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NFC West Betting Preview with Nick Lee · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the favorites presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours.
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  Speaker 1: We are an action network podcast. I'm Brandon Kravitz, your
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  Speaker 1: host back at it. With the first lady of the pod,
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  Speaker 1: Kendra Middleton. On today's episode, a single tear rolls down
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  Speaker 1: my cheek as our divisional previews come to a close.
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  Speaker 1: This has been so much fun, Kendra. Going piece by piece,
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  Speaker 1: division by division, team by team. We've handed out a
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  Speaker 1: ton of bets and hopefully we get over 50% of
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  Speaker 1: these to cash. We've got some long shots in there too.
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  Speaker 1: It's just been a ton of fun. I look forward
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  Speaker 1: to chatting with Nick Lee today.
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  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed some of the guests we've had. They've
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  Speaker 2: definitely made the I love the football season. But as
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  Speaker 2: people who work so much once it starts, I am
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  Speaker 2: like for once kind of just like, ah, shit, like
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  Speaker 2: it's starting crap. It's going to get cold and I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to be miserable and inside. But our guests have
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  Speaker 2: made me feel a sense of joy that we are
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  Speaker 2: heading back into our grind season.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, very much. So I start to really get antsy
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  Speaker 1: around like right after the first week of August, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's right after the hall of fame game. And
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  Speaker 1: we still get that first taste of football is when
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  Speaker 1: I really want to see the real stuff come back.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm really diving deep into the prep side of it.
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  Speaker 1: You can only prepare so much for an NFL season
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  Speaker 1: because everything is going to change within two to three weeks.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't want to It's kind of like I
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  Speaker 1: used to tell myself this. I wasn't the best test taker,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe take this with a grain of salt. But
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  Speaker 1: I used to tell myself this going into a test
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  Speaker 1: or I didn't know what the questions would be. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to over-prepare for this because I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to get locked in on... I studied chapters one
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  Speaker 1: through three and the test is on four through six.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of what the NFL season feels like.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed. Yeah, 100%.
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  Speaker 1: Or one out for the Pro Bowl, a sad day.
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  Speaker 1: I have a prediction on the now deceased... all-star game
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  Speaker 1: for the NFL. I think 10 years from now, people
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  Speaker 1: are going to be, people are already drunk with nostalgia.
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  Speaker 1: If you look at all the remakes and Hollywood and
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  Speaker 1: all of that, people are going to miss it. People
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  Speaker 1: are going to forget how bad the pro bowl was.
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  Speaker 1: And in about 10 years, if we're still doing this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: I'll try and remember this. There's going to be pressure
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  Speaker 1: for the NFL to bring it back from fans that
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  Speaker 1: don't remember or weren't around to see how awful it was.
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  Speaker 2: I just think once you have Mac Jones and Shador
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  Speaker 2: Sanders as pro bowlers, it's over. But it was really
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  Speaker 2: over once they removed it from Hawaii. Like the whole
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  Speaker 2: point of making a pro bowl was going on vacation
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  Speaker 2: with your family to Hawaii.
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  Speaker 3: It was like an honor. And it was a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: And once you move it to Orlando, who wants to
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  Speaker 2: go to vacation to Orlando?
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  Speaker 3: Like nobody, dude.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that I live in Orlando,
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  Speaker 1: by the way. And I do think we kind of,
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  Speaker 1: I think we kind of ruined it. I think I
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  Speaker 1: do think I, I host a local sports talk show
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  Speaker 1: in this city. And I will be saying this to
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  Speaker 1: my audience later this afternoon. I think that our presence
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  Speaker 1: and our lack of care for the event sucked the,
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that we're not Hawaii sucked the joy
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  Speaker 1: out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You guys are Disney and stop trying to be anything else.
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  Speaker 1: And all these players are like, they don't need the
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  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl to go to Disney, you know? So we'll
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  Speaker 1: pour one out for the Pro Bowl. Nick Lee covers
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  Speaker 1: the Seahawks, the Super Bowl champion Seahawks. We'll talk to
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  Speaker 1: him about that squad and the other three in the
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  Speaker 1: loaded NFC West in just a moment. But first, a
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  Speaker 1: Let's stay west to the NFC West and put this
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  Speaker 1: division under the microscope with our guest and good friend,
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  Speaker 1: Nick Lee, writer for Emerald City Spectrum. You can follow
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  Speaker 1: him on X at Nick Lee 51. Nick, the last
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  Speaker 1: time that we talked to you, the Seattle Seahawks were
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  Speaker 1: not Super Bowl champions. And now look at you. You
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  Speaker 1: got a beautiful hat on that dome. What's this offseason
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  Speaker 1: been like? Take me back to Super Bowl Sunday. What
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  Speaker 1: a ride.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a few things have happened since we last met.
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  Speaker 4: I think most of the offseason, even with, yes, we'll
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  Speaker 4: get to the NFC West and the arms race going on,
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  Speaker 4: but really for Seahawks fans, there's a picture that I've
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  Speaker 4: saved on my phone. I've made it a sticker, actually,
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  Speaker 4: and I send it all the time to my friends
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  Speaker 4: when they start to annoy me about their NFL teams.
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  Speaker 4: It's Mike McDonald staring into the Lombardi trophy and his
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  Speaker 4: reflection is in the trophy with a big old smile,
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  Speaker 4: just a million watt smile on his face through the
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  Speaker 4: Lombardi reflection. The aura.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And that has been the feeling in Seattle and the
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  Speaker 4: Pacific Northwest with all the other stuff going on in,
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  Speaker 4: in the NFC West and the NFL and sports in
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  Speaker 4: the world. Um, that picture has really kind of brought
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  Speaker 4: us back to, Hey, times are good right now. And,
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  Speaker 4: especially with other teams trying to catch up to him,
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  Speaker 4: trying to dethrone him. It's that smiling Lombardi reflection face
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  Speaker 4: of Mike McDonald like they did it. But also, I
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  Speaker 4: think it's also a reflection of Mike McDonald's not going anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think the Seahawks are going anywhere. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they might have some things here or there to take
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  Speaker 4: care of. But overall, yes, I went into that Super
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  Speaker 4: Bowl Sunday very confident. And they got the job done
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  Speaker 4: with an elite defense. And I don't think that defense
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  Speaker 4: is going anywhere. So it's a really fun time to
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  Speaker 4: be covering the Seahawks, a Seahawks fan. It's beautiful up
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  Speaker 4: here right now in the summertime. It's not humid. It's
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  Speaker 4: low 80s. It's a nice time.
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  Speaker 3: I have told this story 9,000 times.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm sorry for anyone who's heard it, but I
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  Speaker 2: need to tell this to you personally because you.
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  Speaker 3: Will enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: I watched the Super Bowl at a Hooters in suburban
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  Speaker 2: Boston and And it got so quiet there at one
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  Speaker 2: point during the fourth quarter that you could hear the
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  Speaker 2: guys in the back clanking the forks in the sink
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  Speaker 2: as they were washing the dishes.
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  Speaker 4: That is music to the 12s ears for sure.
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  Speaker 1: You could probably sell that as a solo track to
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  Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks fans, just the clanking of dishes in Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 4: Especially with how Super Bowl XLIX went. It was especially cathartic.
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  Speaker 1: I have, um, I have a hot take on this division.
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious to get your, your feel on this. This
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  Speaker 1: could perhaps be the best division in the history of
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  Speaker 1: football going into an NFL season. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: that's overstating things. You have a reigning super bowl champion.
