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What hitters should the Twins target in free agency? Here's our list · Twin Cities Territory

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  Speaker 1: The Twins have a new pitching coach. Brooks Lee is
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  Speaker 1: a Gold Glove finalist. The Brewers are definitely in the
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  Speaker 1: World Series. Guardians Rays continue their ALCS tonight. All that
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  Speaker 1: coming up today on Twin Cities Territory, your Minnesota Twins podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Here on the Foul Territory Network, Zach Pearson, Dan Hayes
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  Speaker 1: of The Athletic, joined by Tyler Duffy, longtime major leaguer.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to start today, though, continuing our free agent week.
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  Speaker 1: On Monday, we looked at some free agent pitchers that
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  Speaker 1: we thought would fit the Twins. We focused a lot.
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  Speaker 1: We focused entirely, I should say, on the bullpen. I
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  Speaker 1: did want to pause and make a note. We glossed
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  Speaker 1: over the starting rotation, not because it's perfect. I think
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  Speaker 1: everybody could always use more starting pitching and be happy
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  Speaker 1: with that, but I think the assessment in our eyes
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  Speaker 1: is that the Twins are going to look at it
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  Speaker 1: as we like what we have going into spring training.
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  Speaker 1: Is that fair, Dan? It's not the place to spend money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is weird. They're in a strange spot with
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  Speaker 2: those four guys having essentially one year left before free agency.
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  Speaker 2: But behind them, you have a bunch of younger guys
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  Speaker 2: with team control, Tosh Bradley, McCable, Connor Prelip. You look
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  Speaker 2: at that group and Debbie Matthews, you look at that
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  Speaker 2: group and could they be better? Yeah, absolutely. They could
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  Speaker 2: be better. There's no question. But because you have Joe Ryan,
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  Speaker 2: Pablo Lopez, Dean Kramer, and Bailey Ober all on four
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  Speaker 2: one-year deals, essentially, you know, I would think they would
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  Speaker 2: have to be creative and look at trading those guys
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  Speaker 2: before they would address it via free agency. Is it possible?
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  Speaker 2: Of course it is. There's no question because we saw
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  Speaker 2: it happen in the 2022 lockout. When we came back,
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  Speaker 2: Sonny Gray got traded with one year left on his
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  Speaker 2: deal from the Reds to the Twins. It's a possibility
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  Speaker 2: without question that they could move some of those guys
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  Speaker 2: and then you would potentially address in free agency. But
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  Speaker 2: Just looking at the big picture and how they're going
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  Speaker 2: to do this, I don't know that they would put
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  Speaker 2: themselves in that spot without having a bunch of trades
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  Speaker 2: lined up. And that's going to have a big, fat,
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  Speaker 2: blocked window when December 1 hits and we go to
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  Speaker 2: a lockout. So then it's like– All of the offseason
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  Speaker 2: essentially happens in March. That's how it happened last time.
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  Speaker 2: It was chaotic. We saw a ton of trades. Tyler
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  Speaker 2: got some new teammates real quick. He lost Josh Donaldson.
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  Speaker 2: He gained Gary Sanchez and Gio Urshela overnight. He lost
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  Speaker 2: Mitch Garver.
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  Speaker 3: It's wild times.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they gained Carlos Correa. All in like
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  Speaker 2: a three. Yeah, current free agent Mitch Garver. Um, so,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, I, I think starting pitching definitely is on
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  Speaker 2: the back burner the way they're looking at the plans
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  Speaker 2: because they got to figure out other ways to address
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  Speaker 2: this that are, don't have as much depth that are, are, um, and,
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  Speaker 2: and are easier to, to address by going out and
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  Speaker 2: spending money or making a trade.
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  Speaker 1: And nothing ever goes to plan of course, but they're,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to go into the season thinking they've got
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  Speaker 1: three all-stars at the top of the rotation. Um, Whether
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  Speaker 1: that turns out to be the case, obviously we shall see.
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  Speaker 2: Pablo coming back from a second Tommy John, the book's
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  Speaker 2: out the window. You trust that he is a workout
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  Speaker 2: machine because that man is so on top of it.
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  Speaker 2: He knows everything about himself and how to prepare, but
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  Speaker 2: he's come back from a second Tommy John. So you
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  Speaker 2: really don't know when's that scar tissue going to break.
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  Speaker 2: How is it going to go pitching through that? I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that you can count on him being maybe
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  Speaker 2: 70 percentile.
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  Speaker 4: Of what he really is. What is he going to
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  Speaker 4: have as a runway? There's just so many what-ifs with
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  Speaker 4: that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: There very much is. You don't know, but you certainly
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  Speaker 2: can feel pretty good about going in with Joe Ryan,
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  Speaker 2: even though he had his second half issues yet again
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  Speaker 2: this year. And Taj Bradley at the top, and then
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  Speaker 2: you saw what Kramer did with the Twins. He had
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  Speaker 2: a 380 ERA in his 9 or 10 starts, and
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  Speaker 2: they think he's the guy that's more like a 380
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  Speaker 2: to 4 ERA than the 6-something that they acquired from
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  Speaker 2: the Orioles. Just look around, and I think there's reason
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  Speaker 2: why they can look at that group and at least
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  Speaker 2: feel pretty stable going in because there's young depth behind
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  Speaker 2: it with Zebby, with Prelip, with Abel who has to
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  Speaker 2: show he's healthy. But, man, he looked really promising yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: going into the, before he got hurt, Mick Abel looked
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  Speaker 2: really promising. It's a solid group, and I can understand
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  Speaker 2: why it wouldn't be a direct focus.
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  Speaker 1: All right. With that, we'll get on to the hitters
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  Speaker 1: portion of the discussion. Just a reminder, as always, if
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  Speaker 1: there's a QR code on the screen to make that
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  Speaker 1: super easy for you right there. When you look at
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  Speaker 1: The twins in the field, or just the position players,
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  Speaker 1: the outfield is crowded. We've got Byron Buxton. We've got
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  Speaker 1: Walker Jenkins, Manuel Rodriguez. Trevor Larnik is still here. Matt
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  Speaker 1: Walters in AAA.
