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Healthcare Dress Codes: Scrubs, Tattoos & The Truth About Hospital Uniforms · Banter At The Bedside

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SPEAKER_00: You know what?
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SPEAKER_00: I want it to look good today.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, assume.
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SPEAKER_02: Hey everybody.
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SPEAKER_02: It's Kaylee.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to Banter the Bedside.
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SPEAKER_02: Today we're doing a very hard-hitting episode, which is why you're all here for the hard-hitting episodes we took out about scrubs.
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SPEAKER_02: We're talking about work attire and all the angles that go along with that.
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SPEAKER_02: As always, this is for entertainment.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not medical advice.
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SPEAKER_02: You have to talk to your medical provider if you have any issues.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't represent any entity or organization.
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SPEAKER_02: These are opinions, not facts.
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SPEAKER_02: We are filming at our houses, respectively.
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SPEAKER_02: We are not being compensated for anything in the video or on the podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: Just, you know, for fun, really.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and for views and for to make people happy.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, if for those of you returning, you may not already know me, I'm Kaylee, but if you're new, welcome.
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SPEAKER_02: I am a nurse of 18 years, 16 in the ICU.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm joined by my other main co-host, Abby.
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SPEAKER_02: She is an acute care nurse practitioner of eight years.
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SPEAKER_02: Hello, guys.
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SPEAKER_02: And we are joined again by Kyle.
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SPEAKER_02: He was on another episode with us, and he is a critical care board certified pharmacist of five years.
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SPEAKER_00: My good.
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SPEAKER_02: So we're super excited.
1:27
SPEAKER_02: We we felt like we needed a a male opinion when we're talking about scrubs um and work attire, work wear.
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SPEAKER_02: Um figure Kyle would be Kyle would be a good one to come back.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's always looking cute in his scrubs on his TikToks and everything.
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SPEAKER_03: He does um you've done some good transition videos of scrubs, and I like it.
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SPEAKER_00: Really, you like them?
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SPEAKER_03: I do.
1:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
1:52
SPEAKER_03: Abby loves the transitions.
1:54
SPEAKER_03: I love the transitions.
1:55
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_03: I think they're just so uh creative.
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SPEAKER_00: But Abby, I think, is a little better at them than I am.
2:02
SPEAKER_03: Getting there.
2:04
SPEAKER_03: She does a good job.
2:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: But I do also just want to say, please, seek the medical advice of your own healthcare professional on scrubs.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, on scrubs.
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SPEAKER_02: Don't take our advice.
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SPEAKER_02: Don't take our advice on what you should wear to work.
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SPEAKER_02: Follow the dress code policy where you are.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: I love that you bring up the dress code policy because I don't know if you guys remember, but there was like a couple years ago where there was a hospital in like Nebraska um that banned messy buns for the nurses.
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SPEAKER_03: Did you see that?
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SPEAKER_03: I did not see that.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_03: In Nebraska.
2:51
SPEAKER_03: I believe it was Nebraska.
2:53
SPEAKER_03: Let me pull it up.
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SPEAKER_03: I got it saved.
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SPEAKER_03: You know I love an article.
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SPEAKER_00: Messy buns.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Messy buns.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: What's the reasoning?
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SPEAKER_03: Uh they felt that it looked unprofessional and that there it was happening too much.
3:05
SPEAKER_03: And there was like, I mean, understandably so, like there's a big there was like a big uproar about it.
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SPEAKER_03: Yep, it was Nebraska.
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SPEAKER_03: Hospital in Nebraska banned messy buns.
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SPEAKER_03: It was in 2022.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, dress code policy says nurses are not allowed to wear messy buns.
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SPEAKER_03: And they even like took pictures and like sent it out, like sent the pictures out.
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SPEAKER_03: Of like Are you kidding me?
3:31
SPEAKER_02: They had to have retracted that, right?
3:33
SPEAKER_03: I think eventually they did.
3:35
SPEAKER_03: There was a lot of like backlash on it.
3:38
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
3:42
SPEAKER_03: Like, I get like a dress code policy, like follow the policy, but policies also have to like be within reason.
3:51
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
3:51
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's not the military.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't have to have like certain hairstyles and all of that.
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SPEAKER_02: Like the only thing.
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SPEAKER_03: I wonder what they would feel about your tattoo your whole sleeve.
4:04
SPEAKER_03: We'll get to that.
4:06
SPEAKER_02: The only thing we have about hair is that it's not supposed to be down because it's like an infection control thing, which none of y'all listen to.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm pointing at Abby.
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SPEAKER_02: None of y'all with y'all's beautiful, luxurious hair ever listened to.
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SPEAKER_02: So I have to watch y'all just it looks like a shampoo commercial all the time.
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SPEAKER_02: Not following the policy.
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SPEAKER_03: How dare how dare me?
4:28
SPEAKER_03: Um, I do pull it back when I'm doing procedures because I don't want to get my hair and stuff.
4:34
SPEAKER_03: I know.
4:34
SPEAKER_03: Is the problem.
4:36
SPEAKER_03: But especially now, you know, one of the doctors does say, like, when I put my messy bun up, depending on the messy bun, he knows how what mood I'm in.
4:49
SPEAKER_03: Like how how put together it is and how lopsided it is.
4:53
SPEAKER_03: He knows like which oh yeah, which level to mess with me.
4:56
SPEAKER_02: When I come in and Abby's got the bun, it's like over here, like and it's like moving around, and it's like, oh, I think she had a rough day.
5:06
SPEAKER_02: It's cute though.
5:07
SPEAKER_02: It's cute.
5:10
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I I mean I love a messy bun.
5:14
SPEAKER_03: And when I was a bedside nurse, I I always wore a messy bun.
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SPEAKER_03: Like I always put that on.
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SPEAKER_03: But I have very, very long hair because of my culture, and so like it's very, very long, and having like a tight ponytail all day, I'll get a headache, and otherwise, like I'm just having to like fix it, so that's why.
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SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I just like I s I saw that a couple years ago, and I was like, that's a little crazy that we're at this level, but I do remember when I started bedside nursing, we could wear whatever at my hospital, like you could wear whatever scrubs you wanted, t-shirts, like any color, there was no color coding, there was nothing.
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SPEAKER_03: Like prints, everything?
6:00
SPEAKER_03: Prince.
6:00
SPEAKER_03: I loved the I love the Koi brand, KOI.
6:05
SPEAKER_03: Um would have like this the side tie and like the cute patterns, then I have like all these different cute ones, and then the fashion show of work.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: I could just picture her watching it, walking down the dogs on them, and she's like tying her thing.
6:26
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
6:27
SPEAKER_03: And I and then I used to wear these like big like bowed headbands.
6:32
SPEAKER_03: So I was like the girliest looking nurse ever.
6:37
SPEAKER_03: Like I would they was some of the interns called me the headband nurse.
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SPEAKER_03: Like they would be the Which one's Abby?
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SPEAKER_03: And they'd be like the one with the headband on.
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SPEAKER_03: And then they'd come down the hall and they'd be like, You must be Abby, and I'm like, the headband.
6:54
SPEAKER_03: That's cute.
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SPEAKER_02: Y'all wear any y'all can wear anything.
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SPEAKER_02: Anything and you could wear like big headbands and stuff?
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SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
7:01
SPEAKER_02: Did it change when you were there?
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so um people started really, really taking advantage of it.
