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*Bonus Episode* ORANGE COUNTY FINALE RECAP · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling.
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: Hello, welcome in day after Halloween Darlings. Wow, I hope
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: you had a great one, Emily Deresis and I are
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: here to break down that as well as the finale
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: of Orange County. Welcome in, Emily.
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: Thank you Amy one in all, and please keep sending
• 0:38
  Speaker 3: us your awesome costumes and your pet costumes.
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, you guys have out done your yelf.
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: These are amazing and I have to say that it's
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: really a lot of pet costumes this year, which I
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: enjoy seeing that the darlings are just pet lovers as
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: we all would believe them to be. Yeah, we are
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: waiting on one yes, Grayson Grayson, the Bisho graphic artist
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: Mike Ceceri and his dog Grayson, who he dresses up
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: every year. We're waiting with baited breath, Mike, and we will.
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: I will be sending you a text later on this
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: afternoon just to check in to see that we're waiting
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: to welcome you into the Halloween costume carousel that Emily
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: will be putting together over the weekend.
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: Ha Resound have Asu Cara cell Caracell.
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: Week in bakeoff, we had a great time on our
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: Halloween trick or treat Maddie was read from Descendants, and
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: we actually did not trick or treat in our neighborhood
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: for the first time. We've trick or treated here for
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: the last three years since we've lived here, and just
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: absolutely love it.
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  Speaker 3: But as it turns, not enough but just not enough,
• 1:55
  Speaker 3: just not enough, just.
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  Speaker 2: Never never enough. But yeah, she has like a you know,
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: a group of kids that she wanted to go trigger
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: treating with. Then we wanted to go to try that
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  Speaker 2: in another neighborhood, so that's what we did. It was
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  Speaker 2: so fun. Here is Maddie as read from Descendants, and
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: she's got.
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  Speaker 3: A great that's a great costume.
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: Yes the wig is yes, level right.
• 2:19
  Speaker 3: Great makeup? What was the big costume? Like, were there
• 2:23
  Speaker 3: multiple of something?
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me think.
• 2:27
  Speaker 3: So it's just a sea of Elsa's I did. I
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: think for kindergarten and maybe even first grade, and then
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: after that everybody starts to like take in different yeah,
• 2:39
  Speaker 3: ie Leys.
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: There were yeah, a lot of Taylor Swifts. I saw
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: some Mermaids. I saw Wednesday. Wednesday was a big one.
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  Speaker 3: Oh nice, Yeah, I saw a lot of Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and it's such a great family costume, you know,
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: because the parents can be the two and oh god,
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: there was the cutest little girl. She was probably about
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: two and a half. Maybe that was Wednesday trick or
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: treating and I mean with the wig and everything, and
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: she was just like toddling along. I almost died, like
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: that's what it's all about. All right, Well, this is great.
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: I cannot believe that it is actually the finale of
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: Orange County. So welcome in.
• 3:17
  Speaker 4: No, welcome in?
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: And can I say something? Yeah you do this? Yeah, darlings.
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: Does one of you work for the New York Times Connections?
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: Oh right, because yesterday if you play Connections, I'm not
• 3:30
  Speaker 3: spoiling today Friday. But on Thursday. I think we have
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: an Amy Phillips fan over there because there was you know,
• 3:39
  Speaker 3: on the Connections there's a grid of things that you
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: need to figure out how it connects. And two of
• 3:44
  Speaker 3: the items one was Flutter and the other was Darling.
• 3:49
  Speaker 3: I about lost my damn mind.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 3:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I know you're out there.
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so thank you for the shout out, Thank you
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: for the shout out. We see you, yeah, we see you,
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: and thank you for seeing us.
• 4:02
  Speaker 3: I mean to go like.
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: It is really the evolution of my radio podcast Journey
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: encapsulated in a New York Times game. I'm just so honored.
• 4:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they did it for you, and I know
• 4:17
  Speaker 3: that they did and there's no denying it.
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna post it today. We should post it on
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  Speaker 2: the drama Darling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it will treat it as a costume
• 4:27
  Speaker 3: when the Connection's dressed up as Amy Phillips. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: The last thing I will say also about Halloween is
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: that I didn't watch the whole watch What Happens Live
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: episode last night, the Halloween episode, but I want to
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: mention that Povit dressed as Dory and that was really
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: nice of him. He was on the show dressed as
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: Dory along with the other contestants.
• 4:51
  Speaker 3: That's hilarious. I know, he's so funny.
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  Speaker 5: Good for him, right, yeah, yes, for sure, Oka, Right,
• 4:59
  Speaker 5: let's get it.
