But I see the greatest love on a
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  lot of best of lists, even to this day.
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  And I'm like. God.
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  Did I tap out too early? I don't know.
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  I don't know. I've also watched Secret Garden.
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  She's in Secret Garden. Have you guys seen that classic
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  2010? Yeah, popping up again.
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  Being a little a little toxic. Yeah, I remember, I remember
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  every time I see Secret Garden comments, it's always, it's
• 18:19
  always kind of commented afterwards that like it's of its
• 18:23
  time. It was.
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  Yeah, it's totally, which is code for like, it's really quite
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  toxic right now. But we watched it because that
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  was just, you know, fine back then.
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  So I never fancied and he didn't look great in that shell suit,
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  so none did. I was looking.
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  None of it made me want to like, check it out, you know me.
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  And like older dramas. I don't.
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  I mean, this is like like my oldest drama I've watched in a
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  really long time. Oh my God, You know, I'm just
• 18:50
  going to cover these two actors and there's really not much else
• 18:54
  in the way of a cast. There's really four people
• 18:57
  listed and as main cast members and we covered two of them.
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  It's the male lead and the female lead.
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  I think that's all we need to. Do I love I love you?
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  In our so we also we covered Touch Your Heart as a deep dive
• 19:09
  on our part. And I actually also really
• 19:11
  enjoyed her. And so her last drama that she
• 19:14
  LED in was True to Love, which was a bit patchy, but it also
• 19:17
  has one of the most realistic portrayals of a breakup.
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  Yeah. And she's amazing.
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  Like she's so she's so good at the comedy, so, so good at the
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  comedy, but also she's really great at the angst.
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  And I think that, you know, like her best roles are the ones
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  which showcase both of those. If she's not crying in a drama,
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  I'm like, that was wasted guys, you know you.
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  You need to Yeah, crying. Yeah.
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  I yeah, I didn't watch True to Love from 2023, but I'm glad you
• 19:46
  could comment on it and of course, touch your heart, which
• 19:49
  I don't like office romances and I'm not the biggest fan of Eden
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  Wook. I respect the man, I appreciate
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  the man, but I'm never seeking out Eden Wook.
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  Dramas. He's good.
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  Well, this is like dorky dork. And I like dorky.
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  We haven't had dorky for a while, so there's there's no
• 20:07
  blood. There's no I'm really cool.
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  He's very dorky. He's very dorky, but adorably
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  dorky. Yeah.
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  So I've kind of like bobbed and weaved out of the way of touch
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  Your heart for many years now because it's that's from 2019
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  again. I have gone through all of her
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  dramas. I'm like, what am I missing?
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  And the ones that I have italicized and starred, I'm
• 20:30
  like, wait a minute, I think I need to watch this.
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  So the Spies Who Loved Me looked pretty good and the Secret Hotel
• 20:37
  from 2014 looked pretty good to me.
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  But I'm glad that you guys are fans of you.
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  And I think the last time we covered her, I vaguely remember
• 20:46
  saying put some respect on her name because most people don't
• 20:50
  know trafficked and amazing she was, especially now, like in the
• 20:55
  20 tens era. Yeah.
• 20:57
  You mentioned that this is the oldest drama that you've seen in
• 21:01
  a while. So talk to me about the
• 21:03
  experience of watching Queen and Young's Man.
• 21:07
  Did you like it? We'll start there with you,
• 21:09
  Sarah. OK, cool.
• 21:10
  So. I partly I find it's the
• 21:13
  production values that kind of bring me out.
• 21:15
  I'm one of these people. Like conversely, I can be really
• 21:18
  wowed by dramas that look really good and edited really well and
• 21:22
  I'm like 6 episodes in and then think this is actually not that
• 21:25
  good a drama, but I haven't really noticed because I'm
• 21:28
  sucked into it. So the opposite happens to me
• 21:30
  for older dramas, but with this one it's just so good from the
• 21:34
  get go, I think, and the pacing is really good.
• 21:38
  So I don't have a lot of time to be Oh my God, look at that
• 21:41
  outfit or Oh my God, like that clunky.
• 21:44
  They really like splitting the screen up in this drama to the
• 21:48
  point it kind of gave me a headache.
• 21:50
  But the, the director of photography or whoever's,
• 21:53
  whoever's responsible for deciding when the screen splits
• 21:58
  and how they split was having a very experimental and fun time
• 22:02
  with this drama. Like we had like really crazy
• 22:06
  shots from very weird angles, like aerial shots or people
• 22:10
  like, you know, coming from the other side of the door.
• 22:12
  And, you know, I was like, I kind of repeat.
• 22:14
  So my, my mind did wander a little bit, but not a lot.
• 22:17
  Most of the time I was in the drama in the story and with the
• 22:20
  leads. And so yeah, it I kind of got
• 22:23
  used to it after a while, yes. I will jum in and say the
• 22:27
  cinematography on this is interesting.
• 22:29
  I think at the time it was seen as really good.
• 22:32
  Yeah. Now it hasn't aged so well and
• 22:36
  the moving and sliding split screens is a choice and it's
• 22:41
  very comic booky in places. The last time that I saw this
• 22:45
  done in earnest serious as a heart attack was 2003's The
• 22:49
  Hulk. Have you seen that movie with
• 22:51
  Eric Bana? Yes they do that in that movie
• 22:53
  and it cracks me up. It is so funny to re watch that
• 22:58
  movie and be like, what are they doing?
• 23:00
  That's how it kind of felt to watch Queen and I and I have no
• 23:05
  recollection of them doing all of this stuff, you know, with
• 23:10
  the screens. But I thought it was endearing.
• 23:13
  At the end of the day. I was like this, you know, you
• 23:15
  don't get this everyday. It's it's fine.
• 23:18
  Yeah. Grace what?
• 23:20
  Did you think about Queen and I slash queen enhance man?
• 23:24
  OK, so. At first, the first episode, I
• 23:27
  was like, Oh my gosh, this feels so old.
• 23:29
  There's like this really dramatic music.
• 23:31
  There's like this news like a news anchor expositional
• 23:36
  voiceover at the very beginning, which is super duper old.
• 23:40
  And then like the vibe and cinematography really reminded
• 23:43
  me of some of the older dramas like Big or a cunning single
• 23:47
  Lady. But then that all fell away.
• 23:50
  Well, actually, I think actually they never did the news anchor
• 23:53
  exposition, you know, voice again the entire show.
• 23:58
  I feel like as they moved along, they like it felt a little bit
• 24:02
  more current and it wasn't just that I was drawn into the story
• 24:07
  and so I was ignoring the older stuff.
• 24:11
  So like really very quickly by the second episode, I thought,
• 24:17
  oh, this is this is a lot of fun and I like the story and it's
• 24:22
  funny and it's interesting and I I really enjoyed this drama.
• 24:28
  Like I really, really liked it basically all the way through.
• 24:31
  I thought the pacing was wonderful.
• 24:34
  I don't recall there being like a OK, there's this part's slow.
• 24:40
  They really could have, you know, dropped one or two
• 24:42
  episodes. I never felt that.
• 24:44
  So I really had a good time with this one.
• 24:47
  Yeah. One thing I thought was quite
• 24:49
  funny that struck me was whenever they shot what was
• 24:52
  their modern day soul, I just thought it was really funny
• 24:54
  because it's a modern, it's a time travel drama, right?
• 24:56
  So he time travels from Tristan to modern day soul.
• 24:59
  And then you have these shots of like what Saul looked like from
• 25:02
  Guam and Gate and you're like, Oh my God, it's so odd.
• 25:05
  Like that's what's so used to. So I just like this just.
• 25:09
  It's a. Position of like, this is meant
• 25:11
  to be a time travel drama, but where they time travel to looks
• 25:13
  like history for me. Like I'm like checking out like
• 25:17
  oh, that's what cars used to look like in 2020.
• 25:19
  I was like, oh, right. I.
• 25:23
  Totally understand. It's not contemporary enough,
• 25:26
  Yeah, To still pass muster for being, like, so impressive.
• 25:31
  You're like, like. It was so so.
• 25:32
  Different. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:36
  Yeah, look, I forget to love this show.
• 25:39
  And I knew that I loved it from jump, right?
• 25:42
  I loved it back when I first watched it around when it aired
• 25:47
  and coming back to it, I was so worried.
• 25:50
  You have no idea how worried I was.
• 25:51
  And I was going to like it. And then I made you guys watch a
• 25:53
  shitty show. Because I don't know like.
• 25:56
  I mean. 20. 12 I was a different person.
• 25:59
  I was going to see Twilight movies in earnest.
• 26:01
  I was like. I was different.
• 26:04
  Right, so. How can I?
• 26:06
  Expect that my taste in dramas is the same all 15 years that
• 26:11
  I've been watching dramas, so I was genuinely so worried.
• 26:16
  That this wasn't going to work out.
• 26:18
  And after episode 1, I was like, bitch, we are back.
• 26:22
  Like I love this show. It is so well paced.
• 26:25
  Like you both said, there's no slumps in this.
• 26:28
  It's just when you think they've gotten over a hurdle, another
• 26:31
  one appears. But you still get that
• 26:34
  satisfying bit of they're together, you know they're
• 26:38
  having good times, and then you know, a.
• 26:41
  Cute. So cute, So.
• 26:42
  Sweet the kissing amazing in this show.
• 26:45
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:47
  And it truly hit all the highs for me.
• 26:51
  It was playful, it was funny and mischievous.
• 26:55
  The leads acted so well. They had wonderful chemistry.
• 26:59
  And then also there were deeper moments in the show as well
• 27:03
  where they're dealing with the grief of like losing the other
• 27:07
  and coming back to each other as well.
• 27:10
  These emotions that run through the show are so well handled.
• 27:16
  I think it's those. Moments of deepness in the show
• 27:19
  as well as beautiful lightheartedness.
• 27:22
  They balance these tones incredibly well with a deft
• 27:25
  hand. And that's the lifeblood of the
• 27:27
  show. And I think that's the lifeblood
• 27:29
  of K dramas that I miss. When I, when I'm dropping K
• 27:34
  dramas, I'm like, they didn't, they didn't hit on it right?
• 27:36
  They didn't tap into that vein, but this one does.
• 27:41
  And it made me. Miss a well paced 16 episode K
• 27:45
  drama, you know what I'm saying? Like this thing is moving, yeah.
• 27:49
  It is totally. I think that's why.
• 27:50
  It's the test of time. I completely get your
• 27:52
  apprehension on how you might. And sometimes you think like,
• 27:57
  I'm not going to rewatch a drama.
• 27:58
  Just I feel like this way about gobbling.
• 28:00
  Actually, I feel like I never want to rewatch it because I
• 28:03
  want to stay with where I was and who I was when I watched
• 28:07
  that really early in my K drama career.
• 28:10
  And I kind of don't want to find it and then pick holes at it and
• 28:13
  then like lose my love for it. You want it to start setting
• 28:16
  ice. So I totally get your anxiety
• 28:19
  with, but I think this drama just completely holds up because
• 28:22
  of everything you just spoke about.
• 28:24
  And I contend if they did a remake of it now, it would still
• 28:27
  just work just as well because it's all the core elements.
• 28:32
  And you were saying it is a small cast because they really
• 28:36
  just center on that main couple. There's no extraneous like
• 28:41
  serial. There's like just some court
• 28:43
  stuff going on. But there's no serial kidding.
• 28:45
  There's no like amnesia plots. There's no terminal illness.
• 28:49
  It's like they're not relying on all this on external stuff.
• 28:52
  They're just like, but they've got this time travel thing.
• 28:55
  They do it really innovatively. They kept me guessing the whole
• 29:00
  way through, like how they were going to handle it.
• 29:02
  Because that's always the thing with time travel.
• 29:04
  It's like, how are you going to resolve it?
• 29:06
  Who, where are you going to end up?
• 29:08
  Like who's going to be in whose timeline?
• 29:10
  Are they even going to be in each other's timeline?
• 29:12
  And that's what keeps you guessing.
• 29:14
  And I think this drama did it so, so well.
• 29:17
  I agree. Grace, did you have anything to
• 29:19
  add before I go off on time travel stuff?
• 29:22
  No, no, I, I. Totally.
• 29:23
  I completely agree with both of you on that.
• 29:27
  Like, I think that we had an extended conversation, Sarah and
• 29:29
  I, and I think we had a guest when we did Touch Your Heart or
• 29:33
  it was our third host. But this was one of our big
• 29:38
  anxieties because we each remembered having really, really
• 29:41
  enjoyed Touch Your Heart. And then we were coming back to
• 29:44
  it like five years later and we were like, Oh my God, is it
• 29:47
  going to be bad now? And then we all loved it more
• 29:51
  the second OK. Perfect.