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SPEAKER_03: Um there were people people would wear like Rival, because it was like a university-associated hospital.
7:17
SPEAKER_03: So people would wear rival um school scrubs there, and that university also had a hospital.
7:25
SPEAKER_03: Um, so that was bad look.
7:27
SPEAKER_03: And then we got a new CNO, and she was like doing rounds and like meeting people and introducing and getting the culture.
7:34
SPEAKER_03: And when she was rounding, um they found people wearing literal yoga pants and also shirts with drug and alcohol paraphernalia on it.
7:50
SPEAKER_03: And I'm not sure.
7:50
SPEAKER_02: So that's why that's right there.
7:52
SPEAKER_02: Why that's why somebody in Nebraska said no messy ones, because you can't trust people to just not be crazy.
7:59
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, dang.
8:00
SPEAKER_03: So then yeah, we had to have like a vote on the color, and it was like a tiered vote, so it was like they gave us a bunch, and then they narrowed it down to like the top four, and one of them in the top four was white, and we were like, who's who voted for white?
8:22
SPEAKER_00: White, the most unforgiving color there is.
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SPEAKER_02: I was there's just no way.
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SPEAKER_03: I was like, you you were worried about the drug paraphernalia and alcohol acting.
8:36
SPEAKER_02: You want to see everybody's underwear of their ass through the white pants.
8:39
SPEAKER_03: I was like, but you're gonna you're gonna be seeing some red thongs if you put us all in some white scrubs, okay?
8:45
SPEAKER_03: Because there's gonna be some there's gonna be some bitch that wakes up last fucking minute that puts on that red thong and walks in.
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SPEAKER_04: And you know who that bitch's name is?
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SPEAKER_04: Abby.
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SPEAKER_05: Abby.
9:05
SPEAKER_05: I'm that bitch.
9:09
SPEAKER_01: The call's coming from inside the house.
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SPEAKER_02: Go into not white.
9:17
SPEAKER_03: No, no, not white.
9:19
SPEAKER_03: Uh it was it was in the blue family.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:25
SPEAKER_00: That's funny.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so and so what year was this?
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SPEAKER_03: That this happened?
9:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, like when 2015.
9:37
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was the whole facility, like, regardless of what your role was, could wear whatever color scrubs they wanted.
9:44
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
9:45
SPEAKER_00: Because every hospital I've ever been at, only the providers could wear whatever color they want.
9:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
9:50
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: So that's interesting.
9:52
SPEAKER_03: They let everyone wear a muck up there.
9:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
9:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
10:02
SPEAKER_04: I mean, we're we're I mean, I worked with one girl and they were yoga pants.
10:07
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, are you who who are you trying to get to why why are your pants so tight?
10:14
SPEAKER_02: I no, no.
10:17
SPEAKER_02: Well well, when I was in a grad, um, the hospital I worked at there, you could wear whatever scratch you wanted.
10:24
SPEAKER_02: I d I don't even remember.
10:25
SPEAKER_02: I would just get like the cheapest ones I could find.
10:27
SPEAKER_02: I didn't care.
10:28
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I do think that like the color coding coordinating, it doesn't help patients.
10:34
SPEAKER_03: I don't think that much.
10:36
SPEAKER_03: But I do think it helps staff.
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SPEAKER_02: I think it helps at least sometimes because if the patient doesn't know who was in the room, I'm like what color scrubs do they have on.
10:47
SPEAKER_02: But you're right.
10:48
SPEAKER_02: I think it I think it helps some patients, but it I think it's more about like if people are actually introducing themselves in appropriately when they go in the room.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: I'd be interested if they actually did some sort of like poll like with the patients and were like, hey, do you remember what color scrubs the nurse was wearing?
11:09
SPEAKER_00: And then let's see, and then see if they remember.
11:13
SPEAKER_03: Um so they haven't done like that exact poll, but I do have a study because I love it.
11:20
SPEAKER_00: You know, I love a you know I love a nurse.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: She does.
11:23
SPEAKER_03: I do.
11:23
SPEAKER_03: She always has the research ready to go.
11:26
SPEAKER_03: So there was actually just a systematic review that came out last year in August, and it's um titled Patient Perception of Physician Attire, a system a systematic review, and they looked at they ended up looking at like 28 different articles on specifically physicians, but I do feel like it kind of covers across the board on attire and um in different settings.
11:51
SPEAKER_03: And it was really interesting.
11:52
SPEAKER_03: So, like on this topic though, they found that the female physicians and the male physicians, even if they were in the exact same outfit, the females were always misidentified as not physicians, and so like they're I think they're nobody.
12:11
SPEAKER_03: I don't think no, no one's shocked by this, but I also think like I see like I've been in rooms with male nurses and they're in their nurse scrub and then they'll think they're a doctor.
12:23
SPEAKER_03: And so like it's like the colors are there, but then it's like there's always still this like underline.
12:32
SPEAKER_03: But it was a really interesting this is last year, yeah.
12:35
SPEAKER_03: It came out last year, so it was a systematic review that looked at 28 different articles from 2015 onward.
12:46
SPEAKER_03: Um depressing.
12:48
SPEAKER_03: It is there's another study I remember this one was long ago.
12:54
SPEAKER_03: I'd have to go deep into my files, but they did look at my files.
13:03
SPEAKER_03: Kaylee's like, yeah.
13:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
13:08
SPEAKER_03: Anyways, when we were like trying to argue about the uh the uniforms, we were we were pulling some evidence for that.
13:17
SPEAKER_03: And there were there is evidence that shows this was like you know, 2010, but for most patients, you're either a doctor or you're a nurse, and so patients will misidentify like even EVS as a nurse, um, because like that's all that they think is there.
13:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
13:35
SPEAKER_03: Um, you're either a doctor or you're a nurse.
13:37
SPEAKER_03: Like they people forget that there's so many roles in the hospital.
13:42
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
13:43
SPEAKER_03: And so it's like that's where I'm kind of like uh reading the evidence, it doesn't look like patients really like the colors help.
13:50
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
13:51
SPEAKER_03: It helps us, like it helps help us.
13:53
SPEAKER_03: Because like I know who my respiratory therapist is, I know who my nurse is when I walk into a room, especially like going to codes on other units.
14:03
SPEAKER_03: Like I know auto, like I know the faces of my nurses, they could wear whatever, and I'd be like, Okay, you're my nurse.
14:10
SPEAKER_03: When I go to other units, I'm like, there's my nurse.
14:13
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I don't know that pharmacist, but they're in their pharmacy colors, so there's my pharmacist.
14:19
SPEAKER_02: Is that how it is at your hospital, Kyle?
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SPEAKER_02: Or is it color-coded by profession?
14:23
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, the providers can wear whatever they want, um, like whatever color they want, but we the so the pharmacy we're grouped with like ancillary staff is what they call it.
14:36
SPEAKER_00: So ancillary staff wears navy.
14:40
SPEAKER_00: And then um the nurses wear blue, like uh why am I blanking?
14:47
SPEAKER_03: Navy.
14:48
SPEAKER_03: Royal blue?
14:49
SPEAKER_03: Royal.
14:49
SPEAKER_00: No, I wear navy.
14:50
SPEAKER_00: Uh it's like royal blue, excuse me.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: Royal blue?
14:53
SPEAKER_00: Royal blue, and the respiratory therapists wear black.
