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Patriots Unfiltered 3/7: NFL Combine Recap, Who Raised their Stock, Free Agency Preview · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: origion poet, Welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. And then the snow
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered is Tuesday here at
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  Speaker 1: Gilette Stadium and the gangs all back in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: It's Deuce, it's Evan, Deuson, Evan back from the combine, Paul, myself,
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  Speaker 1: Matt and the booth and uh, like I said, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Deuce and Evan are back from the combine, so they'll
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  Speaker 1: have their war stories, their breakdowns of what their takeaways
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  Speaker 1: are from the combine. We also want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in the league. Rumors about Derek Carr
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  Speaker 1: going to the Saints, what does that do with the
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  Speaker 1: Jets and Aaron Rodgers and all that stuff. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot to talk about in terms
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  Speaker 1: of the quarterback movement. Franchise tag is coming up today
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  Speaker 1: at four o'clock. The uh Tony Poler is getting getting
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  Speaker 1: whacked here. Yeah, one, one year, ten million, So there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot going on, um thick, it should be a
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  Speaker 1: good show. But off the top, Deuson Evan, you know, um,
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  Speaker 1: how you're doing? Have you recovered. Oh yeah, it was good.
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  Speaker 1: We had a couple of days to regroup, but that
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  Speaker 1: was it was cool. I mean the first couple of
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  Speaker 1: years I went, I only we only went till I
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  Speaker 1: think Thursday, so you know, we stayed the full time
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  Speaker 1: and we're able to. I mean, I think now you
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  Speaker 1: have to because they put the quarterbacks, the wide receivers
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  Speaker 1: in the tight ends um on Friday, which I was
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  Speaker 1: actually talking. I don't know. I don't know if if
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  Speaker 1: Fitzee an Andy show qualifies as one of your shows, Paul,
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like there are two there are two
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  Speaker 1: former dance partners that we we switched up and now
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  Speaker 1: I danced with Paul and Fitze and Andy dance together. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But they moved the quarterbacks, the wide receivers and head
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  Speaker 1: ends to Friday, so then they worked out Saturday. So
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  Speaker 1: when we were leaving Saturday, you were just seeing all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of NFL fans streaming into the area, going to Shapiro's,
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  Speaker 1: walking over to Lucas Oil Stadium. So I think, from
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  Speaker 1: you know, like out of a marketing standpoint, that's why
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  Speaker 1: they did it, to get those skill positions on display
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  Speaker 1: there for a Saturday and a lot of families going.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they charged tickets or anything, but
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  Speaker 1: they look like look like a good time. So it
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  Speaker 1: seems like they're trying to expand it a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're another year in Indie. But uh, but overall, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was good time. Tons of guys just
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  Speaker 1: rolling them in. Are they still doing the thing at
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  Speaker 1: the combine where you know public can come and watch
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  Speaker 1: and you have the radio that you can listen to commentary.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about the radio. I mean, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: people probably a stream an NFL network to listen to
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  Speaker 1: the fine work that the rich Eyes and the Daniel
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah were doing. Um, but I'm not sure to that.
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  Speaker 1: But there were, you know, good cross section of fans
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  Speaker 1: we saw. We went to Shapiros. On our way out,
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  Speaker 1: we saw Romandre Stevenson Jersey, so, you know, a little
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  Speaker 1: Patriots loved Shapiro's. It's a Delhi down there. It's a
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  Speaker 1: Matt Smith favorite. Have you there? Have you been there? Was?
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  Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? Unfortunately? Though we went there, we're
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  Speaker 1: very excited than excited. Never been there either, right, And
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  Speaker 1: of course we had to sit next to some old
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  Speaker 1: lady who I don't know how COVID didn't get her,
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  Speaker 1: but man, she was coughing up along the whole time
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  Speaker 1: next to us. Just it just ruined and ruined the
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  Speaker 1: whole meal. We were all bummed out leaving. We're like,
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  Speaker 1: well that was that was stunk like that, the poor
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  Speaker 1: lady coughing all over the place. But yeah, so good food,
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  Speaker 1: good steaks, good. Yeah. So you mentioned a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the skill positions in the weekend. I didn't see any
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  Speaker 1: reports of like eye popping forties this year, Like, no,
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  Speaker 1: did I just miss that? So dj Turner from Michigan
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  Speaker 1: the Corner ran the fastest with a four two six,
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  Speaker 1: which is moving. That's pretty good. That's pretty darn good.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't a big year for the forties. There
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  Speaker 1: was a lot going on with the clock on TV
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  Speaker 1: as well, being too fast or too slow, and so
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  Speaker 1: then the unofficial times were coming in and people were
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  Speaker 1: you know, poor Jordan Addison runs a four to five
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  Speaker 1: five on the unofficial time, and then it comes in
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  Speaker 1: officially a four four nine, which is a little bit
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  Speaker 1: better obviously, So it wasn't a fast track this year
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  Speaker 1: as much as last year. Everybody ran well taekwon, I
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  Speaker 1: mean Taikhon would have blown it up this year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Taiquon would have been the story of the combine if
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  Speaker 1: he was was in it this year with the four
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  Speaker 1: two eight. So it wasn't exactly the especially for the receivers.
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  Speaker 1: It No one really blew anybody away in the forty.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Zay Flowers a really fast explosive receiver from
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  Speaker 1: BC ran a four four two. Jalen Hyatt ran a
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  Speaker 1: four four flat. Those are sort of the two big
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  Speaker 1: vertical guys. So was there anyone because of their workout
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  Speaker 1: that act that ended up going up or down on
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  Speaker 1: your boards. Well, I don't want to reveal anything just
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  Speaker 1: because I can say just generally No, I could just
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  Speaker 1: say generally, I think everybody was like blown away by
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  Speaker 1: Darnell Washington and just how he looked and you know
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  Speaker 1: how he tested giant tight end from from Georgia, you know,
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  Speaker 1: how to crazy catch in one of the drills. But I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think we're lucky we didn't see Dawan
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  Speaker 1: Jones there because I feel like these you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just the giant guys that you're like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: he's huge. Um, But that was one that popped to mind.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what about this Will Levis. Oh god,
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  Speaker 1: that's a Will levis Is this year is Zach Wilson. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna look great. In short, it's gonna throw the
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  Speaker 1: ball all over the place at his pro day. He's
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  Speaker 1: got a Jimmy garoppolo release. It's a very quick release.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a really he's got a howitzer. He's got
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  Speaker 1: a huge arm, and he's if a kid. Uh, he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna look great at these things combine Pro Day, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and he's thrown against air. Teams are gonna be impressed.
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  Speaker 1: But when you turn on the film with him, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have a high volume of throws. He only threw the
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  Speaker 1: ball like two hundred and fifty times all last year,
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  Speaker 1: which in college is nothing. And he his accuracy is
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  Speaker 1: all over the place. Okay, so he's not exactly my
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  Speaker 1: cup of team. Well, Anthony Richardson too, is the other
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  Speaker 1: one we should should talk. Yeah, he just I mean measurements, running,
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  Speaker 1: throwing back flips. Yeah you can jump, Yeah he can,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, And it's I mean and and Paul's what
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  Speaker 1: Paul's getting out is totally right. Like he's probably gonna
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  Speaker 1: go in the top ten, right, now and you know
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  Speaker 1: good laws. Yea. To your point about the risers, the
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks are all on the right. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you know, but Anthony Richardson like the bestrodect in the
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  Speaker 1: history of not for that. Yeah, Anthony Richardson should be
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  Speaker 1: a top ten pick, definitely. Yeah. He's just you look
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  Speaker 1: at the way that he plays. It's exactly what the
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  Speaker 1: league is trending towards right now in terms of athleticism,
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  Speaker 1: out of structure, playmaking, all that kind of stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: you you don't see it's not between the ears with
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  Speaker 1: him that are the issues. Like he makes the right decisions,
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  Speaker 1: he's looking in the right places. Uh, he's just got
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  Speaker 1: some mechanical flaws and some footwork flaws, really inconsistencies with
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  Speaker 1: his footwork that when you get him with good quarterback
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  Speaker 1: coaches and things like that, I can easily convince myself
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  Speaker 1: and to him two to three years down the line
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  Speaker 1: having a Josh Allen type trajectory in his NFL career
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  Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, that's his chase.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta chase that, Yeah you do. Yeah, I would
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  Speaker 1: say it's really good news for the Patriots. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: I think, sure you never know. I mean, these things change,
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  Speaker 1: but I think all four are going to go in
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  Speaker 1: the top fourteen. So I think that's going to allow
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  Speaker 1: a better player or two to drop to you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that you maybe weren't expecting. Yeah, that's what you're hoping.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Patriots fan. Yeah. Take the quarterbacks, yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think. I mean, I think the two big position
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  Speaker 1: takeaways just for for both of us were cornerback and
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  Speaker 1: tight end. That those are, you know, just the deepest groups.
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  Speaker 1: And really the conversation is, and it's a Patriots E
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  Speaker 1: one is when you have one of these deep groups,
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  Speaker 1: do you are you satisfied to just get one of
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  Speaker 1: them or do you want to say, no, I want
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  Speaker 1: to go get the best of this group. Who's your
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  Speaker 1: top tight end? Well, I don't know it. Yeah, it depends.
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  Speaker 1: I like Michael Mayer is the top tight end in
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  Speaker 1: the draft from Notre Dame, but he's more of that
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  Speaker 1: guy that can just do everything well but isn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: elite or fantastic at one particular thing. So it depends
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  Speaker 1: on what you're looking for. You know, if you want
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  Speaker 1: a guy that's just going to be well rounded, can
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  Speaker 1: put his hand in the Dirk and play outside. I
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  Speaker 1: can do pretty much everything you would ask of a
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  Speaker 1: tight end and Mayor is your guy. But if you
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  Speaker 1: really want receiving upside, then somebody like Dalton Kincaid or
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  Speaker 1: Sam Laporta from Iowa might be more of your cup
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  Speaker 1: of tea. If you want just the freak of nature,
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  Speaker 1: then Darnell Washington is your guy. You know. So this
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  Speaker 1: is a really deep He's six six six seven, two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five pounds and tested through the roof.
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  Speaker 1: But Kenny Catch, oh yeah, well that's what that was
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  Speaker 1: part of the question with. I mean he's huge, and
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  Speaker 1: I mean him on the blocking sled it was like
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  Speaker 1: comedy where I was talking to Gogelos. I mean it was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because it's got that kind of positioning where
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  Speaker 1: if you if you go too high, it stops dead
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  Speaker 1: in its tracks. And he was just like and just
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  Speaker 1: pushed it, no problem. Then you see the other guys
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  Speaker 1: kind of I'd like to see, you know, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to trying to tell the story thing. Um so,
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  Speaker 1: but also Luke Musgrave's another one from Oregon State that
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  Speaker 1: it was just you know, a senior bowl looked really good.
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  Speaker 1: You don't like him. I really liked him at the
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  Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. I just I mean, he's been
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  Speaker 1: injured a lot, but I think he's one of those
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  Speaker 1: guys that you know, you don't know, but that's I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's some options, there's some options. That's tight end, not
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  Speaker 1: even bigger than me. But I do wonder, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you don't really have that wide receiver there. Do
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  Speaker 1: you consider it? Do you consider maybe just taking a guy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if kincaid at fourteen, but do you
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  Speaker 1: do you just say, hey, we need weapons, we need
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  Speaker 1: guys who can who can move the sticks. This is
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  Speaker 1: a guy in the middle of the field. They can
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  Speaker 1: probably play. Laport is the guy that we talked about
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  Speaker 1: last week on the show because we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Iowa guys, and yeah, that's the biggest It's a good,
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  Speaker 1: good tradition of tight ends from the school, good connection
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  Speaker 1: with Bill, with with Kirk Ferrens. So some a guy
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  Speaker 1: I think to keep in the back of your mind. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at some point I would not be I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how these guys feel. I would not be
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  Speaker 1: in favor of taking one at fourteen. No, that's how
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  Speaker 1: that's too high. But I just think there are bigger
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  Speaker 1: needs and I don't if you knew the guy was
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  Speaker 1: going to be as good as Gront Kelsey or George Kittle,
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  Speaker 1: would you take a right Okay, but but I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if any of the best players draft. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I'll take him at fourteen. You're not looking at tight
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  Speaker 1: ends the way you look at running backs. No, tight ends.