• 29:54
  Yeah, it's the best. Case in best Skype.
• 29:56
  Yeah, yeah. So totally get that.
• 29:59
  And I, I agree they they did such a good job with the show.
• 30:02
  So really, I mean, it feels timeless, yes.
• 30:07
  In a lot of ways, it feels timeless because the story is so
• 30:09
  well done, the writing is so tight, and one thing I'll talk
• 30:13
  about before we get into the time travel aspect of the show
• 30:15
  is that I've noticed people were talking on the phone so much.
• 30:20
  In the show like a. Lot of conversations between
• 30:22
  characters are not happening face to face or happening over
• 30:24
  the phone. And that's where you get all
• 30:26
  these crazy split screens from 50 different angles.
• 30:28
  And you're like, what? For what?
• 30:30
  But anyway, you can see how cheap it was to make this show.
• 30:35
  In a lot of ways, this show is a relic of the time in which K
• 30:39
  dramas were being written almost simultaneously as they were
• 30:42
  being aired. And it's a lot of the same sets,
• 30:45
  the same hospital room every time someone's been
• 30:47
  hospitalized. Like there's nothing expensive
• 30:50
  about these locations. They're not going to Canada.
• 30:52
  For instance, I know we brought up Goblin like they didn't go to
• 30:54
  Canada for this to shoot anything, right?
• 30:57
  This is. The time in K dramas.
• 30:59
  Where you really had to double down on your concept, on your
• 31:02
  characters and the writing. And that's what people are going
• 31:05
  to stick around for. It's not because it's flashy.
• 31:08
  It's not because the budget is super expensive and they've
• 31:12
  dumped all of the CGI in it and it looks incredible and it's all
• 31:16
  of this glitz and glamour. I said this before on the
• 31:18
  podcast. I'm really forgiving if the
• 31:21
  budget is lower because if the story is there, you're not going
• 31:24
  to notice. In the best case scenario, just
• 31:26
  like this show, you're not going to mind.
• 31:28
  Yeah. Totally we.
• 31:31
  Talked a little. Bit about the time travel.
• 31:34
  The time travel in this show is so tight and simple.
• 31:40
  That's not the case all the. Time for time travel shows.
• 31:43
  They really get into. The weeds on time travel.
• 31:45
  I've said this before as well. The best time travel is simple,
• 31:50
  Simple rules. And if they break them,
• 31:54
  something happens and then they're constant.
• 31:56
  They're picking at this thing until something else happens and
• 31:58
  have to figure it out. And that's exactly what they do
• 32:01
  in this show. I would like to throw this out
• 32:05
  there, feel free to disagree. This show is in the top five
• 32:09
  time travel K dramas. I think so.
• 32:12
  I agree. Yeah, it.
• 32:15
  Broke into my. Top five.
• 32:17
  Time travel K dramas, Yeah. Do you care to share?
• 32:21
  If you have your top five, please feel free to share.
• 32:24
  What are some great time travel K dramas for people who maybe
• 32:28
  are not willing to dip back into the archives and watch Queen and
• 32:31
  I on? For me it was Toby.
• 32:33
  Yeah, I. Wanted to me too at the VPN to
• 32:36
  the States TV which was fun. Yeah.
• 32:39
  Which I love Toby, by the way. Yeah, Toby sponsor me, but.
• 32:44
  For those people who. Might want some other wrecks and
• 32:47
  they want to hear the best. What are some of your top fives?
• 32:50
  OK, so. My top are go back couple
• 32:54
  twinkling watermelon, Mr. Queen Queen and Young's man.
• 32:59
  Splash, splash. Love.
• 33:00
  And lovely runner and I do not know how to rank at least so
• 33:05
  like I know go back couple is my top.
• 33:08
  And. Probably twinkling watermelon is
• 33:11
  second but like the next 4 might be tied.
• 33:14
  I got you. They're not right.
• 33:16
  Yeah, yeah. OK, Yeah.
• 33:18
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love Splash.
• 33:21
  Splash love, yes. So much passion.
• 33:24
  And I, I'm also scared to revisit it.
• 33:26
  It's only two episodes, right? But it's up there.
• 33:30
  It's Don't ask me. I've still not seen it even.
• 33:32
  Though it's only two episodes, it's one of those things that's
• 33:34
  great. I don't know why I don't pick it
• 33:36
  up like, and those times are I don't want to watch.
• 33:39
  I need to do that. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:42
  Definitely watch flash. Flash Love and then you
• 33:45
  mentioned Go Back Couple. We've covered Go Back Couple on
• 33:47
  the podcast. There's a full review for Go
• 33:49
  Back Couple and that one was very good.
• 33:52
  Remember really liking that show as well.
• 33:54
  Sarah. Would you care to share your Yes
• 33:57
  I? I share some with Grace,
• 33:59
  unsurprisingly. So I've got again, unranked Mr.
• 34:02
  Queen Twinkling watermelon 18 again.
• 34:06
  And I also count still 17, even though it's not technically a
• 34:10
  time travel. It has those elements to it
• 34:13
  because she is in a coma at 17 and wakes when she's 30.
• 34:17
  Yeah. And then so probably my fifth
• 34:19
  favorite, which is probably not being usurped by Queen.
• 34:21
  And I was signal. I thought that they use time
• 34:24
  travel in a really clever way. And obviously it's not a
• 34:27
  romance. So yeah, that was that was a
• 34:30
  great, was it a great time travel?
• 34:31
  Time travel. I, I watched it so recently that
• 34:34
  I'm like, I didn't like enter into my rankings at all, but was
• 34:38
  that, is it time travel or is it speaking through time?
• 34:42
  So it's a time slip. And I think it's all kind of
• 34:45
  relatively in the same family, OK, OK.
• 34:48
  Versus someone like is getting picked up and back to the
• 34:51
  future, right, right, right. In a different time, yeah, which
• 34:55
  is fine. Like, that's traditional time,
• 34:56
  time travel if we're splitting hairs here, but yeah, yeah.
• 35:00
  Yeah, yeah. But it is, it is a time slip.
• 35:02
  You're right. You're right cuz they're just.
• 35:04
  Communicating. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:08
  I love Signal. Signal has its own podcast
• 35:10
  review as well. Signal's amazing.
• 35:13
  And a couple other ones that I have on my cuz.
• 35:17
  I pulled up some time travel. This has nothing.
• 35:20
  This wasn't prepared in advance for this review.
• 35:22
  It's just I happen to have a list of time travel on my phone,
• 35:26
  time travel K dramas. So I have tomorrow with you on
• 35:29
  there. I have one more time, which I
• 35:32
  don't know if you've seen that. It's like an 8 episode Netflix
• 35:34
  drama from back in 2019 ish era. One of the first Netflix
• 35:39
  original that popped up. That's not a time travel, that's
• 35:42
  a time loop drama like Groundhogs Day.
• 35:46
  Exactly. Just like Groundhog Day signals
• 35:49
  on here. Splash splash, love queen and
• 35:50
  hands man. Perfect marriage revenge is on
• 35:53
  here. The atypical.
• 35:55
  Family is on here. And then?
• 35:59
  I have a couple of oldies on here which leads me to my next
• 36:02
  point, which is there were a metric ton of time travel dramas
• 36:07
  between 2010 and 2015 specifically.
• 36:11
  Queen Indians, man is. One of them.
• 36:13
  So with Rooftop Prince, which came out in 2012, the chosen
• 36:17
  Crown Prince and his entourage wind up in present day soul
• 36:21
  while trying to solve the mystery of his wife's death.
• 36:24
  Really funny show if you liked all of the shenanigans of fish
• 36:27
  out of water scenarios. Present day versus I'm from the
• 36:31
  chosen era. I don't know what's going on.
• 36:33
  I talk funny that is rooftop prints just like Queen and Hands
• 36:37
  Man, so you'll like that one as well.
• 36:39
  Faith is also from 2012. The alternate name is The Great
• 36:44
  Doctor and that one just landed on Netflix recently and I was
• 36:48
  caught up because I was like, Oh my God, I have not thought of
• 36:52
  this drama in all these years and even ho is on my screen
• 36:56
  right now in period dress. The synopsis for that one is a
• 37:00
  coreo warrior brought to modern times grabs a doctor female
• 37:05
  doctor and brings her back into time with him to heal somebody
• 37:10
  of importance. Yeah, so that's even though
• 37:12
  being the the warrior from back in the day, that's three right
• 37:16
  there. Operation proposals also from
• 37:18
  2012. That's he tries to fix the
• 37:21
  wrongs that he did in a relationship and re experience
• 37:26
  his past choices. So it's almost like a Groundhog
• 37:28
  Day, but it's more like butterfly effect.
• 37:30
  He keeps going back in time and like hopes that the future is
• 37:34
  better and like it never fixes the situation.
• 37:37
  I have to tell you, I dropped that.
• 37:38
  One because he went back in time one too many times for me and it
• 37:42
  was just get it, I was. Like over the.
• 37:44
  Gag at that point. So that's Operation proposal.
• 37:47
  The last time you guys were here, it was for a review of I'm
• 37:50
  Not a Robot. The male lead from I'm Not a
• 37:52
  Robot is the lead in operation Proposal.
• 37:56
  Oh. Yes, so we're.
• 37:57
  Still in the year 2012, that's all those dramas, 4 dramas and
• 38:01
  then the next year we already talked about this one.
• 38:03
  I'm gonna say it one more time. 9 times Time Travel came out in
• 38:07
  2013 by the same director and writers an.
• 38:10
  Anchorman. Uses mysterious incense to go
• 38:13
  back 20 years to try to save family and change his fate.
• 38:16
  So that's the synopsis of that drama.
• 38:18
  Have you seen? Have you seen that one?
• 38:20
  No, I haven't seen. I think you need to.
• 38:21
  Watch it just for like, it's also for like saying this.
• 38:25
  I know. And then?
• 38:28
  I have here marry him if you dare from 2013.
• 38:31
  This is one of the worst dramas I've ever seen.
• 38:34
  But a woman? 'S future self travels back to
• 38:37
  prevent her past self from marrying the wrong person and
• 38:40
  chase her dreams. And then of course, Splash
• 38:42
  Splash Love, which we just talked about from 2015 high
• 38:47
  school students suddenly journeys to the chosen dynasty
• 38:49
  and falls for the king in this cute compact time slip drama.
• 38:53
  I can't say enough good things about Splash Splash Love.
• 38:55
  Anyway, I don't know if you guys had thoughts about the fact that
• 39:00
  time travel was so prevalent and sort of is still prevalent in K
• 39:05
  dramas. It is almost like a genre or sub
• 39:08
  genre into its own I. Don't have any deep thoughts on
• 39:12
  it, I just love it as a sub genre.
• 39:15
  I really, because I think I really enjoy the idea of
• 39:20
  revisiting things that you would like to change.
• 39:23
  You know, everyone has, I feel like everyone has the those, you
• 39:26
  know, pivotal moments, pivotal cringe moments in their life
• 39:31
  where it's like all of a sudden comes snowballing back to you
• 39:35
  and you're in that moment again. And you're like, I wish I didn't
• 39:38
  do this, that time, this awkward, terrible thing that I
• 39:41
  did or, you know, very uncomfortable situation.
• 39:44
  And so I always really enjoy this, the thought that like, oh,
• 39:48
  we could go back and fix it. You know, I'm not sure why it
• 39:52
  was such a big thing back in the day.
• 39:54
  I think it's really hilarious that the same writer, director,
• 39:57
  team had two time travel dramas in the same year.
• 40:01
  Yeah. Yeah, back-to-back, I mean.
• 40:04
  Maybe that's when it like really started taking off.
• 40:08
  I don't know what happened before then, but it was like
• 40:11
  they've they've now discovered this thing and so they're going
• 40:13
  to do a whole lot of it. And then over the years, you
• 40:17
  know, people still play with this because it's such an
• 40:19
  interesting concept. I feel like playing with time,
• 40:23
  like playing with, you know, the idea of like changing history or
• 40:27
  fixing mistakes or being unable to do those things despite
• 40:33
  having the ability to travel in time or whatever.
• 40:36
  I just think, you know, it's always going to be interesting
• 40:39
  because our lives are linear and finite.
• 40:42
  And so you know. Yeah, so.
• 40:47
  It's always interesting, I feel like.
• 40:50
  I feel like it's a trope. That's kind of obviously was
• 40:53
  really popular and I feel like K drums, you could probably chop
• 40:55
  peaks and troughs of like particular tropes, you know,
• 40:58
  that were like fashionable and like I feel like we had a lot of
• 41:01
  terminal illness in 2025. This is not something we need to
• 41:04
  revisit, I think. But time travel is is like
• 41:08
  obviously really popular during those dramas that you just
• 41:11
  highlighted in the 202012 and 2013.
