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What If You Don't Need to Fix Yourself? · The Wisdom Trust Podcast for Gay Men 50+

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Wisdom Trust.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Lauren Crawford.
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  SPEAKER_00: This podcast is for gay men over 50 who sense there's more to this stage of life than we've been taught.
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  SPEAKER_00: More connection, meaning, honesty, and possibility.
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  SPEAKER_00: Each episode is a conversation with a thoughtful gay man who's navigating the deeper questions that often emerge in the second half of life: aging, identity, purpose, belonging, reinvention, community, love, and living consciously.
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  SPEAKER_00: These are not conversations about decline, they're conversations about becoming.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you're here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome everyone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here we are again for another podcast of The Wisdom Trust.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here we have conversations with gay men over 50 who are doing things in this stage of their life that maybe they weren't doing previously.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they're exploring and tapping into new avenues and finding that thing that lights them up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And today we're going to be talking with Ryan Willoughby, who is a globally recognized spiritual guide, a channel, and the creator of Quantum Shift.
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  SPEAKER_00: So welcome, Ryan.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm really excited about this conversation, somewhat selfishly, because I'm someone who's been doing spiritual work for the last almost three decades.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when we had our initial conversation, I was intrigued because you're kind of at a place in your journey where I'm aiming to get.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm excited to unfold that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm sure the listeners too are excited to learn about you and who you are and how you've become this channel, this spiritual guide at this stage in life.
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  SPEAKER_00: So why not give us a little bit of brief bio, a little bit more than than the line that I read, so that we have a sense of who you are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, well, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's such an honor to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I've been excited for the podcast and the interview coming up because our initial discussion, you know, we were able to have some commonalities.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm just really excited to see where this goes and how it unfolds.
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  SPEAKER_01: But and thank you for the introduction.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was born in the Midwest, so I'm a Midwest boy at heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: I came up through corporate, I came up through finance.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I worked for one of the largest finance companies in the world and worked my way up into senior level executive management and business development.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it just came to a point where it was I had to make a decision of this was going to be my life path, you know, as kind of being groomed for that C C-suite level.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was just being called in a different direction.
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  SPEAKER_01: My soul was really calling me somewhere else.
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  SPEAKER_01: From the way that everyone else would have perceived where I was in life.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'd I'd moved from Iowa, I was in Denver.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had the, you know, three-story Victorian and downtown Denver, just completely renovated and professionally decorated.
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  SPEAKER_01: Talked to my boss three times a year, was making very good money.
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  SPEAKER_01: And from that, it was kind of what everyone would work towards or to achieve.
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  SPEAKER_01: And really, I was satisfied.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was happy, but my soul had such a longing and desire.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was a space there that was being filled with accomplishments, with titles, you know, with like getting to the next phase.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it just wasn't gonna be done through a corporate life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so in 2011, I had made a choice to leave the corporate life and kind of walked away right at the the peak at that time, and I sold everything I owned, and what I didn't sell, I gave away, and I moved to Indonesia, and I lived in Bali for about three years, and I started up my consciousness leadership, working in spirituality, consciousness, and leadership, working with energy, and started just building it from scratch and been on that journey since that time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Moved back to the states in 2014, 2015.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I've just continued on this journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have my business.
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  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't until I became aware that I have really always been to some degree, and everyone is, a channel and had been channeling.
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  SPEAKER_01: It had become kind of apparent through some of my client work that I was doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I wasn't consciously aware that I was channeling when I was working with clients.
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  SPEAKER_01: But they would be like, oh my God, stop.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, repeat that.
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  SPEAKER_01: What did you just say?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'd be like, I don't really know what just came out, but we'll either have to listen to the replay or you got to take some really good notes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And but then it wasn't until September of 2020 that I it was a very clear experience that I had an experience with a non-physical being, with particularly an archangel who came through and started channeling through me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it first started through automatic writing and really an just a mystical experience is the best way that I could probably frame it, that I had with this particular archangel and other entities.
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  SPEAKER_01: And from that point forward, it became very clear that my mission, if you will, was shifting and changing, and that I was a clear channel to be able to channel non-physical beings and this particular archangel, which is Metatron.
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  SPEAKER_01: And from that point forward, my life started to really take on a new meaning, a new direction.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I had just moved to Palm Springs from Naples, Florida.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was living in Naples, moved here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't until about two years ago I started up my own paid membership community where we meet each week.