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  Speaker 1: Tight ends a valuable position, but you just don't think
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  Speaker 1: there's someone that good. Yeah, well yeah, literally, that would
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  Speaker 1: be the best player in the draft if you if
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  Speaker 1: you just like plocked you know, Travis Kelsey into the draft. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the best player in the draft. Yes, I'm interested
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  Speaker 1: in taking that at fourteen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to give too much away about my mock draft,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm play so Hm and I we're gonna do
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna have a little fun on Thursday. We're not
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna do another one of those mock draft ideas.
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  Speaker 1: But we're not going to tell each other what we're
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  Speaker 1: picking til we get on. The guys gonna hit double digits.
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  Speaker 1: I think we'll probably hit four. I think four like
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have eleven point zero, you know, if you
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  Speaker 1: put all the players together. I actually nailed all of it.
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  Speaker 1: I know my twelve mock drafts. I envy. I know
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  Speaker 1: what you're doing. The basis, No, I'm only going to
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  Speaker 1: count the back I know where. It's only the big board,
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  Speaker 1: but it's uh, you definitely get more of a sense
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  Speaker 1: of the class. And I mean, I just think I'm
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  Speaker 1: a little bit disappointed that you know, there isn't just
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  Speaker 1: a generational kind of wide receiver up there. I think
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  Speaker 1: just I mean, that's that's me wishing for something really
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  Speaker 1: sexy and you know, something that's going to get everybody
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  Speaker 1: really excited like they were when they took Mac. I
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  Speaker 1: just I don't know if that player exists. Who's the one?
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  Speaker 1: H is the kid from Ohio State. Yeah, he seems
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  Speaker 1: to be on everybody's radar right now. What happened. He's sexy.
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  Speaker 1: He's sexy. So Jason. First of all, he ran like
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  Speaker 1: a Julian Edelman esque three cone who was like six
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  Speaker 1: point six seconds or something. So the quickness is just
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  Speaker 1: out of the out of the roof. But I was texting.
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  Speaker 1: We had Jordan Reid on the on the podcast, and
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  Speaker 1: I was dming with him. He said that the scouts
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  Speaker 1: around him and him included said that he had the
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  Speaker 1: best on field workout since Justin Jefferson and this guy, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you raised my eyes, right, So this is Jason is
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  Speaker 1: not a vertical threat. That's the biggest knock on him.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't run the forty at the Combine. After what
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  Speaker 1: he did at the Combine with the agilities and with
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  Speaker 1: the on field, I don't even know if he's going
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  Speaker 1: to run the forty because it's not really in his
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  Speaker 1: best interest to put up a four to five five
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  Speaker 1: at this point when we all know that that's he's
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  Speaker 1: not a burner, Like that's just not his game. But
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  Speaker 1: if you want separation quickness, you want route running, you
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  Speaker 1: want a chain mover that's going to catch one hundred
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  Speaker 1: passes out of the slot, this is the guy. And
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  Speaker 1: I think he put himself in that conversation of some
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  Speaker 1: of the other guys at receiver that have gone and
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  Speaker 1: that ten to twenty five range over the last few
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  Speaker 1: few years, like Justin Jefferson, Ceedee Lamb, you know, Jerry
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  Speaker 1: Judy like that, that type of receiver. Not the top
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  Speaker 1: five guy that's you know, Jamar Chase, but somebody that's
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  Speaker 1: in that next tier and it is a legit NFL player.
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  Speaker 1: So would you take him over the kid from USC oh? Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's good play. He's a really good player. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: play a ton last year because of injuries. But you
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  Speaker 1: go back two years ago when they still had Now
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  Speaker 1: this is a problem for me too, because this is
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  Speaker 1: where you know, when they had Garrett Wilson and Christo
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  Speaker 1: lave in him he was as productive, if not more
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  Speaker 1: productive than all of them. More. But was that because
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  Speaker 1: of right they're they're not thrown at those guys? You
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  Speaker 1: know my old nick as serial question, Freddie, You know
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  Speaker 1: how I like to go with those who's the guy,
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  Speaker 1: who's the guy who drives the engine? But but you know,
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  Speaker 1: so that that's a question because he wasn't as productive
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  Speaker 1: even before he got hurt last year as he was too.
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  Speaker 1: But even then in that situation, he's still gonna make
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  Speaker 1: the plays when they throw the ball. He's good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's a really good So when you talk to uh,
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  Speaker 1: the people that are closer to the Ohio State program
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  Speaker 1: than any of us, they all say that Jay said,
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  Speaker 1: So what did Albert have to say? No, not not
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  Speaker 1: just Albert, but so I had a conversation with ten
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  Speaker 1: Win from the Athletic who does all of their film
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  Speaker 1: breakdown stuff. He's really good and he he mentioned that
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  Speaker 1: he talked to Brian Hartline, their wide receiver coach. Off
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  Speaker 1: the record said at Lave Wilson, Marvin JSN, who you
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  Speaker 1: take it? And he said, JSN, Well give you a
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  Speaker 1: little insight. I'm running the coaches clinic here on Friday
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  Speaker 1: and Saturday, and Jim Knowles from Ohio State will be there,
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  Speaker 1: so if you want to come and just ask them
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  Speaker 1: some questions. They want to up against him in practice
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  Speaker 1: every day, right, I guess is that going on during
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  Speaker 1: the day on Friday starts at four four? Okay, yeah,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: I might. I know my my, my guy Drew cane
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: in from holy Cross, is he's excited too. Yeah, one
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: of you guys get a job in the NFL. Who
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: know someone off that holy Cross staff? Really? I got
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: an assistant offensive line coach. Really, I thought I saw something,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: you know me, just enough information to get myself in trouble. No,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: that's good. I'm gonna bow out. I have I mean,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: and I tell you, Drew, I mean they blocked like
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: six seven punts this, I mean it was insane with
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: what he did on special teams. So, um, I don't know.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I can get the schedule from me. I
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: might might might like to audit want audit that for him?
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: But okay, sorry, sorry I digressed, all right. I got
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit of small Patriots breaking news. Okay, Jonathan
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Jones hitting the open market. Will not be franchised to
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: rape all right? That probably not that I thought. I
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: wouldn't put it quite in the Hunter Henry not going
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: to get released category. But did anybody think there was
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: a chance that Jonathan Jones was going to get franchised
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: or am I the only one that didn't know? Maybe
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: earlier this year, before the second half of the season,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: they we're going to give him like eighteen million dollars. Yeah,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: that was a good one yesterday about Hunter Henry Hunter
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Henry I won't be released? Oh good? And everybody Matthew
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Judah not expected to be released, right right? Um? What
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: did you guys think of the We can get back
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: into the comment, But I just I really was curious
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: about the thoughts of this Raiders right trade. I think
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: there's Dan Graziano's report that the Raiders might want to
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: trade for Mac Jones with the Patriots are interested. I
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: was trying to like put my Paul hat on of
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: like how can I think of where this is going
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: to come from and who's trying to like put this
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: out there and why? And I don't have any answer.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I just I can't. My conspiracy tinfoil hat won't won't
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: won't work on this one. I'm not sure why, because
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: it's just it's another thing. It just makes no sense,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: like they might like to trade for him, but the
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Patriots won't do it, and like that's nothing. Then what
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: are you saying like nothing? Well, yeah, is it just speculation?
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Is it? Did you actually here for It's But I agree,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I agree with Mike. Someone definitely asked a favor of
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Dan Grazian think. So, yeah, this type of stuff coming
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: out of Combine drives me crazy. Like just because you
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: and your buddies at Prime forty seven at two o'clock
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: in the morning, we're talking about, oh, would make kind
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: of sense for the Raiders to try to trade for
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: mac Jones, that doesn't mean that it's being discussed, right
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Wait did you hear something that Prime forty seven? Oh no, no, no,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think here you hear all that kind of stuff.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't see that this report, and I didn't wasn't
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: aware of it until Mike told me about it yesterday. Um,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: but my guess is somebody asked Graziano if he would
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: throw throw that out there that the Raiders would be
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: interested in trading for him. Now, maybe it was someone
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: on the Raider's side. Maybe it was someone on the
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Patriot's side. Maybe someone wanted on the Patriots side wanted
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to make it known we're not interested in trading him. Ah,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I like that. Or maybe it was Josh McDaniel saying, yeah,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I'd be a you never know, could be side. That's
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: why I agree with Mike. I don't know what, I
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: don't know what tin foil hat. Yeah, but I like
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: that one. But someone saying it, yeah, Oh, I mean
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I assume that these guys don't just make it up. Yeah,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: that's a big assumption. Sometimes. I know there are guys
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: that work locally that one for specifically that I know
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: does do that. Yeah. I always thought that, you know,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: if Lamar Jackson doesn't go back to the Ravens, that
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: he would might be in play for Denver, because you know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the rumor was McDaniels liked him when he was available
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: in the draft. When I Invraiders, you said, Denver, I
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: mean the Raiders. I'm sorry, Um, you know that he
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: would be in play for the Raiders. Um. But now
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing that. You know they're negotiating in Baltimore, you know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and they're hoping to get a deal done. Well, he's
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: gonna get franchise today if he's Yeah, if they don't
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: sign and they're not going to let him hit the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: open market, I can't imagine they'd let him hit the
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: open market. Yeah, but but I say, gives the franchise tag,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: So you can't even that too, negotiate or trade him
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: or anything. He's to look at him, can't even touch him. Yeah,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: see what you did. But do you think Lamar Jackson,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: how do you think he responds to that? Does he
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: hold out anyway? You know? He could? He could? I
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: think I think the exclusive rights tag is like forty
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: five fifty million guaranteed cash like here, it is. It's
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a that's a nice It is one of those things
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: when you get like the for the quarterbacks specifically, And
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I know why they don't want it. But Kirk Cousins
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: showed you it can work. Oh yeah, he made a
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: living off of it. And if he don't get hurt,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you know, right, you don't. I mean, I'm not telling
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you that all quarterbacks are never gonna get hurt, obviously,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you know, look at to a situation. He looks like he's,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: you know, one one bad hit away from being done.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: So it can happen. But that kind of money that
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Evan's talking about, forty five fifty million, then you play
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: it out and then let's just say it goes up
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: if they have to do it again, right, gets you're
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: not making you know, let's just say you get franchise
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: twice and he's making over one hundred million dollars the
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: first two years, Like, well, how much more was you
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: gonna make if they've signed up to a five year
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: deal tomorrow? Right, right? Right? And how much more in
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the first two years is he gonna get? And how
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: does he feel next year after you franchised him? Because
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: some guys hate it and can be pissed they don't
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: like it. Why they don't like it, But for a quarterback,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I would be a little bit more open minded about it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: As a player. The other positions I would need money,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: all the other positions, I would hate it, so probably
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like Kickers. So so in your mind, do you think
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Jackson's really kind of out of the conversation about movement.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I think so, I think so until you start to
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: hear it going south. I mean, he's in it. All
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: of those teams would be interested in here. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that's why you. I mean, I just wonder if there
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: are any teams maybe purposely dragging their feet just to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: see a little bit. And I guess, I guess rich
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Eisen kind of, you know, broached the idea of Brady
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: not being done and going to Miami. I don't know
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: where that's one. I think that to Evans, I don't
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: know where he's I don't know where he's getting there.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: But he brought it up on his show yesterday. I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: believe is it three o'clock, that's what I could see
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Evans scenario. I'm just saying, a bunch of guys hanging out,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I saw Brady. He looks
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: like he's in shade, he secause you just kind of
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: a brand. Like imagine, I'm running TV twelve and he's
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: got like this big gun. You know what I can
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: see that scenario unfolding, and Rich Eyes was a guy
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: who's dan. He's talking, man, but nobody's saying specifically, you
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: know what I'm hearing Brady's coming back. I'm not. I
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: don't dismiss anything. Yeah, but that one, to me was
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: so vague. One of the things, one of my number
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: one takeaways from the combine was I don't think Brady's
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: necessarily done. Okay, is there anything to that? Like any reason?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Why did anyone see the report that he was considering
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: a career in stand up comedy like a week and
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: a half now, so that that was he was doing
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a promo. He's doing all right, and that's going to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: be brutal. Yeah, are they roasting him? I think it's
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: like a roast series type thing. I don't know if
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: he's definitely involved. I don't know if. I mean, he's
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: a great roast, but roaster, yeah, I don't know about that.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he'd be a great roast. I
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: get to just get pissed, get up, just like you are,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: pull the tablecloth off off the day the dais and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: run out like Brian Moore. You imagine if you're roasted
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Brian Moore I'm not mad, but I'm gonna get you right. Oh,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it'll never end, It'll never end. But but I don't
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: think anybody truly ruled up. I mean I didn't completely
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: ever rule him out. And until he goes to season
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: without I think he should retired. And I thought it
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: was different this time than last time. But I don't
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I don't rule it up. No, he's too competitive. I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: just I think he's the classic example of a guy
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: who's going to get out of the league and be like,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I have no outlet for this crazy hyper competitive drive
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: that I have and you know, beating my kids in
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: like game Xbox or it's not gonna do it, Like
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I need something else. And don't you think Miami is
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: in the back of his mind like it has been
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: for a couple of years. And now if they get
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: to the point where to a situation is untenable, then
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: they say say, hey, listen, you're a free agent. You're
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: not taking anyone's job. Even this guy looks like he
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. Offensively, McDaniel, look what you have
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: to throw to Yeah, right, and I can stick it
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to Giselle. And by the way, we're gonna give you
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: two percent of the team. Well they could, they can't
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: do that and have him play. Now, well, they'd have
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to factor it into the cap as a compensation. But
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: but then you then you can make it a ten
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: year term and we have to and I see that's
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, but but like that sucks as a Patriots fan,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady's gonna have an ownership interest in the Dogs. Listen,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: even if it's even without the ownership. I was thrilled
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that he was gonna keep playing with Tampa Bay. I
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: would be pissed if he went and played for Miami.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: He's like just because it's a division team. Yeah, yeah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. He's like in the ownership box and
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: like a teal in white suit every game. You not
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: all of frist is irrational, that's rational. I hate Miami too. Yeah, yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I love the fit. I don't oh no, not not
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: his type of offense. Like they'd have to completely change
