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The Bachelor Blues · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: We just started out the morning with Ashley telling me
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  Speaker 2: she's got stuff to say It's almost Famous podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Ben, I'm Ashley. My stuff to say is about
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  Speaker 3: the episode. So do you want to go there or
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  Speaker 3: do you want to have a little host chat first.
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  Speaker 4: I want to dive right in, Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think right now in our lives, it
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  Speaker 2: feels like Bachelor Nation has consumed my week. I told
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  Speaker 2: you before we got on, I've just been feeling blue
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  Speaker 2: this week. I don't really know why. There's not like
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  Speaker 2: a good reason. There's nothing pointed too. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: I'm laying in my bed paralyzed with you know, anxiety
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 4: I've had those seasons. But I'm just blue, and a.
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  Speaker 2: Little bit of it is Ashley that I feel like
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  Speaker 2: last week, you know, we did two episodes. Obviously, we
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  Speaker 2: did the headline episode and we did the break that episode.
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  Speaker 4: I just feel like there was a lot of headlines
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  Speaker 4: that of.
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  Speaker 2: People I knew that that like had so some sort
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  Speaker 2: of emotional effect on me. Sometimes we were at a headline,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know these people, We're just breaking down a story.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about it, we're assuming things. Last week felt
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  Speaker 2: like there were headlines that hit very close to home,
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  Speaker 2: and we're getting into some of those headlines and follow
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  Speaker 2: ups on those headlines this week or later on. But
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  Speaker 2: it just I think it just affected me because it's
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  Speaker 2: not fun to hear they weren't exactly good head like,
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  Speaker 2: they weren't like uplifting, heam up. You have to be
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  Speaker 2: specific y no no no no, no no no. They have
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  Speaker 2: to go back and listen to our podcast that was
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  Speaker 2: posted on our thread, and then later on here in
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  Speaker 2: the podcast when we break down headlines. We're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: some follow ups on some of these headlines that we
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  Speaker 2: talked about. But if you haven't listened yet, I'd just
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  Speaker 2: say pause, here, go back. Click on the episode that
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  Speaker 2: was posted right before this one. It breaks down some
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  Speaker 2: big headlines in Bacheloration.
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  Speaker 4: Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: Let's jump into breaking down this episode. It's episode seven
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  Speaker 2: of Charity season of The Bachelorette. She has three and
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  Speaker 2: a halfman. Uh, well, there's like one.
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  Speaker 3: Is it's almost like it almost like eagles out.
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  Speaker 2: To three though it does almost that, yeah, because like yeah, yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 2: and then we point so we have three people three
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  Speaker 2: three men in Fiji with Charity uh actually going into
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  Speaker 2: this episode, if you can go back before you watched it,
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  Speaker 2: I think you and I both assumed that Dotton and
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  Speaker 2: Joey were the favorites. I said, Xavier.
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  Speaker 3: Saying Xavier the entire season. You've been saying he's your
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  Speaker 3: pickth the entire season, and I have every week been like, Ben,
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  Speaker 3: are you just trying to be different here?
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  Speaker 4: You coirky? No, so okay.
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  Speaker 2: So, if if we were to say it, I had Xavier,
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  Speaker 2: Dotton Joey, you had Dotten Joey Xavier kind of as
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  Speaker 2: your leads. I really expected this week to have some turns.
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  Speaker 4: Because sure did it did.
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  Speaker 2: Because I felt like this season, even though I've enjoyed it,
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  Speaker 2: I've liked watching it, I've had a good time with
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  Speaker 2: it, it hasn't had those dramatic, like memorable scenes or those
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  Speaker 2: memorable twists and turns like you know some previous seasons.
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  Speaker 2: I knew the show was going to try to find
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  Speaker 2: some way to bring some type of spice because we're
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  Speaker 2: getting late in the season. And yes, the mentel All
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  Speaker 2: usually has some type of spice to it, but it's
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  Speaker 2: not really a watched episode by the the core fan
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  Speaker 2: base doesn't usually get great ratings. They found a way
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  Speaker 2: to bring in some spice this week, didn't they?
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  Speaker 3: They did they They did a good job. And that's
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  Speaker 3: the twist. I'm assuming that Charity had told us. Remember
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  Speaker 3: how Charity was like, there'll be a moment, and you'll
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  Speaker 3: know it'll be you'll know what it is. I think
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  Speaker 3: is the Xavier moment, not so much the Aeron moment.
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  Speaker 3: We actually have no idea of what's coming with the
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  Speaker 3: Aeron situation. She's kind of pressed pause on him. But
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  Speaker 3: my assumption is that she's not gonna, like, what's she
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  Speaker 3: gonna do? Be like, can you hang around? I guess
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of what she's doing. She's like, can you
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  Speaker 3: hang around for a little while while I make a decision.
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  Speaker 3: But it's like, it's not like you're gonna get extra time.
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  Speaker 3: She's gonna like throw him into next week where it's
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be the top two.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean I think it. I think it actually
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  Speaker 2: has a bigger storyline than you think. I would disagree.
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  Speaker 2: I think the moment she's talking about was not this episode.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it's gonna be in the next episode. Oh really,
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  Speaker 2: why I'll tell you why, but let's start from the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So, okay, Charity Charity is in Fiji with Joey Dotton
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  Speaker 2: and Xavier. The first overnight is with Xavier. They have chemistry,
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  Speaker 2: Xavier has I've made it no secret that Xavier has
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  Speaker 2: been at the top of my list all season.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like.
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  Speaker 3: And we weriting people why you think that is?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Okay, it started funny enough. It started during the
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  Speaker 4: dodgeball date on the beach.
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  Speaker 2: He was, you know, there's some people being pretty ridiculous
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  Speaker 2: on that date, and he was kind of calling it out,
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  Speaker 2: not to them, but like in the ITMS, he was
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  Speaker 2: also very competitive. He was also very respectful and attentive
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  Speaker 2: to Charity and kind of how she was feeling, what
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  Speaker 2: her needs were. So after that date, I said, there's
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  Speaker 2: something more to this guy. And then I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I was more convinced when Xavier had a very quiet storyline.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't even get involved in the drama. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: he kind of sat on the side of the drama.
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  Speaker 2: He was kind of never shown. And I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that's a typical thing for somebody who makes it really far.
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  Speaker 4: Typically the person that ends.
