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Selects: The Duality of Caffeine · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. It's your friendly neighborhood co host Charles W.
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  Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to take you back in time to January fourteenth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, when we spoke at length about caffeine and
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  Speaker 1: the ups literally and the downs literally. It's called the
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  Speaker 1: duality of caffeine. I hope you enjoy over your cup
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  Speaker 1: of coffee.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W.
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  Speaker 2: Chuck Bryant. Jerry's over there totally throwing us off with
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  Speaker 2: some new as you focus pocus, Yeah, twenty sixteen head stuff.
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  Speaker 2: What Yeah, Yeah, she's messing with it. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: So we you guys don't know this because, through the
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  Speaker 1: power of the magic of editing and publishing and publishing,
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  Speaker 1: you think we've just never been gone from the office.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we've been gone. I have no idea what
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  Speaker 2: episodes we released. I've been so out of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I took six weeks of paternity leave woo.
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  Speaker 2: And I did by proxy and you.
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  Speaker 1: Did by proxy. Yeah. So we've been gone from the
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  Speaker 1: studio for a while. And I just wanted to say
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  Speaker 1: it's glad to be back, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is nice to be back. Then, it's good
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  Speaker 2: to see you again. It's been a long time.
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  Speaker 1: What's happened in the In the meantime, I lost another tooth? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my stupid front the tooth next to the one that
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  Speaker 1: came out broke off at a Falcon's game.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well there you go. God was cursing you for
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  Speaker 2: being at the Falcons.
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  Speaker 1: So I have another stupid flipper and another eight months
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  Speaker 1: of eight months early, yeah, until I get the permanent implant.
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  Speaker 1: So again I'll be out on tour with no tooth.
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  Speaker 2: You can't even see it, like you have to literally
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  Speaker 2: like or your gums back, or your lips back to
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  Speaker 2: your gums.
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  Speaker 1: Or if I laugh a lot, which I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: just lead a more somber life.
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  Speaker 2: Well I plan on making you laugh a lot on
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  Speaker 2: stage so people might see it.
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  Speaker 1: Then what else? You got a dog?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a puppy named Momo. You want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about Momo? Momo is very sweet. She's a sweet
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  Speaker 2: little Shizu poodle mixture.
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  Speaker 1: How's that going.
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  Speaker 2: She's a little fluff ball, very good house trained or yes,
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  Speaker 2: good right off the bat. We crate trained her. At first,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, crates are mean now they put a
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  Speaker 2: dog and crane, And then I started to read up
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  Speaker 2: on it. It was like, yes, it's like her den.
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  Speaker 2: It's her little room, like her bedroom.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, when we took away the crate from our
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  Speaker 1: youngest dog, Charlie because of, uh, we needed a breakfast nook,
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  Speaker 1: she was kind of like, dude, you took my room away.
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  Speaker 2: That was my room. Yeah. We plan to keep her
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  Speaker 2: crate around, like as long as she wants it, sure,
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  Speaker 2: but just she won't be penned in it against her
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  Speaker 2: will at certain times until until she's house broken, which
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  Speaker 2: I mean she's basically there. It's just we're we're like,
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  Speaker 2: what are you doing? You're about to pee?
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  Speaker 1: You know, right right.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't actually have accidents in the house. We're just
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  Speaker 2: you know, staying on top of it.
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  Speaker 1: It's great. What else happened? We had holidays, yes, good Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: In the New Year's I guess Yumy's birthday.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it was just a nice time off.
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  Speaker 2: Like I had this big to do list, yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: none of it got done because it was raising a
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  Speaker 2: puppy replaced that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how's your kid? Ruby's great man and I did
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. I had a big to do list
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  Speaker 1: and found myself just kind of being like, well, I
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  Speaker 1: could you do this? Or I could just like play with.
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  Speaker 2: My kid, right, or watch Making a Murderer? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: did watch all that to do same here. Yeah, in
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  Speaker 2: like a day, we'll talk about that. Okay, we probably
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: People want us to do a podcast on that, I know,
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  Speaker 1: like a follow up.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it's not as bad as the requests to do
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  Speaker 2: a podcast on the case that Cereal covered, Like I
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  Speaker 2: think Cereal.
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  Speaker 1: Got that one cover. Oh of course, I could maybe
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  Speaker 1: do a follow up on Making of a Murder.
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  Speaker 2: I think we should revisit Exonerations in the Innocence Project
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  Speaker 2: again because when we did that one, we had no
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  Speaker 2: idea what was going on, and now it's really like
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  Speaker 2: it's really coming through true. So yes, let's do that.
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  Speaker 1: What ell oh, I've been playing a lot of uh
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  Speaker 1: I got a PS four. Oh yeah, I've been playing
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  Speaker 1: Fallout four.
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  Speaker 2: With the dog and their dog.
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  Speaker 1: Well you can have a dog companion, so of course
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  Speaker 1: I chose it. Okay, but it's really awful because the
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  Speaker 1: dog gets hurt a lot and like struggles around whimpering
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  Speaker 1: and bleeding.