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  Speaker 1: You have the odds on favorite to win the super bowl,
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  Speaker 1: which is a different team. and the 49ers who've been
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  Speaker 1: to a super bowl within the last three years with it.
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  Speaker 1: And they're ascending in quality. They were really banged up
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  Speaker 1: last year. The Cardinals sort of, they're like the lead
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  Speaker 1: boot of the division, but is that going a step
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  Speaker 1: too far to say that this going into the season
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  Speaker 1: could be one of the best divisions in the history
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  Speaker 1: of the NFL?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that's all that hot. Honestly, they had,
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  Speaker 4: I think the best year of any division last year,
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  Speaker 4: they have The NFL MVP in Stafford. Comeback Player of
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  Speaker 4: the Year in Christian McCaffrey. Offensive Player of the Year,
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  Speaker 4: Jackson Smith and Jigba. And both participants in the NFC
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  Speaker 4: Championship game. Yes, the Super Bowl champion and the current
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  Speaker 4: Super Bowl favorite. Three teams with 12-plus wins. All three
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  Speaker 4: teams also won at least one playoff game as well.
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  Speaker 4: Six total playoff wins. And also, moving into more of
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  Speaker 4: this year, I think they have the top three head
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  Speaker 4: coaches in the NFL. in the same division. I know
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  Speaker 4: Andy Reid stands will get on me for that, but
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  Speaker 4: I think that this is, it's going to be an
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  Speaker 4: absolute juggernaut. Once again, I know that the Cardinals are
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  Speaker 4: kind of the derpy dragon of the four-headed dragon here,
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  Speaker 4: but they're cooking something up that maybe in a year
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  Speaker 4: or two, they're building something that could be redemption. But
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  Speaker 4: I think I agree. And with having the division be
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  Speaker 4: such a juggernaut, there unfortunately does need to be a
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  Speaker 4: doormat to where the other three can just beat on them,
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  Speaker 4: and that's been the Cardinals. But I think they're poised
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  Speaker 4: to have another three 11-plus win teams again.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's start with Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: Can you give us your kind of TLDR, too long
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  Speaker 2: didn't read for the olds out there, of the team,
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  Speaker 2: what your expectations are of the season?
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  Speaker 3: And now Kenneth Walker is gone.
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  Speaker 2: Do you expect Sam Darnold to be able to play
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  Speaker 2: at the same level that he did last year? Give
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  Speaker 2: us a little bit of just a, I guess, spark
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  Speaker 2: notes on the Seahawks coming up for the season.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the biggest delta, of course, is losing Clint Kubiak.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's fair to say. And while going from
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  Speaker 4: Clint Kubiak to Brian Fleury as offensive coordinator, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: sure that's a bad thing yet. Or, you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: just an unknown. He comes from the Shanahan, San Francisco tree.
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  Speaker 4: And that is obviously a huge question mark because I
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  Speaker 4: think Clint Kubiak and Sam Darnold were peanut butter and jelly.
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  Speaker 4: That was a really nice pairing because people went into
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  Speaker 4: last year thinking there's no way Sam Darnold can repeat
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  Speaker 4: what he did in Minnesota, and he still doesn't have
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  Speaker 4: playoff success. And then Clint Kubiak and him linked up,
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  Speaker 4: and it was a match made in heaven. So that
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  Speaker 4: is a big question mark. I think that's very fair.
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  Speaker 4: I am not as sounding the alarm-y... about losing Kenneth
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  Speaker 4: Walker because, yeah, he went on a heater. He went
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  Speaker 4: on a heater to finish the year, Super Bowl MVP,
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  Speaker 4: but his overall body of work, he struggled to stay healthy.
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  Speaker 4: He was never really like a top five, top seven
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  Speaker 4: running back in the NFL, and I think he really
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  Speaker 4: benefited last year from staying healthy and also sharing carries
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  Speaker 4: with Zach Charbonnet, and they kind of kept each other
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  Speaker 4: fresh until, unfortunately, of course, Charbonnet went down. Um, so
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  Speaker 4: I'm not as panicking about that loss and really the
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  Speaker 4: Seahawks lost like only one of their top 10 in
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  Speaker 4: offensive snaps and one or two of their top 20
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  Speaker 4: defensive snaps. I mean, people don't realize how much is
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  Speaker 4: coming back this year. So it's been kind of a
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  Speaker 4: little bit annoying as well. I know I'm talking out
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  Speaker 4: of both sides of my mouth with, Oh, it's been great.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the reflection of Mike McDonald in the, Lombardi trophy,
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  Speaker 4: but I also think they're one of the more disrespected
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  Speaker 4: reigning Super Bowl champions I have ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good take. Yeah, that's a good take. All right.
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  Speaker 2: So you don't really seem that, you know, upset about
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  Speaker 2: the loss of Kenneth Walker. So does that mean that
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  Speaker 2: you have high expectations for Darian Price this season?
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  Speaker 4: I do. I think that just the structure in place
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  Speaker 4: in Seattle, they have a solid offensive line, which If
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  Speaker 4: you fast forward three, four, five years and tell Seahawks
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  Speaker 4: fans you're going to have a solid offensive line, they
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  Speaker 4: would laugh in your face. But it's finally that way.
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  Speaker 4: They have all starting five come back. And I think
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  Speaker 4: that is huge for a run game. And yeah, the
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  Speaker 4: terminology is going to be a little different. Fleury has
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of a different style. But I do
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  Speaker 4: think Jadarian Price is going to be RB1. Maybe they
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  Speaker 4: ease him into it a little bit in the first
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  Speaker 4: few weeks with George Helani and in there. But overall,
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  Speaker 4: I do think he's going to be a top 20
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  Speaker 4: running back in fantasy. I'm not sure you should be
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  Speaker 4: throwing around top two round pick on him, but you certainly,
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  Speaker 4: I think you can comfortably take him in the middle
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  Speaker 4: tier of your running back starters because just the volume.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to get the volume and Seahawks have a
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  Speaker 4: solid offensive line and they really were high on them
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  Speaker 4: in the draft and They drafted it for need with Price,
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  Speaker 4: but also I think it was a perfect marriage of
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  Speaker 4: need and one of the best players available. And I
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  Speaker 4: think he's going to be really thriving in that system.
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  Speaker 2: Something I've talked to all of our guests about through
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  Speaker 2: these previews is the schedule. I think that there is
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  Speaker 2: such a divide in the NFL media world between people
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  Speaker 2: who think the schedule matters and the schedule doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very much I think that the schedule absolutely plays
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  Speaker 2: a major role in your season. I mean, we saw
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots having such an easy schedule last year and
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  Speaker 2: it did them a lot of favors. I think it
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  Speaker 2: can be the same with a difficult schedule. How do
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  Speaker 2: you convince me that this over is a good idea
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  Speaker 2: on the season with a schedule like this?
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  Speaker 4: Well, first of all, the Seahawks lost just three games
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  Speaker 4: last year by a total of nine points. That's how
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  Speaker 4: close they were to 20-0, which is kind of mind-blowing.
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  Speaker 4: And like I mentioned, they haven't lost a ton from that. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator is a fair assessment of a big
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  Speaker 4: question mark. But yeah, they open up the Patriots. I
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  Speaker 4: think we all know how that's going to go. And
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  Speaker 4: at Cardinals, probably know how that's going to go. At Commanders,
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  Speaker 4: that's going to be tough. Then you come home for
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  Speaker 4: the Chargers and Niners. And then at Broncos, then Chiefs Bears.