14:57
SPEAKER_00: But my my old hospital, when I trained, the pharmacist wore black.
15:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah.
15:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the nurses wear black for us.
15:05
SPEAKER_02: And then the pharmacists and the archies and the pharmacist wear the same color blue, um similar.
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SPEAKER_03: They wear it like in the Navy family.
15:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
15:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm also allowed to wear business casual, and sometimes I dress up for work, which is fun.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: But then every time I dress up for work is always the time where everything is going down and it's like dressing in the room with your light.
15:31
SPEAKER_00: I'm like mixing drugs during a code with like my butt down on, and then like, okay, this yesterday nothing happened.
15:40
SPEAKER_00: Nothing happened.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: Listen, it was it's not very um conducive to you know being very agile.
15:54
SPEAKER_03: So the the tight sleeves.
15:56
SPEAKER_03: You can't yeah.
15:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, you're your muscles probably are you gonna you gotta make me blunt.
16:07
SPEAKER_01: Why is it every time I why is it every time I come on this podcast I'm blunted?
16:12
SPEAKER_04: We're just your personal hype crew.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: We do it to everybody, but sometimes they don't even realize it.
16:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they don't they don't get it.
16:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
16:21
SPEAKER_00: Well I wish I could be that nonchalant.
16:24
SPEAKER_02: No, I can't imagine having to work in like dress clothes.
16:28
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we've had sometimes when the physicians would be wearing them, and it it was always like that.
16:31
SPEAKER_02: Like, that's the day when it's like a thousand procedures and doing all this stuff.
16:36
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm like, you gotta get you something out, the the scrub locker thing, because you're stressing me out.
16:42
SPEAKER_03: Oh speaking of the scrub locker, I do have a funny story about a doctor with the scrubs.
16:51
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
16:52
SPEAKER_03: So he was a travel doctor, and we came.
16:57
SPEAKER_03: She knows this one.
16:58
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so he was a travel doctor, and he came um, and it was his first shift ever, and it was so busy.
17:05
SPEAKER_03: We came on, it was just me and him on nights, and he came on and we're doing all these procedures, ended up having to do a chest tube, and got like stuff all over his scrubs.
17:16
SPEAKER_03: So then he wanted different scrubs, and so I went and got them, and then he's like, I got a shower.
17:22
SPEAKER_03: So he goes and showers, but then leaves his encore room that's like badge and only and forgot his badge in there, and he comes out and just like his scrub bottoms and a towel, like no top, and he was very big, like very, very, very tall, very, very big, hairy man.
17:47
SPEAKER_03: And he's like, Howdy, can you let me back into the on-call room?
17:51
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, that is not my on-call room.
17:53
SPEAKER_03: I don't have access to it.
17:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, only the physicians, only the physicians.
18:00
SPEAKER_03: So he had to like he was like so insistent on changing his scrubs because he got stuff on him, which like I get, I do it too, but like then adding in the shower too to like clean off.
18:12
SPEAKER_03: And so I ended up having to like sit with my like topless doctor for 30 minutes while we waited for security to come and let him in.
18:23
SPEAKER_04: Wait, is it it was a travel doctor, but but don't wear a messy bun.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: But don't wear messy music.
18:36
SPEAKER_02: But but oh bless his heart.
18:39
SPEAKER_02: Bless his heart.
18:40
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so that's my like funny scrub machine story.
18:44
SPEAKER_03: I don't and you know what?
18:46
SPEAKER_03: I got him scrubs out of the scrub machine and he never gave them back, so I never got my credit back.
18:51
SPEAKER_03: Because you only get so many credits for scrubs, so I never got my credit back.
18:57
SPEAKER_02: Twice the color coding system has screwed me, okay?
19:00
SPEAKER_02: Because twice the nurses were black, the physicians do not, but it was like this is two separate times, but they it was a physician, but I thought they were not a physician because they were wearing black and they ran there messing in my room and like messing with the vent.
19:16
SPEAKER_02: And then one of them was like in a code with me and he was like trying to stick an artery.
19:20
SPEAKER_02: I was like, what are you doing?
19:21
SPEAKER_02: Who are you?
19:22
SPEAKER_02: You can't do that.
19:23
SPEAKER_02: Like, and I was like, Why are you touching the vent?
19:25
SPEAKER_02: Like, who are and they was like, they introduced themselves and they're like, Oh, I'm the new intensivist of blah blah blah.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: I was like, Oh, sorry.
19:34
SPEAKER_02: Um well you don't have a batch on, so I didn't know who you were, and you didn't say anything.
19:38
SPEAKER_02: So, once again, though, why are you touching myself?
19:42
SPEAKER_00: I will say, when I when I wear a business casual and I don't wear scrubs, like similar scenarios happen to me.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: I'll walk into a room because I I I could be anyone, I could be a visitor, but like and I wear my badge, obviously, but like I walk into the rooms and maybe a doctor I don't interact with as much.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: Like I'm there in a code, and I can tell they look at me and they're always like trying to find my badge.
20:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, this would have been just easier if I wore scrubs today.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: But you know what?
20:09
SPEAKER_00: I want it to look good today, you know?
20:11
SPEAKER_00: Sue me.
20:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I want it to look good.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: That's one of those other things where you've you've made yourself into the victim.
20:18
SPEAKER_02: So you did it to yourself.
20:26
SPEAKER_04: I needed a confidence boost today.
20:29
SPEAKER_04: I'm wearing my cute clothes.
20:31
SPEAKER_01: My dog chat on my white carpet.
20:34
SPEAKER_01: Let me feel good.
20:47
SPEAKER_05: But I mean fucking dead.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: I mean, back in the day, I think all the physicians had to wear dress clothes, right?
21:01
SPEAKER_02: Unless they're like in the OR or something.
21:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
21:03
SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, back in the day, like when it was like private practice in the hospitals, you they would come to the hospital brown and then have to go to clinics.
21:12
SPEAKER_03: So like you're not wearing scrubs in the clinic.
21:16
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, then like the white coat and the professional clothes.
21:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
21:20
SPEAKER_03: Um so I think it is interesting.
21:25
SPEAKER_03: Like the the systematic review also looked at when they looked at it, they did see that in different settings patients expect different things.
21:35
SPEAKER_03: And so in acute high acuity settings, they expect us in scrubs, and they feel more comfortable if we're in scrubs, which was interesting finding in that.
21:44
SPEAKER_03: But in the clinic, they're more comfortable if they're in like business casual, and if they're in scrubs, they think it's a little unprofessional.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: I feel like that's just like kind of like what's been normalized over the years, too.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: Because if you own a private practice.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Like as a physician, I'm sure you want to like just you w you want to look professional because you're like this is my place of business.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: I I am here to make sure that you feel like I'm taking this seriously.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: Not that we aren't at the hospital.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: But at the hospital, we have a lot of people that we could be running around doing a lot of things, and I feel like it's very normalized there too to wear scrubs.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: It's a 12-hour shift, so you want to be comfy and you're doing a physical job.
22:27
SPEAKER_02: I, you know, I like the color coding.
22:30
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I sometimes I get tired of always having to wear black, but like that is my favorite color.
22:35
SPEAKER_02: But it's just like, you know, it'd be nice if we could have some variety sometimes, but they have loosened up on our dress coat a lot over the past like four or five years.