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  Speaker 2: You have to put it out of its misery.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, you can heal the dog. But I went
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  Speaker 1: to message boards and everyone's like, don't heal your dog, Like,
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  Speaker 1: just trust me, it'll heal itself. Don't waste your medicine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, I'm sure you waste your medicine every time,
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  Speaker 2: don't you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's tough to hear the sake dog whip.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, oh, be okay, don't mind me.
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  Speaker 1: Dog meat that's his name.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a that was a big time off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we just covered it and that's all that happened.
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  Speaker 2: Jerry, how about you? That was great, Jerry. I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: you had a nice time as well.
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  Speaker 1: Jerry also had a nice break with her little baby
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  Speaker 1: in this.
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  Speaker 2: She told us this through a series of blinks she
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  Speaker 2: did that we've worked out over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, nice job, all right. So sorry about the long intro,
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  Speaker 1: but I felt like we needed to catch everyone up,
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  Speaker 1: even though you didn't know that you needed it, right,
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  Speaker 1: And maybe I had something to do with caffeine, because.
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  Speaker 2: We did such a good job when we recorded those
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  Speaker 2: ones that were released over the break of predicting things
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  Speaker 2: we would be talking about at the time. Yeah, who
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  Speaker 2: could tell exactly. So I'm a little caffeinated right now,
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  Speaker 2: believe it or not.
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  Speaker 1: What a shock.
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  Speaker 2: I don't drink nearly as much as coffee as I
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  Speaker 2: used to. Yeah, it's because I really realized, like it
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  Speaker 2: really does have a detrimental effect on my mood. Oh really,
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  Speaker 2: say in the car cars are really good example of
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  Speaker 2: me and caffeine.
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  Speaker 1: You're a little ramped up in the car anyway, so
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  Speaker 1: that probably didn't help.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'm working on that. But part of
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  Speaker 2: working on that is just, you know, not drinking as
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  Speaker 2: much coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think a good title for this could be
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  Speaker 1: mixed messages because in studying caffeine, and we did one
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  Speaker 1: on coffee, we dabbled in this a little bit, but
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  Speaker 1: all the research is, you know, caffeine, it can be
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  Speaker 1: really good for you and help a lot of things,
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  Speaker 1: and caffeine can be kind of bad for you, And
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of both or can be both.
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  Speaker 2: It sure seems like that unless we have like a
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  Speaker 2: completely misunderstood model of addiction and the parasympathetic or sympathetic
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  Speaker 2: nervous system. Unless we don't know those things. Then, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: coffee is both, for sure. The weird thing is, like
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  Speaker 2: everybody realizes that coffee, I'm sorry, caffeine. I think I'm
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  Speaker 2: probably gonna do that a lot in this episode. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because they are virtually interchangeable. Sure, but it's not really
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  Speaker 2: but caffeine it is. It has a lot of really
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  Speaker 2: bad effects on you, and a lot of people know
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  Speaker 2: that just from having a experienced it. You're right, it's
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  Speaker 2: the it's the beneficial effects that are so surprising. They
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  Speaker 2: do seem to like you say, agreed, So Chuck, I
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  Speaker 2: drink today. I've had five cups of coffee and Mount
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  Speaker 2: Die mountain dew.
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  Speaker 1: And it is one forty in the afternoon. Right, what
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  Speaker 1: time did you get up?
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  Speaker 2: Seven?
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  Speaker 1: Seven?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm counting on my fingers.
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  Speaker 1: Six and a half hours. You six and a half hours.
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  Speaker 1: You've had five cups of coffee in a mountain dew, right,
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  Speaker 1: and that's cutting back?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? Oh man, Yeah, And it's cutting back because I
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  Speaker 2: like this afternoon. I won't keep going, Oh so you stop?
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  Speaker 2: This is this will be my last probably really.
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  Speaker 1: For the day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And I'm actually I'm above average for the
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  Speaker 2: United States, and I could have guessed that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the average for the.
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  Speaker 2: United States is actually on the woos end of the
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  Speaker 2: spectrum as far as like caffeine consumption goes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I look, the latest information I got this that
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  Speaker 1: the US was sixteenth in the world in per capita consumption.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not even tenth or ninth or any anywhere above tenth.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, sixteenth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to know who leads the world right now,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the Netherlands, is what I found.
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  Speaker 2: I found Finland. Oh really, uh huh from twenty thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: That was the most recent I saw.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the most recent I saw said the Netherlands at
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  Speaker 1: two point four, with Finland at one point eight. But
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  Speaker 1: that is not what I saw. Really, Yeah, where were
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  Speaker 1: the Netherlands on your list?
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember. I just saw the that Finland was
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  Speaker 2: number one at like two point four oh wow, and
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  Speaker 2: like nine point six kilograms of coffee beans per person
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  Speaker 2: per year consumed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I bet the top ten is kind of interchangeable
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  Speaker 1: and fairly static though, sure, as in the Samish countries
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  Speaker 1: in different orders.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean coffee consumption patterns, I guess they
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  Speaker 2: could change fairly rapidly, but they don't change in the
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  Speaker 2: blink of an eye. Well, think about how much Starbucks
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  Speaker 2: change coffee consumption in this country?
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  Speaker 1: Did it ramp it up?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? Like think about how many people now swing
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  Speaker 2: by Starbucks are like three pm, whereas before they may
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  Speaker 2: not even have drank coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you mean Charbucks?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, actually have no skin in the game Starbucks. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know me, I don't drink caffeine that much.