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  Speaker 3: Up with the lead at the end, no, because you
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  Speaker 3: can be saying the same thing. But Dotton, he's been peaceful.
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  Speaker 3: He had two one on ones back to back. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but then Xavier had one on one. I mean yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the storyline which was like just let you know, don't
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  Speaker 3: know if I could propose. He and then like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, you seem like a lot like my ex.
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  Speaker 3: There's been like way more. There's been like actual like
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  Speaker 3: red flags about savior.
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, I will admit I'm wrong. But let's
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  Speaker 2: start at the start of their date. I am excited
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  Speaker 2: about this date. I will say, this is the this
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  Speaker 2: is the week where typically these dates feel very comfortable,
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  Speaker 2: Like when you watch them, they're just like, yes, of
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  Speaker 2: course we're the final three. Of course we're here with
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  Speaker 2: the lead, and the lead is like, of course this
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  Speaker 2: is the guy I'm going to be spending my time with.
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  Speaker 2: This date from the beginning felt uncomfortable. Not because of
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  Speaker 2: the date. It was mostly their chemistry. And I will
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  Speaker 2: say when they were asked to kind of give each
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  Speaker 2: other some nice words, uh, Xavier, it's in my opinion Xavier.
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  Speaker 2: From that moment on, I was like, he has a
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  Speaker 2: lot of catching up to do. I actually at that
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  Speaker 2: point said Charity, you need to send this guy home.
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  Speaker 2: He's not ready. He didn't share like I think. He
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  Speaker 2: said the line of you like a beautiful flower that
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to crush and.
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  Speaker 3: Reminded me of that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like why would you want to crush me?
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  Speaker 4: In general? Like why would you want to crush any flower?
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  Speaker 3: Basically he was saying, like I can see myself hurting
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  Speaker 3: this person.
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  Speaker 2: He's just admitting that, and so I had my guard up.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like at that point in my mind, actually
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  Speaker 2: I said, Ashley was right, I've liked.
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  Speaker 3: Xavior, Like that's the thing, Like I've always liked him
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  Speaker 3: and I wanted him to get far. But now that
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  Speaker 3: it's down to these three, I'm like, eliminate this dude.
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  Speaker 3: I want to know how long there. Well, well, let's
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  Speaker 3: talk about like little marriage moment. That also felt weird, right,
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  Speaker 3: So they did like this ceremony. It was like a
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  Speaker 3: Fiji tradition. It is weird for them to ever mock
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  Speaker 3: a ceremony, wedding ceremony. Yeah, this was particularly weird because
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  Speaker 3: it just like you just kept thinking, She's probably thinking
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  Speaker 3: I shouldn't be mocking this with him I should. If
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna mock this, we'll do it with the other two.
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  Speaker 4: Whoo or disagree, Ashley.
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  Speaker 3: I thought her mind was like, i'm'd be down to
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  Speaker 3: do this with Donton.
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  Speaker 2: I've okay, So this is a good point for us
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  Speaker 2: to skip into. Then their evening conversation where things kind
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  Speaker 2: of blow up. You know, he admits that in the
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  Speaker 2: past he has been unfaithful.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: That is obviously something that Charity has been worried about
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  Speaker 2: and has something that she has experienced in her life,
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  Speaker 2: and so it is something more sensitive to her. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like he explained it, and that's that takes a
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  Speaker 2: big person, right. You don't need to do that in
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  Speaker 2: national television. He didn't need to do that till Charity this.
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  Speaker 2: It meant I think a lot to her.
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  Speaker 4: That he did.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like his follow up to kind of
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  Speaker 2: telling her was off and felt very distant, and I
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  Speaker 2: would have been very frustrated if I was here.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the point that you're.
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  Speaker 3: Saying, showed no emotion in his face. Showed no emotion
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  Speaker 3: kind of freaked me out.
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  Speaker 2: And here's to go back to what you were saying
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  Speaker 2: where she was in her mind thinking I should be
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  Speaker 2: doing this with other two. I felt like she fought
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  Speaker 2: very hard to keep him around and gave him many
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  Speaker 2: opportunities to kind of like smooth this thing over, and
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  Speaker 2: he continued to say things I was like, whoa, Like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that makes it a little worse. That's not any better.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like she wanted Xavier around. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: she wanted him in her final two. I do agree
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 3: She definitely tried, and it seemed as if, like with
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  Speaker 3: almost every comment, he was trying to get eliminated. I
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  Speaker 3: think that he kind of wanted to go home. A
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  Speaker 3: part of him certainly did.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we don't know, right, we can't can't say, but
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  Speaker 2: I would say, after watching this episode, I would agree
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 4: I think he sat there. I think he was scared.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the line that he.
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  Speaker 2: Said, well, let's let's go through those lines. Okay, say
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  Speaker 2: something like you have them written down. I know that
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  Speaker 2: you love to take notes, so say some of some
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  Speaker 2: of them to us and unlet's react.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. There was the one time where he was like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna try my hardest not to remember, and her
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  Speaker 3: eyes like blew up. I'm going to try my hardest
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  Speaker 3: not to cheat on you, basically is what he said.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, holy shit, dude, I can't believe
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  Speaker 3: he just said that out loud. And then she kind
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  Speaker 3: of like recovered from that.
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  Speaker 2: She did because because okay, let's pause here, because you
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  Speaker 2: and I are both married, many of the listeners are married.
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  Speaker 2: We got married because we are deeply in love with
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  Speaker 2: our spouses. However, I, I mean, I've been open about it,
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  Speaker 2: like when you're engaged and you're leading up to that marriage,
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  Speaker 2: like there are those times where you're like, holy crack cow,
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  Speaker 2: I'm about to commit to one person for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of my life. Now, for me, it was very easy,
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  Speaker 2: like to give my mind back in a healthy place
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, but I get to be committed to Jessica, like.
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  Speaker 2: I love her, you know, but you're it is it
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  Speaker 2: is a scary it's fair fair to be scared of
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  Speaker 2: that idea because it is one commitment that you're making
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  Speaker 2: either for the first time or second time, some fourth
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  Speaker 2: or fifth, but it's a commitment that you're making with
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  Speaker 2: the mindset that this is something eternal, that this is
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  Speaker 2: your partner.
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  Speaker 4: That is a big commitment.
