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- Randy: All right, man. So this is another one of those books, just Let us make man a helpmate for him. Is that a verse found in the book of Genesis or is it in the book of Jubilees? We're gonna get into it and a lot more today on The Walk Talk. like the book of Enoch, the book of Jubilees, another book that's in the Ethiopian Bible, but it's not included in our Protestant Bible. It's not even part of the Apocrypha. ⁓ It's not part of the ⁓ Roman Catholic Bible. ⁓ But think we should talk about, you know, the arguments including it versus not including it. What do you think? Alright, brothers, so what do you think? Let's get into Jubilees today, man. Pj: brother. Yeah, another another book. ⁓ I mean, dating back to Dead Sea Scrolls, Qumran, The Whole Nine, but again, not in the canon. What's going on? Sounds good, brother. Let's talk about it. Randy: So here's some of the arguments that I found for including it. ⁓ And you tell me if you've come up with anything else, anything different. ⁓ What I came up with was there was a strong second temple credibility, which was the second temple. That was the time of Jesus. They had a lot of credibility at the time. There's a lot of theological alignment with parts of scripture. So specifically, ⁓ you know, it's very, very much a companion, I would say to Genesis. It retells. another book, not in our Protestant Bible, not in the canon like you mentioned, but the book of Jubilees. sounds a whole lot like the book of Genesis, doesn't it? Pj: Has a lot of parallels, lot. mean, Genesis and Exodus really, you know, there's a lot. There's a lot of similarities. mean, some some a lot of similarities, some, guess I don't want to call them necessarily differences, but yeah, it was interesting, man. But but actually, look, man, before we even before we get into all that, I just I just got to say, Who the solo video? Randy: some of the stories of Genesis with more detail. However, I did notice it leaves out certain aspects of some of the stories as well. So it's kind of like a, that's why I would say a companion. And then it says it preserves early interpretive tradition. So it shows how the Jews really understood the law as it existed even before Moses. So in other words, the law was given to Moses. It wasn't created with Moses. It was something that had already existed. God gave it to Moses. And so it kind of shows that the law is not. Pj: was awesome. So much going on there, man. I... Yes. ⁓ man. It was good. I agree, man. Christians, man, we need to be ready and we cannot be deceived. The craziest thing is after watching it, I went and I checked out the trailer for that, what's it called again? The Disclosure Day. And man, like... Randy: The solo episode of Walk Talk. You got a chance to check it out. you know, something that started with him, but it's really eternal. And then the last thing is the precedent with the Ethiopian church. ⁓ An argument for it is the fact that it's one of those books that, you know, the Ethiopian church, ⁓ they seem to, I don't want to say anything that might sound disparaging, but it seems like they just collected everything and just put it all together. And they said, Hey, we're not taking anything out. ⁓ If anyone at any point is considered it scripture, we're going to keep it as part of our Bible. And they just have kept it in. ⁓ Disclosure Day, yeah. Pj: I would just encourage even if you never go and watch it, know, the trailer is rated for everyone. So there's nothing, ⁓ you know, explicit in there. But go and watch it with spiritual eyes. Just for perspective, man. Like there's very much, you know, what I felt like was a focal point in there where something is happening on live TV with this news anchor. And she starts like almost like All right. Randy: So those are the arguments I came up with for why it could have potentially been included in our Bible. What are your thoughts? Pj: I mean, I agree with the majority of that. I mean, I see how, you know, realistically it expands. again, going back to the reference from the beginning of people calling it Little Genesis, it seems to me like, mean, ⁓ you know, the early church really held it in high regards. I mean, yeah, I can definitely see, I can definitely see a case for making this sound, it's kind of guttural if I remember, like kind of trying to talk but not. And the craziest thing is the guy is talking to somebody who's watching it and he's like, do you hear that? And the girl's like, yeah, I hear it, but I don't understand her. He's like, I do. Like, I hear what she's saying. And so that reminds me of almost like a reference to tongues. Randy: Mm. Mmm. Yeah. Pj: for why it was at least included in the canon and why maybe the Ethiopians do continue to. kind of like we did with the Book of Enoch, I kind of feel like, you know, it's one of those books that can be used as like you said, for context and as a companion. But I do think that and even in some of the themes almost. Randy: Mmm. Pj: You know, and then like you said, man, like this to me is basically the way they put it out in our faces like they always do and numb us to it so that whenever, and I went and read some stuff about President Trump and he has plans and he's putting together like this presentation of giving out this information. just like, man, things are getting real. Things are getting real. It's wild. speak for themselves as far as it maybe not necessarily being the inspired word of God. You know what mean? so, so, so like, you know, I almost, and don't get me wrong, I know that angels are messengers, right, of God, but it almost is speaking from the first perspective narrative of Randy: Yeah. Well, well, I'm just, I'm just blown away at, know, obviously there's been a whole conspiracy theory for decades where people think that aliens are real and the government is eventually going to disclose it and that there's been this, you know, massive media campaign to slowly like get us accustomed to hearing it so we don't freak out. But what's really blown my mind and like I mentioned in the solo episode is how many people in the government actually have come out and said they think it's demons, which Tell me, tell me more about that. What did you see specifically that made you like question? Pj: Right. Right. an angel like, well, God sent me to go talk to Abraham, you know what mean? I'm like. Randy: Right, right. So the book is written from the angel of the presence, basically narrating the story to Moses, right? And that does seem a little kind of like different than the rest of the scriptures, where I mean, even the Bible tells us that, and I forget the exact verse, but it says something to the effect of, know, ⁓ spirit, you know, moved the men of God, holy men of God, you know, were moved by the spirit and they wrote down the scripture to something to that effect. Pj: Right. Randy: goes back to, you know, what I heard, you know, 20 years ago and I actually now believe that, yeah, I do believe it's demons. I believe it's demons and it's part of a deception. And yeah, man, I mean, the movie, I'm interested to see what this movie is going to be about. If it's going to be any good or not, actually we do want to watch the movie. But yeah, I do think that we're getting really close to something. Pj: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. All right. ⁓ yeah. And man, you know what? It's crazy because I wanna say, I wanna say I remember us as teenagers and you telling me like, man, Hans thinks that angels are demons or whatever. And I'm like, what? That's wild. hey, I wanna say I remember something to that effect. I'm like, but I guess jokes on us, man, but it does make sense. Randy: This is different. This is basically like it's being narrated. Yeah. Yeah, that's a point. That's a good point. And again, like, you know, for me, man, like I just got to trust the process. I got to trust that, you know, the councils and I think we in the past, we've