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  Speaker 2: No, I know, I'm very mellow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I'm starting to think I should
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  Speaker 1: drink more coffee though. Why because of the health benefits?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, we'll see, we'll get into all that.
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  Speaker 1: But in the top ten you have a Netherlands, Finland, Sweden,
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  Speaker 1: in Mark, Germany, Scandinavia loves her coffee apparently, yeh, Slovakia, Serbia,
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  Speaker 1: Czech Republic, Poland, Norway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Than eventually the US.
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  Speaker 2: Cold countries not bad, although Brazil loves its coffee as well.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're like number ten or eleven or something
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: Good coffee. I didn't see they weren't even in my
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  Speaker 1: top sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: So we had different lists made by two different caffeinated weirdos.
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  Speaker 1: So the US, the FDA and the AMA Right now,
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  Speaker 1: I think they raised it to four hundred milligrams a
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  Speaker 1: day from three hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Just in that race of changing coffee consumption.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's now to four hundred milligrams a day,
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  Speaker 1: as they said, should be like the upper limit of
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  Speaker 1: what you should drink and what is cool to drink
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  Speaker 1: for your health, right, not by being cool. You could
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  Speaker 1: drink one hundred cups a day and you'd be super cool.
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  Speaker 2: Right, That's why I'd drink coffee so much. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: want to be cool. And so so what is that
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  Speaker 2: four hundred milligrams a day? That's about two eight ounce
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  Speaker 2: cups of coffee? Four hundred is yes, like high high octane,
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  Speaker 2: right coffee. But yeah, it's no more than.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe three Well, and that's caffeine though, that's not coffee, right,
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  Speaker 1: So you might also be drinking sodas or eating chocolate, sure,
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  Speaker 1: or eating on a cocoa nib.
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  Speaker 2: That's packed with caffeine. Yeah. Yeah, it does show up
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  Speaker 2: in all sorts of surprising places, including I looked this
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  Speaker 2: up decaf coffee as well.
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  Speaker 1: We should say, yeah, it's still got some caffeine in there, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So like a cup of coffee. Eight ounces of
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  Speaker 2: coffee can have anywhere from like seventy five to two
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  Speaker 2: hundred ish milligrams of caffeine in it. Okay, DCAFF coffee
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  Speaker 2: still might have like twenty milligrams. Wow, And I mean
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't sound like much. But if you're pounding DCAF
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  Speaker 2: coffee because you love coffee but you're trying to cut
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  Speaker 2: back on caffeine stuff Canada.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, I knew there was some caffeine, but maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's not Is that negligible.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty itself? Just if you drank one decaffeinated cup of
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  Speaker 2: coffee a day, yes, okay, I think on the overall
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  Speaker 2: effects of your health it would be negligible. But both ways,
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  Speaker 2: because again the coffee giveth and the coffee taketh away. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: sure does a double edged drug?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is. It is a drug, and it
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  Speaker 1: is also in t which we'll get to as well.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a drug. It's it naturally occurs like
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  Speaker 1: many drugs. But it is a stimulant called trimethyl zan
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  Speaker 1: theene nice chemical formula c h C eight H one
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  Speaker 1: zero in four O two not zero two.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a ten in there.
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  Speaker 1: What did I say?
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  Speaker 2: One zero yeah, which I mean, you know, if you're
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  Speaker 2: on a CB or something, they get the point. Oh man,
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  Speaker 2: this podcast is close to CB chatter as as you
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  Speaker 2: can come.
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  Speaker 1: I quick segue here. I used to love talking on
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  Speaker 1: the CB because my dad had one and his jeep.
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  Speaker 1: And remember when CB culture was huge, Yeah, in the seventies.
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  Speaker 1: My buddy, John Pindel now is a trucker. You met
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  Speaker 1: John where at our New York shows Tall Johnny Pindela,
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh uh he's a trucker now, okay, And I
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  Speaker 1: got to hang out and get in his truck. And
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  Speaker 1: he does not use a CBE and he said that
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  Speaker 1: he might get one, but it's not like the standard
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  Speaker 1: thing anymore.
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  Speaker 2: What is now texting cell phones?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he said, if you really want to be
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  Speaker 1: a part of that big trucker culture, you can do
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  Speaker 1: the CEA BE. Still, well, you can just be a
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  Speaker 1: lone wolf. He's a lone wolf, gotcha right now?
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  Speaker 2: He is. He needs one of those jackets like Lenny
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  Speaker 2: and Squiggy used to wear.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was fascinating, though. We need to do an
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  Speaker 1: episode on trucking because when I saw him, all I
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  Speaker 1: did was ask questions. Basically, Yeah, it's fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: Does he have his own rig?
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  Speaker 1: No, he doesn't own.
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  Speaker 2: It means truck. Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, well hated Johnny and he listens to the podcast now.
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  Speaker 2: So hey Johnny, because yeah, you don't need to see bee.
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  Speaker 2: If you listen to stuff, you should know. No, we
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: are your keep you company.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So anyway, caffeine, he does drink a lot
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  Speaker 1: of caffeine. That's where I was going with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that that really had nothing to do with it.