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  Speaker 2: Who am I forgetting?
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  Speaker 1: Luke Kieschel, of course, in right field. Obviously, there are
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  Speaker 1: players out there who are better than those players who
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  Speaker 1: will be available, but I think the Twins' future is
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  Speaker 1: obviously pretty well set in developing those youngsters there. Across
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  Speaker 1: the infield, you have Brooks Lee, who is now a
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  Speaker 1: Gold Glove finalist at third base. We'll talk about that
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  Speaker 1: a little bit later. Kaelin Culpepper at shortstop. Second base
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  Speaker 1: and first base are maybe a little bit in flex.
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  Speaker 1: Cody Clemons, Royce Lewis sharing some time there along with
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  Speaker 1: some others. The big spots where there seem to be needs.
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  Speaker 2: Urgent needs.
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  Speaker 1: To address our first base, where Royce Lewis just did
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  Speaker 1: not produce enough to be the everyday first baseman going forward,
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  Speaker 1: at least unless he can find another gear. DH, where
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  Speaker 1: Josh Bell carries a $ 10 million mutual option, I believe
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  Speaker 1: it is, for this year and doesn't seem likely to
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  Speaker 1: be back. And Ketcher, where unless you're going to re-sign
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Jeffers, there's going to be a hole there because
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  Speaker 1: Von Lackey's not going to be ready on March 1st
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  Speaker 1: or whenever the season starts. gets going. I guess March
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  Speaker 1: 1st wouldn't be the date that the first game would happen,
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  Speaker 1: but you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Optimistic, right?
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  Speaker 2: Optimistic, right?
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  Speaker 1: So those seem to be the areas of focus. It's
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  Speaker 1: where I think all three of us were drawn to
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  Speaker 1: as we were looking at some of these options. First
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  Speaker 1: base and DH most clearing. I think DH is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: keep in mind that I'm sure part of the plan
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  Speaker 1: is to keep some at-bats there warm for Buxton when
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  Speaker 1: they want to give him a break in the field, ideally.
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  Speaker 1: But certainly those are the three spots we're looking at
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  Speaker 1: the most. And Dan, we'll start with you. Who's a
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  Speaker 1: name that jumps out?
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  Speaker 2: My number one target would be Ryan Jeffers. So he's
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  Speaker 2: a 29-year-old catcher. I've heard of him. He's been out there.
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  Speaker 2: He had a pretty good year. But I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of teams targeting and catching will think Ryan Jeffers
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  Speaker 2: is their number one target. I just don't see the Twins–
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  Speaker 2: Getting in the five-year game for him, he's 29, he
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  Speaker 2: turns 30 in June, and I think five years is
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  Speaker 2: a realistic option for him. Somebody will do it. We've
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  Speaker 2: seen other teams go after JT, Real Muto, Will Smith
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  Speaker 2: got a 10-year contract extension from the Dodgers. Teams are
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  Speaker 2: not afraid to go five years when the catcher is
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  Speaker 2: an offensive upside guy, and that's what Ryan Jeffers is.
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  Speaker 2: You look at what he's done the last couple of
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  Speaker 2: years and He really seemed to put it together this
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  Speaker 2: year after going more for contact last year and putting
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  Speaker 2: together a really nice 2025 season. But he definitely just
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  Speaker 2: took it up a level in 2026, heading into free agency.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't see the Twins competing in that market.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know where you go. I mean, do
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  Speaker 2: you slide Royce Lewis to second where he would be
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  Speaker 2: probably a better defensive fit for a full season than
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  Speaker 2: Cody Clemens and then get a first baseman? That ideally
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  Speaker 2: to me is the spot. I like Jake Bowers. The
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  Speaker 2: problem is that's another left-handed bat. And I really think
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  Speaker 2: this team needs right-handed dump. But Jake Bowers, when you
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  Speaker 2: look at everything that's out there, is probably the guy
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  Speaker 2: that is the youngest that can come in and play
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  Speaker 2: significant enough playing time. Because I know you guys are
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  Speaker 2: going to bring up an older guy who can be
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  Speaker 2: a very good fit for this team. in a minute,
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  Speaker 2: but Bowers is 30. He runs. He runs well. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's been running the last three years. I think
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  Speaker 2: he had 52 stolen bases over the three years for
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  Speaker 2: the Brewers. It may have been 30. I can't look
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  Speaker 2: it up in a minute here, but Bowers clearly can
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  Speaker 2: have good at bats. Okay, so his career was 50-something,
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  Speaker 2: and he's had 30-plus of them with the Brewers. You
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  Speaker 2: could just mix him in. He fits in that mold
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  Speaker 2: where you're looking for athletic guys. He's got pop. We've
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  Speaker 2: seen it the last couple of days. He puts together
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  Speaker 2: good at bats. Great at bats. You know, he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be the name that everybody talks about because of
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  Speaker 2: this postseason he's putting together. He was a good fit
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the year. Problem is, is definitely
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  Speaker 2: he is a durability issue guy. I think when the
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  Speaker 2: twins played them in August, he was dealing with a
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff this year. It's limited his time
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  Speaker 2: in the field, but you know, That's not really who
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  Speaker 2: I want. My real target's a trade target. We'll jump
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  Speaker 2: in that in a minute. But uh as a free
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  Speaker 2: agent goes i i think that jake bowers would be
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  Speaker 2: um a pretty solid uh get for this.
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  Speaker 1: Lineup be a big swing for sure uh can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: that'll be cheap especially after that at bat Last night,
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  Speaker 1: Mickey had one. Didn't he have a great one in
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  Speaker 1: game two, too, where it went like 12 pitches?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, both 11-pitcher bats. He pimped that, too, last night.
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  Speaker 4: Any ball that far back in that stadium, that ball
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  Speaker 4: was hit.
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  Speaker 3: That's way back.