talked about some of them. We may have gotten them wrong. The councils where the early church fathers came together and they decided what should be included in the Bible. Pj: Right, right, right, 100%. Right. Randy: Ha ha. Yeah, well, it's kind of like the old proverb that says that, know, scientists, you know, they get to the finally get to the summit of the mountain and they see that the philosopher has been sitting there the whole time. It's like, you know, kind of the same thing, right? Like science is eventually going to prove that like, you know, religion is correct. and, you know, science is going to prove that, you know, yeah, there is something else, but it's not what we might've thought it was. So To me, I trust that process. I have no choice but to trust that process and say, hey, what we have in our Bible is the word of God. However, that still doesn't mean that other books like the book of Jubilees is not true. And it's not like actually historical. It just, to me, it means that it's probably not inspired word of God. It's probably something that was maybe ⁓ an expansion on the word of God that had been passed down orally for years and years and years, and it eventually was documented. Pj: All right. Alright. Randy: And it's good that we're talking, so we talked about the book of Enoch, man, and the book of Enoch, I think, has a lot of things that Christians should be aware of because it does talk about ⁓ fallen angels, the Watchers and the offspring, which are the Nephilim, which didn't turn into these disembodied, unclean spirits, which the New Testament talks about. And even in the book of Jubilees, ⁓ it references the book of Enoch, it references Pj: I believe it's probably divine stories being told from an outside perspective. you're sharing the story of Moses with your children, you're telling them a story about the divine works of God, but it's just coming from you. I I kind look at it in the same context. And realistically, man, Yes. Yes. Randy: ⁓ you know, the watchers, it gives us, it gives us a lot more detail. And I think it's very interesting. This is another book that from my opinion, you know, I, I'm not, I'm not, you know, educated enough, ⁓ to know if it should be canon or not. I don't really have a strong opinion either way to say it. Like my, my, my firm belief is it should be in the Bible. I don't take a stand like that, but what I do say is there's probably a lot of good information that I do believe is true. That helps fill in the gaps. Pj: Watchers, yep. Randy: Great. Pj: You know, it's one of those things like I mean, I've heard for multiple years now, like our own history books, the things that we were taught about our own history of America has been so skewed, you know what mean? And like in other like Europe and stuff like that, that like the the way the narrative has gone has been it's different, you know what mean? So it's like Randy: Sure, sure. Yeah, well, well, and here's how I kind of think of it though. I kind of think of it like, you know, when people read about like Cain, you know, after he is cursed and he goes and he takes a wife and then the skeptics and the atheists say, well, where did Cain get his wife from? There's only, you know, Adam and Eve and their two sons at this point because that's all Genesis tells us. Like I've heard a logical argument that says, well, yeah, but Adam and Eve lived 900 years. They had other kids. The Bible just doesn't on some of these other stories in the Bible. Pj: Right. Well, and look, man, you know, the crazy thing is, is, is I've seen it referenced multiple times as Little Genesis. So that's, that's, that's a wild title to, to, to give something like that. I mean, you know, just, just giving it a title like that almost gives it merit, I would say. And, uh, Randy: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, Little is it's funny that it's called Little, right? Because I didn't think it was that short of a book. Pj: Right. the crazy thing is it really expands on the events of the book of Genesis and Exodus, if anything. So it's it's it's wild. But yeah, man, let's dive into it. First off, ⁓ I did, again, before we get started, I wanted to clarify something because on our last episode, whenever we were talking about the book of Enoch, I actually misspoke. ⁓ We were trying to figure out ⁓ if Methuselah was Noah's Randy: tell us about every single kid that they had. Well, like instead of us, like you and I having that conversation and having to explain that to a skeptic or non-believer, the book of Jubilees essentially spells it out and says like, yeah, Adam and Eve did have other sons and other daughters and here's their names. And we don't need to have this conversation and speculate because the book of Jubilees writes it down. And that's how I kind of see it as like a companion and maybe like some oral tradition that got documented in this book. Pj: Right. Randy: Yeah, yeah. Pj: Right, right, right. Yeah. Yep. And then, mean, you know, so also kind of like we established, man, even though I find it interesting, you know, even the way it kind of like we talked about references the Book of Enoch, like where it's talking about these Watchers and the, you know, ⁓ the different sects of angels and stuff like that. I'm like, man, this is super interesting. Like, these are things that I definitely I enjoy checking out because I'm like, this is this is why this opens up a whole new realm almost. father or grandfather. Methuselah was Noah's grandfather. Lamech was Noah's father and Enoch was Methuselah's father. I misspoke on the last one. Randy: Great. Yeah. So yeah, so it was Enoch and then it was Methuselah, then Lamech, then Noah. Yeah, yeah. So I think the question was, was Enoch Noah's grandfather, great grandfather? The answer is great grandfather, right? Pj: Methuselah, Lame Ag, then Noah. Correct. And I miss, I miss both. Correct. Great grandfather. But at the same time, like, look, and yeah, I kind of agree. Like the Bible just gives you like the like the need to know basis. You know what mean? It's like, hey, look, I'm a touch on this and I'm not going to elaborate on it. And maybe and maybe the idea is if you want to have it expanded upon, go read the Book of Jubilees. But I'm going to give you the canon that would need to know stuff. You know what I mean? Randy: All well, yeah. Yeah. You know, not to get off on a tangent too much, but I've heard like Jordan Peterson, if anyone's familiar with him, talk about the Bible and he talks about how the Bible is so old and so ancient and was passed down orally for so long before it was written down that it keeps getting refined more and more and more and more over generations until eventually all you have left is like the very, very meat of it. Right. And so it's like you got the meat of the meat of the meat by the time it gets written down and put into into a text. And whether or not that's exactly how it happened or not is not the point. The point is, there was probably more known at the time than what was actually written down. And to me, I really enjoy reading the book of Jubilees because it gave me a lot of good perspective on what some of that tradition, some of that Jewish tradition that existed at the time really was. So I think Jordan Peterson calls it archetypes and things like that. He's way deeper beyond. you know, my ability to try to regurgitate anything he said, but it is worth listening to him discuss the Bible because I think he does a really good job. Pj: Yeah, I mean, and I at one point in time, I kind of found myself, I guess, like, you know, listening to him because I have listened to Jordan Peterson stuff before and I was pretty intrigued and it's crazy like how he his take on things. I almost feel like. Like he's too analytical, like too smart, like, you know, I mean, like almost like. Randy: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Way more analytical than URI. Pj: Well, but just in a sense of like almost like