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  Speaker 2: I brought up sea bees because he said, h one zero,
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  Speaker 2: why don't we take a break.
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  Speaker 1: And get our sea legs back? Yeah, our pea legs.
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  Speaker 2: We're a little rusty.
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  Speaker 1: And Pa is in podcasts, not urine.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you urine. Man. Oh hey, I'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: something about this break. I learned that there's something called
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  Speaker 2: mixturition sincope, and mixturition is a lot of people think
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  Speaker 2: it means two P. No, urination is two P. Micturition
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  Speaker 2: is the urge to pe. Okay. Sincope is a fainting spell.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a condition out there called micturition sincope where
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  Speaker 2: people faint after they pee. Wow. There's also one called
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: defecation syncope, where people faint after they poop. They have
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  Speaker 2: no idea what I.
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  Speaker 1: Think Elvis had the most severe case of that. All right, well,
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  Speaker 1: don't let that happen to you during this break, and
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  Speaker 1: we will be back right after this. Have we got
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  Speaker 1: it together?
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  Speaker 2: That was like half a second.
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  Speaker 1: Are we good?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I guess so.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna give it another stay up here.
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  Speaker 1: So caffeine, I think that's what we were talking about.
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  Speaker 2: It's a drug, and in its pure form, chuck is
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  Speaker 2: a bitter, bitter tasting crystalline powder. It's actually very closely related,
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  Speaker 2: at least in its effects to opioid antagonists like heroin, cocaine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, caffeine. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I will talk a little more about the brain,
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  Speaker 2: the effects on the brain, but it is it does
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  Speaker 2: have these effects, and it does basically this. It uses
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  Speaker 2: the same mechanism as these drugs, and therefore it can
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  Speaker 2: cause addictions just like these drugs as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said, it occurs naturally. It's in
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  Speaker 1: the coffee bean and in chocolate and tea, but it's
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  Speaker 1: also added artificially in things like soda. And I looked
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  Speaker 1: up the sodas to get the most recent amount, and
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  Speaker 1: Pepsi one right now, I think has the most caffeine.
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  Speaker 2: Man, do you remember Jolt and Yeah, I used to
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  Speaker 2: drink a ton of Vault.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you did well.
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  Speaker 2: I would drink one right before the podcast, remember, and
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  Speaker 2: I'd just be like talking a thousand miles an hour.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the good old days.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I've settled down quite a bit, you have. I'm happier
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Pepsi one at fifty seven milligrams, tab is number two
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: at forty eight, like coke forty six. You will work
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: your way down to regular role Coca Cola at thirty
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: three milligrams per twelve ounce can. And the FDA regulates
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: how much caffeine you can put in a soda.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: A soda A soda, that's the key.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: That's right. If you were an energy drink like Red
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Bull or any of the those other gross tasting things. Yeah,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I don't like them personally, but people love them. I
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: just don't like the taste. But that's the workaround for
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: the FDA. Because they're not considered sodas, they can put
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: lots of caffeine and sugar to the tune of about
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: eighty milligrams per eight point three ounces, which you're like,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: in the case of Red Bull, there's a lot of caffeine.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: It does seem like a lot. But some people love
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: to take it even further. And there's like those five
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: hour energy shots.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have had those before.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Those are two I have not tried it before.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know why. I think I was doing construction
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: work and I was really tired, and I was at
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the big box store and it was right there at
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: check out. I was like, let me try this thing, yeah,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: and it rammed me up. I felt like a speedhead.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: So in that little two ounce shot, there's two hundred
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: milligrams oh of caffeine, no wonder, like a high end
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: amount in a coffee in that little two ounce shot.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, And I think those are the like coffee has
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the most of any beverage.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I think espresso ounce for ounce has the most.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean from the coffee being at least or
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: espresso bean. Oh yeah, not like an artificial drink, is
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: what I meant.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got an espresso maker and has some pronounced effects.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: It's crazy how different it is from coffee.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like an espresso every now and then. Sure,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And I like my coffee every now and then, but
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: just every now and then.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: If you want the health benefits though, and you're like,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I don't drink that much coffee, you should just be
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: injecting pure caffeine. Chuck, can you do that? They do
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: it to mice. Yeah, that's a good point, as we'll
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: see later on true, I should probably Again, it's been
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: several weeks since we've done this. I need to probably
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: throw out a disclaimer there.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: That was a joke, right to don't inject caffeine.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: And you know, if you can even get your hands
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: on pure caffeine, yeah, do not inject it. You probably
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: should inject anything, let alone the pure form of anything,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: because even too much water can kill you. I always
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: remember that everybody. Even too much water can kill you.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And I did look into caffeine overdoses because I was curious,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't happen much because you'd have to drink
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: so much of something. Yeah, that it makes it unlikely.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: But there have been overdoses blamed on caffeine pills.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Like Okay, what's the milligram amount, what's the dosage amount
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: that it got?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, I can't remember this. One kid died in Connecticut,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: like a nineteen year old that I think he had
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: like a dozen or two dozen caffeine pills. Wow, and
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: it's the I think the deal with caffeine pills. It's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: concentrated and it hitch all at once. Yeah, so taking
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of it is just like overdosing on any
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: kind of stimulant.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, it's a stimulant. Yeah, do'es some weird
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: stuff to you, including killing you? And like you said, chuggers,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: we already talked about coffee in the coffee episode, right, yes,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: but it just some of it bears repeating, Like the
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: lighter the roast, the higher the caffeine content, typically because
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the roast process actually bakes out a lot of the caffeine.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I thought you were going to make up a clever
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: rhyme like the light of the roast, the darker the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: toast or something.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: No, that's that doesn't make any sense. The rhyme's got
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: it at least makes sense, or else it's just rhyming words.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: How about how about uh, the lighter the roast more
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: caffeine than most. How about that? That's great, that actually
