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015 - Jane Seymour - The Favourite Queen · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: You're listening to an airwave media podcast. Hi everybody, and
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Speaker 1: welcome back to Who Did What Now? The history podcast
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Speaker 1: that is not your history class with me, your disorganized
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Speaker 1: hoast Katy Charlewood mccab unicorn and reader of books. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: this episode's a little sooner than what you're used to.
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Speaker 1: If you are used to being here, and if you're new,
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Speaker 1: Hi and welcome. I don't usually do this many episodes
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Speaker 1: in a week, but here we go. Because it is
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Speaker 1: Women's History Month. I decided to give myself the challenge.
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Speaker 1: And I have such a habit of starting a challenge
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Speaker 1: and then giving up halfway through. But I was like, no,
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Speaker 1: I'm determined. I'm going to power through, and so I
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Speaker 1: am working my way through these sex Tudor queens. You
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Speaker 1: can be like, no, Queen Concert, I don't care. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to call them the six Tudor Queens, the six
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Speaker 1: wives of Henry the Eighth And even so, technically he
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Speaker 1: was only married two or three times, depending on how
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Speaker 1: you want to look at it, with whether you're going
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Speaker 1: by canon law or Church of England, and whether you
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Speaker 1: take into consideration annulments and divorces and so on and
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Speaker 1: so forth, we have already discussed Catherine of Aragon number one,
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Speaker 1: number two, Anne Berlin, and number three we have now
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Speaker 1: on to Jane Seymore, who everyone seems to think is
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Speaker 1: sweetness and light, but I'm not convinced. I think generally
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Speaker 1: our perception of Jane Seymore comes from the fact that
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Speaker 1: everything is rooted in Henry's misogyny. If you haven't listened
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Speaker 1: to the other episodes, you don't have to, But like,
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Speaker 1: if you want to have a greater understanding of the timeline,
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Speaker 1: it may interest you to go back and listen to
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Speaker 1: Catherine of Aragon the True Queen and Anne Berlin the
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Speaker 1: Divisive Queen. What did I call it? I called it something.
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Speaker 1: I said it before and I said it again. They
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Speaker 1: all deserve their stories to be told in their own right,
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Speaker 1: So each queen gets her own episode, and that's just
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Speaker 1: how it's going to be. I'm sick and tired of
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Speaker 1: them always being in addition to his story is if
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Speaker 1: their lives are irrelevant unless attached to him, and they're not,
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Speaker 1: because there were people to and frankly, I am quite happy.
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Speaker 1: Happy as a peculiar way to put it, but frankly,
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Speaker 1: I like that I have something to distract me from
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Speaker 1: more disastrous history repeating itself attacks against women, and you
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Speaker 1: might be like, the women have to deal with stuff
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Speaker 1: every day. If you don't want to hear me, Ran,
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Speaker 1: just skip forward like minute and you'll be fine. And
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Speaker 1: the story is tragic and I don't even know if
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Speaker 1: it was preventable, and I'm angry and i am upset.
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Speaker 1: And then the misogynistic rhetoric which is being regarditated regarding women,
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Speaker 1: stating that we are it is our fault that we
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Speaker 1: get attacked, It is our fault that men follow us home.
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Speaker 1: It is our fault that many many men feel that
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Speaker 1: they are entitled to our time and our bodies. I
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Speaker 1: don't care how well you know me. I don't care
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Speaker 1: if we've been best friends my entire life. I don't
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Speaker 1: care if we're good friends over related or I fucking
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Speaker 1: raised you. If you cannot be responsible and respectful, and
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Speaker 1: if you believe that you are entitled to another person,
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Speaker 1: fuck you, fuck that, and fuck off.
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Speaker 2: I will not be standing by your side. I'll be
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Speaker 2: standing on your fucking neck. Okay, Ran over, Okay, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I hear you. You've ranted enough, Katie, quit that jibber
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Speaker 2: jabber in fact me, well, I shall, but first of all,
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Speaker 2: gotta get those sources.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's red turtles. It's sourcing time. So we have
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Speaker 1: Jane's Henry the Eighth's True Love by Elizabeth Norton, and
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Speaker 1: also Jane Seymour Henry the Eighth's Favorite Wife by David Loads.