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  Speaker 2: You're not used to that as a human so I
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  Speaker 2: give him credit for saying, sure, I'm going to try
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  Speaker 2: my hardest, because also, marriage is a commitment every day
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  Speaker 2: you wake up where you say, I'm going to try
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  Speaker 2: to be the best I can for my partner. And
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  Speaker 2: if I'm not going to be the best I can,
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  Speaker 2: you know we need to talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. He definitely admitted clear that, So I get a
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  Speaker 3: choice to be to be loyal. Yeah, and it just
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  Speaker 3: came off from try as well as he possible. Ken, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so that was shocking and alarming. She kind of recovers
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  Speaker 3: from that, only to have him say and I had
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  Speaker 3: to rewind this part because I wasn't quite sure and
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  Speaker 3: I'm still not quite sure. I was like, I can't
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  Speaker 3: wait to ask Ben this, he says. I. My heart
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  Speaker 3: is fully knowing that this is that this is right,
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  Speaker 3: but my head has doubts. Okay, was that about getting
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  Speaker 3: engaged at the end of this or was that about
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  Speaker 3: just like her in general, like her being the person
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  Speaker 3: for him.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it has anything to do with charity.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think any of this had to do anything
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  Speaker 2: with charity. I think zavior marriage in general, marriage in general.
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  Speaker 2: I think this dude, for whatever reason, and we didn't
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  Speaker 2: get to go into it as much as uh probably
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  Speaker 2: even could have. Like this is the moment where it
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  Speaker 2: would be awesome if the show called in like a
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  Speaker 2: psychologist and said, Okay, let's sit down, Xavier, let's talk.
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  Speaker 2: Why does marriage scare you so much?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 4: What is it about?
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  Speaker 3: It? Is it? Especially with his parents who've been married
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  Speaker 3: for thirty plus years.
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  Speaker 4: I also think that marriage.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, for a lot of people have has this
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  Speaker 2: kind of connotation that your freedom and he kind of
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  Speaker 2: spoke to it is being ripped away, and in some
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  Speaker 2: levels your freedom is changing. But it's not like marriage
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  Speaker 2: means that all of a sudden, like you can't do
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  Speaker 2: anything ever again, Like you can't hang out with your buddies,
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  Speaker 2: you can't have fun like lifex That's like that's the
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  Speaker 2: opposite of my experience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my social life I feel like hasn't changed at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, And so I do think that kid does that
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  Speaker 2: it's not even it's not even your spouse's problems, it's
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  Speaker 2: the kids. I don't know if he's been modeled something
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  Speaker 2: differently in his life, and he might have been, but
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  Speaker 2: it does feel like marriage is the thing that he's
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  Speaker 2: most concerned.
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  Speaker 3: About m Yeah, she's picked up on this and she's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's not ready and I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: be with somebody who's not ready, and she walks him out,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm just yeah, I am like, okay, great, let's
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  Speaker 3: let's let's be serious. Now. Do you have anything else
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  Speaker 3: to say about that? I mean, he doesn't even seem
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  Speaker 3: that he's not really that sad.
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  Speaker 4: He's not that sad.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's frustrated, maybe with himself. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: probably pretty pumped to go home because I'm guessing he
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  Speaker 2: was laying in bed at night being like, holy crap,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in the final three, like this could mean an
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  Speaker 2: engagement hand. I'm happy that Charity did what she did.
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  Speaker 2: It did scare me for a bit that she was
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  Speaker 2: going to keep him around. And I'm not saying Xavier
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  Speaker 2: is a bad dude. I'm not saying that he did
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  Speaker 2: anything incorrectly.
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  Speaker 3: Here.
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  Speaker 2: He explained to her something that was very hard probably
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  Speaker 2: for him to explain. But as soon as he said it,
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  Speaker 2: like the first thing that came to my mind was
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  Speaker 2: he's just not ready, Like send him home, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you really want to be with somebody as into
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  Speaker 2: this and you have three guys that you're really into
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  Speaker 2: and a couple of them you really see a marriage with,
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  Speaker 2: Like this is the one guy that is giving you out.
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  Speaker 4: She did seem upset.
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  Speaker 2: I did find it interesting, Ashley, how upset she was that,
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  Speaker 2: like they did not get to spend the evening together,
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  Speaker 2: like she she said, this didn't go how I wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: And then the next morning she woke up and said, here,
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  Speaker 2: I am waking up alone. I do feel like she
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  Speaker 2: was hoping to spend more time with Xavier like that
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  Speaker 2: evening like really bad. Like she wasn't like mad at him,
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  Speaker 2: she was just like, I really wish I could have
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  Speaker 2: spent more time with him.
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  Speaker 3: But that reminds me of the other thing that he
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  Speaker 3: said that was like whoa. He goes like, I need
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  Speaker 3: to know more about you, remember, and she was like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why he needs to know more about me.
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  Speaker 3: I've been giving him my true self the entire time,
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  Speaker 3: Like he exactly, I'm sold on her. Oh you think
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  Speaker 3: that that's what he do? Do think He was specifically
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  Speaker 3: implying sexual chemis like chemistry in.
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  Speaker 4: The past, it hasn't it hasn't been.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a converse on the show where people have said,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: you know, the physical connection is so important in a marriage,
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  Speaker 2: right for some that is very important to figure that
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  Speaker 2: out or I don't know. I think for him, what
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  Speaker 2: he probably would have said unfiltered was yeah, like we
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  Speaker 2: need to figure like that's so important to me, Like
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  Speaker 2: we need to figure like I need to see what
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  Speaker 2: that's like, like see if we have that physical connection.
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  Speaker 2: It just if he would have said that given the
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  Speaker 2: been like what yeah, And so I think he was.
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  Speaker 2: I think he was understanding like what place, like where
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: he was sitting and what had already been said, and
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: he was like, hey, here's the deal, Like I have
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: a lot that I would want to figure out before
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: I could commit to somebody, and so it was best
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: he went home. And and that brings us then to
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: kind of a scene in the middle of this where
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Aaron shows up to Fiji. It's
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: not a short flight. They've said it a couple of times.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: It's not a short flight. He shows up to Fiji
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: to try to get Charity back. Uh, Ashley, We've watched
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: the show for a long time. Our listeners have watched
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: the show consistently for a long time. Do you remember
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: any situation where somebody has gotten eliminated and came back
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: and it's worked out well for it has been accepted, yeah,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: or just like even got to stick around, Like I
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: think this dude's back on a fight tomorrow.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Nay.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I feel like this is like the closest somebody's been
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: to being accepted back because he's got Yeah. She was like,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: I'm excited to see you. I'm not mad. Can I
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: have time? That was like shocking to me because I
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: thought that, if anything, this whole week proved to her
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: that Aaron left. Well, perhaps she wishes that she reversed
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Xavier and Aaron, but she knows it's between the other two.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, why would you even entertain this?