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  Speaker 4: That's a tough stretch for sure. I haven't looked at the,
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  Speaker 4: as far as money lines or projected, you know, spread
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  Speaker 4: for any of that. But I'd be pretty surprised if
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  Speaker 4: the Seahawks, you know, don't go six and two in
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  Speaker 4: that stretch. maybe 5-3 at absolute worst, and then they
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  Speaker 4: kind of go on a run, but yeah, the schedule's fair.
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  Speaker 4: I do think they got some decent breaks with them
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  Speaker 4: being a division winner, and there's that schedule structure. There's
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  Speaker 4: a couple breaks in there, I think, that are good.
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  Speaker 4: The AFC West is going to be a strong division.
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  Speaker 4: I was listening to your preview on the AFC West,
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  Speaker 4: and it's nice that they get the Chiefs at home.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's a plus for them. At Denver, I
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  Speaker 4: think A lot of Broncos fans probably feel like that
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  Speaker 4: should have been the Super Bowl, and they're maybe out for,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, revenge might not be the right word,
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  Speaker 4: but revenge for Super Bowl XLVIII maybe. But that's going
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  Speaker 4: to be a tough one. So I agree. Schedule is
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  Speaker 4: a big question mark for better, for worse, for teams.
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  Speaker 4: I think the Seahawks did get an okay draw for
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  Speaker 4: being a division winner and Super Bowl champ, though.
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  Speaker 1: That seems to be the trend is that when you
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  Speaker 1: look at the teams that won the division last year,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily the best teams in the division going
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  Speaker 1: into 2026. And that's helped with some of the division
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  Speaker 1: and winning schedules. The Seahawks do rank 23rd in terms
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  Speaker 1: of schedule ease. So they are on the other end
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  Speaker 1: of the difficulty spectrum in terms of, uh, if you're
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  Speaker 1: waiting their schedule on Vegas forecasted wind totals.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: They do have it tough for sure. Everybody in the
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  Speaker 1: AFC West and NFC West have it tough because they
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  Speaker 1: all play each other. So it's all going to, all
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  Speaker 1: of these teams are going to cannibalize each other. It
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  Speaker 1: is hard to get to the window on some overs
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  Speaker 1: with these teams in terms of their winning totals, just
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  Speaker 1: because they all have such tough schedules in front of them.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to best case scenario, best way to
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  Speaker 1: bet the team, we got to talk about the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the ball, the losses on defense, Kobe Bryant, Moffay,
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  Speaker 1: Rick Wolin, Can they overcome that? Also, some news that
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  Speaker 1: we found out today, Leonard Williams has been tied up
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  Speaker 1: to a three-year $ 90 million extension. But what are you
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  Speaker 1: expecting in terms of defensive quality going into this season?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the nice thing about Mike McDonald and teams, the
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  Speaker 4: Sean McVeighs of the world, the Andy Reeds of the world,
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  Speaker 4: you're never going to have probably a down year on
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  Speaker 4: that side of the ball that they specialize in. And
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  Speaker 4: I fully expect Mike McDonald, he was literally hired to
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  Speaker 4: be the the anti-Kyle Shanahan, anti-Sean McVay, the kryptonite. And
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  Speaker 4: while he hasn't figured out Sean McVay, because the Rams
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  Speaker 4: got some serious points and yards in those matchups, but
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  Speaker 4: they did beat him twice down the stretch in a
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  Speaker 4: big moment. I think he's kind of figured out Kyle
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  Speaker 4: Shanahan a little bit. So schematically, that's going to be there.
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  Speaker 4: I just think it is. Talent-wise, yeah, like you said.
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  Speaker 4: And losing one big storyline, people I think nationwide aren't,
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  Speaker 4: quite following that is unfortunate for the Seahawks is losing
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  Speaker 4: Bud Clark. And they covered him in hard knocks, snapped
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  Speaker 4: his ankle, unfortunately, in that preseason game against the Titans.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: He was such an energizer bunny on that defense. And
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: he was going to be basically the Kobe Bryant replacement.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: And it really sucks to see him go down. So
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: I think talent-wise, they're still one of the more talented
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: defenses in the league. Don't tell Madden because they have
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: him at 10th. in the Madden ratings. I'm still not
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: sure about that. I know talk about this. It's been
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: a season, an off season of disrespect. And then Madden
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: is chief among the offenders.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: If you're a, by the way, if you're DVO, a
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: truther out there, the fourth best team in DVO, a
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: history was Seattle Seahawks and their, their secondary. I remember
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: multiple games last year. The one against the buck sticks
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: out the most where the secondary was banged up. So
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily a team that had injury luck. on
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: their side. I think there's actually more upside with this team.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: So I'm gassing up your Seahawks. I'm, I'm, I'm with
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you on the disrespect train. It's, um, uh, everyone's fallen
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: in love with the Rams. Let's not forget what Seattle
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: brings to the table.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: And Ernest Jones, I think is the most underrated off
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: ball linebacker in the NFL. I think he's got a
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: little bit more love with the, the all pro votes
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: last year, but just he's the heartbeat. He lost his
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: father in the middle of last year. And that was
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: kind of an emotional rallying cry for him in the defense.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: And so, um, he's, he is an absolute leader. Him
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: and Leonard Williams are just the alpha dogs in the room.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: And then you got, of course, the uber talent of
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Devin Witherspoon, Nicky Manwari, just stay healthy kid. And we're
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: talking Kyle Hamilton, Derwin James.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Is he playing week one, by the way, do we
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: have word on that yet?
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: That is the golden question. I, uh, if I were
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: to put, you know, if I were to put percentage
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: chance on that, I'd probably say right now it's 50, 50. It's,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: it's close. Um, He's just, I think it was yesterday,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: finally had cleats, didn't practice, has that non-contact jersey and stuff,
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: but he's on the field running through some stuff. We're
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: less than two weeks away now, which is really exciting,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: but for him, had this been a normal Sunday game
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: instead of a Wednesday game, I might be more confident,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: but I think it's kind of 50-50.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: All right, you're a Seahawks guy.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: We've gotten some good camp info out of our team-specific
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: guests this entire preseason. What is your biggest takeaway from
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: following camp for the Seahawks so closely?