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Speaker 1: Also the Ambulanfells dot com, Biography dot com, History dot com,
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Speaker 1: and Britannica dot com and I Kid You Not Nachio
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Speaker 1: Kids dot com the Six Wives of Henry Eighth. As
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Speaker 1: you can tell by some of the sources there, Jane
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Speaker 1: Simore is generally seen as Henry's favorite wife, and she's
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Speaker 1: also seen as very obedient and docile. However, I think
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Speaker 1: Jane Seymour was a wily bitch, and we're gonna talk
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Speaker 1: about it. Let's start at the beginning. Jen was born
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Speaker 1: most likely, Remember that women in the past weren't really
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Speaker 1: seen as that important and unless you were like of
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Speaker 1: high nobility, so like, unless you're a princess or something,
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Speaker 1: very unlikely they're gonna have your exact birthdate. So Jane
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Speaker 1: Seymour was born somewhere between fifty four in fifteen oh nine,
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Speaker 1: not your when, So she was either born at Wilfall
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Speaker 1: in Wiltshire or Westborough Manor in Somerset. Flip will Coin
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Speaker 1: guess we'll figure it out. So yeah, Jane was born
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Speaker 1: somewhere in England at some point at the turn of
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Speaker 1: the sixteenth century to Sir John Seymour and Marjorie went With.
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Speaker 1: Her family are relatively well respected because through her maternal
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Speaker 1: grandfather she was a descendant of Lionel of Antwerp, the
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Speaker 1: first Choke of Clarence So, which made her a fifth
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Speaker 1: cousin of Henry the eighth. And she also had a
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Speaker 1: great grandmother Elizabeth Cheney, Elizabeth Cheney with his second and
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Speaker 1: fifth wife, Anne Boleyn, and Catherine Howard, who will get
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Speaker 1: to it later on. So although her family were well
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Speaker 1: respected and of course were nobles, she was lower in
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Speaker 1: rank than obviously Katherine of Argon, who was a princess
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Speaker 1: in Anne Boleyn, and even Anne Boleyn in her was
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Speaker 1: quite different to Catherine and Anne. Well. While Katherin of
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Speaker 1: Ragon and Anne Boleyn had a very progressive education, Jane's
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Speaker 1: was somewhat less so was more fitting to what a
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Speaker 1: wife should have had. So Jane wasn't illiterate she could
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Speaker 1: read and write a little, but she was more skilled
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Speaker 1: in things like needlework and household management, which were generally
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Speaker 1: seen as you know, very typical of what a lady
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Speaker 1: should have. In fact, but she was actually she didn't
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Speaker 1: just do needlework, she was actually really proficient in it.
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Speaker 1: And apparently apparently her needlework was so beautiful and intricate
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Speaker 1: and elaborate that it actually survived up until the sixteen hundreds,
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Speaker 1: so for another century, at which point it was then
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Speaker 1: given back to at which point it was then given
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Speaker 1: back to the Seymour family and after that, I'm not
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Speaker 1: really sure what happened to her embroidery. Jane actually had
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Speaker 1: eight siblings. The Seymours were known for having a lot
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Speaker 1: of kids, so yeah, Jane's main role in her life
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Speaker 1: was to was to wife up pop out a bunch
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Speaker 1: of kids, preferably boys obviously, and that's that was kind
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Speaker 1: of her role, and that's where her education was leading hurt.
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Speaker 1: So the Seymours were an ambitious family and her older brothers,
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Speaker 1: Edward and Thomas, they ended up becoming close advisors to
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Speaker 1: King Henry the eighth, and she ended up being a
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Speaker 1: maid of honor for Henry's first wife, Catherine of Aragon,
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Speaker 1: and she really looked up to Catherine in her younger years.