almost like he's smart enough and able to articulate and break it down enough to where he can almost like prove it. It's almost like he's like alleviating need to have faith in it because he's like, I got it figured out. Like in a psych man, like let let it penetrate you. You know what mean? Like you like you have a very profound understanding of of of what it is and how to dissect it. But like, have you let it Randy: Mmm. Pj: like, you know, get to you, guess kind of thing. again, it is he does have some some pretty in depth and insights and you know, might be worth giving a listen. I would just use discernment with him because he's he's deep, man, you know, so. Randy: Yeah. Yeah. All right. So yeah. So now let's talk about some of the arguments against and ultimately why the book of Jubilees was not included in the canon. So here's what I came up with. Tell me if you got anything else. One, it wasn't included in the Jewish canon. So by the time Jesus came on the scene, Pj: Sorry about that. Randy: By the time Jesus came on the scene, it was not part of their Jewish canon. ⁓ Overall was rejected by the early church consensus. So the early church just basically just said that, it didn't have universal acceptance, therefore we're not included. There was no direct New Testament citations. In other words, it doesn't actually say the book of Jubilee says this or the book of Jubilee says that. ⁓ Pj: Right. Randy: which I mean, why would it? Because usually what's cited in the New Testament is, you know, the law and the prophets. That's usually what you hear. It doesn't usually say necessarily the book of Genesis says X, anyway, ⁓ that was it. And then theological tensions was another one. And this one, it seems like there was a lot ⁓ of conversation because ⁓ certain sects of Judaism really adhere to the book of Enoch. and especially the calendar, I'm sorry, I keep saying the book of Enoch, the book of Jubilees and the calendar system that basically is vastly different. Ironically, the calendar system is pretty much what we use today, but vastly different than the Jewish, ⁓ rabbitical or temple calendar, which follows the moon cycles versus the book of Jubilees that says we should follow the sun cycles, which is actually what we do today. Pj: Right, right, right, right. Correct. Randy: And then the last thing I came up with was it was likely composed later, much later than the book of Genesis, even though it's attributed to Moses, because at the time that it was ⁓ probably written down, there's no way that, you know, scholars believe it could have actually been written by Moses, which honestly, I've heard the same thing for the book of, you know, for the Torah as well, that, you know, most likely it wasn't Moses who wrote it, but it was probably passed down orally and then eventually written down, but Those were the arguments I came up with, you know, not in the Jewish canon, not a consensus, no direct citations being like the big three. What did you, what did you come up with? Pj: Well, no, those definitely did come up in kind of what I was researching. But like as I was going through it, man, I guess I made some notes about certain things that kind of man like I guess. Like, again, I wouldn't say that it it it like is. It's similar to stories that we know from from the Bible and the actual canon man. But like it takes these different spins on it that in my opinion, I felt like kind of took away from I would say in my opinion took away from like what God I feel like I've always got from what I felt like God's intentions were in those moments. So I'll give you an example. The Book of Jubilees gives you this outline of Abraham, right? Or Abram before it calls him Abram in the audio. Either way. Randy: Which I loved having the extra background on Abraham, especially the stories about him destroying the idols that his dad made. I thought that was really cool. Pj: Right. Well, well, but here's this thing, right? So it's so the the narrative that I've always heard preached and even kind of understood for myself just from reading the Bible was like, you know, one of the biggest things about Abraham was his faith, right? Like he was living in this wicked place that's, you know, everybody's on these idols, his own dad. What's his name? Tell our to our Randy: Mm-hmm. Terra, I think. Yeah. Pj: terror, something like that. Yeah. His own dad is sculpting these idols, you know, for these, these rich people and whatever. And, and God speaks to him. Like God says, you know what? This is my guy. God speaks to him and Abraham is like, I'm going to be obedient to this, to this God that, know, this, that I'm hearing. And, and God says, listen, I I know this is your family. This is your country. Leave it all behind and leave everything and just go this way. And he's like, yep, I'm going to be obedient. I'm like, man, that's awesome. Randy: Right. Pj: Well, so in this narrative in the Book of Jubilees with all this extra that it gives you, there's this point where ⁓ Abraham or Abram at this point, like goes and tells his dad, like, hey, no, no, no, it starts off with Abram was praying to Adonai, the Jewish God. He was praying to him and God answered him. And so it's like, OK, well, this version I saw Abram initiate that conversation and God basically say ⁓ yeah hey whoa I'm here and then so God tells him hey look you know leave all this and go and then and then it goes on to say how he went and talked to his father and said hey look I you know I had this conversation with the Jewish God and I'm leaving and his dad is basically like ⁓ that's you know I can't because of like what I do but like you have my blessing Randy: I'm a little bit lost, man. Can you help me get to the point? What do you mean? Because I'm a little bit lost here. Pj: So I feel like it almost takes away from the idea of... ⁓ Randy: What does? What's the it? Pj: and us extra information, right? So it's different than God choosing Abraham and saying, go and Abraham says, yes, I'm gonna leave and forsake everything. The book of Jubilee. Randy: Okay, so let me see if I get it. are you saying that what you heard in Genesis was God just randomly picked and chose Abraham and what you hear in Jubilees is Abraham chose to be faithful to God. Pj: No, So what I hear in Jubilees is that ⁓ Abraham started trying to pray to God and God answered him and then and told him the same thing. then the addition, the addition to but so being chosen by God or having God respond to you, in my opinion, is to they're not completely different, but it's there's a difference there. And then there's a difference. Randy: Is that different than what I said? So I thought, so what I said was basically, let me say it a different way than what I thought I heard you saying was in Genesis, God initiates the relationship in Jubilees, Abraham initiates the relationship. Is that a more clear way of saying what you're trying to say? And you don't like that. Pj: Correct. Yes. Yes. Yes. I think it takes away from from the narrative. And in addition to that. Randy: Tell me how, does it take away from the nerd? I'm curious, because I got something totally different. So I'm really curious as to it took away for you. Pj: Whether it's initiated by God or initiated by us. That's the difference. Yeah, it takes away it. In my opinion, it takes away from from the narrative of of in the same way, you know, like God chose to have a show Moses favor like in my understanding from the can is like, you know what God, God basically sees Abraham knows his heart. Randy: Yeah, you said you took away from the narrative in your. Pj: Speaks to him and abraham is obedient in in this like basically in my mind. It's almost like well, you know ⁓ Abraham is throwing this prayer out and god responds to him he's like, wow like so You know what? mean like and and so it's like, know, if it's like if it's a difference between if I call Your phone and you answer and i'm like man. Listen randy I I really needed to talk to you