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Man, well, I kind of feel like the world has
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: gotten a decent look if you're a hard knocks consumer.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: The overall prevailing thing in camp this year is Mike
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: McDonald is the dude. He's in charge. He's got the culture.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: He toes that line perfectly between tough and demanding, yet
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: caring and kind of a father figure and vulnerable. I've
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: never seen an NFL head coach toe that line so well.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: As far as players.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: You sound like you want to kiss him.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I do. I do. He's a handsome fella.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: He is handsome. He is handsome. I sent a screenshot
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: to one of my buddies the other day who's a
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Seahawks fan. There's a shot of him in the meeting
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: room at Hard Knocks, and he's doing some pose where
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: his arms are enormous. Did he just put the Super
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: Bowl trophy down and just go in the gym and
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: never leave? Because he... I don't know what happened between
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl and now, but he has been in
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: the gym. Anyway.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I need heart eyes coming out of Nick on the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: I love him. And he's just such a likable guy.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: You literally just gave the little mermaid, but daddy, I
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: love him.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I love him.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: But it's true because we see it all the time.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Some head coaches are fake. It's the fake rah-rah stuff
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: or they're way too on the nerdy side and don't
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: connect with players. And, uh, and players see right through
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: that stuff. He is just genuine and the players seem
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: to connect with him. There's some like conversations he's had
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: with Nicky Manwari on the show about his frustrations with his,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: with his, uh, rehab. He handled that so well. And
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I think, like I was saying, I don't know if
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: I mentioned this in the show before the Superbowl, but
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: he brings out this like nice guy, kind of like
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: almost like middle-class fancy. If you follow that vibe to him,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: like just the dad, the Costco dad, uh, But I
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: think behind closed doors, he is a stone cold killer.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I think he's got, he's schematically.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: It's always the quiet, nice guys. I'm telling you that
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the scariest motherfuckers.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Because the shrine they have of all the helmets on
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: a spike of the teams they beat last year, that
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: is like psychotic stuff.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I'm always the most scared of them.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: So I think he's got this nice guy persona. He's
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: really good at connecting with his players, but he also
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: runs a tight ship. and he'll get into his players' faces,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: and I think behind Cole's doors, he is a, yeah,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: that's a great description, Kendra, and so that is obviously,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: I think, the prevailing storyline is Mike McDonald's a dude,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: and he's in charge, but I think it's more, if
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: we're looking at other storylines besides that, the offense needs
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: to get on the same page. There are a few
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: hints of, like, different terminology. The offense is breaking the
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: huddle late, and There's a shot on hard knocks of
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: JSN and his receivers coach kind of going back and
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: forth on some differences like that needs to get ironed out,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: which is why we have a training camp in preseason.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Well, let's see the best case scenario for Ted Bundy
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and his group would be, I mean, going back to
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is pretty easy. So, yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Best case scenario is winning the division.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: This is where the disrespect is coming from.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Kendra, I don't disagree. I do think that they can
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl without winning the darn division.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: I agree. Yeah, hell yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I'm almost wondering which would be more impressive at this point.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I feel like it's probably
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: weirdly very Seattle if they.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Don't win the division and win the Super Bowl.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: That'd be like the team that goes into the playoffs
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: with the chip on their shoulder might actually have a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: mental advantage. I like that idea. All right. Well, their
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: ceiling is sky high. They won the Super Bowl last year,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: so I don't need to spend time on that. Kendra,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: best way to bet them.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I think that this schedule is way more difficult than
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: it seems. I'm going to give them a little bit
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: of a Super Bowl hangover. I got to say the
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: under here. I think whoever wins this division is going
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to be a 10-win team. It's not that I'm disrespecting Seattle.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I just think between them and the AFC West, they're
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: all about to beat the shit out of each other
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: for 18 weeks, and it's going to be bad.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I think whoever wins this division is a 10-10-10. That's it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I just can't get to the 10.5 too far.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: 10.5 juice to the over, so you can lose the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: vig at the sportsbook if you go the way of
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the under 10 and a half. I like them to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: win the division. I'll bet them two to one to
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: win the division. I at least liked the bed. I
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: haven't actually bet it, but, uh, I would, if, if
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you were saying gun to your head, who do you
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: take to win this division? Two to one on Seattle
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: seems pretty wild to me. I just haven't placed it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: It feels overly square. to bet on the super bowl
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: winner in any way. So I haven't bet the Seahawks,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: but I do support them internally. All right, let's move
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to the L a Rams. They're over under sitting at
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: 11 and a half juice to the over with one
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: of the highest wind totals that's out there. Everybody's darling
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: this off season. They're the odds on favorite to win
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the super bowl. And honestly, they might even have shorter
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: odds soon when they add Aaron Donald, which could happen
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: by the time we're done with this preview. If they
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: don't go all the way, Nick, what holds them back?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: What's the thing that stops the Rams from doing the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: thing that everybody assumes they're about to do?
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Well, I, I was, I like to compare, uh, divisions,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: you know, cause it's a family. You get to know
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: each other really well in the division.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Um, and I gave each one of these a persona
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: of like a family member that shows up to a
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Thanksgiving dinner or a family reunion. The Rams are the
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: golden child. The aunts love him and kiss their cheeks.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Grandma thinks they can do no wrong and hands him
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: money all the time. He's successful. He's handsome. And he
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: dresses nice. But you, I'm talking about Seahawks Niners, you
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: know there's something a little sinister under that. You know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: maybe he has an opiate problem. Or maybe he's got
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: three maxed out credit cards. The therapist is working overtime
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: for him, you know. Yes, I get it. I get
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: why they're the Super Bowl favorites. They were really close.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: And a few things break their way against the Seahawks
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: in those two last games. And then just in general,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: they're playing and probably winning the Super Bowl. I get it.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: And then they add, all they did was add Miles
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Garrett and Trent McDuffie and perhaps Aaron Donald. So it's
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: common sense. I'm not offended as a Seahawks person that
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: they are the favorites. I'm not offended by that because
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: I understand.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: People just look at the sheet of paper. Seahawks lost this.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Rams added this. You know, I get it. But I
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: do wonder about the age of the roster. They're one
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: of the older teams in the league. Matthew Stafford is
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: closer to getting his AARP benefits than his draft day.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: And there's a few problematic, like I mentioned, some problematic
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: things under there. The Pukunukua is starting to show some interesting,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: and he's a BYU guy.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I love BYU.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: And he's starting to show some interesting sides to himself
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: and Lark Jackson's in trouble. So they haven't had the
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: cleanest offseason either. But I get why the Super Bowl favorites.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: And I do also wonder about their special teams. Will
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: it be special in the way that my mom described
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: me after I broke the sliding glass door? That kind
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: of special. Because that was really what sunk them last year.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: They had the offense. Their defense was pretty decent. Okay.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Their special teams, that muffed punt against the Seahawks, I
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: think really flipped the script in the NFC Championship game.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: And that is, and I think that's what pushed the
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Seahawks over the edge, was yeah, they had the solid defense,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: the solid offense. They had, the Seahawks special teams was
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: on point last year. And Rams, I think that's still
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: a fairly big question mark. So if the Rams don't
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl, I think it'll be father time
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: saying time's up. to perhaps Stafford and company. And also, yes,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: special teams blunders can just switch games up. And if
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: you don't have that locked in, that can really sink
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: you in the end.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: How much of a difference do you think adding Aaron
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Donald to this team is going to make? I'm kind
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: of in the camp that he doesn't really move the
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: needle for me that much. I think he's just old,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: been away from the game for a bit, rehabbing the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: whole nine. It doesn't move the needle for me personally,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: but do you expect it to move the needle for Vegas?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: And do you expect it to really push this team
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: over the top as much? I swear to God, every
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: single day we're seeing a tweet. That's like Aaron Donald
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: worked out today. Aaron Donald had his Cheerios for breakfast.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Aaron Donald had a whole glass of milk today. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: it's like, okay, we, I get it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I promise.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't need to know when you're changing his nappy. Um,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: let me know when he's in pads.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: It's like the, they have his Apple watch workouts on notification.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: He just took a shit. Like, all right, cool. I
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: don't care. Let me know when he's hitting somebody. Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Uh, Great, great question, Kendra. I don't think it's going
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: to move the needle a ton for me or the national,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: you know, like they're going to, they're going to move
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: from being Superbowl favorites to being the Superbowl favorites. Maybe
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: the odds change it a tick, but as far as
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: on the, on the field, they're going to go from
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: one of the more fierce defensive lines to one of
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: the more fierce defensive lines. Also one thing that's underrated
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: as well, Jared versus a stud and the fact that they,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: traded him in that deal. I don't think people are
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: talking about that enough as a, not, not a net negative.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: The receivers in that division.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a really good point. I did not think
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: about that. I was very much in that. I think
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: they got fleeced in that deal because I love Jared
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: verse and they're going to be able to keep him long-term.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: And maybe if that's who knows Cleveland's another issue, we
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: don't have to talk about that.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Anyways, great point by you. Both sides of this roster
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: are loaded top to bottom. Like they are, this is
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: to me, the best roster in the NFL. if there
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: is a concern and things are to go South, I
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: know you mentioned the special teams are a big thing
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: for you. I don't want to talk about special teams.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Where does it go wrong? Is it Matt Stafford's age?