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, Orange County, duh. Wow, this really took a turn,
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: And honestly, we were all so kind of like jazzed
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: up about knowing that they shut down like the end
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: of the season at Jen's engagement party. Then we got
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: news of Ryan's scandal and that they picked up cameras
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: that's what we heard, and sure enough they did, and
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: they gave us three and a half minutes, which is fine,
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: but I just I expected it to be another episode
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: at least or something like that.
• 5:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally did. I thought like, yeah, don't. I
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: was kind of like, don't worry, this isn't the last one.
• 5:36
  Speaker 3: I know what's coming. And then I was like, oh shit,
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: Well I.
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: Saw Tamera's post. She was like sixth and finale tonight,
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: and I was like what. Honestly, you guys, I just
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: it sneaks up on me. I'm really bad about this.
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: I'm really bad about, you know, having a handle on
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: when a show begins. I mean obviously when they promote it,
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: I know, but when a show is coming to an end,
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: how many episodes we're getting, and like, it just sneaks
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: up on me because I'm so in it, I'm in
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: the moment, and it's just disappointing. Orange County flew by
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: this season. I remember putting it on my calendar and
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: being like, oh, this is going to take us all
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: the way into November, which it will because the now
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: we're going to have probably three reunions. But still it's crazy.
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: I know, especially when I think about, like, Wow, Dubai
• 6:20
  Speaker 3: this past season lasted four years.
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it was like a long summer and Dubai
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: was right along with us Drip. Yeah yeah, but it
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: just goes to show that means you're having a good
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: season if it's flying by. Yeah.
• 6:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel that way. I feel like Utah
• 6:42
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City. I always call it Utah, but I
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: do feel like Salt Lake City is operating at the
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: same speed and it's going too fast.
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: It is it always happens like that. I feel like
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: some of these incredible faster running shows should be during
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: the summer.
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, give us one, Yeah.
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: Just one, Like you got to replace Dubai with something else,
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: and don't put in New York there, you know, like.
• 7:11
  Speaker 3: True balances out.
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: You can have like a sleeper season like a Dubai
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: or a New York and couple it up with like
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: an Orange County, a Salt Lake City or a Beverly
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: Hills so that they're not all crossing over each other.
• 7:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, great point. Or even like give us the valley
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: in the summer, like give us two bangers and a
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: slow because it makes the slow better.
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, because it's more of like a Okay, different pace.
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: I need y respite.
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: It's probably why I am enjoying New York this season,
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: because it's in between the Salt Lake and OC.
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not chaotic at all. If it was just
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: running alone, we'd be so passed. Yeah, Tamera saw my
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: post and was like, I'm dying. This is so funny,
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: like assume yesterday.
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: That's great. I like that she has a good sense
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: of humor. Yeah for sure. Yeah.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: So for the third time, we welcome you into Worn
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: County recap. But duh, Jen, you know, pops into the
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: beginning of this episode and it's just like I'm engaged
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: to a felon, you know. And then we see this
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: huge emerald cut diamond ring certainly synthetic, certainly you know
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: not Look what am I do?
• 8:32
  Speaker 3: You know where I stand? You know where I stand
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: on the synthetic diamond? Yeah? What it's good?
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: No, I know, I know, I agree.
• 8:37
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, you know, it's not real. Okay,
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: it's real. It's real. It's totally real, allegedly.
• 8:46
  Speaker 3: But I love that. Shannon's like, you won, you proved
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: everybody wrong.
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're so right. That is so funny,
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: and then the whole episode ends with like her in tears,
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: like I feel like I've fucked up my whole life.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: That is so funny, but like also.
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: Like it's so old school for Shannon to be like,
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: this is the finish line engagement.
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh man.
• 9:15
  Speaker 3: Nothing else matters his record, his.
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: Lies, And would she say the same thing about that
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: when Alexis gets engaged, you prove them wrong. He must
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: be a good man. You know, you're so right.
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't even think about that.
• 9:30
  Speaker 5: Of course, And they're what, wait, what he were ax throwing? Yeah,
• 9:37
  Speaker 5: but it's uh, whoop it up or something. I was like,
• 9:41
  Speaker 5: is this Vicky's X club because it's called like like
• 9:45
  Speaker 5: an axe whooping or something. They're like, oh wow, But
• 9:48
  Speaker 5: I was like, I I see you.
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: Name a business whoop in oc? I know you know Vicky,
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: you know, and you know what you do?
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: Why she didn't show we know what you're doing.
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: Then we go over to Tarra's house with Alexus, and god,
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: I really hate a bad joke, I really do. How
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: she comes in and she's just like Clorox wipes, and
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: then Tarma's like, I don't get it. You know, She's
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: like for all the ship that we have to clean up.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, sink that joke to the bottom of
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: the ocean. And that's awesome.
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: So when she's like thinking that she's going to make
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: bring the pudding a thing, I feel like, bring the pudding,
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: Bring the pudding, like gross.