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Speaker 1: When she was a young lady, she was courting William Dormer,
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Speaker 1: the son of Sir Robert and Lady Dormer. But even
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Speaker 1: though William and Jane were betrothed and we're looking forward
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Speaker 1: to something, his mum put the kybosh on it because
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Speaker 1: she thought Jane just wasn't noble enough, which is kind
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Speaker 1: of funny when you think about where she ended up.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, so she's in her late teens, early twenties
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Speaker 1: and she's serving Katherine of Aragon. She watched their marriage
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Speaker 1: crumble and the estrangement and everything else that goes with it,
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Speaker 1: and she watched from the sidelines as Henry and Anne
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Speaker 1: began their affair, their marriage and so on and so forth.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, by fifteen thirty three, Anne was Queen of England.
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Speaker 1: So while Henry was besotted with Anne in his own way,
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Speaker 1: Jen was just sort of hanging out in the background.
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Speaker 1: And as we know, Anne was an exotic beauty compared
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Speaker 1: to the people of England. She was she had sallow skin,
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Speaker 1: dark eyes, chestnut hair, and Jane was very much the
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Speaker 1: opposite of that. She had blue eyes and blonde hair,
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Speaker 1: and she was incredibly pale. Modern historians think that she
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Speaker 1: may have suffered from anemia or something to that effect,
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Speaker 1: or maybe she just never went out in the sun,
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Speaker 1: who knows, but she very much had that ideal look
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Speaker 1: of the Tudor rose, pale, blonde, demure, so on and
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Speaker 1: so forth. Jen is often described as meek and mild
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Speaker 1: mannered and like really calm and serene, and I think
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Speaker 1: there's a lot more bubbling underneath that surface. So even
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Speaker 1: though she really admired and really loved Queen Catherine, when
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Speaker 1: Anne Boleyn became Queen, she seamlessly just slipped on in
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Speaker 1: there and became her lady in waiting. Well, Jane is
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Speaker 1: at the sidelines watching and marriage to Henry Crumble. I
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Speaker 1: found it really funny that the very thing that Am
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Speaker 1: Boleyn is chastised for, Jane Seymour gets praised. So yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: Jane was at court in just a couple of years.
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Speaker 1: She saw Henry the Eighth completely break away from the
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Speaker 1: Catholic Church, change England's religion, divorce Katherine of Aragon and
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Speaker 1: marry Ane Boleyn, and then and Henry is no longer
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Speaker 1: content with Anne's fiery ways. He enjoyed Catherine's intelligence, he
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Speaker 1: enjoyed Anne's intelligence, and now he wanted someone who was
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Speaker 1: the exact opposite of his previous wives, and so enter Jane.
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Speaker 1: And people say Jane wasn't smart. Jane had to be.
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Speaker 1: And Jane was so aware that Anne Boleyn was coming
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Speaker 1: down because you pay attention, and she also had her
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Speaker 1: brothers in court advising Henry, so he ensured that she
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Speaker 1: was the exact opposite of Anne. Anne was bold and
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Speaker 1: brash and outspoken and fiery, and Jane she always portrayed
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Speaker 1: herself as mild mannered or shy or fucking meek. So
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Speaker 1: in fifteen thirty six and is pregnant, and Henry had
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Speaker 1: already started to attempt to court Jane Seymour. And here's
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Speaker 1: the thing. Anne Boleyn had enemies coming from her from
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Speaker 1: both sides, so no matter what Anne did, and without
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Speaker 1: a male heir and was doomed, she was dommed. So
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Speaker 1: Henry is courting, or at least trying to court Jane.