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: You said I love you now to the other two men,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: so like, let's not bring another one into the mix.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: You've got your hands full.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is uh yeah. In fact, I
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: think having two this week is actually like very fair.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: It's perfect. It's a long week. It's a long week,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: and I watched it. I watched this episode and I
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: thought back to my time.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: No, of course you did, because it's just always brings
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: up Ben's theme of the two I love you is,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: is that where we're going.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: No, it's not at all now yet at least it's
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: this is an exhausting week. No matter what happens in
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the fantasy suite. You are up late, those dates go forever,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: and then you're up back up very early in the
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: morning to start all over again. It's an exhausting week.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And I hear her wake up, She's like, I woke
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: up alone, and I was kind of like, I wish,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: like maybe I just would have kind of done the
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Zach standard and said, hey, fantasy suite's off the table.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Let's spend a lot of time together, and then we're
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: both gonna get a good night's rest and then we
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: can back up in the morning and talk about it
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: and like figure it out. So like two people is
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: a lot more manageable.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: However, Yeah, she got a good night's sleep that night
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: thanks to Xavier leaving.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Which I think moves into her time with Joey because
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: she's at her best, she's rested. She doesn't have the
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: exhaustion that a lot of leads that you see as
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: this week continues. She actually seems very chipper, has a
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: lot of energy and very excited for the date, which
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: sometimes this week gets exhausting.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: She gets annoyed though, when the ATV wasn't working. She's like,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm on edge. I don't like it when
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: things I'll go to according to plan, which I feel
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: that I'm the worst. When something goes not according to
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: my plans. I get so pissed and emotional. It's very strange.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I need to grow up, but be more flexible.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think as doe to being tired Ashley as
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: much as it is due to her, like probably in
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: her life, wanting things to go right, like I bet,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: and if this was not the TV show, I bet
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: if they had a good night's rest before and they
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: had planned this day and it doesn't go right, But
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: she's just as frustrated, like I just think that's probably
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: charity and her personality of I like things to go well,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and when they don't, I get frustrated.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well they go to a waterfall instead, and I'm
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: sure it's just as much fun making out in a waterfall.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Ben understands how that is goodness in a very similar
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: some similar week anyway, So a great time, great time,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: and now we have this moment that we know are
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: waiting for from Joey where he tells her he's gonna
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: tell her there's something about him that's worrisome, and we
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: find out that it is that he's just like not
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: always the most like optimistic, He's not always in a
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: good mood, and that people have always told him that
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: he has a great energy and he always feels pressured
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: to live up to that, and then when he feels
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: like he's not, then he gets really down on himself.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: So I think what he's saying is that he has
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: like a good number of dark days and he's a
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: moody man. And you know what, I think that's a
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: fair thing to warn somebody about. She's very understanding about it. Yeah,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: But I think there's one of two things. One Joey
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: had no real obstacles and it was like time to
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: sort of bring up something that may not be perfect
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: about their relationship, and he was like, oh, well, I'm
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: moody so I can talk about that. Or on the
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: other end, it's actually a serious issue. It's actually led
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: to a lot of frustrated past girlfriends, and she's taking
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: it more lightly than maybe it should be. What do
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: you think it is? I actually think it's more of
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: the second. I think it's probably more the second. But
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: we've done this together for a long time. Actually, you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I'm a fairly I can get pretty down. Yeah, and and.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: It affects not exactly I thought I thought about you. Yeah,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I can get pretty down it and it does affect
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: how I function in the world and kind of how
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I respond to things, and also how I respond in
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: my romantic relationships and my friendships, et cetera. I will
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: say it was like, I didn't understand this conversation. I
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: don't know why his uncle would be referring to this.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's just because it's how I am that
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I don't see it as this massive negative or something
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: to necessarily bring up. Like the people in my life
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: who know this about me, it would be frustrating to
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: me if they would also be like, yeah, this is
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: like a problem in his life too. It's like, well,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: you're just making it worse, Like, yeah, you're not helping me.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Like like if anything, you know that I'm sensitive, you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I feel things, you know, I experience things. You know
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: that like at times, like my mind goes to a
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: place that others don't because like I want I want
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: to be a tune to my emotions and the emotions
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: of the other people around me. To me, that's a
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: in my life. It's something I'm proud of about myself.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Now it's not always the healthiest thing, but it is
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: something I'm proud of, and it's something that I'm glad
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I experience. And so it would be weird to me,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: like when his uncle says this last week and then
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: this week, this is what Joey thinks he's referring to.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I don't understand it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Still, well, it's not precisely what the uncle was saying.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: He said that, you know, Jogah, so Charity says, like
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: your uncle said, there was another version of you, and
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: he goes, well, honestly, I was just uncomfortable in that moment.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: He was like, I was kind of hosting you. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: wasn't prepared for him to come. I just felt nervous
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: and not like myself. He thinks of that what the
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: uncle was picking up on. Okay, I don't know that
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: he's saying that, Like the uncle thinks that he's like
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: that his moods are something that worries him.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, for anybody that knows anybody who is it
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: like this?