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Is it, you know, their secondary just does wind up
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: getting torched.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Where does this go wrong? If it goes wrong?
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Age is fact is a factor, but it's kind
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: of hard to say, you know, that's kind of hard
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: to quantify.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Um, the defense is, I think certainly more suspect than
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: the offense. The offense is going to be there. Like
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: I mentioned with Mike McDonald on the defense and Seattle,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: I think same thing is true with Sean McVay on
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: the offense for the Rams. It's just going to be there. Um,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: so defensively, yeah. Um, yeah, you can have them all
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: the miles Garrett's in the world. And, um, Omar, Omar space,
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: I think is, is, is a pretty good player and
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Byron young and Kobe Turner, like that defensive line, uh,
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: former CEO couldn't afford, but yeah, cam kitchens, um, is,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: is it, uh, I think a little hot and cold
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Trent McDuffie. Yeah, I get that, that addition, but he's
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: not exactly the most perfect corner ever produced either. Quentin Lake. Um,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: you can, he can be had too. So yeah, you
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: make a good point. I think secondary is probably still,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: even with the addition of Trent McDuffie, I don't think
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: he like just magically fixes all of the, the issues
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: in the secondary.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: No, I, the, I think anytime you get a team
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: that's as top heavy, uh, In the NFL, it's hard
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to be top heavy and have depth. It's one or
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the other. And the Rams are as top heavy as
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: could be. If they stay healthy and everything goes well
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: on the field, they're going to be the best team
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. It does seem like the depth could
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: be a problem. And rather than addressing that in the draft,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I was just going to ask this question.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: But he's better than I.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Listen, are we? Are we?
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: He's not even the backup yet. He's going to beat
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Stetson Bennett. I know you looked good the first week,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: but this is a preseason MVP, though. If they get
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: dinged up, I don't. I think that their stock will
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: drop precipitously. That's the knock against them. That's the only thing.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: With the $ 10 word, Kravitz.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, you do.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Well, that's on us today.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Um, the fact that Ty Simpson isn't even the backup
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to me is problematic. I want to read off some
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of the names that they passed on when you, so
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: now that we get to know these names a little
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: bit better, if you're not a college football geek, Ruben
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Bain could have had him Casey's Concepcion could have had
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: him Kenyan Sadiq Kendra's favorite player could have had him.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And instead they took what right now is their third
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: string quarterback, uh, Did they screw up in the draft
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: by not going for it even more than it seems
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: like they already are? And could that end up biting them?
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Uh, that was one of the more head scratching and
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: mouth gaping open. Like I had, I had the, I
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: had the draft on my phone. I was driving. So
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I was listening to it. And so I didn't know
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: before the, because sometimes you get the notifications before Goodell.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Actually, you know, doesn't even matter anymore. If you have
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: your Twitter notifications on, it's so true. Everybody, dude, everybody's
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: just freaking rap sheet is tweeting them out five minutes
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: before somebody's even on the clock.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Like, just let me have this.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: It can literally be an email now.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: You got to turn off the notifications on draft day. Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: That's probably smart.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: D & D or something.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: No, I D & D it. when I heard them
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: say Ty Simpson, I bust laughing. Like, cause you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: as a Seahawks, you know, covering the Seahawks, liking the Seahawks,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: you want to know, you want to peer over the
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: hedges and see what they're, I went, you know, just
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: one of those. Cause I'm like, I'm sure, you know,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: it's great when Seahawks fans are celebrating and Rams fans
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: are doing the McVay in the face and the play
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: sheet thing. And he, he was had that, that vein
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: in his neck was very strained as yes, he, we
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: liked this guy and, He, he, we liked him in
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: the interviews that strained neck.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: It was a great interview.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: Um, he he's great at PR. I'll tell them that, um,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: he's done a great PR campaign. That was a disaster
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: and it could, you're right. End up biting them. If,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: if they, if their depth is tested, there are, I
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: think deeper teams than the Rams. They are. Okay.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And I, and I want to be clear. I at
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: least need to bring some sensibility to this discussion because
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: we have all we have done in talking about the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the short shot to win the super bowl is shit
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: on them. We're just trying to present the other side
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: because every other pod.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: The schedule dropped Kravitz.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Every other podcast is just going to glaze them to
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: death until the season starts. So we just wanted to
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: present the other side. And of course, Nick wasn't going
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: to fight us on it because he's a Seahawks guy.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to mention is I'm curious
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: to see how this develops in the season. They are
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the 13 personnel Kings. They sort of started this trend
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of throwing three tight ends on the field. 31% of
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the time last year, which doesn't sound like a lot,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure that's an NFL record. Is this
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: still an advantage for them? Or is this now like
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: every other trend, you know, he did the two shell
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: high safety thing. And then, and then often it's just
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: figured out how to adjust to that, to that defensive style.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Now that this has become such a discussion, if we
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: know it, the coordinators have already been working on this
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: for months. Is this still going to be the advantage
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that it's been for the McVay offense?
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I think it's one of those easy to duplicate, hard
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: to replicate, or whatever that is. Teams are going to
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: try it for sure. I think the Rams do it
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: very well, taking the Seahawks angle again. That's why Nicky
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Manwari is so... He is the skeleton key of facing
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: the 13 personnel. He can take the tight ends out
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: of the game, and he can handle himself in the
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: run game and be out in coverage. Not every team
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: has that. So I think the response for defenses is
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: going to be try to finding that positionless safety linebacker hybrid.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Not every team has that. So I do think the
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Rams will find success there.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Best case scenario for the Rams, much like the Seahawks,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: when the division win the Super Bowl. I don't think
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: we're going to get a lot of argument there, and
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't. I think we have properly presented the case
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: of why not to bet the Rams. Kendra? best way
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: to fade the team that you are not buying. I'm
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: going to assume that the 11 and a half.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I gave it out months ago.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Even money that you can get?
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: I gave it out months ago.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I know that this number is probably just going to
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: get better as time goes on, but I am very
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: much in the camp that whoever wins 10 games is
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: going to win this division.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I'm standing 10 toes down on that.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: And also, like, I'm sorry, Matt Stafford is just old. Like,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: he's got to start to look his age at some point. Like,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: it comes for everybody, man. I love him to death,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: but yeah, him too, man. And Pukunuku, I'm Can't get
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: out of his own damn way. So I just there's
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: too much crap going on here.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Plus 105 on DraftKings for the under 11 and a half.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: That is tempting. That is tempting. I was also looking
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: at Blake Corum touchdowns. I really like him.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: We talked about this in a week prior, and I also.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Agree with you on this.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: So his touchdowns are off the board. But if you
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: really wanted to slingshot this, you can take him for
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: most rushing touchdowns in the NFL at 80 to one.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: So get yourself a nice little, get yourself a nice
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: little payday. If Kyron Williams would have to go down
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: in order for that to come home. Well, let's talk
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: about the San Francisco 49ers and Kendra's favorite subject. The
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: substation nine and a half is the wind total juice
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: to the over or not even to the season yet.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: And it already feels like this team is falling apart.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Health-wise their wide receiver room got so bad. They had
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: to bring Debo Samuel back and the substation. is so
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: ruthless and gobbling up souls. Even their head coach got
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: hurt this off season. It's just madness over there in
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: all seriousness, Nick, you're as serious as I can make this.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Is this team good enough and will they be healthy
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: enough to match up with the NFC West elite?