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of their their fundamental concepts. Like he's not
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: gonna run bootlegs. No, but can those guys get open fast?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I think so. Definitely. It's a completely different system. I
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: mean you're acting like it's, you know, built it out
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: of concrete. I mean I'm actually I just don't. I
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: don't do they have I don't know if McDaniel can
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: do it. Do they give me, give me Brady take
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the system? Do they have guys that can get open fast? Yes?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: And can Brady get them the ball? Yes? I think
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I think you wouldjust the system. I don't think McDaniel's
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: up for it. No, I think he'd be just fine. Like,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: you don't have to have him run bootlegs and everything
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: like that would be stupid to have him trying to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: throw the ball on the move. You definitely have to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: scrap those pages to the playbook. But I think I
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: could come up with something with you know, Hill and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Wattle and who's the tight end? Gasecki he's oh he's
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: a free agent, but is two now we have to
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: make it? Are they trying to make a decision on
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: five fifth year for two US now? Yeah? Until May? Yeah? Interesting? Yeah, Yeah,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that's one that I could definitely see going the other way. Yeah,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: what are we looking at? No socks? It's funny. We're
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: getting off the plane and Evan we had a wonderful
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: week in India, wonderful week and like date or something
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that's no socks, right, doesn't wear socks. Well, no, no,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: The thing with Matt is when he wears shoes, he
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't wear socks. When he wears sneakers, he does the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: thumbs up from behind the producer, right, Craft Sports and Entertainment.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: That's good stuff, all right. Yeah, so I'm so the
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: foot So the quarterback movement is still out there. I
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: just love that part of it. Yeah, this is like
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: five years in a row. It just changes an entire
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: dynamic of a team instantly and just makes you rethink, well,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: it's used to have, like the other sports have this
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: like enormous hot stove, and now the NFL is dominating
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: in that that way, it was the one thing the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: NFL didn't have, and now even that is dominated by
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Like, what do you think is going through
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the mind of Jordan Love right now? Oh God, I'll
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: give you my take. This is one that I have
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: absolutely no fact to make it. Back it up. I
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: think he knows he's the starting quarterback. Yeah, because that's
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: what I think. Like going to McCarthy or whoever's the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: head of that team, I don't know that the floor. No, no,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: not the head coach. I mean the the guy that's
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: in charge of the good and Coush tout and cooush. Yeah,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: but saying, listen, you know I'm through waiting, you know, like,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: make me the starting quarterback, get rid of him, and
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: let's go. I'm Jordan's freaking Love here. I'm dying. I
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: mean in the game, I like out, but like me,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: you trade me, you know, trade me right now. I
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: think they have already made the decision in their minds.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: They're just waiting for Aaron Rodgers to get on board
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and figure out where he wants to go. That's what
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I think. But what if he want to stay? He's
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: playing Footsie's with the Jets? Yeah, what if? What if
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers says, now, you know what, I want to stay.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Packers to sit over there and
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: watch Jordan Love play. Yeah, that's what I if. I
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: agree with Evan. I don't think the Packers wanted to stay.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And that's how you get rid of them. Yeah, yeah,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you can stay, we'll pay you, but you're not gonna play.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: What a situation? What are bay again? Yeah? I think
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I really think, like maybe Jordan Love is going to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: be good. But if he isn't, I think that the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Packers could really it could be a sinking ship. It
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: could be the same thing as the Patriots the quarterback.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't even think they'll be like
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: middle middle link like the Patres have been. I think
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: they'd be like a four win team. I think they'd
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: be like the Cam Newton Patriots terrible. Even even the
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Cam Newton Patriots weren't a four win team, all right,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: they won seven? Okay, Yeah, so that really I like
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: with Shawn Garry, it isn't the draft order. Yeah, it's
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a great quarterback class next start or two. I mean,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I think that um, Green Bay is I'm with Evan.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I think Green Bay has decided they want to move
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: on now. If it turns out that Rogers can still
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: play right and at Love can't, it's gonna be just
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: like the Patriots situation, and they're gonna get a lot
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: of criticism for intentionally pulling the plug before they had to.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: But I think I think, just like the Patriots, they're
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you know, if Rogers leaves and Love isn't the guy,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: they're gonna find out, like a lot of teams do,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: how much that quarterback actually meant to win. And the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: only thing I would say, in Green Bay's defense over
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: in New England's at least they had a plan. They
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: had they had a guy on like on the team
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: that they drafted in the first round. They developed for
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: a couple of years, and they're ready to put you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: hand the range. So now there's no guarantees that he
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: can play, right, But the Patriots had nothing right, no,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I know, and then eight years later they pulled the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: plug on Brady. Brady screwed it up by keep staying good.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but we winning, yeah, you know, didn't care
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: for it, you know, yeah, I wanted to start over.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So all right, all that's on the table. Eight five
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: five Pats five hundred is the A sticket hot line,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: web radio at Patriots dot com is the email address. Yeah. So,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: you know, locally, like the Bruins and the Celtics have
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: been dominating the headlines, it's a little bit the Red Sox,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you know, because they're starting to play exhibition ball. But uh,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I got a feeling like Patriots are you know, in football,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: are going to start becoming front and center really quickly. Again.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I'm really feeling the week that they pushed the Super
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Bowl back right now because it just feels like we
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: were just at the combine and now it's like free
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: agency is right on the doorstep, and next week's going
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: to be crazy with all the movements. I mean starting
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I mean probably over the weekend, right, Like we'll probably
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: start to hear like, yeah, rumblings over the weekend and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: then you'll really start to get reports on Monday. So
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just really kind of condensed and
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: packed in between, you know, especially for US Shrine Bowl,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, Combine, free agency, and you know then you're
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: gonna hit this dead period for for a month and
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: a half until the draft. So it's just it's just interesting.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: New schedule just feels a little bit more dense to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: me than than before. I mean a difference. I think
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: there's people in the league that feel that way, really,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and they would prefer to push free agency back a
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks and push the draft back maybe into
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: early May and give some more time because I think
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: a big reason why the Patriots coaching staff wasn't really
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: front and center in Indianapolis is because of how condensed
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: everything is. So it's do you go to the combine
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and waste your time, not waste your time, but spend
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: your time on meetings and why guys run a forty
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: yard dash? Or do you stay here and watch film
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: of free agents? Right? Like, that's it's a difficult decision
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: to make, I think for a lot of teams and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: focus on your in person one on one workouts and
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: interviews and all. And I wonder if because there's a
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: lot of different things that have been thrown out there,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: and I think there's probably some truth to all of them.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And they've talked about the changes to the Combine schedule itself,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: like having all the you know this now it's completely
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: geared to NFL network at night, and that doesn't really
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: that's not really conducive for the teams, so it sort
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: of cuts into their time their productivity, And like Evan said,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: why not just stay back and do the work here
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: as opposed to sitting in your hotel and doing the work.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: You can watch the workouts at night, you know, on TV.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And then I just think that's it's sort of a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: growing d emphasis of the entire process. Which was funny
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: because I thought the hype of the players this year
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: was through the roof more so maybe it's because I
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't there and maybe I was more like seeing more
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: of it as opposed to just sort of being there
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: and then someone, you know, Mike will say like, hey,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: do you see what they said about Scarronsky And they're like, no,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. Now you're sort of seeing
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: everything they said about Scarronsky as it happens. So maybe
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's more hype and it isn't. But
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I mean that that Anthony Richardson stuff about him jumping,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Like I'm like, what are we doing here? Like what
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: does that have to do with being a quarterback? Like, yeah,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: it happens every year. But the over emphasis on the testing,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I know, doesn't really line up with a d emphasis
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: on the amount of coaches there. And I also think
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the Patriots presence at the Shrine Bowl into a lesser
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: extent the Senior Bowl. At some point, something's got to
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: go that we have to prepare. We like, Toaven's point,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: we got to watch some of these free agents and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: figure out what direction and figure out our pro day schedule.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Do you think that reaction though the testing is kind
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: of more a fan blogger kind of thing than teams,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: like you know, like I think teams That's a great
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: question because I don't know all the names of the people.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: You know, you guys do because you're more in that world,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Like is that what it is the guys that are
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: tweeting about this stuff more though this is a fan
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: blogger types. This is a media driven event at this point.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Is it a television show? Yes, it has nothing to
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: do with the teams. It's just And that's why I
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: love it is because it gives us something to cover
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the offseason that we wouldn't normally
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: have anything to make fun of it. Like listen, I
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: was there Rover like twenty I was twenty years in
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a row doing that thing, and I listen, it's it
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: was monotonous. There's a plaque on the webber grill, no doubt.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: There's definitely a middle like Bradley were sitting spent about
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: eight hours watching the combine at the bar another like
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to come off like literally I'm above that. No,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And like no, I did it and I got something
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: out of it every year. I went every year. But
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: it's a content driven driving machine. And I would also
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: say that teams now have access to all this like
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Zebra technology or next gen where they can actually track
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: how fast guys are moving in game, and so they
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: don't need the forty because they can sit there and say,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the game, you know they're getting JSN ran a top
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: speed of twenty miles an hour on this catch and run.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: You know that's what he can open up to in
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: a game. So you know, I'm right while I was
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: getting chased by the defense, So why do we need
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the forty yard dash? But for somebody like me that
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't have access to that type of stuff, the combine
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: can confirm a lot of priors, like this guy's not
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: very fast. This guy is very fast, and I see
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: him put up a good forty time, and then I
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: can sit there and say, okay, well that they translated
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: he's got legit speed, and I get used to back
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: in the day before all this technology came up, I
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: was laughing, who was the guard? I don't know if
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: it was even defensive offense. He ran like a four
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: seven like he was trucking? Was it osiris torres? I forget?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: But they're like, oh my god, look at this guy,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, like, okay, when's he going to run
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: a forty yard Yeah? Well what about the poor offensive
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: lineman that torres. So offensive line's all about the ten
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: yards split. Yeah, right, so that first ten yards is
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: like it measures your explosiveness out of your stance and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: like off the line of scrimmage, so that that ten
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: yards split is more important. So I've always thought, why
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: attack on the extra like make them let them run
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: a flying twenty, right, because like, why why run a
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: full forty? They're not going to run a full forty,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And all it does is get guys hurt. Like every
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: year somebody gets hurt running a three hundred ten pound
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: lineman running forty yards as fast as he can pulls
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a hamstring or something like that. So the lineman can
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: run twenty yards, let's see what they are in the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: first ten yards. I really think that they should tailor
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the drills to the position. Yeah, I mean the like
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: on field stuff other than the running and jumping stuff.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I mean they do. And I think that's you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: some of the fun of just seeing how athletic these
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: guys are, at least for like you know, Roderick Jones
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and Paris Johnson, the two top tackles, Like you just
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: see how athletic I really need to know how many
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: like kicksteps and you know, doing their thing, But how
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: many bench presses a quarterback do? Man? You know, no,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: but that you know, But I think those things too
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: for some of the other positions show what guys a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: lot of them don't do that hit the way Brady Quinn.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: There are some certain thresholds though that still hold up.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Like and it's more specific, I would say, than it is.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: You know, ten yards split for offensive linemen or agility
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: drills for receivers and corners like that type of stuff.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: You know, three cone short shuttle like those things still produced,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you know, explosive in the jumps, Like if you have
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a great vertical then you're probably a pretty explosive guy
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in your lower half. Like that stuff does I think translate.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: But I think it more educates us, like the media
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: and people like me that cover the draft than it does.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I think the teams already know all this stuff going
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: into the combine. They don't need to combine. It's into it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: But but that sends that's said. I think you know,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Bryce Young was listed at six foot in Alabama and
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: he came in at five ten, right, you know, the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: measurements are big. I stood next to him, and I'm tall.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I think I'm officially five eleven and a half and
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I was like, i'mgger than yeah, like I did five
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: ten and three quarters or something like that, an eighth.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: He's small, he's like fun, He's like Kyler Yeah, he's
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: he's really small. And he doesn't run like Kyla Murray
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: no either. I feel like he's an Aaron Rodgers type
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: athlete though, like that kind of just natural oh athletic skill.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: He's great off platform. I think he does have a
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: little bit of Mahomes to his ability to extend plays
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: and make plays outside the pocket. I don't think he's
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: got the arm that Mahomes has, but he has that
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: ability to just like that magician, you know, slip out
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: of a sack and get on the outside. I mean
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: it's a great example though. We were watching it, I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: think at the airport, and they did you know. I
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: love when they do the forties and they match up
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: like guys from all time, you know, like that like
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the technology. I just think that's so cool. You can
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: see guys from the past run And they showed Anthony Richardson,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: but then they showed like Patrick Holmes would even like
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: a four eight yeah, and you're like, oh, man, like
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, Like it doesn't matter. The guy can play,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: he can run. And where did you ever see Patrick
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Mahomes running for a first down and get chased down
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: from behind? Nope, nope, he's not. He's not overly fast, right,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: but he's got the same forty speed as Mac Jones.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: He has football speed. Yeah, yeah, he does all right.