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  SPEAKER_01: We all come in recognized as the powerful beings that we are, that everyone comes in in their own power, in their own right, in the recognition of who and what they are.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we collectively join in these higher states of consciousness and frequency.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're focused in on some of the language of what you might talk about, like bringing in the new earth or bringing in the new levels of consciousness, where we are inviting a new way of being in humanity here on the planet Earth, one that recognizes pure ambivalence, the recognition of serving all and living in a state of unconditional love with our fellow humankind.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that is primarily what the mission of the channel of Archangel Metatron, who moves through me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And recently I'm working with a group called the Galactic Council.
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  SPEAKER_01: The primary message that comes through that's being delivered is just remembering the truth of who you are and connecting in with the power and the essence of your truest state of being, and then embodying that and coming into realization while staying in your physical human form and creating your life and your existence through the truth of your being rather than through any of the imprints of maybe limitation, lack, or separation that we may then imprint upon through a third-dimensional experience, which we can get into some of that jargon later if we want to.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's just speaking at a level of some of the concepts of what it is and kind of where I live and what it is that I do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the the question, there's a lot of questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: The question that comes to mind is so Ryan, as a young man, a kid, you know, a young adult, were there spiritual leanings?
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  SPEAKER_00: What was there like a bigger kind of, I know there's more to this, like was that part of you even when you were moving through this corporate, you know, going up the corporate ladder and and and and becoming highly achieved, which you know, most people go like, why didn't you stay there, silly man?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there are many times that I've asked myself, why didn't I stay there?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, you you sometimes say, you know, did I make the right choice?
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  SPEAKER_01: Going out on this path, you know, going and and leaving everything that you've ever known, moving into uncertainty, moving into the spiritual realm of of the unknown, and and really ostracizing yourself from a lot of the general public of what the what everyone else believes, and having to stay firm and and stay strong in in what your intuitive side is telling you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, there were definitely questions, and sometimes you ask, you know, like, is that the right path?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that the right thing?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, the monetary thing may not always be there in the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's questions, but that's part of the journey of really being able to stay in your power and knowing what is uh wealth, what is abundance, what is, it's not always just you know, the currency of the current society.
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  SPEAKER_01: But beyond that, as you know, I believe that we all come in turned on to a certain degree.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do believe that there are some that are maybe more conscious of a state of a frequency of what is just natural to your own soul's signature frequency.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when you're young and you're coming in, you may not be aware that you're aware until much later that you can look back and see about how you were imprinted upon to forget what you already knew that you were.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I can look back on that and and recognize that and see that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then I could also see where and how I stayed really connected into that truth while navigating through the illusion of, you know, the amnesia or forgetting that of what we are, or being in a collective or within a society or a community or a family, whatever it may be, that has truly forgotten the truth of who they are, and that is being overlaid upon you, and the way you navigate through that while still maintaining threads of your truth that show up in different ways of how you navigate your reality, even as a small child.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I think that there have been parts of me that really were able to stay connected even through all of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and I like to say I was kind of raised by a village.
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  SPEAKER_01: So my parents are still together.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was always with my parents legally, but yeah, I had many families around the neighborhood and through different, you know, organizations that I came became really close with, and I would spend a lot of time in those households.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they gave me so many different experiences and gave opportunities for me to see from so many different angles.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they brought in their different belief systems, and one of them from a young age that I believe was a soul contract that was very much integral to the aspect of expanding me more into the truth of who I am, connecting me that into that, but really just shattering all belief systems that had already been put upon me, but was being partly raised in a Wiccan household.
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  SPEAKER_01: So a high priestess, she was a witch, it was generationally passed down on her women's side of the family for as far back as you can go.
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  SPEAKER_01: A book of shadows that was, you know, in this elk leather-bound book that was older than what we could even know where it came from, that had book of shadows and spells in it, that was an authentic Wiccan tradition that had been passed down, that now I am a part of and was very much integral of.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we would sit and have philosophical questions and would talk about magic and realms and dimensions and black holes and galaxies and you know, extraterrestrials and witchcraft and Odin and gnomes and elms and dragons, you know, we we limit in this expansive.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I'm a young young 12-year-old on into the day that I am now, that that realm was opened up to me to be able to explore and to play and to play in magic and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't until later into like my maybe well, it's always been a part of me, but the magic and the spells and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I continued to expand myself further to kind of really understand that that it is all just a playground, that there is no power outside of you, that it all is you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it's evolved for me to be able to come more into like when you are a sorcerer or you are a magician.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is just you that is integrating and becoming that of what you are as the higher self, which is the fractalization of God.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so there is no other outside force or being or anything that you are using other than that of what is you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was an evolution, but it was a major stepping stone to allow myself to shatter my mind and its thinking and close to that.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's just certain religions, even Christianity or Hindu, or you know, all of it, it just says shatter it all.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Wicca was the door that opened, even for me to be able to shatter Wicca as this constraint of a closed loop belief system.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that was a major part of like was connecting me always to the truth of who and what I am.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so even through my corporate years, my success was because I was able to connect into the truth of who I was.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was able to focus and manifest and to create and into areas that I was just focusing so heavily in my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was very external things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those were things that I wanted to achieve.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, business and career and money and house and cars and toys and this and that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so all energy was being focused upon that rather than connecting with the truest essence of my being and expanding my consciousness through that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was in the playground of the third dimension.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was able to come and masterfully master the third dimension.