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Well, to give them a persona in your, your family reunion, um, they're,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: they're the one that's, And people like them. They're talented,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: but they're so dramatic. They are just the drama kids.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: We all have that family member that shows up with
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: the neck brace on. They got the thing on their knee.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: That's actually what I was getting to. They've always got
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: something going on. They are always telling you about their
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: last doctor's visits. Yeah, they got a sling at Thanksgiving
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: dinner and they want you to ask about it. And
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: if you're in line at the drive-thru, there's a ton
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: of people that if you're behind them in the drive-thru
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: lane waiting for your whopper and you kiss the bumper
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: of their car, he already has a neck brace on
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: complaining about whiplash as he gets out. So, yeah, 100%. And, wow,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: what a wild off-season that continued this week. Jed York's arrest.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan's frightening crash and kind of mysterious crash. Brandon
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Ayuk's gestures to all of it. and uh you know
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: some electric conspiracy.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Theories are you are you in on the conspiracy theory
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: before i yap yes or no you don't have to
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: get into it i'm not.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: A huge conspiracy theory guy um i do think there's
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: something to do it's it's weird it's very well.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: The starters on their depth chart are injured right now
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: and that's just the starters.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: I i mean obviously the law explanation is their training
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: staff sucks, but, um, the, I actually, I'm having, I
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: shouldn't say, I don't believe I'm having a lot of
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: fun with this supposed conspiracy theory. It's got its own
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: X account now.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: It's so good.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: It's so good.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, so.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: It might be the best account out there. It is.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: It's hilarious. It could be the king of Twitter.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: It really... Yeah.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: It's definitely the main character right now. We get a
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: new good one every couple years. Like, there was, like,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: the God and the Satan fights for a while. And
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: then there was, like, that one old lady that was, like,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: tweeting really unhinged stuff.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: And now it's, like, the electric substation.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Like, every once in a while, they filter.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Just moving. It's my favorite thing right now. But despite
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the fact that they have so.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: many injuries.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: I don't hate this team. I think that their win
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: total is a little too sharp for me. I know
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: that Robert Saul is gone, but I just, I think
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: that this team is so well coached. We saw it
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: last year, dude, I'm the biggest Mac Jones hater in
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the world, but I'm willing to admit that like he
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: was kind of slinging darts last year. And I wish
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: that he was still the Jags backup as much as
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I freaking hate his ass.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: You can clip this if you want to Gifford.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Um i will say something nice about mac jones one
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: time uh but like i just they're so well coached
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: i think that the depth is like fine enough like
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: it's honestly impressive how much depth they have considering how
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: many names are on their roster i just there's nothing
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: you could convince me of that this team isn't going
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: to cause problems for not just their division but the
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: entirety of their schedule no matter how healthy they.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Are that's very fair very fair um I'm actually kind
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: of feeling very similar. It's, you know, the baseball with
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: the trade deadline. Some guys, some teams like have a
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: guy that's on the injured list all year and then
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: he's about to come back and like, well, our best
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: addition is the guy that's coming back that has been
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: hurt all year. And I kind of feel like that
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: with the Niners where their best additions are a healthy Kittle,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: a healthy McCaffrey, Nick Bosa, Fred Warner, that BYU guy
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: who I've, as a Seahawks fan, I don't want, I
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: want to hate him, but he's just very unhateable guy.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: and brought Dre Greenlaw back. So they made some nice moves,
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: and I promised myself that I would say at least
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: one nice thing about everyone in the division on this show,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: and they're too talented, too well coached, and yes, they're
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: going to have to overcome some extra forces that maybe
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: are working against them. But DeJuan Stribling as well with
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: Mike Evans, I mean, that could be a nasty receiver
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: room as well. He's nice.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: He's really nice.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: And Stribling is kind of turning into a little bit
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: of a rookie fantasy darling. So I don't know. I
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: also don't know if there's a betting market for how
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: often the substation is going to be referred to in broadcasts.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: There's probably like one of the freaking trader markets.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: I'm sure. Traffic jam or something.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that there is. Okay. I don't hate that.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I just.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: What do you think about a head coach? Like, do
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: you think that Shanahan?
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I have so many questions right now. Is there a
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: window closed? I think that that's my first thing. Like
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: there's just a piggyback off of the injuries before I
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: look at an angle at this somewhere else.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Is there a window closed?
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I don't want to write them off before the season
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: even starts, but like, how do you recover from, from going,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: starting your season, which is the healthiest you're supposed to be.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: How do you get into a rhythm? Like their window
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: has to be closed, right? Like they're going to cause
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: problems for people. But like, unfortunately, I think this cast
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: of characters that we know, it just, there's no way.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's, it's fairly closed. It might be open enough
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: just barely for a fly to fly into the crack
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: at the bottom. But yeah, it's talk about father time
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: and father time can be accelerated with injuries. And, you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey is, How, how bare are those tires? You know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: that he's, he's been battered and bruised and still want
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: one of the better, better players. I'm not touching him
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: in fantasy. I'll tell you that much.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not touching any of them except for maybe Purdy.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Purdy low, low level. If you get Kittle as
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: like a, as your back end tight end kind of option,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: but yeah, it's, I think their window's closed. Certainly with the,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: the injuries they fight, fight through, And Shanahan's a great coach,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: and I think he's going to get the most out
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: of what he can with guys that are healthy. But
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: especially with the rapid ascent of the Seahawks, who have
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: now leapfrogged them emphatically with beating him twice in the
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: last two games. Oh, they were injured. Everyone's banged up
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: at that time. And then the Rams. I think both
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: those teams have really just built above them in talent
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: and depth. And Kyle Shanahan is going to get his.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I actually do like the over, but just 10 and 7.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I know that Kravitz is
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: going to ask me what the best way to bet
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: this division is. And I'm going to say week to
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: week for them to cover some spreads or upset some people.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I just need to get a vibe check of the
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: team before I do that.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: But I want to.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Have an open discussion about another potential option that I
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: have recently kind of talked myself into.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: What does Kyle Shanahan need to do to win coach
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: of the year?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Because if this roster truly is this hurt and, And
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: they go out there and they do something similar to
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: last year. I don't foresee a situation where there are
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: as a situation like the Patriots or as many injuries
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: as there were last year for big quarterbacks. What does
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: he need to do to kind of, if this is
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: what their roster is going to be, is that a
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: decent look?
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I feel like he should have been on the
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: short list last year. Cause you know, 12 and five
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: with that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I, I, if you ask me.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: If, if, what, you know, he won coach of the
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: year in 2026. What happened? He doesn't even have to
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: win the division. I don't think, but certainly.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: I don't either. That's why I think if like their
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: roster is going to be. Yeah.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: If he wins the division, I'd say probably a 10,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: 11 wins. Maybe I guess they don't really do playoff
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: success as far as the coach of the year, but yeah,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: 10 to 11 wins right in the division race to
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: the very end. I don't, there's a scenario. I mean,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to win coach of the
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: year if they go like nine and eights with, you know,
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: all the, everyone hurts. I don't think that's like optics wise.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: That probably won't.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Happen, but for me, it's him or the floor. So,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to talk, Mike LaFleur, we're going
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: to talk about that in a second.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: And LaFleur and J love, right?