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  Speaker 2: I think we can do a show on places that
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  Speaker 2: it feels the best to hit a home run in
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  Speaker 2: to quiet that opposing crowd. I would have to think
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  Speaker 2: Dodger Stadium. To hit it that far up the bleachers
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  Speaker 2: at Dodger Stadium, which is hard to get it out in,
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  Speaker 2: that might be one of the top places because that
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  Speaker 2: crowd is loud at all times. Their stadium production team
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  Speaker 2: makes it obnoxious with constant noise. But it creates this
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  Speaker 2: incredible environment and a place that is one of those,
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  Speaker 2: when you do it there, you know you can do
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  Speaker 2: it anywhere kind of thing. That was a great moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was sick.
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  Speaker 1: So Dan went for the big fish right off the
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  Speaker 1: bat with Jake Bowers.
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  Speaker 2: That would be great.
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  Speaker 1: I also, I think I set my sights lower going
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  Speaker 1: through this exercise, but Since we ended up at first base,
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  Speaker 1: let's stick there.
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  Speaker 2: You're right.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll come back to Ketcher at the end. But Tyler,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, let's hear from you. Who do you think
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  Speaker 1: in that first base DH category?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I threw out some. And to Dan's point, there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of lefties. But the guy whose photo is
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  Speaker 4: right up there– sorry, over there. Did it twice wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Paul Goldschmidt, he's a guy– his name didn't immediately register,
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  Speaker 4: but then once I heard it, I said, that's the,
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  Speaker 4: that's the Josh Bell replacement. Kind of like Dan mentioned,
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  Speaker 4: he's got a, you know, Josh has got, I think
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  Speaker 4: he said $ 10 million option, which is very expensive for
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  Speaker 4: a DH who can't really do anything on the field
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  Speaker 4: for you. And Goldie's a guy who he's proven he's
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  Speaker 4: the literal, the ultimate veteran, you know, hall of fame
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  Speaker 4: candidate type player. And he's serviceable at first base and,
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  Speaker 4: He can help these young guys that are coming into
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  Speaker 4: their own and learn the game and how he attacks hitters.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the guy, you know, he won an MVP.
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  Speaker 4: He's played in New York now. He's done it under
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  Speaker 4: the brightest of lights. Like, he's kind of checked every
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  Speaker 4: box you can, and he's not going to carry that
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  Speaker 4: huge premium price tag, I would think. And that's right
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  Speaker 4: up the twin's alley. It's an easy addition. You know
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  Speaker 4: you're going to get no issues with him. Um, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you're just saying to keep them on the field is
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  Speaker 4: going to be all you're really going to have to do.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's, I think he's 39. Um, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's getting.
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  Speaker 4: Up there and like you said, uh, you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: maybe we'll have a Jim Tomey run 2.0 here and
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  Speaker 4: then he can show up and, you know, bring back
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  Speaker 4: that 35 Homer season.
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  Speaker 3: For us and, uh, right.
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  Speaker 1: Some right-handed slug. I, you know, he had a, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he had a fine year for being 38 years old. Um,
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  Speaker 1: 111 OPS plus but do you know who else had
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  Speaker 1: a had a pretty decent age 38 season and then
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  Speaker 1: an amazing age 39 season was Jim Tomey when the
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  Speaker 1: twins signed him at the same age and he uh
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  Speaker 1: lit up that first season at in target field at
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  Speaker 1: 2010 must.
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  Speaker 2: Have been the hot dish must have been the hot
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  Speaker 2: dish but here's here's the thing I like about Goldschmidt
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  Speaker 2: 623 innings at first base this year and he was
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  Speaker 2: valued at two defensive runs saved, which is, that's.
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  Speaker 3: That's the one thing that Josh Bell was missing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I feel like you, you kind of take care
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  Speaker 1: of both first base and DH with that one move,
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  Speaker 1: like him and Buxton splitting DH and him and whoever
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  Speaker 1: playing at first when he needs a day off from that.
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  Speaker 1: So that could be a way to kind of two birds,
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  Speaker 1: one stone. He was a lot cheaper than Josh Bell
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  Speaker 1: last year. Didn't produce quite as much as Bell did, but,
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  Speaker 1: Is he worth a chance that, you know, like he
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  Speaker 1: finds the same target field magic as Jim.
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  Speaker 3: Toney, which I know. Does he want to play in Minnesota?
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  Speaker 2: Does he want to play? Hey, the, the way you
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  Speaker 2: solve that, the guy I like, if, okay, look, all
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  Speaker 2: the checkbook has been thrown out the window.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: We're, we're in law.
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  Speaker 1: I noticed that earlier in the show.
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  Speaker 2: I want, I want Raphael Devers. I want, I want
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  Speaker 2: a consistent run producer for this lineup. Rafael Devers, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: is owed seven years and $ 211 million from San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: He turns 30 in about nine days. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: October 24th is his 30th birthday. So that contract runs
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  Speaker 2: until he's 35, 36, and 37 years old, which is
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  Speaker 2: not ideal. I'm not going to sit there and say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, I guess he'll be 34, 35, and
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  Speaker 2: 36 in those last three years. of his contract, but
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  Speaker 2: still not ideal that you'd be giving him $ 29. 5 million
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  Speaker 2: in those last three years. But he is the run
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  Speaker 2: producer that is potentially the kind of guy that you
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  Speaker 2: put in the middle lineup, you pencil him in, you
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  Speaker 2: see like a Pete Alonzo type, what he got and
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  Speaker 2: what he did for Baltimore this year. Those guys– I
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  Speaker 2: think the RBI has been devalued by analytics. There's no
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  Speaker 2: question about it. It's still a skill. Driving runs in
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  Speaker 2: is a skill. Devers is good at it. The kind
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  Speaker 2: of year he did, I think he ended up with
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  Speaker 2: 33 home runs this year in San Francisco. He did
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  Speaker 2: that in San Francisco. It's a tough place to hit
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  Speaker 2: home runs. He became the Giants' first 30 home run hitter,
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  Speaker 2: I believe. I'm almost positive that it was since Barry Bonds.
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  Speaker 3: It had been a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, he, I'm sorry, he hit 37.