22:47
SPEAKER_02: But um, I do kind of miss that we can't wear like our we had special like um shirts that we made that we had made and we could wear them and they were like for our unit, and we always people loved them.
22:59
SPEAKER_02: The patients love them, the families love them, they're like they're so cute.
23:02
SPEAKER_02: But then the hospitals like you can't wear them anymore.
23:06
SPEAKER_02: So that was kind of sad.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: Everybody looked nice, like they look nice, like everybody wore them like nicely with their like trunk bottoms and stuff.
23:13
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't just like random e-shirts and stuff, and we had sweatshirts, so that was kind of sad.
23:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I do miss the shirts because they were they were cute.
23:23
SPEAKER_03: The Leva Lasix love was good.
23:26
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, and it was all like it made into like a heart in the back and it had a lot of stuff.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, it's nice.
23:31
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we oh yeah, like our common phrases we did like a word cloud and a heart.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: That was like and that's like not my thing, and I thought they were cute.
23:41
SPEAKER_02: I really like them.
23:42
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but I'm I I do think it's interesting.
23:47
SPEAKER_03: Like, we have the color coding, they take away the t-shirts, but with all of the companies out there now, like people are still finding a way to like show their personality through the scrums and through the uniforms.
24:01
SPEAKER_03: Like I mean, I rock that jumpsuit now.
24:05
SPEAKER_03: I didn't think it looked good.
24:06
SPEAKER_03: Yes, she does.
24:08
SPEAKER_02: I told you, I told you.
24:09
SPEAKER_02: I was like, you get the undershirt that goes right with it, and you just wear the whole thing.
24:12
SPEAKER_02: I was like, so cute.
24:13
SPEAKER_03: I was like, I did not think my five two ass would look good in it, but I look good.
24:19
SPEAKER_03: Sometimes I look like a painter, but I look good as a painter.
24:22
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
24:23
SPEAKER_03: Sometimes I look like a painter.
24:25
SPEAKER_02: I was wearing my jumpsuit a couple weeks ago, and the attending physician was like, halfway through the shift.
24:31
SPEAKER_02: We've been there the whole time.
24:32
SPEAKER_02: He's like, You're in a onesie?
24:35
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Yeah, I'm in my Power Ranger suit.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: What are you talking about?
24:38
SPEAKER_02: I was like, Go go Power Rangers.
24:41
SPEAKER_02: I was like, unfortunately, it's very tight, and I didn't realize till I got here that I shouldn't have worn it tonight, but yes, he was like, What is happening?
24:47
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, You didn't see my YouTube video?
24:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm so confused.
24:53
SPEAKER_02: Where I did my review.
24:55
SPEAKER_03: Okay, but yeah.
24:56
SPEAKER_03: I don't think I've seen you wear the crop top to work though.
25:00
SPEAKER_03: No.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: A lot of the nurses at my hospital wear the crop top with like a shirt underneath.
25:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:05
SPEAKER_00: Obviously.
25:06
SPEAKER_02: I can wear it with like a long sleeve shirt.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's not it's summer.
25:12
SPEAKER_03: It's hot.
25:14
SPEAKER_03: Kyle, do you wear the joggers as a man?
25:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is I'm actually wearing them right now, and I don't yeah.
25:22
SPEAKER_00: You'll see the ankle.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: I almost just fell over.
25:28
SPEAKER_04: But um he's committed to show us his joggers.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: I I've had the same computer chair since college, so that probably wasn't the smartest idea.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: But um Yeah, I wear them.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: Do you wear them with um like low-cut socks or do you wear uh cursor?
25:56
SPEAKER_00: So if I'm I sometimes I wear compression socks with them, so obviously those go up to your knees, but like I wear primarily ankle socks, like with some sneakers, you know?
26:09
SPEAKER_00: And I don't, especially in the summer, you bring up a good point.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: I hate when there's too much on me.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: So I wear like ankle socks for that reason because if my ankles are hot, then I'm stressed out.
26:23
SPEAKER_02: But that's your that's your that's your trigger.
26:27
SPEAKER_00: That's my that's my threshold.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: Like if I can't see any skin and it's 97 degrees here, I will lose my mind.
26:35
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, you you it's pretty it's very warm down down where you're at.
26:40
SPEAKER_03: A lot warmer.
26:41
SPEAKER_02: Hell, it's unhot as hell here.
26:44
SPEAKER_03: I think I I remember when the joggers first came out and the nurses were wearing them, which okay, first off, I think it's really funny that the joggers came out because when I worked in my nursing home in Wisconsin, Wisconsin doesn't get that warm, so you don't there wasn't ace there wasn't central AC in the nursing home.
27:05
SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, yeah.
27:08
SPEAKER_03: But you would have like a couple of like really warm days.
27:11
SPEAKER_03: The residents could like opt in and get like the little window units, but what we would end up doing as CNAs is we would take rubber bands and essentially like make a jogger so like we could at least cool our legs, band up our bottoms.
27:27
SPEAKER_03: So then when joggers came out, I was like, damn, we could have sold this idea because I was doing that with a freaking rubber band, and I can sew.
27:38
SPEAKER_03: And then I was like, why didn't I just make like why just why was I using a rubber band from the nurse's station to keep my pants on?
27:46
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've never seen you wear joggers at work.
27:49
SPEAKER_03: No, I hate them.
27:52
SPEAKER_03: It was uh it was solely for her comfort.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: I didn't I didn't see I didn't see that coming at all.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: She was like hyping them up.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: She was like, I used to do this, and then she goes, I hate them.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: Well, she always wears converse.
28:04
SPEAKER_02: So I feel like it could be cute, but she she does not wear is it because you're short?
28:07
SPEAKER_02: Why don't you like them?
28:09
SPEAKER_03: Um or you don't like them at all.
28:11
SPEAKER_03: I don't like them at all, I'll be honest.
28:13
SPEAKER_02: On anybody?
28:14
SPEAKER_03: On anyone.
28:15
SPEAKER_03: Damn.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be able to do that.
28:18
SPEAKER_01: I almost just hurt myself.
28:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm just hurt myself trying to show you.
28:24
SPEAKER_02: Like tell us your doctors.
28:25
SPEAKER_02: Actually, I really don't like them on this body.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's cool enough.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: I wish you would have fallen out of that chair.
28:35
SPEAKER_02: Like it probably wouldn't have fell from those joggers.
28:38
SPEAKER_03: Look.
28:39
SPEAKER_03: Look.
28:40
SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't want to see no one's ankle.
28:43
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
28:53
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, it depends for me.
28:57
SPEAKER_02: I remember when the joggers came out.
29:01
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, there's just no way.
29:03
SPEAKER_02: There's no way that these are happening.
29:04
SPEAKER_02: There's no way.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: And then finally I was like, I'm gonna get some.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: And I wore them.
29:12
SPEAKER_02: And I it was like, it was cute.
29:15
SPEAKER_02: It was fine.
29:15
SPEAKER_02: I was like, I don't know if I want to show like the shape of my legs like this, because this is coming off of like the days when we all used to wear like it's like those Cherokee scrub pants that were like kind of long and a little bit looser and kind of flared or whatever.
29:28
SPEAKER_02: And then the figs started coming out and they were like getting real popular, and I was like, gosh, these are cute, but I don't know.
29:34
SPEAKER_02: And I thought, you know, after a couple of times, I was like, okay, these are cute, I like it.
