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Football at Four: Updating Eagles Camp Battles Through Five Practices · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Adam Kaplin's here today Eagles training Camp, day five. We're
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  taking a closer look Vick Fangio speaking earlier today, We're
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  gonna update the Eagles can't battle through five practices in
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  where they stand or on offense or on defense with
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  the man Adam Kaplan from the Inside the Birds Podcast,
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  who joined us right now on the Sports bast Live
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  on ninety seven to three ESPN.
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  Speaker 2: Adam, what's going on, my man?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike, Look, we've been through five practice. It's super hot,
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  typical summer, and we've got some battles. We want to
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  update the battles for the five practice. Obviously, today's in pads,
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  and it's funny that the Eagles started practicing hour earlier.
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  It didn't really matter to her so the heat because
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  by the time practice Senator was over ninety degrees. But
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  bottom line is, coaches love when guys are in pads
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  and it's super hot because then you see how hard
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  guys compete when it's a little bit more stressful.
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  Speaker 1: Well he did vic fango that has brought that up today.
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  He's like, Ah, we're gonna be playing games that are
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  gonna be hot anyway. So if you can't handle this,
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  no good for you. But let's take a look in
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  and update the listeners on some of the camp battles
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  that we have. Let's start on offense, because everybody seems
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  to think about all the defensive battles, but there are
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  some things emerging on the offensive side of the ball
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  Adam kaplan.
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  Speaker 2: So through five.
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  Speaker 1: Practices, we know this is Saquon Barkley's world and all
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  the other running back are just living in it. But
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  there are other guys who have to touch the ball
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  at running back. And how is that materializing right now?
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  Speaker 3: Well, aj Dillon is taking more way more of the
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  two's with over Shipley. It doesn't mean Mike that it
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  won't be a situational job. So let me break this
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  down for you. It's what advance what we've been talking
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  about in the offseason. You know, as I said in March,
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  Dylan was signed to help out to be a closer.
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  If they have a big lead, go to Dylan, save Barkley.
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  So sure, that's certainly part of it, and we've seen
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  some of that in training camp in terms of getting
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  in early, giving Barkley a break. But what we're also
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  seen Mike Chickley lately is situationally third down, hurry up,
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  red zone if it's if it's inside the ten, you
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  might at the eight yard line. You'll see Barkley's line
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  I see to meet Shipley lineup off set too, hurts
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  his right not directly behind him, and he catches a
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  swing route, catches an angle route. That's something you're never
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  going to do with aj Dillon or I would say
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  almost never. So yeah, that that's that's where this thing
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  could be interesting. And obviously if Barkley couldn't play for
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  some reason, Dylan comes in in terms of heavy volume
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  because this is what the guy can do. Where Shipley
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  you don't know. He's a little bit later then you'd like.
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  In terms of building, it's not as weight. It's just
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  the way that he's built. You have to you have
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  to see with the way he's built, this is a
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  knock from a scouting standpoint with Shipley. Why he dropped
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  to the fourth to flitey his explosiveness, lower body not
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  not real strong, and that's a knock on him, but man,
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  he has got juice. You watch him just turn up
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  the field. But it's no criticism of Dyllany, just they're
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  completely different players, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And there was some talk about Dylan catching the football,
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  you know, out of the backfield. That could be something
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  that adds to it as well. Right, yeah, absolutely, but
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  it's it's something that we haven't seen them do in
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  this offense a whole heck of a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why this would be the year, but
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  maybe well, look.
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  Speaker 3: They did with Barkley a little bit last year. You
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  saw Week one the pass that he caught over the
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  linebacker for the Packers, which is a great throw and
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  a great play. Yeah, you know, it's funny. We've talked
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  about what happened two years ago when Jandre Swift seemed
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  like cost fifty passes in training camp and then was
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  barely used in the past game. He became over running
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  back of a runner. Rich. Look, if you want to
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  go by what you see, it sometimes you what you
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  see is not what you get and that was an
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  example of it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Adam.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like listening to Nick Sirianni on Monday, that
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  really there isn't much of a competition at right guard. Now,
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  he didn't come out say that, but tyler Stein seemingly
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  has taken almost all of the reps and nobody else
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  is getting any first team reps.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the only question Mike is who's the backup right
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  guard right now? It's either gonna be Matt Pryor or
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  Darrin Cannard. Both have got work in there. Trevor Keagan
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  is getting work at center, left guard. Don't know how
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  much we see him at right guard. So yeah, that's you.