• 41:14
  But it keeps kind of coming back because it does really work.
• 41:17
  And I think that there are so many different dramas that do it
• 41:19
  and use it in a different way and that we as an audience as
• 41:23
  well, like we're used to seeing it now.
• 41:25
  So I think you also need less explainers, you know, like if
• 41:29
  it's a time loop or if it's a time slip or it's true time
• 41:32
  travel, you kind of on board and then it's like a vessel is like
• 41:35
  a wristwatch or you know, it's like a charm or whatever.
• 41:39
  You're like, it's very quick for your audience to to get on board
• 41:42
  with it and you don't need to over explain stuff because it's
• 41:46
  such a common a common trope. I think for me, I like the
• 41:50
  second chance romance option for time travel.
• 41:53
  Like I that's why partly why I really love 18 again.
• 41:56
  I love the thought of someone kind of drifting through a
• 41:59
  relationship and suddenly thinking like, what, where did
• 42:02
  it all go wrong? You know, what happened to us?
• 42:05
  And, you know, maybe I regret doing this and maybe I regret
• 42:08
  doing that. Like what would it feel like if
• 42:09
  I could start over again with with my partner and yeah.
• 42:15
  I have to say for my. Part I really enjoy star crossed
• 42:17
  lovers and you cannot get more star crossed then you're not in
• 42:21
  the same time period. Yeah, you know what if your.
• 42:26
  Soul mate, What if your fated mate is in the a different time
• 42:30
  period right? What if your soul mates in the
• 42:32
  past? What if your soul mates in the
• 42:33
  future? I love that concept.
• 42:35
  I think it works nearly every time.
• 42:37
  For me, it's always the execution that kind of like bogs
• 42:40
  it down and messes up whether it's on pitch for me.
• 42:44
  But yeah, for the most part, I really like the concept and the
• 42:50
  premise of time travel. And as I said before, the
• 42:53
  simpler you keep it, the better. If you get into like, what's one
• 42:58
  that I was like, you did too much.
• 43:00
  This is confusing. It's the King, Eternal Monarch,
• 43:03
  which did. Time travel and.
• 43:05
  Parallel worlds. And I was like, yo.
• 43:09
  I loved it though a lot of questions.
• 43:12
  Versus answers on that one? It's very like Marvel multiverse
• 43:18
  type of situation and I gotta tell you.
• 43:21
  I am the biggest MCU hater. And I've seen all those.
• 43:26
  Multiverse movies. I've seen the Loki series and
• 43:29
  all that stuff and my head that did my head in.
• 43:32
  Exactly it. Does your head in?
• 43:33
  I don't like the multiverse. The only multiverse movie that
• 43:36
  I'm like this was amazing Was Everything Everywhere All Out.
• 43:40
  That's the only one that. I left the theatre and I was
• 43:41
  like on a high. I was like, yes, they nailed it.
• 43:44
  Yeah, yeah, that was good. Mine was a.
• 43:47
  Time called you, which is obviously the the Korean remake
• 43:51
  of Someday or one day that one just right like that.
• 43:54
  Just it just took me out. I just got so annoyed with what
• 43:58
  they were doing and I got very excited.
• 44:00
  I think. We all go into shows with the
• 44:03
  level of I have to suspend my disbelief if it goes too far
• 44:07
  into this is crazy. Like they've doubled down,
• 44:11
  they've doubled back. Why is this happening?
• 44:14
  I thought they couldn't do this and what is happening?
• 44:19
  All of that, if it compounds, I hate it personally.
• 44:24
  Some people. Just get through it and they're
• 44:26
  like, that was amazing. I love that love story and I
• 44:29
  applaud them for it. But anyway, Long story short,
• 44:32
  time travel is still big. I don't think it's going
• 44:35
  anywhere. Queen and Hun's Man did pretty
• 44:38
  well for its time slot. Because I looked up the time
• 44:41
  slot and I was like, what were they thinking?
• 44:43
  This aired at 11:00 PM. Wow.
• 44:47
  Super late. The ratings of 1.21.61 point 4%
• 44:53
  for these episodes, with the finale of peaking at like 2.1.
• 44:58
  That's good for that time slot because most people are in bed
• 45:01
  by 11:00. They're not watching television.
• 45:04
  You're not going to see double. Digit ratings for a show that's
• 45:07
  airing at 11:00 PM. Sarah and I were like, uh huh.
• 45:10
  Even though I like went to bed at 2:00 AM last night and she
• 45:14
  she did worse. Yeah, I was up at 3:00.
• 45:16
  I was up at 3:00. This was airing.
• 45:19
  On regular cable. And if you didn't catch it, you
• 45:23
  didn't catch it. Yeah.
• 45:26
  I have a fun fact to share, please.
• 45:28
  So I thought that I think we've all mentioned it the the main
• 45:33
  leads have great chemistry. So after the show I kind of just
• 45:36
  did a little bit of Googling. Turns out they dated.
• 45:40
  Yeah. So and he he confessed his love
• 45:44
  during a press conference. Was it.
• 45:46
  I was just like, this is cool. I did not know this.
• 45:50
  And it kind of I wish I had in a way, because I was like also all
• 45:53
  those liquidy eyes that he had, they were like for real for.
• 45:57
  Real they were. For real.
• 45:59
  Maybe that's. What caught my I was really
• 46:01
  like, these guys, they're just so good, you know?
• 46:04
  They've really got such good damage.
• 46:05
  I feel like she's got great chemistry with her, who she
• 46:08
  acts. I think she's a bit of a
• 46:10
  chemistry, but he was really smitten and I was like, I really
• 46:15
  feel like how smitten you are. Liquid Eyes is such a.
• 46:19
  Great way of putting it too. Speaking of liquid, I have.
• 46:22
  No tear about the food because now this might be taking us in a
• 46:25
  different direction but I had someone comment on a TikTok and
• 46:29
  I don't know when this was. I don't know who it was but they
• 46:32
  commented and said K dramas nowadays are just a vehicle to
• 46:36
  promote traditional Korean food and diet.
• 46:39
  And I was like, whoa. Whoa, whoa.
• 46:42
  I genuinely had never gave two thoughts about what kind of food
• 46:46
  is shown on K dramas and if there's been a change, you know?
• 46:51
  But watching this show, I was like, wait, they may be on to
• 46:54
  something because there was no Korean food at all in this show.
• 47:00
  All the food they were eating was Western food.
• 47:03
  They go to an Italian restaurant.
• 47:05
  You know, the managers for these Haliu stars in the show are
• 47:09
  eating table service bread, pasta.
• 47:12
  The manager in the show, the BFF slash manager, is eating cereal
• 47:17
  for breakfast. And I'm like cereal.
• 47:19
  Whoa. And then the female lead has the
• 47:23
  male lead pickup, Curry Caddick. Caddick.
• 47:28
  CARRE. And then they have more.
• 47:34
  Italian food later in the show, spaghetti and meatballs and
• 47:37
  mushroom fettuccine Alfredo, which he does not like.
• 47:41
  He did take to the spaghetti and meatballs that she was having.
• 47:44
  And it was at that point that I was like, we need to bring up
• 47:47
  the food in K dramas. Do you have any thoughts?
• 47:50
  Yeah. We actually did an episode on
• 47:53
  food. Actually we did 2A2 part.
• 47:55
  We ended up speaking about it so much, and I remember similarly.
• 47:59
  So I think the oldest drummer I've watched previously to this
• 48:01
  was Master Son, which I know that you watch too, Jess.
• 48:05
  And I noticed it in that they ate a lot of Japanese food.
• 48:08
  And then I suddenly thought, I don't think I've ever seen a
• 48:11
  contemporary K drama where they're slurping udon and eating
• 48:16
  a lot of very solidly Japanese food.
• 48:19
  Like they'll have to see sashima.
• 48:20
  Obviously Koreans eat sashimi, so that's the closest I see.
• 48:24
  But no, I absolutely think that part of the K dramas now is
• 48:28
  selling the whole K, the whole K culture and food is definitely
• 48:33
  part. I mean, idle Eye, they did not
• 48:35
  stop eating Korean fried chicken.
• 48:37
  So it's definitely not traditional Korean food that
• 48:39
  they're trying to highlight. It's just Korean food.
• 48:42
  Yeah, non-stop chicken eating. I was so hungry.
• 48:47
  It completely worked. And the shots of the food are
• 48:52
  like, beautiful, yes, you know, they're like ground worthy.
• 48:55
  Exactly. They're taking care in
• 48:58
  presenting it in an appetizing way.
• 49:00
  It wasn't unlike. This you know.
• 49:03
  Microwave. Exactly.
• 49:07
  Like I say, it's. So cheap because they don't need
• 49:08
  a food stylist. They don't need anybody to come
• 49:11
  here and babysit this food and make sure that a shot looks
• 49:14
  good, let alone nothing I think was sponsored as far as the food
• 49:18
  in this show there was. No, I can go.
• 49:20
  There was no subway, you know, So it was just like.
• 49:24
  Blessedly simple, and you know the food wasn't the thing of it
• 49:29
  at all. But if you stop to think you are
• 49:33
  kind of assaulted with the Korean food when that wasn't the
• 49:37
  case just a few years ago, you know, we.
• 49:41
  Have to mention the fashion. Because this is 2012.
• 49:45
  Listen the. Chunky early 2010's heels, the
• 49:49
  block heels. I was a victim of this.
• 49:52
  I had these kind of heels and I was wearing these heels.
• 49:56
  I don't know if you guys ever had this style of heel before,
• 49:59
  but it was a vibe. It was of a time.
• 50:02
  The scarves. With the casual T-shirts, I
• 50:07
  totally was wearing scarves. Listen, I've lived in Florida my
• 50:09
  whole life. What need have I of scarves?
• 50:13
  This was for aesthetics, OK? I was wearing scarves in this
• 50:17
  era. Yeah, I thought his.
• 50:19
  Beanies was so his Beanies were so *NSYNC boy band and double
• 50:26
  denim as well. So I kept going like I kept like
• 50:30
  I was like, this is boy band era.
• 50:32
  This is like that, that era of boy band for you and I.
• 50:35
  It was colored tights. I was like, colored tights must
• 50:37
  have been big in Korea in 2012. I don't think they were ever big
• 50:42
  inland. I'm not sure that colored tights
• 50:43
  ever caught on here. But yeah, obviously colored
• 50:45
  tights are a big thing. Colored denim.
• 50:48
  As well was big, I had like bright red denim pants.
• 50:54
  That I was wearing out. So a lot of things to ponder
• 50:58
  when it comes to the fashion on this show.
• 51:01
  What was the most 2012 thing about this show?
• 51:04
  That's a good question. I think it has to be the.
• 51:07
  Phones honestly like that, you know, because the phone
• 51:11
  technology has changed so much over, you know, the course of
• 51:15
  the last 25 years or so. And so, like, I imagine that was
• 51:20
  the hot phone, you know, that year, because I feel like the
• 51:23
  phones they showed them enough where like maybe that it was an
• 51:27
  ad. And same with the Audi cars.
• 51:30
  Yeah, the Audi. Cars definitely, yeah, yeah.
• 51:33
  I thought particularly with the fun, it was basically that we
• 51:36
  had lots and lots of shots where she is ringing him and there's a
• 51:41
  shot of her like in shadow silhouette.
• 51:43
  That was the look I think. I guess Samsung like when your
• 51:47
  when your profile pic comes up, it like you look like a criminal
• 51:50
  like it's not that yes. I was like.
• 51:55
  That's interesting, I think because phones are just like you
• 51:57
  said, grace, they've just moved on so much so it dates.
• 51:59
  So for me, definitely that and the fashion was the thing that
• 52:02
  really. Yeah, felt 2012.
• 52:04
  Gotcha. All right, we're going.
• 52:06
  To do our ratings and then I get into the spoiler section.
• 52:09
  What would you give this drama out of fives hold you bottles?
• 52:13
  I would probably. Give it like 4.5 or like 4.75.
• 52:20
  I mean it's. Very.
• 52:21
  Close to perfect. It's very close to perfect in my
• 52:26
  book. Yeah, Yeah.
• 52:28
  I'm the same as Grace. I'm gonna take a .5 surgery
• 52:30
  bottle, like half a surgery bottle just to see you through
• 52:32
  the night. So 4.5 for meeting.
• 52:34
  Oh my God. 4 point fives across the board because I just have
• 52:38
  like tiny if I have anything, it's like the tiniest little
• 52:40
  quibble, but like it's so good. I really had a great time
• 52:45
  revisiting the show. And if you want to watch it,
• 52:47
  it's on Tubi, so watch it on on UST.