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Speaker 1: He starts flirting with Jen at court events and at balls,
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Speaker 1: and he starts playing the courtly game of love and
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Speaker 1: Jane plays back, and he is doing the same thing
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Speaker 1: he did with Anne. He sends her letters, he sends
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Speaker 1: her gifts, and she does again the exact opposite of
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Speaker 1: what Anna does. Instead of responding to the letters, instead
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Speaker 1: of accepting the gifts, she returns them unopened. But it's
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Speaker 1: quite funny because Jane followed Anne's blueprint and during Henry's flirting,
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Speaker 1: he gives her a purse of gold and tells her
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Speaker 1: to say it until she makes a good marriage. So
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Speaker 1: she holds onto this coin purse up until that winter
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Speaker 1: after they're married, and she hands it back to him
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Speaker 1: like I made it good marriage. And the funny thing
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Speaker 1: is Henry's interest in Jane is only about three months
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Speaker 1: before Anne's execution, so Jane is about twenty seven years
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Speaker 1: old at this point, and as such, she was kind
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Speaker 1: of seen as an old may and there was a
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Speaker 1: rumor going around that basically that Jane wasn't pure as
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Speaker 1: so basically she was never see There is a theory
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Speaker 1: that Henry liked this idea because it meant that he
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Speaker 1: would have grounds for divorce, although with his preference in
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Speaker 1: the way that he saw himself, I don't really hold
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Speaker 1: any water to that because he wanted a true queen
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Speaker 1: so that he could have a true heir, because again,
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Speaker 1: fucking divine rights the kings he's obsessed with anyhow, So
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Speaker 1: Anne Boleyn is pregnant, and if this is a boy,
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Speaker 1: Jen doesn't really stand much of a chance, and honestly,
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Speaker 1: we don't know if Jane would have been happy just
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Speaker 1: being the king's mistress. Eventually, she does accept a gift
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Speaker 1: from Henry, and it's a locket, a beautifully crafted Lockett
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Speaker 1: necklace with a day tiny portrait of him inside, which
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Speaker 1: is even cooler when you think that's exactly what he
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Speaker 1: did to Anne, except it was a bracelet instead of
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Speaker 1: a necklace. Jen held herself and portrayed herself in a
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Speaker 1: way that was docile and gentle mannered in court, but
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Speaker 1: when it came to Anne, she happily paraded her flirtation
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Speaker 1: with Henry. And she stood there opening and closing her
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Speaker 1: locket so that Anne could see, and Anne, being Anne
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Speaker 1: pregnant and fucking mad, rips it so hard off of
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Speaker 1: her neck that her fingers bleed. So Jene, deciding to
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Speaker 1: rub salt in the wind, she decides for her ps
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Speaker 1: to resistance, She's going to get the young lady Mary,
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Speaker 1: Henry and Catherine's daughter on her side. So yeah, she
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Speaker 1: aligns herself with Mary Tutor. So even before Jane and
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Speaker 1: Henry get married, she was trying to bring Mary back
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Speaker 1: to court. Jane knew Mary from when she served Catherine
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Speaker 1: of Argon, and she watched Mary get cast aside, and
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Speaker 1: she just bided her time. Jane was able to do
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Speaker 1: what Anne couldn't, So I mean, considering Mary fucking despised
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Speaker 1: Anne Boleyn, it wouldn't have been hard to get her
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Speaker 1: on side. So there's the jousting tournament where Henne gets
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Speaker 1: knocked off his horse and is unconscious for two hours,
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Speaker 1: and this is generally used is the reason that the
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Speaker 1: shock of this caused Anne's miscarriage, But the other story
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Speaker 1: goes that she walked in on lovely darling Jane sitting
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Speaker 1: on Henry's lap, and so the stress of the event,
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Speaker 1: basically mate causes Anne to miscarry her baby, which some
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Speaker 1: people refer to as a mass while others referred to
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Speaker 1: as definitely being a boy. So either way, this is