right now. I I need to tell you this like or if you call me out the blue and you're like I don't know what's going on, but I feel like you you really have something to say to me and I'm like dude who what you know what mean? Like it's just it changes the narrative in my opinion but but even To take it a step further is the idea of like, know God saying okay, like leave your country leave your family They're all in this like it's one thing to to be like, know, I'm just gonna shoot out You know regardless of how they feel because I'm gonna be obedient to God no matter what I don't care how anybody else around me feels I'm being obedient to God Randy: Hmm. Pj: Then they go and like have a conversation with your dad and he's like, ⁓ boy. Yeah, you have my blessing like feel free like there's no no hard feelings like, you know Randy: Yeah. I mean, I'll be honest, I took it like the exact opposite. Like I saw it as, ⁓ the way I read Jubilees was, know, Abraham, Abram at the time basically looked around and said, look, this is stupid that we are worshiping idols made of hands. I know that there's a real God, a God of creation. I want to worship that guy. and not these stupid idols, which I thought was like really cool that, you know, he was like counter-cultural and saying like, hey, I'm going to go against the norm and against the grain and against my own family. And I'm going to seek this God that I really don't even know. And then God answered him. I thought that was, I thought that was really cool. Cause to me, like that's a lot harder in my mind to like, you know, be against your entire community and seek the true God than it is to answer a God who just randomly calls you one day and says, Hey, I'm God, you should follow me. Like, yes, if God calls me like that, I'm, better believe I'm going to follow him. Whether I'm an atheist or not. Like if, so if, if I hear a voice, you know, from heaven, tell me, Hey, like, you know, I'm, God do whatever I'm doing it. But Abraham didn't in this story, Abraham didn't wait for that. He was like seeking God, which to me I thought was, was cool. So I took that the total opposite way. Pj: Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, a different thing. I don't know. I just kind of felt like it. Like I said, it's not completely different. just I'm like, man. And like I said, it's just different than the narrative I'm used to. And the second one that stuck out to me was was even ⁓ more so than that situation was again with Abraham. At this point, he is Abraham. And, you know, whenever they're they're talking about The test would sacrifice an Isaac like, you know, I'm thinking about the the the symbolism there with you know Isaac carrying the wood on his on his own back going up to you know be sacrificed the whole nine and the correlation with Jesus and and showing the character of God and like his Divine plan of like, you know Jesus is gonna be the greater Isaac just like he was a greater X Y and Z He you know, he was a fulfillment of all these other characters. But in this book of Jubilee, it basically says Randy: Mm-hmm. Right. Right. Pj: You know, Matasma or however you say it, the entity that would be described as the devil is the one that initiates that. Almost like in the book of Job. The devil goes to God and is like, should see if... Mastema, yeah, whatever. You should... He initiates that and goes and tells God, oh, well, you should see if Abraham would kill Isaac for you if you think he loves you so much. You know what I mean? Randy: Mmm. Yeah. My stemma, my stemma. Yeah. Honestly, like I like that too, man, because what I saw there and so we're kind of like getting ahead of ourselves a little bit because ⁓ we're no longer talking about arguments for not including it in a canon. Now we're talking about our opinions about the stories in the book, which is fine. But one of the things I wanted to mention was, you know, in a previous episode, we talked about the spiritual beings and how Lucifer and Satan isn't the real name of the devil. To me, this mastema name, that is the first time I ever heard this name, it sounds very similar to the same character described in Job, which you just alluded to. It sounds like there is this adversary that has access to the throne room of God, who is going before God and judging righteous people or accusing righteous people. And it gives him the name, it sounds like a name to me, it could be a title, but it gives him the name mastema, which I thought, whoa, could this be like... Pj: Yes. Randy: the devil's actual name? Like, wow. Pj: The actual name. like, you and I kind of talked about earlier today, like the cool thing for me is, is we know that, know, Jews were serious about names having meaning, like, know, Jacob and like, it was very purposeful names. And the crazy thing is, you know, like we discussed with this ⁓ Mastema, Randy: Right. Right. Pj: It means hatred or hostility or enmity or persecution is what that name means. And again, like I noted, like, and you just said, I don't think of that as so much as a title, but like, like that name seems like it fits the character that we understand of. Randy: Well, I saw there was a couple slightly different versions, translations of the Book of Jubilees. And in the one that I was reading, it literally called him Mastema, Prince of Darkness, like five times. And I was like, okay, that's not a description with another description. That's a name with the description. That's what it looks like to me, at least. And I think the other version called him like Prince of Evil or something like that. anyway, darkness, evil, like. Pj: ⁓ wow. No, that's a name with a description. And what the No, and the version I was in basically it just said Mastema. I was like, huh. Whenever I first heard it, I'm like, and Mastema, like, who is this? So I ended up going back and I'm like, wait, what is this? Randy: Yeah. Well, it says Mestima by itself a bunch too, but then whenever it starts later on in the book of Jubilees, when it starts to get into some of the wars that start happening with the children of Shem, Ham, and Japif, if they're settling the earth, then it talks about, you know, I mean, it talks about how, you know, 10 % of the unclean spirits were left unbound. Pj: Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Well... Randy: it to and God allowed them to be part of my steamers army and how he's using these unclean spirits to go and do war and it's in the context of war that the book of Jubilees keeps calling him my steamer the Prince of Darkness. And I was like, wow, this is crazy. Pj: Well, yeah, 100%. Wasn't it who I think it was Noah, right? Noah was like praying to God saying, hey, look, God, can you get rid of all these evil spirits because I don't want my kids to be attacked? And Mastema comes to God and is like, at least let me keep a tenth of them. And God's like, all right, well, the other ninth are going to go and descend into condemnation or whatever. Like, it's wild. Randy: It was Noah, yeah. Yeah. Right. So, and so this is another, this is an instance where the book of Jubilees is, you know, in alignment with the book of Enoch, where Enoch talks about how the spirits of the Nephilim become the unclean spirits who are basically damned, they're cursed to forever wander to earth until the end of the age and the judgment that's to come. And basically Noah's praying, God, get rid of these unclean spirits. I don't want them to corrupt, you know, our people in this new world, you know. And Mastema goes before God and says, let me at least keep some of them. So God sends like 90 % of them to the abyss and 10 % of them he leaves to basically be part of Mastema's army, essentially like his demonic army. Pj: Yeah, well, in this other note here, you know, kind of again, echoing, know, this, I don't know, like these different classes, like you talked about in the Book of Enoch, or, you know, four classes of angels, which are angels of the presence, angels of