• 52:51
  VUSTVUS in the. US.
• 52:53
  Yes, absolutely. We're going to get into the
• 52:55
  spoiler section right after this.
• 52:59
  Excuse me, I can't turn. I can't turn.
• 53:02
  You know. I have no tingles.
• 53:06
  Oh, sorry, swear. Discussing.
• 53:08
  Shares what? All right, we're on the.
• 53:14
  Other side of spoilers. So we are going to tell you
• 53:16
  exactly what happens in Queen and Hun's Man and why we love it
• 53:19
  so much. I think Sarah, you want to talk
• 53:21
  about the time travel and maybe some of the mechanics that
• 53:24
  really worked for us and the choices that they made that made
• 53:27
  this show really stand out and break our top five time travel K
• 53:32
  dramas list. Where would you like to start?
• 53:35
  I think there's one. Technicality on this that I
• 53:37
  wrote down, but that's. It it was.
• 53:40
  Very easy. Easy to understand because he's
• 53:44
  dealing with a charm that he got from a friend who picked it up
• 53:49
  from the chief monk at a temple do.
• 53:53
  You want to pick it up. From there, Sarah and then I
• 53:55
  think. What I really liked was that he
• 53:57
  could control the mechanism. So I think he I mean, he's a
• 54:00
  very smart male lead is our hero.
• 54:03
  So he figures out that he time travels at exactly the time when
• 54:06
  he's at threat of dying, which is a very novel and unique and
• 54:11
  makes for super dramatic like Zop, he's gone and then people
• 54:15
  are like, my God, where's he disappeared to?
• 54:17
  And then suddenly, you know he'd buy this like faux English phone
• 54:20
  box and right, right. And I really.
• 54:24
  Like that and then at the other end, he can choose when he
• 54:28
  leaves Modern soul that he can choose when he disappears.
• 54:31
  So there's again, dramatic moments when he's like locked in
• 54:34
  a shower that he decides, OK, now's my time to leave and.
• 54:38
  I quite like. That because I think a lot of
• 54:40
  time travel is kind of, you know, it's outside the person's
• 54:42
  control and they don't have such a neat way of doing it.
• 54:46
  And so I just thought I was super clever of the drama.
• 54:50
  And then once we got used to it, then they throw another spanner
• 54:54
  in the works, right, with the charm, because then you're just
• 54:57
  like, Oh my God, what's happened to the charm?
• 55:00
  Because then they first they slice it in half and that causes
• 55:04
  a whole timeline change, which I thought was really interesting.
• 55:09
  Yeah, that was really. Smart When the when the charm
• 55:12
  gets damaged, it gets sliced. Everybody.
• 55:15
  In her timeline in present day forgets it sort of like resets
• 55:20
  as if he was never there, but she remembers.
• 55:24
  She still remembers. Him and it's frustrating because
• 55:27
  they think she's a mental case because she remembers this man
• 55:31
  and nobody around her remembers. It's very, it almost feels like
• 55:34
  gaslighting, but it's not gaslighting because nobody.
• 55:37
  Genuinely doesn't remember yet. Yeah, that's legit.
• 55:40
  Like nobody remembers he didn't exist there and then in his
• 55:43
  timeline he forgets, but everybody else remembers that
• 55:47
  there was something that he was going to another place.
• 55:51
  Right. Yeah, right.
• 55:52
  Right, right. And meeting someone.
• 55:54
  And there was a woman, a mysterious woman that he was
• 55:56
  talking about. And I love that flip that they
• 56:00
  do in the show. I thought that was super smart.
• 56:03
  So they do that for the charm at first and then, you know, you
• 56:08
  kind of get a little more info about the charm and the monks
• 56:11
  like you really can't control like how this thing is going to
• 56:13
  behave. You think you have?
• 56:15
  Control. Over it.
• 56:16
  But you don't. And I love that aspect because
• 56:18
  they introduced that very early on when he's chatting with the
• 56:21
  monk, you know? There's a.
• 56:23
  Danger associated with using this charm.
• 56:25
  You don't know how things are going to turn out right?
• 56:29
  And I love that they throw. That in there.
• 56:30
  Yeah, totally. But then you.
• 56:31
  Forget that there's that danger until something weird happens,
• 56:35
  you know? And I like that they like, just
• 56:37
  sprinkle it in like a little bit here, a little bit there.
• 56:41
  And then towards the end there's a little bit more.
• 56:43
  But like, it's not like a constant like, Oh no, what's
• 56:45
  gonna happen next? It lulls you into this false
• 56:48
  sense of security in between each of the times when it does
• 56:52
  something weird, you know? And so you're like happily
• 56:56
  grinning away at them being cute and lovey dovey.
• 56:59
  And then you have like, no idea. You're like, OK, there's two
• 57:02
  episodes left. I wonder what's gonna.
• 57:07
  Happen and then you're like Oh my God.
• 57:09
  Oh shit, what are the Yeah, right, because.
• 57:13
  It was 2 folds the girl that gave him the charm, which was a
• 57:17
  servant of his late wife's because he had a whole life and
• 57:21
  children that like we don't even get it to.
• 57:23
  But his wife died and this servant is down bad for him and
• 57:28
  wants him to be protected throughout all of this, this
• 57:30
  political upheaval. She gets in this charm, she dies
• 57:34
  and the charm acts up. Also the original monk who made
• 57:37
  it for her to give to him also died.
• 57:40
  So when this happens, it set us off this chain reaction.
• 57:43
  He cannot return to the present day.
• 57:46
  And you're like, how the hell are we going to?
• 57:48
  And I love how they reveal it that, like, first she dies and
• 57:51
  he's, you know, fighting the last villain of this Lord Minam.
• 57:55
  Yeah, he's like. It's familiar.
• 57:57
  Face, by the way, that actor's like in so many things in
• 58:00
  Mookie. So that the.
• 58:02
  Remnant of that guy is crew that assassin.
• 58:05
  He offs him and it's this great one-on-one fight and you're
• 58:08
  like, Oh my God. So that villain dies and
• 58:11
  unfortunately that girl dies and then he has to figure out how to
• 58:14
  get back. So he's trying on this mission
• 58:17
  to find the monk. And then you find out the monk
• 58:20
  died, and you're like, yeah. And then you're like.
• 58:22
  Oh, that's why there were two shades of black.
• 58:25
  Like it was like mostly black when Uno died and then it it
• 58:29
  turned all the way all the way black.
• 58:31
  And that must have happened when the, you know, the the monk died
• 58:35
  and you're like amazing the. Magic is gone.
• 58:38
  I know. How can he get back to her?
• 58:40
  It's so devastating. Yeah.
• 58:42
  And I have to say that the mechanism for Puncto's time
• 58:46
  popping is that he has to just like utter a few words, an
• 58:50
  incantation and come back to the past.
• 58:53
  But when he goes to her, it's this life or death situation.
• 58:56
  He's basically killing himself to get back to her.
• 59:00
  And it's a true sacrifice. Like it's a sacrifice to go to
• 59:04
  the present because he does have to trust this charm and trust
• 59:08
  that this thing is going to work every time and he's not actually
• 59:11
  going to die in perish. It is high.
• 59:13
  Stakes in that respect, and I respect those mechanics heavily.
• 59:19
  And it means so much when he goes to visit her because he's
• 59:23
  killing himself to do it, putting himself in those.
• 59:26
  Dangerous situations. Yeah.
• 59:27
  Yeah. And I think the most crucial one
• 59:29
  was I was similar to Grace in that I was lulled into this
• 59:32
  false sense of security because I absolutely.
• 59:34
  I thought that the last battle was like, he's shot with three
• 59:38
  arrows, Right. Really.
• 59:39
  Well done. They're like, Oh yes.
• 59:41
  Shot with three arrows and then he's.
• 59:42
  Taken away by his servant and put near the charm like just in
• 59:46
  the nick of time for him to time travel, luckily directly to a
• 59:50
  hospital and he say and then you're like, OK, he's made it.
• 59:55
  He's chosen to sacrifice himself.
• 59:57
  He's he's double crossed. You know the villain.
• 1:00:01
  He's got the king on his side. He's he's left his like life
• 1:00:05
  behind. He's chosen to go like it's all
• 1:00:07
  good. And I'm like great.
• 1:00:09
  We get like 2 episodes of fluffy stuff.
• 1:00:12
  I'm like, great, right? I was like there was a little
• 1:00:17
  bit, I mean there was like 2% is a lot like 2.
• 1:00:19
  But maybe because it's a six episode, 16 episode drama, we're
• 1:00:22
  going to get like, you know, maybe it's going to be like,
• 1:00:25
  what's that drama that was just like full of fluff, the
• 1:00:29
  secretary pathogen and. Oh.
• 1:00:33
  What's wrong with Secretary? I thought it was going to be
• 1:00:35
  like. What's wrong with Secretary UK,
• 1:00:37
  which is just basically full of fluff and then more fluff and
• 1:00:40
  then two episodes of final fluff?
• 1:00:42
  So I was thinking maybe like older dramas, like they give us
• 1:00:44
  more fluff and then like Bam, he's just about to reach it and
• 1:00:48
  then I love. I love it.
• 1:00:51
  I love how they built up everything.
• 1:00:53
  You know, like you're talking about the three arrows thing
• 1:00:55
  that's in episode 14 where he gets shot with three arrows
• 1:00:58
  while he's on trial against Lord Minam and he produces A copycat
• 1:01:02
  charm in this whole thing and he's like, you didn't think I
• 1:01:04
  would really get it. That was.
• 1:01:06
  Amazing. Oh my God.
• 1:01:08
  It's so good, it's. So good.
• 1:01:10
  And you can like they do the quick flashback too, him telling
• 1:01:14
  the king the truth and he's like, yeah, I really am going
• 1:01:17
  back in time. This charm is real.
• 1:01:18
  It's magical. How do we get out of this?
• 1:01:20
  Because I, I want you to kill me and this is how you're going to
• 1:01:24
  get back the legitimacy and the political power that you need
• 1:01:27
  from this other faction. And it just like works out so
• 1:01:30
  well. But he has to take 3 arrows to
• 1:01:33
  the chest and you're like oh shit if.
• 1:01:35
  He could die the mysterious. ICU patient.
• 1:01:39
  Yeah, I know. You know, like disappears and
• 1:01:42
  I'm. Like, Oh my God, he made it,
• 1:01:44
  Yeah. It's fantastic.
• 1:01:45
  That I feel. Like a huge part of what made
• 1:01:49
  this drama good was just how smart he was and how quick he
• 1:01:53
  was like because you know that I see like he was like, OK, he he
• 1:01:57
  like planned it with his servant.
• 1:01:59
  He's like, come to this spot. Bring my.
• 1:02:02
  Clerk this spot. Because he was like, OK, this is
• 1:02:07
  where the ICU entrance is. And so like, when I'm about to
• 1:02:11
  die, these people can bring me back.
• 1:02:14
  It's just like. Wow, like you just like it's.
• 1:02:16
  Such a smart. Gamble.
• 1:02:17
  Oh my gosh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, fantastic.
• 1:02:21
  It's so good, I thought there. Was a visual.
• 1:02:23
  In that episode where he's going back after he's healed up, he
• 1:02:26
  had gone back since past and then he's going back to the
• 1:02:28
  future and this is the final time he expects never to come
• 1:02:31
  back again. He stabs his sword through the
• 1:02:33
  top of the the GAT his hat. I was like.
• 1:02:36
  This is hard. This is this visual is so hard
• 1:02:38
  to me. It looks so good.
• 1:02:39
  It's so sexy. It's such a symbolic.
• 1:02:42
  I'm never coming back here. We're done with the past.
• 1:02:44
  We're done with the humbug. We're done with everything.
• 1:02:47
  And then in this episode, he goes through and the emotional
• 1:02:50
  journey of these characters is so great because he does go
• 1:02:52
  through this moment when he's finally with her.
• 1:02:55
  And you think everyone thinks the audience thinks this is it.
• 1:02:58
  We're going to get 2 episodes of fluff, like you said.
• 1:03:00
  He tells her. Since I don't have a place to go
• 1:03:03
  back to, I feel like I've been orphaned.
• 1:03:05
  Yes, and. Then he tells her I love.
• 1:03:07
  You for the first time so he's still like going through these
• 1:03:09
  crazy emotions of like I have to leave everything that I've known
• 1:03:13
  the world that I know the status that I had the money that I had
• 1:03:17
  the servants that were loyal to me everything behind but I want
• 1:03:21
  you I want I want to be here with you and I love you I was
• 1:03:24
  like. Yeah, it's so good.