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I think that that's pretty much, those are the options
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: If you're looking for a future.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: 35 to one for Kyle Shanahan to win coach of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the year. And I do think it would take him
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: winning the division and asking the 49ers to do that.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: This year is asking a lot. I do want to
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: flip to the other side. There's so much focus on
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Purdy CMC. Is he going to stay healthy? The injuries
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: to wide receiver. And yes, we've all fallen in love
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: with Dijon shriveling defensively. Yes. You lose Robert Sala. They
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: bring in a former head coach in Raheem Morris. And
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I think that that might be, Maybe not a net positive.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: It's not a net negative. I think they can at
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: least withstand a defensive quality with him, but they're going
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to get a lot healthier. Fred Warner's back on the field.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Nick Bosa's back on the field. This defense was terrible
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: last year, but it's not because they have a bad defense.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: It's because all their best players weren't on the field.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I think defensively they can be a lot better. Do
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: you see that, Nick, that this is a team with
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: some serious defensive upside that we saw none of last year? 100%.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like you mentioned with Morris, just the schematics, like
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: everything else the same, just a different voice, different mind
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: in the room on defense, I think will be huge.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: And yeah, Dre Greenlaw and Fred Warner coming back. I
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: don't see them being 24th in yards per play allowed again,
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: which is what they were last year. And I don't
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: see them allowing as many explosive plays if they can
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: stay healthy. Yeah. They got some solid guys in the secondary.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: Demodore Lenore is just an absolute thorn in the side
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: of certainly Seahawks fans. They really do not like Lenore
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: just because he feels like he matches up really well
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: with Jackson Smith and Jigba, which the data is a
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: little suspect on that, but that's for another day. He
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: is very talented and very good. And Upton Stout is
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: a good slot corner. So I do think that there's
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: going to be a natural, even if they have normal
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: bad injury luck, during the season, I do think there'll
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: be a natural rising of the tide for the defense.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Best case scenario for the 49ers, is it just stay
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: healthy and hope for the best?
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Stay healthy, 9-10 wins, wild card. One of those teams,
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: if they're healthy-ish and they're on the road in the
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: wild card, very similar to last year against the Eagles,
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: the home team will be a little nervous.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Andrew, if you had to bet that either one of
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: these two divisions is sending three teams to the playoffs
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and FC North and FC West. Who do you think
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: is more likely to do it?
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, West for sure. West for sure. Not even close.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got two autos and then it's just
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: about San Francisco showing up.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I think we're also going to get some surprises. I'm also,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not as high on the North as everybody else.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I actually think I I'm not as high on the
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: North as everybody else. I think it's Detroit and then everybody.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I do love me some North. So I'm in that group.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Don't listen to me.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: I'm enamored to watch the NFC South.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: It's true could you imagine all we need to do
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: i feel i feel like the 49ers should enter the
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: transfer portal or something if they were in either of
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: the souths we would love them but there's a realignment
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: to us yeah they need realignment to hit.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Fast They need to get away from the magnetic fields.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I try not to be a conspiracy theorist. I'm not
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: even sure this is a conspiracy anymore. I think the,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: it's hard to ignore.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: I'll say that much.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Listen, when Pablo Tori is doing like sit down interviews
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: on your shit, you know, it's, did you listen to that?
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I did. I listened to the entire thing. I did.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I think there was anything conclusive from that, that you
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: can share with us in the audience.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Not as conclusive as I would like, but the fact
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: that I'm still on this train, I think says enough.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I think it's a mix between the substation and Dr.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Chow's theory, which is probably correct that like, they're just,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: they have such elite athletes on that team that getting bigger, faster,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: stronger on the same human frame is just, and.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: They're just that team. They're crazy athletes.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Uh, best way to bet them. What you got Kendra?
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: I think I'm going to say coach of the year.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I think that this team is just they could really
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: go on a weird run.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: And that's my fear with them.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I can't I can't love them with the injuries and
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: really get on anything. It's going to be a vibe
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: check in season for them to upset some people for me.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Well, they were they were vibing last last year, 11
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and 6 ATS. That's what I mean.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: That's why they scare me.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Like they really have the ability to go on a
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: hot streak and go on a run, but like their
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: schedule is just, it's, there's not, I don't love the
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: pockets of it.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good coaching, good quarterback play, good organization outside of ownership.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Our fans are assholes.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I think we can definitely bet them throughout the year.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I'm in the awards market as well. Give me Dijon
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Stribling offensive rookie of the year, 13 to one, put
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: it in the app.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Like it.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. We can make this quick fam rebuilding year
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: for them.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: They are over.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: I love this roster.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Well, then you're going to love the
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: over four and a half juice to the under. I
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: don't think anyone is delusional enough to think that a
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: new coach, Mike LaFleur, the offense, you know, has a
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: chance to be good, but nobody's delusional enough to, pick
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: them to actually do anything, right? Kendra, you're not actually like,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I get if you like they're over, but you're not,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: are you betting them to actually accomplish things this year?
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: I don't even, I gotta be honest.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I don't even like they're over, but once again, this
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: is one of my favorite teams to get a vibe
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: check of week to week. They're going to be teams
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: that they shouldn't at times. There's, I would, I literally
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: love this roster so much, but their schedule, this is
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: a schedule team for me.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Like I am married to hating teams. Their schedule, they.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Have the toughest schedule in the NFL.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, they truly do not get
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: a break.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I want to love them so much because I think
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: that they're doing the right things. They're investing in the
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: right places and, you know, getting vets in the right places.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I really think that this team is moving in the
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: right direction. It's just their schedule for me, but I
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: do think that they're going to win some games.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: I just don't know if it's going to be enough.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: I think even if they win.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Five games this season, if I'm a Cardinals fan and
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I know ball, I feel good about that. What I
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: do want to point to, just because I know we
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: want to be quick with this because nobody cares but me,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I am in the Carson Beck Offensive Rookie of the
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Year market because I think we're going to see a
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: similar situation to what we saw with Tyler Shuck last
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: year where he didn't start the season, came out, was
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: a gunslinger.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Pay attention to Carson Beck, dude. He's played a lot
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: of football.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I know that he is inconsistent, and he looks like
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: a complete moron sometimes when he's looking downfield, can't read
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: the defense, and throws the ugliest pick you've ever seen
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: in a horrible moment. But he's an old man as
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: far as being a rookie. He's played a lot of
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: football on a lot of good teams. He knows how
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: to play high-level championship football and be under pressure.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, watch this kid.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Wow. Hender came out swinging on the Cardinals just now.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: fair enough.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Great dude.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Like Johnson, Trey McBride, Marvin Harrison's going to have a
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: comeback season. Jeremiah love is going to be sick as hell.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Their defense. I get dude.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Shout out Buddha Baker. I wish the Jags would have
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: traded for him a couple of years ago when he
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: was available. Do we wing guard like huge vibes guy?
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Like do I think he's the most talented guy in
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: the world, but massive locker room guy.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Watch them.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: 100-1 to win the division. I would have to have
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: our stats hound, Evan Abrams, check if that has ever
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: existed before. It feels like the longest odds I've ever seen.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Is there anything, Nick?