sanctifications, guardian angels over individuals, and angels proceeding over the phenomenon of nature. Randy: Yeah, and there was a lot of talk about the angels of the winds and of the rains and things like that, which, again, there's, I don't remember exactly the verses, but there's some allusion to that even in the book of Revelations. ⁓ I'd have to go back and look it up, but there are some allusions to that. And I can't remember exactly how it's worded in Revelations. So I thought that helped fill in some gaps there as well. Pj: And then, Yes. Yes. Yeah. And I mean, look, those so I and I did jump the gun. I apologize because I was like, man, this was it was and I see your perspective, at least on the beginning. But I guess, you know, from from my traditional way of thinking about the canon, I'm like, OK, man, like this is the way I've always understood it. I've always respected Abraham's faith. I do I do kind of like the way you articulated it with like, man, like this guy was actively seeking. Randy: Well, I mean... Yeah, well, I see him as like a, I see him like a Noah figure, man. I see Abraham, the way it's portrayed is like Noah, like you got this corrupt world, like what just evil happening all over. God looks down and he sees a guy, there's Noah and he's like trying his best to follow me in this corrupt world. Let me use him. And then he looks down and he sees Abraham. And that's, that's all I was saying. Like I see that like there's someone doing something different, going against the culture while everyone else has kind of put God on the shelf and started worshiping idols. There's like this guy who's like at least seeking. Pj: God in a tongue. Randy: if nothing else. that was kind of the perspective I got when I read it. it is different than what you might typically get just reading Genesis. Pj: I got it. Well, and I guess from automatically, I just went to straight from like the focal point of both of these stories, you know, where Abraham start and with the sacrificing of Isaac, of God, God's plan purpose, like no one already ⁓ being the focal point. then like, you know, it was shifted to, well, you know, from God to Abraham in my perspective in that point. then from God's divine plan and like knowing that Jesus was going to come and do all the things to like the devil or mastema. I like that but mastema being like, hey, I got an idea God and that does correlate like you said with with Joe what we do know from job. ⁓ But it's like, I don't know. I don't know. It's just Randy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, to me, like, I find that, again, I find it personally easier to swallow that it was this demonic being who recommended the sacrifice of this child than God recommending that as a test. Like to me, that just feels better in my heart that it was like, even knowing God was gonna like, you know, provide the sacrifice, it's still, to me, it makes more sense in my mind that this would have been a temptation ⁓ from an evil being than God. That's how I saw it. I, me, it reminded me a lot of Job when I, when I was reading that. Pj: Yeah. So I mean, just I guess so it just little little nuances. Like I said, obviously things that could be taken either way. Randy: ⁓ Yeah. So I'll be honest as I read through it, I didn't really see anything that I thought was like a red flag. I didn't see anything that I thought, okay, this is like way off. Like in the book of Enoch, there's a lot of stuff, especially like if you go in a second and third Enoch, I wouldn't even touch those books, honestly. But like the book of Enoch is, is I think a good expansion on Genesis six. But beyond that, the book of Enoch has some stuff that I'm like, I don't know about all that. This book, the book of Jubilees, I really didn't see anything that was a red flag for me. What I did see was there were some areas where Genesis leaves question marks that the book of Jubilees fills in those question marks. And there's some details in Genesis that the book of Jubilees just doesn't get into. Like they kind of like, again, like a companion in my mind, because they're both focusing on slightly different details to me. And I got a couple of examples here. like Bastemah, being the name of Satan was one of them. We never quite get that if that's the case. We never get that in Genesis. ⁓ I got that ⁓ it said that Hebrew was the language of creation and had basically went away after Babel and that God basically gave that back to Abraham, which I was like, wow, that's crazy if that's really what happened. And again, I'm just, you I don't know. This is not the inspired word of God, but like if that's really what happened, I think that's so cool that God was like, hey, let's give Hebrew back the language of creation. Let's give it to Abraham. I thought that was pretty cool. Pj: Well, yeah, especially if his plan is to start a nation. You know what mean? I want my nation to have my language. Randy: Yeah, yeah. Right, right. Let's see, there was a few other things. You know, said that, you know, in Genesis, it said that the, you know, the God told Adam, and the day you eat of the fruit, you will surely die. And the book of Jubilees is very, very big on timekeeping. I mean, a Jubilee itself is a period of 70 years, right? And so it's very big on timekeeping and it's very big on this solar cycle of 364 days. 91 days per season, 13 weeks per season. And it says essentially that Adam died, I think it was 30 years short of a thousand years, which is one heavenly day. So in other words, God said in the day you eat of it, you will die. within a heaven's day, he did actually die. I thought that was cool. Pj: He didn't make it. But yeah, I did think that that was cool. But see, and that's another one of those things where I'm like, OK, well, you know, this again takes away from the the our or at least my prior understanding to be like, he know he did die that day. I guess it was like a double death, right? Because he died spiritually. but, know. Yeah, yeah, 100 percent. So it was just like those little things where I'm like, man. Randy: Yeah, he died spiritually that day in my perspective. Pj: I don't want to say that this contradicts because that's not the right word, but it changes like Does it does both of them maybe fit maybe? But it also like and again I think I guess what I'm worried about is exactly what I feel like it happened a little while ago where you saw it one way and I saw it another way and there was this little bit of friction now even though I could after hearing your your side of it I'm like, okay, I can see that too. And so maybe it can be both Randy: Yeah. Pj: Because I kept I kept thinking while these little things were happening. I'm like This is not contradicting what I what I see in the in the you know, canonical version of Genesis But it's it's it's like this. It's this weird little Randy: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's, to me, it goes back to what we've been talking about since our very first episode, man, which is you got to understand the context, you got to understand the culture, you got to understand who the writer was writing to, to really understand the Bible. I mean, this whole idea of solo scriptura, I mean, the Bible says that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. It doesn't say that the Bible is the pillar and foundation of truth. And why would it say the church is? It's because you need to have all that context. You need to have that tradition. You need to have that interpretation outside of just what's written on the page to fully grasp and understand it. So for me, to understand more of what the Jewish tradition is or what the people at the time the Bible was written understood, to me, it only helps to fully understand and expand on my faith. Pj: Well, yeah, yeah, I can see that. And I'll tell you this, you know what I almost thought about? Because I was really, really sitting there kind of perplexed, like, man, in one hand, I'm like, this seems