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  Speaker 2: Now the thing you're trying to capitalize on is San
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  Speaker 2: Francisco is an absolute mess. They have a bunch of
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: bloated contracts on the books between Willie Adamas, Matt Chapman, Devers,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: you know, there's, there's more out there and they're trying
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: to move on from some of those guys. Can you
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: convince San Francisco to eat a decent amount of that money,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: you know, and, and, and then trade for him. Um,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would think that San Francisco is– the
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: way he finished, I think they're less inclined to move him.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: He had a really strong finish this season, and there
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: was a lot of talk about his leadership. But they
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: do have Bryce Eldridge ready to step in at first
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: base right now, and he looks like he is an
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: everyday stud, a future MVP guy. They'll find other spots
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: for Eldridge, but Eldridge could fit very easily at first
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: base for them. Can you convince them with a nice
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: prospect and willing to take 70% of that money? I
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: don't know how much. I don't know realistically what it
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: looks like because, man, it's a big contract, $ 211 million
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: for seven years.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: As you're watching these playoffs unfold and three of the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: four final teams in it are not teams that are
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: sitting on a ton of killer contracts down the line.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: It's been an eye-opening postseason for that reason. I know
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: everyone is frustrated because With the lack of spending, but
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: don't do it in the wrong way either.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: You can end up like a giant. Devers, you're bringing
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: in a guy who is postseason experienced. If you can
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: do that, you know, got 303 postseason career average, hit
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: a few home runs in that. Again, this is just like,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: this is spitballing. There's no, this is not, we've had
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: discussions with the twins about this. I'm just saying, if
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I was looking at the twins, that's, I want that
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: run producer. I just, I feel like I look at
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: what Nelson Cruz was able to do and what the
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: twins were able to accomplish with Nelson Cruz.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: And that's a benchmark that everyone has. It's like Nelly
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: showed up, got paid to hit and did it. And
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: it's like, that's kind of the litmus, the bar that's
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: been set for those guys now.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: It was incredible. No, it was.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: No, no, it wasn't. It was on an affordable contract.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. When they got Nelson Cruz, they got
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: him on the two-year deal or the one year plus
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: an option and then re-signed him for a third year
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: and traded him at the end of that third year
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: for Joe Ryan. So, I mean, that went about as
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: perfectly as anything can go. But I don't know that
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that's in the cards here. It's just the name I
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: look at and go, man, I'd really love that. You
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: had one like that, Duff. You had a suggestion similar,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: like make a trade.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, Mr.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Naylor out in Seattle?
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I love.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Well, one, I was misled by someone's article or whatever
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I read telling me he was a free agent.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Got my hopes up.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: But then, no, he's under contract, which means that money
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: is staying where it is, can manipulate it however such,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: but I see him as.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: A guy, like an Eddie Rosario-esque.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: The other teams cannot stand to see the guy do well.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: He gets the boys fired up. He's having fun. This year,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: I guess he's figured something out. Maybe he's been a
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: speedy guy the whole time. We just didn't know it.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: He's stealing bags. He's hitting homers. He's letting the other
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: guy know he got him. And I think that's something that,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Whether you like it or not, it's great to have
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: in a locker room. Like I said, it brings an
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: energy that you can't fake, frankly. Some guys try to
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: rah-rah and get themselves going and things like that, and
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: he is full tilt. We used to have a coach
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: that called it white line fever. Once you get on
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: that baseball field, some of these guys switch flips, and
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I think he's one of those guys. I've always loved
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: competing against him. When he gets you, it sucks. But
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: at the same time, it's like, dude, he's out there
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: having a ball trying to win baseball games.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: And I've never played with him. I played against him
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: a lot in Cleveland, obviously.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: I remember when he came up and the first time
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: when he got hurt, it was one of those horrible things.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: And to see him, he's had to work to get
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: back to it, had a decent year this year. And again,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: it's the slug, it's the energy, it's the things like that.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: He's a guy, I think, that could somehow come to us,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: you know, instead of Dan's pipe dream of Devers, um,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: you know, and, um, I think he's a little more tangible, um,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: you know, between him and I, the other guy I
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: like is, uh, Ty France. Granted, he's having a great
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: year and it's going to be hard to get him
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: to leave San Diego.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Um, assuming they give him some sort of, I do
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: want to say it again, but, um, Yeah, you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: it's fun.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: But he was a guy they had in-house already. You know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: he had a good season with us.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Was it two years?