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the end for Anne Boleyn. Absolutely without
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Speaker 1: a son and heir, she was gone, her place was ruined,
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Speaker 1: So while Anne is recovering from, you know, the physical
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Speaker 1: and mental trauma of her miscarriage, Jane and her family
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Speaker 1: are moved into royal Quarters, the same thing Henry did
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Speaker 1: with Catherine, and on the nineteenth of May fifteen thirty six,
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Speaker 1: Queen Anne is executed and Jane was now ready. The
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Speaker 1: very next day, yes I do mean the very next day,
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Speaker 1: t Henry and Jane ar betrothed. They're engaged. It's and
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Speaker 1: ten days later Henry the eighth and Jane Seymour Mary
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Speaker 1: in a relatively private wedding ceremony at Whitehall Palace. So
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Speaker 1: that was the thirtieth of me And five days later,
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Speaker 1: June announces his new queen, his new Queen Jane, to
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Speaker 1: the public. So Jane, even though we call her Queen Jen,
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Speaker 1: never actually gets a coronation because one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: they use is they say that because the plague was
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Speaker 1: raging through London at the time, that Henry kept putting
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Speaker 1: off the coronation for safety reasons. But there's always a possibility,
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Speaker 1: because you know, Henry's an absolute gober mouch that he was,
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Speaker 1: he was holding off until Jane prevented him with his
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Speaker 1: son and Air. So as a wedding present. When Henry
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Speaker 1: and Jane get married, he grants her one hundred and
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Speaker 1: four manors across four counties, actual forests and including places
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Speaker 1: where she can go on a hunting trip. And Jene
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Speaker 1: liked to hunt. So again, Jane deliberately made herself the
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Speaker 1: exact opposite of Anne. When Anne Boleyn had many courtiers
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Speaker 1: and many maids and surrounded herself with people, and Jene
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Speaker 1: was stripped down. So Jane simmon court. So Anne loved
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Speaker 1: her parties and the galat and the fun. And what
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Speaker 1: Jane did is she rained everything in. Everything was about
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Speaker 1: decorum and like respectability and so on and so forth.
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Speaker 1: So before and after she very much projected this good girl,
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Speaker 1: do cell wife image. Jane gives herself the motto bound
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Speaker 1: to obey and serve. She made her ladies in waiting
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Speaker 1: follow this code of conduct, so they had to be
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Speaker 1: chased and think only about how they could serve God
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Speaker 1: and be virtuous. We can take this from the perspective that, oh,
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Speaker 1: it's about ensuring that they're you know, they follow the
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Speaker 1: good way, the Catholic way, because Jane was a conservative Catholic.
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Speaker 1: Or it could be well, Jane was a lady in
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Speaker 1: wedding for two of his former queens, and Anne was
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Speaker 1: a lady in wedding or former queen Bessie Blout was
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Speaker 1: a lady in wading for Catherine of Argon and so
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Speaker 1: on and so forth, and will Henry had like tried
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Speaker 1: to remove as much of Anne as possible, Jane followed suit.
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Speaker 1: So Anne Bolin had brought very much the French style
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Speaker 1: to the English court and sort of the European styles
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Speaker 1: that were from the continent, and Jane banned them. She
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Speaker 1: banned French clothing. She wanted English styles. Jane is how
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Speaker 1: it is being married to Henry the eighth. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of like you're walking on eggshells, but you've also got
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Speaker 1: people throwing tomatoes at you, like except and you're surrounded
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Speaker 1: by vipers. Like it's not an easy thing to do.
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Speaker 1: So Jane, you went to push, and she knew went
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Speaker 1: to pull. And this is why she's really wily, right,
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Speaker 1: So a couple of months into their marriage, she goes
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Speaker 1: down on her knees and she begs Henry to restore
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Speaker 1: the abbey's that he had destroyed and trashed and wiped out.