• 38:09
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• 38:14
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• 38:17
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• 38:20
  Speaker 1: up everyone. Hey Batty, I wanted to throw a couple
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of questions at you. With Orlando Brown not being franchised,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I've been I've been on this guy's wagon for I
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: think like a couple of seasons. Now. I'd love to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: see the Patriots draft him, I mean find him a
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: free agency. I wanted to get your opinion on whether
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you guys would want to draft a younger tackle or
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: to possibly sign this blocked back by yup? Do both
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: prove and he can play? Do both? And yeah, I
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't mind getting the right tackle two later on.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: But yeah, any any Himians two one, possibly Rashad Bateman
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: who seems to be disgruntled. Oh um, I mean, I'll
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: just go at the top. I'm not really in love
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: with any of the free agent stuff, but I would
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: be okay investing in a tackle. I don't love Orlando Brown,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: but in free agency, I don't just throw that out there.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Tell me why. I don't know, not not only my
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: kind of guy. I didn't like coming out big. I
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: just prefer big. Um. I just I got a hard
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: time with the tackles in this class. I don't think.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think that the top two guys are gonna
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: get there. I'm off Skeronsky now I think Evan's still
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: on him. Um. You know, I think you're gonna have
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: to look at your at your second pick potentially for that,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate. I'd love to have those top two guys.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: So I I just I think I'm pulling back on
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the whole tackle thing. I definitely still want to draft one.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I think there's some good depth in there, but i'd
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: be okay going free agency. I know, I know the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: knock on Scarronsky is his arm length, But can he
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: make up for that with foot? You know, quick feet,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, great, great feet. Yeah, great, So
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: this would be probably a good little thing that me
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and Evan could probably argue about. My thing was to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: be great because I'm gonna throw Kerosene on the fire. No,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I think killed. He'll agree me, though. My thing with
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Scaranty is, you took a guard in the first round
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: last year. You can't miss again. All right now. I
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: know he'll probably be okay, but you cannot miss on
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: this pick and end up with guard Peter Scronsky. Yeah,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a death sentence for this office.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: You can't do it. If you want him to play
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: tackle and he can't play tackle. I agree, right, But
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I also agree when Rashawn Slater same school a couple
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: of years ago, a lot of people said the same thing,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and he's been a really good tack That's fine. You
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: can take you took your you took your swing on
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: offensive line last year. But they're gonna take a swing
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: on Cole Strange as a tackle. No, they took a
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: swing on an offensive line. So if they don't think
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that your guy can play tackle, then I would wholeheartedly
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: be on team Deuce. I don't want to take a
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: guard at fourteen. But for me, it's too much of
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: a risk. I think you I just I don't. I
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: don't want to do it. I'd rather I think there
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: are other needs. I think there are other players, and
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I like the kid, but I just think you need talent.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: This is where you get talent. This is the highest
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Peaky had and you're gonna take one on a guy
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: who can probably play tackle for you, all right? Was
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: that the biggest problem last year? Because we couldn't protect
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: mac Jones enough? That was the problem, Like everybody says,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I mean they're right tackle situation was a problem. It was,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: But you don't think mc dermott off the Jets practice
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: squad was the best right tackle that they had. And
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I know they resigned him and he'll be
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: great depth. But I hope we're not settled on him
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: at But I'm not interested in paying twenty plus million
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: for Orlando Brown annually and using a first round pick
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: on a tackle like that's a lot of no cats. No,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: that's silly, that's silly. So you know there's value in
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: having the it's a premium position. Right, So there's value
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: in having it on a rookie contract just in itself. Now,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: you have to have a good player, so you can't
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: just look at it just that way. But I think
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: the tackles in this draft, I do agree with Mike
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: on this. I we might disagree a little bit on Scronsky,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: but I agree that they're kind of in the middle
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: right now of the tackle class where they're probably gonna
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: miss out on Broder Jones and Paris Johnson, but they're
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: probably a little bit you early for the next wave
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: of tackles as well. So this might be a vintage
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Belichick trade down draft, right. It might be, And that's
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: fine if that's the way it unfolds, because and this
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: is part of like what makes it hard. Everybody just says, like,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: you know, let's take Scronsky in the first round, let's
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: take Jones in the first round. It that's great when
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: they're available. The part of the draft that's really hard
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: is identifying what everybody else is going to do. Right, Okay,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams, I think, without knowing anything,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams that need tackles in
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: front of them. Yep, Yeah, that's a problem. Yep, go ahead.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Why it's head. If you get the quarterbacks off the board,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: maybe someone that needs to tackle takes go ahead, Daddy Richardson. Yeah,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, let's not forget that out of Orlando
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Brown senior in Cleveland too, so he's got you know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: probably got a little bit better insight on him, on
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: him than maybe most other teams. Yeah, yeah, I'm terrified
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: of giving Orlando Brown a big contra. I just like
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: big guy. Why why is he going on his third team? Yeah?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: That Kansas City re ups him because they felt like
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: he fit in well with them. That makes sense to me.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: They had him, but Baltimore and I know that Baltimore
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: had Ronnie Stanley before he got hurt. They kind of
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: when they let this all happen or you know, as
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: that was happening. But to me, three teams in what
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: six years? That to me is I just feel like
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: a guy with twenty plus million, that's it's gonna cost
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: you a lot of money. He got franchised. Yeah, so
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: it's not like you're gonna like get him, you know
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: in the favorite Patriot fan way. Can we get him
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: in on on a team friendly contract? Every single ASPFW
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: we get now has the term team friendly or a
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: one year prove it deal. Those phrases are in every question.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Why is that all we want? Right? I just feel
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: like when you are that size, if your foot speed
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: starts to decline, because you already don't have great foot speed,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: and if your foot speed starts to decline at all,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: then you get your whole game goes. And if you're
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the team that's paying him for four or five years
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: at a high number, I just I like, I really
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: like the right tackles in free agency, though I think
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith a free agent now, No, I think mcglinchy
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: and uh and Caleb McGarry from Atlanta could come in
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: and play right tackle for the Patriots at a really
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: high level. So I like those two guys. McGarry's a
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: guy that I think would make some sense too, I
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: think but glinchy might be a little too expensive too.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: But like I get, you know, and I wouldn't be
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be pissed off if they signed McGlinchey. I
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: think that feels a need. I mean, that would be
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: a good target. You know, a good player, give him
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the money and he comes in. I look at mcglinchy too,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: is feels your need. He was the ninth overall pick
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in his draft. It's a Stefan Gilmour, right, Like you
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: loved him in the draft, but you weren't high enough
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: in the draft to take him, and now you get
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: him in free agency. That's the right I would go.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I know Trump Brown has some
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: awarts and some question marks. Trump Brown, mcglinchy done. You know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: maybe grab a guy well done third round season and
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: then we'll go tap the Jets to practice. I know
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't Trump roun play the whole season last year. Yeah,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: but how many games did he play but didn't play
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: half the season? How many games did he not come
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: out on the field for games? It's starting to snap
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: before it even started. It's a good point, though, but
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: about maybe you plug and play at right tackle and
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: then you use Trent somewhere as a stop gap either
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: on the left or the right side, and then you
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: draft like a Jaalen Duncan or a Tyler Steen or
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: something like that on Day two and that's more of
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: your long term, hopefully long term fit at tackle. Did
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you take a receiver that's sexy Thompson Connecticut. What's up,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Tom's stay, guys, what you're doing good? Hey? Hey, So, um,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I just had a question for you guys. So, I know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: we picked up Time Montgomery last year and he's been injured. Um.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: From what I remember, I thought he was like a
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: pretty outstanding player. I'm just kind of surprised that there's
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: more talk about him. I just wanted to hear your
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: opinion on that, to find pretty outstanding. He's a good player.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, kind of a journeyman receiver, running back, multiple team. Yeah,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I mean we were all hoping that he would fill
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that third down kind of role here and he never
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: got me like double injuries. It was like he got
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: hurt in preseason, you thought he was done and somehow
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: he didn't. And but then he came from Miami and
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: got hurt in Miami and was out. But like I thought,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: he looked pretty good last summer. He looked one of
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: the only guys comfortable running wide zone with his team
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, consistently got to the sideline and went
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to tell you what he could do. He played one
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: one half of one game the first training but like
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: we were definitely hoping for contract and training kids too. Yeah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't see the same guy when the regular game started.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: You know, Montgomery was definitely on our all out radars
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: as you know, a possible contributed to the offense last year. Definitely. Yeah,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll do a lot of stuff. Good fit, Yeah,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: good receiver a little bit. At this point, would you
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: recommend keeping him or just getting rid? Oh? Yeah, he's
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: a contract. He's on a contract. See where he's at.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't. I wouldn't avoid drafting, though,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: can I can I see what happens in the draft? First? Yeah, dud?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Say can I get my guy? Dud? There's only there
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: can be only one get him in the fourth or
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: fifth round. Take the last day at the combine, me
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and Mike are just zombies, right and we're talking about
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: running backs and I look at him and I go
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Deuce and he's like what I was Like? I was
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: talking about Duce Vaughan and he didn't get the joke.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And I interpreted, is I just missed something or screwed something?
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Like Deuce? Like what are you doing? Like don't say that?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Like God, Like what what what I do? What I do? Uh?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Thanks Tom, Let's go to uh William and philam what's up, William?