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: makes sense. And so if you want to extract the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: most caffeine out of your diet. Yeah, actually came across
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: a website called Bulletproof exac. You know that bulletproof coffee
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: thing or they put like butter in your coffee. It's
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: like a diet thing. I think it aids in pooping
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and butter in your coffee. Yeah, butter in your coffee.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: It's called bulletproof. It's actually not bad.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: If you like that, though, take it one step further
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and use coconut oil. Oh okay, that's even better because's
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: got a little it's like an almond joy creamer. Oh wow,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: but like an oily version of it.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Anyway, this Bulletproof exec they had a post about maximizing
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: your caffeine intake so you can suck it to your
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: underlings throughout the day or whatever most efficiently. Right, And
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: one of the things that they said is that grapefruit.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: You should eat more grapefruit because grapefruit contains something called
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: naragin or narogin, and it actually slows the removal of
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: caffeine from your brain, so you enjoy its effects longer. Nice.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So a morning breakfast in the nineteen fifties of
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: coffee and a half a grapefruit, that's all you needed. Yeah,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and then your noon cocaine bump, right, just.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: To keep you going just drinking coca cola.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: And if you also, if you want to maximize your
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: caffeine and take from coffee, you should look at the
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: beans you're drinking. So Arabica, which is I think the
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: most prevalent coffee has it's one point five percent caffeine.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But Robusta, oh, two point four percent. As far as
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I know, that's the highest caffeine content, naturally of any
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: coffee bean. So a light roast robusta is gonna basically.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: With your grapefruit.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be like getting kicked in the chest by
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: a mule.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Wow. And doesn't that sound appealing?
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: That's what every bulletproof exact wants. Wow.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Shows you how to be a more efficient robber baron.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: So let's get down to this, man, How does caffeine
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: actually affect your brain? Because it does affect your brain.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: The whole point behind taking coffee and stuff like that is,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: as the guy who wrote this article, oh, the three
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: guys who wrote this article, including.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: You, Yeah, I did a little on this. I forgot.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: It's using caffeine. It's a form of self medication.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Of course, that's why most people drink it, I think,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to get that boost in the morning.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Sure, or in the middle of the afternoon.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure people love the taste and stuff.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It's not like they're holding their nose and forcing this
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: drink down their throat.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Well that's what like five hour energy is for nose.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Don't taste very good.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Do they not. I've never tasted one. I've always but
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I've never wanted to experience its effects so badly. Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I tasted it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like just that synthetic
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: fruit taste.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Does it taste like medicinal at all?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just tastes. Yeah, it's just not good. Huh
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: in my opinion.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just two ounces. You get it over with
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: real quick.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Hey, you just sock it down and like you're done,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: punch a wall. So how does it work on the brain.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: It tricks your brain actually by mimicking something called a dentosceine,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of remarkable actually because what it
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: does is it mimics a dentosine and then does the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: opposite of what a dentosine does, which is to try
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and help you sleep it's pretty cool. Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: So you know you have a sleep wake cycle, right,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: part of the sleep cycle is adenocene latching onto the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: adenoscene receptors on your neurons and they're sweepy. Yeah. It
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: does make you sleepy because it slows the function of
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: your neurons down. It's a big buzz kill. Basically, it's
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: a drag a dinocene is.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Well, it's great, it is, yeah, it is.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: It helps make you sleepy. And what caffeine does is
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: it gets in there to the same receptor. It binds
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: to the same receptor as adenocene. It's because your brain
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: thinks it's a dinocene. Yeah.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: It puts on its adnoscene costume.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Pretty much, which consists of like a sparkly one piece jumpsuit.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: It's a onesie. And it not only doesn't slow your
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: neurons down, it apparently speeds them up. Yes, so your
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: brain starts going haywire. That's part one of what caffeine
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: does your brain. It not only doesn't slow your brain down,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: it prevents the thing that does slow your brain down
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: from slowing your brain down, and it actually speeds your
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: brain up. Yah haywire.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And not only that, but adenoscene usually well not usually.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: A dnocene always causes your blood vessels to dilate, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: caffeine causes them to constrict, which sounds bad. But one
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: of the pluses, and we'll get into the benefits, but
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: one of them is constricting. It can maybe help you
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: avoid headaches and migraines. And that's why caffeine is in
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: things like anison or my old reliable BC or Goodies
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: headache powders that I use, Yeah, contain caffeine. Yeah, that's
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: my secret hangover helper BC powder BC your Goodies it
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: or acts fast.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: They work really well too, both together a little yeah,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I got to know. Yeah. So caffeine is a vaso
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: constrictor right, that's right. It constricts your blood vessels, and
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: like you said, that can actually help your headaches because
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of headaches vascular headaches, I guess is what
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: they're called, or when your blood vessels are too big
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: and the change of pressure in your brain gives you
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: this horrible headache.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Right, So while this is happening, your body thinks these
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: neurons are firing. Your pituitary gland says you must be
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: in trouble because you're supposed to be going to eat, buddy, Yeah.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Something, there's clearly a bear coming at you. Yeah, I
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: don't know about something's wrong.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: So let's send you some adrenaline. We've talked ad nauseum
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: about fight or flight, and your body thinks that's what's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: going on when you drink coffee or caffeine, and so
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: it says here, you need this adrenaline because, like you said,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you got a bear come in your way, right, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: all the hallmarks of fight or flight kick.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: In which man, this used to be like our go
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to Yeah yeah, and now it's just such an accepted
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: part of everything, that's right. Do we even need to
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: say the things anymore? Yeah? Go ahead, Okay, So your
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: pupils dilatee. Yeah, you're breathing. It becomes more rapid. You
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: get more breaths. If you're eating something, you stop digesting
