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Steve Price | 2 August · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Friday Night's Stea Price with you. At the
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Speaker 2: end of a week of Olympic triumph and disappointment for Australia,
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Speaker 2: and the end of a week that sees the world
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Speaker 2: sitting in one of the most dangerous places I've witnessed
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Speaker 2: in a very long time. We will have all of
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Speaker 2: that covered from all angles tonight. Coming up in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East on the brink of the almost unimaginable all
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Speaker 2: out war, Israel hitting a Hummas terrorist leader inside Teyran
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Speaker 2: itself and Iran vowing to strike back. What does that
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Speaker 2: mean for the world? Greg Barton, international security expert. He'll
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Speaker 2: be first up with us tonight. Meanwhile, the Games go
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Speaker 2: on in Paris. More gold for Australia's female swim team
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Speaker 2: in the two hundred meter relay. How good was that?
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Speaker 2: But it's away from the pool where the drama is.
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Speaker 2: It started with the highly fancied Izzie Matilda's crashing out
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Speaker 2: of the tournament and the recriminations have been brutal and
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Speaker 2: swift and in box outrage surrounding two boxes and their
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Speaker 2: gender choices. Take you to France shortly for an update
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Speaker 2: on all of that. And back home in the middle
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Speaker 2: of a youth crime crisis. One state labor government just
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Speaker 2: doesn't get the community outrage over the softening of bail laws,
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Speaker 2: allowing repeat offending teenagers back on the streets to smash
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Speaker 2: into homes and steal cars night after night after night.
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Speaker 2: The Shadow Police spokesman Brad Batton will update us on
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Speaker 2: all of that, but first I'll speak at a moment
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Speaker 2: to the Australian newspaper journalist Mohammed Alfarez, who in about
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Speaker 2: a remarkable piece of reporting in the Australian newspaper yesterday
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Speaker 2: in an interview with a bloke called Alde MoES. Mohammed
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Speaker 2: Alawad now Alawad is a forty five year old Sudanese
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Speaker 2: born bloke and he's one of one hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: nine immigration detainees released after that High Court ruling known
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Speaker 2: as enz y Q. It costs two senior Albanezi ministers
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Speaker 2: their jobs this week as they were completely unprepared for
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Speaker 2: what happened if they lost that High Court case, which
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Speaker 2: of course led to the release of murderers, rapists and
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Speaker 2: child molesters all out in the community, most of them unmonitored.
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Speaker 2: It was one of the greatest examples of government incompetence
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Speaker 2: any of us have ever witnessed, with merely mouth ministers
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Speaker 2: saying well, nothing we can do. It's up to the courts.
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Speaker 2: So who is this bloke Eloward interviewed yesterday, or more importantly,
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Speaker 2: what's his background? As I said, I'll talk to the
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Speaker 2: reporter who did a great job on this, who tracked
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Speaker 2: him down in a moment. But run your pub test
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Speaker 2: ruler for me on this Friday over this little track record. Eliward,
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Speaker 2: by the way, was freed on bail this week, and
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Speaker 2: we'll have more on Victorian bail laws coming up. He
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Speaker 2: was freed on bail by the Victorian Supreme Court on Monday. Now,
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Speaker 2: this despite, as our guests will explain and explained in
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Speaker 2: the ods yesterday, racking up two hundred and eight let
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Speaker 2: me repeat that, two hundred and eight criminal charges, including
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Speaker 2: eighteen convictions, four possessing weapons and a string of violent
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Speaker 2: assaults and breaching curfews. Asked about getting bail, he said, quote,
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Speaker 2: I feel proud, I feel amazing, I feel like I'm
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Speaker 2: born new. You wonder how the assault victims feel. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: he was given by by the Supreme Court judge Michael Croutcher,
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Speaker 2: who clearly had his reasons for doing so. But I
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Speaker 2: raised this because the Victorian justice system is under intense
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Speaker 2: pressure over bail laws, especially when applied to violent child criminals. Now,
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Speaker 2: yesterday in State Parliament, the Allen led state government blocked
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Speaker 2: an opposition bill to strengthen those same bail laws. And
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Speaker 2: guess what, well, they're still pressing ahead with a mad
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Speaker 2: idea to increase the age of criminal responsibility from ten
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Speaker 2: to twelve eventually to fourteen, and the bail laws will
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Speaker 2: not be changed. They were blocked by Labour, the Greens
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Speaker 2: and Independent and you can believe this in the face
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Speaker 2: of the crime stats that show a more than fifty
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Speaker 2: percent spike in youth crime committed by children ten and
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Speaker 2: eleven years old. But I know Labor, as I said,
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Speaker 2: and the Greens and a bloke sacked by the Labor
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Speaker 2: Party now sitting as an Independent, Darren Cheeseman, they all
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Speaker 2: voted against tougher bail restrictions. And it gets much worse.
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Speaker 2: As I've written online and in printing the Herald s Underday,
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Speaker 2: a seventeen year old that we can't name because of
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Speaker 2: his age, and who's been charged over the car accident
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Speaker 2: killed trainee doctor William Taylor has now been bailed not
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Speaker 2: once but twice after that accident. Or you have the
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Speaker 2: case of Ash good and murdered after a botched home
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Speaker 2: invasion back in January. One of the sixteen year old's
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Speaker 2: accused offenders of that crime was on bail at the time. Now,
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Speaker 2: I could go on and on for hours with examples.
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Speaker 2: Let's just simplify what's actually going on here. A year ago,
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Speaker 2: after heavy pressure from indigenous groups surrounding the issue in
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Speaker 2: castle of Indigenous teenagers and women, the hard left victory
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Speaker 2: in government dump laws relating to committing a crime while
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Speaker 2: you're out on bail. It's simple terms. In the past,
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Speaker 2: if you did that bang, you were locked up. But
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Speaker 2: the Alan government felt that that was too tough and
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Speaker 2: got rid of that law. The rest is history. You
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Speaker 2: reap what you're sow, and Melbourne now as the worst
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Speaker 2: youth crime wave in its history. So let's bring in
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Speaker 2: the journalists who quite brilliantly broke the story about the
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Speaker 2: criminal detainee being released on bail by the Victorian Supreme Court.
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Speaker 2: The Australians Mohammed Alfarez, Mohammed, thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: your time. As I mentioned just before, this guy's rap
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Speaker 2: sheet includes two hundred and eight criminal charges. He's got
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Speaker 2: eighteen convictions for possessing weapons, violent assault, and preaching curfews.
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Speaker 2: On top of that, he's breached bail conditions on twenty
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Speaker 2: two occasions. The prosecutors strongly approsed bail, but we use
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Speaker 2: most of the actually got out absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Steve Alawad was belled despite having twenty two breaches of
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Speaker 3: his curfew. Now, the prosecution strongly opposed his bell but
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Speaker 3: that didn't matter because he was only appearing before the
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Speaker 3: courtless time for breaching his curfew, and that's all that
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Speaker 3: mattered in front of the judge, which is why he's
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Speaker 3: been released into the community one more time.
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Speaker 2: It was a real insight into how he feels about
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Speaker 2: being released, and I commend you again for the piece
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Speaker 2: you wrote yesterday eLOAD just days after his release. Here's
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Speaker 2: what he had to say.
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Speaker 4: I think, bro, I feel amazing.
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Speaker 5: Fresh because a good release, all the.
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Speaker 2: You're happy about the Supreme Court happy, I'm happy.
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Speaker 6: I'm so happy.