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, yeah, you're right, You're in Philly, get hurt. Yeah,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I'm just putting it. Okay, um guy, so can you
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: tell me, um, like, who was the Patriots looking at
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: specifically in terms of um for for my receiver and
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: and the corners? And then two do you think, I mean,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: do y'all think, honestly will Bill do something to stop
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: in terms of pre adency and the drift? I mean,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: pick the right players when he signed some some freemium players,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you know, but I know it. Yeah, I hear what
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, So in terms of who they're looking at,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: they're looking at everybody who they really like? We have
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: no idea, No, we have no idea. But but I
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: think Evans should tell his story about talking to Quentin Johnson,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: because I'm sure Eldred's out there somewhere listening and he's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: gonna get all yeah we already. Yeah, so good though.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I wrote something about this on Patriots dot com and
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I I was able to to have some one on
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: one time with Quentin Johnston after his podium at the Combine,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: and I asked him if you met with the Patriots?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Said yes, and he said that he stopped and he goes. Actually,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I think that was my favorite meeting in Indy out
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: of any of the teams I met with, probably twenty teams,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: because he's a you know, really highly touted guy, so
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: he's very popular around the league. Met with like twenty teams.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I thought, I vibe with the Patriots guys the absolute
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: best out of anybody that I spoke with him. No,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: not on hiring on him as a player, higher on
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: him as as a guy though, Like I think that,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: you know, he definitely came across as uh, humble, but
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: alpha e right, which is what the kind of want
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: in that receiver, Like William, I don't know what's going
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: on there, I'm gonna but you can listen. Yeah, yeah,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: you know, you don't want him to be cocky, but
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: you want him to be I'm a dude, like I
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I'm in alpha right, and he was definitely like that.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I like it. I asked him a little bit about
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: his route running, and I still have a lot of
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: concerns about that because the answers that he gave me,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: we're not uninformed. But he just was talking about how
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: all of his routes were pretty much locked right. So
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: like you run a hit, you run a hit, you
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: run a vertical, you run an option. There's no options,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: there's no conversions or nothing like that. So that that
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: gave me a little bit of pause. I was hoping
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: he was going to tell me, well, yeah, like, if
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: you know, the corner was playing off of me, I
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: had the option to sit it down in front of
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: him or something like that. And he said no, My
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: my routes were all locked at at TCU And I
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: was like, uh, okay, is that a fault or is
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: you know that's coaching or they didn't think it. But
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I think Evan's point is that that would require more development.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I just think that it would be
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: would I that And you just look at you know
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the fact that he processes things quickly and like understands, Okay,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: this corner is bailing out or this corner is playing
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: uh off of me, and so I'm gonna have have
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I come out of my stance hard on a vertical.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have that opportunity to hit hitch this down
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: at like eight yards or something like that and make
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: an easy catch. Uh. Those are the types of things
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: that they asked them to do. You're those are the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: types of things that I think you do at the
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: next level in general when it comes to route running.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: So so to you know, to Billy and Philly's other question,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: um about do you think Belichick this year will target
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: premium free agents? You know, the top of the class.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: You know, who knows? I mean it's hard to tell.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: They money isn't an issue, right, I mean they have
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: they even if you believe the cap isn't crap, they have.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Space is not an issue, right, They've they've I don't
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: know if money is. Yeah, they've got space to do it.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: So that's not an issue. I don't know, I don't know.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: But going back to so the answer to the other
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: question is you know, not surprisingly who knows. But going
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: back to what you were talking about, Evan in terms
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: of you know, wide receivers and who talked to the Patriots.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: You talk to Matt grow as well as well as
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: our team, and and he said, if you want to
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: get the top player, the top receivers, you got to
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: you gotta spend some money. Yeah, he definitely, he has
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the right eye, like he's he understands the market obviously,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: as he shouldn't given the position that he's in in
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: the organization, and you know, some of the other things
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: that you hear about are mac being on a rookie
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: contract and maximizing this window and making sure that you
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: take advantage of the fact that you have a quarterback
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: on a cheaper number, because eventually that might not be
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: the case, like if back plays well in year three,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: in year four, you might end up being in a
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: situation where at the very least you're paying him Derek
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Carr Daniel Jones level money if you want to keep him.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: So I think that that the things that you did
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: hear though at the combine was that they would prefer
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: not to use the fourteenth overall pick on a wide receiver.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: And maybe it's it's more of a trade like the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: forty sixth pick for a veteran or something like that
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: that would be an enticing option for them, but he said,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: a point blank if you want premium talent at a
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: playmaking position like wide receiver, it comes out of premium
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: in today's NFL. And you know, for a long time
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: on this team, and let's face it, you know, sort
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: of the company line was, you know, it doesn't always
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: work out when you know the teams have spent all
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: that money don't always win, and which is true. But
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: now that you don't have Tom Brady, you kind of
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: have to rethink things a little bit, you know. I mean,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I think the trademarket is interesting, you know, And is
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: there somebody that nobody's even really thinking about that could
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: possibly move the needle? I don't know. I need stay
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: just generally, I don't have high expectations for next week.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I would like I said, I'd be all for investing
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: in the tackle spot. You talk about getting a new
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: offensive line coach in, you know, are you ready to
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: just throw a rookie to this? You know Adrian Climb,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I know you like him, You've hired him reportedly, So
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I think I'd prefer to go to the veteran route.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: But you know, I just I wonder about how do
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: we feel a long term about Kyle Dugger, How do
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: we feel a long term about Josh Uchi? How do
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: we feel long term about Michael m When you know,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: just a few guys who you know potentially in other
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: organizations might have earned second contracts and might be under
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: consideration for an extension, you know, those kind of things
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I think might go a little bit farther from me
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: that have thoughts are no more valuable. We'll get back
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: to it later, though. Let's go to Joaquin and Santa Rosa.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: What's up, Good morning, fellows. Are you guys doing good? Good? Nice?
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: I hope you guys are doing well, excellent shows. Always
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: thank him. I got two questions for you. First one,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: do you guys buy any of these rumors that the
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Raiders possibly want Mick Jones. I'm not buying it. I'm
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: not buying it. You don't think the Raiders would have
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: any interest? I think the Raiders would have interest. I don't.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, Frank, Yeah, I'm not buying. Yeah, I'm not. No. No,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I think I think McDaniels has pressure on him. I
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: think they they either have to draft somebody to buy
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: him time yep, or they need somebody who's established. Yeah,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: they can't middle it right, And I think mac Jones
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: would be middling it. Maybe he's the guy that could
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: get you where you want to go, but then if
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work, you're gone, You're out. Yeah, Like, I
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: think if you had like, I think mac Jones and
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Garoppolo are probably not all that different, especially considering Garoppolo's
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: injury history. But I think if you're Josh McDaniels, you
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I think you have to lean to Jimmy because I
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: think he gives you a better chance to come in
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: and win right away and get you where you need.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I think he needs to win. Yeah. I think it
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: was bad last year for him, not like Denver bad
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: for him, but it wasn't much better. Yeah, And I
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: think if they had money, I think he'd be gone.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Patriots handed them a game, you know,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: well after they handed you the game, Yeah, when they
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: blew a fourteen point lead like a in a blink
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: of an eye. Yeah, So I don't know. Quick quick aside,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: really cool watching Dave Ziegler busting with the boys with
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Taylor Luan had some great stories because Taylor Luwan was
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: actually in his high school. I didn't realize Dave Zigler
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: had been a high school guidance count slur before he
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: got on the coach on the NFL coaching um. But
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: like Taylor Lawan told the story of like he hadn't
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: like terrible grades in Spanish and like you know, Dave
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: was like helping him. But just a just a kind
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: of cool story something I never knew about Dave Ziegler here,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: that he had had kind of a late journey in life,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: and you know, saying, oh, I was thirty two, and
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: all the other kids scouting, you know, scouting assistants are
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: all these kids, and I'm here as this, like thirty
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: two year old guy who's already had a career speaking
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: to Dave Ziegler. Uh didn't did either of you, Evan
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: or Mike c Elliott Wolf while you were there? Okay,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't see him. Where'd you see him? Good thought?
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Fred thought, Okay, in the tomb we had um if
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: you guys caught this. And I forget the guy's name now,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: but we signed we we added a guy to the
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: scouting department, ye who has been who's been here before?
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: And Fred and I was sort of wondering if this
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: is preparation for maybe Elliot Wolf leave, like he's been
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: at a VP level in the league. Yeah, sounding like
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: a few people after him too, like other kind of
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: teams as well, And that was in the report, but
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: other teams that had Patriots, you know, it's Monty Awesome Ford,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: you know, Yepe, those those types. I just wonder if
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: maybe the draft comes and Elliot Wolf leaves. Yeah, I
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: just that's the timetable for personnel people. I think that's
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: a totally reasonable read. And I mean I would just
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: say generally, I just like, you know, adding adding some
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: support staff, adding people, you know, to to to get
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: more people in here, to get into the system, and
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: you know, just have more of a buffer. So that
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: does happen. You've got some guys there because I mean,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: you know, when we were there at the combine, it's
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: it's like you said, it's all these former Patriots execs
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: are now you know, running the show for a lot
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: of these teams, and you just realize how many guys
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: have departed. I think it's possible with with Elliot Wolf,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't roll it out, but he's been handling a
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: lot more of the pro personnel side of things. And
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots and Grow and Cam Williams have been
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: handling a lot more of the draft Stuf'm not saying
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: that they don't you know, crossover at all, but there's
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: been more of that. And I think when you look
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: at the Patriots in the past, the guys that they've
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: lost to other teams have been more of the pro
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: personnel guy as I would say that maybe the draft
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: guys exception, maybe John Robinson. But you know, Ziegler was
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: a pro personnel guy for example, so it's possible. But yeah,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: he was there. Okay, all right, foods here, So we're
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  Speaker 1: I like come, why's that? He's a hound dog man
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  Speaker 1: Tackle's gonna be there. Fourteen get a corner, but then
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  Speaker 1: then a wide retiever, one of those those little main corners.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think does hips don't lie with Gonzalez? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that guy's smooth. The hips don't lie. I'll my hips
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  Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez, though, I think is the number one corner
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  Speaker 1: think he's going to go in the top five to
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  Speaker 1: seven picks in this draft, though ultimately I don't know
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  Speaker 1: filled Gonzalez. He just looks like, you know, you say,
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, keep his mind, keep Paul class. Mike muted.
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  Speaker 1: to see Witherspoon, and I mean I really am kind
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  Speaker 1: of bummed about that he was one. I really wanted
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  Speaker 1: watching him destroy people in the backfield. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: is like fearless tackler and he seems like he fits
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  Speaker 1: the part. I just I need to look at him
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  Speaker 1: of a sense that we didn't see him there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's he's the best coverage player in the draft, like
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  Speaker 1: in terms of just you got this guy, Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: taking Witherspoon over the rest of them. But for the Patriots,
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  Speaker 1: he's like five eleven, Like, you know, he's not exactly
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  Speaker 1: what what we are all hoping for at that position,
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  Speaker 1: probably about five Yeah. I mean I'm not saying it's
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  Speaker 1: like he's not He's not Marcus Jones, like he's not
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  Speaker 1: five aid, But I just that if you're looking for
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  Speaker 1: What an email? Seventh? Paul couldn't say yes fast enough?
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  Speaker 1: So so you're actually gonna email a higher draft pick
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  Speaker 1: threshold for if somebody wanted to trade for Mac what
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  Speaker 1: would be what would be the lowest first round, second round?
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  Speaker 1: But like but specific, like I mean twenties. You know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect to be a top ten pick. But
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  Speaker 1: I think though the only way I and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how you would do this, The only way I
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  Speaker 1: what if Bill thinks there's not a whole lot to
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  Speaker 1: choose between those two quarterback question, I'm i gotta press record.
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  Speaker 1: Good day, sir. I have with Fred on this though,
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  Speaker 1: if you knew that, like, let's say they that's their
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  Speaker 1: line of thinking that Bailey's Appy and mac Jones are
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  Speaker 1: pretty much equal. But at fourteen, we're gonna take Anthony
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  Speaker 1: that scenario is fine, but you're not getting Anthony Richardson
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  Speaker 1: at fourteen. So like, what are you gonna do then?