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: The one thing I think could have helped hear them
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that I'm confused by is Joey's attitude kind of changed
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: throughout the the episode last week. And you would think
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: that Charity would see that and his uncle would see
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: that and be Okay, he was just in a weird
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: funk like there was he was. He was overwhelmed or
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: he was a little thrown off and but but he
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: got back on track and he figured it out, and
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: we can see how he cares about Charity and how
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: nervous he was when Charity left the way she did.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: And uh, and we understand who Joey is, and we
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: understand that Joey's going to go through these ups and
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: downs and we just get it, like we get him
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: and we and we le that about him instead it
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: kind of and maybe we didn't get to see that
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: fallow up conversation, but it did feel like it kind
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: of was this overwhelming weight of negativeness. And that's not
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: fair to Joey because he's not doing anything wrong last week,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: he was just overwhelmed.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I also think we're over right now. I think
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: she like kind of understands. I think she trusts I
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: get it, and it's funny. It's like, Jared is very
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: much like you, so I know this, and he always
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: told me. He always used to warm me because I
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: used to be like Jared. So he's so perfect, like
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: literally like what you have, like no flaws, and he
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: was like, flaws, believe me, you'll see it. And now
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: whenever he's like in his dark zone, he's like, I
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: told you, and I'm like, yeah, well you know, of
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: course it doesn't. It's just it's like, yeah, those those
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: parts of somebody you cannot see for quite some time.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: But also, if it's true love, it doesn't deter you
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: at all.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: It doesn't deter you. No.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: But I do think they move on. I think this
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: date was really nice, really beautiful. It makes me think
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: that Joey has a better shot than I originally expected.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about a big thing that Charity seems to
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: have absolutely no problem doing and no shade to her
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: at all. She's happy to say I love you to too,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: man like she has. She's not trying to hold back.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: She's like, I'm excited that I can do this.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know if she I don't know if it's
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: just like now a thing that you're able to like
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: do on the Bachelor, it's expected.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know anymore.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's going to affect the other guy.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: To me still, and I say it every week, Joey
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: feels like boyfriend love and Don Shul's like husband love.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised how she she seemingly is just absolutely torn
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: between the two, but she loves Joey I have.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would hope that you wouldn't have any
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: shade when it comes to this, and I know you
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: don't because you and I have talked about this at
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: length over the last few years when we've done.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: This so many times. This has come up.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Now and I've explained, you know, to you kind of
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: how and why.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: I did it the way I did it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, watching watching this, this is one of
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the first times I would say where I've watched Charity
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: express this this week and I'm like, I believe it,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Like how could anybody criticize her for this? Like she's
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: just living in the moment and for us on television,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: we see it and it's like ten minutes apart, right,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: it's two days apart. There's a lot of emotions that
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: go into it, a lot of things to figure out
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: within it, and I believe that she feels this way.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I believe she's excited to share this because she hasn't
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: yet with them. I also believe that she has some
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: confidence and explain expressing this because.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Dotton is so understanding.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Like if she ends up with dot And at the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: end of this and he watches us back, I'm sure
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be like, this sucks to watch. I don't
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: like watching it. I don't enjoy this, but I get
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: it and it's part of the experience. He brought that
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: up to her this week, like I understand that this
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: week is weird and I understand kind of how it goes,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: but I just want you to know that I support
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: you in it.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Like for a lead, that's a very comforting thing to hear.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I don't change my stance, And if Charity was on
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: this podcast right now, I don't change my stance where
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a wise thing to do. I
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: don't think it's a helpful thing to do. I think
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: it is. Uh, it ultimately causes more pain than good.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And I at the time when I said I was
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: hoping it caused more good than pain. Yeah, I don't
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: change that stance at all. And so, you know, call
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: it a criticism or call it a you know, high
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: like some hindsight. I would love to talk to her
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: at some point we will and say, hey, was this
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like this was worth it to do
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: what you needed to do? But you want to say
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: it because you feel it and it's your truth. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: that's all you're trying to do in this experience is
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: live in some sort of reality and truth. And that's
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the only thing she knows right now is her feelings
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and emotions, and so she needs to get it off
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: her chest. She wants to tell these people, hey, no
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: matter how this ends, I care about you and I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: get that. So I understand now.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I think it's it's very sweet because I think that
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: when she sang it to them, she wants them to
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: know that they were that like the feelings are reciprocated
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: and that like there's a choice on both ends. Okay.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I think if you do save it till like the
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: final row ceremony, you're kind of saying, like, everything here
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: is my choice because you obviously will be here waiting
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: for me. She wants them to know that she loves
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: them back. Yeah, so that they like feel really like
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: they just have a full experience.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I think I will tell you something. I think charity
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: is actually very different than my experience. And here's one reason. Yeah,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: here's the reason why they said to her first, both
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: of them. Oh, and I think the reciprocation is important,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: that like, hey, I get it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm there too.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I lead with it, and I think that's where, you know,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: that's where the big difference is. I think she handled
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: it better. I think hers ism is more fair, it's
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: more understanding. It's coming from a place of I just
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: don't want you to feel alone in this, and I
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: want you to know that you're not alone in this,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: where for me it was more unhealthy because it's something
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I led with and I, as a result, led the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: emotions on. So I do think a little bit different. Uh,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: actually maybe a lot different. And that's why I watch this.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I, you know, I don't feel like this
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: might I don't think it's going to cause as many
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: issues at the end, however, I will say, it is
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: wild to me that this show has gotten to this
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: point where it feels like this is a storyline every
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: season now it's like kind of like boring to even
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: talk about because every season now people are expressing this,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And when I did it, everybody was like, how could he?
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: This is unheard of, this is new, It's not new
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: no more.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: That's so true. Okay. I was very curious watching this
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: because it just did truly feel like she loves both
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: of them. Mm hmm, Like how does that feel to
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: be in love with two people at the same time?
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: And is there like you have to feel like there's
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: a discrepancy, like you have to feel more for one person,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Like right, I don't know.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think you like different things about each
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: and you've had different experience with each and at this
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: point you're trying to compartmentalize each. We'd have to talk
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: to Charity and hear her experience. It would be a
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: great question for her. For me, it was mostly overwhelming.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like a joy It wasn't she seemed to
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: be like very joy filled about she is.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. For me, it was more overwhelming. It was more difficult.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: And I think part of that is too based on
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: what we're talking about with Joey, Like I just got
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: really down on myself and on the experience and the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: pain that something was about to cause. And in a sense,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: it was like should I just get out of this thing?