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  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's no right or wrong or good or bad in any of the dimensions of or levels of consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_01: But my soul was saying, okay, done that, did that.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's so much more for us to go and to explore and to expand into.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then that's what led me into the really my next phase of doing a much deeper exploration and connection into the truth of who I am.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I love this idea of the shattering, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so people might kind of be wondering like, how do you even get there?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, so I'm kind of jealous that you as a 12-year-old were experiencing these environments where this stuff was even presented to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I remember, you know, in my early 20s, you know, reading Joseph Campbell and the Gnostic Gospels and having this sense that there's something more like what we're being told is, you know, I don't know, like it just feels like, but then I got way later sidetracked with, you know, getting a job and all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I discovered yoga at 29.
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  SPEAKER_00: And people might go, like, so what?
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  SPEAKER_00: But it began this deeper journey for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you say, you know, like the shattering and stuff, a lot in in that tradition is is kind of like, you know, we burn the dross and the fire kind of thing, the fire of practice and all of that.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because we do, I think most of us need, you know, some of these sort of stepping stones that help us to remember, like the remembrance is so important because I think what we and I'd love to hear your opinion on this when when the way that we're taught is that even as spiritual seekers, is that there's something that we have to get to, and it's somewhere out there or it's in the future, right?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that I think that's what a lot of religions tell us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like there's this afterlife, some other place that you can get to.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's this thing out there called, you know, name it, God, Allah, whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then when we realize, oh, the remembering is like, you know, it's within us, as you said.
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  SPEAKER_00: So maybe explore that a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, recognizing that a lot of people listening, watching this won't necessarily, you know, have a full understanding of this talk of beyond the three the third dimension and and this idea of God consciousness or whatever you want to call it.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, yoga was a very much an integral part and one of the steps that expanded me even further.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was probably in my early 30s of when and I was in Denver.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's what really kind of started to shatter that part of and open up because I was in my corporate, and that's what was really opening me up to receive more, and then to come to the conclusion that I was leaving corporate because of the level of depth into consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was really the next evolution past Wicca.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice was yoga because yoga was back to the return of the divine self.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yoga is a beautiful science of spirituality, and it is speaks so much to the truth of what is.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: It is yoga is about is it means yoga, and it means to blend that of the higher self in with this human form, which is realization and embodiment.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so, from the spiritual aspect of the guides of what I channel, that is what we are here to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yoga is the science that allows you to be able to bring that in.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you start studying the Vedas, when you start going into these books of knowledge that have been here before we even can understand where this divine information was coming from, it is that science that allows this process of what we're talking about, of what spirituality also shares with us about the path and the way forward to be able to do this.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: So, very much an integral part of my process as well.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: I guess I don't remember what your initial question was because I was so interested in that that we both had that yoga as an experience for a deeper depth.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, what was the original question?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, for folks that maybe aren't, you know, on a spiritual journey yet, or maybe they are, and like you you made this comment earlier, you weren't necessarily conscious of some of the stuff.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the case for a lot of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I've been doing midlife coaching for a few years, and and my whole thing around that is the soul wants a bigger voice at the table now.
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  SPEAKER_00: For you, that happened earlier.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: For me, it happened a bit earlier as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was in a job, but I I knew I had a sort of a sunset plan for when I was gonna get out of there.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: But I think for a lot of us who have maybe been stuck in the, we'll call it the rat race.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: I know that sounds awful, but but just the the the going, doing, being what society tells us we have to do.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is the model, you get the job, you ideally, you know, work your way up the corporate ladder as you've described.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, not everyone is successful at that.
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  SPEAKER_00: You clearly were.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, and that's where some of the struggling comes in.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then in midlife, we can kind of pause and go like, why do I feel less fulfilled than I thought I would at this stage?