29:38
SPEAKER_02: And then I was working a night shift or something with some dude who was like doing his nurse practitioner rotation over there, and he looked, and I've known this guy for a while, and he looked me up and down, he's like, I don't know about them pants.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: Just like that.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: I don't know about those.
29:56
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure about those.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: I was like, Oh, I'm sorry.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: Did I ask you?
30:03
SPEAKER_02: I was like, that's Abby.
30:07
SPEAKER_02: Was he training with you?
30:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
30:12
SPEAKER_02: I don't know who so I was like, I because it was a couple people around, everybody went real quiet, and I was like, I was like, I don't remember asking you anything.
30:21
SPEAKER_02: I was like, thanks though.
30:24
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure about that.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: Listen, I grew up with two sisters, and uh if there's one thing they taught me is not to walk up to a woman as a man and be like, hey, listen, you know what, you know what you're wearing?
30:36
SPEAKER_00: I don't like it.
30:38
SPEAKER_03: Right.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: Great lesson.
30:39
SPEAKER_03: Common sense.
30:40
SPEAKER_03: That's a great lesson to be taught.
30:42
SPEAKER_03: Don't no one care.
30:45
SPEAKER_02: But I remember when the when the guys started wearing them, I was like, in my head, I was like, I don't know about that.
30:49
SPEAKER_03: When the name I remember there was a doctor that got them first on the unit, and everyone was like, what is he doing?
31:03
SPEAKER_02: Was it a fellow?
31:05
SPEAKER_03: No.
31:06
unknown: Oh dead.
31:08
SPEAKER_00: I feel like I don't know.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I got skinny legs, so I not like super skinny.
31:15
SPEAKER_00: But like look, I don't need chicken legs, okay?
31:18
SPEAKER_00: Let me show you.
31:18
SPEAKER_03: Let me show you again.
31:21
SPEAKER_03: You don't skip leg day?
31:23
SPEAKER_01: I don't skip leg day.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: I don't want, but like, I just have naturally skinnier legs, so like the joggers sometimes do like bunch up on my ankles, which is like fine, cuz I don't know.
31:35
SPEAKER_00: I mean no one wants to.
31:38
SPEAKER_00: There's a little hair in there.
31:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
31:44
SPEAKER_03: I can't work with Abby.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: I gotta I gotta change my wardrobe if I work with Abby.
31:49
SPEAKER_03: No, everyone can wear I don't say anything to anyone.
31:52
SPEAKER_03: She's just like it's just cut, it's just clothes cut.
31:54
SPEAKER_02: I just hear she didn't like them because she's short and she always talks about like her short little legs.
31:59
SPEAKER_02: I do have short little legs.
32:01
SPEAKER_03: No, it's really more I don't like the feeling of like something around my leg.
32:08
SPEAKER_03: Like that's what I don't like.
32:11
SPEAKER_05: Uh-huh.
32:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: I have a pair of scrubs that are kind of like they're called like form X, and they're almost like athletic type scrubs.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: They're not the traditional fabric.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: And those I have like the straight leg ones, and those are awesome.
32:26
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, those make me sweat.
32:29
SPEAKER_02: Those make me sweat something about that fabric.
32:33
SPEAKER_00: It can be cool.
32:34
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, man.
32:36
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
32:38
SPEAKER_02: I um yeah, I see the guys wearing the joggers now.
32:40
SPEAKER_02: I don't even know they can eat of it.
32:41
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh yeah, it's just normal.
32:42
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, now it's normal.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: But now it's back to like this wide leg, extra wide leg, ultra wide leg.
32:49
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, damn.
32:52
SPEAKER_02: To buy some more freaking scrub pants now.
32:55
SPEAKER_02: I want to keep up with the times.
32:57
SPEAKER_03: I mean, it is like a full fashion show now.
33:00
SPEAKER_03: Like you have to like there are styles then you have to keep in with.
33:05
SPEAKER_03: But um, I like it.
33:07
SPEAKER_03: I I like that people can still express what they want through little pieces of their uniform.
33:12
SPEAKER_03: Like I do wear my Converse, I have like 17 different pairs, so every day it's a different pair.
33:18
unknown: Yeah.
33:19
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: High tops or both.
33:21
SPEAKER_03: And I have like sparkly ones, I've got I got Batman ones that have like Batman comics on them.
33:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, I got heart ones, I've got yellow, I've got gray, like have a whole look.
33:38
SPEAKER_03: They're all another ankle.
33:42
SPEAKER_02: We're getting saucy on this one.
33:45
SPEAKER_02: Scandalous.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: Yours yours was much more graceful than mine was.
33:49
SPEAKER_03: I always just know my fault.
33:57
SPEAKER_02: I love that she has scrub pants on with her clouse.
34:02
SPEAKER_04: Party up top, business on the window.
34:08
SPEAKER_02: No, I I like that there's so many options for scrubs because I mean, you're wearing them 12 hours a day, sometimes three, four, five days a week.
34:17
SPEAKER_02: And yes, while I do think like your main concern should not be like how you look at work, but I think it makes look people look more professional and you're still comfortable personally.
34:27
SPEAKER_02: If you look nice and like now it's like, you know, you tuck your shirt in.
34:30
SPEAKER_02: I was like, I think everybody looks nice.
34:32
SPEAKER_02: Whereas before it was just like, you know, whatever.
34:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, those baggy pants and dance goes and oh, those horrible ones with like you tie it under your boobs or something in power waist.
34:46
SPEAKER_02: I know that you like that.
34:47
SPEAKER_02: I that looks good on you.
34:49
SPEAKER_02: I look like a man or something.
34:52
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
34:53
SPEAKER_02: It never looked good on me.
34:55
SPEAKER_03: I do so okay, but the first the first set of scrubs that people all started like everyone started buying, remember was the Grey's Anatomy.
35:07
SPEAKER_02: Oh yes.
35:08
SPEAKER_03: Like that was you remember that, pal?
35:10
SPEAKER_03: Yes, yeah.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: Like that was a hot ticket.
35:14
SPEAKER_03: That was the first, I feel like, brand that it was like if you had Gray's Anatomy scrubs on, like you were one of you were it on the unit.
35:27
SPEAKER_02: I hated those tops.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: They were soft, they were comfortable.
35:31
SPEAKER_03: They were so soft, they were the soft, and I think that's like that was one of the biggest things because like the other ones they were all like a little stiff, but yeah, I like the fabric of those.
35:44
SPEAKER_02: But I feel like you know, now it's like I feel like I don't even know what all the brands are.
35:49
SPEAKER_02: If I just were six, I feel like nice to Tom.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: That's what yeah.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: There's so many nowadays.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: There's so many.
35:56
SPEAKER_03: There's so many brands, and that's that's what I was saying, is I was like at the nursing home, we were like make we were like fixing our scrubs to match and all like what we needed functionally, and I was like, I could have just started a scrub company, like and not be doing this.
36:20
SPEAKER_00: We wouldn't be hanging out here with Abby right now if she didn't stay true to her roots.
36:26
SPEAKER_02: We could have done a lot of things.
36:27
SPEAKER_04: Well, and I so I sew too.
36:29
SPEAKER_02: Like that's where I was like, Yeah, you could have made your own headbands.
36:32
SPEAKER_02: Geez, I did scrub headbands.
36:35
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I never thought of that.
36:37
SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'll do that.