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  Breck Tooth is the backup center right now when when
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  Jurgens is not in and which is a lot by
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  the way, they're really he's there, they're limiting his reps
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  with coming up back surgery. I totally get that. And
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  Drew Kennell is the third string center, and I don't
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  see him playing guard at this level. He can do
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  it because he's playing it, but he's he's more of
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  he's more built for center. So yeah, that that's it, Mike.
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  I mean with the offensive line, we kind of it's
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  it's starting to round into shape, O, right, Mike, it's
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  kind of. Kennel Lamb is clearly the backup uh, swing tackle.
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  Miles Hinton has got some work at both left and
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  right tackle. Kenna Lamb is clearly ahead of.
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  Speaker 1: Miles Inton, all right, So Tyler Stein se to be
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  winning that spot. There was a question asked yesterday. I
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  think Jeff Mosher asked the question actually about the backup
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  center spot because last year Steen went to left guard
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  when Dickerson went to center. It sounds like it might
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  be that way again, that Dickerson would be the center,
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  and that there's such a plethora of guards in this
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  mix that somebody would have to go if that ended
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  up happening, that Jurgens miss time again, right, Is that
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  what you're reading?
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  Speaker 3: Sure? I would think that's the way with name because
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  no offense to the other two guys. I mean, look,
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  they got three weeks left plus a preseason proved that
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  that's not the case, Mike. But Lamont Texas is the
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  best backup center. That's just the way it is now.
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  Long term, Mike. The Eagles are really hopeful that Drew
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  Kendall number sixty six, You might remember his dad, Pete.
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  Both went to bus in college. The hope is that
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  Drew Kennel will be Jurgens' long term backup, but we
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  got a ways to go here.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to another battle possibly emerging. I
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  I know about battle, but the depth at wide receiver,
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  we know it's Brown and it is his age. It's
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  a Brown and Smith and then h you know Johann Dotson.
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  But after that anybody else standing out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: John Dodson is the three. But you know it's a shame.
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  Terrace Marshall at a lower body injury. The first TAF
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  for practice will we'll we'll learn more. They're off to
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  I mean they have a walk through to Marshall. We'll
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  learn more Thursday morning. But Terres Marshall has been the
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  story of camp. Really, they're off season. Mike, we've talked
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  about him a lot. This is his fourteen. It's amazing.
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  I totally forgot it is with the Niners very briefly.
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  So this is an wonderful opportunity for him. Let's hope
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  he's not out long. One of the really cool stories
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  Mike is number eighty two Ania Smith and a Nia
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  Smith when and they've they've run a lot eleven personnel,
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  which is three receivers won back one ted end. Nia
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  Smith has pretty much been and we know with DeVante
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  Smith out with the bruce back that Dotson is filling
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  in for Davonte Smith. A nice Smith is the first
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  receiver off the bench when they go eleven. He's in
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  the slot in Dotson's za, So a nice Smith. Now, look,
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  he last year was kind of a red shirt year
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  for him. Let's be honest about he never is really healthy.
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  He's not nursing anything. He's out dropping passes. He's also
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  returning punts in practice. So this guy is he's got
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  a lot of ability. It's a fifth round pick last year. Really,
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  he's what we call power slow was the term we
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  were told, so we'll use that one. He's very strong
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  physically for a slot receiver. And Scott the Eagles are
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  really excited about.
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  Speaker 1: All right, one more at tight end because that was
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  the story of the off season. And then Grant, excuse me,
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  Dallas Goddard came back. You got Grant cal Kutara who's returning.
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  But there's a lot of new faces at tight end.
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  What is the battle who would be the guy behind
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  Dallas Goddard?
