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- Lucas: So there's this moment in every senior leader's career that most people treat as a footnote: the exit interview. Luna: Right, the fifteen-minute chat with HR where you say everything was great and you're leaving for 'a new opportunity'. Lucas: Exactly. And that's exactly what most people do. But I've been looking at a case — a former chief operating officer at a mid-cap logistics firm — who flipped the script entirely. She walked into that room with a five-page document, not a verbal handshake. Luna: Five pages? What was in it? Lucas: She called it a 'departure memo'. It wasn't a complaint list. It was a structured proposal: here's what I need to leave cleanly, here's what I'm offering in return — knowledge transfer, a smooth transition, introductions to my key client contacts — and here are the terms that would make me consider a consulting arrangement post-exit. Luna: And she hadn't given notice yet? Lucas: That's the crucial piece. She'd already lined up her next role — but she hadn't resigned. She went to the CEO and said, 'Before I make this official, I want to talk about how we can both benefit from a structured transition.' That gave her leverage. Luna: Because once you hand in that resignation letter, the dynamic flips. You're leaving, they're focused on replacement, and suddenly you're a short-timer. Lucas: Exactly. The leverage window is the period where they don't know your exact date yet — where they're still imagining you staying another month or two if you can work something out. That COO negotiated an extra six months of health coverage — COBRA would have cost her about twenty-four hundred a month — and a consulting retainer at sixty percent of her base salary for ten hours a month. Luna: That's not a severance package. That's a bridge into her next thing. Lucas: It's a bridge. And she also got an intro to a partner at a private equity firm that the CEO sat on the board of. That intro eventually led to her next operating role. Luna: So she didn't just negotiate money — she negotiated access. That's a whole different level of exit strategy. Lucas: And it starts with mindset. Most executives walk into an exit interview thinking, 'I'm done here, I have nothing to offer.' But you have enormous value in transition: institutional knowledge, client relationships, team morale. Companies will pay for a graceful exit. Luna: What about the non-compete? That's a huge issue at the VP level and above. Lucas: She had one — eighteen months, fairly standard for logistics. But she negotiated a carve-out for her specific next role before she resigned. The CEO agreed in writing that her new position wasn't competitive, so the non-compete wouldn't apply. Luna: That's smart. Because once you leave, the company has no incentive to renegotiate. They already have your signature. Lucas: Right. And the key lesson is: prepare your exit interview the way you'd prepare a board presentation. Know exactly what you want — not just severance, but references, board introductions, consulting terms, non-compete flexibility — and have a rationale for each. Luna: So what does that departure memo actually look like? Format-wise? Lucas: She shared a template privately with me. It has four sections. First: 'Transition Plan' — what she'd do in her final weeks, who she'd train, which projects she'd hand off. Second: 'Continuity Offer' — consulting retainer terms, availability, scope. Third: 'Requests' — the specific items she wanted, like extended benefits and the non-compete carve-out. Fourth: 'Future Relationship' — mutual references, introductions, potential board involvement. Luna: That's incredibly structured. Most people just go in and ask for more severance. Lucas: And they get a standard package. The memo forces the conversation into trade-offs. 'I'll train my successor if you give me six months of health coverage.' That's a deal, not a demand. Luna: I love that framing. It's negotiation 101: frame it as a mutual benefit, not a parting gift. Lucas: Let me give you a specific number. The average vp level exit package in the US — if you just take the standard offer — is about three to six months of salary, plus COBRA reimbursement for the same period. This COO got nine months of effective runway: six months of health coverage plus the consulting retainer, which paid well beyond her salary. And the PE intro was pure optionality. Luna: So the upside isn't just money. It's network, it's flexibility, it's a softer landing. Lucas: Yeah. And there's a psychological piece too. When you prepare that memo, you're forced to articulate your value — not to the company, but to yourself. That's useful when you're walking into a new role and you need to know your worth. Luna: I want to talk about timing. You said she went to the CEO before resigning. How early is too early? Lucas: You want to have your next