36:38
SPEAKER_02: Because now scrub companies will sell those too.
36:41
SPEAKER_02: Fresh and socks, under scrubs, coats, jackets, like this.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: I'm a big best guy.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: Big best guy.
36:53
SPEAKER_03: You're invested.
36:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
36:59
SPEAKER_01: All right, guys.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: That's enough.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: That's a wrap for banter at the bed.
37:06
SPEAKER_01: We thank you for joining us.
37:12
SPEAKER_04: Uh if you go on.
37:16
SPEAKER_04: I bet you any money though the next time you're at work and you're wearing a vest and someone says something to you about it, you're going to be like, Yeah, I'm invested.
37:27
SPEAKER_04: And when you do, and when you do, I better get a text being like, thanks for the joke.
37:39
SPEAKER_02: Wait, were you waiting to say that?
37:40
SPEAKER_02: Or that just came to you?
37:42
SPEAKER_03: No, I say it whenever I'm wearing a vest.
37:45
SPEAKER_03: You just haven't picked up on it.
37:48
SPEAKER_02: You wear the I don't see you wearing a vest a lot.
37:50
SPEAKER_03: I don't wear it much anymore.
37:52
SPEAKER_03: I look my my one vest, it's like, I mean, it is it's busting at the same thing.
37:57
SPEAKER_03: It is like I look like uh like superwoman or wonder woman.
38:02
SPEAKER_03: I look like Wonder Woman in her like top.
38:04
SPEAKER_02: Like it is just like the I cannot I can't bring myself to wear a vest like that.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: It's it's giving fraternity or something.
38:14
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
38:16
SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
38:16
SPEAKER_04: Were you in a fraternity guy?
38:19
SPEAKER_00: I was.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: I I I sure was.
38:29
SPEAKER_02: I ain't never coming back over here.
38:33
SPEAKER_01: I'm getting victim blame.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: I was vulnerable and showed my ankles.
38:54
SPEAKER_02: Oh gosh.
38:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh boy.
38:57
SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
38:58
SPEAKER_02: I I I think they look good on other people.
39:01
SPEAKER_02: I just don't like it on myself.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: Well, when I was a resident, I always wore a vest.
39:07
SPEAKER_00: Always.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: And like it was to the point where people like obviously made comments about it, and then when I graduated residency my first year, they gave me like an award that said best resident ever.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh it wasn't like an award, it was like what my mentor gave me, and it was very funny.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: I still have the thing somewhere around here.
39:31
SPEAKER_00: But I love it.
39:33
SPEAKER_02: That's so cute.
39:35
SPEAKER_03: I really do.
39:37
SPEAKER_03: Okay, let's let's divert a little bit away from like scrubs and let's talk about the the other things, like the tattoos, the piercings, the hair color.
39:47
SPEAKER_03: Like I love it.
39:49
SPEAKER_03: Cause I think that that has changed the most.
39:55
SPEAKER_03: Like I think that the acceptance of it has changed the most.
39:59
SPEAKER_03: I had an I had a nose ring in nursing school and I had to like cover it every every time.
40:08
SPEAKER_03: And now I feel like I see nursing students with it.
40:12
SPEAKER_02: Like nursing school?
40:14
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, one pair of earrings.
40:17
SPEAKER_02: That's all you could have.
40:18
SPEAKER_02: And if you had more, they would like you couldn't go to clinical, you'd take it out.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: That's crazy they can wear them.
40:25
SPEAKER_03: What do you get comments ever, Kyle?
40:27
SPEAKER_03: Because you do have like a very open, full sleeve.
40:31
SPEAKER_00: No, um, in fact, like the patients love it.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: Um and they always talk to me about it, and I have never had someone look at me sideways because of my tattoo.
40:42
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's be I have just recently started practicing and the like I started residency in 2022, and by then it was pretty socially acceptable.
40:53
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know if I would have had the same reaction if I practiced 10 or 20 years ago with a sleeve.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: But um, no, actually it benefits me.
41:04
SPEAKER_00: Everyone like talks about it, everyone loves it.
41:07
SPEAKER_03: It's like an an opener, an opening, like talking piece, like yes, yeah.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: And they'll talk about their tattoos and like you know, and they'll ask me the story of it, you know, it it it helps me develop rapport with patients.
41:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, so yeah, all but positive.
41:25
SPEAKER_02: I never got any on my arms starting out because if you you couldn't show anything when I started, so you'd have to wear a long sleeve shirt all the time.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I will never do that in this in the summer.
41:36
SPEAKER_02: No.
41:38
SPEAKER_02: But people would do it.
41:40
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
41:41
SPEAKER_03: I have I have one here on my arm that people can sometimes see, but I've never gotten I've never gotten any comments, but I do usually have a sweater on.
41:51
SPEAKER_03: Now I did work with one nurse and they had his wife's lips tattooed on his neck.
42:03
SPEAKER_03: I don't hate it.
42:04
SPEAKER_02: I mean she you know, she's like that's mine, and when you go to work, people are gonna hopefully know not to talk to you.
42:12
SPEAKER_03: It was right there.
42:13
SPEAKER_03: There were some nice big lips, and um it was a talking piece.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: I think possession.
42:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
42:20
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't mind it.
42:22
SPEAKER_03: It was a talking piece, but I just remembered there were times that like I think he would get in trouble and they would be like, you gotta cover it, because then he would like have a band-aid over, like a big band-aid over it for a couple of shifts, and then it disappears.
42:36
SPEAKER_03: That's even more suspicious.
42:37
SPEAKER_03: I know.
42:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm like we would have people that would come to work and they would have sleeves on.
42:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, they'd have to wear a hair net because if they had like purple hair or something, they didn't want to dye their hair, so they had to cover it up and then taped up over their stuff.
42:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, they look like they're on drugs, just let them show their blue hair.
42:55
SPEAKER_02: Nobody cares.
42:56
SPEAKER_02: Like, because you couldn't have a facial piercing.
42:58
SPEAKER_02: You weren't supposed to wear like more than like two pairs of earrings and like all this stuff, and now it's much more what you can have a facial piercing, you can have like tattoos as long as they're not um inappropriate or something like that.
43:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you can have fun hair colors, and I love it.
43:17
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've always been of the mind like I don't care about stuff like that.
43:21
SPEAKER_02: You're in there to do your job, like I truly don't care.
43:24
SPEAKER_02: Um and I think you know, even the older generations now, I just think it is more commonplace, and I think that they don't care as much.
43:33
SPEAKER_03: Um but yeah, and it never it never has bothered me.
43:38
SPEAKER_03: I I agree, like some of the people and they'd come and like and we'd have to make them put in on all this crazy stuff, and it was like, Yeah, they they look worse than if you just let them have their purple streaks out.
43:50
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
43:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
43:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm like, why what's going on here?
43:54
SPEAKER_02: Like why you have so many band aids and tape and all this stuff going on?
43:58
SPEAKER_02: Like that just seems even More weird.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: Um I also think there are much more there there are many more things that we should be driving diverting our attention to in the hospital.
44:10
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
44:11
SPEAKER_00: Like nursing ratios, um, all that other stuff before we start talking about a piercing.
44:19
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
44:20
SPEAKER_03: Well yeah.
44:21
SPEAKER_03: And I think I agree.
44:23
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I think that's a good point.
44:24
SPEAKER_03: I mean, are we really going to be firing people because they got a piercing when we can't staff all these beds?