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: Like is it?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Am I so unhealthy with my emotions? Should I just
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: like should we just all try it, like start over
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and try this some other way. I didn't enjoy it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: It wasn't something that I wanted.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: We see that she won't. He says, why why I
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be saying goodbye to somebody that I love?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I I think there's also this just a
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: personality type. So ILL have different personality types. Like for me,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: and we've talked about this. Most of the people in
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: my life that I've been able to date leading up
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: to then marriage, like I care about that person still,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And Jessica knows this, like I don't wish ill will
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: on them. I care about them. I want to see
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: their life flourish, and like I if something like bad
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: would happen to them, like I would still hurt in
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a way that is like different than maybe you know
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: a distant friend or a stranger, I would I would
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: feel that emotion of it because you do care and
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: so you allow your I think there's just people that
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: are sensitive again sensitive to this stuff and allows themselves
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to feel things differently than others, where I know some
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: of my friends are like I never want to see
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: talk here, speak to my you know ex Ever, again,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: different situations, but you know, I've been lucky enough to
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: date some really incredible people and so yeah, you still
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: care about them. And I think that's part of it too,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: is you just you want what's best and you see
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: this and you're like, I'm gonna end up hurting somebody
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I care about.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's go to the other man that she
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: carries and loves dont Yeah. Uh. They got to go
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: to a sandbar for their alone time during the day,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: and he's his fillinger with compliments. Sure, it's just it's
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: really nice. He just like can't get over the fact
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: that like everything is going so well and that she's
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: so beautiful, and like the families that they love each other.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: It's just it's a great situation. And then they talk
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: about how they've like really not had any hiccups along
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: the way, and it's true they haven't. It's been drama free.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I uh, this is the first time I've watched their
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: dates together and I've said, this is this could go
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: down as one of the best Bachelor love stories ever.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never felt that way you said it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I've never felt it until this week, where I was like, yeah,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: this is good. And their conversation it was easy, it
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: was comfortable, it was engaging, it.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Was honest, it was real.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Like it just felt like, yeah, of course, like I
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: can't not see these two together.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, thank you Ben okay. So I was looking forward
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: to it all episode long. I think that they made
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: it the last one so that we'd be like, oh,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: what's it coming? One's it coming? Because when I watch
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: them together, I smile and I feel like I'm watching
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: a Bachelor love story, Like I haven't seen it so long.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: It's really thrilling.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: It is thrilling. I I'm very excited for them.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be shocked if those two aren't together.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: They have to be.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: They have to be. I don't think there's any any
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: question in my mind now. Now, I do think that
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: the Joey situation. I think Joey's your next Bachelor one.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be really hurt. I think he
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: cares a lot.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I think he is going to see this love story
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: playoff and be like it makes more sense now I understand,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: you know, why she chose him, and I understand how
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: much she cared about me, And I think it's gonna
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: be a kind of a a point where we go, yeah,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: he is the next bachelor, Like I don't. I don't
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: think that's a question either. I don't know who else
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: they would choose. And there's a reason why they haven't
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: announced somebody early like they have in the past, because
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I think they're waiting for him to be eliminated. So
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I do think he's an next bachelor. I think he's
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: gonna be ready and great at it. But yeah, this,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: this this situation with dot.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Is I'm really it's so good. It's so good to watch.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to say at the top of
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: the show, Like I'm very excited about a love story. Yeah,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: and I think I think it just feels it's very
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: fun for me to watch them. I get I look
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: forward to it every week. And yeah, so let's just
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: briefly talk about the rest of their conversation leading up
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: to the fantasy suite. It's kind of like this is
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: a fairy tale. I'm scared because it's so perfect, but
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I should be scared because it's a fairy tale and
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: it's real. It's great and it's scary, but I love it.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: That's basically how it goes.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like, I mean, this date honestly, it's too.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Perfect, which is why it's scary. But we have to
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: just accept it as wonderful.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: It was like one of the most like.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: For me, at least like forgettable dates in a long time,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: because it was just too good, Like there was nothing
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to it, like other than just like, hey, how awesome
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is that we get to spend time together?
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Hey, this is really awesome.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, see yeah, let's you know, go spend an evening
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: together and let's do this for the rest of our lives. Cool, Okay,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: it just it's it's perfect and it is it is beautiful.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I'm excited for the two of them. I'm going to
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: be shocked next week if it's or in two weeks
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: if it's not him. Yeah, that will be one of
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the biggest twists in recent memory for me, you know.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: So and then we'll finish this ups so we already
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: talked about it. Aaron does show up, and the cliffhanger
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: is that she is considering I guess is what we're
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: gonna say it as to keep him around. The previews
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: for next week are the only reason why he confuses me,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: because we see him walking down the beach in a suit,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: which could just be b roll that they got while
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: she was thinking about it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: And actually they never really.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Totally what it has to be, right, I don't know,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I mean it has to be it has to be.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, next week is Mentel all Ashley, which.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, like, honestly, uh yeah, And I got so disappointed
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: when I was, like when I found out that I
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: have to wait two weeks to see more love because
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I'm just so enjoying watching it that I was like, no,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I can't wait two weeks, which is a great feeling,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: but like, oh, mentell all And then I'm looking at
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: these men and I'm like, why is it Bryden and
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Sean the only ones that I remember from this bunch.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Mentel every season is it's a filler episode.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: We've said it like, it's not one that we look
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: forward to. It's not one because at this point we
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: just are excited about the love story, and we're excited
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: about seeing this couple thrive and then having them on
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the podcast to talk to them about how great their
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: life is and how cool this experience was and all
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: those things. The Mentel Law is a filler episode. It's
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: not one of our favorites. It feels like it just
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: causes a platform for people who were either eliminated on
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: week one through two to speak up and have one
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: last memorable moment so they can maybe make it to
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: paradise and uh, but yeah, we gotta we gotta fight
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: through it. We will be breaking it down here on
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the podcast, and then we'll be very excited for the
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: following week where we get to uh to watch Charity's
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: love story come to conclusion.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Ben, can we talk about the preview? Yeah, because it's
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: the chat that she has with her mom that is thrilling.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: She's like, Charity, you know, you have to know what
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: you have to know? And she's like, I don't know,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, Charity.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, that's a weird week. It's a weird
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: week because you, I don't want to say this, you
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: aren't really able to express to your family exactly how
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: you're feeling.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh tell more? Why well, because if you did,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: then they be partial to whoever you're feeling.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly so.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: You really just want a neutral point of view.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: You want a neutral point of view.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: You might know, but you got to kind of just
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: like be like, I just want your honest opinions, Like
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I want your feedback based on how you know me
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: and how you know these people, and I want to
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: hear it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: And so it's a little weird.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Because I have a feeling Charity would really be like, yeah,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I really like this guy, but she can't. She doesn't
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: want to do that, and it's and it's kind of
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I don't it's a part of the not manipulation, but
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: it's a part of the prep where it's like, do
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: you really want them to be just sold out on
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: one person or you want there on his opinion. If
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: you want there on his opinion, you got to leave
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: it pretty open and you go into it believing that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And I also I don't see a problem with it
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: as much as it would just be helpful if you're like, hey,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: you're meeting this guy and he's the one, and like
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: you should just invest in him. The other guy's great
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and you should hang out with him, but like know
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: that he's just a really good time and he's not.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Going to be the one at the end.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: No, I get this, Ben, But what it seems like
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: with her mom is that, like her mom's met both
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: of them, she's using her mom as help, Like I
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: think she I think she wants her mom to be like,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I'm preferential to this person, because what else would it
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: be because they're like behind the scenes. And she's like,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: you have to know, you have to.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Know you do want them to be preferential towards the
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: person that towards Yeah, However, you and I have both
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: watched this show for a long time now, we know
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: that typically the person that stands at the end is
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: not the person that the family rallies rallies around the
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: best peers.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I think it's a peers.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I do you do think that it might be a
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: little bit edited for di Ust to be thrown off? Right?
