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Football at Four: Do the Recent NFL Head Coaching Firings Impact Eagles OC Search? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Boucher from the Inside the Birds podcast right now for
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Speaker 2: I'm good, Mike, how are you doing?
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Speaker 1: Great man, It's good to see you on this Monday.
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Speaker 1: All ready to go for the off season as we've
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Speaker 1: kind of shifted now to off season mode and we
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Speaker 1: got more vacancies and we do have some vacancies being
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Speaker 1: filled right now. The Bills fired Sean McDermott earlier, so
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Speaker 1: how do you think that could call some domino effects
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Speaker 1: potentially for the Philadelphia situation here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly if the Eagles have their eye on Brian Dabele,
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Speaker 3: which they do that opening up in Buffalo, where Dable
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Speaker 3: really not only succeeded with josh Allen, but as we understand,
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Speaker 3: had a good relationship.
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Speaker 2: He challenged josh Allen, Joshua challenged back and it was great.
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Speaker 3: And obviously josh Allen really became what he is today
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Speaker 3: in large part because of Brian dables influence and coaching.
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Speaker 3: So if that's just another suitor for Dabel, who, especially
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Speaker 3: as a head coach, then that's a potential team that
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Speaker 3: could take away from the Eagles. And then just in general,
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Speaker 3: the fact that they have a head coach and now
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Speaker 3: most likely an offensive coordinator, that is another team that
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Speaker 3: you're competing with for they if they if they were
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Speaker 3: to hire two offensive people for that, So that position, let's.
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Speaker 1: Look at some of the things out there. By the way,
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Speaker 1: the Lions have filled their offensive coordinator position, and it's
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Speaker 1: a name that we did not hear surrounding the Philadelphia Eagles.
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Speaker 1: They went with I don't want to say an unknown
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Speaker 1: but a guy who has been a coordinator in Arizona.
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Speaker 1: Drew Petsing. I think a lot of people thought that
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Speaker 1: the Lions offensive coordinator opening would have been a high
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Speaker 1: profile job. Are you surprised by that? And if you're
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Speaker 1: the Eagles, you kind of like, okay, that, you know,
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Speaker 1: keeps a guy on the map that we thought could
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Speaker 1: have we were interested in that could have gone there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a little bit surprised.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I guess I would have
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Speaker 3: thought Dan Campbell would look for something.
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Speaker 2: More in the mold of what he hadn't Ben Johnson.
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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that Drew Petsing isn't a smart
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Speaker 3: or a creative offensive coordinator, but I think it's a different.
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Speaker 2: Kind of style.
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Speaker 3: He's more of a you know, I think he coached
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Speaker 3: under Kevin Stefanski and he's more like that kind of
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Speaker 3: a offensive coordinator with his concepts. But I thought that
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Speaker 3: Petsing actually did a pretty decent job the first two
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Speaker 3: years in Arizona. I mean, you're always a little bit
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Speaker 3: handcuffed with your quarterback who's either hurt coming back for
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Speaker 3: an injury, or not so great to begin with. And
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Speaker 3: then he obviously had per set last year, which is
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Speaker 3: a difficulty they had offensive line.
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Speaker 2: Issues the whole way out.
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Speaker 3: But the one thing that doesn't surprise me is Dan
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Speaker 3: Campbell is a pretty convicted guy who kind of knows
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Speaker 3: what he wants, and so it didn't surprise me that
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Speaker 3: he didn't just, you know, interview all the same guys
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Speaker 3: everybody else is interviewing and set and try to outrace
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Speaker 3: everybody for one of them.
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Speaker 1: Let's look at uh, we're talking with Jeff Mosher football
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Speaker 1: for from the Inside the Birds podcast. Over the weekend,
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Speaker 1: we did get a flurry of names anews, So let's
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Speaker 1: look at some of the names and kind of get
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Speaker 1: your initial reaction on the fit and you know how
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Speaker 1: it might go over here.
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Speaker 2: Let's Mike real quick.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to interrupt you, but I think there's
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Speaker 3: a really important conversation.
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Speaker 2: I wrote about this today for Philly Voice.
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Speaker 3: There's an important conversation to be had about this position
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Speaker 3: before you can even assign a name or a fit, right,
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Speaker 3: and the important conversation is who are the Eagles now? Offensively,
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Speaker 3: who are they and what do they want to be?