role secured — or at least a final-stage offer — before you have the conversation. But you also want to leave enough runway. She had a start date six weeks out. That gave her room to negotiate a three-week transition and a consulting overlap. Luna: What if the CEO says no? Or gets angry? Lucas: That's the risk. But if you're dealing with a professional CEO — and most are, especially at the mid-cap level — they'd rather have a cooperative transition than a bitter departure. The worst case is you resign on the spot, and you're back to the standard exit. But you haven't lost anything you would have had otherwise. Luna: So the downside is basically zero. You're just asking for more, with a clear offer in return. Lucas: Exactly. And I'd argue that the act of preparing the memo itself has value. One VP I spoke with said writing her departure memo helped her realize she'd undervalued her client relationships. She ended up asking for — and getting — a three-month consulting contract specifically to manage the handoff to the new team. Luna: That's a concrete example of knowing your worth. She probably wouldn't have thought of that in the moment. Lucas: And that's the broader point. The exit interview is the last moment of leverage in a job. Use it intentionally. Luna: Alright, I want to switch gears slightly. We've been talking about proactive executives who plan their exit. But what about someone who's being pushed out — a restructuring, a performance issue? Does this still apply? Lucas: It's trickier, but the same logic holds. If you sense you're being managed out, you can still initiate the conversation early. One CFO I know was given a sixty-day performance plan. Instead of waiting it out, she went to the board chair and proposed a separation — with a transition plan, a consulting agreement, and a reference letter — all before the plan expired. Luna: She turned a termination into a negotiated exit. Lucas: Exactly. Because the company wants to avoid the hassle of a performance termination — the documentation, the potential legal risk, the morale impact. If you offer them a clean exit with a positive narrative, they'll often pay for it. Luna: That requires a lot of emotional discipline. Most people in that situation are defensive, not strategic. Lucas: And that's why this is a career strategy skill, not just a negotiation tactic. The best executives I've seen treat every transition — even involuntary ones — as a moment to protect their brand and their finances. Luna: So if a listener is currently in a senior role and thinking about a move, what's the one thing they should do today? Lucas: Start writing the departure memo. Even if you're not leaving tomorrow. Draft what a smooth transition would look like, what you'd want in return, and what you're willing to offer. It clarifies your thinking and gives you a template when the moment comes. Luna: That's practical. I like that. Lucas: And keep it updated. One CEO I know revises his departure memo every year during his annual review. He says it helps him negotiate his current compensation — because he knows exactly what he'd walk away with. Luna: That's almost like a BATNA for your own job. Lucas: Exactly right. Best alternative to a negotiated agreement — except in this case, your alternative is the standard exit package, and you're negotiating for better. Luna: Alright, Lucas, we're going to take a very short break here. If today's episode was useful to you and you want to keep it ad-free, buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo helps. It's that simple. Lucas: Yeah, a handful of listeners chip in monthly through that link, and it literally funds these conversations. No ads, no sponsors, just good content. Appreciate it. Luna: Alright, back to the topic. One last angle I want to explore: the legal side. When you're negotiating these terms, should you have a lawyer review the departure memo? Lucas: If you're asking for non-compete modifications or equity treatment, yes. Employment lawyers who specialize in executive compensation are worth the hourly rate. But for standard items — consulting retainer, benefits extension, references — you can handle it yourself if you're comfortable with the language. Luna: And the cost of that lawyer? Typically what, a couple thousand dollars? Lucas: For a review and advice, yes. But if you negotiate an extra three months of consulting fees at ten thousand a month, that's a thirty-thousand-dollar upside. Worth the investment. Luna: Good point. So the takeaway: treat the exit interview as a strategic conversation, not a formality. Prepare a memo, know your leverage, and negotiate before you resign. Lucas: And remember, the moment you hand in that resignation letter, your leverage drops. So have the conversation first. It might feel awkward, but the payoff can be substantial. Luna: Great episode. Thanks, Lucas. Lucas: Thanks, Luna. See you next time.