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Speaker 1: And what he does is warn her of what happened
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Speaker 1: to wives who meddle in his affairs, and so she
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Speaker 1: backed out. Jane probably had him at his best, you know,
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Speaker 1: he was a little bit less tyranty, He was a
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Speaker 1: bit more child. Anna was a bit more antagonistic, and
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Speaker 1: Jane was soothing to him, mainly because she massaged his
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Speaker 1: ego and vernice. If she hadn't given him a son,
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Speaker 1: it might very well have been a very different state
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Speaker 1: of affairs. Jane paid attention to Henry's moods and mood swings,
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Speaker 1: and she was careful about where she tread. But also
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Speaker 1: this is before he puts on weight and gets gout
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Speaker 1: and becomes incredibly tyrannical. Then six months after they are married,
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Speaker 1: Jane is pregnant and she is back on this Mary
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Speaker 1: issue again. She wants him to bring Mary back to court,
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Speaker 1: and she sort of slowly but sheer religious Adam and
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Speaker 1: eventually Henry does agree, but on one condition, because as
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Speaker 1: far as Henry is concerned, everybody has to listen to him,
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Speaker 1: everybody because everybody has to agree with him, because he's
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Speaker 1: a self centered douchebag. So even though it's a midpoint
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Speaker 1: and does not matter, he agrees to bring Mary back
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Speaker 1: to court if she states that the marriage of Catherine
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Speaker 1: of Aragon and Henry the eighth was invalid, like she
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Speaker 1: has to sign a document to that effect, and like
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Speaker 1: and here's the thing. Catherine is dead, so it literally
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and so Mary signs up and she's back
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Speaker 1: in the fold. So this actually leads to Henry and
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Speaker 1: fighting Elizabeth back to court for Christmas in fifteen thirty six,
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Speaker 1: which is like some people attribute to Jane, but she
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Speaker 1: never actually fought for Elizabeth to be there. She only
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Speaker 1: fought for Mary. So Jane suffers a miscarriage generally around
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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty six, but she as she gets pregnant pretty
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Speaker 1: soon after that. So Jane's pregnant, she's craving stuff, and
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Speaker 1: she's really really craving quails. So what Henry does is
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Speaker 1: he gets birds shipped in from Calie and Flanders and like,
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Speaker 1: just like all the quail, bring the quail. But by
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Speaker 1: the summer of fifteen thirty seven, Jane is Jane basically
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Speaker 1: retires from all of her public duties as queen and
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Speaker 1: she ends up like having a pretty lonely existence because
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Speaker 1: by September she was in complete confinement, like absolutely she
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Speaker 1: had no social engagements, and her day was spent dealing
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Speaker 1: with doctors and physicians and yeah, proclaimers and shit like
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Speaker 1: it's so, Jane goes into labor on the ninth of
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Speaker 1: October in fifteen thirty seven, and this lasts three days
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Speaker 1: and three nights, and most modern physicians feel like they
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Speaker 1: think the baby was probably in an awkward position and
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Speaker 1: that it was just a long and arduous childbirth. And
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Speaker 1: at two am on the twelfth of October fifteen thirty seven,
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Speaker 1: Jane Seymour gives birth to what you know, would have
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Speaker 1: been her golden ticket, Prince Edward, a boy for Henry.
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Speaker 1: Needless to say, Henry's elated at this finally finally has
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Speaker 1: an air. So on the fifteenth of October, Princess Mary
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Speaker 1: is named Edward's godmother, and Mary even carries Edward's train
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Speaker 1: during the christening along with Elizabeth. Jane should have attended
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Speaker 1: the christening, but you know, the birth was pretty traumatic
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Speaker 1: on her anyway, you know, she was sitting in bed
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Speaker 1: and receiving letters, and so Jane is feeling well that,
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Speaker 1: you know, she so she doesn't go to the christening,
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Speaker 1: but she receives, you know, guests regarding the Christening in
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Speaker 1: her apartments on the fifteenth of October, but then on
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Speaker 1: the sixteenth she starts having diarrhea, and then she starts vomiting,
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Speaker 1: and she is very quickly going downhill. She is very
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Speaker 1: quickly deteriorating, to the point that on the seventeenth of
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Speaker 1: October she's given her last rites. Then she takes a
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Speaker 1: good turn and Henry continues the christening celebrations. But by
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Speaker 1: the nineteenth Jane becomes feverish again and delirious, and Henry
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Speaker 1: is actually concerned about Jane, so that he was supposed
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Speaker 1: to go to esher for the hunting season which was
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Speaker 1: about to start, but he puts it off so that
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Speaker 1: he can be near Jane. And on the twenty third
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Speaker 1: it is very clear that Jane is on her last legs,
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Speaker 1: that she doesn't have long left, and he is summoned
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Speaker 1: to her bedside, and he stays with her that night
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Speaker 1: until she passes on the earliers of the twenty fourth
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Speaker 1: of October, so Henry grieves as much as Henry is
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Speaker 1: able to grieve. He locks himself away and windsor refusing
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Speaker 1: to see anybody for three weeks, and then he wears
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Speaker 1: like a full mourning garb for three months, and he
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Speaker 1: takes up embroidery, which was what Jane was really known
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Speaker 1: for her into and he just starts taking up embroidery
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Speaker 1: because it reminds him of Jane. There are arguments about
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Speaker 1: war actually killed Jane. There's a suggestion that it started
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Speaker 1: off as food poisoning but then suffered an embolism in
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Speaker 1: the heart, but there's possibility of a bacterial infection. And
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Speaker 1: the other option is or like part of the placenta
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Speaker 1: was still on the body. So on and so forth.