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Speaker 2: Because we're we could go through a bunch of names.
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Speaker 3: They're casting a wide net, as they clearly do whenever
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Speaker 3: they need any kind of coach, and I always think
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Speaker 3: that's a good thing. You want intel, you want you know,
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Speaker 3: you could be coaching against these guys. You want to
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Speaker 3: just get as much information they go to the college ranks, right,
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Speaker 3: So that's a good thing. But while that's great for
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Speaker 3: head coach because usually you're hitting the reset button when
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Speaker 3: you're looking for a head coach. So you're welcome to
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Speaker 3: any types of ideas or philosophies this job.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that I see the Eagles should.
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Speaker 3: Be welcoming to any kind of philosophies because Hallie Roseman
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Speaker 3: said they're still in win now mode and they have
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Speaker 3: built the team over the last four years five years
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Speaker 3: that has been very successful doing it a certain way.
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Speaker 3: And so some of these coordinators, you know, like maybe
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Speaker 3: guys from the mcveay or Shanahan Tree are guys who
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Speaker 3: do things radically different than the Eagles do. And then
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Speaker 3: some would probably act better to what the Eagles have done.
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Speaker 3: But the Eagles have to decide is that what they
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Speaker 3: want do they want to keep the core philosophies that
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Speaker 3: they've had the last few years and just find someone
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Speaker 3: to improve it. Like I guess you could say they
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Speaker 3: did that with Kellen Moore. Except if we're being very honest,
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Speaker 3: their passing game was regressing even in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: You can't do the whole but they won the Super
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Speaker 3: Bowl and scored all these points in the championship game
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Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl because they had a ridiculous plus
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Speaker 3: twelve turnover ratio in the postseason.
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Speaker 2: That's not going to happen every time.
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Speaker 3: Or there's the downside to do it the other way,
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Speaker 3: which is taking a sledgehammer to it, trying to bring
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Speaker 3: in a guy who runs concepts that you've never really
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Speaker 3: run before and hoping that this team is going to
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Speaker 3: abjab to it.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, he goes. I wou was saying about
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Speaker 1: this this morning, and it's like, look, I feel like
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Speaker 1: the Eagles fans are so fixated on the big name.
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Speaker 1: They want a guy they've heard of, or a guy
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Speaker 1: that they've known, or a guy who was credentials. And
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Speaker 1: then I'm thinking to myself, who knew Liam Kohane And
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Speaker 1: he gets a head coaching job and next thing you know,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville thirteen wins who knew Dave Canalis And I know
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Speaker 1: they were under five hundred, but he took them to
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Who know Mike McDaniel, who's out there in Seattle. Now,
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Speaker 1: I know he's a defensive guy. But there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of coaches that were kind of unknown, and you wonder
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Speaker 1: if the league is kind of flipping here and you're
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Speaker 1: seeing the change of these younger, lesser known names kind
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Speaker 1: of getting their chances, and the guys who have been
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Speaker 1: the recycled guys kind of like, you know what, we're
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Speaker 1: ready to move on from the older, recycled group. It's
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Speaker 1: give the new guy the chance. And I don't know
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Speaker 1: how well that's going to go over here.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't even know before how well that is
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Speaker 3: from an optic standpoint. I don't know that the Eagles
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Speaker 3: are in position to do that anymore, because, as we
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Speaker 3: talked about last week, they can't take a chance.
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Speaker 2: On a Canalis or a McDaniel.
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Speaker 3: They can't take a chance on a guy who's not
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Speaker 3: called plays before, all right, because they just did that
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Speaker 3: and their offensive, head minded head coach is enable to
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Speaker 3: throw that guy or nurture that guy, give him a
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Speaker 3: life preserver.
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Speaker 2: That they absolutely need a play caller, a proven play caller.
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Speaker 3: Now to your point, there are some out there who
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Speaker 3: are come from sexier offenses and will excite people, and
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Speaker 3: there are some who do not and will not excite people,
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Speaker 3: and that, from an optic standpoint, will probably be a
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Speaker 3: debate for a lot of the fans.
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Speaker 1: Right. So, you know, if you ended up going with,
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Speaker 1: let's go down some of these names real fast. Josh Grizzard,
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Speaker 1: the people might say, wait what Josh Grizzard Former Buccaneers
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Jim Bob Cooter. He's a name that people
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Speaker 1: may be familiar with just because it's such a you know,
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Speaker 1: outrageous name that people hear Jim Bob Cooter. They know
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Speaker 1: if his name was Jim Couter, they might not remember us.