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  SPEAKER_00: And to me, that's that opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_00: To get that a little bit more of that kind of soul alignment, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I guess the question is what might people be looking at or exploring by way of becoming a bit more of a seeker, you know, maybe being a little bit more open to this more esoteric side of their being.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think the first thing is just asking themselves what is the discomfort if they have one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because if there is no discomfort, you're fine.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Just continue.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't need to if you're watching this and you're fine, stay there.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need to have an exercise of finding something that you're not content with.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because contentment is always available to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in essence, what it is, you know, like what you say is your soul is looking for a bigger voice at the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is a connection with the essence of the truth of who and what you are, for like the soul.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it is there a void that you are trying to fill.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if there's a void that you're trying to fill, it is the true essence of you that you are looking to connect with that fills you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your voice at the table that wants to be heard is the thing that comes from within you that fills you, you're fulfilled within the essence of that of what is you.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so we, when you don't know that that is what you are, or that is what you are not connected to, that source is out there.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of what we're if you come up in any kind of mainstream religion or belief system, then every every the thing is out there.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: God is up there, out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have to connect to it, you have to pray to God.
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  SPEAKER_01: God has to give to you, has to deliver to you, has to answer your prayers, you have to give your power away to this essence, this being that is outside of you.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not that we don't believe in God or Allah or whatever you are, the source, the, but that that is you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that you, you could call it the soul, is an aspect of God.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are a fractal light of God.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: And you can connect into that and bring that everything is from within you.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: When you do that, you fill the void.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're no longer filling the void with an accomplishment, with a title, with something you need to do, with more money.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: When I do this, then I'll finally be at peace.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: If I could get this amount of money, then I would all feel comfortable, I'd feel safe.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: If I could have this relationship or this person, then I would feel whole, I'd feel complete, I would feel loved, I'd feel I'd have someone to love.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: If I could get this home, then I would feel like I finally made it, I achieved it.
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  SPEAKER_01: This certification, this title, this, this, this, this, this, there will always be more because the void is not is unfillable with anything that is material or from the outside.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: The outside is a playground.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is not something to be resisted.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: It is not something to not have desires.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't believe that, that we are here to play in our desires, that they are playgrounds.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: We are here to experience, to express, to like to create, to play with physicality, with all of our love and desire, but from a soul's level of desire, from one of fulfillment, one that you are already fulfilled, so much so that you're so connected with the soul that it emanates from you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And from that, you are experiencing physicality now from the soul's desire rather than from the limited space of feeling empty and trying to fill that with things that are physical from outside of you.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: Does that make sense?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that you know, you use the word resist came in there.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I think sometimes when we're so like the next thing that's gonna make me happy and gonna feel fulfilled when that that constant pursuit of more and this ego kind of driven thing about wanting better, like it wants more, more, more and better, because it's about self-improving, kind of, and it's like, but improving what, you know, and and I think that that in itself creates resistance because it's like, why am I not there yet?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: And and I want that, and I'm I'm working towards that.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: And when you're at that place, this is my experience anyway, when you're at that place where where there is more soul alignment going on, you and I love what you said, like desires are not wrong or bad.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: We we want to have goals, we want to be achieving and and and being fulfilled in this this stuff, but when we're fulfilled internally, that journey is so much more well, it's easier, it's less stressful, there's less resistance, and it almost feels like all these coincidences start happening because the universe starts aligning things because there's this not a discord, but there's there's a balancing of the energies, and that's been my experience, even more so in the last year, I would say.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I love about being 60.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Something has shifted in me where it's like, oh, here we go, right?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: And part of that is, you know, all of these years of doing like the work, doing the meditation and all that stuff.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Part of it is just an understanding of, you know, the wisdom that comes with all of these life experiences.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, when we're when we're striving, striving, seeking, seeking, I think it that in itself creates resistance and friction, which I think when we get to this a different place, we realize, oh, that's not necessary.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's just gonna speak in the levels of dimensions, and this is new for you, just play with it.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: But the third dimension is the dimension of lack of separation.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: So if you look at our experience as the human race, we are at different levels of consciousness and we are evolving in consciousness, and the level of consciousness you're in determines the dimension of reality that you're going to experience.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And the third dimension is one of lack of separation, fear, you know, duality, duality.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: And they will say anytime you're in physicality, there's going to be a level of duality.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: So it's the way that you perceive duality and the way that you experience duality is more so in the third dimension.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: So while you're in the third dimension, you you when we were incarnated into this earth, we came in like fully awakened, like we kind of remembered, but we knew that we were going to be programmed to forget.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: We were really looking forward to having an experience of what we're not, to expand our consciousness and expand ourselves through that of what we're not by having a third-dimensional experience.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: The third dimension, we created all of this, all the levels of dimensions to be able to experience and to expand our consciousness through whatever we decided to focus ourselves through.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: The truest essence of our being is absolute pure love, joy, bliss, beauty, peace, harmony, abundance.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: That is the essence of that, of what we are, always will be, always have been.