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Speaker 1: Jane Seymour died at the age of twenty nine and
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Speaker 1: was queen for less than two years. Her funeral was
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Speaker 1: held on the twelfth of November in fifteen thirty seven,
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Speaker 1: and this was held at Windsor Castle, with Mayor Tudor
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Speaker 1: acting as the chief mourner. What's weird about Jane is
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Speaker 1: that apart from her asking Henry with the monasteries, like,
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Speaker 1: we don't have any quotes from her, like none in
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Speaker 1: two years, nothing, no official statements like, none of it's there.
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Speaker 1: It's just weird that there's nothing in record, considering she
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Speaker 1: was Henry's favorite because she brought him the boy in
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Speaker 1: the future. When Henry is married to Catherine Parr, he
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Speaker 1: commissions this family portrait of him and his children, and
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Speaker 1: instead of his wife Katherine Parr being in it, Henry
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Speaker 1: and Jane. When Henry dies in fifteen forty seven, his
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Speaker 1: last wish is for his attendance to bury him beside Jane.
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Speaker 1: Henry and Jane are interred in a vault in Saint
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Speaker 1: George's Chapel in winder Castle. The original tim he had
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Speaker 1: planned was only partially constructed and never got completed. But like, yeah, whatever,
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Speaker 1: it would be very interesting to see se what Jane
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Speaker 1: could have done had she been less dead. It's like
25:05
Speaker 1: some people think that Jane was a pawn and that
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Speaker 1: she sort of flitted between shit and but I just
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Speaker 1: don't like the fact that we vilify and for this behavior,
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Speaker 1: but when it comes to Jane it's seen as somehow virtuous,
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Speaker 1: Like that doesn't make sense to me, But we do
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Speaker 1: have to take consideration the sociological and cultural perspective of
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Speaker 1: the time. Henry was relentless, and he's the king and
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Speaker 1: he gets what he wants. And sometimes I think that
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Speaker 1: Anne didn't really have a choice when it came to
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Speaker 1: Henry's advances. And as such did generally have a chance.
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Speaker 1: Was it ever really an option for her, especially considering
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Speaker 1: her age, Like I doubt she was biding her time
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Speaker 1: awaiting Henry ganois her. It is good for thought in it,
25:51
Speaker 1: But anyway, therein lies our story of Jane Seymour, Henry's
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Speaker 1: favorite queen. So what have we learned today? The only
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Speaker 1: way to be good it is to have a son
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Speaker 1: and then die instantly. Diarrhea is nobody's friend. Okay, we've
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Speaker 1: learned that perception and propaganda are absolutely prominent, and then
26:10
Speaker 1: everything is about perspective. Jane Seymour probably wouldn't have been
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Speaker 1: as revered had a Berlin not been seen as such
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Speaker 1: a homewrecker like she bewitched and usurped the throne, whereas
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Speaker 1: Jane was so good and was the savior of the
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