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Speaker 7: Promise I'm from future is going to be happy.
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Speaker 2: Muhammed, do you do you buy his story about being reformed?
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Speaker 3: I mean I'd like to think so, Steve. I can
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Speaker 3: see why most people don't, but I hope he does.
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Speaker 2: What did he have to say about I mean, his
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Speaker 2: lengthy criminal past? I mean, how does he justify that?
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Speaker 3: I mean, he was somewhat incoherent when I was speaking
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Speaker 3: to him about his criminal past. But he did talk
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Speaker 3: about his you know, stealing groceries and his past drug habits,
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Speaker 3: and he talked about his mental health issues, which ultimately
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Speaker 3: he said led to him committing crimes.
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Speaker 2: He did point out.
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Speaker 3: His remorse though, which you know, he to stay out
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Speaker 3: of trouble. Whether he holds on to that, we'll have
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Speaker 3: to see, Steve.
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Speaker 2: I guess we all have to have a bigger heart
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Speaker 2: and hope that people can have a second opportunity. But
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Speaker 2: the problem with this is we've seen time and time
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Speaker 2: and time again when people are given a second opportunity,
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Speaker 2: they actually go out and commit more crimes. Now, I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying this bloke's going to do that, but he
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Speaker 2: doesn't fill me with great confidence. What's the local community
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Speaker 2: feel about this and his release?
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Speaker 3: Well, Steve, surprisingly he was actually really popular amongst his community.
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Speaker 3: All I had to do was go to a local
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Speaker 3: coffee shop, and I asked the first person I saw,
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Speaker 3: do you know where this man is? And they pointed
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Speaker 3: me straight to him. So he is quite liked in
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Speaker 3: his community, but there are some people that are quite
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Speaker 3: wary that he's out and about, you know, mingling in
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Speaker 3: the streets. But at large, Steve, I would say that
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Speaker 3: there are some people that do like him.
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Speaker 2: Do we know what his visa statuses right now? Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Initially he arrived in Australia on a humanitarian visa in
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Speaker 3: two thousand and six with his family. Now, since the
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Speaker 3: Department of Home Affairs canceled his visa on character grounds,
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Speaker 3: he was detained in immigration. And since the High Court's
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Speaker 3: ruling on indefinite detention and zaid Yq ruling, it made
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Speaker 3: it unlawful Steve to hold citizens that are on you know,
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Speaker 3: that don't have a current visa. They made it unlawful
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Speaker 3: for them to be held in immigration. And if there's
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Speaker 3: no real prospect for him to be removed from the country,
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Speaker 3: then he was released back into the community.
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Speaker 2: So he can't be sent back to Sedan.
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Speaker 3: No, not at that stage, Steve.
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Speaker 2: Has he got a job, income, other family here? Do
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 3: I know that he doesn't have a job provided to
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Speaker 3: him right now. He does have accommodation by a not
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Speaker 3: for profit organization and he has to attend a psychiatrist
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Speaker 3: regularly every week, I think. But who's paying for this?
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Speaker 3: Is that the taxpayers money? That's not very clear, Steve.
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Speaker 2: And he is fitted with an ankle bracelet.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's fitted with an ankle bracelet and he's got
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Speaker 3: a care a few I think until ten pm, he
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Speaker 3: told me. So when that comes off, I'm not sure.
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Speaker 3: But he is due to reappear in court next month
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Speaker 3: in August twenty so whether the court decides to issue
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Speaker 3: him another curfew or keep the ankle bracelet on him,
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Speaker 3: that's yet to be known, Steve.
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Speaker 2: I just wondered what Australian's watching us around the country
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Speaker 2: to night make of all of that. Muhammed, you did
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Speaker 2: a great job with that. Thanks for coming in and
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Speaker 2: clearing a few things up for us. Appreciate it. That's
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Speaker 2: Mohammed Alfaraz there from the Australian newspaper. I just don't
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Speaker 2: know does that pass the pub test? I mean, this
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Speaker 2: bloke's got one hundred and eight criminal convictions, he's been
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Speaker 2: armed with weapons. It just for me, does not pass
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Speaker 2: the pub test, and why can't he be sent back
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Speaker 2: to Sudan would be my question. Let's change focus now
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Speaker 2: the Middle East, where top Hamas leader Ismail Hanya was
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Speaker 2: assassinated in Tehran this week, just hours after the top
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Speaker 2: Hesblah commander Fuad Shukra was also killed. Now, these killings
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Speaker 2: are threatening to escalate what is obviously clearly a volatile
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Speaker 2: situation in the Middle East between Israel, Hamas and Lebanon.
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Speaker 2: For more, we're joined by professor Greg Barton from Deacon University.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you again, Greg. Let's start with the
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Speaker 2: Hamas leader, initially thought to have been killed by an airstripe,
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Speaker 2: and we now find out it was actually a hidden
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Speaker 2: bomb planted in his accommodation in Tehran two months ago.
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Speaker 2: That's extraordinary.
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Speaker 1: It is extraordinary.
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Speaker 8: It's not surprising for those who follow things that Israel
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Speaker 8: can operate deep in territories like Iran and the capital Tehran,
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Speaker 8: but it's still remarkable that the Islamic Revolutionary Guards, called
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Speaker 8: the heart of the regime, in their own secure guest
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Speaker 8: house where the the VIPs stay, allowed not only of
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Speaker 8: them to be planted, but remain undetected for possibly a
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Speaker 8: couple of months.
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Speaker 6: That's remarkable.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be one hell of a witch hunter,
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Speaker 2: isn't there Greg inside Iran to find out how the
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Speaker 2: hell that happened?
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Speaker 9: Yeah?
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Speaker 8: I think you make a good point, Steve. I mean
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Speaker 8: one reaction here is I mean Iran wants to say face.
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Speaker 8: The regime wants to save face. But I think that
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Speaker 8: will begin at the very least with purging whoever they
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Speaker 8: claim as responsible, though you know, pity those who end
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Speaker 8: up in the line a fire of that inquiry, even
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Speaker 8: even if you know it's not a place where you
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Speaker 8: see transparent justice done.
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Speaker 6: So they'll be trying to say face.
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Speaker 8: They then have to, of course think about how they
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Speaker 8: respond externally, which is trickier.
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Speaker 2: So what is our understanding of what the Iranians might do.
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Speaker 2: They have vowed to hit back Netanya, who said he's
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Speaker 2: ready for whatever might come. What capacity does Iran have
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Speaker 2: to attack Israel? And how might that manifest itself? Do
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Speaker 2: you think that is the.
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Speaker 8: Big question, Steve. Iran has considerable capacity in terms of
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Speaker 8: rockets and drones. Mind you, earlier this year, back in April,
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Speaker 8: it launched about argumentally with fair warning, and Israel was
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Speaker 8: able to shoot down pretty much all of them then
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Speaker 8: responded itself in a very symbolic way. We hope that's
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Speaker 8: the sort of symbolic level of response this time around,
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Speaker 8: because we do know that Iran and Israel have this
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Speaker 8: in common that they don't want a full scale war,
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Speaker 8: at least the two countries, the two regimes, don't Dettanyahu
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Speaker 8: that attempted to try and get up to the limit
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Speaker 8: with a conflict because it may advantage in politically, but
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Speaker 8: it's not an Israel's interest, not in Tehran's interest. One
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Speaker 8: option for them is to go through proxies. I mean
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Speaker 8: the Hutis are their proxy, I mean not completely beholden
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Speaker 8: to them, but certainly only able to do what they
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Speaker 8: do because of Iranian support and very active in the
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Speaker 8: Red Sea.