different, but it's not different. And what it made me think about was the gospels, right? The accounts of events in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are talking about the same things, but there's these slight variations. You know what I mean? And it's like, okay, well, that's Randy: Yeah, they're different. Right, right. And it adds a fuller picture of what was happening. Yeah. Pj: kind of? Yeah, but and I'm like, that's kind of how this is, but it's like, but it's even more direct than that, right? So like where where there's like these huge variances in some of the gospels, like this is this is like, no, yeah, this happened, but you know what was happening behind the scenes or what happened after it like and then it just goes off on these tangents and it comes right back and it's like, what the heck? Yeah. Randy: Yeah. Yeah. Right. Going back to Adam dying real quick though, how poetic would it be if on the day his, you know, he physically ate from the fruit, he spiritually died, but then at the end of a spiritual day, he physically died. You see what I'm saying there? Because it's saying that he died before a heavenly day was up, which would have been a thousand years. So it's like, you got the spiritual death, you got the physical death. How poetic is that if like he spiritually died on the day he did the physical thing and then physically died at the end of the spiritual day? Like to me, that would just be just a whole nother level, but I digress. Here's some other things that I came up with. So we talked about, I don't actually, I don't think we got into it too deep, but the book of Enoch and again, in the book of Jubilees, it talks about the Nephilim who, I'm sorry, not the Nephilim, the Watchers who had the Nephilim. Pj: And maybe, maybe that. Randy: the Nephilim or the offspring of the Watchers, they taught humanity all sorts of forbidden knowledge that they shouldn't have known. And Jubilees talks about, and I'm going to butcher this guy's name, our Pak Shad, it says he actually found one of the pre-flood writings that was engraved on a rock after the flood that had teachings of the Watchers, and he wrote them down. So in other words, some of that knowledge got passed on because this guy found a stone carving that had teachings of the Watchers on it. And he wrote down some of it and it says he burned some of it. And he like passed that on to other humans. And that just makes me think about like, how long did it take Noah to build the Ark? Wasn't it like 300 years or something like that? Pj: I thought it was 120 years it took him or something like that. Randy: You're probably right. probably was 120 years. What if that's the time that all these stone structures like Eubekli Tempe and like the great pyramids and I don't know, what's the one in England, the ⁓ circle one, Stonehenge, what if that was the time? if while Noah was building the ark, what if these Nephilim and fallen angels were out there building all these things to pass down their knowledge so that they could be you know, so that it would survive the flood. That's crazy. But what if that's actually what was happening? They would have had the time to do it, especially if they had giants helping them out. Pj: Yeah, it is. Yeah. Right, right, yeah. Man. Randy: Isn't that, I mean, that's not something the book of Jubilee says. That's just me kind of just speculating here. But I mean, who knows what if that explains it? Because a lot of, lot of these things, I mean, like we don't really know why they exist. Pj: Thank you, lady. Right. And you know, kind of to go back to your point, man, I this one is I would say was a little bit harder to to rule out of being in the canon than Book of Enoch, in my opinion, because like, mean, yes, there were some some things that again and it's crazy to say that because it does reference the Book of Enoch. But man, like, I guess ⁓ it really doesn't. It doesn't really introduce many other, I guess, what you may call like radical ideas as far as like going into like watches and stuff like not mentioned in the Bible. I really saw this more as just a huge elaboration. You know what mean? Like, and so and again, I would I I would say doesn't belong in the canon because it's not I don't believe it's the the the violently inspired word of God. But I mean, Randy: Mm-hmm. Pj: Could you just make a note of that and include it in there just to give a expansive perspective on Genesis and Exodus? Yeah, 100%. Like I believe in my opinion, you know. Randy: Right. Well, and yeah, and like I said earlier, like I would say it probably doesn't belong in the canon because our church fathers who would have been in a better position to know didn't believe it was the inspired word of God. And I have no choice but to trust that. But I would trust it as much as I would probably trust any like other history book, which I know has probably got some lies and some deceit in it, but it's probably directionally accurate. Right. I mean, any textbook that you're going to, you know, Pj: All right. Right, right. Randy: gonna read that's been taught at any high school in this country is probably going to be directionally accurate with some, falsities built in there. And I have no, no choice, but to trust, but verify question where it seems a little bit off, but generally say, I generally do believe that the civil war happened during these dates. And this is generally what started and how things actually went down. Like I have no real reason to doubt that, but could there be some little nuanced stories in there that you know, or fabrications or people just like, you know, blowing things out of proportion. Absolutely. Absolutely. and I think that's kind of the difference in my mind between like taking this as, you know, inspired word of God and taking it as like a historically, you know, a historical book that's, know, yeah, it probably is mostly accurate, but maybe through the, the, the, the oral traditions, passing it down for generations, maybe some things got a little bit, you know, twisted. But again, from what I saw, I mean, I saw that There were times we got more detail than Genesis ⁓ and times where there were certain things that was left out. And I was trying to remember, man, there was one particular story. I can't remember if it was Joseph. It might've been Joe. Actually, I think Joseph was one of them when it was talking about the story of Joseph. There were things that was left out of this book that the Bible goes into more detail in. And there was another story too. I can't remember what the other story was. ⁓ But there was at least two stories and I don't claim to have the book of Genesis memorized to be able to say like, you know, here's all the instances where the book of Jubilees like didn't capture certain details or went into more detail. There's definitely a lot of the early stories where I felt like Jubilees went into more detail. ⁓ But there was definitely some times in ⁓ Jubilees where there were certain things that, and I can't remember right now off the top of my head. I thought I had wrote it down. I'm looking at my notes here. I'm not seeing it. Pj: Yeah, right. Randy: But there was definitely a couple of times where I'm like, man, I know Genesis went into more detail. ⁓ it was, so it was Joseph. So when Joseph was in prison and he had the cup bearer and I think it was a cook who that was in prison with them. In those guys had dreams and they told their dreams to Joseph and Joseph interpreted both of their dreams, right? And we actually get the dreams right in the book of Genesis in Jubilees. Pj: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, something like that. Randy: we don't get the dreams. Like that's just totally left out. Like in the same thing with like Pharaoh's dreams. So when Pharaoh has his dreams, we hear, you know, I think, you know, seven like starving, like ⁓ calves and seven like fattened calves or whatever he dreams about. And that's the seven years of