• 1:03:27
  I thought it was so powerful and the emotions were were valid and
• 1:03:32
  I I loved that journey that they go through totally.
• 1:03:36
  We talked about the. Kisses being so good in this
• 1:03:39
  show. Did you have a favorite kiss in
• 1:03:42
  this show? I did.
• 1:03:43
  I. Think for me it was a really, I
• 1:03:45
  mean, I have a lot watched a lot of K drama kisses by this point
• 1:03:48
  and actually it's really interesting to note that these
• 1:03:51
  kiss scenes are pretty steamy, right?
• 1:03:54
  This is how little social progression we've had. 2012.
• 1:03:59
  Kisses look almost steamier than some 2026 kisses that we have.
• 1:04:04
  But anyway, the one that was really unique to me was the case
• 1:04:06
  where she we have a shot of her toes and then she stands on her
• 1:04:11
  feet and I really, because they have a lovely K drama height
• 1:04:15
  difference, right? Because she's so dinky and he's
• 1:04:17
  like so nice and tall. And so when they're kissing,
• 1:04:20
  it's like she wants to just get closer to him.
• 1:04:23
  So she stands on his feet. I was like, that's good.
• 1:04:26
  I like that. Yeah, I agree.
• 1:04:28
  That's a really strong kiss, I think.
• 1:04:30
  That's an episode. 11 it's he finally comes back and he
• 1:04:33
  remembers her. This is post Charm Slice or
• 1:04:37
  whatever. And this was like their whole
• 1:04:41
  reunion episode where he like is there at the premiere of this
• 1:04:44
  event thing. I don't even know.
• 1:04:46
  And he's there on the red carpet and she spots him.
• 1:04:49
  Mind you, nobody in this world in the present day knows who he
• 1:04:53
  is at all. They think he's a just a
• 1:04:55
  phantasm of her mind and he's there and they end up back at
• 1:05:01
  like an Airbnb situation. He she's so smart bro, because
• 1:05:07
  he like guilts her into staying. She was initially going to
• 1:05:10
  leave. She was like, I got you this air
• 1:05:12
  baby, you could stay here and anyway, I'm going back home And
• 1:05:15
  he was like, how can you bear to leave me alone here at this
• 1:05:21
  house that I have? No, I don't know any but he
• 1:05:23
  guilts her so dirty and she's like, OK, fine.
• 1:05:27
  So they kiss and he's. Got.
• 1:05:29
  Impeccable kissing for him, by the way, because he's got like
• 1:05:32
  his hand on like the side of her cheek.
• 1:05:34
  And I think there's a line in here.
• 1:05:37
  But she says I thought my passionate temperament was the
• 1:05:40
  problem because she's been like kissing him this whole time,
• 1:05:45
  just. Initiating these.
• 1:05:46
  Kisses and he's doesn't know any better.
• 1:05:49
  He's thinking like, oh, is this how you guys say hello and
• 1:05:53
  goodbye stuff in the present day?
• 1:05:55
  And she's like absolutely like she's all over him.
• 1:05:58
  She tells him this because he's like, you're so forward, you're
• 1:06:01
  you're so passionate or whatever.
• 1:06:03
  And he says I. Forgot to tell you something how
• 1:06:06
  attractive that temperament is and she has been calling him
• 1:06:10
  player this whole show and she goes player she calls him player
• 1:06:14
  one more time he's like I totally admit that that I am
• 1:06:18
  playing you and that's. When she steps.
• 1:06:21
  On his feet to get at him better for this kids.
• 1:06:24
  They have an incredible height difference so if that's your
• 1:06:27
  thing, watch the show. And they like sway together in
• 1:06:31
  this kissing dance that's again super steamy.
• 1:06:34
  Like the quality of kissing in the show cannot be understated.
• 1:06:39
  I love that kiss as well. Grace, did you have a favorite
• 1:06:42
  kissy? Yeah, well, I.
• 1:06:44
  I love that. Obviously I love that one as
• 1:06:46
  well. But I thought their kissing got
• 1:06:49
  even better throughout, like because it's, you know, started
• 1:06:52
  out a little bit with the fish eyed, oh, I'm surprised type of
• 1:06:55
  thing. And then as the show progressed,
• 1:06:58
  their kissing got steamier and like more intimate.
• 1:07:02
  It was like there was the steamy hot kisses and then there were
• 1:07:05
  the like, oh, I just love being around you.
• 1:07:07
  I'm just gonna like, nibble all over you and like.
• 1:07:11
  Get up in there. And then I really loved when he
• 1:07:14
  was like, what are neckties for? And and she was.
• 1:07:19
  Like, Oh, I thought of what neckties are for.
• 1:07:22
  And then she's like, you know, well, a wife, you know, it's,
• 1:07:25
  it's a thing that, you know, sometimes wives will put on
• 1:07:29
  their husband's neckties for them in the morning.
• 1:07:31
  And then when you're like holding the necktie like this,
• 1:07:34
  you kind of and looking up at your lover's face, you just like
• 1:07:38
  it's romantic. So then you and then they kiss
• 1:07:41
  and she's all giggly and stuff. But I, I really thought that was
• 1:07:45
  very cute. And I loved his reaction.
• 1:07:47
  Like, I feel like you're teaching me things about, quote
• 1:07:50
  UN quote, the modern world, but all of these things are things
• 1:07:54
  that you're making up so that you can kiss me.
• 1:07:56
  And I love. I love that, Yeah.
• 1:07:59
  Like he clocks. Everything that she's doing very
• 1:08:02
  quickly, you know, she doesn't, she doesn't have the jump on him
• 1:08:06
  the whole show. Like he's not totally ignorant.
• 1:08:08
  Like you said, Sarah, he's very, very competent.
• 1:08:11
  He's extremely intelligent. There's moments where he's like
• 1:08:15
  figuring out what the clock is like, oh, every 5 minutes, you
• 1:08:19
  know, And then this whole thing represents 12 hours.
• 1:08:22
  And I was like, I would never, like, even a child can't figure
• 1:08:26
  out what a clock I know. I'm saying, like, that's
• 1:08:30
  impressive. He's so, so smart.
• 1:08:32
  Yeah. I love that he learns how to
• 1:08:35
  drive for her and buys her a car at one point and hackles.
• 1:08:39
  Ever. Sold twice, Yes.
• 1:08:42
  Yeah. He sells his.
• 1:08:43
  Family heirloom sword that he they got from the founder of
• 1:08:46
  Jolson and like he. Sells it the first.
• 1:08:49
  Time buys her car and as he's telling her, oh, I bought you
• 1:08:52
  this car. And they're chatting.
• 1:08:54
  He goes, I think they scammed me out of money.
• 1:08:58
  And then he sells it a second time because, like I said, they
• 1:09:00
  reset the timeline basically with the slicing of the charm.
• 1:09:03
  And he comes back with the sword again.
• 1:09:05
  And he's like, this time we can buy a house.
• 1:09:08
  We can buy all this stuff. Cell phone.
• 1:09:11
  It set me up. Yeah.
• 1:09:14
  That first time. That he sold it and got the car.
• 1:09:16
  And he was like, I don't know that this car is worth my
• 1:09:19
  heirloom sword. I mean, it was pretty valuable
• 1:09:21
  even back in my day. Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  And then, and then she like, she's like, well, let me show
• 1:09:26
  you something else that you can do with the car.
• 1:09:27
  And she's like, get in, get into the car.
• 1:09:30
  And they start making out in there.
• 1:09:32
  And he was like. Yes, I love that his.
• 1:09:34
  Reaction was like, ah, I see, Oh yeah, this is totally worth the
• 1:09:39
  price of my sword. Bro like we're all.
• 1:09:43
  Blushing so hard, like these scenes are cheez tastic and I'm
• 1:09:48
  lapping it up. Yeah, amazingly cheesy and.
• 1:09:52
  Wonderful. And they and they call.
• 1:09:54
  Themselves out on it right because she she says at some
• 1:09:57
  point she really likes cheesy things like that and he's like,
• 1:10:01
  what's cheesy He's like yeah, he goes and asked like the first
• 1:10:05
  friend slash manager like what does cheesy mean?
• 1:10:08
  Like how can I be cheesy? Like I also to love.
• 1:10:12
  I mean, you know time travel is always fun when it's fish out of
• 1:10:15
  water and I do think that they do a really great job of
• 1:10:18
  deliberately giving her very modern dialogue so she doesn't
• 1:10:23
  in any way try to make her language a bit anachronistic so
• 1:10:27
  that he'd understand She's like, I'm going to use like every
• 1:10:31
  modern day jargon that I'm going to like I've been using and I'm
• 1:10:34
  not going to dumb it down for you and you're just going to
• 1:10:35
  have to figure out what all these words.
• 1:10:37
  So that's like a lot of the fun of time travel dramas, I think
• 1:10:40
  when he's trying to say what is this, this and how does that
• 1:10:43
  work? That was really good.
• 1:10:45
  I like that. I think my favorite kiss.
• 1:10:47
  Is the library kiss but the second one that happens because
• 1:10:50
  he trespasses again at the library after the part ways the
• 1:10:54
  first time. Her and her manager go back to
• 1:10:57
  scrub the CCTV footage because she's an up and coming star.
• 1:11:00
  She can't have some kind of scandal come out with this rando
• 1:11:02
  in the library or her kissing him and stuff and he's still
• 1:11:05
  there. She goes to leave after meeting
• 1:11:08
  up with him again in the stacks. And he?
• 1:11:11
  Kisses her like he is learning very fast as we said through
• 1:11:15
  this whole show, and he has to know at this point that this is
• 1:11:19
  not how people say hello and goodbye.
• 1:11:22
  He goes around the. Stack as she's walking out and
• 1:11:25
  like grabs her and kisses her and I'm like.
• 1:11:31
  I think that's the first time. She calls him player because
• 1:11:33
  he's he's got the most so charming.
• 1:11:36
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I love.
• 1:11:39
  That actually that that they made him experienced right.
• 1:11:41
  So at no point you're thinking like this is some show some
• 1:11:44
  virgin who suddenly knows what he's doing.
• 1:11:47
  He's not no, he's like he's been married before.
• 1:11:50
  So let us tell you this, you know, And do you know when I
• 1:11:52
  was? Watching this second time I
• 1:11:55
  thought for sure that the wife that died was her, that she's
• 1:12:01
  maybe like a reincarnation of his wife which I feel like if
• 1:12:04
  they wrote it today. That would be.
• 1:12:07
  Ankle that they would take for sure because they never show the
• 1:12:10
  pregnant wife's face at all in any flashbacks.
• 1:12:15
  And I was like, oh. They're totally going to take.
• 1:12:17
  And who knows if that's something that the writers
• 1:12:19
  contemplated. And because, you know, they were
• 1:12:22
  having such success with what they were doing already, they
• 1:12:26
  were like, I don't think we need to sub that in and go down that
• 1:12:29
  route of he's into her because that's his wife in the present
• 1:12:33
  day. But yeah, I always that thought
• 1:12:35
  did cross my mind that they would do that.
• 1:12:37
  There was a coffee shop scene where he wipes cappuccino foam
• 1:12:41
  off of her lips. This is a thing that was in
• 1:12:45
  older K dramas. There was always some sort of
• 1:12:48
  food or something stuck to her face.
• 1:12:51
  They would either kiss it off or take it off with their hands.
• 1:12:54
  Either way, super intimate. They were obsessed with this
• 1:12:57
  trick in the early thoughts and 2010.
• 1:13:01
  Were there any points? In the show that really
• 1:13:03
  surprised you? Well, you know.
• 1:13:05
  Because of the way the show started, I kept thinking it was
• 1:13:10
  going to circle back. So I, you know, even though
• 1:13:12
  there's ups and downs throughout the whole show, I was like, this
• 1:13:15
  is going to be a happily ever after.
• 1:13:17
  I'm sure it's going to end on the very first scene.
• 1:13:21
  The very first scene, yes, I agree.
• 1:13:24
  Because they throw you. In to it and you're like what is
• 1:13:27
  this? And then it feels like they're
• 1:13:29
  going back and explaining it and then they're working their way
• 1:13:32
  through to that. So I kept I kept like looking
• 1:13:35
  forward to that scene and I'm actually ultimately really glad
• 1:13:39
  that they didn't end it on that. Oh really?
• 1:13:41
  OK, Yeah. Because.
• 1:13:42
  It kind of didn't fit. It didn't fit with the story in
• 1:13:45
  the end. And I loved the way they
• 1:13:47
  reunited in the at the end, but we'll talk about that later.
• 1:13:51
  And so so that was a surprise for me.