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Speaker 6: As we know.
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Speaker 8: What hasn't been activated so far in terms of proxy
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Speaker 8: responses is his Bola. I mean, there's been symbolic exchanges.
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Speaker 8: Given as you said, the military head of Isbela was
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Speaker 8: taken out in Israeli s what appears to be in
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Speaker 8: Israeli strike, it would sort of make sense for Israel
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Speaker 8: to say to his Bola, Okay, now you've got to
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Speaker 8: lift the game. That sort of takes the risk off
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Speaker 8: Tehran's regime directly, and everyone involved assumes they can avoided
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Speaker 8: all out war. But of course that's where the risk lies.
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Speaker 2: Israel hasn't claimed responsibility for the Tehran assassination. Why not
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Speaker 2: They normally pretty to put their hand up when they
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Speaker 2: take out a leader of that seniority.
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Speaker 8: Well, Israel certainly has a track record of taking out
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Speaker 8: Hamas leaders amongst others, and for some hits that're very
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Speaker 8: happy to claim it. For others, plausible deniability works to
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Speaker 8: their advantage because long as you can't sort of prove
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Speaker 8: who did it, it makes a different calculus in terms
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Speaker 8: of how you respond times of Israeli's reporting on this,
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Speaker 8: and including the details we just discussed. You know, I
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Speaker 8: don't think anyone expects in Israel outside that it wasn't
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Speaker 8: the Israelis, But it's plausible that this was in fact
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Speaker 8: a hit by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps against somebody
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Speaker 8: who was ostensibly their friend and ally, but for whom
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Speaker 8: they may be personal grievance. So, I mean, plausible deniability
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Speaker 8: has its own advantage. It sort of lowers the stakes
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Speaker 8: to some extent.
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Speaker 2: So what do you really think might happen next. I
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Speaker 2: mean I've spoken to you four or five times in
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Speaker 2: the last six months, and we talk about an expansion
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Speaker 2: of the conflict. Well, the conflict really has expanded, hasn't it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you've got the front with HEZBLA in Lebanon,
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Speaker 2: You've got obviously what's still going on in Gaza, You've
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Speaker 2: got the Hoodi rebels, as you said in the Red Sea.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how much worse could it.
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Speaker 8: Get or we could get We're going to have a
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Speaker 8: regional war, Steve with with you know, nuclear powered states
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Speaker 8: involved a nuclear weapons states, and certainly with states like
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Speaker 8: Iran who want to be a nuclear state, but certainly
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Speaker 8: have the ability to launch very devastating, long range, fairly
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Speaker 8: accurate missiles. So it could get incredibly much worse. I
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Speaker 8: at this stage remained cautious of batistic. I hope we're
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Speaker 8: back where we're back in April, and that a symbolic
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Speaker 8: exchange is enough. The biggest problem for the Islamic Revolutionary
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Speaker 8: Guards called regime in Tehran is embarrassment. I don't know
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Speaker 8: that they are going to be devastated by the loss
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Speaker 8: of Ismahania. You know, there's complex issues there, but the
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Speaker 8: embarrassment of a big done in their territory. That's something
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Speaker 8: they don't want to try and save face on. They
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Speaker 8: certainly don't want in all out war. Neither does israel
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Speaker 8: I mean who, as I said, would like to toy
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Speaker 8: with it for political reasons, but he doesn't want to
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Speaker 8: get caught up one either.
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Speaker 2: We saw today that report by Mark Binsken into the
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Speaker 2: drone struck that killed the Australian aid worker zombie Frankom
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Speaker 2: in Gaza confirmed that the incident was quote a grave mistake.
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Speaker 2: The IDF's own report concluded the same. What impact is
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Speaker 2: this likely to have on Australia's relationship with Israel? I?
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Speaker 2: Watched Penny Wong today very carefully. I still get a
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Speaker 2: sense that, you know, Penny Wong is very much of
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Speaker 2: the view that the Ghazan conflict should stop immediately, regardless
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Speaker 2: she says she wants the hostages back, but seems to
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Speaker 2: be being sitting there with making arguments from both sides
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Speaker 2: of the fence. What do you think is going to
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Speaker 2: happen here?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Steph, I mean this sort of price was factored
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Speaker 8: in long ago, so the announcement today is significant.
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Speaker 6: But there's a couple of things here, you.
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Speaker 8: Know, One is that I think Penny Wong's not not
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Speaker 8: all alone in wanting the conflict in Gaza to cease.
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Speaker 8: Most people who look at with concern at what could
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Speaker 8: happen with Hisbola and Lebanon think that cutting the Gaza conflict,
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Speaker 8: getting some sort of ceasefire is a way to flick
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Speaker 8: a circuit breaker on that. I know that there is
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Speaker 8: a more complex relationship. But people who say that, including
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Speaker 8: the Foreign Minister herself, are not saying that Israel shouldn't
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Speaker 8: deal with Hamas and neutralize the threat posed by Hermas.
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Speaker 8: Nor are they saying that Hamas should be allowed to
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Speaker 8: remain in the Gaza strip. The trouble is, and this
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Speaker 8: goes back to what the idea of his admitting this
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Speaker 8: war has been dreadful for them. They're suffering trauma from
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Speaker 8: the horrible Hamas terrorist attack of October seventh.
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Speaker 1: But also discipline with soldiers and.
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Speaker 8: The way things are being played out on the ground
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Speaker 8: in Gaza, which is partly the fault of political leadership,
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Speaker 8: but also partly the fauld of idea of itself is
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Speaker 8: not going well. They've they've diminished Hamasa's ability to fire
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Speaker 8: rockets they've you know, certainly killed a lot of her
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Speaker 8: mask fighters, but her masss is by no means out
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Speaker 8: of the game. You know, in particular, Jajya Senoa, the
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Speaker 8: military leader in Gaza, is still presenmly in an underground
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Speaker 8: tunnel somewhere. If they could kill him, that would give
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Speaker 8: them a grands for saying with a mission accomplished. Perhaps
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Speaker 8: that's the reason for going after an easy target like Smahania.
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Speaker 8: But the reality is the war in Gaza hasn't gone
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Speaker 8: well for the IDF. Of course, it's been a terrible
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Speaker 8: human tragedy for everyone, particularly the people of Gaza. But
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Speaker 8: this means that the IDEF is not in a position
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Speaker 8: where it can be confident about dealing with his buller
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Speaker 8: in Lebanon. It's really in a terrible state. It's also fatigued.
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Speaker 8: I mean, people have been spending long tours of duty.
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Speaker 8: There's been a lot of idea of fighters and others
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Speaker 8: killed or wounded. It's you know, it's it's a it's
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Speaker 8: a half time and the political situation makes everyone anxious
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Speaker 8: and concerned. So to say that it should be some
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Speaker 8: way of finding a ceasefire is not to say that
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Speaker 8: this problem is solved or that it shouldn't continue to
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Speaker 8: be dealt with. But you know, the current situation isn't
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Speaker 8: working very well. And that's one reason for cautious optimism,
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Speaker 8: by the way, about the hope that things don't escalate
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Speaker 8: with his BELA, because when you do the calculations are
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Speaker 8: surely the leaders of IDF and the intelligence agencies do
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Speaker 8: they know that this could end pretty horribly. It went
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Speaker 8: badly wrong in nineteen eighty two when they leads each
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Speaker 8: to Beirut and that gave rise to his BLA.