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Speaker 1: But the fact that he's being involved. Mike Kafka, Zach Robinson,
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Speaker 1: Bobby Slowick, Charlie Weiss Junior. And think you hear those
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Speaker 1: names and you're like, wait what so yeah, exactly you
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Speaker 1: have those names there? Any of those names kind of
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Speaker 1: stand out as you like to fit or can see
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Speaker 1: because of another reason, maybe a relationship or something else.
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Speaker 3: I mean a couple of them. See, That's where I
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Speaker 3: go back to the fit. I don't know if any
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Speaker 3: I don't know if they fit. I don't know if
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Speaker 3: if Charlie weis junior who you know has been Lane
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Speaker 3: Kiffen's offensive coordinator both at Ole Miss and about to
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Speaker 3: be LSU fits like, I mean, yes, he can run
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Speaker 3: a lot of RPOs, can do a lot of the
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Speaker 3: college stuff that the Eagles do, but he's never been
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Speaker 3: an NFL play caller. And we just talked about, you know,
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Speaker 3: optics or just forget optics because the Eagles don't care
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Speaker 3: about that. But like when you have not a guy
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Speaker 3: who's never called plays in the NFL before come to
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Speaker 3: this team, try to draw up a defense for an offense,
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, drop an offense for a personnel that has
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Speaker 3: already won Super Bowls and is like they have to
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Speaker 3: get his respect. Is it going to be there from
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Speaker 3: the start. It's a stretch, it's a you got a
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Speaker 3: really squint to see it. But I like the fact
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Speaker 3: that the Eagles want to get information and intel on
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Speaker 3: a guy who's a really bright mind, who's known for
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Speaker 3: doing really innovating things and has had success at the
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Speaker 3: college level. Obviously, you're at LSU now you're you're basically
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Speaker 3: one step from the NFL with all the talent that
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Speaker 3: you you're coaching so that's an interesting name.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, like you go through these guys and you
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Speaker 2: see some.
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Speaker 3: Zach Robinson is a guy who coached under you know,
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Speaker 3: he was with Land in the last two years, but
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Speaker 3: he mainly came from uh, I want to say the
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Speaker 3: Shanahan Tree, like that's his.
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Speaker 2: Well McVay, mfaye, that's what I meant.
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Speaker 1: McVay right, game coordinator for the Rams when they won
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: Correct, So he's now that being.
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Speaker 1: Said, he has been kind of noted to be a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a disappointment as the play caller in Atlanta.
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Speaker 3: Sure, and plus if you're he ran almost an predominantly
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Speaker 3: pistol offense with the Falcons, is he going to do
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Speaker 3: that here? I mean, are the past con which are
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Speaker 3: going to be West Coast based and heavily motion pre
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Speaker 3: snap motion?
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Speaker 2: Is that?
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Speaker 3: Is that going to work with the Eagles, who do
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Speaker 3: not use pre snap motion, do not use misdirection, do
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Speaker 3: not have a passing game that intends to exploit every
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Speaker 3: single blade of grass on the field and is based.
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Speaker 2: On timing and rhythm. Like Mike McDaniel is awesome.
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Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel as an Eagles coordinator will excite a lot
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Speaker 3: of people. But could this offense right now as it
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Speaker 3: is currently constructed with Jeff Heltlan running the offensive run game,
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Speaker 3: could that be?
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Speaker 2: Where can that work? I do?
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Speaker 1: I want to say I did listen to McDaniel in
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Speaker 1: an interview from a couple of years ago when he
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Speaker 1: was in Washington, and he was talking about how adaptable
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Speaker 1: he had to be based on what a guy who
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Speaker 1: can adapt to his talent as opposed to this is
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Speaker 1: my offense and this is what I run.
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Speaker 3: Of course, But if you're getting Mike McDaniel and you're
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Speaker 3: asking him to adapt to the things that you already do,
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Speaker 3: are you getting Mike McDaniel? I have no doubt he
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Speaker 3: can adapt because let me ask you this question. What
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Speaker 3: you want him running what he does best is what
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Speaker 3: I would say, Yes.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question. They had Waddle and
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Speaker 1: ty Tyree Hill, Tyreek Hill, Yep, you've got Brown and Smith.