• 1:13:54
  I kept thinking this scene is gonna show up later on in this
• 1:13:57
  show, and it just never did. Right.
• 1:14:00
  Yeah. Yes, that was a very, I mean, we
• 1:14:02
  talked about King Eternal Monarch.
• 1:14:03
  This is a very King Eternal Monarch moment where he
• 1:14:08
  basically pops out of the past on this road in front of the
• 1:14:12
  palace. He's on a horse in Hamburg in
• 1:14:15
  the middle of the street, and she's pulled over her car and
• 1:14:18
  she steps out of the car like super emotional and obviously
• 1:14:21
  glad to see him. And then he's looking kind of
• 1:14:23
  like dapper up on the horse. And we never get that scene
• 1:14:28
  played out in real time. And it's not that I miss it, but
• 1:14:32
  like, they could have wrapped it up.
• 1:14:33
  They could have done it. Yeah, they just.
• 1:14:36
  Didn't feel the need. To Yeah, they could have.
• 1:14:37
  They didn't I I think the. Surprises were when, you know,
• 1:14:41
  the charm broke, everything reset but kind of didn't reset.
• 1:14:44
  And then again, yeah, at the end it reset in.
• 1:14:47
  Interesting. Ways so that you know there was
• 1:14:50
  always someone suffering. Basically there was.
• 1:14:54
  It's always someone. That has the memory of their
• 1:14:56
  relationship and that person is suffering because they can't get
• 1:15:01
  back to the other. Yeah, but I.
• 1:15:02
  Loved that he, you know, in the end he chose that suffering for
• 1:15:07
  himself. He was like, I hope that you
• 1:15:09
  forget so that you can live your life.
• 1:15:12
  But like right now, my memories of you are all I have left and I
• 1:15:16
  want to keep those. That's a man.
• 1:15:23
  Yeah, I don't. There's a couple of things that
• 1:15:26
  I want to chat about, but yeah, we'll skip to the end in like a
• 1:15:28
  second. The two technicality things that
• 1:15:32
  I thought were interesting about the time travel was that they
• 1:15:35
  don't show him actively sort of trying to commit suicide every
• 1:15:38
  time he goes back to her, which I thought was smart because then
• 1:15:41
  he just kind of shows up and you're like, hey, they're.
• 1:15:44
  Back together and it's never unless.
• 1:15:47
  It was he was being chased down. There was assassins some sort of
• 1:15:50
  attempt on his life, legitimate attempt on his life.
• 1:15:53
  Then they showed that. But as far as like he comes back
• 1:15:56
  and forth like a bunch of times and it's just on his timing
• 1:16:00
  whenever he wants. They don't show him like sitting
• 1:16:03
  there like about to. Slit his throat.
• 1:16:05
  Or fall on his sword, whatever it is.
• 1:16:08
  I thought that was smart. But he chops his hair off in
• 1:16:11
  this show very early on. He has like the Bieber haircut.
• 1:16:15
  Which I was like. Yes, absolutely of the time.
• 1:16:19
  It looks really good on this man.
• 1:16:20
  Whenever he went back in time, he had the top knot, he had his
• 1:16:24
  little bun and I was like, wait a minute, what's going on?
• 1:16:28
  And they actually explained it, the servant that he, the
• 1:16:30
  manservant was like, you can't tell anyone that you cut your
• 1:16:33
  hair and don't tell anyone that this headpiece is real.
• 1:16:36
  Like it's he basically has some sort of wig or or sewing or
• 1:16:40
  something. That's on his.
• 1:16:42
  Head yeah, that the servant gave him or required for him, and he
• 1:16:46
  wears that every time he goes back to the past.
• 1:16:49
  It got. Me thinking about, oh, you know,
• 1:16:52
  what did men who were balding do back in Joseon and this was
• 1:16:56
  probably it. Yeah, that's.
• 1:17:00
  Kind of hard. To fabricate, Oh my God, you
• 1:17:03
  chopped off your hair like, let's make this from scratch.
• 1:17:07
  So they must have had them like at the marketplace, right?
• 1:17:11
  It must have been mass. Produced in a sense, yeah, some
• 1:17:14
  slaves. Just like, literally just
• 1:17:16
  glaring their hair for fake top knots, yeah.
• 1:17:19
  Right, toupee? Yeah.
• 1:17:21
  Exactly. But there's a one point where he
• 1:17:28
  doesn't seem fazed. He's talking to the man server.
• 1:17:30
  This is the same conversation and he doesn't seem fazed that
• 1:17:32
  he cut off all of his hair. And I thought, oh, this might be
• 1:17:35
  different if this was made today and they would learn more
• 1:17:38
  heavily into the Confucian aspect of the hair and keeping
• 1:17:43
  it long back in the day versus he seems like he's already
• 1:17:47
  adopted modern day thinking about it.
• 1:17:49
  And he's like, whatever, I chopped my hair.
• 1:17:52
  But I feel like that was an opportunity.
• 1:17:54
  They don't hand hold you in this show at all, which I really
• 1:17:59
  appreciate. They just give you.
• 1:18:00
  It's not for us, right? Like it's for the Koreans.
• 1:18:02
  And that's the thing that I love about watching older K dramas is
• 1:18:06
  that there's really not a lot of explanation for why.
• 1:18:10
  Why would people be fazed in the chosen era that he chopped off
• 1:18:15
  all his hair? You just kind of have to
• 1:18:16
  understand inherently the big deal that it is right the. 2nd.
• 1:18:21
  Technicality. That I was going to bring up is
• 1:18:23
  that in one of the early episodes one or two he brings
• 1:18:26
  his horse through the time travel as well as an assassin
• 1:18:31
  from the chosen era follows him. I mean he kills him in front of
• 1:18:36
  her which causes her to freak out and pass out from the shock
• 1:18:40
  of the entire thing of this time traveller coming out of nowhere
• 1:18:43
  and killing someone in front of her.
• 1:18:44
  But then the assassin sort of disintegrates in front of her as
• 1:18:47
  well. And I was like is it cause the
• 1:18:50
  charm is not for him? And then that was the only thing
• 1:18:54
  that I thought was. I totally forgot about that,
• 1:18:58
  yeah. I I.
• 1:18:59
  Figured he disintegrated because his body is now in the present
• 1:19:04
  day and it's 300 years old, so his corpse would have
• 1:19:08
  decomposed. Yes.
• 1:19:10
  Which also begs the. Question when our Mae Lily dies,
• 1:19:15
  does that mean his corpse is going to disintegrate because
• 1:19:18
  he's not from that era and suddenly at the physics of a 300
• 1:19:22
  year corpse is going to take hold of his body or like I have
• 1:19:27
  questions about this weird technicality so that they.
• 1:19:30
  Introduced. What this?
• 1:19:32
  Reminded me because actually I remember thinking in that scene,
• 1:19:35
  ah, so you can bring someone over with you.
• 1:19:38
  And then I thought this is another one of those.
• 1:19:40
  I thought this was going to happen in the plot at some
• 1:19:43
  point. His his maid who has now become
• 1:19:45
  a how'd you say it? Grace Ki Seng Ki Seng.
• 1:19:50
  Says, you know, says wouldn't it be?
• 1:19:51
  Amazing. I would love to live in a world
• 1:19:54
  where it was possible to be myself or something along those
• 1:19:59
  lines. And I thought that was
• 1:20:01
  foreshadowing how at some point in the future, she was going to
• 1:20:05
  time travel with him, and then she'd be able to live in modern
• 1:20:08
  soul and live her life that she just wanted to live instead of
• 1:20:11
  be, you know, just playing the chin, like, really, really
• 1:20:14
  sadly. And yeah.
• 1:20:16
  So then when it turned out that she was dead, I was like, is she
• 1:20:21
  dead? Dead because she's supposed to
• 1:20:22
  go back. That was what I had because.
• 1:20:26
  She was so. She was so sad.
• 1:20:28
  She was so in love with him, like just so in love with him.
• 1:20:31
  And she, but she was his, you know, she was really standing by
• 1:20:34
  him. She was so loyal to him.
• 1:20:36
  And I thought that was going to be her gift for all of that
• 1:20:39
  loyalty and giving him the charm was that she was going to get to
• 1:20:42
  live her own life. And then it didn't happen.
• 1:20:45
  I know. That's a really good point.
• 1:20:47
  I think it. Crossed my mind.
• 1:20:50
  That someone would travel back and forth with him.
• 1:20:52
  It didn't cross my mind that, you know, would.
• 1:20:55
  But yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
• 1:20:57
  That like, they threw that little singer in there, that she
• 1:20:59
  wanted that world. She craved that world.
• 1:21:02
  And she never. Got it.
• 1:21:03
  She died. Because she when?
• 1:21:06
  He lost his memories of Hejin after the thing got sliced.
• 1:21:11
  This charm slice. Yeah.
• 1:21:12
  Yeah, the charm. Slice.
• 1:21:14
  He offered to take her as his concubine.
• 1:21:17
  Yeah. And she was like, no.
• 1:21:19
  And I was like, what do you mean no?
• 1:21:21
  This is your opportunity, girl. Yeah.
• 1:21:23
  I forgot that bit. Yeah, that's right, she did.
• 1:21:26
  Say no. Yeah, but she.
• 1:21:28
  Said no, I would rather go and live in that other world that
• 1:21:31
  you told me about. And so I also, Sarah was way
• 1:21:35
  waiting for this to happen. And then as the drama continued,
• 1:21:41
  I started thinking, oh, I forgot about the whole horse assassin
• 1:21:45
  thing at the very beginning. Yeah.
• 1:21:47
  And I started thinking, oh, maybe he can't take anyone.
• 1:21:50
  Oh, he can't take anyone. That doesn't work because it's
• 1:21:53
  not for them. Because the that was after they
• 1:21:56
  described, oh, the charm only works for him, right, Right.
• 1:22:00
  And so once they describe, they explained that I was like, oh, I
• 1:22:02
  guess he can't take anyone. And so I kind of gave up hope in
• 1:22:06
  that. But I definitely had a few
• 1:22:09
  episodes where I was thinking, yes, she's gonna get to move to
• 1:22:14
  modern. Day.
• 1:22:15
  Soul, I agree and then. I also thought maybe, and this
• 1:22:20
  was my original, like when I was originally watching the show in
• 1:22:22
  20/12/2013, whatever, I thought she, the male, the female lead,
• 1:22:27
  was going to go back in time at some point in the show, and it
• 1:22:30
  never happened. Yeah.
• 1:22:32
  So this little technicality about the assassin making it
• 1:22:35
  through whatever portal opens up for this man when he disappears,
• 1:22:40
  it just didn't manifest in any way in the show.
• 1:22:43
  They just kind of leave it be. And that's the best way to do
• 1:22:47
  it, I guess, is to like, not overcomplicate it and try and
• 1:22:51
  like, fix it. They're just like anyway, even
• 1:22:54
  if there's a. Few plot holes, you know, we'll
• 1:22:56
  just move on, right? It's very.
• 1:22:58
  Like, OK, and we're moving on because it really doesn't serve
• 1:23:01
  any larger function in the story.
• 1:23:03
  It could. Have as we.
• 1:23:04
  Said like, he could have taken, you know, to the present.
• 1:23:07
  They could have maybe had her go back in time or maybe Lord Menem
• 1:23:11
  could have like ended up in the present day.
• 1:23:13
  Like something could have come through that had more sway over
• 1:23:19
  the plot, but nothing really did and I think that was good.
• 1:23:22
  Yes, I think that was good. How?
• 1:23:23
  Annoying was the BFF manager. There was a lot of shrieking.
• 1:23:29
  I feel like, I feel like there's always a character just a lot of
• 1:23:32
  shrieking in all the K dramas. I actually kind of.
• 1:23:36
  Liked her character in the I think you needed to have someone
• 1:23:39
  that was constantly questioning her and looking out for her and
• 1:23:43
  pointing out that she's a celebrity and she can't behave
• 1:23:45
  this way. And I think it created that
• 1:23:48
  conflict and that tension because as we've said already,
• 1:23:50
  this is a really tight cast. So I think she did really good
• 1:23:54
  on role and you know, she got used to block them at certain
• 1:23:58
  points and stuff. But yeah, I just needed her to
• 1:24:01
  be like a notch down volume wise.
• 1:24:03
  And yeah, just be, I mean, because she's like, she's at the
• 1:24:07
  same time presented as his characters being like, I'm the
• 1:24:09
  manager, I'm the sensible one. I'm thinking things through.
• 1:24:13
  But she was also like hysterical a lot.
• 1:24:15
  So I was like, yeah, choose which one you want to be.