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Why not?
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I mean if it was so, if it was so
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: convincing and so clear from this week on, then you
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: know that. I mean, I guess I could argue that
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: the ending episode would still be as exciting and thrilling
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: and just beautiful. But this show loves to keep people
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: on their toes, and they love to make it a
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: question until the end, and That's just what the show's
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: always done. It's been a part of their you know
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: format and their bread and butter, and so I just
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I think, based on knowing the show, they're going to
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: keep us questioning until that last moment where we see
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: whoever it is walk out of the limo you know first,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: and we know that that's not the person at the end.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: So I think the show just thinks that people will
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: want to watch the conclusion more if they don't know.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I know, But how they get her to
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: say that?
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Who knows? Ashley? I don't. I mean that the show
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: does wild things.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Well, they do dress up Aaron in a tux sure,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: just for us to think that he's included, which she's
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: definitely not.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: How wild it would be if like the whole conversation
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: with her mom ended with her mom being like Charity,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: it's Aaron, like you.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Know that hilarious soon.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: So not Aaron.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Hey, Ashley, we got big headlines to break down. We
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: do have some follow ups from last week's special headline episode.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Let's jump into him now. It's official.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: We didn't want to make any massive claims. We did
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: have our speculations fairly confident and that's why we chose
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: to speak about it in last week's headline episode that
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: it was going to be coming down soon. But bachelorations
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Caitlin Bristow and Jason Tartick have split. They call off
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: their engagement after four years together. This is according to
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: US Weekly.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: And according to them on their instagrams, as they posted
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: a joint statement yesterday. You guys can go read it,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: but what you take from it is that, like, this
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: definitely seems to be a split that was particularly difficult
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: because they both love each other and respect each other
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: so much, and I think that they still very much
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: enjoy each other, and I think this is just them
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: being like not compatible partners long term for life. But
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: there's absolutely nothing that went wrong specifically, there's no blowout.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I think this will be a really healthy split. I
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: don't think there's gonna be any back and forth in
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: the public. You know, we're not going to be having
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: headlines like we do with Caitlin and Sean five years removed. Yeah,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: And I think that makes it even more difficult a
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: lot of the times, because you can't like look back
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: and be like oh this ah that it's just like, oh, well,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: we just weren't meant for each other.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there was obviously something right. You don't
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: just come to this conclusion because nothing happens.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: I think it's general incompatibility. But like this is also
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: me just spitballing.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've I think it's telling for me
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: that this was a a healthy split, if that even
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: is a thing, because of the pictures they both posted
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: of each other, like looking back on the memories and
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: looking back on the times together and doing it with
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: admiration like that typically doesn't happen.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: If it wasn't a healthy split.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: We would see some joint statement that was like, hey,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: we need privacy and we just aren't right for each other,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: and that's where it would end. But then the follow
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: ups of the two of them kind of sharing like
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: this was a beautiful thing and we respect each other
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: a lot, I think shows that, yes, this is a
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: healthy split. It's a sad split because they you know,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: you and I have both been around them quite a
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: bit and they did seem really good for each other.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: But and we do see them, you know, off cameras
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and away from the public, and it did feel like
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: the two of them could work. And I maybe why
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: they're frustration. You know why it's such a sad thing
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: for the both of them because I'm sure there was
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: many times where like, yeah, this is like the most
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: beautiful thing ever, but obviously you know they weren't compatible.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it is so sad, and it was
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of time. They're together for pretty much four
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: and a half years.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: So let's talk about for a second.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Mean, Kaitlyn obviously is somebody who has for you know
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: what eight years now we've seen go through the bachelorette
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: process and uh into now this stage of her life,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: and she is somebody that I know personally and I
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: know she wants to be a mother, a wife, have
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: a companion. Like It's It's not like Caitlin is not
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: very interested in that. And then Jason, obviously, I've I
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: took a huge road trip with him and we've spent
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of time together. I know he is very
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: excited for that stage of life as well. And I
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: think when I watched and I saw this, that was
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: one of the saddest parts to me.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: That's what I think of the most.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not gonna be able to do that together.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And I think they both believe that that could have
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: been could be with the two of them doing that
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: side by side, and and so now that the I
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: think that once they move on from this and they're
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: ready to get back on the world, which could take
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: you know, like we always say, there's not like a
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: time period of how long it should take.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be hard.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I do it's a public breakup, and those really hard
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: to then bounce back into the dating pool and find
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: somebody that you can connect with and move on with quickly.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: And that is sad to me because I know Caitlyn
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: wants to do it quicker or sooner rather than later.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that like what we saw with
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Caitlyn last time was really exciting for us. I know
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: it wasn't exciting for Sean, but like for us to
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: see something and for Caitlin, but then for it for
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: like its seeming like her bachelor experience was all for
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: a reason, and it was. It was all for a reason.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Even if she ends up with nobody from a bachelorination,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: look what she's done and the impact she's had on
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: so many people. But it was just like nice for
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: us to be like, oh that didn't work out, well,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Look she's with this other guy from the show. Was
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: all meant to be like this, and can we just
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: start it out there? Bachelorette twenty twenty four Kaitlyn Preston. Holy, well,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: she won't do it, Like she won't do it, And
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I'm just kind of joking because like, obviously she's not
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: good do it, but like talk about bringing the writings back.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I agree, No, I mean, I think we can probably
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: end it there. It's sad, it's hard.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: And we're all rooting for both of them, rooting.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: For both of them, I agree, rooting for both of them. Well,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: onto some exciting announcements. Bachelor Nation's Amanda Stanton is pregnant,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: expecting the first baby with husband Michael This according to
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Yahoo Yep.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: So she she put it out there a couple of
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: days ago. I know that this is something that she's wanted,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: and we don't know whether it's a girl or a
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: boy yet. I think it's due. The baby is due
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: in January. I feel like, why is like everybody do
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: in January?