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: it because your stomach doesn't matter at that point. That's right, superfluous.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Your blood pressure rises, your liver releases sugar in the bloodstream,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: so you can get some extra energy. Yeah, you're ready
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to go. Basically, it's like time for some action.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why you drink that cup of coffee.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: You might feel tense like you in the car, yes,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: or agitated, right, it's because your body thinks you're about
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to be in a big fight with the car next
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, which ends up it's this weird reverse
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: cycle that ends up causing that fight. Yeah, you know
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: You'll also find if you drink a lot of coffee
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: like me, there a big knot develops in between your
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: shoulder blades just below your neck. Nice. It's just yet
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: another result of your muscles tightening and you being ready
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: for action thanks to the fighter flight syndrome. So your
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: brain has been kept from getting drowsy. Yeah, it's been
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: sent in to basically like a Lucy esque assembly line
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: of chocolates. The fighter flight syndrome is kicked in. That
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: describes like a significant amount of the effects of coffee.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But there's a big one that's missing still that we
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: haven't touched on, and that is it's pleasurable effects. It
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: makes you feel good.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's a stimulant and it's a drug. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: just like while the other illicit illegal drugs, this one
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: is just accepted, but it has the same effect. It's
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: going to release dopamine and that's the pleasure center activation center, right,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: and it makes you want more of it, and so
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that dopamine's flowing and your body's like, man, this is great.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it doesn't actually it's like heroin and cocaine.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: It doesn't actually make you overproduce dopamine, but it keeps
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: dopamine from being absorbed as quickly, so you get its
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: effects longer and more than you would if you weren't
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: under the influence of the drug. Just like heroin, Just
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: like cocaine. Caffeine again, it uses the exact same mechanism.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: It's just to a weaker degree, which is why again,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: people aren't shooting caffeine right. And this is a bad idea.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: This we should point out varies from person to person
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the effects of caffeine on the body because it metabolizes
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: differently in everyone. So some people might be like, I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: don't get jittery at all, or I can go right
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to sleep after coffee.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Other people, I'd like to see those people in an
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: espresso shot of robusta. Yeah, yeah, I'll bet they wouldn't
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: be singing the same song other folks.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I used to wait tables and I would have people
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: come in at like like lunch and say like, no, no, no,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I can't. Like their friend would get a cup of
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: coffee after they'd be like, no, no, no, I'll be up
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: all night.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be like are you serious? What did you
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: say that to?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: No? I would just always yeah, I always think it
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: was a little weird. But like I said, it may
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: keep them up all night. Yeah, it's their own jam.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Those people know their bodies.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: So don't just go with the decaf in that case.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: So there are plenty of negative effects like keeping you
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: up all night, as well as positive effects with caffeine,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about those right after this.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: All right, So you've got the one two three punch.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Your body is enjoying the caffeine. It's blocking that adena scene.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: You're gonna feel alert and awake. It's got that adrenaline going,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and it's rewarding you with the dopamine. So it's gonna
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: make you want to drink coffee. But I mentioned the
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: vicious cycle. It is a bit because after coffee comes
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the inevitable crash like any stimulant drug, and you want
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: more of it to get back up again. So you're
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: gonna have that fatigue and maybe even slightly depressed feeling,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and then you have a little bit more of that
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: caffeine and it's gonna get you going again. And that's
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: sort of the cycle that you find yourself in, which
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: will eventually, even though you might not think it is,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: it's gonna affect your sleep patterns.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that cycle kind of continues on into the next day. Right,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: So coffee has a half life of six hours.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Caffeine caffeine, Yeah, I.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Told you if I addicted this, all right, caffeine is
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: a half life of six hours, where if you drink
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a cup of coffee that has two hundred milligrams of
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: caffeine at noon, at six pm, you will still have
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: one hundred milligrams of caffeine in your system. So it's
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: like at six you drank a red bull in a
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: quarter right then, right, not exactly what you want. And
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: then at midnight you would have fifty milligrams left, which
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: is like more than a coke. That's like a mountain
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: dews worth of caffeine, and you again, not really what
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you want. So, as the authors of this article, including you,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: point out, you may fall asleep, but that caffeine stimulation
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: is probably going to keep you from getting deep sleep,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and deep sleep is what you really genuinely need. And
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I think after researching this, reading that sentence, I went
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: because I think, like, I basically like that. That is
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: how I live my life is I don't sleep deeply.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Even though I sleep deeply, I don't think I get
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: actual deep sleep, you know what I mean?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Right, So then you wake up craving the caffeine again.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and that's where that cycle goes on and on,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: where you just it's really tough to quit it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's very interesting. If you are pregnant, there
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: are some studies that suggest and we should say there
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: have been a lot of caffeine studies.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this article says like nineteen thousand since the sixties.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's twenty thousand by now easily, and they
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: are somewhat conflicting. So we always are going to say
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: like this study suggests, because they aren't hard and fast rules.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: But if you're pregnant, some study suggests that three hundred
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: milligrams or more per day could lead to low birth
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: weight in your little BB kids. I read one article
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: like five experts talk about caffeine and children, and they
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: all said that's not great. For kids.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: No kids drink coffee these days, yes, but in the
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: form of like those like coffee drinks that are super
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: sweet and creamy and everything, but they drink like if
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: walk around the mall, you'll see like eight year olds
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: with like a coffee drink just walking around like it's nothing.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I went to the mall the other day for the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: first time in probably five years.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how was it?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Was awful?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Was it?