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Speaker 1: I mean they're different type of receivers, but he found
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Speaker 1: ways to get them the ball. My question would be,
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Speaker 1: do you like Tua as the guy distributed him the
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Speaker 1: ball better or do you like Jalen Hurts as the
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Speaker 1: guy distributing the ball better? Well?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that that's where you saw out
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Speaker 2: of the change.
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Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, I believe the Dolphins were probably
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Speaker 3: more shotgun with Tua than most Shanahan.
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Speaker 2: Guys or most McVeigh guys are. They're under center.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's cool that we've seen Jalen Hurt be able
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Speaker 3: to operate from under center. But there's no question that
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Speaker 3: Tua tongue of Ioloa, despite his flaws, of which he
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Speaker 3: has many, he is a very good timing and anticipation
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Speaker 3: West Coast style quarterback thrower. And they built that dolphense
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Speaker 3: around that short game, throwing it and occasionally getting it
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Speaker 3: deep to Tyreekill, but mostly yards after catch. He uses
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Speaker 3: a fullback, right, he uses a fullback like alec Ingold,
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Speaker 3: similarly to the way say the forty nine ers will
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Speaker 3: use Kyle You shit, right, So, like, what do the
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Speaker 3: Eagles have that could match that? That would be like
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Speaker 3: a core change you would probably have to make or
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Speaker 3: the Eagles would probably have to try to find one
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Speaker 3: of those guys. It is interestingly signed Carson Steele as
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Speaker 3: a fullback from the Chiefs, and they got Ben van
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Speaker 3: Sumer in. You know, and again I'm not saying Mike
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Speaker 3: McDaniel couldn't make it work. But you're talking about trying
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Speaker 3: to match a coordinator with a quarterback.
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Speaker 2: And a scheme. Look at what the Seattle Seahawks did,
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Speaker 2: all right. They moved on from Gino Smith.
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Speaker 3: They hired Clint Kubiak straight from the Shanahan tree to
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Speaker 3: be their offensive coordinator. So then they move on from
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Speaker 3: Gino Smith and they bring in who Sam Darnold, who
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Speaker 3: not only the year before was with Kevin O'Connell a
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Speaker 3: similar mindset and offensive mind but Donald before that was
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Speaker 3: in San Francisco under Shanahan when Kubiak was the pass
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Speaker 3: game coordinator. So the first thing they did was they
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Speaker 3: got this coordinator, they have an identity of what they
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Speaker 3: want to be, they got the right quarterback to fit
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Speaker 3: that identity.
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Speaker 2: Could that be.
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Speaker 3: The case with Mike McDaniel and Jalen Hurts. I don't
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Speaker 3: think it's as certain. I think that's like we have
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Speaker 3: to see if this thing works out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I mean that's the big question there is
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Speaker 1: it is with Mike McDaniel, how much do the Eagles
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Speaker 1: look at their offense and say we want to scrap
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Speaker 1: the whole thing and just basically bang, hit, a button
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Speaker 1: and start over.
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Speaker 3: That's my question, which I think is hard to do
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Speaker 3: when you've got so many veterans who are locked into
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Speaker 3: long term deals, coaches who are here, the guy who's
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Speaker 3: like just Stoutlin right, and then a quarterback who's already
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Speaker 3: been to two Super Bowls and won one. I think
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Speaker 3: for Nick Sirianni, it is very difficult to look in
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Speaker 3: the mirror and say I need to take a sledgehammer
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Speaker 3: to everything that we've done offensively over the last five years.
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Speaker 3: When we've won seventy percent of our regular season game,
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Speaker 3: sixty percent of our playoff games, we've been to two
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Speaker 3: super Bowls, and we won a Super Bowl. How do
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Speaker 3: you look in the mirror and say, I'm gonna blow
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Speaker 3: all of that up and radically redefine it, knowing that
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Speaker 3: if it doesn't work, I probably I'm the first guy
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Speaker 3: that probably loses my job.
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Speaker 2: All Right.
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Speaker 1: The other guys that I want to throw your way,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher and just kind of, you know, take your
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Speaker 1: temperature to see, you know, how they fit in the
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Speaker 1: possibility here. Brian Dabel, we just mentioned Mike McDaniel. Those
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Speaker 1: two guys there, we just talked about McDaniel Dabel. Interesting.