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Speaker 6: They were fighting in Plo at the time.
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Speaker 8: It ended badly when they tried to defeat his BLA
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Speaker 8: in two thousand and six and Southern Lebanon, only for
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Speaker 8: his BOLLA to survive and today to be much stronger
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Speaker 8: than it was in two thousand and six because of
20:47
Speaker 8: Iranian support. So they understand full well that there's just
20:51
Speaker 8: no easy answers here.
20:54
Speaker 2: No easy answers. Chris Greg Barton. It was a pleasure
20:57
Speaker 2: to catch up and you thanks very much for helping
20:58
Speaker 2: us out. And now still ahead, another airline collapse threatens
21:01
Speaker 2: to cut off regional Queensland. That would be a disaster.
21:04
Speaker 2: We'll have more on that with former Premier of Queensland
21:06
Speaker 2: Campbell Newman and our Friday Night regular shortly plus Labor
21:10
Speaker 2: and the Greens in Victoria. As I told you've teamed
21:13
Speaker 2: up to block a vital bail reform bill and just
21:16
Speaker 2: center Allen looks to raise the age of criminal responsibility.
21:20
Speaker 2: How stupid more would Shadow Police spokesman Brad Baton up next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Steve Price. Great to have you with us
21:30
Speaker 2: on this Friday night, end of another week. Now Victoria
21:33
Speaker 2: and I'll go Olympics shortly. We're talked about Cunningham in Paris,
21:36
Speaker 2: but Victoria and Melbourne especially is in the middle of
21:39
Speaker 2: what you can only describe as a youth crime wave
21:43
Speaker 2: and a bail crisis of the government's own making. Now.
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Speaker 2: As I said at the top of the program, a
21:48
Speaker 2: year ago, the Andrews Allen government, under pressure from indigenous
21:52
Speaker 2: rights groups, decided to soften the bail laws and the
21:55
Speaker 2: changes went through Parliament this year. So they put the
21:58
Speaker 2: changes up in a bill last year. They were passed
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Speaker 2: this year. Put simply a twenty thirteen change that basically
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Speaker 2: meant if you reoffended while you're out on bail, you
22:08
Speaker 2: didn't get bail again. Now, this was seen by the
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Speaker 2: Attorney General Jacqueline Simes as affecting inordinately indigenous offenders, especially women.
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Speaker 2: She said that herself in the statement that she made
22:21
Speaker 2: the ministerial statement when these changes were made. Now on
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Speaker 2: the ground, the result has been a revolving door of
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Speaker 2: bail and a youth crime explosion. Now for more, I'm
22:32
Speaker 2: joined by Shadow Polase spokesman Brad Batten. We've talked him
22:34
Speaker 2: about this before. Brad, your colleague Michael O'Brien tried to
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Speaker 2: fix this issue with a private members bill this week.
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Speaker 10: What happened well, Michael brought that into the Victorian Parliament
22:45
Speaker 10: and as we've seen, it is a chaotic parliament right
22:48
Speaker 10: at the moment because the government won't listen.
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Speaker 1: But they actually voted against it.
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Speaker 10: So backbenches, front benches, everybody from the Labor Party sided
22:55
Speaker 10: with those people who have been getting bail and committing crimes.
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Speaker 10: What our view was, it's time time we start siding
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Speaker 10: with the victims. We've seen too often where people are
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Speaker 10: dying on the streets because of people who are offending
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Speaker 10: whilst on bail. We've seen a car accident recently where
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Speaker 10: a person was killed and the driver at seventeen got bail.
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Speaker 1: We've seen Ash Gordon was killed in Victoria.
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Speaker 10: By people who were on bail, and Ash wasn't Unfortunately,
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Speaker 10: Ash wasn't the first one. There was another victim before
23:21
Speaker 10: that who's had plenty of time still recovering because of
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Speaker 10: the issues from those same offenders. Bail needs to be
23:28
Speaker 10: toughened up here. It's not about women, it's not about
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Speaker 10: Indigenous people, it's not about non Indigenous people. This is
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Speaker 10: solely the fact of bail is there for people who
23:37
Speaker 10: can go back out in the community and be safe.
23:38
Speaker 10: There's a cohort that can't. And it's really important that
23:41
Speaker 10: the laws are there to protect the community and those
23:44
Speaker 10: people that want to continue to offend shouldn't have the
23:46
Speaker 10: opportunity to come back out again.
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Speaker 2: I'll get onto the police action and the police attitudes
23:53
Speaker 2: this in the moment because I think Shane Patten said
23:55
Speaker 2: something very interesting on ABC radio last week early this week.
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Speaker 2: I want to go back, am I right back in
24:01
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, under the previous Liberal National Coalition government, the
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Speaker 2: bail laws were changed and the key change was that
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Speaker 2: if you are on bail and then you commit another offense,
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Speaker 2: then your bail is taken away from you and you
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Speaker 2: are stuck in remand is that my understanding? Is my understanding? Correct?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very close, Steve.
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Speaker 10: But what it is if when you get bail the
24:25
Speaker 10: first time, they're taking into consideration community safety, etc. When
24:29
Speaker 10: you come back in and you commit an indtable offense,
24:32
Speaker 10: so you come back into the system then to get
24:35
Speaker 10: bail again, the conditions for it are a lot tougher
24:38
Speaker 10: to get it. It's not no longer it's just almost
24:40
Speaker 10: a right to get it becomes you've got to prove
24:42
Speaker 10: that there's certain circumstances to get it.
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Speaker 1: If you do it a third.
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Speaker 10: Time, then it almost is impossible to get it. What
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Speaker 10: the government's done is because it's no longer an offense
24:50
Speaker 10: to commit an indoubtable offense whilst on bail, that means
24:53
Speaker 10: you don't move up that ranking, so you're always assessed
24:56
Speaker 10: on the first level of bail. What we're saying is
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Speaker 10: it needs to be streamed and so if you do
25:01
Speaker 10: continuously commit crimes, at the end of the day, we
25:03
Speaker 10: have to eventually say, even if it's not just community safety,
25:06
Speaker 10: if you keep breaking into people's houses and you're going
25:08
Speaker 10: to continue to do it.
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Speaker 1: Then you shouldn't be given bail.
25:11
Speaker 10: You should make sure you've got to fight at a
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Speaker 10: higher level before you get it out where community safety
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Speaker 10: is the priority.
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Speaker 2: Well, that brings me to the point Shane Patton made
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Speaker 2: on radio where he said that his task force knows
25:23
Speaker 2: a group of people and he talked about a group
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Speaker 2: in an age bracket that we're talking about here. You
25:30
Speaker 2: know eleven twelve year olds that are repeat offenders, and
25:33
Speaker 2: he named a number. He said there are I think
25:36
Speaker 2: it was eighty five or seventy five people who he
25:39
Speaker 2: knows are repeat offenders. So that's an actual list that
25:44
Speaker 2: the courts and the magistrates can have in front of them,
25:47
Speaker 2: but they keep letting these same people out.
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Speaker 10: It's really interesting. We had the debate on the Youth
25:53
Speaker 10: Justice Bill this week too. Steve and the government members,
25:56
Speaker 10: reading off the notes that are handed to them from
25:58
Speaker 10: the Department, continues say it's a small cohort of people
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Speaker 10: out there committing the same crimes. Well, if it's a
26:04
Speaker 10: small cohort of people, it'd be a lot easier to
26:06
Speaker 10: keep them off the street, put them into programs, to
26:09
Speaker 10: give them opportunities moving forward, give them the chances to
26:12
Speaker 10: be re educated while they're in there. I don't care
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Speaker 10: what it is when they go inside the system, but
26:17
Speaker 10: if we're only got a small cohort, why do we
26:19
Speaker 10: continue to boil them. Shane Patten's spoken about this before,
26:22
Speaker 10: He's asked for the strength of the bar laws.