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: But to be able to know it and to have an experience of it, we could focus ourselves into that of what is not that by having a third-dimensional experience, agreeing to go on the journey then of moving into higher states of consciousness, where we would start to remember the truth of who we are, which would move us into a fourth density of dimension, which would be one of where we start to remember that there's so much just more going on here than what I remembered or did not remember.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: And that I there is something that is me that I can connect with.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it's called transformation.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: You start to transform, you start to remember, you start to forgive, you start to heal.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: We talk about healing, healing from the third-dimensional experience.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so you start to have this process of transformation.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: I can transform from that limited space that I was into becoming that of what I've always been, but in this physical form.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: And just like what you're saying, but that can come into become a loop as well.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: When we are there's more to heal, there's more to become, there's more to forgive.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: And when we come into that recognition, you you've reached a now another level of consciousness that moves you into the fifth dimension that says, I have always been this.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: It has always been available to me.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: I am always been the state of perfection of the soul that was before it incarnated into a third-dimensional experience.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: I am whole, I am complete, I am everything I wish to be, I already am.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: That the whole experience of the third dimension was absolutely perfect.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing to heal from it, there's nothing to forgive because it was a written story that we couldn't have an expansion through that of what I'm not if I didn't write it, focus myself into it, and have the experience of it.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: I am the creator of all of it.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: How could there be anything for me to heal from it or need to forgive from it?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: I can have absolute reverence for the storyline of my third-dimensional experience that I just transcended up and through to become that of what I have always been.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: That is when you come into realization or the embodiment or the full yoke, and what the yogis would say.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: So this is how you transcend.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: But the fourth dimension is an absolutely perfect stage that you do move into and you do have an experience that you are healing and that you are forgiving till you get to the point where it's like, oh, well, that was never even necessary.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: But in essence, depending on the level of dimension you're in, there are certain truths that exist within the level of consciousness that you are in that you do play with while you're in those levels of consciousness and dimension to be able to allow you to move into the next level of frequency consciousness dimension where new truths exist.
• 33:39
  unknown: Yeah.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I think if if anyone's listening, watching, and you're kind of like, I sort of get this, but I don't really know what you're talking about.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Or even if you're hopefully you haven't tuned out and shut off, because my words of encouragement are just be open and things will start to make themselves available to you.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like that adage, when the student is ready, you know, the teacher will come, will show up suddenly.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that's certainly what's happened to me over the years.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're kind of like going, well, how do I do this?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: Is there a special book that I read?
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think that we're all on our own unique paths.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: And if we just allow that sort of opening, then things will open, things will start to show up and the journey will continue at an accelerated rate.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: And that's wonderful because my sister just messaged me yesterday about some deep work she's doing.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, My my whole body's just in going through all of this stuff.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just like, sit with it, be with it, be still, and let all of that energy, whatever that is, we and the mind always wants to label what is that?
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like we don't always know, and we don't need to know.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I again, if you're if you're listening and watching, know, no, no, that being open to whatever is is really a part of it, right?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: And we can get fear-based around so much, right?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, well, what if, oh my gosh.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's also a hindrance.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's one of the things that holds us back from doing a little bit of this inquiry because it's like, well, who will I become?
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: What will it look like?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: And because we're so attached to our identities, right?
• 35:22
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• 37:03
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• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to circle back to a few topics here as well.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of this, there's there's a video circulating.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen it, I've only heard about it, where a psychologist or psychiatrist, I can't remember which, is sort of challenging one of Eckhart Tolle's things about presence, and in presence everything's just as it should be.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently, it's this, you know, critique saying, well, that's just spiritual bypassing, you know, you can't not address some of these things that are going on.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to hear your perspective on, you know, the spiritual journey and the whole notion of spiritual bypassing, which in my understanding and my experience is that I use my spiritual journey and my spiritual practices to kind of avoid doing some of the the work of that word healing, some of the stuff that was really, you know, getting in my way, shall we say.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is really interesting because you know, the particular entities that I work with, they don't really work with healing necessarily.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Metatron actually he will work in healing.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: He very much does work in healing, but he meets you at the level of dimension in which you are existing in.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: And at the time that he's speaking about healing, he's always remembering that you reminding you that you are the creator within your own creation and that you are already whole, and that you are just remembering yourself back into the essence of the being that you have always been.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: That is what he calls a healing.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a big difference in that.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: Spiritual bypassing.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: So spiritual bypassing is like, oh, rose-colored glasses, always see everything.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Don't acknowledge anything that's dark, don't focus yourself into something that is not you.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Don't entangle your consciousness or your high frequency into a level of consciousness or dimension that is in fear or lack or of a lower dimension.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: Eckart, everything is perfect just as it is.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: This is where what we just were discussing, and maybe why we circled and looped back to this, is that the third dimension is a place of lack and separation, of fear.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's everything that we're not.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: It is violence.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: It is, it is, there is a perpetrator, there is a victim, there is, this is where all of that exists and lives.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not real.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: This, you know, it's it's this concept of is your body real?