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: The year after, they will be my P words for
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: the 2027 season. I'm telling you, they will be my
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Panthers next year.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to week one bets. I do like
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: them week one against the spread. But Nick, third team,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: 100-1 or higher, according to our stats. hound, Evan Abrams. Nick,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: is there anything about this team that intrigues you?
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: Well, to give them a persona from the Thanksgiving dinner,
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: they're the cousin that no one really knows super well.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: They show up and you get there, oh yeah, the
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: Cardinals are here. I forgot about him. Nobody knows how
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: he got there, who gave him a ride. Now he's
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden eating a potato salad before everybody else.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Maybe he has a few problematic Facebook posts, but also
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: he's got a nice smile if he would clean up
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: And you learn randomly he's got a master's degree in, like,
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: electroengineering or something, and he just doesn't have his life together.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: But like Kendra was mentioning, I also do like the
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: core talent. Can you find me a better wide receiver one,
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: RB one, tight end one combination than those three? I mean,
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: that's pretty– if there's a list, they're very high on
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: that list.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: It's a prove-it situation, but I agree.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: If they prove it– My brother, if they get a quarterback,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: if Carson Beck can be a dude, like, watch out.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Don't need to stop drinking.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: And first of all, yeah, the Jacoby Brissett holdout was hilarious.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: Maybe the most hilarious holdout of all time.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Ridiculous. I kind of love him.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: He's got some FU energy, which, you know, it's refreshing
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: in a little bit of a way. But really the
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: biggest question is, Is the introductory press conference for Arch
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: Manning going to be him holding a red jersey or
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: a black jersey?
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Nah, he's going to Miami. Malik Willis is going to suck.
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: That's probably fair. And I do agree with you, Kendra,
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: as well. You mentioned on the AFC West show that
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: Brock Bowers is tied in one in the NFL. And
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: Trey McBride is a very close second. I know there's
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: some avenues where you could shoehorn him into number one. Yeah,
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: I think... This is what I feel like with the Cardinals.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: They have the skill position talent of a contender. That's
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: like buying the smaller clothes before I lose the weight.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: The trenches and the defense. The trenches and the defense
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: need to be solid. If you put those skill position
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: players on a team that has their defense and trenches
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: figured out, that's a Super Bowl team. That's like a
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl skill level. They bought the sexy new clothes
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: without losing the weight first with some of the skill
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: guys they got.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Just shut it down right now. That was the line
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: of the podcast.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was good.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: That was good.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: That was a bar.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: It's all about manifestation. You will it, you will it
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: into existence. All right.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: We're not manifesting right now.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: It's eclipse season boys, not to talk about, you know,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Mercury being in reverse cowgirl or anything, but we're not
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: doing that right now.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Best case scenario is they don't have the worst record
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: in the NFL, 26% probability to have the worst record
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: in the national football league. But this team does have
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: some talent to Kendra's point. So I don't think that
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: they will. And, uh, yeah, I don't know. I can't
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: go any further than that. They cover some spreads. That'll
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: be best case scenario.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I think, no, I think best case scenario.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: He's right. They have, you know, RB one wide receiver,
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: one tight end one.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: That's, that's the best case scenario for them is that
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: their pieces gel.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Best way to bet them. I do like them week
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: one plus 10 and a half against the chargers.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Same pod bet.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Let's get it. All right. It is time to plant
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the flag on the NFC West. Plant the flag, get
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: it set up.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to plant my flag here, okay?
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: You're really planting your flag on that thing. The best
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: look in the division, top tier, top of the line. Nick,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: you are our guest. We will start with you. What
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: do you like the best in this division?
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: Well, as far as the over-unders, I first want to
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: also sprinkle in the Jadarian Price Offensive Rookie of the Year,
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: especially with if the Cardinals crashed the Ferrari with Jeremiah Love.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: But the Seahawks, like I said, are the most disrespected
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl champion I've ever seen. And I know how
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: that looks coming from a guy with an Emerald City
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: football shirt and the Super Bowl hat. I totally get that.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: And I'm sure I'll get Rams fans angry at me
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: for some of the digs I've made. But people seem
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: to remember Sam Darnold is 31-6 in his last two years. And, um,
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: my persona for them, by the way, with the Seahawks,
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: I didn't get to that, um, was they are the,
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: the younger or the middle child who just got a
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: promotion and needs everyone to know about it. You know, there's,
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: they bought a, something irresponsible to show it off a
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: new boat. They got a hot new girl and kind
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: of dumped his longtime girlfriend or something like that. Middle child.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Energy is hilarious.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and a little overcompensation, a little inferiority complex with
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: dealing with the Bay Area and LA media markets. That's
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: kind of the Seahawks vibe there. So a little overcompensation,
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: a little inferiority. Hey, look what I just did kind
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: of thing. I get it. That's going to be them. Um, however,
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: and Kendra, your, your takes on how the divisions are
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: going to cannibalize each other. That's a very fair point. Um,
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: but I do think the Rams are the favorite to
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: win the division for a reason. And I think they do,
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: if I had to pick a division winners, probably the Rams,
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: but the Seahawks 10 and a half, I'm going to
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: take the over. That's my, I'm planting my flag on that. Um,
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: 10 and a half. And I'm not saying they're going
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: to go, you know, 14 and three again, 11 and six.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: can the Seahawks go 11 and six fair point with
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: the schedule? Um, I just think the defense is going
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: to keep them in every single ball game. Is there
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: going to be an adjustment period with their offense? Maybe,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: but their defense is going to keep them in every
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: single game. And that's one of those teams constructed like that,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: where a few things need to go your way and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: you can win a ball game with a defense like that.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: So 10 and a half, I'm going to take, I'm
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: going to my plant. The flag is the Seahawks get
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: over that, but yeah, not, I'm not going crazy. We're
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: going 11 and six, maybe 12 and five, but, um,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: The Seahawks continue to be slept on, disrespected. They got
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: the trophy. Will it be a hangover? Maybe a touch,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: but this is still a really talented football team that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: really didn't lose a whole lot.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Kendra, what about you?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: I'm staying all 10 toes down on the under on
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: the Rams, ladies and germs. I just can't get there.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Father time comes for everybody. Aaron Donald doesn't move the
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: needle for me.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I will look at the, um, the substation for my nom, nom, nom.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: I am going to look the way of the MVP market.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I like Brock Purdy to an NFL MVP. I think
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: when you look at his efficiency over the last couple
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: of years, he's been elite best quarterback in the NFL
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: in terms of pressure to sacrate wet means that when
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: he needs to complete a pass and he's got a face,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: a guy in his face, he's able to do that
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: EPA per play. on third downs, number one in the NFL.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: And when CMC inevitably gets hurt, he will get all
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: of the credit for their offensive success. Give me Brock Purdy,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: NFL MVP. Plant the flag.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: Can I tell you something before we go?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: I have to give you some flowers for a second.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: You have had some crazy futures through these previews and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: you have stood on them you are either going to
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: have the best fu season ever or you are going
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: to come crashing down in flames and i love you
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: for it thank.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: You um i love you too i have about 20
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: units right now on nfl futures and so uh the
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: season we'll have some fun weeks 1 through 18 and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: into the playoffs the year will be made on all
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: of the discussions that we have already had on this podcast.
• 1:02:11
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• 1:02:15
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• 1:02:19
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• 1:02:22
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• 1:02:26
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• 1:02:29
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• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: my friend.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: It was an absolute pleasure. Once again, let's, let's not
• 1:02:36
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• 1:02:36
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• 1:02:40
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