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: And I hated every minute of it? And I'm not
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: going back.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: The mall is another place that it's another thing that
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: puts that like not yeah back, just too many people
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: in one place.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's no good. And with a baby stroller, it's
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: just like I wanted to put a spoon in my ear.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Which mall?
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I went to Perimeter, Okay, I mean there was a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: we got new pillows, so I was like I had
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: to go to the mall to get pillows, you know, yeah,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: because you got to put your head on it, even
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: through the plastic case.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: No, I know.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I've been pillows shopping.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Your pillows are great, though, oh.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you get a good one. Yeah, I've been
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: on a bad run lately with pillows where I've gotten, well,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: that's two. I've got one. Wasn't very happy with its
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: iond one to replace it. Not it's better, but I'm
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: still not quite happy with it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Do you just use one pillow? U?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Huh?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: One soft pillow?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Anything else? I'm like, oh my neck.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I gotta have one under my head. I gotta have
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: one behind my head between my head and the headboard.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And then one tied to your face.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: No, and then a clutch you know, to hold on to,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: like to wrap up with. Wow, it's the best.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's three pillows. Yeah, you sleep with three pillows.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Emily in Yeah, six total.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Jerry tell us and blinked. How many pillows you sleep with?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Three?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Three? As well?
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I think you're under pillowed.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I guess so I sleep with one third the pillows
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: you do.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Here's a pillow tip though, if you're buying, just wait
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: for a Macy's one day sale. Oh yeah, because pillows
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: are expensive, good ones, Yes they are, and of worth.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: It goes a lot. Yeah, get your hands on a
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: good pillow. Yeah. And Macy's does it twice a year.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I think maybe Memorial Day and Labor Day or their
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: pillow sale days.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Well, they had one going on after New.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Year's I am wrong.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: There, you have it all right. So we were talking
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: about sleep and the shopping mall where kids were drinking coffee.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: It all comes together, it does. But all five of
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the experts said your kids shouldn't really be having too
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: much or any caffeine. And they didn't say like because
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of like the health effects like on the basically it
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: was just like, just like sugar, you don't want your kids,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you know, heart rate increased a lot and their blood
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: pressure increased, and it's just not going to do yourself
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: any favors as a parent. I have a caffeated child.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: But I genuinely believe that you can go through experiences
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: like that as a younger kid and it'll make you
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: a keyed up adult, a higher strung adult.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Oh you think I do.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I have come to believe that. Yet, experiences in childhood
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: very dominantly shape you're who you are as an adult
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: very much. So I've come to that.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess if you're thirteen and drink a lot
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: of coffee and you get anxious, yeah, you'd probably be
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: an anxious adult.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I believe that probably keep drinking coffee, probably to stave
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: off the anxiety.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: When did you start drinking coffee or did you always
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: drink a lot of soda too?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: No, I guess it was as a more of a
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: grown up Yeah for both. Oh really, Yeah, I drink
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of kool Aid as a kid. Yeah, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: like the straight up tons of sugar in the kool
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Aid kool Aid. Yeah. But and I drank like some
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: some we called it pop oh yeah, like fago and
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: pepsi and stuff too. But I mean, I think it
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: was like as an older person twenties thirties that I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: started drinking like coffee in earnest and yeah, coax.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: That's what it should be.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I think. Sure. I definitely didn't drink coffee as a kid. No,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: that was gross.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I added too. The taste of it was just
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: really foul, I thought. But I really learned to love
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the taste of coffee. Yeah, and I enjoy a nice
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: hot cup of coffee on a camping trip or a
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: cold day. I just never took up the regular habit,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and not for any reason other than I just, I
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: don't know, just never grab me the never took it up.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like a stand though, you know, like I'm
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: not going to start drinking caffeine.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and everybody who drinks coffee can rot.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: No, because my brother in law, my mother in law,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: drink more coffee than any humans alive, more than me.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: They're both wonderful. Yeah, they're like, let's brew a pot
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: of coffee, not a cup of coffee. Yeah, and let's
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: just drink it until it's gone, then brew another pot.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, you know, yeah, I know.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: But they get a lot done accomplish people.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: They sleep several inches above the bed.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: One of them is a general in the Marine Corps.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: That shows you where he is. Yeah, or actually that's
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: my mother in law. All right. How about some health
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: benefits right, there are a lot, believe it or not.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: They've done a lot of studies and they found everything
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: from helping out to not develop Parkinson's disease to dropping
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: your risk of various cancers, cirrhosis. How about this. Two