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: Is your mind real?
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, how much are you attaching to this physical reality?
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: These are very high-level concepts of spirituality.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're not at that level of consciousness, this won't make sense.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: You and but you may hear something, this is to Lauren's point, that you don't, you may say, okay, something about that just resonates as true for me.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what it means.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know how to comprehend what he's saying or they are saying.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: But there is this truth that just sits in the background for me.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's enough.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: I do not know, and that's okay.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's a brilliant mantra.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: But on the spiritual bypassing, all this really determines is the level of perspective or the level of consciousness that you are going to perceive from.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: If you were perceiving from the highest, grandest perspective, that you know the truth of who you are, that you are a non-physical being that has focused yourself here into a level of dimension and reality where you can have a physical body and a physical experience, and you are experiencing things through contrast and duality, and that you can allow the duality and contrast to exist and not make it your true identity, but you can also be in it and live it and make it a very real experience, but know that you are also a multidimensional being that can be the observer of you having this experience and fully embodied and realized in the physical body and have an experience that is of the fifth dimension of pure love and not have the the fear and the level of separation that you would have in a third dimension.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: If you this is where in the fourth level of dimension, where you are in this bridge between the fifth and the fourth, and so you have this area of paradox that really lives of like the absolute truth of that of what you are while you're in physical form, but yet you are still having access yourself and witnessing a collective that is living in a third-dimensional experience of absolute lack and amnesia, of separation from the truth of who they are.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: So you can see both perspectives or choose where you want to focus yourself into.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you are in this place of transition and you are focusing yourself to come into a steady state of frequency, of high levels of consciousness, then it may behoove you not to focus yourself on all the things that you want to change, fix, that are in the lower levels of frequency, because you are entangling, you are resisting a level of reality that is perfect in its absolute creation to have an experience of what you're not.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Now, it doesn't mean while you're in that levels of consciousness that are fear and lack and shame and violence and killing and death and victim and all of the things that occur in that level of dimension.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: While you are in that, and that's all that you know, it is not something that you say it is okay.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: And that is a perfectly good place to be.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not that you are expected to say that that's good or that's not bad, because in that level of dimension, there are Truths in that level of dimension that absolutely serve.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: There is a truth that isn't good.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: There is right and wrong and good and bad in the third dimension.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: In the fifth dimension, there isn't because you know that you created all of the dimensions and they're all there to serve in the expansion of consciousness.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is the paradox and reality.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the higher you focus yourself into higher levels of consciousness, you are able to live in the paradox freely and allow everything to be just as it is without entanglement.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: When you become so powerful in your knowing of the truth of who you are, what we would call mastery, you are in master of your energy and your emotions, energy in motion that you can move into all the levels of dimensions of consciousness.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: And your energy doesn't have to be entangled in the lower frequencies.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: You can go down there, you can play, you can be in it, you can allow it, you can do the alchemization, you can meet people where they're at and not get entangled and wish for their experience to be different than what it is.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: But you can have deep, deep compassion for the human that is moving through the experience and the entity that is in that human that is having the emotional capacity that that third-level density human is having.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: Deep compassion, but not necessarily empathy.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: Empathy is that you would move in and you would be feeling what that other human or entity is feeling.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you are in extreme levels of mastery, you if you go into empathy, you are now taking your instrument and you are taking on low frequency feelings and emotions.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: And now you are entangled in that.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't know that you are not your feelings and emotions, and that you could absorb those and alchemize those in a moment, that's where you are a healer, is that you are just able to take on all different levels of energies and frequencies and not have them impermeate you and affect you as your state of being, that you can know and be who and what you are, no matter where you are in any state of any dimension.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: So that's not spiritual bypassing.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: It all just comes into different levels of perspectives based upon the level of consciousness or dimension you have focused yourself into of what becomes the truth and the definition of any word or thing.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: You are the only one that gives meaning to anything.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's how powerful you are.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a lot.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: Thank thank you for that.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to dial it back.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: You've used the word experience, experiential experience a lot.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that this is really important because, in my view, we can't think our way into this stuff, right?