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  Speaker 3: Right now, Calcultar is clearly the two. Now this is
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  the first full week of practice, so we're not running
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  with this yet, but he clearly is in the lead.
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  And Harrison Brian I know the Eagles were excited about
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  kind of Grants. It's a little different from both of
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  those other guys. Grant is more like Calcuterra than Harrison
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  Brian is. And Eh Penkins second verted receiver who's been
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  here a while. Mike, uh, and you know he's put
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  weight on. I know Andrew Decheco had told us that
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  I'm just talks with Jenkins that he puts some weight on.
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  So we'll see what happens with Jenkins. But the hope
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  is that one of these guys really pushes Calcatarra, but
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  it hasn't happened yet.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to the defense, Adam kaplan here football at four,
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  looking at the five excuse me, five practices so far,
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  looking at some of the position battles. Let's go to
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  edge where everybody's intrigued by this because apparently they have
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  Lawrence Taylor in Jale's Hunt over there.
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  Speaker 2: But who's he's holding off?
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  Speaker 1: Aziz O Zallari and Josh how did they factor in
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  right now?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really not a battle. Mike Hunt is clearly starting.
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  It's the question, is of course less something changes. The
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  question is now, and this has happened in the last
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  couple of days. Josh Ucha after o Jalari. The first
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  three practices was clearly the three was. It was just
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  a matter of Ojelari and how and how they're going
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  to rotate hunt. And now josh Ucha is getting reps
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  over Ojelari. So this is something to watch here. Joshua
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  had it. You know, it's been three years since he
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  was really a relevant player. Last two were not very good.
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  So he's on his thirteen and three years. But this
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  guy's got talent. Mike, he's not sound like he's old.
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  And O Jelari he goes like this table last year.
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  That's why they sign him and guaranteed his entire one
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  year contract. But he's got to prove it. I mean,
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  he's got to prove that he's got juice left. So
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  we'll have to see what happens. But that one has
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  got a little bit more interesting. And then the Obo
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  Conker he's there too. He's look pretty good so far
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  from what I understand.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I like ojeluris signing, by the way, so
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  I think that one will be one to keep an
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  eye on. Let's go to inside linebacker where you know
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  Dean is out, So then what we've got the rookie
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  Johide Campbell. Jeremiah Trotter's name has been coming up a
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  lot here recently. So how does that inside linebacker spot
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  next to Zach Bond who did not practice today.
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  Speaker 3: Look, yeah, with Bond dealing with an injury. So what
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  they what they had done previously previously today to to
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  today was Dean when barnwo need arrest, Dean would go
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  to the mic position and Campbell would go to the
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  will and that's exactly what they did today. Trotter's having
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  a very good camf. You know, here's the thing that
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  he makes up for. You know, he's not a great athlete,
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  but he's so instinctual for the position more than John
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  Campbell is, to be honest with you, John Campbell's splash player.
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  He's made some really interesting place the first first four
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  or five practices. But Trotter juniors ahead clearly from understanding
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  the defense. And that's what Campbell's got to learn. And
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  smile MONI, he didn't practice yesterday, he'd practice today and
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  look they're down. You know, they were down on depth
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  at inside back or so a lot of guys were
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  rolling in.
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  Speaker 1: There all right, probably one of the higher profile ones
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  in terms of this one's wide open. A lot of
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  these other ones seem like they're either for backup spots
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  or you know, fill ins. This one's a big one.
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  Ringo and Adri Jackson and Ringo got first team reps.
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  Speaker 2: Today. A lot of people say, Jackson's look good. Where's
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  this one stand?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jackson's got better versustially because he could play nickel,
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  he could play inside, he could play outside. So it's
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  very even, Mike. One thing I don't read into from
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  going to practice for nearly twenty seven years. I don't
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  care it takes the first rep. It's sometimes ceremonial, but
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  it's very even, Mike. It would be hard to it
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  would be hard to say one guy's clearly ahead. Reinos
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  had some moments where he didn't make the player got beat,
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  you know, but you love us length. He's got to
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  do better with a ball on the air in the air, Mike.