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly how long he was there. But,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: you know, he's another guy. And I liked France because
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: he's the righty. I keep in my head, it's like,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: we need the righty bats. We've got a dozen lefties.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: We've got to mix it up a little bit. And
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: that's the big thing. It's going to be the righty
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: that's available that I think will make the most impact,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: whoever that ends up being.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Naylor had a little bit of a down offensive season,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: but he's hitting in a place where lefties go to
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: die in Seattle at T-Mobile Park. That's just the hardest
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: right field. He performed well for them the year before
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: during their run. He had that story come out this year.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: He had that story where he played a prank on
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: a minor leaguer teammate and it was like a stone Garrett.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: And it was like a prank with a steak knife
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: and the pitcher got a hand or something.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: So, so like given how Seattle finished the year and
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Seattle had such an ugly season and disappointing season, Maybe
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: they would break it up. He's got four years and
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: $ 81. 5 million left on his contract. So that definitely fits.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe if Seattle's looking to shake things up. Because I
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be afraid of him coming to Target Field and
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: hitting there. He's familiar with the division. He's from Toronto.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: He's a cold weather guy. He grew up in cold weather.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I love that. I love guys that have experienced the
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: climate and aren't afraid of it. He certainly isn't. He
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: played in Cleveland. If you can convince them, yeah, that's
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: not bad.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: You can survive that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Cleveland's very nice.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I'm kidding.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: If you bring in a first baseman, sign, trade, however,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it seems like it creates a problem for either Royce
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Lewis or Cody Clemens getting playing time.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Cody Clemens could be a utility guy. Cody Clemens plays outfield.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: He plays second base. He plays first base. I don't
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: think a left-handed first baseman would create some issues, I think,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: for Cody Clemens.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Because Royce Lewis is then playing second base every day,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: which I think maybe he's probably a better fit defensively
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: at second base than Cody Clemens was. He's definitely a
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: little more athletic, but he looked pretty good at first.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: it really is a quandary what they're going to do
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: over there. Like Cody Clemens has some leadership qualities that
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the twins do love. And he had a lot of
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: big home runs at the right time. So he also
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: slowed down. Like he ended up being right around a average,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: just a tick above average offensively this season. But he's,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: you know, shown you a lot for a guy that
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you basically claimed ended up at 109 OPS plus Cody Clemens.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Like he, You wish that Royce Lewis' bat was more
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: like Cody Clemens, and then you could just say, hey,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: we're going to make Royce Lewis our second baseman. It
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: really is not an easy answer, like what you were saying, Zach.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: But it seems like first base, second base catchers, the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: places where they do try to fix this team.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: The first baseman and DH free agent lists are not
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: very long. So there's going to be competition for Bowers,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: for France, for Goldschmidt. Really the only DH... who has
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: popped in recent years, George Springer. Luis Uriah is also
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: a free agent to be, yes. And as much as
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Twins fans would love to see that, with his defensive limitations,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I just don't know.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: And he had a good year working with Ron Washington
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: at second base. But he does get hurt. That's a
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: constant for him. He got hurt again at the end
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: of this season. He always seems to have an ankle problem.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: foot issue towards the end of the year that's happened
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: at least three times I can think of. And the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: slug is not there, but he would be a pretty
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: fantastic guy to put in front of or right after.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: What if you went Keishel Buxton?
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Put him behind the power guy, I think would be
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: the move.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd be certainly someone that would catch... the attention
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: of twins fans. I don't know if it would fix
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: what they're looking for, but it would just be adding
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: another good hitter to the lineup. So I don't, these
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: are decisions. I'm really glad that I don't have to make.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I just get to talk about it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Tyler always says it like this.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: It's fun to play GM. It's not fun to be GM.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know. I don't know if it's fun
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: to play GM. I've stressed about picking out these stupid,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: like the damn free agent names. The last two shows, uh,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I have not enjoyed this at all. It's like been
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: like last minute, like, Hey, I got to look at
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: like 60 names real quick and try to get excited.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: You see one, you're like, Ooh, him. And then it's like, wait,
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: everyone else also wants that guy.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I like Brandon Lowe also second baseman with 31
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: homers in Pittsburgh. He's hit 39 before he's a really,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: he's been a really consistent performer throughout his career. Um,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: he's a guy, but he's left-handed too. Like I, it
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: just feels like everybody's left.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: It's like everyone is.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: How did that happen? How did it happen?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Going back to catcher, um, Ryan Jeffers, the top catcher
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: on the market by far. If we, if we assume, yep.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: If we assume the twins aren't going to pay up, uh,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: for five years of, and by the way, not just
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: assuming they're not going to pay up. I don't know
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: if it makes sense for them to pay up as
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: we've talked about given, um, you know, the cost that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it will take, the term it'll take, and the fact
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that Von Lackey, they hope, is the future at the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: position in a couple of years. So obviously it wouldn't
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: make sense for them to give the same kind of
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: deal to another catcher either. You have Victor Caratini, who
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: defensively is every bit as good as Jeffers, a bit
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: of an offensive downgrade. What do you think, Dan, makes
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: sense to address what is likely to be a hole
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: after Jeffers leaves?
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the next best catcher that's out there is Tyler Stevenson,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and he's in that same ilk as Jeffers where he's 29.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: He's going to get five years or he'll get a
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: longer contract because he is– on his career, he's been
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit above average offensively. So he's going to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: be an attractive option number two for whatever team doesn't
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: get Jeffers. He's good at blocking, not great with caught stealing. Framing,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: not great. His throw to second is not great. When
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I looked at it, the name I like, and it's
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: not going to be anybody that gets you offense, but
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I like Austin Hedges a lot. I like a guy
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: like that who has handled Cleveland staff and thrived in
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Cleveland since going over there. He's older. He's 34. He
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: would definitely be a guy that could split time, but
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: he is your catcher, leader behind the dish and brings
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: you the value that way. You look for offense in
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: other spots. He had a decent year offensively. He was
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit below average on the season, but Austin
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Hedges to me would be a guy that could step
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: in and provide leadership qualities at catcher and pair, know
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: that he comes in and pairs nicely with Victor Caratini. But,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: you know, that 702 OPS was just a tick below
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: the league average. I think he was like a 99
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: OPS plus guy. Clearly it's one of his best seasons,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: and it happens right as he's going into free agency.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: He's 34.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a long-term deal, but I just think
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the value he brings as a guy who knows the
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: division would be very good.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that one. That reminds me of when
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: we got Jimenez.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Just come in, wrangle all the young guys, play your
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: day games, whatever, but it's having those brains around the
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: clubhouse and the energy. Sometimes it's just something you can't teach,
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: and he's definitely got it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: There's always Mitch Garber. 36 years old.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: He's got power games in Mitch Garber's.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Very far removed from his, uh, his, his best times
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: with the twins. But, uh, certainly, uh, we love a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: good homecoming, don't we?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Power hitting. He's not, he only caught, Garver only caught
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: 36 games this year. He just hasn't been able to
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: handle workload behind the dish the way he used to.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: It's funny because, yeah, yeah, he's, he's caught, uh, a
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: hundred games over the last three seasons. Yeah. So it's,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: you know, we're, we're long removed from his days of
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: being an effective.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Reaching a little bit there.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Fair enough.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Well, he was behind Cal Raleigh. So like he was