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Speaker 1: I was doing more research because I like Dabel. However,
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Speaker 1: he had really two high quality years as a coordinator
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Speaker 1: in Buffalo. They got him hired in New York before that,
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Speaker 1: not a lot of success as a coordinator in ltiple
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Speaker 1: stops and as the head coach in New York after
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Speaker 1: his one year that he got him to the playoffs,
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Speaker 1: not a lot of success. Now, that could be talent based,
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Speaker 1: but he's really living off of two really good years
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Speaker 1: in Buffalo. Can you see him come in here and
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Speaker 1: do it a lot what he did with Josh Allen.
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Speaker 2: Yes, say he's good. He's good now.
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Speaker 3: He clearly does not have the temperament to be a
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Speaker 3: head coach, which doesn't mean he won't get a head
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Speaker 3: coaching job again, but if you watch, you realize he
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Speaker 3: would have to make some major major changes in temperament,
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Speaker 3: which some guys just can't do if he's going to
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Speaker 3: be a head coach again.
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Speaker 2: But as an offensive coordinator, Listen, he challenged Josh Allen.
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Speaker 2: He coached him hard.
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Speaker 3: That's something we talked about on today's Inside the Birds podcast.
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Speaker 3: He challenged him and you saw how well that worked
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Speaker 3: out with Josh Allen. He is a good schemer. I
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Speaker 3: think he can come in here and probably be fine
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Speaker 3: with Stalton designing the run game. He's going to make
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Speaker 3: sure that the pass game with the quarterback athletic movements
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Speaker 3: are going to be a big part of what he does.
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Speaker 3: I think it's a perfect I just think that things
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Speaker 3: have to fall in place for the Eagles for this
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Speaker 3: to happen, and that would be a Dable doesn't get
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Speaker 3: a head coaching job or b there's a not another
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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator job that's gonna be as attractive, if not more.
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Speaker 2: To him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. He's getting head coaching interviews as well.
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Speaker 1: So the group that we have here, Dabele, let's say
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Speaker 1: he gets a head coaching job and McDaniel gets the
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Speaker 1: head coaching job. Josh Grizzard, Jim Bob Cooter, Mike Kafka,
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Speaker 1: Zach Robinson, Bobby Slowick, Charlie Weiss. Is that a group
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Speaker 1: that you take somebody from or do you have to
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Speaker 1: extend your net?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean they're definitely going to extend their net anyway.
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Speaker 3: But you know, to me, that's a preliminary group. The
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Speaker 3: guy that you sort of keep your eye on is
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Speaker 3: Cooter because he has a relationship with Nick Sirianni. He
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Speaker 3: was here in Philadelphia in twenty twenty one, then he
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Speaker 3: went and became the old Colts offensive coordinator. He has
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Speaker 3: called plays before, he did not call plays in Indianapolis
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Speaker 3: over the last I think there's two years right, because
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Speaker 3: Shane Steichen is calling plays, but he has called plays
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Speaker 3: at other spots. And if you're looking for someone, if
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Speaker 3: Nick serrian is looking for someone who can come in
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Speaker 3: here and be a proven play caller, has that experience,
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Speaker 3: has had some success, but will also align with the
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Speaker 3: core philosophies of what they want to do, then that
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Speaker 3: is a guy that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: All right, Jeff Boucher, I want to spend this to
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Speaker 1: something that I opened up today's show with and get
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Speaker 1: your take.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yep.
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Speaker 3: By the way, I just need to say, I know,
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Speaker 3: because you know how people interpret things.
17:37
Speaker 2: This is not me endorsing anything.
17:39
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I think Nick Sirianni should be in
17:41
Speaker 3: his comfort zone. I'm just telling you my sense of
17:44
Speaker 3: the situation talking to people and seeing how Nick has
17:47
Speaker 3: been reacting over the years.
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Speaker 2: So go ahead, all right.
17:50
Speaker 1: A couple things.
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Speaker 2: One.
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Speaker 1: I left this weekend highly disappointed in the Eagles defense.