famine, seven years of, of, ⁓ of feast. Those dreams are totally left out of the book of Jubilees, even though we still get the same story and we still get the idea that he interprets dreams. So again, just The stories that I could remember, I'm like, okay, I remember that was in there. It's not in Jubilees. But then other stories, it adds even more detail. And even in that particular story, it goes into a lot more detail about Joseph and his interactions with Potiphar and Pharaoh and et cetera. Pj: Exactly. And so it's weird because in those instances like that, like I feel like again, it's giving you the very human perspective because it's like, you well, I guess I mean the human perspective would have remembered the dreams, but it's like God is the one that interpreted the dreams. Right. So I just it was just this weird thing of where it's like, man, like, I don't know. It was just again, I just I don't know. Overall, like I said, there's these times where I felt like, hey, This is little like what you know why why not you've been elaborating so much on these other things like I don't know like maybe I don't know I don't know and maybe that maybe just not to be redundant I guess you know what I mean I don't know I don't know Randy: Yeah. So just about the, go ahead. Maybe, yeah. So some other things that I thought was interesting that I didn't get from Genesis, but I got from Jubilees ⁓ was that Noah actually receives medical knowledge from the angels. So God actually tells the angels to go and teach him about medicinal plants and things like that to heal diseases that were caused by demonic forces. Pj: Yeah. Well, I will tell you that that was I did enjoy that part of it because again, like and you know, people who know know me like I've talked about it multiple times like it's so crazy, right? So like this you have this focal point of, you know, Moses and his obedience for all these years while people are calling him crazy building this arc and then he survives and his family and then he gets drunk and then he died and then that's it and they move on and I'm like, what the heck? Like what how what was it like post flood other than him getting drunk and naked and cursing somebody and Randy: Yeah. Right. Pj: Then they said, yeah, and it tells you like he lived. So this kind of gives you know a story a little bit. And I thought that that was pretty cool and interesting. ⁓ yeah. Randy: Yeah. It gave yeah, give a lot more information about Noah and it gives you a lot more sympathy sympathy towards him because it's like this dude dude was just like repopulating the earth with plants and animals. He didn't know how powerful those grapes were going to be and he was going to get so drunk from from drinking a little bit of wine that he was going to be passed out naked in his tent. I always thought he had a problem. Pj: Right, right, Right and now Yeah, well and yeah, like that was my thing like, you know, it basically it sounds like like Noah just was like man I've been through a lot I'm getting lit and he's like, you know, it really it did frame it in more of like a Almost like a respectable way and you know, I mean I've even I've even kind of used that like, you know like I always looked at it from the perspective of like, you know Noah got drunk and and the focus isn't on like up, you know, the Bible says you're not supposed to be a drunkard Randy: did, yeah. Pj: It was like what happened to him while he was in that state. It was the offense. You know what mean? So I did kind of like that now. I don't know what, I don't understand if that is ⁓ an accurate account of what happened. I think that that would have been a perfect bit of information to include in the canon version of that event. Randy: Well, well, but here's, but here's the thing. And here's, here's what I think is kind of my main, I would say takeaway for anybody who's listening. There are a lot of times where there are scholars, biblical scholars who debate passages of the Bible with this concept of we could only use the Bible and nothing else. And I don't know about you, man, but I've heard some people say that, you know, Noah wouldn't have cursed. Who was it? Ham Ham's Ham's descendants. He wouldn't have cursed him if all he did was look at his naked body, that he it must be something else. And they start reading into it and say, well, actually, if you think about it, him uncovering his nakedness means he slept with his wife. And I'm like. Pj: Yeah. Son. Yeah. Saw him. Yeah, no, I Hey Yeah, which would have been Ham's mom. Randy: Right. Which I'm like, why don't we look at some of these other books like Jubilees and see if you still walk away thinking that before you just say, you know what, I could only go off the book of Genesis and nothing else because there's this whole other tradition out there like the book of Jubilees that gives you a lot more information that to me makes that argument sound very silly. Just like you have the people who argue that sons of God, not Elohim are talking about the children of Seth versus the daughters of Cain. Which again, if you actually look at Jubilees, you look at Enoch, it makes that whole argument seem very silly. So if you're trying to interpret the Bible just in this box of only the Bible and ignore everything else, you could have all these different perspectives and you have all these scholars debating on the use of this word is more commonly used this way or the use of that word. Or you could just look at what the culture and the context of the tradition of the time and say, hey, all this other stuff points to it being very much what you thought it was. We don't need to read into it anymore. So let's use it. Pj: Yeah. Yeah, man. it is, the significance of understanding context and realistically not always looking through things from our own lens. You know what I mean? understanding like this is a book about Jewish people, two Jewish people for the most part. You know what I mean? That we've been grafted into, you know? And understanding like, man, like... These little nuances that like even in America things the phrases that we say that are just common to us and we all know what we're talking about you go to other places and they and you know, they have no idea what those things mean and and that's exactly how like I feel about these things like, know, and I don't know why this pops into my head, but like the debate about, ⁓ know, Jesus making the statement. It'll be, you know, easy for to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man and to go into heaven. And then like there's a speculation of like, well, there was an actual eye in Roman needles or they're talking about a doorway that's small. So a camel would have had to it could have had like all these things. And I think that for the time, whenever he said that, people just understood that we're over here debating like, well, what could this mean? And it was they never gave it a second thought. They're like, dang, that's that's pretty slim chances. You know what mean? You know, like like in my opinion is like, ⁓ you could hit the broadside of a born. They're like, what would Randy: Right, right. Right. Yeah, I agree. Pj: You know what mean? Like we would get it, but you know, if like they're debating it like, what do they mean? Like is this a small miniature barn or like, you know what I mean? But you have to understand the context and the culture. So yeah, I agree. Randy: Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, so one other thing that I want to, well, actually maybe two things. ⁓ I can't overemphasize how much the book of Jubilees focuses on that solar calendar and how, ⁓ the fact that traditionally the second temple period used the lunar calendars and even to this day, the Jewish calendar follows that calendar. ⁓ and even the Roman Catholics, right? That's the reason why Easter. for example, is not always on the same day of the year. It's the reason why Passover is it always on the same day of the year. Hanukkah