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: basically the backup.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: You know, he wasn't their starter. So it's like a
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: grain of salt.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Well, there you have it. I can't wait to see
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: how all of those predictions turn out to not. actually
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: happen but if any of them do we will not
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: let you hear the end of it i'm sure but
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: um we had some news this week which is nice
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: uh brian reef aimed the new twins pitching coach dan
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: uh wrote all about it on the athletic he comes
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: to us from tampa bay where he was their minor
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: league pitching coach uh and he will now be the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: uh the twins pitching coach guy i went to uh
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I'd never heard of him, I have to admit. I
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: went to Google to try to find out more. And
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: when I Googled him, I learned that he is also
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: better known as B-Reef and is a Christian hip-hop pop
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: singer and rapper, a Christian hip-hop sensation, who began his
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: musical career with the release of his first album, Urgent Message,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: in 2003. That is obviously not the Twins pitching coach.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: That is a different Brian Reif who... Are we sure?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: We have never seen them in the same... place at
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the same time.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. They're only a year apart in age. He
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: reached there at 47 and Brian Reith, the pitching coach,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: is 48.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: But safe to say that if by the end of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: his Twins tenure, whenever that is, if he replaces that
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Brian Reith as the new primary Brian Reith on Google,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: it will either be very good or very bad for
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the Twins. But anyway, since Google was of little help, Dan,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: tell us more about Brian Reith.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Played for the Cincinnati Reds, about 73 appearances over the
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: 2001 to 2004 seasons. Sixth round pick in 1996. So
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: he's got the playing experience. I feel like that was
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: something that Derek Shelton was kind of aiming for, was
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: a guy who's been out there and at least knows
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: what it's like to take a mound. And then went
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and spent the last 12 seasons with the Rays. He
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: joined the Rays in 2015 as a short A player.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: season pitching coach. He did three years of that, moved
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: up to single A, was supposed to go to double
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: A in the pandemic year, obviously that got wiped out.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: But then in 2021, got a really cool opportunity to
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: go to the majors as a pitching development, they call
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: it pitching development fellow, which meant he was part of
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the major league staff. And what I liked hearing from
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: him about that specifically was what that experience showed him,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: because he got to be around Kyle Snyder, who is
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: obviously the legendary Rays pitching coach at this point. He's
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: been there for a long time and done a lot
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: of great things for that organization over the years. But
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: he said he learned by watching that staff and how
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: it interacts with players. And it gave him a lot
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: more confidence in how to handle guys himself. And he
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: took it back to AAA the last five years and
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: really learned how to connect with guys across the entire spectrum.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: And I think he said when he started being a
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: pitching coach, at first it was guys like him he
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: could connect with and he wasn't sure how to do
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: it with others. And he's learned that and he's gotten
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: better at it over the years. But mostly, you know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: you think about, and Duffy, you can talk about it,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: but stealing from the organizations that do it best. And
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: he's been in Tampa Bay. He's been immersed in that culture.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: for 12 years. He worked with Josh Koch, one of
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: the twins assistant general managers, who is the pitching guru
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: for the organization. He worked with him for three years,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: said that that work opened up his eyes to all
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: kinds of things about pitch shapes and data and technology
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: and how to use it all. And he's had five
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: years to implement that along with having learned how to
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: kind of deal with major league guys. And he said,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: honesty is one of the best things he said, regardless of,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: if the player wants to hear it or not, I'm
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: honest with them. And he thinks that's what's helped him.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of that came from 2021, also
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: his own playing career, just knowing what works for him.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And here he is ready to kind of take that leap.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: He's 48 and you never know with these things, but
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, that pedigree coming from the Rays
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: and a dozen years there is not a bad place
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: to start.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: It was very fast. It's been like two weeks since
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: they announced Mackey.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm not kidding. I checked with somebody on Thursday
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: last week, or maybe it was during one of the
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: two White Sox playoff games I was covering. I checked
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: in just to see how the process was going, and
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: there had not been a lot of movement. Obviously, it's
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: one of the few things that was going to happen
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: in October or November, and it did come along very quickly.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: It takes us twice as long to hire an intern here.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised they got that done in two weeks but
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: like there's no i don't know that there is any
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: such thing as a sexy pitching coach hire um i
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: mean no but like do you do you do we
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: have any sense of like was there did they have
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: him picked out already kind of do we think or.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I think they had a list they always have a
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: list yeah they they.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Have a target list i mean you have josh caulk
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: um you have this group that wants to get better
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: at pitching and knows kind of guys who ideally would
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: fit within their, you know, their belief system, their philosophy.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: And so there's no way they had just one guy
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: and went after one guy. That's not how it works.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, especially, but I do think familiarity with guys helps.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: He worked with Taj Bradley a lot at AAA.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I checked people. Did he work with
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Joe for that matter too?
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: No.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Briefly at Bowling Green, it looked like four starts for
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Joe Bowling Green in 2019. So different Joe Ryan, different him.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Younger guy for himself. But when you go out there
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and you start with the list and you just vet
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: and vet and vet. And I'm sure he was at
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the top of their list. I wouldn't be shocked if
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: that was the case. He's AAA pitching coach for the Rays.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I think we're top five in over the last five
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: years and whip strikeouts, um, ERA and something else. Another stat. They,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: they were solid. I wrote that in my story. So
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: good stuff. Wow.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: They were good at stuff.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Uh, but hashtag, uh, like I think the.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Philosophy stuff, plus lining their stuff.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Plus what, what are you like? like what, what do
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: you think? Um, cause I, I, by the way, I
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: even texted Kyle Gibson who got four starts with him
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: and that it was the end of career. Kyle Gibson,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: you've been released by Baltimore and his direct quote was.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Um, let me find it.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: He said, he basically said, here, let me find it here.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: He said, uh, he's the first class individual, but he said, um, he's,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: he has an incredible understanding of how to see analytics, uh,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: how to use analytics, the best set up a picture
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: for success. He understands delivery well also, and will be
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: a huge asset as the twins keep developing pitching. So
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: the twins identified him as a guy that connects well
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: with players. Taj Bradley came from Tampa Bay.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay clearly was willing to move on from Taj Bradley,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: even though we saw how good he is this year.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: So that probably didn't end as well. I know that
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: with Griffin Jacks, it didn't end as well as the
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Twins wanted. It was sort of like a, we'll swap
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: our guy. for your guy, both talented, but we need
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: to move on and get them new changes of scenery.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: And I know for a fact, the twins dove into
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: it to find out, Hey, how did you work with
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Taj Bradley? And, and checked with Taj Bradley checked with,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: there were a bunch of pitchers that are with the
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: twins now that were with the Rays and Garrett Acton, uh,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Eric Orsi, um, you know, Anders Gomez was briefly there,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: but Joe Ryan, and I know they did their, their
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: homework and checked and got good reports that, that Brian Reese, um, was,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: is a good fit and someone that they can work with. And,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: and he said he has a good mature relationship with
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Bradley and looks forward to working with him again. So I,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, that familiarity helps too, but like,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: what do you think Duff, um, with the Rays, just
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: guys that you've talked to over the years that have
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: come from there, like what, what does that organization do
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: well from what you've heard from other pitchers?