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  Speaker 1: my in my personal opinion, I think it's a moot
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  Speaker 1: you would enough to offer you the ability to get
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• 1:16:34
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  Speaker 1: is something in there? I wait missed that? Never mind? Men,
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  Speaker 1: if he's fully healthy, I think he'd be going in
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: the first round. Oh yeah, but I'm going to be
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: fully healthy. I think for you'd have to take him
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: at forty six. Yeah, I'd be interested in that because,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: as you know, yeah, I think they need a quarter
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: little um left turn here Kyle and rosalind Dale writes
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: in while sitting around on Sunday after having a few
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: too many of Paul's diet millers on Saturday night, my
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: girlfriend and I suddenly got the craving for wings. Were
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: you with my son? Is that where all my diet millers?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: We We're currently in Rosalindale, and after scouring door Dash
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: and Uber Eats to find the best wing near us,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: I had an epiphany. Suddenly I heard Fred's voice in
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: my head talking about Buffs Pub prior to the Super
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Bowl and how the wings there can't miss. We ordered
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: take out, and I have to say, only after a
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: couple of bites in, I think Fred may have been
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: underselling it. I went with the lemon pepper, garlic palm
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: and my girlfriend peach bourbon barbecue and both were easily
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: in the tier of the best wings I've ever had. Um,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: that's that's great. But you didn't get Buffalo. That's hilarious
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: because I just saw an ad on TV for Buff's
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Pub randomly, and I'm like, where do I know this from?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: And it was Fred. This is Fred's place. Look good,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: everybody's Just for the record, I think I brought up
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Buffs pus. Ben was in agreement with me on it.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I gotta go where Newton right off right off the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: mass Pike, and we used to go after when I
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: worked at the Herald. After we would play our Boston
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: City corporate basketball games, I was just you know, messing
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: around and getting triple doubles. Um, we would go to
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Buffs Pub. It was awesome. Buzz pubs really really legit
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Buffalo wing. Evan thinks that the show started when he
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: was I think we've talked about Buffs Pub before you exist.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: I was, thank you, I hear I hear that a lot.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: You know, things happened before, all right, Uh, and certainly
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: I went to Buff's Pub before then too. I was
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: arguing my friends as Tim and I wanted to get
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: your thoughts. Do you think the AFC East is now
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: the best division in football, assuming the Jets get Aaron
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Rodgers and maybe the Ravens can't keep Lamar Jackson. Of
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: course this is just hypothetical, but I thought this was interesting. Um,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: it's definitely not the NFC South. I mean, if the
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Jets get Aaron Rodgers, then you have two legitimate, like
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: really legitimate teams. I don't know about Miami because of
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: the Brady Oh, that would be still give Yeah, I'm
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: not giving up on the AFC West either, because I
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: still think there's there's enough talent there. And I maybe
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I'm being foolish with Sean Payton, but I think Sean
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Payton will make that look better. Yeah. I think that
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: guy was over his head. Yeah, I mean as a
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: head coach, Nathaniel Hackett. I mean just even seeing this
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: on the TV screen here as we're sitting with like
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers agrees to me, you know, with the Jets,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: like it's it's kind of scary. Even says they're playing
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: foot see. I mean, it's kind of it's kind of
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: scary because I think we all agree that that team
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: has a lot of pieces in place, very scary and
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, And you've been looking
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: up at Miami and I know that they beat Miami
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: last year at the end, you know, a bang gambler
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Miami squad not exactly what it was, but yeah, so
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: you know they haven't been able to beat Buffalo. They've
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: had a real hard time with Miami two. And now
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: you're talking about the Jets are about to get a
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: generational quarterback with Think about the games that you had
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: with the Jets last and recently. Was the only reason
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: you won that game last year at home was because
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: of the kick return have nothing to do with your
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: I think you may have lost both. If Mike White
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: had played let alone Rogers, they couldn't score points. That's
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: not going to be the case with Aaron Rodgers. Ye,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: and if Hall is you know healthy again? You know right, jeez,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't even that didn't even come to the top
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: of my mind that that's a scary proposition. I I
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: I have to do everything in my power and keep
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers from going to the Jets. I really do.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to start making some phone calls because
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I mean for me, and I said it many times,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: like and I know Paul sometimes brings up like, you know, well,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about, like, you know, Wessel Wilson
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: going to the Broncos. Do you feel like, you know,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: the AFC is getting tough and it's like I can't
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: get past the AFC East and right now it's just
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: like that is my my nightmare of well, what are
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: the Patriots going to do? Because we know what's going
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: on against Buffalo Miami and now that the Jets are
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: going to enter into this mix, like you know, they
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: need to, I feel like and I hate this kind
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: of stuff, like you need to make a statement, But
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: at the same time, I kind of feel like you
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: got to make a statement and say, hey, what are
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: we doing to try to like close the gap here
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: because it feels like all these other teams are making
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: strides each offseason away from us, and each year it
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: gets a little bit farther away. Yeah, but I do
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: think the the AFC East would would enter into that
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: area of the best, if not the best divisions. There
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: aren't really a ton of them. I still think the
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: North is pretty good, you know, with with Cincinnati, Cleveland
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh, UM in Baltimore, they're all like they're all
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: talented teams. They're all pretty tough teams. The big X
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: factor there is is Watson. Can he be anything like
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: what he was? Right? We didn't really see a lot
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: of signs of that in the last handful of games
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: he played. But what if the whole offseason he looks
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: more like the Deshaun Watson that last played for the Texans.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: When when Mike decided, oh yeah, he's pretty good. Yeah,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: I mean that's I mean, he won't stop the storying
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: the team. That's when you found out he was good.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: I mean not at Clemson. Wait, I mean, I mean,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I tell I tell you about what Marvin Harrison's sons.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: That's a division where the Steelers are kind of in
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: the situation of the Patriots where yeah, you know, right, yeah,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: and and and they I mean they are I think
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: that if if Watson turns out to be what he
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: was in Houston, then I think Pittsburgh is the worst
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: team in that division. And they went nine and eight
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: right last year. Yeah, so that's a pretty good division.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: And Jackson's I don't think Jackson's going anywhere. Yeah, Jordan
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: and London, I love Duson Evans reports from the combine,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: but we only heard good reviews of the player players
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: and how they carried themselves. I missed Paul and Andy's
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: a rational dislike of prospects those after walking past them
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: in India, and in fairness to me and I don't
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: often defend myself, that was more of an Andy thing.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: I just decided guys couldn't play based on appearances, based
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: on X. That That was my like, what are we
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: doing here? Rub you the wrong way? Yeah? Did he
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: say like he thought he should be the number one
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: overall pickers? I mean, you know, he's just I don't know.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Andy was completely out on Kyla Murray. Yeah, just look
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: some little boy I wandered in. Oh yeah he was. Yeah,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: he was right way right. Um, Let's see, he knew
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: that he didn't study and that's why he would never
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: be as good as he should be. A gamer closet, Bryan,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: he's like sitting in one of those chairs, like gamer chairs. Like, hey, guys,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Brian in the bay airess as Paul as a fraud,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Yes he is. Orlando Brown playing on three teams is
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: a red flag. Brandon Cooks playing on four teams is
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: the hall of fame. You know, I'm not interested in
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: reacquiring Brandon Cooks and when the Patriots got him it
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: was his second team. I'm not interested in straighten for
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. Now, well, that's the Robbie Anderson thing too,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Like I'm less interested in that, right I no, And
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: that just in these names get recycled over and over,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: which knows me to our our lunchtime discussion during the break,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: What do you think of Robbie Anderson on a cheap,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: cheap team? I mean, you get him, appreciate a No,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: why do we want that? We don't want that. No,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. When we go down the hall
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: and ass because they've been When I say we, I'm
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: not just talking about the fans. I'm saying that that's
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: what they'll do. Yeah. Another guy, another guy that wrote
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: in saying, you know cornerback, Like you know, I think
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: cornerback is a is a big need. Totally agree. What
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: do you think of Greedy Williams who hasn't really worked out?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: He's a second round pick who was supposed to be
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: real and I missed on him, by the way. That
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: was a guy that I really liked. Um, why do
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: we need to find these like diamonds in the rough?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Liked did Gilmore not work out? Will? So when I
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: when I posted my cornerback rankings going into the combine,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: and all the comments were if they can find J. C.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Jackson as a UDFA, why waste the first round pick
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: on a corner And it's like, because J. C. Jackson
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: is good, not great, That's what they don't get in right.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Fred and I had a discussion about this. I think
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: in last Tuesday show, if I can win the lottery,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: why you know have a four one K. So the
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Patriots have done a very good job, and I'm not exaggerating,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: They've done a very good job of finding undrafted free
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: agent cornerbacks that can play, that have made the turn
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: them into NFL players. Going back to Randall Gay and
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: you know Malcolm Butler, I mean even Miles Bryant, John James,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones, third round pick, Ryan and U and JC Okay.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: But I think those guys were really good when you
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: think of them as former undrafted free agents. Not when
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: you think of them is we took him in the
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: first round, right, Like Randall Gay was not a great
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: player if he was a first round draft pick. That again,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: same point made on six Rings today. Just saying traded
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: for Talib like had to go out and sign Rivers Browner.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't really, And I think that's a
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: characteristic of all of their championship teams one to one
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: High Law Sante, Samuel Stefan, Gilmour, Durell Revs. Like they've
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: had that out to use your your turn, that alpha
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: corner that if you want to say, Steph Diggs is
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: playing today, Okay, no problem, I got him. He's gonna
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: get his three for thirty and that's all. That's what
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: I loved. We talked to Cam Smith from South Carolina
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit at the Combine and he played Jalen
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: High this past season. He won the b and cough
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: at Tennessee and he said they got into their meeting
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: room on Sunday, first meeting room turned the page of Tennessee.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: He goes, walks into the meeting room, goes, I got
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: high at and leaves and I was like boom, Like
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: that's what that's what we have, the mentality, and that's
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: what I know that there's stories from ty Law doing
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: similar things where you know they would play, uh, you know,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: the bills and he'd be like, I got molds and
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: then he would just walk out of the room and
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: then in the game he'd take molds and he'd take
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: your guy too. Yeah. Yeah, right, So it's and I
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: just I feel like that we sometimes and I heard
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: my buddy Chris Gasper talking about this, like the page
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: has done a great job of developing cornerbacks over the years,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: and I would push back against that a little bit.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: I think they've done a great job of like mining
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: you know, these diamonds in the rough, yes, and turning
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: him into you know, NFL players like Malcolm Butler to me,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: was good. J C. Jackson is good. I don't think
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: there's stars, but I could give you a laundry list
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: of guys they've taken in the first three rounds of
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: that position that all couldn't play tyrone les I love
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: the point and and and I think when I look
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: at this defense, I think that's what's missing, Like you
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: need that number one cornerback. And it's not just about
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: or you're gonna go lock a guy down. It's just
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: about the trickle down. And you know, if you have
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: that one guy, then all these other guys that you
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: somehow found u DFA's late round developmental guys then there
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: then that's okay. But when you're trying to go into
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: battle with just all guys that you you know, the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: diamonds and the rough who aren't quite you know, they're
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: the one bees of the world, I don't think it's enough.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: I think they need that talent. They need that guy
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: at the top. No. I mean we saw it, even
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: guys that weren't in their prime but were good covers.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: When they added vas and the tall kid on the
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: other side, Browner, uh that year, it made. It made
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: a huge difference. It allowed you to do so many
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: different things on defense that you weren't able to do before.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: You know it frees other guys. Like the mentality of
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: how you view a guy right, Like, I think we'd
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: all agree Jonathan Jones good solid player, Like I wouldn't
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: tell you anything overly negative about Jonathan Jones, but I
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: still think of him as scrappy, overachieving, undrafted free agent.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Look what happened when you made him your number one corner?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: How did Digs do against him? How did Jefferson do
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: against them? And that's not Jonathan Jones's fault. This is
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: not necessarily meant to be a shot at Jonathan Jones.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: It's meant to show you the difference between the guys
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: that Evan's talking about that come into the meeting room
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: and tell you what they're going to do. And you're
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent in year six or seven who's
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: had hats off, great job getting yourself into a really
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: really respectable NFL career, who's competitive, right, Yeah, and he is.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: He didn't have a terrible year as the number one corner, right,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: he was fine, Right, But I think if he's going
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: to be your number one corner, you're probably gonna struggle
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: against a good passing. And that's why, like you can tell,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: like you guys know this, like and I always look
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: at the teleide things like kind of the inflection point
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: of like, hey, we can't just keep driving drafting five ten,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: one eighty corners that play zone. We need to be
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: able to man people up. So, like I think we
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: were all surprised when they put that contract on Stefan Gilmore,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: you know, not in a bad way, but just those
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: signs to me going to get Reevas. It showed to
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: me they get it, they know they need that guy,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: and they just they haven't had that guy since Gilmore left.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: I think this this draft could be an opportunity to
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Gilmore was the I think the tenth overall pick in
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: his draft, and so he's somebody that was a high
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: end talent, like you know, really great tester all through
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: the roof, all everything. And I just I come back
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: to we were talking about this a lot at the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: combine because these corners just like blew us away. I mean,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be fifteen corners draft in the top one
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: hundred of this draft. There's a great depth, great guys
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: at the top at the top, excuse me, and we
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: were why why were they? Why do they have such
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: a good pass rush? But they were terrible on third down? Right?