44:30
SPEAKER_00: Like we care more about the parents of our staff than the safety of our patients.
44:36
SPEAKER_00: Not saying all hospitals are like that, but like if if that's the hill they're gonna die on, then I'd be curious to see what they how they prioritize patient safety.
44:45
SPEAKER_02: Right.
44:45
SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
44:46
SPEAKER_02: Well, and they're like, you know, you can't um, you know, obviously you can't have like big fake nails, you're not supposed to do that.
44:51
SPEAKER_02: That's for infection control.
44:53
SPEAKER_02: Um I think in the policy, I don't know if it still says it, you say like something about the makeup.
44:59
SPEAKER_02: Like oh did you say minimal or taste?
45:04
SPEAKER_02: It was something I was like all I see is people walking on these eyelashes that are silent.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: And I don't care.
45:14
SPEAKER_02: I you know, I wouldn't do it.
45:16
SPEAKER_02: You look great because I don't know how you see, but you know, I worry about people who wear these big ass hoop earrings.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that's that's gonna get ripped out or something.
45:28
SPEAKER_03: That but that would be my concern more is it getting ripped out.
45:32
SPEAKER_03: And I can say, like, my hair being down, I did have a patient pull my hair out once.
45:38
SPEAKER_03: And oh my god.
45:40
SPEAKER_03: That that we can tell that story on our workplace violence episode, but like some of the stuff there is risk because we are like uh there are risks.
45:52
SPEAKER_03: There there's just risks.
45:54
SPEAKER_03: Like if you have your long hair down, it's easier for them to pull it.
45:58
SPEAKER_03: If you have big hoop earrings, it is easier for someone to pull it.
46:01
SPEAKER_03: Pull it purposefully, pull it accidentally, like it is a risk.
46:05
SPEAKER_03: You wear two tight scrubs and it rips.
46:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, your thighs just rub together, and one day you go to work and you're okay, and by the time you leave, there's holes there.
46:17
SPEAKER_02: And it just it's it's like, you know, I I did the best I could.
46:20
SPEAKER_02: I gave you a couple good years of my life, and today was the day that the holes just came through.
46:28
SPEAKER_03: Saving lives with thick thighs.
46:30
SPEAKER_02: Thick thighs.
46:32
SPEAKER_02: That doesn't happen.
46:34
SPEAKER_02: That does not happen with my scrubs now, but back in the day, all the time.
46:39
SPEAKER_00: Good thing you're not wearing white scrubs during that.
46:41
SPEAKER_02: There's no way.
46:43
SPEAKER_02: There's just no way.
46:46
SPEAKER_03: Like I would have been fired so quick.
46:50
SPEAKER_03: They would have been like, bitch, what are you wearing under that?
46:54
SPEAKER_03: The first thing I grabbed.
46:57
SPEAKER_02: Our text would wear white pants.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I'm like, we had a nurse, a male nurse that used to work there, and he would wear a black black straw.
47:08
unknown: White.
47:10
SPEAKER_02: Do you remember?
47:11
SPEAKER_02: Do you remember that, Abby?
47:14
SPEAKER_02: I'd be like, buddy, what are you doing?
47:17
SPEAKER_02: White jogger with a black straw top.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: Abby's favorite.
47:24
SPEAKER_03: Just too.
47:26
SPEAKER_03: Okay, look.
47:30
SPEAKER_03: I had an ED visit because of a car accident, and my doctor in the trauma bay.
47:37
SPEAKER_03: I don't know, I did not need to be in the trauma bay, but they put me in the trauma bay.
47:40
SPEAKER_03: My doctor came in with such tight, tight scrubs and joggers.
47:45
SPEAKER_03: I could see his full ankle and calf in the trauma bay.
47:50
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, sir, what if you get blood on that ankle?
47:55
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
47:56
SPEAKER_03: But it they were so tight, I could see his nipple outline.
48:00
SPEAKER_03: Like I could see his nipple out.
48:02
SPEAKER_02: Was this one of the um Gen Z bros that took care of you?
48:05
SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, it was one of the Gen Z bros that took care of me.
48:08
SPEAKER_03: And he went, Bet you got a concussion.
48:11
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, Bet those scrubs are about to rip.
48:14
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
48:15
SPEAKER_03: I should not like wear wear what you want on your body, but I can say as a patient, I was so distracted by his ankles and that nipple outline that I was like, what what's happening?
48:33
SPEAKER_03: What's that sir?
48:34
SPEAKER_03: I know what you mean though.
48:36
SPEAKER_03: I could just t-twist you right now and know exactly what the scrubs are so tight, I am very distracted.
48:45
SPEAKER_02: And girls or boys, I'm like, what are you doing?
48:49
SPEAKER_02: What are you doing?
48:50
SPEAKER_02: But now it's like scrub leggings.
48:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
48:55
SPEAKER_02: I was like, you're gonna get a little creepy.
48:57
SPEAKER_03: But see, that's where we're going to start getting in trouble again.
49:01
SPEAKER_03: Like, it's just like the yoga pants.
49:03
SPEAKER_03: Like the yoga pants were in like scrub colors, they looked like it, but they weren't scrubs.
49:10
SPEAKER_02: You know, like this, okay, my one caveat.
49:13
SPEAKER_02: If you're working and you're pregnant and you're in some maternity scrubs or whatever, the only thing that fits you looks like yoga pants, girl, you wear it.
49:20
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
49:20
SPEAKER_02: You wear it.
49:21
SPEAKER_02: Because you're you're growing a human inside of you.
49:24
SPEAKER_02: But everybody else, I don't know.
49:27
SPEAKER_03: I don't like that.
49:28
SPEAKER_03: Does anyone ever tell you your scrubs are too tight, Kyle?
49:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, I do get a lot of flack about the scrubs I wear, um, because so I have okay, all right.
49:43
SPEAKER_03: Okay, okay.
49:44
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: So I recently I gained a lot of weight during residency.
49:51
SPEAKER_00: And then I lost it when I got out of residency.
49:55
SPEAKER_00: And when I was at my heaviest, I was still wearing the scrubs that I wore like at the beginning of residency, because I I really I had like no money.
50:08
SPEAKER_00: And so I wore like these ri the the same they were like mediums, and I had no business wearing medium-sized pants.
50:18
SPEAKER_00: And I one of my co-residents pulled me as my co-residents at one at one point pulled me aside, and they were like, uh, listen, I can I can see things that I um shouldn't be able to see.
50:37
SPEAKER_03: That does okay.
50:38
SPEAKER_05: Wait, was it a guy or a girl?
50:41
SPEAKER_00: Um both.
50:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh so and and I was and we were your friend, and we can see outlines of things, and I don't want that to be something that you're known for.
50:53
SPEAKER_00: And I go, and uh I got large side scrubs after that.
50:59
SPEAKER_00: So and now I don't wear mediums, and now I probably maybe could fit in mediums, we don't know, but I don't put them on anymore.
51:09
SPEAKER_03: One, thank you for sharing.
51:12
SPEAKER_03: This is a safe space.
51:14
SPEAKER_02: Right?
51:14
SPEAKER_02: That was brave of you to share your story.
51:17
SPEAKER_03: Two, that's a real friend.
51:19
SPEAKER_03: That's a real friend right there.
51:22
SPEAKER_03: Yes, because those men, men, those conversations happen.