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's, they've, and it's become the trend,
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: you know, everyone's trying to copy everyone's mix, you know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: the recipe, but their big thing is when they really
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: hit the stride, you have this stuff, we think if
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: you just attack hitters with your best stuff, don't try to,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: cause it was like the glass now approach to, Hey,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: you're great. Just throw it over the plate and guys
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: will get out. And then with that comes the freeness
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: of starting to let it fly a little bit, not
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: worrying about so much about hitting the corners. And then
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: you get ahead of guys and then the strikeouts come
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: because the hitters have to be more aggressive and it
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: keeps going that way. And then their big thing, I
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: remember hearing, one of the first times is like their lanes,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: you know, and teams have emulated that, you know, guys
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: know when they're facing righties and whatnot, but down to
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: where the analytics now tell these teams, Hey, this guy
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: faces these three guys with nobody on base.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: You have the best chance of getting them out. And
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: they relayed that before.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Games and before series, like guys knew going into every
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: single outing. If Jose Ramirez is coming up in the sixth,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: I'm facing him today. And it makes it a lot
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: easier to get up for those spots. And then if
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: the moment's passed, it's passed. Like you're just not that
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: guy anymore. And so I think that's what it created.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: You know, the closer by committee stuff has kind of
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: had its successes and not. I think teams have gotten
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: away from that part of it because the ninth inning
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: is different. But the Rays have implemented it so well,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: you know, and it's tinkering with shapes and vert and,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: arm slots and things like that.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: You know, it's, if you're unique, you're unique.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: You can't, you know, everybody throws their throw individually, but
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: the Rays in particular, you know, and the guardians for
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: that matter, they've both got their cocktail that they they've got.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: And it's Josh.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, Josh caulk was a big part of it
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: with Tampa and they let him go, but he came
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: to us and we all got a lot better. And,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: and to see him grab a guy that obviously he's
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: comfortable with, I think says a lot as well, because
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: he's making a lot of the pitching decisions and for
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: him to, obviously I'm going to assume he was in
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: on that mix of hiring. If he trusts him and
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: obviously Shelty's probably had some conversation with him and the players,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: like it sounds like he's going to be a great fit.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: And I think the honesty thing, you know, I think
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: it was in the quote or maybe on our bottom
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: line here, but you know, that, that.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Is the big one.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: It's being honest with yourself as a player, as a
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: coach and, and, having the game plan and the ability
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: to have, like you just said, the mature conversations, that's
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: the stuff that really matters at the end of the day.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Like we talked about last week, he's been there, he's
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: done it, he's put his time in. Now he's getting
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: his shot to be the head cheese, and hopefully it
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: goes smoothly as possible.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: We shall see. We'll move on now to the next topic.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Brooks Lee. Our ham and eggy winner for defensive player
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: of the year has been recognized as a gold glove
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: finalist in the American League at third base. Not a
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: surprise at all, of course. It's right in line with
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the analytics and the metrics. He ranked as one of
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the best defensive third basemen. Obviously, a position switch earlier
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: this season that he embraced. But for a season that
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: began and throughout, we were talking about how lousy the
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: defense and how big a problem it is it's uh
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: cool to see at least one area on the field
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: where that that seems pretty well set dan.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: It was a kind of a big move when they
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: asked him to go in may the the twins he
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: thought himself at a short stop and he wanted to
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: prove he could do it and look brooksley got to
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the place he could get to he did make but
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: then when um They just saw too many balls to
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: get in through. And especially early on when the Twins
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: were having trouble striking guys out, there just wasn't a
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: lot of velocity in that bullpen, which resulted in a
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: lot of balls in play, which resulted in a lot
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: of base hits up the middle against relievers and put
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: them in a tough spot. And they asked him to
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: go to third. And he was a little reluctant at first.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: He did it because he's that kind of guy. But
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: he thought, hey, I'm a shortstop. At the end of
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the year, Brooks Lee was saying, hey, I'm a third baseman.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And this was the right move. And he said kudos
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: to them because they saw this. He's like, my range
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: plays at third. And we saw a guy go from
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: a subpar shortstop. In fact, metrically, he was one of
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the worst shortstops in baseball at the time they made
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: the switch to a guy that in the same season
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: became a gold glove finalist at third base. And look,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: the gold glove is subjective. It's not always perfect. I
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: don't think Fernando Tatis is amongst the finalists in the
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: National League. And that's a crime. because, man, that guy–
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I just think of those catches he made. That grand
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: slam he robbed in New York where he faked like
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: he didn't have the ball for a minute. Look, I'm
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: not going to say that the way that they line
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: up the gold glove is perfect, but I do think
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Brooks Lee was worthy of it. I think he was
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: like plus nine at third base. He almost caught up
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: to be an even defender overall in the season because
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: he was so good at third. where he was so
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: bad at shortstop and it looks like a home for him.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: He just, he has the, he, he has the arm
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: angles because he's played shortstop. That doesn't mess with him.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: He can go low, throw off balance. He's got enough
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: arm to get the ball over there. At the end
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: of the year, there were plays where you could tell
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: he was pissed that he didn't make the play. Like
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: it was a really impossible, like nine and a half
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: out of 10 difficulty throwing across his body and, in
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: the air and there was, it was against the Yankees.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: He was pissed that he didn't make it. And I
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: was like, no dude, that, that nobody makes that play.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Don't worry. Like Nolan Arenado at his prime, maybe makes
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: that play, but that's the level of.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Expectation he pushed himself to.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: And it was a very big development for this team
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: to afford because you look at him and he is
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: their third baseman.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Pretty cool stuff for Brooks Lee for sure. Regardless of
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: how that award goes, loud noises in my house, apologies. Um,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: In other news, the Brewers, congratulations. They've made it to
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the World Series. They are leading the Dodgers three games
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: to none. It is impossible to blow that lead, as
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: we all know. It's never happened before in the history
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: of sports.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: What did they do to harm you as a child?