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Speaker 1: The government won't do it.
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Speaker 10: And then this week they've introduced a Youth Justice Bill
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Speaker 10: which will actually go the opposite in this There's going
26:30
Speaker 10: to be a lot more changes coming through with the
26:32
Speaker 10: Youth Justice Bill unless we can get it amended, which
26:35
Speaker 10: will give.
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Speaker 1: More young people, particularly that rays.
26:38
Speaker 10: In the age we've spoken about more young people opportunity
26:41
Speaker 10: to get away with anything, including murder at certain ages.
26:44
Speaker 10: Whereas what we're saying is whilst we don't want kids
26:47
Speaker 10: in detention, that's not ever our real aim. Our aim
26:49
Speaker 10: is to give them the opportunities, and the court's the
26:51
Speaker 10: opportunity to put these kids in programs to give them
26:53
Speaker 10: a better chance moving forward. And the cohort that need
26:56
Speaker 10: to be locked up, then we have to use that system.
26:58
Speaker 10: But when they're in there, use that time to educate
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Speaker 10: them etc.
27:03
Speaker 2: Just briefly before you go, why did the opposition walk
27:06
Speaker 2: out a question time this week?
27:08
Speaker 10: Well, the minister can so the Premier continuously get to
27:11
Speaker 10: ask questions about the cer for me, you, she refuses
27:13
Speaker 10: to answer. We had twenty four questions in a row
27:16
Speaker 10: where the Premier refuses to answer to the community what
27:19
Speaker 10: she knew about corruption and sere for me you when
27:21
Speaker 10: she knew about it and why she did nothing about it,
27:24
Speaker 10: and eventually gets to a stage that us as a
27:26
Speaker 10: team have to stand up for Victorians and say if
27:28
Speaker 10: parliament's not working, there's effectively no use in being there.
27:31
Speaker 10: I was actually already asked to leave the Parliament the
27:34
Speaker 10: day before for the simple statement that I yelled out
27:37
Speaker 10: across the chamber when she said answering a question. I
27:40
Speaker 10: said to the Premier, you're not answering questions. It's not
27:43
Speaker 10: good enough, and the speaker threw me out. It's about
27:45
Speaker 10: time we stand up and say Parliament is there to
27:48
Speaker 10: answer the questions, so please answer them on behalf of Victorians,
27:51
Speaker 10: on what you know, when you knew, and what you've
27:53
Speaker 10: done about it when it comes to corruption in our state.
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Speaker 2: Bret Baton, thanks a lot. I'll talk to you again soon.
28:00
Speaker 2: Brad Baton, who is the opposition police spokesman. Let's bring
28:02
Speaker 2: in my Friday Night Regular Former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman
28:06
Speaker 2: Campbell always good to see you on Friday Night. Let's
28:09
Speaker 2: talk about airlines and this REX collapse. It's going to
28:13
Speaker 2: put a lot of pressure on regional parts of Queensland.
28:16
Speaker 2: In particular. REX appears to have made what looks like
28:20
Speaker 2: a fundamental mistake and decided to start fighting against Quantison
28:23
Speaker 2: Virgin on the biggest city routes. How reliant is regional
28:28
Speaker 2: Queensland on an airline like Rex.
28:32
Speaker 5: Look, they certainly are reliant on regional services. And I'm
28:36
Speaker 5: talking about communities like Rome and Charlivill, birds will Mount
28:39
Speaker 5: iSER And it's been a long standing practice of queens
28:43
Speaker 5: And governments my own, the current government and well before me,
28:48
Speaker 5: to provide a level of subsidy on these routes. And
28:51
Speaker 5: that goes back to times when they were serviced by
28:54
Speaker 5: the Queensland Government Railways and when those services were withdrawn
28:59
Speaker 5: there was a commit to a regular air service for
29:02
Speaker 5: all sorts of very good sound reasons. So I'm sure
29:06
Speaker 5: people in those communities are very worried. When I was Premier,
29:09
Speaker 5: the services were provided after a tender process to sort
29:13
Speaker 5: of attract that subsidy and I'm pretty sure cornislink in
29:17
Speaker 5: in those days, so part of the Corners group had
29:19
Speaker 5: some of those routes, and I certainly remember Virgin trying
29:22
Speaker 5: hard to secure some of them. So my hope would
29:25
Speaker 5: be that, irrespective what happens with Rex, that there will
29:29
Speaker 5: be an airline that steps up. Frankly it might be
29:32
Speaker 5: the taxpayers of Queensland though who might be the ones
29:35
Speaker 5: feeling it in the hip pocket?
29:40
Speaker 2: Yeah? I suspect the FEDS might chuck some money in
29:42
Speaker 2: there as well, but we need to look after those
29:44
Speaker 2: regional centers. Look, I spoke with Brad Batton just then
29:47
Speaker 2: about the trouble of the Premier down here is having
29:49
Speaker 2: with the cfm U. Stephen Miles, also copying flak, The
29:53
Speaker 2: union was blamed for delaying the reopening of Brisbane's Ecker
29:57
Speaker 2: train station, meaning it's not going to be ready for
29:59
Speaker 2: the e How crazy is this? He says, you'll push
30:02
Speaker 2: through legislation to place the Queensland branch of the CFMU
30:06
Speaker 2: and administration. He's drag kicking and screaming to do this
30:10
Speaker 2: with the election just around the corner. Will he do it? Oh?
30:15
Speaker 1: Look, he might do that.
30:16
Speaker 5: Well, I properly probably will for the optics of it,
30:18
Speaker 5: but I say big woop. I mean in the twenty
30:21
Speaker 5: fifteen election campaign, Steve, I think I've said it on
30:24
Speaker 5: the show of four a few weeks ago. I made
30:28
Speaker 5: the link between the bikys, the organized crime criminals and
30:32
Speaker 5: the CFMEU and basically donations going to the Labor Party
30:36
Speaker 5: then opposition leader Palachet poo perditt. I was castigated by
30:41
Speaker 5: a lot of people in the media.
30:43
Speaker 2: I think the.
30:44
Speaker 5: Record now shows that I was sort of ringing the
30:47
Speaker 5: warning bell on this whole issue. So Miles should be
30:50
Speaker 5: calling a royal commission into them. And if he's not
30:54
Speaker 5: prepared to do that, there's a standing commission of inquiry
30:57
Speaker 5: up here called the Crime and Misconduct Commission. They were
31:00
Speaker 5: certainly active in going after bikis when I was premier.
31:03
Speaker 5: I don't know why they don't do that these days,
31:05
Speaker 5: and they'd be quite easily able to go after the
31:08
Speaker 5: c if EMMYU as well as to the premieres of
31:12
Speaker 5: saying the c if Emmy you had nothing to do
31:14
Speaker 5: with delays to the Ekka rail services with the station
31:18
Speaker 5: being complete, well, the Curer Males reported Steve, and I
31:21
Speaker 5: just get the number here eleven out of the last
31:23
Speaker 5: fifteen days in July were lost to industrial disputes. The
31:28
Speaker 5: delivery authority themselves had said this, so I think the
31:32
Speaker 5: premiers tried to have us on by saying it's not
31:34
Speaker 5: due to industrial action.