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: The conditioned mind can't really understand all of this.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's I use the word higher mind, you know, that that that bigger part of us.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: But what we can do at this kind of level, and this is how I bring people in when I teach a yoga class, for example, every time we start from okay, close your eyes, get still, move in, experience the the physicality, and then you'll notice this energy layer.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: What are you feeling feeling there?
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: All of this prana, life force moving.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you most animated?
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you most alive?
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: Notice your body breathing, and then ultimately notice what's going on on the mental plane.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: And and this is just in my way, a really simple way of folks to helping folks to understand, to experience there's more than just this functioning in the world, thinking, thinking, thinking, acting, doing, thinking, wanting, you know, slow down, get quiet, move in.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I that's the other thing that I wanted to sort of impart too, that stillness is a big part of this journey.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's anathema to our modern, busy, busy lifestyles, right?
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_00: Of always going, going, doing, doing.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: When we can create a container for stillness and get beyond the the mental chatter, I think that's when even more doors start to open.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it is what my guides like to say stillness is the access point to acceleration.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: Stillness brings you into your essence, your state of being, which is your unique soul signature frequency, which then that frequency is the highest consciousness that is you, which accelerates your soul's desire to manifest and create and move you into a higher timeline of your creation and experience.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: This is the thing is that the only thing that we are here to do is to experience.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: And that experience, I mean, my guys would also say, well, you're here to become realized, you're here to become embodied, you are here to remember the truth of who you are.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: But all of that is experiential.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: The reason why you are being called to do that is because you we have now really what they're saying is we've exhausted all of the potentials and possibilities of timelines of a third-dimensional reality.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's exhausted.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's really no more to experience through lack separation as the human species.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: So we've done that, did that.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's we've exhausted that experience out.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: So we're taking now the human species that's in this physical form to expand it in consciousness to move into a new dimension of reality, to where we are now able to experience being in physical form, but a reality that it is resonance in the truth of that of what we are, which is pure unconditional love, joy, bliss, peace, connection, harmony, magic, synchronicity, flow, just absolute.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that stillness is what allows you to access the frequency in which you and that new reality coexist in together.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Wonderful.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I've been having conversations with gay men over 50 for the last few months and dozens and dozens of these conversations.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then in the community that I've built, you know, I've surveyed the folks to say, well, what do you want as we come together as a as a movement?
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like I see this as a movement around looking at aging, especially in the gay experience, differently, right?
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it was really inspiring to me to see that a lot of them chose like spiritual, like wanting some different spiritual kind of connection, right?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: Presumably outside of the religious context and what have you, and and and what they've experienced so far.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: So having said that, what might be some words, guidance, if you will, around sort of some next steps for people if that is what they're yearning for?
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: There's a little bit of consciousness around I I want a higher consciousness, like I want to shift things up.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: What would be your recommendation for perhaps some some next steps?
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: To not look for it externally, but go within.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: Drop from your head down into your heart space, drop from your head down into your your center portal that is the connection into the truest essence that is you.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: There is nothing that is outside of you, everything is in here, and then you experience it as an outside world.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: So if you would like to connect into spirituality, you want to expand into spirituality.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: What is spirituality?
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: Spirit, what is that?
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: That is you, the spirit that you are saying you want connection to is just you, you are having a deep desire to connect and to know yourself.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: So do that.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it's in if you're guided to a book, beautiful.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't mean not be part of community, be part of a community, be part of a community that fosters that you are the power of you.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: Connect with a community that celebrates you being the powerful one, and all the answers are within you.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_01: Being a community that celebrates the fact that it celebrates that you are already whole, complete, and everything you'd ever wish to be, you already are.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's all within you.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: So be still, be still long enough to drop from your head down into your heart and connect, feel into the essence that is you, and then do it again, and do it again, and then do it some more.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why we call it practice, right?
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: And and and if you're new to that and you're like, I'm gonna try that, no big rules, no great do this, do that, do that.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a simple thing, so simple it it's complicated.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: You might add that in there, take three deep breaths, yeah, yeah.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like dropping from your head down into your heart, yeah.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that might be the only other thing that I'd say, otherwise, shift the energy a little bit.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but what I was gonna say when you do that, because so many of us men have such built up so much stuff around there, when you drop in, emotions might surface and just let them surface, you know, especially those first few times.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: It can it like I remember the first time, like my I really connected to my heart, it felt like a fucking dagger was going right through there.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I was with the Reiki healer at the time, and I was like, Oh, oh my god! And I'm like, it's so painful.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, just be with it.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: The universe is only gonna give you what you can handle.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, okay.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I love that you are saying this.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: Can I offer a perspective on this?