17:56
Speaker 1: That was my takeaway from the weekend. You should this
18:00
Speaker 1: Seahawks shoved the Niners in a locker and took their
18:03
Speaker 1: lunch money. The fact that the Eagles listen their offense
18:07
Speaker 1: we knew all years stunk, so you know that that's
18:09
Speaker 1: going to be a challenge. They gave you the lead
18:12
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and the Eagles defense gave up
18:15
Speaker 1: two touchdowns on long drives in the fourth quarter at
18:19
Speaker 1: home with that offense, after watching them do what they
18:23
Speaker 1: couldn't they couldn't do anything against Seattle twice. That's where
18:27
Speaker 1: I'm disappointed out. But the Eagles offensive ineptitude basically gave
18:33
Speaker 1: the defense a pass fair or unfair. And the question
18:36
Speaker 1: off that is do I have to now reevaluate what
18:39
Speaker 1: I need to do this offense to that defense?
18:44
Speaker 3: Do have to do you have to Well, I mean
18:46
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter because you are reevaluating the offense, right,
18:49
Speaker 3: you're bringing in a new play caller.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about do I have to reevaluate what
18:53
Speaker 1: I You might go, Hey, the defense is pretty good.
18:55
Speaker 1: Do I have to do anything? You might have to
18:56
Speaker 1: look at that defense. No, I'll say I might have
18:59
Speaker 1: to get a defense isn't as good as I thought
19:01
Speaker 1: it was.
19:02
Speaker 3: I think that there are certain elements of the defense
19:04
Speaker 3: that will have to be looked at a little more closely,
19:07
Speaker 3: like the pass rush.
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Speaker 2: Because ye well he talked all offseason.
19:10
Speaker 1: If people didn't want to, you know, Miles Garrett blah
19:12
Speaker 1: blah blah, Miles Garrett led the league in sacked, He
19:14
Speaker 1: broke the record. Can you imagine that guy here or
19:17
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, like Jylex Hunt did not show up in
19:20
Speaker 1: the stat sheet in the game the other day. Nolan
19:22
Speaker 1: Smith was a disappointment this season. Let's be honest. Jalen
19:26
Speaker 1: Carter didn't have a great season. He ended up with
19:27
Speaker 1: a sack in the playoff game, but he has to
19:30
Speaker 1: be better. Jordan Davis, you have a big decision to
19:32
Speaker 1: make here. Then he got the Dean thing. You know,
19:35
Speaker 1: let Dean walk because you essentially said that Dean was
19:37
Speaker 1: so much better than Campbell that Campbell had no role.
19:41
Speaker 1: So you now that I let Dean walk out the door.
19:44
Speaker 1: They got a lot more questions, I think on defense
19:46
Speaker 1: than we all anticipated.
19:47
Speaker 3: I think those questions, though, are personnel related and can
19:51
Speaker 3: be added to and fixed.
19:52
Speaker 2: Whereas on offense, you're.
19:54
Speaker 3: You're you're really wondering, like, am I schematically not good anymore?
19:58
Speaker 3: Do I have to, like I said, take a do
20:01
Speaker 3: you have to gut this thing? Like, you know, am
20:03
Speaker 3: I just putting new kitchen cabinet faces on? Or am
20:06
Speaker 3: I taking a sledge hammer to the kitchen and modernizing myself?
20:09
Speaker 3: Whereas on defense, they have to look at it and say, Okay,
20:13
Speaker 3: can we bring in like a better number three pass
20:16
Speaker 3: rusher than like an Uce or brand, like someone who's younger,
20:20
Speaker 3: you know, can we add to that? I think that
20:23
Speaker 3: Carter will be fine because he's gonna probably undergo some
20:27
Speaker 3: procedures this offseason on his shoulders. I'm not reporting that,
20:30
Speaker 3: but you just I just think that he needs to
20:32
Speaker 3: be healthy.
20:33
Speaker 2: Davis still had Davis actually.
20:34
Speaker 3: Had a good game against the Niners, but his pass
20:37
Speaker 3: rush is coming along.
20:38
Speaker 1: But the question is are you willing to invest what
20:41
Speaker 1: you're going to have to invest in Davis to make
20:44
Speaker 1: him stay here or do you look?
20:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that I think you can't judge the
20:47
Speaker 3: defense off of one performance because they were pretty darn
20:51
Speaker 3: good for most of the year, whereas the offense has
20:54
Speaker 3: just been a steady crawl to the bottom for a
20:56
Speaker 3: couple of years.
20:57
Speaker 1: Can Read Blanketship be your best safety?
21:02
Speaker 2: Can he? Yes, he can be.