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: Like why like how do those two sixty sacks twenty
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: second on third right? How do those two things line up?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day, as
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: much as I get into the x's and nose in
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: the scheme, and at some point it's our guys against
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: your guys, and on the outside at corner there guys
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: were just not good enough. I mean I look at
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: the Raiders game, like they just marched right down the
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: field when they needed a drive at the end of
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: the game. If you had one of those lockdown corners
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: and said, in Marcus Jones, you know, playing out a
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: position and all these guys playing you know, in up
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: up a peg in the order, did the Raiders march
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: right down the field, like, I don't know. Maybe if
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: you lose Jonathan Jones and you don't do it. Let's
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: say you don't get that first or second round draft
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: pick and you don't say, swing a trade for Jalen
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: Ramsey or someone you know, I don't know, Marcus Peters,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Then you're going in with Jalen Mills,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: who you have no idea about because you missed half
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: the year. And the Jones boys, like I mean even
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: even Miles Bryants are restricted free agent. Yep, that's a
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: complicated one where he's undrafted too, So it's like you're
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: basically either choose him, We're gonna extend him, or we're
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: gonna kind of let him walk. Well, you cannot gonna
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: give an original Terren tender and then anybody could sign
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: me to it, right, I mean most teams, if they
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: had any if they had any interest in the player,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: would give him a second round tender, which would scare
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: everybody off. Can't pay you think you're going to give him. No,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think they will. Juan in Mexico, with the
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: report that teams believe Jacoby Myers is not getting fifteen
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: plus million dollar contract, is there more of a chance
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: they keep him or they start from scratch with drafting?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Also with Bill not going into the combine, is that
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: a sign he is leaving more GM duties to Matt
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: grow and focusing more on the coaching part of his job.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Or does it mean nothing? I mean, I mean, I
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: think the way they divide it up is gross. Kind
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: of the draft and Elliot Wolf was kind of free
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: agency and pro I mean that's been Bill kind of
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: overseeing at all. I think that last thing. Or does
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: it mean nothing? Where I'm at fifteen plus million, I'm
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: not sure that Jacoby Myers is going to get more
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: than fifteen million. I think I think given the market,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: he's he's probably gonna walk. And I mean it's I'm
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: excited for him to get to get paid. And but
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: I also think that the Patriots can you know, I
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: don't want to say upgrade, but I think they can
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: change their dynamic a little bit, and you know, instead
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: of having a lot of guys who maybe air more
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: to the side of size and smarts. You can maybe
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: the word I keep hammering quickness, you can, you know,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: try to try to get a little bit of speed
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: and dynamic nature into the middle of the field. It's
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: going to be unproven likely, but you know, I would
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: take you know, some flyers on, maybe some some veteran
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: guys too, just to see how it works, just to
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: be a fly on the wall down there. About how
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: they're talking about approaching this offseason, you know, and are
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: we gonna surround Mac? Is that priority number one? Like
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: I just it would be so interesting to know. Yeah,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: you know, well to go back to the whole Aaron
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Rodgers saying, if that's not priority number one, then what is?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Because if the Jets have Aaron Rodgers and that defense,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: and the Bills are the Bills, and the Dolphins are
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: at least a team that can light up the scoreboard
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: on any given sun day, you'd better be able to
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: score some points in this division. And right now they
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: are not. They are on the bottom of that. And
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: who knows what Garrett Wilson looks like. I mean, how
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: far Garrett Wilson ascends when he has a quarterback like
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: that throwing them the ball. You know, like you could
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: be talking about the three of the top five receivers
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: in the league or in the ACA with Zach Wilson
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: throwing in the ball in the game in the mental lands.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: He ripped him up. Yeah right now, the second game
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: here and no one could do anything offensifully, quick, quick
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: little story I did, right. I don't know if I
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: wrote it today, write it. I don't know. Um, but
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: talking to a guy from Houston and just brought up like, hey,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: what'd you think of Marcus Jones? Is um you know
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: rookie year. I mean, just lit up like, oh my gosh,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: he said, you know, we're the whole team. We were
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: watching it in the locker room that game against the Jets,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: and then you know we're all like, oh man, he
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: could do it. He could do it. We all had
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: our phones out. You know. He's just he was so
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: excited for his former teammates and stuff. So, you know,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: just kind of cool, little little direction. I like those
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: you talk to the teammates the year later. I just
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: love when you ask questions and you see something igniting
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: them that they're just excited to talk about. Because there
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: were a couple guys. I talked to some of the
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: Oregon guys, but there was one of the Oregon linemen
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: where I was kind of silent up getting ready to
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: ask a question, and I'm like, this is the most
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: nervous human being I think I've ever seen in my
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: entire life, and like was just fumbling with like the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: most simplest questions. And I'm like, all right, I'm just
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: gonna let this guy have a pass. I don't want
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: to stress them out anymore. No, No, Adrian growing, Nope,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: not on that. Why don't you pick up the backside
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: blitz Alex in Somerset love the show. I've heard Evans
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: say multiple times how the Patriots cannot or do not
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: develop big outside receivers. Quentin John said Metcalf types, I'm
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: confused by this because coaches are constantly being shifted and updated.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: Belichick is a defensive coach. It doesn't seem to be
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: part of the wide receiver development. Why is it just
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: a known thing that the Patriots are unable to develop
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: a big wide receiver? Saying this without going further almost
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: makes it seem like the Patriots aren't able to do
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: it for unknown reasons. Considering coaching changes happen constantly. Could
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: you expand this? Just tell me the one big outside
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: receiver that they developed into a good NFL player. I mean,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: how many coaches do we have to I don't care
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: about the coaches, Like, just just tell me. I mean,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: it's never happened. Well, maybe he's just curious, Like why
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: do you think that they've been unsuccessful doing it? Because
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: I think in this system, and look, we can talk
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: about the system and if it if it should be
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: the system and not should be the system or whatever,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: but in this system, you have to be a high
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: IQ player that knows how to run routes. And the
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: guys that just are explosive, big size speed guys had
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: to do that run in a straight line. Like that's
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: just not you know, just I don't know, Like just
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: name a name. I know, I know Jackson. They didn't
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: develop Davante Adams. But do you think it's an interesting
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: just thing to discuss in terms of what Davanta Adams
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: did with you know, with Mick Lombardi and Josh McDaniels.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Who were those previous guys Like, I mean, again, you
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: brought Randy mosson and there was no problem. There's no
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: problem when you bring a guy in who's you know,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: that next kind of level. But I mean, I agree
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: generally the point. I'm still kind of on the same
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: thing with with Quentin Johnston in that regard. But yeah,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: I agree with the point because I think it's factual,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: Like I don't. I think Evin just gave you a
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: bunch of examples of guys. But I look at it
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: more as it's it's not really it's not really what
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: they want. It's not what they're looking for for whatever reason.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: And I disagree with it because I do think that
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: when you have guys with that kind of ability, the
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: offense changes, and I think it did change when when
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Moss came in. Now I get it, like to just
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: ask Chad Jackson to be Randy Moss. That's stupid. But
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: you got to hit like, I don't like the idea
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: of just saying those guys don't work in this offense,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: so I'm not going to look at them. And this
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: is not meant to be a shot at you, evn't.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: This is more of a shot at like the system. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's unbending. I hear you, because look,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: I think just in terms of checking boxes. I think
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson checks the most boxes out of any receiver
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: in this class because he doesn't have the forty concern
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: that JSN might have or the speed concern that he
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: might have. So if you're just looking at boxes, I
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: think in terms of the position he's going to play
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: in the league is that outside X receiver, he checks
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: all of them. He's at everything. But the problem that
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: you see with him as a linear athlete like this
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: is not a guy that can sink his hips, make
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: a cut at the top of the route and create separation.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, even when he goes up against corners that
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: he had their numbers, Like Julius Brentz is a guy
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: I really like on Day two had a lot of
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: problems covering Quentin Johnson down the field, but when Quentin
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Johnson ran a slant, Julius Brentz was in his hip pocket.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Like so, you know, you just you look at these
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: types of things and you worry. I don't want to
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: fixate necessarily on a specific player. I'm gonna just start
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: naming random players from the league like Mike Evans and A. J.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: Brown and DK Metcalf and you know, like all of
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: these guys like, do we feel And I'm not talking
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: to go right now, I don't because I think they're
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: they're finished products. So I'm not I know, you don't.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: You don't think that they could get it out of them? No,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that I think that if this Patriots tomorrow
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: went out and traded for DK Metcalf, I think DK
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Metcalf would be a hell of a Patriot. Like I
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: think he'd be a great player. I don't. My concern
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: is is that you're if you had drafted DK Metcalf
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, would DK Metcalf be the player that
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: he is with Seattle today? Because I don't think that.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: You think it's more of a development thing. Yeah, I
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: think it's more due to the system that they that
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: there's I think it's I think, to me, I guess
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: they go hand and yeah, I was just gonna say
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: it feels like they go hand in hand, and like,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't have the answer. I'm not.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: This is not one of my snarky paulism, So I'm
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: just thinking out loud. I think that your offense is limited.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: I listen, when you have Tom Brady, I mean, and
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: just that guy Mike Evans proves the point. So you
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: had it doing it like with the five yard passes
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: to Wes Welker and Julian Edelman and then throwing seeing
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: routes to Gronk and throwing bombs to my like he
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: showed you you could do it. And then he went
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: and entirely different cast of characters in Tampa Bay, really
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: talented cast of character characters. But he's throwing bombs to
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: Mike Evans and it looks the same. It just I mean,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, the productions the same. It looked different, but
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: the production was there. Like to me, it's about not
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: about the system as much as the players. Where I'm
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: at right now is that I'm wondering last year's you know,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: changing the system, simplifying it to make it go faster.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: You know where did that end up? And was that
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: part of trying to eliminate the kind of things we're
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: talking about. Second point, Bill O'Brien has had success developing
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of wide receivers. DeAndre Hopkins obviously played well
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: under him in Houston. What changes now when Bill O'Brien
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: comes back, is this now building off of what Matt
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Patricia did and in the simplicity. Are we blowing that
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: up and we're just Bill brow'brian's offenses back now, you know.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: So that's an area where I wonder maybe that you know,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: maybe Bill O'Brien has something new and maybe, you know,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: maybe that this can change a little bit it. I
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: don't know. He hasn't had success elsewhere though, when he's
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: seen plenty of other guys, So that's a little bit
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: intriguing to me. I think it's the old Billy O'Brien system.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be the same playbook that they had,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: like the Patricia playbooks and that whole thing experience. Oh um.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: Speaking of him, Yeah, Karen Greegid over the weekend indicated
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: that he is in play for a job in Philadelphia. Yeah.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: I saw a possible linebackers coach. Yeah, just that. I
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: was just gonna say, you know, he's still there, be
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: best friends forever. Yes, I still don't think you're in
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you think you should be hanging
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: out with those guys. You haven't achieved anything that they have.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: Russell in Arkansas, speaking of Billy Oh, he wonders do
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: you guys think Billy Oh will have any say in
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: the draft. If so, do you think they would be
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: more inclined to draft guys from the SEC? And last question,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: any chance they go more defensive players in the draft?