31:38
Speaker 2: And Queenslanders don't like anything that marks up the EKA, right,
31:42
Speaker 2: just clear that up for me.
31:45
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
31:46
Speaker 5: I mean, when our first born made her debut, Steve,
31:52
Speaker 5: my wife couldn't be couldn't wait to get our young girl,
31:56
Speaker 5: our baby to the ECHA and I just declare as
31:59
Speaker 5: I've said the past.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Lisa and I.
32:01
Speaker 5: Met at the ECA back in nineteen eighty seven, so
32:05
Speaker 5: it's very close to our heart. It's close to al
32:08
Speaker 5: queens Ane's heart.
32:09
Speaker 2: And being able to get.
32:10
Speaker 5: In by rail is very important for people across the region,
32:13
Speaker 5: people through to Ipshi's, people down to the Gold Coast,
32:16
Speaker 5: people north towards Kibultra and the like. So it's quite
32:21
Speaker 5: a hassle for people from the outer areas to get
32:24
Speaker 5: in without the rail service.
32:28
Speaker 2: Yeah. Pretty clearly the best regional rural show left in Australia.
32:32
Speaker 2: You spent a lot of time in the Brisbane CBD.
32:34
Speaker 2: I mean there's some data out showing vacancy rates in
32:38
Speaker 2: the CBD and Brisbane lowest level in over a decade
32:41
Speaker 2: at nine point five percent. But on the flip side,
32:44
Speaker 2: in Melbourne we've got the highest office vacancy rate in
32:47
Speaker 2: the nation at eighteen percent and it's killing city retail
32:52
Speaker 2: and hospitality businesses. Why the difference between the two cities,
32:56
Speaker 2: do you think?
32:58
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's due to the lock down legacy,
33:00
Speaker 5: if I can call it, that we did not have
33:03
Speaker 5: the coercive punitive over the top Daniel Andrew's regime up here,
33:10
Speaker 5: and I think people weren't smashed into the work from
33:14
Speaker 5: home thing. In contrast, Victorians were pounded into submission, and
33:19
Speaker 5: I think that work from home thing's been really embedded.
33:22
Speaker 5: And I think the CBD of Melbourne has suffered anyway.
33:27
Speaker 5: It's not got a nice feel about it now. And
33:30
Speaker 5: I guess my final point, I've said this on your
33:32
Speaker 5: show before, victorious suffering economically. I mean the message has
33:37
Speaker 5: been sent by the premiere, the former premier and now
33:40
Speaker 5: the current premiere that business is going to be taxed,
33:43
Speaker 5: it's going to be used as a milchcow, and people
33:45
Speaker 5: are voting with their feet and so people aren't starting
33:48
Speaker 5: new enterprises. They're not going out looking for off a
33:51
Speaker 5: space and when new stock comes on the market, there's been.
33:55
Speaker 1: A bit I've got to acknowledge that.
33:57
Speaker 5: Then you know, you start to see you are a
34:00
Speaker 5: huge rising in the vacancy rates and they're coming to
34:04
Speaker 5: Queensland mates, so and probably Sydney as well by the
34:08
Speaker 5: same toaken. So that's what's going on here.
34:11
Speaker 2: I'll give you one other reason why people are not
34:14
Speaker 2: getting up out of bed and going into the office.
34:16
Speaker 2: In Melbourne. It was five degrees this morning at seven
34:19
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. Queenslanders. Oh five degrees you've got
34:25
Speaker 2: the weather.
34:25
Speaker 5: Hey, hey, whoa whoa, whoa whoa way mate, we've had
34:29
Speaker 5: eight degrees seven point four degrees. We're getting pretty class.
34:33
Speaker 5: Come on, we've even beaten you some mornings this winter.
34:36
Speaker 2: There you go, it's a heatwave. Campbell Yimman. Thank you
34:41
Speaker 2: very much for spending time with us on a Friday night.
34:43
Speaker 2: I'll see you next Friday. Now still ahead. You won't
34:46
Speaker 2: believe the Australian city and I'm going to get in
34:49
Speaker 2: trouble with this. That has been the most beautiful city
34:52
Speaker 2: in the world. It certainly surprised me. And next We're
34:56
Speaker 2: live to Paris. Controversy surrounding the women's boxing and the
34:59
Speaker 2: soccer Who's One? Soccer who Great unleashes on the Matildas.
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Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back. Great to have you with us
35:09
Speaker 2: on this Friday night. Steve Price with you now. Football
35:12
Speaker 2: Australia has copped a huge backlash following the Matilda's disastrous
35:16
Speaker 2: Olympics campaign. Australian women's soccer team has suffered its worst
35:21
Speaker 2: Olympic result in over two decades, decimated by Germany, that
35:26
Speaker 2: strange game against Zambia and finally against the United States.
35:30
Speaker 2: The Stringer defeats really trip while they beat Zambia, but
35:33
Speaker 2: the other two games were a disaster. The coach has
35:36
Speaker 2: now gone Tony Gustafson has prompted some very widespread criticism.
35:40
Speaker 2: Now I've got a lot of regard for former soccer
35:43
Speaker 2: Who's Great Robbie Slater. He was in the News Limited Tabloids,
35:48
Speaker 2: Today Day Telegraph herold Son and he wrote that Football
35:51
Speaker 2: Australia has only themselves to blame, saying this the way
35:56
Speaker 2: the squad was pampered was embarrassing and probably part of
36:00
Speaker 2: the reason they performed so badly. The millions of dollars
36:04
Speaker 2: spent will also impact on the ability to help coaches
36:07
Speaker 2: prepare players to the level needed. Even the players themselves
36:10
Speaker 2: have hit out at FA's coach Gustafson, calling his reign
36:15
Speaker 2: a quote disorganized chaos and four years of help. Let's
36:19
Speaker 2: bring in sky News correspondent Matt Cunningham has been doing
36:22
Speaker 2: a fabulous job in Paris for Skype. Matt, there's been
36:26
Speaker 2: concern about the Matilda's. You know, they've had a lot
36:29
Speaker 2: of support locally during the World Cup. What happened in
36:32
Speaker 2: France was a mitigate, unmitigated disaster. You're surprised how quickly
36:38
Speaker 2: the coach has been let go and how brutal some
36:41
Speaker 2: of the criticisms been against him.
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Speaker 7: Well, not really given the performance that we saw here
36:49
Speaker 7: in Paris over the past week, Steve, it has been
36:52
Speaker 7: an unmitigated disaster. As you say from the Matilda's, I
36:55
Speaker 7: mean the loss to Germany was bad enough. I actually
36:57
Speaker 7: think the game against Zambia that they won was probably
37:01
Speaker 7: the worst performance of all. For sixty minutes they were
37:03
Speaker 7: completely outplayed by a nation ranked well below US. Zambia
37:07
Speaker 7: led five to two and the Matildas were lucky to.
37:09
Speaker 2: Get over the line.
37:10
Speaker 7: They won that game six five and there was an
37:12
Speaker 7: own goal conceded by Zambia that left Australia in the
37:15
Speaker 7: position where they needed to beat the United States in
37:17
Speaker 7: their last game to get through, and they couldn't.
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Speaker 2: You know.
37:21
Speaker 7: Robbie Slater has not missed with this column that's in
37:24
Speaker 7: the news court papers today. He is a man who
37:26
Speaker 7: does not mince his words, and I think he said
37:28
Speaker 7: what a lot of people are saying Steve the the Matilda's.