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: So remember earlier they said, you know, you are the only one that gives meaning to anything.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's how powerful you are.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes we have experiences that are unfamiliar, but yet the only thing that we know is from the third-dimensional experience.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: So we immediately label that on top of it.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so a lot of times what can happen is when you activate this part of your center, you're connecting with the essence that is you, you are connecting with love because that is what you are, and love is power, and this is immense power, and sometimes you may not know how to process it and or how to label it.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's something so new, and sometimes that love it is maybe activating sensory that you would once maybe label to something that would be like maybe of pain.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: Pain.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a lot of times people will label it as anxiety.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and you know, oh, I feel so much anxiety, or like for me, sometimes even to this day, still, because there's so much energy that is accessible here, that it feels like my breastplate may just bust open.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like there's that much energy.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: It can be a physical expression, but to me, that's a celebration.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: To me, that is the demonstration of connecting to the essence and the power that I am.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_01: The full energy vibration and frequency, it's not anxiety, it is excitement.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it is so much energy, you may not know what to do with it.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: You feel like you need to go, you need to get up, you need to go.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: You invite, be still, allow that energy to permeate all the way through you.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: Some of the deep love is just that you're experiencing that may be identified as pain, is of really the the identification of all the love that you have denied yourself.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it circles back to what you were saying earlier: the shattering.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: So some of that intense energy that we feel is is breaking up, yeah, these these the stickiness that we've built over the years, shattering that.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's letting go of the identity that you built that you ever once thought you were.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_01: Black, limited, shameful, all the things that are not true of you, but it's the only thing that you built your identity around.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: You're letting that go.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes there can be, there's a whole journey that you now begin yourself on.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: If this is very new, and allow it.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's experiential.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's no right or wrong, good or bad.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: All feelings and emotions are welcome.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_01: You are not your feelings, you are not your emotions.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're just experiences and signs on the signposts that are directing you if you are moving in the direction of becoming more of that of what you've always been.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_00: Wonderful.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's a great way to wrap up.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: And just what you said there around sort of the shame and some of that.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like a lot of us have embodied that as gay men.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it's that's why it's so important to do this quote unquote work, you know, in my view, anyway.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this has been really wonderful in terms of wrapping up.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: Are there any final thoughts that you'd like to share?
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_01: Wherever you find yourself is exactly where you're supposed to be.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: There is no place in your journey of where you're supposed to be.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: Every soul, every being has its soul's desire on its timeline of when and how it's supposed to awaken, what the journey is of coming into the truth of who you are, reminded that the soul really enjoys and enjoyed the experience of black and limitation.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_01: And if that's where you are and you're just in this space of starting to remember the truth of who you are, that's perfect.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_01: There are some souls within this incarnation who are not going to choose to awaken and remember the truth of who they are.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's not a limited soul, that's not an evolved soul.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_01: Every soul is absolutely masterful and divine and absolutely perfect.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's just choosing to have an experience of what it's not.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: So we're not here to awaken anybody sooner than what the soul was already agreed to do, who is finding this podcast at this time.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it is part of your journey of remembering and awakening.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: That was something you agreed to long, long ago.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: If this is not resonating with you at this time, but you're recognizing the truth in it, but it's not in a journey that you feel like you're ready to actually be on.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: No judgment for yourself or from us or anybody else.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: You are a divine soul that is absolutely perfect in your place, your space, and your design.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: So honor it.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_01: Honor your journey.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is just as it is to be, to circle back to Eckhart Toli.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is absolutely perfect and divine.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: So just honor yourself, honor your journey, and be open to the experiences that you are here to have and that you are continually unfolding and creating with.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_00: What a wonderful way to wrap up this discussion.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's been really exceptional.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: So RyanWillby.com is where you can connect with Ryan if you want to discover his work.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe check him out for getting on the newsletter.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_00: I've done that.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: And joining the community, right?
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_01: If you if you have free resources there, a free community.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: And just reach out if you have any questions or if there's anything that I can do, I'm happy to connect with you too.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and those piercing blue eyes, you know, you can resist those.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, well, thank you, Ryan, so much for being here.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's been a real treat.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I I honor so much uh these journeys that we end up on, and the fact that you left that corporate world and are giving these gifts to humanity in a different way is is really exceptional.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Lauren, and thank you for this opportunity.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a delight.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_01: You are a delight, and yeah, you're doing amazing work.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for what you're doing and doing these uh podcasts, these interviews, and just spreading your light and you know, doing what brings you joy.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: This has been great.
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  SPEAKER_01: Great.
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