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: cups a day supposedly will cause an eighty percent drop
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: in the odds of developing cirrhosis. That's amazing. Yeah, I
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: drink a little bit, so maybe I should drink coffee.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that has to do with stimulating the
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: fight or flight syndrome where your liver releases more sugar
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: to give you more energy or something like that. Maybe.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: But what's weird then is so that would be more
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: sugar in the bloodstream, right yeah, too much sugar in
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: the bloodstream can lead to diabetes.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Well, coffee actually is shown to reduce your risk of diabetes. Yeah,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: there's this Harvard study that involved one hundred and twenty
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: six thousand pe all over eighteen years. They followed their
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: cost is a good study. It's a great study unless
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: they fudge the results. But saying they didn't. What they
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: found was that people who drink one to three cups
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: of coffee a day are nine percent less likely to
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: contract diabetes. Right, yeah, you think it ends there, No,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: it does not. So people who drank six or more
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: cups of coffee per day, if you were a man,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: your chances of contracting diabetes were reduced by fifty four percent.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: That's substantial.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: And for women who drank one six or more cups
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: a day, their chances of contracting diabetes were thirty percent
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: of developing diabetes thirty percent reduction.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I got another one four cups a day, fifty percent
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: less chance of mouth and throat cancer. And I don't
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: know if it was this Harvard study or another one
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: said it could reduce suicide risk in adults. Even huh,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: kind of makes sense, I guess in one way. Which way,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know I was sinking. I don't know. I
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: take that back.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe you like run from self harm, even.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe like you flee or fight, or if it just
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it could battle your depressive systems by
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: picking you up or something. I don't know.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, something better explaination than mine. Mime was stupid.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: There's there's evidence that it prevents cavities actually, oh really,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: which yeah, which is kind of surprising, because that is
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: if you just if you're doing a study on coffee,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: that's if you don't put anything in your coffee, Yeah,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: put cream and sugar in. Yeah, you're going to get
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: your cavities on.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: All right, you kind of do both, right, just depending
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: on your mood.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I typically go toward black, right.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: But every now and then you throw a little vanilla
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: creamer in there, every once in a while.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if I want to treat, oh yeah,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: special treat right, But caffeine can hurt your teeth in
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: that it causes teeth clenching.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Too well, which is one reason I'm losing teeth is
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I grind my teeth at night. Yeah, so maybe I
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: shouldn't drink more coffee. It could be Yeah, but like
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: you said, a Gibbeth and it takes away Do I
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: want teeth or do I want my liver to hang
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: And no diabetes? Right? Yeah, good point.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Alzheimer's The bird Alzheimer's Institute in Tampa did some experimenting
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: on lab mice, injecting them with caffeine like you said earlier,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: and not only did it protect them against developing Alzheimer's,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: but it helped reduce symptoms if they already had it.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: They haven't tried it on humans yet, but as it
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: goes with mice, many times it goes with humans.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully. Yeah, we could all be injecting caffeine at
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: some point. That to me is also counterintuitive too, because
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Alzheimer's disease is potentially a buildup of plaques in your brain. Right,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: that's the result of not getting enough deep sleep, because
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: when you sleep, your glial channels expand and your brain
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: is bathed in cerebral's final fluid. That it cleans out
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: those plaques, right, But it only happens when you're sleeping
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: very deeply. But if you're not getting very deep sleep
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: with coffee or caffeine, then I would think you be
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: there'd be a higher risk of Alzheimer's.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: It's fuddling, it is, And I've also found conflicting studies
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: on memory. Johns Hopkins says that it's a memory enhancer,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: but I've seen other studies that.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Say it's the memory dhancer.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So again, it's like it's tough to kind of
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: get down to the brass tacks, you know. Yeah, when
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you have conflicting studies.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: If you exercise, coffee is your best friend, caffeine is.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've heard of like Olympic athletes that like we'll
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: shoot espresso right before a race.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Not only does it like give you a jolt
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: of energy and everything, but apparently it has ergogenic properties,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: which means that it delays fatigue, right, Yeah, and it
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: helps your muscles use glycogen their energy stores more efficiently too,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: so it can help you run better. Interesting.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as cognitive abilities, the one study f
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: on from Johns Hopkins Medical School said that while you
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: think it is increasing your cognitive abilities. What it's really
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: doing is just taking you back to normal for a
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: short period.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: That is chilling.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then when it wears off, you're actually below man.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I hate to think that. I
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: don't want to quit coffee.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Though you've quit smoking. Yeah, you lost weight? Yeah, keep
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: your coffee.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: That's another thing though I did during this break is
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: put some of that back on. We'll drink coffee and
• 43:32
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• 43:35
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