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  That's that's really his challenge with technique also, but he's
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  also made some play so it's it's very even. He
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  goes like Drurry, Jackson's taping up because they went out
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  of signed him and they brought him in on the
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  low end deal, no doubt about it. But right now
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  it's even and again we've only had five practices. What
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  I like to do is because they five practices this
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  week and it'll be total of eight for two weeks,
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  that's when we're really going to get a better feel
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  for this.
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  Speaker 1: When they asked him about Jackson, did you see him?
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  I didn't really see him. How he signs guys and
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  I just trust him and we'll go with that. So
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  Dori Jackson, Kaylee Ringo. Another one to keep an eye on, obviously,
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  will be the safety spot that is Drew mccouba, the rookie,
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  and Sidney Brown. He was asked about Vic Fangiel was
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  asked about Sidney Brown today, he said, look, he couldn't
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  do anything last year, was way behind the terminology.
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  Speaker 2: Not the same this year.
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  Speaker 1: He's getting to start from Jump Street, So that makes
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  that safety spot very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mike with Macuba's injuries shoulder injury, because he
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  can't take contact right now, once it gets clear for contact,
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  he'll be out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Brown's clearly working on the ones and with blanket hip
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  of course, and lewis seen is there Andre SAMs ahead
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  of Lewis Scene, Tristan McCollum, who's now with his third
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  year with the Eagles. So yeah, they're kind of light there,
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  Mike a little bit. It really does look different without
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  one guy being out there. So Andre Samson, guy you know,
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  number thirty one, who was signed US at unterrector free
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  agent last year. The Eagles really like they've kind of
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  developed a little bit behind the scenes. He's kind of
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  a guy that we're gonna watch the rest of training
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  camp here.
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  Speaker 2: I know that's a guy that Andrew likes.
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  Speaker 1: He's been on kind of touting him during his segments
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  on Football at four. That will be on Thursday. This
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  is Adam kaplan.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles open up on Thursday, August the seventh, and
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  they will be right here on ninety seven three ESPN.
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  One other guy, when I ask you about that, wasn't
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  a part of the guys in these battles here, but Marrow.
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  Ojomo has been talked about a lot. He got the
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  first question today. Everybody seems to think, hey, this could
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  be a seamless transition from Milton Williams over tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Ojomo.
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  Speaker 3: He's just a different player. Mikey. He's got really good lands.
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  He's explosive, but the only concern really here is how
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  does he hold up against the run because he's just
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  not as powerfully built as Williams. Is a better player.
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  I'm not saying he's not. Williams was good every year
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  with the Eagles, and he became exceptional in the last
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  couple of years. That's why I got a huge deal.
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  That's why three teams are in it for him. But
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  Maro Jomas, a guy the eaglestick, has a really big upside,
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  done a really good job of development. This is his
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  third year, really came into his own last year in
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  his role, playing around third of the snap. So that's
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  a guy, Mike that has really come on here. He seven.
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  He's probably having one of the best camps of any
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  defensive player, to be honest.
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  Speaker 2: With you, keep an eye on that.
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  Speaker 1: I do like what he talked about Jordan Davis today
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  as well, about losing the weight and that should help him,
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  you know, be a lot more effective there. He's lost
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  almost thirty pounds, did Jordan Davis something that Vic Fangio
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  did comment on earlier today?
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  Speaker 2: All right, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of looks at the battles on both the
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  offense and defensive side of the ball from Adam Kaplan
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  from the Inside of the Birds podcast, and those guys
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  have plenty more coverage on these first five days of
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  training camp.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Adam, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: Real quick, we've got our daily to check go up
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  on Inside the Birds right now on our podcast version
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  of it, so you can hear Andrews not ites from
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  today's practice.
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  Speaker 1: All right, man, we'll everybody go check that out over
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  at Inside the Birds dot com, available on all podcasting platforms.
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  Speaker 2: There's Adam. He'll be back on Friday.
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  Speaker 1: See you man, all right, Adam Kaplan here on the
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  Sports batt Live on ninety seven three ESPN.