is not always on the same day. They're always like about this certain time, but they're never on the same day. If like the book of Jubilee says, we had followed this 364 day calendar since the beginning, all those days, all those events would have always been on the same date every year. And I don't remember if this actually wasn't in the book of Jubilees. This was in something else I was reading on the book of Jubilees. But it basically said that the day that Abraham was tested and was about to sacrifice Isaac fell on the exact same day that the Passover eventually happened. If we had been following the solar calendar the whole time. And it also ended up being the exact same day that Jesus. was ultimately sacrificed, which we'll never know because we didn't follow that solar calendar from the beginning. But a lot of what has happened in the history of the world and a lot of what has been documented in the Bible. was meant to happen in certain timings and it did happen in certain timings, but we don't always catch it because we weren't always following that calendar. So this book really, really focuses on that a lot, on following that solar calendar. And again, it's one of those reasons why it wasn't included in ⁓ the Jewish scriptures, in the Jewish canon, because there was that disagreement about following the solar calendar versus the lunar calendar. This book is very big on on timekeeping. I don't know if you picked up on that at all. Pj: Yeah, absolutely. And you had said something earlier about ⁓ Jubilee being 72 years. And in my notes, just, I don't know why this different. So I saw a Jubilee in the Bible is a special year that occurs every 50 years marked by forgiveness of death, freeing indentured servants, yada yada yada. And that's basically Randy: Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, I think you're right. It's every 50 years. I thought it, what did I say earlier? Every 42 or something. Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, you're, think, I think you're right. It's every 50 years. Cause, cause it is, isn't the Jubilee. Cause they had like the seven years was like a Jubilee year or something like that. And the seventh time they did the seventh, then it was like a whole, I forget. It was something like that. They had like seven, seven year cycles. Pj: 70, 70. But then I see Randy: And at the end of the seven, seven year cycles, was 49 years. And then next year was the Jubilee year, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I've, yeah. I mean, yeah, I'm not much of a math person, but I do remember it's something like that. Pj: something. Yes, correct. Yes. Yes, something like that. Yep. That's that's that's what I got her. So I just. But yeah, I just, you know, I forgot I wanted to say that earlier, but then we kind of got off on something, but I just wanted to know that that, I saw something that a Jubilee is actually 50 year period. Yeah, I did notice, you know, that and man, it's so crazy because I've heard so many different things regarding. you the calendar and the way we keep time and even how our months are out of order and stuff like that. you know, like you, you, you figure, you know, like even, even like, ⁓ I guess the one that's always stuck with me is, you know, October is our 10th month, but oct in any other place means eight. You know what I mean? So it's like that's Randy: Well, according to the Roman calendar, was the 10th month, but Julius Caesar set the calendar and it was the 10th month until it was changed later by, think one of the popes or something. Pj: Right, right, right, right. You mean it was an eighth month, October? Randy: Yes, yes. It was the eighth. Yeah. Cause August, ⁓ or, ⁓ yeah. Cause you got like September, sept is like, ⁓ nine, right. Or no, I forget all all the months basically. Sep was seven. Yeah. Ock was eight. Yeah. Yeah. Pj: I got you. Yeah, but basically, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, yeah, but yeah, and I'm like, well, that makes a whole lot more sense. And then again, being, you know, based on the 364 day calendar where, you know, we wouldn't have to have these leap years and, you know, it's like, man, it just, yeah, it was a lot. And I was like, man, this is, even, our everything deceives us, man, even our own, you know, it's. Randy: I know, man. I know. And then there's this whole conspiracy theory out there that hundreds of years didn't happen and it was just added to the... There's so much going out there. But that's one of the other things I like about Jubilees is it gives us a little bit more context about why there has been this constant struggle between the lunar and solar calendars. Pj: Yeah, ⁓ yeah. Well, yeah, but Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had heard the correlation. So maybe, huh, I'm trying to think, maybe not the correlation of the Isaac sacrifice being fallen on the same day as the Sabbath and on the day that Jesus was crucified. I, yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, what did I say? I messed that up. Randy: Passover and the crucifixion. Yeah, the Passover and Good Friday. The Sabbath. Pj: ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah. So sorry about that. But what I did hear was there was a correlation between that story of Isaac and the crucifixion where it could have potentially been on the same mountain. Had you heard that? it just made me, it'd be crazy if it was on the same mountain on the same day. Like, you know what mean? And like that's that. Randy: ⁓ yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it says Mount Moriah is where, you know, Isaac was bound. Wasn't it Mount Moriah? think is where it happened. But yeah, I've heard, I've heard that too. Maybe that's something we could get into in the future. Cause that'd be really cool if that ended up being the same mountain that later is known as Golgotha. Pj: Well, and even more the plot thickens according to what you said. mean, and the more you were talking about like, that's what I like. It almost seems like one of those things where like, you you see these little divine like webs of like God being like, I know what I'm doing. So if you're telling me that Passover, which started the whole traditional system that Jesus fulfills, you know, and Randy: Right. Pj: and Isaac and crucifixion same day, but if at least, you know, two of them things happened on the not only the same day, but the same place. It's like God's just like, man, listen, I'm I'm God like, watch me work. You know what mean? Like that's that's that's crazy. Cool, dude. Like, you know what I mean? Like, ⁓ man, that's that's a little nugget, man. Like we need to look into that and see if we can get some kind of confirmation, because I did hear that there was a correlation with that. super cool that that, you know, Randy: ⁓ yeah, yeah. It is, it is. Pj: It would if it did fall in the same day because it I mean it makes sense You know what mean? And and you know, I feel like we can see through scripture how? Methodical God is like, you know what I mean? Like I mean, it's just wild. Yeah Randy: Alright man, well you know what else makes sense? Makes sense that people go back and listen to the episode we did on the Book of Enoch, if you haven't already. And again, if you haven't, don't forget to like, subscribe, and click the little notification bell so you know when our next episode is posted. Pj: Are you Absolutely. Yeah and not only that Enoch man if you have not checked out the solo video check it out go man go look at yeah the solo short yeah the solo short one go check out the man listen to what he says and then go look it up for yourself and tell me you don't have a moment it was it was awesome awesome so I enjoyed it Randy: It's a short one. All right, well with that, think that does it for this episode of Walk Talk. Thank you all so much for following the show and before you go, make sure you leave us your thoughts in the comments below. God bless. Pj: God bless.