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: In free agency? Um and free agency route for offense.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: So defense in the draft free agency for offense. There
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: is no offense in free agency besides a lineman. There's tackles. Uh, well,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: you tell him the thing that you that you heard
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: right like? Yeah, no, Yeah, Macro told me that that
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: Billy Oh was a huge I think it's he used
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: two huges, huge, huge, huge resource for for the college side.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: I think is the phrasing that he used to pick
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: his brain about players he coach at Alabama, players he
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: coached against in the SEC College Football playoff Sugar Bowl,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: you know things like that. So yeah, I definitely think
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: that Bill O'Brien not only having an influence on scouting
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: in the players that they go after, but also having
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: an influence based off of the type of system that
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: he's going to implement here will be a big part
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: of it. I'm not thinking it's the end, I'll be all.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: I think it'll be part of it, and I don't
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: think that will lead them to draft more SEC guys,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Like I think that's what you like. I mean, I
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: think you, in general you're gonna draft SEC guys, so
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: does everybody else. But I think he'll be a part
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: of the draft, just like I think Josh was a
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: part of the draft. And I would just say fred
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: to the to the defensive side of the point. I
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: feel like I came back from Indian If I had
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: to say, there's one area I just don't really feel
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: like I got a good beat on. It is the
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: front seven, the linebackers, the edges, and I mean, I
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: do feel like there's some quality nose tackle, you know,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: day three feel you know, take the Carl Davis role
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: and maybe hand it to a rookie. But you know,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: as far as like, oh, this looks like such one
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: of their guys as an edge that they might potentially
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: take him at fourteen or even you know, in the
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: second round, I just I don't really those guys aren't
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: on the top of my mind right now. I need to.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Everybody don't feel it, but I know
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: that I in listening to all those coaches and GM's talk,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of them brought up pass rushing was pretty
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: deep class and now I didn't like I don't know
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: all of the individuals like I do with some of
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: the wide receivers and in different spots, but I know
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: like Brandon Bean in particular, was talking about tight ended
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: corner like everybody else has um and then he mentioned
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: pass rushers. Yeah, I would say, I would say those
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: are the three in order, tight end, corner, edge are
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: the three best position groups in this draft. Edge is
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: going to go I'd say maybe ten deep in the
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: top fifty. And it's guy like Will Anderson's at the
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: top of the draft, right, and then there's guys that
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: trickle in behind that you mentioned josh Ucha on a
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: contract year and if they're gonna end up paying him,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: like a guy like Nolan Smith at fourteen from Georgia
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: after the combine he just had, it's not it's not
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: totally out of the realm of possibility of just best
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: player available on the board and that's who we're gonna take.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe they end up that the positions and
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: need aren't really there at fourteen and they don't love
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: a trade back and Nolan Smith is sitting there for
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: them and they end up taking him. He's just one
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: of those freak athletes off the edge have to resign
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: two out of the three. Dugger. Yeah, same the way
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: came on, though I don't know, I might say Ouche
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: and Duggar. I would say Uche and Dugger two. Yeah,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: if you only had one Doug Dugger, that would be
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: my picture. Yeah. But usche Man, he's rising, he's ris
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: and I got to figure out a classic. Belichick realizes
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: that it's not It was Arizona in the fourth quarter
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: against the backup tackle. Yeah. Class, And and to Paul's point,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: I think too, it's like, on mind you I really
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: like him? Do I love him? Like? Do I need
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: him to stay here for ten years? At Rodar early
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: in the show, I said, I want to get back
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: to that, but I think A. When you's a rock
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: solid offensive, now he's a he's a beast um. But
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: this is what you did. You know, let's rewind, I
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: don't know, six years and you re upped Shack Mason
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: and Joe Tuney. You know, in Tuney's case, you franchised
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: for big money. Yeah, and it doesn't make your team
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: all that much better. I'm not saying that you're not
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: better with Michael when you that you would be Chason Hines.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: But how much better are you? Yeah? The whole cold,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: strange thing all over again, you know, And I would
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: say too like my comment was as much about can
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: we retain some of our own players and build a
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  Speaker 1: core because it feels like, you know, as these free
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  Speaker 1: agent class from twenty twenty one starts to you know,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: expire and get out, I just I'm left wondering, where's
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  Speaker 1: our core? Who are the guys that we've drafted that
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: we really like that we're you know, we want to
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: build around that. We want to make the Patriots franchise players.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: When we put guys up on billboard, who are those
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: guys going to be? Fred touches mic? You can't touch
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: the mic, Fred, don't touch that. Yeah, I don't want
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: that hand. Looking at that Mike Trove in the bathroom,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: can't I can't move my mic arm don't move. Let's
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  Speaker 1: go back to the Ace ticket outline, Boston Cream out
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: of Edmonton's on the line. What's up? Oh boy, hey guys,
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  Speaker 1: thanks thanks for rolling off season content. I just want
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: to say a couple of things. First off, evan massive
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: upgrade over Eric. We've checked off a couple of years
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: checked out, no disrespect, no, none taken. Yeah, don't take
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: it personally. The truth is never mean. The question I
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: have is if Belichick drafts another head scratcher this year,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: how do you think the fan base to reacts? And
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: do you think that possibly that's the next put out
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: the door for Belichick? I think the fan base will
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: react the same way it does every year when he
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: does that. What is he doing? And he's a better coach,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I think to the point and to
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: the point of last year was undebatably not good and
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: and and a bad year for Bill. You know, I
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: just and compounded with the AFC stuff, with Aaron Rodgers
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: and all that. I you know, I don't want to again.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: I don't want the optics of it, but I just
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: feel like you need something for the fan base to
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: feel like, hey, we got some hope here that we're
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: going to come And we've always said that, like the
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: presence of Tom Brady and the AFCAS forced other teams
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: to make bad decisions because they were always like, yeah,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: we don't beat him in two years and you blow
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: it up. Could that happen to the Patriots, like, you know,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: like you're you're the way I'm I'm looking at you
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: while you're talking to is it's like something I would
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: say it already hasn't. Yeah, you know Aaron Rodgers and
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: you know, gosh out, we're gonna do something like could
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: you make could could you see them making bad decision?
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: I think Buffalo and the Jets in the same situation
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: that the Patriots have been the last three years, would
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: have already been on a second regime. Yeah, I'm already
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: gone three years like that. I think last year is
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: is it? That's it? Last year was a bad decision
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: after bad decision. I mean there you know a couple
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: doozies and ones that aren't just like well why didn't
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: he play marm but like they blew up the whole
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: offense and they never found their way, like you know,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: so they is that a result of feeling pressure blowing
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: up the offense? And I don't think so. I think
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: it was. I think it was the result. I think
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: it was the opposite. I think it was money saving
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: that too, But I think it was the opposite of
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we can figure it out. I
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: believe that one said it. I just I look at
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: the dear raft and like just hit it down the fairway, please,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: like stop taking cole Strangers in the first round, like
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: you're not in that position anymore. And when I keep
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: on going back to that introductory on the field thing,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: or they march them out with mister Kraft and Jonathan
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: and h and mister Kraft is sitting there saying, well,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: Bill says, it's it's like Logan Makons. It's like okay,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: but like when you drafted Logan Makons, like you had
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady, so like you could draft a guard in
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: the first round like this is not tom Brady would
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: make the guard better, right, That's what he did to
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: all his life. But but you had a Super Bowl
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: roster already and you were just looking to fill holes
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: at that point in your lineup, and Logan Makons was
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: was plugging play. Now you need Tom Brady like you
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: need those you need the stars, you don't need Cole
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: Strangers of the world. Right. Well, it's like Buffalo taking
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: Osiris Torrance, you know, at the end of the first
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: round this year, which is like there you are. That's
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: what you're doing right now. You're drafting the best guard
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: down there at the bottom because you can then you've
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: got the pieces. You have the fourteenth overall pick in
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: the draft that there's no reason for that pick not
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: to be a consensus. Yes, like that guy was a
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: top twenty talent in this draft. Four Is this the
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: famous Boston Cream By the way, I was thinking the
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: same thing. Oh yeah, Oh wow, So you're the Boston
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Twitter Twitter. Oh boy, tip of the cap to you,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: my friend. You you you cracked me up quite frequently. Yes,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: you do. Thank you for your support over the years too,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: chuckle guffaw hello, well even yeah, give him a follow.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: How much time do you devote to your postings? Uh? Well,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: I work for the government, so probably quite a bit.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks for calling, and I appreciate your
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: calling it. He is very funny. It's very funny Boston
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: Cream jacket and says big receivers don't fit in well
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: in New England because big receivers tend to be prima
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: donnas and Belichick has no tolerance big receivers don't fit
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: in the Patriots culture. That's not a good well I
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: will say this though. I will say this though it
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: may not be true anymore, but I think there there
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: is something to be said for that in the past
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: where Bill didn't want to bring in those big individual
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: type personalities into the locker. You know, I just don't
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: think look at the way they muzzled him when he
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: got here. I don't think the draft that was why. Yeah,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: but when the guys that he has personal like the
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: guys that like he's chummed up with Ocho Sinko's if
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: there was the reason why he wouldn't do something, there
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be so many exceptions to that. Yeah, like Randy
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: Moss and Chinko. Yeah, but he's not anti But yeah,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: we're talking I'm talking about. I'm talking about when you're
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: bringing in the top wide receiver in the draft, in
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: the free agent and paying him big money from the start,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: so he comes into the locker room being, if not
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: the highest paid guy, the second to Brady or Moving.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: It's true, No, this is what I Everything you just
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: said I agree with. It's it's it's I That's that's
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: not said I said. Or drafting that top wide receiver
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: in the draft, who's gonna come in on Day one
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: and feel like I'm telling you I don't have any
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: proof of this, but I know that that was something
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: that Bill was worried about. I don't have any proof
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: of this either, but I I really wholeheartedly believe that
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: a J. Brown instagram living himself from the parking lot
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: after his Top thirty visit here in Foxborough was the
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: reason why they didn't draft him. I I this is
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: because I can't look at it from an evaluation standpoint
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: and really think that they thought to kill Harry was
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: a better prospect than a J. Brown Like it Just
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: that blows my mind that that a team is as
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: smart as the draft. That's embarrassing. I mean, I hope not.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: I think locker room culture isn't always has been important. Okay,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: and don't the two things, but I let me finish,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: and I in culture, I include the pecking order of salaries.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: That's always been important. Okay, So why is drafting a
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: wide receiver in the first round more of a threat
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: to your salary structure than drafting attacking that I make
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: the same No that again, I said salary is important,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: but also that attitude of you know, the big guy
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: on campus on day one and you know, I'm I
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: just hope that you're not right, because if we're closing
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: ourselves off to talented players because we don't like the
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: way they talk. Yeah, that's doing your team with just
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's hope you're not. I think that's an
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: adjustment that Bill has had to make a post Brady.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: But I think while Brady was here, that was a
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: big thing. I think it was if they don't Tandre
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: Hopkins because of that or I hope you're wrong there
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: JSN because of that. I think now, like I said,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: now you might have to do that because you don't
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: have Tom Brady. But I think back then he had
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: the luxury of picking and choosing guys who he thinks
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: fit into whether it's the salary scheme or the culture scheme.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: He could be choosy. But I think we went back
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: to the system. I think he picks guys that fit
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: into the system. I agree, and I don't think that
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: he necessarily thinks that those guys are best fit. Now,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: when you get a guy like Moss, he could play
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: in any system. He could do. You know, Bill used
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: to say how football smart he was. Yeah, he was.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: He was at a level intellectually higher than most. I mean,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, are you saying that any of the top
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: receives in the NFL right now couldn't fit into the
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: Patriot system. That's what they could. That's my point, Like that,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: don't tell me that he's not getting these guys because
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not interested in Justin Jefferson or Stefan Diggs because
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: they're divas. Of course they're divas. But I'm saying now
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: he can't be choosy anymore. You know, now you can't.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: You're staring down the barrel of fourth place in the AFC.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but I'm telling you this is freaking out
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: over here. Yeah, those things were important in the past,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: Well you know how they fit into And I don't
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: think you maximize your championships now I'm rethinking the whole thing.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: I think you could. I think you left several titles
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: on the table now as some reason you couldn't have
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: a guy who was confident in your locker. I judging
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: from you know, some of the callers on your station,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: I would agree that I think you're not alone. That's
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: how that moron thinks. He's he's his anti talent at
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: that position as anybody I've ever met, Mike Felger, I'm
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: talking about the callers, not Mike, and the callers to Mike.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: Mike is anti talent. He hates receivers really, except for
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: a certain type. Okay, I'm sure he loved a pregnant
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he loved DeVante Abbas when he was with
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: Green Bay. Uh no, well that's surprising. Probably said he
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: loves he loves Troy Brown, who loves West Welker They
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: brandwashed him. He loves Julian Edelman rights for why Weekend?
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: Oh well, why don't they just wait until the day
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: three and draft Charlie Jones from Purdue because he ran
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: a greade forty? Why don't you stop? It didn't look
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: like you don't let the guy you're outside to take
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: the top off the dude, No one's talking about the
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: top off the defense. You need guys to make plays,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: right right. That's why I would more than one kind
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: of player. When you had Gronk, that was fine with
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: the slot guy. If it was just the slot guy,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't have worked. Though. I just get so jealous
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: when I watched guys like Deebo Samuel and Justin Jefferson,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: and you know, you know they you know now you
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: tell me they'd help your team. Those guys aren't not diva's,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: of course they are debo. Debo's like taking a video
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: of the stadium see you in a month, Bill, Like
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: that's the epitome of a diva. And if that's why
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: we didn't take them, well, like little Paul Parola wearing
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: Patriot footy pajamas. Fanboy is really upset with that. If
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: we didn't take the guy because he was too brash. Yeah,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: when Nickissario was talking at the Texans podium last week,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: I was I really just wanted like, I just want
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: to know. I'm not even like I'm not even making
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: fun of them or or attacking them about it. But
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: what about Nikkil Harry in that draft made him a
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: better player then Deebo, samuel A. J. Brown, DK Metcalf,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: Terry mcclaure, Like, what was it in your evaluation? Because
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: if it's if it's Fred's thing that he was the
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: most humble of arguing with I'm not arguing with Fred's theory,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: by the way, I'm just mad about it. There's a
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: different right. If that was what it was, then I
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: can't run an get Larry Fitzgerald because he's the like
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: the model human being at that position. I just like
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: not he just didn't Jerry Rice because he was, you know,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: two into himself. I would love to just know what
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: if it If it was a football reason, then what
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: was the football reason? Because they were on an island
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: with that opinion. Yeah, all right, no, no, Mike, Mike Lombardi,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: he was, he was with him. They were on an
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: island that opinion. All right. If you think the DK
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: metcalf is better than Keneel Harry, you're an idiot. All right.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: That's it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We finished
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: on a high note. We'll be back Thursday with more
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: Catch twenty two, also on Thursday. We'll see you then.
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