• 1:24:19
  Choose Elaine. Yeah, I found her so
• 1:24:21
  insufferable for most of the show, especially when you're the
• 1:24:25
  audience and you're rooting for these two, the male lead and the
• 1:24:27
  female lead to be together and she's constantly cock watching
• 1:24:30
  them, especially after the the slice of the charm.
• 1:24:34
  And he's trying desperately to get back to her after he
• 1:24:36
  remembers what's gone on and like.
• 1:24:40
  He meets with. The BFF and the BFF is not
• 1:24:42
  putting them together. She's actively telling her to
• 1:24:46
  avoid phone calls from him like it's Oh my God, cannot be more
• 1:24:50
  annoying. But that's her.
• 1:24:51
  That's her function. That she was written.
• 1:24:53
  That way. So it's just yeah.
• 1:24:55
  But it's so and in some. Ways it's also her character's
• 1:24:59
  job. Yes, you know, and so I actually
• 1:25:02
  didn't get too annoyed with her because they also did they did
• 1:25:05
  that in little chunks here and there.
• 1:25:07
  They didn't like do it in an extended way where I got really
• 1:25:11
  frustrated. And so I ended up not being that
• 1:25:15
  annoyed with her. And I did think that the
• 1:25:17
  recurring gag of her interrogating and being like,
• 1:25:21
  what school do you go to? How much money do you have?
• 1:25:25
  What about your family? Exactly.
• 1:25:27
  Yeah. Sunkung Kuan.
• 1:25:28
  Funny enough, he. Says he went to Sunkung Kuan
• 1:25:31
  University. That actor did go to Sunkun
• 1:25:34
  Kuan. Yeah.
• 1:25:34
  Really. He.
• 1:25:35
  Actually went there. He went there.
• 1:25:37
  Did he live in Bokung too? Well, you know.
• 1:25:42
  Tongungan is like just like North East of Puchon.
• 1:25:47
  So maybe he did like. Oh my God, you know I.
• 1:25:53
  Have a scene here that I really liked and it was in episode 11
• 1:25:57
  when the ex-boyfriend comes over and he's being really handsy
• 1:26:03
  with her and he is avoiding the breakup that he knows is coming
• 1:26:07
  because she's never been the same after she woke up from this
• 1:26:11
  coma. She got in a car accident when
• 1:26:13
  the charm slice happened and ever since then she's not been
• 1:26:17
  the same. And they got this water bottle
• 1:26:19
  scene of the male like spraying this guy in the face.
• 1:26:23
  It's so great and he's like. Oh, you have a leak in this
• 1:26:25
  house? It's so.
• 1:26:26
  Funny. And he accuses her of basically
• 1:26:29
  2 timing when she finally gets the words out and says, like, we
• 1:26:32
  need to break up. Yeah, the male lead finally
• 1:26:35
  says, I'll be responsible for you.
• 1:26:38
  And he's looking at her so tenderly.
• 1:26:40
  And it this weird loft situation is in this this mezzanine level.
• 1:26:44
  Yeah, House, I don't know. Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  It's a very like. This would never exist in real
• 1:26:49
  life. It was built.
• 1:26:50
  For a 2012 K drama exactly it was.
• 1:26:52
  Built for a 2012 K drama. So he's up where the bed is in
• 1:26:56
  this loft area, looking down on them, like fighting and trying
• 1:26:59
  to break up and whatever. I thought this scene reminded me
• 1:27:03
  of Romeo and Juliet kind of because she's like down below
• 1:27:06
  and looking up and he's looking down and I don't know.
• 1:27:09
  It was very emotional and cute and stuff because up until this
• 1:27:14
  point he had never said he was going to try and stay here in
• 1:27:17
  this timeline and be with her and take responsibility for her,
• 1:27:21
  even though they've been kissing every episode.
• 1:27:23
  Saying goodbye, Jess. That was saying goodbye, yes,
• 1:27:26
  and. Hello.
• 1:27:27
  Yes, that's just what you do. Oh God.
• 1:27:31
  Alright. To be polite, yeah.
• 1:27:32
  Something else that I want to. Talk to you guys about was
• 1:27:34
  episode 12. It starts with I think they have
• 1:27:37
  sex after that kiss that she's standing on his feet.
• 1:27:41
  So it's presumed. That they have sex, yes.
• 1:27:43
  OK, presumed that they have sex. What did you guys think of this
• 1:27:48
  in a 2012 K drama? My first thought was.
• 1:27:51
  Does he know what birth control is?
• 1:27:53
  And like condoms, that was your. 1st I loved.
• 1:27:56
  That's your first thought? No, I was like is.
• 1:27:59
  This the direction that this show is.
• 1:28:01
  Going it's like a oops, I now. Have the child though.
• 1:28:07
  That is your old man funny. I mean, they could have.
• 1:28:10
  Gone with that. Like I'm sure that.
• 1:28:11
  They brought it up in their little writers room, these two,
• 1:28:15
  these two screenwriters and they were like, well, should she be
• 1:28:19
  pregnant by the end of the show? Because they.
• 1:28:21
  Had sex this one. Time and it's typing.
• 1:28:25
  Very. Iffy if they had any.
• 1:28:26
  Sort of birth control or condom situation, yeah.
• 1:28:30
  Wow. I do like the gag.
• 1:28:33
  That the next morning she sees a note by the bed and he's not
• 1:28:36
  there and she can't read it because it's all in Chinese.
• 1:28:39
  Yeah, that. Is.
• 1:28:42
  Funny and actually all it. Says is something for mine,
• 1:28:44
  right? Like yes, it's her dress.
• 1:28:46
  Yeah, I was wondering. Sarah Actually, when she picks
• 1:28:50
  up that note, I was like, oh, I wonder if Sarah could read this.
• 1:28:53
  Oh, I didn't try. Actually.
• 1:28:54
  Oh, OK. I've got really.
• 1:28:56
  Bad. I struggled.
• 1:28:58
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, she. Struggles so much.
• 1:29:01
  She's like, OK, this one's my name.
• 1:29:04
  And everything else I don't. Know maybe this is the number
• 1:29:08
  you know. It's really cute.
• 1:29:11
  All right, so let's talk about the.
• 1:29:12
  Last two episodes and then we'll get out of here Oh Jess, sorry
• 1:29:14
  I. Wanted to before we would get
• 1:29:16
  there. I wanted to talk about the angst
• 1:29:18
  in this drama because I think we talked about it, yeah.
• 1:29:20
  Talk about it so it. Is, I mean, I, I think I've been
• 1:29:24
  on record before on saying this, like I really like my fluffy
• 1:29:27
  Romicans, but I love them when they come with a back end of
• 1:29:29
  angst. And I think they do a lot of
• 1:29:31
  that. And I think part of the beauty
• 1:29:34
  of this construct that is when she loses him, when we have the
• 1:29:37
  charm slice and she resets. But then she kind of knows it's
• 1:29:41
  that that goblin thing of like, I know that I had a great love
• 1:29:45
  at one point, but I can't really remember him.
• 1:29:47
  Why am I so emotional? Why am I so emotional?
• 1:29:49
  Why? Do I keep?
• 1:29:49
  Yeah, exactly. All of that stuff.
• 1:29:51
  But I really, really love every single time.
• 1:29:54
  She's the only one who really knows what's going on.
• 1:29:57
  She has no one else to confide in.
• 1:29:59
  Her best friend is bugging her the whole time, like saying like
• 1:30:02
  who is this guy? Like what's going on?
• 1:30:05
  Get a grip. You need to be in your drama.
• 1:30:07
  And she's just like, you know, I have a love and I can't tell him
• 1:30:12
  about, I can't tell anyone about him because everyone thinks I'm
• 1:30:15
  freaking nuts because he comes. From.
• 1:30:18
  Just in like 300 years ago, but I really love him and I just
• 1:30:22
  started saying it out loud. This is.
• 1:30:24
  Just the best. Angst ever and you and that does
• 1:30:27
  like she just does. As I said, such good cry scenes.
• 1:30:31
  So she does. I really.
• 1:30:32
  Really. Felt for her and then flip side
• 1:30:35
  for him when he has his one year without her, he pens that letter
• 1:30:40
  Like I always love a letter in a drama so.
• 1:30:44
  Oh my God, we'll we'll get to it in the.
• 1:30:46
  End but like he has his like crying scene as well and I'm
• 1:30:50
  just like all of those scenes were the bits where my heart was
• 1:30:52
  like I really like it when it feels like a bit broken and then
• 1:30:56
  I can kind of hope that it'll be healed again.
• 1:30:58
  They did it so well. I agree.
• 1:31:00
  They did. I mean, 300 years is a really
• 1:31:03
  good reason for angst and yearning.
• 1:31:06
  It's like we're separated by three centuries of time.
• 1:31:11
  We don't. Know if we'll.
• 1:31:12
  Ever see each other again? And they did it in such dramatic
• 1:31:15
  ways, especially toward the end. So yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:20
  And then also. The I really like the trope of
• 1:31:21
  like, she kept having to read the history and everyone was
• 1:31:25
  like, wow, you're such a dedicated actress that you keep
• 1:31:28
  researching. Like.
• 1:31:30
  Queen Indians like history and she's just like reading it going
• 1:31:34
  like he died, he died and like she's crying her eyes out and
• 1:31:38
  they all think that she's being really empathetic as an actress.
• 1:31:40
  I just like that whole running gag was just so it was both
• 1:31:44
  funny and also we obviously felt really, really sad for her.
• 1:31:47
  Do you know you brought up a great.
• 1:31:49
  Point because she's starring in this historical, this Haggu
• 1:31:53
  within the show, she's acting as Queen and Hyun and the script
• 1:31:57
  keeps changing every time he changes something in the past.
• 1:32:01
  And that just goes to show that in the confines of the show,
• 1:32:04
  they are presenting a very real genre, which is the saga genre.
• 1:32:10
  And they are obsessed with accuracy, right?
• 1:32:14
  The script. Wouldn't change if they were
• 1:32:15
  doing some sort of riff off of history.
• 1:32:18
  They're doing a one for one, yeah.
• 1:32:21
  And I thought that was. Important to note that was very
• 1:32:24
  standard for his Hog books for a very long time, is that they
• 1:32:28
  were historical fiction, but it was based on something real,
• 1:32:32
  something tangible. I love that she is constantly
• 1:32:36
  trying to catch up with him because he's moving very fast
• 1:32:40
  and changing things, big things. She's.
• 1:32:43
  Only finding out. Because of the show that she's
• 1:32:45
  in. And it's a long show, long
• 1:32:48
  action, totally. And I love that it it's always
• 1:32:51
  big enough that it would cause a script change because there's
• 1:32:55
  these conversations, you know, that the second male lead has
• 1:32:59
  with the director when he's mad at her, like, let's just kill
• 1:33:01
  off Queen Ignon. And the director's like, you
• 1:33:04
  can't just kill her off. This is like based on real
• 1:33:07
  history. And then, like the next episode,
• 1:33:10
  they're like, OK, And then so she dies.
• 1:33:12
  And then she gets mad because she thinks that the second male
• 1:33:16
  lead changed the script, but it's actually the history had
• 1:33:19
  changed. Yeah.
• 1:33:20
  I thought that was really cleverly done.
• 1:33:22
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:33:23
  I agree. We covered a lot of what happens
• 1:33:25
  in these last two episodes already, but you talked about
• 1:33:28
  the love letter that he writes her and this beautiful scene of
• 1:33:31
  him just devastated and crying. And, you know, he's effectively
• 1:33:36
  never going to see her again, never going to get back to the
• 1:33:39
  present. And he's already lost everything
• 1:33:42
  that meant anything to him. You know, earlier in the show
• 1:33:45
  when he was wrapping things up in the past, in the chosen era.
• 1:33:49
  And he writes this love letter. They've got this line in here.
• 1:33:52
  He says a pointless life without even memories would be hell.
• 1:33:55
  He hopes that she forgets him if he burns the charm, destroys the
• 1:34:01
  charm. But he hopes that he remembers
• 1:34:04
  her. And it's so raw and so painful
• 1:34:07
  and so angsty. And he just looks so sad.
• 1:34:11
  Oh my God. I loved it.
• 1:34:13
  I loved everything about that. Simon.
• 1:34:15
  Yeah. I think also for me, like he is,
• 1:34:18
  I mean, he is, you know, competency porn, right?