51:27
SPEAKER_03: People people be seeing things that we shouldn't be seeing, and everyone will be talking about it, and you know that they don't have a real friend on that unit because they keep showing up wearing it.
51:41
SPEAKER_03: That's a real friend, Kyle.
51:42
SPEAKER_03: You had some real friends.
51:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: It was so funny.
51:47
SPEAKER_00: Like, we they told me at a bar, it wasn't even on the clock.
51:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, like we were just while you were wearing the scrubs?
51:55
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no.
51:56
SPEAKER_00: I was wearing regular clothes that fit me at that point.
51:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:59
SPEAKER_00: And uh they were like, yeah.
52:04
SPEAKER_00: So maybe they had some liquid courage that they in order to tell me, which you know, it works, you know.
52:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
52:12
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've had scrubs that I bought when I was a little bit slimmer.
52:16
SPEAKER_02: And then same thing, like, you know, you fluctuate, and that's okay, but I didn't want to buy a bunch of new scrubs.
52:22
SPEAKER_02: And now, like, if I put them on, because I I've like dropped back down, like they've never resumed their previous shape.
52:29
SPEAKER_02: Like they, they're like scrubs that have gone past the starling curve, and then they're like, they're never coming.
52:35
SPEAKER_05: The starling curve is crazy.
52:40
SPEAKER_04: They're heart failure scrubs at this point.
52:43
SPEAKER_04: You're n staged heart failure.
52:45
SPEAKER_01: A lot of struggle.
52:46
SPEAKER_02: They represent a time in my life where I you know, just have memories.
52:52
SPEAKER_03: Scrubs will tell you real quick if you have gained weight.
52:56
SPEAKER_03: I will say that.
52:58
SPEAKER_02: But and I'm telling you, sometimes you don't you're trying to get ready for work, you get to work, and you don't realize until it's too late, and you're like, that you s you squat to do something, you're like, ooh, ooh, ooh, I do not have as much.
53:11
SPEAKER_02: You know, um mama, Amanda, our friend, that's on here a lot of times.
53:17
SPEAKER_02: She's talking about when they are scrubs.
53:20
SPEAKER_02: She was having like a full crash out.
53:21
SPEAKER_02: It's like you if you're if your ankles were sweaty.
53:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, and she was like, and I'm and I'm mad, and I'm hot, and I'm my scrubs are so tight.
53:28
SPEAKER_02: You can see my whiskers in the front, they're so tight.
53:30
SPEAKER_02: And I couldn't stop laughing about heat on myself because she said whiskers.
53:34
SPEAKER_02: Talking about the front of your scrubs being too tight and like the crease of your legs.
53:40
SPEAKER_01: My whiskers.
53:41
SPEAKER_02: Whiskers.
53:44
SPEAKER_02: Never have I ever forgotten that.
53:47
SPEAKER_02: So whenever I see somebody, I'm like, your whiskers show your whiskers.
53:51
SPEAKER_02: And another is like, what is she talking about?
53:52
SPEAKER_02: I was like, think about it for a second.
53:54
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I was like, they're not that tight.
53:56
SPEAKER_02: I think you're just having a crash.
53:58
SPEAKER_02: You're having a non-free crash.
54:06
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, and you get to work and you you're you're just too late and you're like, oh god, it's been a long day of trying to all day.
54:14
SPEAKER_02: I'll try to put a phone in the pocket.
54:16
SPEAKER_02: Nope.
54:16
SPEAKER_03: Nothing's going in these pockets.
54:18
SPEAKER_03: Don't eat, don't eat a big lunch.
54:20
SPEAKER_03: Liquid lunch only today.
54:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
54:25
SPEAKER_03: That'll do it.
54:26
SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
54:28
SPEAKER_03: Oh I'm I thought we would like this would be like a smaller episode, but I guess we got a lot of opinions on scrubs.
54:39
SPEAKER_03: But we are a lot of experiences.
54:41
SPEAKER_03: A lot of experiences.
54:42
SPEAKER_03: Any final thoughts?
54:44
SPEAKER_03: Anything else we want to get out before we wrap up?
54:47
SPEAKER_03: No.
54:48
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
54:48
SPEAKER_02: I'm I like I like seeing people, you know, kind of show their personalities and yeah.
54:56
SPEAKER_02: You know, I want you to I think people should be like comfortable.
55:00
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we basically get to wear pajamas to work, so like you know, you can look sloppy and still do a great job.
55:06
SPEAKER_02: Or you know, you look professional and it's just it's nice.
55:08
SPEAKER_02: I think it's it's come a long way.
55:10
SPEAKER_02: But you know, as far as the other stuff, I don't know.
55:13
SPEAKER_02: I'd love to hear from people if they still have like a stricter dress code policy.
55:17
SPEAKER_02: Or yeah, you know, can you wear a messy bun?
55:21
SPEAKER_03: Were you at the hospital that banned the messy buns?
55:23
SPEAKER_03: I mean, but I I do also think like I agree with Kyle, like is this really the hills that we're dying on at the hospital right now?
55:33
SPEAKER_03: Or should we be like, we really need to be focusing on other things, but I do love everyone getting to express their own style, have your tattoos, have your piercings, have your hair, let me see who you are.
55:45
SPEAKER_03: And I think it also like Kyle experience, like it just makes the patient see that you're more of a human too.
55:52
SPEAKER_03: Like, I'm a person with a life outside of here.
55:54
SPEAKER_03: Healthcare healthcare workers are people too, and we have likes and things outside of here.
56:02
SPEAKER_03: So any final thoughts, Kyle?
56:07
SPEAKER_03: You want to show that ankle again?
56:15
SPEAKER_02: You're just gonna start posting source jobs is like, here's my ankle.
56:20
SPEAKER_00: Just like in slow-mo.
56:22
SPEAKER_00: Um I'll put on my mediums for that one.
56:27
SPEAKER_00: Um Dead.
56:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh no, some I mean, just some final thoughts.
56:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, I I don't think it's that serious.
56:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, I and I might be extremely biased, but when you go when if I were to be a patient and I see someone, a professional, looking good and feeling good, I feel like that's gonna translate into the work that they do.
56:53
SPEAKER_00: And I don't want them to just be forced to wear something that is uncomfortable or they don't like the way they look in it.
57:00
SPEAKER_00: Because I firmly believe if you feel if you look good, you feel good in your own perspective.
57:05
SPEAKER_00: So um I think we should just stop with this whole expectation of healthcare workers of not looking good.
57:15
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
57:16
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't make sense to me.
57:17
SPEAKER_03: Address your biases.
57:19
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
57:20
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
57:21
SPEAKER_02: Don't stop rejecting on me.
57:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
57:24
SPEAKER_03: Well, send us in your comments.
57:26
SPEAKER_03: Let us know about your uniforms.
57:28
SPEAKER_03: What does your hospital do?
57:31
SPEAKER_03: Let us know your thoughts on some of our opinions.
57:34
SPEAKER_03: Do you agree?
57:34
SPEAKER_03: Should we have tiger dress codes?
57:36
SPEAKER_03: Should we loosen it up?
57:37
SPEAKER_03: Should we go back to just wearing whatever we want?
57:40
SPEAKER_03: Do you have a favorite scrub?
57:42
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57:42
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57:51
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57:52
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57:54
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57:54
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58:01
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58:02
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