37:34
Speaker 7: I think there is a view that they sort of
37:36
Speaker 7: let all of the fame and all of the publicity
37:38
Speaker 7: go to their heads at some level. You know, there
37:41
Speaker 7: were reports that coming out weeks before the Olympics that
37:45
Speaker 7: you know, they were really being pampered, that they had,
37:49
Speaker 7: you know, people who were folding up their clothes for them.
37:52
Speaker 7: Robbie Slater reports today that Football Australia flew twenty staff
37:56
Speaker 7: over here business class for this Olympic. Of I know
38:00
Speaker 7: that Matilda's has been a cash cow for Football Australia.
38:03
Speaker 7: They've certainly been milking it for all it's worth. But
38:06
Speaker 7: I think what this last week has shown is that
38:09
Speaker 7: there's no replacement for hard work and a lot of
38:11
Speaker 7: questions being asked now about whether the coach was the
38:14
Speaker 7: right man for the job, because the Matildas looked really
38:16
Speaker 7: disorganized through all three of those games, particularly in defense,
38:20
Speaker 7: and also about whether the Matilda's wanted this enough, whether
38:23
Speaker 7: they worked hard enough, or whether their minds might have
38:25
Speaker 7: been on other things.
38:28
Speaker 2: Matt, let's turn our attention to boxing. The IOC under
38:31
Speaker 2: tremendous pressure. Here got the Italian boxer Angela Cararini left
38:37
Speaker 2: in t She had a nose splattered all over her
38:39
Speaker 2: face fighting against this Algerian Imane Keliff. Now this all
38:45
Speaker 2: comes down to gender identification. The passport says he's a female,
38:50
Speaker 2: but the genetic test so she's genetically male. This is
38:55
Speaker 2: huge news right around the world. How much news is
38:57
Speaker 2: it making there in Paris?
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Speaker 7: I think there's no doubt this has become the biggest
39:03
Speaker 7: story of the Olympic Games. Steve, this is a massive
39:06
Speaker 7: controversy that is taking place. It was already bubbling along
39:10
Speaker 7: before the events of yesterday, but he went to a
39:13
Speaker 7: whole new level after the Italian champion, Angela Kareni withdrew
39:17
Speaker 7: from that About forty six seconds was all she lasted.
39:20
Speaker 7: She copped a blow to the faith. She thinks she
39:22
Speaker 7: suffered a broken nose, and then she said that really
39:25
Speaker 7: it was the hardest she's ever been hit. She thought
39:28
Speaker 7: she might die. I was out there at the boxing yesterday.
39:31
Speaker 7: We saw Angela Karini. She walked out of the arena.
39:34
Speaker 7: I saw her yesterday afternoon walking around outside of that
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Speaker 7: venue and she looked absolutely distraught. Steve, and now all
39:41
Speaker 7: hell has broken loose. We've seen everyone from JK Rowling
39:44
Speaker 7: to Martina navrad Aloba way in on this issue. Navadloba
39:48
Speaker 7: has called the actions of the International Olympic Committee deplorable.
39:52
Speaker 7: We're actually about to hear from the IOC. They're holding
39:54
Speaker 7: a news conference in about ten minutes time. It's going
39:57
Speaker 7: to be on for young and old at that event.
39:58
Speaker 7: I think it's fair to say, because a lot of
40:00
Speaker 7: questions are being asked about why this boxer and another
40:04
Speaker 7: from Taiwan, who also failed a similar test at the
40:07
Speaker 7: World Championships last year where they were found to have
40:10
Speaker 7: had elevated levels of testosterone, why they've been allowed to
40:14
Speaker 7: compete at these Olympics, especially given there are a lot
40:17
Speaker 7: of concerns raised by female boxes ahead of this event.
40:21
Speaker 7: Those concerns have really crescendoed. Now there is a roar
40:25
Speaker 7: of disapproval for the IOC's decision, and I think we're
40:28
Speaker 7: going to hear a lot more about this story, Steve
40:30
Speaker 7: in the next twenty four hours.
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Speaker 2: The other big story, of course, is this doubt around
40:36
Speaker 2: the Chinese swimmer Pan freestyle world record, and an Australian
40:41
Speaker 2: swimming coach has really called into question how this is possible.
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Speaker 9: Have a listen here, and the thing with the one
40:48
Speaker 9: hundred freestyle is there's a cost and effect of what
40:51
Speaker 9: you do in that race. If you go out fast,
40:53
Speaker 9: it's going to cost you at the end of the race.
40:54
Speaker 9: If you go out slow, you may have something to
40:57
Speaker 9: bring it back. And Pans only from China was pulling
41:00
Speaker 9: away from these two guys. He was actually gaining distance
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Speaker 9: on them in the second fifty after going out faster
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Speaker 9: than any human in history. It makes no sense to
41:09
Speaker 9: be able to go out that fast and come home
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Speaker 9: and pull away from two of the greatest swimmers in history.
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Speaker 2: Matt that was Bret Hawk. He made it very clear
41:19
Speaker 2: that there is a shadow over this victory by Pan.
41:23
Speaker 2: What's the Australian swimming team saying about.
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Speaker 7: This, If anything, Well, they're not saying anything officially. I
41:30
Speaker 7: think Kyle Chalmers has been pretty graceful over the past
41:33
Speaker 7: twenty four hours, especially considering the reported comments that Pan
41:37
Speaker 7: made to Chinese TV basically having a go at Charmers
41:40
Speaker 7: and saying that he's basically been really ignoring him ahead
41:46
Speaker 7: of this competition. I mean, I think it was a
41:48
Speaker 7: great swim from Charmers. I think that's what we need
41:51
Speaker 7: to consider here. He was coming eighth at the turney
41:54
Speaker 7: he turned. He finished second. But as for Pan, well,
41:56
Speaker 7: it's either the greatest performance in Olympic swimming history or
42:00
Speaker 7: it's a performance that's raising some questions. And I think
42:03
Speaker 7: there's plenty of the ladder going on at the moment.
42:05
Speaker 7: Someone actually likened it to Usain Bolt, you know, running
42:08
Speaker 7: one hundred meters in eight seconds, So you know, I
42:11
Speaker 7: think we're going to hear more about this one as well.
42:12
Speaker 7: It's been interesting the Americans have really been leading the
42:15
Speaker 7: charge on this one rather than the Australians when it
42:17
Speaker 7: comes to questioning the performance of the Chinese swimmers and
42:22
Speaker 7: also questioning the performance of WADA and whether they have
42:26
Speaker 7: been adequately doing the testing that's required. I was at
42:29
Speaker 7: a news conference with Katie Ladecki, the American champion, just
42:33
Speaker 7: a few days ago, and she was saying, well, are
42:35
Speaker 7: they being tested out of competition? We know that they're
42:38
Speaker 7: tested here in competition. She's saying, is the thorough, rigorous
42:42
Speaker 7: testing that American swimmers are subjected to that Australian swimmers
42:45
Speaker 7: are subjected to out of competition? Is that being done
42:48
Speaker 7: with the Chinese as well? So, I mean before the
42:51
Speaker 7: boxing came along, it was probably the biggest story, the
42:53
Speaker 7: biggest controversy of these games. But I think it's probably
42:56
Speaker 7: been superseded now Steve, but still massive issue and a
43:01
Speaker 7: source of great tension as well, all between the Ioic
43:04
Speaker 7: and particularly the United States.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon Kyle might end up with a retrospective
43:10
Speaker 2: gold medal. Matt, you're doing a fabulous job there in Paris.