• 1:34:21
  He is really great male lead. He's So what I really love about
• 1:34:25
  him as well, like he's so calm and he's so every obstacle he's
• 1:34:30
  thinking it through. I love this actor's smile as
• 1:34:33
  well. Like he obviously I love the
• 1:34:35
  thing where she's I mean, you and I always does this really
• 1:34:37
  well, but she's kind of bit scatty and a bit like crazy and
• 1:34:41
  and bright and sparkly and he just loves all of that about
• 1:34:45
  her. So he's always looking at her
• 1:34:47
  quite indulgently in a bit like, you know, you are really cute
• 1:34:50
  kind of thing. But everything that obstacle and
• 1:34:53
  thing that he comes up against, like, you know, everything he
• 1:34:55
  doesn't understand, obviously there's a lot of it.
• 1:34:57
  He just deals with it so calmly. And when he really breaks, I
• 1:35:02
  think then that even feels like more more painful because you're
• 1:35:06
  like, suddenly this this guy that was like, I can fix this.
• 1:35:10
  I can sort this. I've got solutions for this.
• 1:35:13
  Suddenly he has to face up to the fact that he's run out of
• 1:35:16
  solutions and road now the monk died and he just can't work out
• 1:35:22
  how to get back to her. Like he can't solve for it.
• 1:35:24
  And then, you know, the enemies for him are coming to get him as
• 1:35:28
  well. So he is slowly walking towards
• 1:35:31
  what he thinks is his, his final days as well.
• 1:35:34
  And we finally see him break. And that's really powerful.
• 1:35:37
  Yeah. Because.
• 1:35:38
  He's had it together pretty much this whole time.
• 1:35:42
  He's been really good at controlling his emotions.
• 1:35:46
  And that moment when he breaks as he's writing this letter,
• 1:35:50
  he's like, I hope you'd find it and think it's written about
• 1:35:53
  somebody else and like, it's so and.
• 1:35:56
  Then it's. Prophetic, isn't it?
• 1:35:59
  They do it so well. They use this letter so well.
• 1:36:02
  They use that because. In the final episode, she gets
• 1:36:06
  called up to narrate this historical documentary called
• 1:36:10
  Queen and Hyun's Man. The name of the show in the
• 1:36:14
  show, and they found this letter amongst this official's
• 1:36:19
  belongings. And if they think it was written
• 1:36:22
  to Queen and Hyun, it's evidence that she had this affair, this
• 1:36:26
  man that was actually might have been in love with her and all
• 1:36:28
  this stuff, right? Just like a show that maybe
• 1:36:31
  you'd watch today that's, you know, on The History Channel or
• 1:36:35
  whatever this program that comes on.
• 1:36:37
  She forgot. She forgot him completely, but
• 1:36:40
  he remembers. And that's just what he wished
• 1:36:43
  when he burned the charm. Oh my.
• 1:36:47
  God when she's. Filming at the palace and
• 1:36:48
  crying, and she just doesn't know why she's crying, why she's
• 1:36:51
  so emotional. Yeah.
• 1:36:54
  I love that so much because it was like her body remembered,
• 1:36:58
  yeah. Her.
• 1:36:59
  Minded. I love that one.
• 1:37:01
  It's like that. The single tear falls down your
• 1:37:04
  face and you're like, wait, what is this?
• 1:37:06
  What's going on you? Know and then like and.
• 1:37:09
  Then she's like, more and more overcome by this visceral
• 1:37:12
  emotion. Yeah, like she's grieving.
• 1:37:14
  Something she doesn't know what the hell she's grieving.
• 1:37:17
  I love her. She's like, what the hell is
• 1:37:18
  going on? Yeah, I love this reaction.
• 1:37:21
  From her and she just can't get through through it, can't work
• 1:37:24
  through it. And in the past simultaneously,
• 1:37:27
  he has been captured, he's in prison, he still has those
• 1:37:31
  modern day clothes, the final outfit that he had when he left
• 1:37:34
  her. And he takes the necktie.
• 1:37:36
  The necktie. The necktie.
• 1:37:40
  He uses it to make a. Noose to commit suicide and I
• 1:37:44
  was like oh. I'm.
• 1:37:48
  Going to keel over? And as he is hanging from a
• 1:37:52
  beam, she finally gets a glimpse of the past that she's forgotten
• 1:37:58
  and remembers his phone number, dials the phone number.
• 1:38:03
  His phone lights up in the past. The call is connected.
• 1:38:09
  Amazing the new charm. It's a phone.
• 1:38:13
  It's a phone, she fully. Remembers him and he comes down
• 1:38:19
  from the beam doesn't finish dying and you know he answers
• 1:38:25
  her call and gets. Transported.
• 1:38:29
  Back to the present. Day I loved.
• 1:38:32
  It I. Loved it 2 technicalities that
• 1:38:35
  it doesn't ruin it for me but it's just like OK how the hell
• 1:38:39
  was that phone on for a year? Miss same that's.
• 1:38:43
  I like this is a. 2012 phone. I mean my one barely lasts a
• 1:38:47
  day. How is that one lasting a year?
• 1:38:50
  I was like, I don't. Remember my phone lasting that
• 1:38:53
  long a year? Without.
• 1:38:55
  Charging all right maybe he shut it off and turned it on whatever
• 1:39:00
  yeah but totally, you know you can work around it that maybe he
• 1:39:04
  turned it on recently and he still had some juice in it but
• 1:39:07
  anyway there was that it was the best model in. 2025, yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:10
  He bought they're really. Selling this well, he had a lot
• 1:39:13
  of sword money. So he was, he was able to avoid
• 1:39:15
  like it's like today's equivalent of the iPhone 17 Pro
• 1:39:18
  he bought top of the range. And then the second
• 1:39:22
  technicality. That I loved was how the hell
• 1:39:25
  did he find her after he came back to the present day?
• 1:39:28
  Yeah, how did? He find her in that.
• 1:39:31
  Studio. Yeah, cuz she's not.
• 1:39:33
  Like, you know, by the faux English phone box, right?
• 1:39:35
  She's not old or in her apartment.
• 1:39:39
  She's. Just not in the usual spots.
• 1:39:42
  So how did he find her? No, no answers there.
• 1:39:44
  But their memories brought them back together and.
• 1:39:48
  It ends. With like a make out session in
• 1:39:51
  this studio as she's re watching the footage of this documentary
• 1:39:54
  that has yet to be finalized. And she's like, Oh my God, he
• 1:39:59
  wrote this letter for me. Oh my.
• 1:40:02
  God. It's so amazing, it's so good.
• 1:40:06
  I think you said you really liked this ending and and that
• 1:40:08
  they didn't ever return to that initial hook.
• 1:40:13
  Of him in. The street on the horse and her
• 1:40:17
  getting out of the car. Yeah, because I think.
• 1:40:19
  It was much more meaningful this way.
• 1:40:21
  Like to tie in his love letter and the whole necktie scene and
• 1:40:25
  he like cracks a joke about the like, you know, I really missed
• 1:40:30
  what you did with the necktie. I missed it to death.
• 1:40:32
  Like basically it's like it's like.
• 1:40:34
  Oh. That's really hitting the nail
• 1:40:36
  on the head there. You really did, Although the
• 1:40:39
  previous watcher of lots of procedurals like bones, I was
• 1:40:43
  like, oh, he would have died. He would have died his neck.
• 1:40:46
  Would have cracked, yeah, because.
• 1:40:48
  It's a yeah, it's a the weight of his body.
• 1:40:51
  On the neck, yeah, that's. What would have happened?
• 1:40:54
  But I was like, we'll just let that pass.
• 1:40:57
  Right. Like there's like.
• 1:40:58
  Technicalities in here that I don't think necessarily derail
• 1:41:02
  this thing at all, right? No it doesn't.
• 1:41:04
  You can suspend your, you know, disbelief or whatever for those
• 1:41:08
  small things because they're not huge things.
• 1:41:10
  They're like little things, like, even like her.
• 1:41:13
  How did he find her? Like, they were both in the kind
• 1:41:16
  of same area, and it was pouring down rain.
• 1:41:18
  And maybe as he was answering the phone, he was looking around
• 1:41:21
  and he saw her, like, enter the building or something like that.
• 1:41:24
  I don't know. Right.
• 1:41:25
  And then he darted. Into the bathroom to put on a
• 1:41:26
  suit, Yeah. That's right.
• 1:41:29
  And then came back out. Oh my God.
• 1:41:30
  He looked so good in that he done that was.
• 1:41:33
  Like especially. Especially when he was just
• 1:41:36
  wearing like the pants and the white shirt.
• 1:41:38
  The white shirt look, yes. Oh my gosh.
• 1:41:43
  Oh my. Gosh.
• 1:41:44
  I agree. I think.
• 1:41:45
  I know this is late to do this, but I think he's so fine.
• 1:41:48
  Like this guy. Yeah, does it for me.
• 1:41:51
  I think he has a unique face. I think if this was made today
• 1:41:54
  he would never get cast simply because because he doesn't look
• 1:41:58
  like today's stars, if that makes any sense.
• 1:42:02
  Yeah, I agree. I agree.
• 1:42:04
  It was nice to see. No veneers on anybody.
• 1:42:08
  Well. Except for that.
• 1:42:09
  Other guy, I think maybe he has had second melody.
• 1:42:12
  Second melody. Second melody, I thought.
• 1:42:15
  He did a really good job with his character.
• 1:42:17
  Also I agree, very convincing. Egotistical like selfish
• 1:42:22
  manchild, so unlike. But then at the end.
• 1:42:26
  When they're joking, like during the part where she forgets about
• 1:42:31
  Kimbundo and there's like this banter where he's like, oh, do
• 1:42:35
  you want to go out with me? I'm so lonely.
• 1:42:37
  They like joke with each other. I'm like, let's see, this is the
• 1:42:40
  right vibe. Because honestly, that part
• 1:42:42
  where the the leak in the ceiling and he's like, doesn't
• 1:42:45
  want to get broken up with and stuff.
• 1:42:46
  I was like feeling, I was feeling lots of feelings about
• 1:42:50
  like, oh, this, you know, it's like dangerous.
• 1:42:52
  Yeah. I don't like it.
• 1:42:53
  And then when, you know, the male lead swoops in and, like,
• 1:42:56
  intervenes and then he's like, don't you know men?
• 1:43:00
  Yeah. I was like, yes.
• 1:43:02
  Yes, she was like, I thought you left.
• 1:43:04
  I thought you left, she goes. And then he's like, why would I
• 1:43:07
  leave? Men are off.
• 1:43:08
  You don't know men at all. Like he was gonna go off the.
• 1:43:11
  Deep end. He was getting very aggressive
• 1:43:12
  with her. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:43:14
  Totally. Anyway, very convincingly
• 1:43:17
  played, though I felt very. Convincing that jawline could
• 1:43:20
  cut glass. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:43:22
  No, he was very believable as being the hottest K drama actor.
• 1:43:27
  Of the time, yeah. Yeah, I believe it.
• 1:43:30
  Lots of things that we unpacked in the show and the ending
• 1:43:33
  really stuck the landing. Do you have anything else you'd
• 1:43:36
  like to add about Queen and Hun's?
• 1:43:38
  Man, this was so much fun. It was so.
• 1:43:41
  Much fun. Thank you all.
• 1:43:43
  I have to say is this was totally not on my radar until
• 1:43:46
  you until you said, hey, what are the, you know, shows you
• 1:43:49
  want to do you have interest in? And then Sarah said that one.
• 1:43:52
  I was like, I have never heard of this, but yeah, I'll go for
• 1:43:55
  it. But I loved it.
• 1:43:57
  Yeah. I really.
• 1:43:58
  Loved it, been on my watch this for a while.
• 1:44:00
  I've because I really love you and I really love time travel,
• 1:44:03
  but I was always, I think it's an also hard for me to find
• 1:44:07
  because I don't enjoy having to do VPN because then I can't
• 1:44:10
  watch it on my big TV and I have to go do something else.
• 1:44:12
  But I was like, oh, this is a sign.
• 1:44:15
  Like, this is my push to watch it.
• 1:44:17
  And it was. It was great. 16 episodes zipped
• 1:44:20
  by and I loved it. I really, really loved it.
• 1:44:24
  Yeah, I'm so glad. And.
• 1:44:25
  I loved it too. I had a really great time.
• 1:44:28
  So easy pressing play on the next episode.
• 1:44:30
  There was no pushback from anything about it.
• 1:44:34
  I'm so glad that I got to share this with you guys.
• 1:44:36
  Thank you so much for coming on the show.
• 1:44:39
  Where can people find you guys online?
• 1:44:40
  We are. On Instagram at Afternoon Asks
• 1:44:44
  and our website is www.afternoonasks.com.
• 1:44:48
  Awesome. Thank you, guys.
• 1:44:49
  Thank you, Grace and Sarah. That's been our show.
• 1:44:52
  I'm Jessica and this has been the Tabak Here Rambles podcast.