21:05
Speaker 3: He was their best safety when they won a Super Bowl, right,
21:07
Speaker 3: I mean, and was a playmaker, but with the responsibilities.
21:11
Speaker 1: Of playmaking at that position. Now reads a free agent.
21:15
Speaker 1: And do you say you have to have him back?
21:16
Speaker 1: When you say, you know what, we got to change
21:19
Speaker 1: our whole thought.
21:20
Speaker 2: He's not He's not irreplacable at all. Yeah, and mccooper
21:25
Speaker 2: will be back. I think they'll be okay there, Uh
21:27
Speaker 2: that that's fine. Tuning the offense is remodeling.
21:31
Speaker 1: Well. I wonder I only asked this way because as
21:34
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot of about a lot of that.
21:36
Speaker 1: But we got a lot of people watching right now
21:38
Speaker 1: that want to know this. Brown signed, my lot of signed.
21:42
Speaker 1: Dickerson signed, Jurgen signed, Steen signed, Dick Lane, what's gonna
21:48
Speaker 1: happen with him? DeVante signed, Barkley signed, Hurt sign. I
21:54
Speaker 1: don't know where you're gonna make a lot of changes
21:55
Speaker 1: on that offensive side other than the coordinator. So if
21:58
Speaker 1: you're gonna make changes, it's probably gonna have to be
22:00
Speaker 1: on the other side.
22:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, Coordinator changes obviously are expected to be big offensive line.
22:08
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to address depth there. You just mentioned
22:11
Speaker 3: Lane Johnson. You have to draft offensive alignment high, which
22:14
Speaker 3: the Eagles tend to do anyway, even if they don't
22:17
Speaker 3: automatically start.
22:18
Speaker 2: But there is talent there.
22:19
Speaker 3: So that's why I feel like the new play caller,
22:22
Speaker 3: combined with what we expect to be better health or
22:24
Speaker 3: at least better depth up front, should make that offense
22:28
Speaker 3: click again. Right, they'll gotta score thirty points a game.
22:31
Speaker 3: If they got to like twenty four, I think that
22:33
Speaker 3: they would be good.
22:33
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying. So you're probably not gonna
22:36
Speaker 1: make a lot of changes to your offense other than
22:39
Speaker 1: they're just the coordinator.
22:41
Speaker 3: Other than and we'll see what happens with AJ Brown,
22:43
Speaker 3: that would be a pretty well And I would say this,
22:45
Speaker 3: I think I heard you saying this last week, and
22:48
Speaker 3: I agree, Like they really.
22:50
Speaker 2: Really need a true slot receiver, yes Brought.
22:55
Speaker 3: They've kind of gotten away with Goddard being a flex slot,
22:58
Speaker 3: but they need both a flex tight end and a
23:01
Speaker 3: slot receiver. You know, they missed on Anaya Smith a
23:04
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, and that that hurt because that
23:07
Speaker 3: was a vintage guy who could be a slot receiver.
23:10
Speaker 3: I don't know that Darius Cooper is a slot receiver,
23:13
Speaker 3: and he might be your your one, your your next
23:15
Speaker 3: guy if AJ Brown's out the door, But they really
23:17
Speaker 3: do need somebody to be If they're especially going to
23:20
Speaker 3: bring in an offensive coordinator who's known for working the
23:23
Speaker 3: middle of the field, then they're gonna need better weaponry
23:26
Speaker 3: to use over the middle of the field.
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Speaker 1: All right, you mentioned AJ Brown. We'll talk more about
23:30
Speaker 1: that Wednesday and some of the other stuff that's going
23:33
Speaker 1: on around this team. There's never a drama around this
23:35
Speaker 1: team that we can talk about in the offseason.
23:37
Speaker 2: Right No, never, never, never.
23:39
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24:01
Speaker 2: Thanks man, Hey, Mike, real quick, real quick? How long
24:03
Speaker 2: do you think we will go before ever.
24:04
Speaker 3: Seeing a play like the Bears game tying touchdown Sunday night?
24:08
Speaker 1: Again, I'm telling you he reminds me of Michael Vick.
24:12
Speaker 1: Just flicks that thing I mean off the back foot
24:14
Speaker 1: getting chased around playground style, and grows forty five yards
24:19
Speaker 1: in the air like that. It's unbelievable.
24:21
Speaker 2: I maybe six feet under before play like that ever
24:23
Speaker 2: happens again. I'll see you about