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: What did your neighbor do to upset you?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you an example.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: What did your neighbor do to you?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I came home after Monday's show. I had to run out,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: and I came back and found this staring at me
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: across the street from my neighbor. who painted i will
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: say he did a great job that that looks that
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: looks like a professional went out there and painted the
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: brewers logo sorry it's a bad angle i should have
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: taken a better picture of it but uh.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Do you know him well yeah yeah does is he
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: a viewer is he gonna be is he gonna tune
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: in to see his.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Uh he did not know that i had a twins
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: podcast but i told him Well, first I told him
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: that I was reporting him to the HOA, the police,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and the FBI.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I'm grabbing something. I'm coming back.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: There's no way he got approval from the HOA to
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: do that, which we should look into that. It could
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: be a crime.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I like that they've won 109 times and you've tried
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: to jinx them 108. Just about. Yeah, they have 109
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: wins this season.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I should stop. Maybe I'm fueling the fire
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: for them.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Few items I have– In my house since I got signed.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: That's sweet.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Had to get it to hurt your feelings a little more.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: And he signed it twice because he didn't like the
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: first one.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: If that wasn't clear to our listening audience, my neighbor
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: has painted the Brewers logo into his yard, which stings.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: But seriously, impressive stuff from the Brewers again last night
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: in Game 3. That got behind 2-1. The Dodgers seemed
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: to finally maybe be showing a pulse and then Just
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: another fantastic at-bat.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Hall came in and shut down that route. First, the
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Dodgers were primed. It's 2-1. The bases are loaded. Or
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: maybe it was 2nd and 3rd.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: It was 2nd and 3rd after the 2nd run double.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: And the Dodgers were primed to blow it open like
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: they always do. And Hall comes in and shuts it down.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: It's still 2-1. One, that's a gut punch back on
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers. That's that feeling like, man, it should at
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: least be 3-1 right now. Just a ground ball. Gets
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: it to 3-1. And then to come back was... Man,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: that Bowers to bat was sick.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: They will go for the sweep tonight. That one's tonight, right, Dan?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: That is tonight, yes.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: That is tonight.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Got flip-flopped. Yeah, Dan pointed out to me that the
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Guardians race.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Cleveland's like in an hour.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I said the game was tonight in that graphic
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: on the screen initially at the beginning, but it is
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: this afternoon. Old friend Griffin Jacks taking on Gavin Williams
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: in a big game three. Who you got, Tyler?
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know, what do they call him, the big rig?
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Gavin Williams, he's freaking impressive, man. And at that point,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: I was actually wondering, I was like, when's Griff going
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: to throw? I'd be interested to see how long they
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: let him go because they're so familiar with him, Cleveland,
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: for that. So it'll be interesting to see, but I
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: don't know, man. Gavin Williams, I bet you he's going
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: to be sitting 98 to 100 today.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: It's going to be tough sledding, especially, I can't remember
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: the sun playing the day game.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: There might be a little as Mourney always talks about
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: on the broadcast, little shadows depending on where the sun's at.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: So it could be a tough day for it to
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: be a hitter in the land.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jax has been a full-blown starter since like May for.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Tampa.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: So this is not a.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: He's good.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: He's good. If you're a Twins fan, you probably look
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: at that going, man, that sucks. But also you get
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Taj Bradley for three more years and the Rays get
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Griffin Jax for one more year. So, and Taj Bradley
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: did get named team pitcher of the year and had
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: a hell of a year. Ham and Aggie winner.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: One of the first ever. What an honor. We don't
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: really have it on this day in 1991 today because
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the twins were in between the ALCS and the world
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: series on this day.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: They clinched yesterday, right?
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Yes. They were hung over.
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: But we will, we'll use this space for a programming note.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: we mentioned the possibility of doing a little live show,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: kind of rewatching, uh, some key moments from the twins
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: 91 world series. When we're going to do that, it'll
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: be on October 26. That's the plan. I'll, I'll have
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: a specific time for it, uh, at some point next week,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: but it'll be a live show. Obviously, if you can't
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: watch it live, you can watch it back later and still, um,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: and still see it. Just won't be able to participate
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: in the live discussion going on at the same time. But, um,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: The logistics of it are still being worked out. We're
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: hoping we can actually show you the game on the screen,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how that all works out. But
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: if not, we'll have a backup plan. And even if
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: you're just listening to us, we will have plenty of
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: chatter to make it hopefully still a good experience.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: You know what's cool about that? That will be on
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: October 26th. That's that Monday, correct?
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: That is the 35-year anniversary of the Jack Buck. Yeah,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: the Jack Buck, the famous call. We'll see you tomorrow night.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow night.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: We'll probably watch that clip, I would think, on the show.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I said just Game 7 there, but we might sneak
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: in a little Game 6 too. If there is major
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Twins news, that'll be our show for that Monday. If
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: there is Twins news that we need to talk about,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: we'll cover it off and figure that out. That's the
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: plan for a week from Monday. Thanks, everybody, for listening.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate it. And one more time, if
• 52:34
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• 52:36
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• 52:39
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• 52:42
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• 52:45
  Speaker 1: next Monday on Twin Cities Territory. Thanks again for listening, everybody.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Have a good weekend and bye-bye.