43:12
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Have a good weekend in the
43:15
Speaker 2: Olympic Games. You're doing a great job. Olympics have been
43:18
Speaker 2: fantastic and Matt's doing a wonderful job covering them for us.
43:21
Speaker 2: That's a sane river question. Also still there about swimming
43:24
Speaker 2: in it. Next though, questions over the Albaneze's government to
43:28
Speaker 2: build soul up panels in Australia plus no surprise, the
43:31
Speaker 2: most beautiful city in the world is right here in
43:34
Speaker 2: at one of them is right here in Australia. But
43:36
Speaker 2: which city may take you by surprise? We'll have that
43:39
Speaker 2: with the panel up next. Steep Price with you on
43:45
Speaker 2: this Friday. Denika de Giorgio coming up next to to
43:48
Speaker 2: bring in our Friday Night panel, Sky One News contributor
43:50
Speaker 2: Gary Hargrave and Small Business Women Australia founder Amanda Rose.
43:54
Speaker 2: Great to see you both again. Now I'm about to
43:57
Speaker 2: get myself in serious trouble with my wonderful mother, who's
44:02
Speaker 2: going to turn ninety in November. She lives in Adelaide.
44:06
Speaker 2: I was born in Adelaide. I'm an Adelaide boy. Yes,
44:10
Speaker 2: we will celebrate that later in the year. Architectural Digest
44:13
Speaker 2: magazine Amanda has named Adelaide the most beautiful, one of
44:17
Speaker 2: the most beautiful cities in the world. Now, I'd call
44:21
Speaker 2: Adelaide livable, not beautiful. What do you think? Have you
44:25
Speaker 2: ever been there?
44:26
Speaker 11: I have, I've been there a few times. I was
44:28
Speaker 11: there recently actually speaking at a Master Builders Association event.
44:31
Speaker 11: I think it's a beautiful place, but I think also
44:34
Speaker 11: it is peaceful When you walk around Adelaide, it has
44:38
Speaker 11: a very different feel to it as its sister city Melbourne.
44:43
Speaker 11: For example, Adelaide is beautiful. I love the buildings. The
44:47
Speaker 11: people are absolute delight and I think that's what people underestimate.
44:51
Speaker 11: It's the people in a location that actually actually makes
44:55
Speaker 11: it feel welcoming and calm, and it is very different
44:59
Speaker 11: to look by.
45:01
Speaker 2: Sydney is number one.
45:02
Speaker 11: I will say that because I live in Sydney, but
45:04
Speaker 11: I'd say Adelaide's number two.
45:06
Speaker 2: In my book, Gary, that's not going to go down
45:10
Speaker 2: well with you. You'd have Brisbane one, maybe Sydney too. Adelaide
45:14
Speaker 2: would probably be three. Mate.
45:18
Speaker 12: I like Adelaide for a couple of reasons, and all
45:20
Speaker 12: of them are wineries. There's four great wine growing districts
45:23
Speaker 12: within an hour or so with the CBD and South Australia. Generally,
45:27
Speaker 12: I love one bottle at a time. But look, look,
45:30
Speaker 12: it is a lovely city. I love the way they've
45:32
Speaker 12: damned the torrents, control the water flow and done some
45:35
Speaker 12: really good things. I think Brisbane actually could learn a
45:37
Speaker 12: little bit about how to control the creeks and waterways
45:39
Speaker 12: and turn them into picturesque parks. But don't discount Perth.
45:43
Speaker 12: I think Perth and what they've done in the city
45:46
Speaker 12: of Perth with Basil and his team there, I think
45:49
Speaker 12: is just magnificent all around, up the stadium and so forth.
45:52
Speaker 12: I think Perth is really quite magnificent. But Sydney is
45:57
Speaker 12: the world city of Australia. At Brisbane stuff the pick
46:00
Speaker 12: up its act and looking good too.
46:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, Melbourne's not getting much love. I noticed it, and
46:06
Speaker 2: for good reason because at the moment it's a bit
46:08
Speaker 2: of a dump. Now, speaking of Melbourne Victorian Parliament, this
46:12
Speaker 2: week's senior Labor MP Danny Pearson, he's got himself in
46:17
Speaker 2: strife today. He's taken a swipe at Opposition leader John
46:21
Speaker 2: Persudo today. Have a look at what he had to say.
46:24
Speaker 4: This was a pathetic little stunt by a shouty little man.
46:29
Speaker 4: I mean it was just honestly, like you sit there,
46:32
Speaker 4: no look, no one's paying attention to this bike, right,
46:35
Speaker 4: I mean this was just this was premeditated.
46:38
Speaker 2: You know.
46:38
Speaker 4: You could see them all sort of trapes into the
46:40
Speaker 4: party room before question time, all receive their orders from
46:43
Speaker 4: little Johnny.
46:46
Speaker 2: Now from a shouty little man, I'm qualified to comment
46:51
Speaker 2: on this. I think that's a bit rough, Amanda, don't you.
46:55
Speaker 11: Well, I don't believe in actually insulting the individual because
46:59
Speaker 11: then no one's listening to your point. So I think
47:02
Speaker 11: he's actually lost a few points with followers and he
47:05
Speaker 11: should be focusing on the policy.
47:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what do you make of that? Gary? I
47:13
Speaker 2: am a shouty little man. I'm probably president of the
47:16
Speaker 2: Shouty Little Men's fan club. To be honest.
47:20
Speaker 12: And Steve, you have the fundamental right to identify lustly,
47:23
Speaker 12: but look at.
47:23
Speaker 2: It as sizest.
47:25
Speaker 12: It is sexist and it's audienced. As far as I'm concerned,
47:29
Speaker 12: it's awful.
47:33
Speaker 2: Lots of question March now over the Albanezi government and
47:35
Speaker 2: this promised one billion dollar splurge of making more solar
47:39
Speaker 2: panels in Australia. Productivity Commission says the plan should be
47:42
Speaker 2: subject to tougher testing. Gary, what do you make of that?
47:47
Speaker 12: Well, look, it's a dumb plan for a lot of reasons.
47:50
Speaker 12: This dumb government can't produce enough electricity to make anything
47:54
Speaker 12: in Australia until I start to get call back into
47:56
Speaker 12: the system and increase more gas production. And consider you clear,
48:00
Speaker 12: I don't think we're going to be able to make
48:02
Speaker 12: anything here in the Productivity Commissions. Now out of the
48:05
Speaker 12: fallacy of this stupid government. Chris Bowen is ruining Australia
48:10
Speaker 12: the alban Ez. He is gutless and he's letting him
48:12
Speaker 12: do it. This is the Productivity Commission.
48:14
Speaker 2: Is right.
48:15
Speaker 12: That can't make stuff here anymore. We don't have cheap electricity, simple.
48:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we can't make stuff here because Amanda, we
48:23
Speaker 2: pay too much in wages. That's right, and.
48:26
Speaker 11: They're being very unrealistic that we can produce anything affordable
48:30
Speaker 11: in affordable manner. And also rushing is dangerous. You rush,
48:33
Speaker 11: any production of anything is bound to be dangerous activity
48:37
Speaker 11: or an injuries.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much both for joining us. Scary Hargrave,
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Speaker 2: Amanda Rose, it was a pleasure to catch up with
48:45
Speaker 2: you on a Friday. Coming up next, Janika di Giorgio,
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Speaker 2: have a good weekend.