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: It's very exciting and for them, and she showed off
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: her baby bump at the Taylor Swift concert this weekend.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: We'll have to have her on to talk about everything.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Like I think, I think it was very much like
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: time and they were trying and it was planned. She's
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: natural cycles, but like I just want to know, like
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: all her feelings because it's different. She has the two girls.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: The two girls are older now, you know, I think
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: they're like like eleven and nine or something like that.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: And now new husband, new baby. I think she's probably
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: really excited to see how the girls are going to
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: be big sisters this baby.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I mean, they're gonna be great big sisters.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I can't see Amanda without a daughter. It's weird for
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: me to think of her with her wants a boy.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Like I've not wanted to even say this because like,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: you know, you hate that there's like any sort of
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: like wish, but like I know that she wants a boy.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: It's just weird to think about because she's such a
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: girl mom like that. I know they're you know, her
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: girls are are so mature and like grown up now
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: that it'd be weird to think of her with a boy,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: but it would be, uh, it'd be spectacular either way.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: We're excited for them. Actually, we're really kind of like sandwiching,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: good stories are bad. But Michael A says he and
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Daniel Maltby are keeping things private amid split speculation. This
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: according to US Weekly, the reason that this is somewhat
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: sad or concerning to me is in this article, and
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: we'll have you break it down here, he does talk
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: about a public relationship and how it isn't fun, it's difficult,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: all those things, and they want to keep things private.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Typically though, that isn't a great signation.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: And it's they're over. I mean, I'm sorry, Yeah, it's
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: you don't go from having a public relationship that formed
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: on the show and then being like, oh, yeah, I
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: don't want to talk about it.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: I guess Rachel Lindsay has done this.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: She has decided and been pretty clear that she's not
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: really going to share a lot about Brian going forward.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: She kind of cut that off a couple of years ago,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: which I think does make people like whenever there's like
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: a rumor, like a blind item that says there's a
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: bachelor couple that is on the rocks, a lot of
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: people will go like, oh, Rachel and Brian, well that's
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: they just don't share that part of their life. But
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: like in the case of Danielle and Michael, they.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Had shared so much of their life, sharing so much,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: and then they just stop, and it makes you go, huh.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: So we'll wait and see for like if if it's official,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: if it's not, we'll keep everybody a tune. But he
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: does speak to it, and he is answering questions about it.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, like all we could say is he
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: said is on August third, so just a couple of
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: days ago. He said, Danielle and I both agree that
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: the only people that should be in our relationship is
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: the two of us, So we think that just the
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: healthiest way to have a relationship is to keep it private.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: They very much love each other, sure yeah, but sure yeah,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: love each other as humans at this point, and I
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: just don't think it's romantic. Then this one hurts for
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: me because I know and I'm like very much sounding like,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: oh it's over, it's overs over, like no emotion. I
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: really like the two of them. They've seems so amazing
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: and we don't want to be like, we don't want
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: it to be over. It just seems like it very
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: much is. And you know, in this situation where he
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: has a son, they've been together for a year. If
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: it's not going to work out, you know, don't drag
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: it out.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: I suppose, yeah, don't drag it out.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: I feel bad because she also moved to Cleveland for
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: him the area.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: It's just sad for me. I had a lot of
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: high hopes. Ashley final headline exciting for me? Actually is
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: it seems like Jesse Palmer is the host of The
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor, which makes me happy.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you why.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it makes sense.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: The only reason that I was pushing or you know,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: begging some would say, for an opportunity or a shot
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: at that show was when I believe Jesse wasn't going
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: to be involved because a football season. You know, he
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: obviously has his analyst job, and I thought there was
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: no way he could pull off both strike.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: We thought that maybe he was affected by it.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And so I just thought, hey, like, if they're looking,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I would want to make sure that my name was
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: in the pot. But if there weren't looking and it
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: was Jesse the whole time, then it makes sense for
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: how things progress and why I never heard a word
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: or never got an interview or any of.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: That, and so I'm happy that it's Jesse.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: There was no like, hey I want to take Jesse's
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: job in this, and hey I think I could do
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: a better job than Jesse. That was never the thought.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: It was I don't think Jesse's going to be involved
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: in the show. I don't know how he does it.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I still don't know how he's going to do it
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: with football season coming up around the corner in less
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: than a month, Like, how is this guy going to
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: do that?
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Well, there's also The Bachelor, you know, because especially from
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: The Bachelor late September early octobery.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: He's like the new Ryan Seacrest, Like he's up across
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: the country somehow. He shows up in LA for a show,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: then he's in New York the next like in like
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: five more hours, and he's hosting American Idol.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: And I don't know how these guys do it.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like what their life looks like, or
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: how they get sleep, or how they get rest, or
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: how they have any fun in life.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know. But it's impressive and it's at some
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: level admirable.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: I would have loved for Jesse to say, hey, you
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: know what, I really like that being guy I don't
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: want this job, Let's give it to him. But he didn't,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: and so it does seem like from recent social media
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: posts he is the host of the Golden Bachelor.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: I wish they would have just told you that.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know why they'd like, why not just be
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: open and clear. But I also think that because there
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: was secrecy and because there was some weird assumption that
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: he wouldn't be, that there was actually some debate as
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: to whether he was going to be or not.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I agree, So I just want to come out publicly
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: in Sam, I'm this is a great scenario. It is
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: his job. He is the host of this franchise. Now,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: he should be the host of this franchise in any
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: of their spin off shows that he can and wants
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: to do. But if this Golden Bachelor thing is ever
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: a thing he doesn't want to do, just know that
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: I'm still here, Ashley. That's all the headlines we have
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: for people today. We'll be back next week breaking down
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: the mentel all. Hopefully maybe next week we can try
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: to get Amanda on the podcast. If not very.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Soon, great Amanda, And because it's mental all producers, I
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: would love to have one of the guys that were
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: there just to make it a little bit jazzier, because
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: we all know that all of us aren't super thrilled
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: with mentel Al, But if we can get a little
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: inside scoop, that'd be fun.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: That would be fun. But until next week, I have
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: been Ben, I've been Ashley Sea.
• 56:23
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