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: The shot, the camera shot was a long shot. They
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: were like slowly moving away there, like she thinks she's
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: got something here.
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: We've allreat copy, we're gonna bring them, We're bringing the pudding.
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: We got it, we're packing up.
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: We're leaving, and you're bringing the pudding.
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: Whatever did you see in that flashback too, when they're
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: walking someplace and Alexis is dressed like my little pony.
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: She's got like a sash and white boots and whatever,
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: and then like she's fully leading with her ponytail when
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: she talks. It's like a high pony and she's like
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: leading with it when she talks, like calm down, cott
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: in Candy.
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: Just to put some respect on the my little pony, uh,
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: you know, franchise. You know, I still am laughing at
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: the joke, you know, but I also never want to
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: hear those two words her name. And because I'm so
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: I love the MLP. I'm all about it.
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: But you're, by god, you are you love the Bronies.
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: I don't do Bronie's. I can't do the Bronies.
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe Johnny J is a Bronie. He's hanging out
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: if he's if he's hanging out the Lexus Johnny J.
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: Johnny J. Loves my little Pony, and that's our sex game.
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: I have to say it quietly because Maddie's home today.
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: She made Mammy, I heard you talking about my little pony.
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, what's a sex game?
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: Oh God, and Lord Helmet, so yeah, I did see that,
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: and you are dead on right. And then we get
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: like this nasty little confessional which is Johnny J and Alexis,
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: and he's like, I have never been more sure of
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: anything in my life. We will be together forever until
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: the end of time. I have died, I'm already dead,
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: and I am a vampire, and she's gonna be with
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: me for the next eight hundred years.
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: Got him saying the same thing as to Shannon. Yes, yeah, like,
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: do you not understand that you've been filmed saying this
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: and we've all seen it and they don't delete it,
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: and we don't forget it, and now you're gonna just
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: we're going to have a montage of you saying that
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: by the time you start dating Joe, we're going to
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: have a montage.
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, ma'am Joe Dela Rosa, Welcome, Welcome in, Joe
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: de la Rosa, Welcome in, Welcome back, welcome in. Just wow,
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: I yeah, I love that.
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: Like I know I'm skipping ahead, but everybody's so happy
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: to see Joe.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was nice.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: Like Vicky like it was like it was cool.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: It was very cool. Yeah, to find out that she
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: actually has a connection to the man that's facing up
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: to eighteen years in prison.
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: Matt Matt Royer Broni Bronie. Matt Bronie allegedly.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: That she like ran in to him I guess at
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: this party and was like, oh, yeah, we know each other.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: And then I don't think that Ryan will remember me.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: And then seeing Ryan again and knowing that Joe worked
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: for Ryan all those years ago, Yeah, this is.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: Like next twenty years ago.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, next level oc when she was probably either
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: all had just finished working at that place with him
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: because Slade had her be a housewife, right, she was
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: gonna she was just home alone in the house.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: That is right. So what's been the last job she
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: had right before Housewives? Yeah? Yeah, I mean yeah, because
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: it would have been two thousand and four, so maybe
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: she did one other.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: Job, maybe one another Yeah, a maid, remember she was
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: the maid was Slade at home? So gross, Like I
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: can't go back and watch that, ecciuse me? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: So Alexis is gonna throw jen a an engagement party
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: with the Bridesmaid's theme, and Tamra says that.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Dorky bridesmaid dresses?
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Do you want to hear the theme?
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: Everybody's gonna dress in the theme except for me because
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: I don't even know my own I don't even understand
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: my own theme.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the and I gotta say I was like, oh,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: that is kind of a fun theme.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I loved it.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: I loved it.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, it would be original. It would have been
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: way more original if Bridesmaids hadn't been a movie. Like
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: if you've done but you're just copying Bridesmaids essentially in
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: a way. I mean I feel like whatever, yeah, but
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: it's fine, it's still fine. It's still fine. But like,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: here we are, and if nothing else proves to anyone
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: else that, not that there's anybody on team Alexis, but
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: if you are her showing up to her own party
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: with her own theme and not dressing in the theme
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: and not realizing that she's in the theme should tell
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: you everything you know to know about Alexis. She doesn't
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: get it, she doesn't understand, and she never will.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like insulting to the viewer that she
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: thought that this was tacky, because I was, like, I
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: would wear that currently.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Like what do you understand her thinking?
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't get it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: She knows what a tacky bridesmaid's dress is and yet
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: she chose not to wear it. Yeah, okay, that was
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: a style back like it could have been like a
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: one shoulder. I get it that that was probably the
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: most conservative version of what could have been back then,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: but it is nowhere near the theme of what you
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: are explaining to people. Yeah, it's making me irate right now.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, only because it's I mean I think Emily
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: said it or somebody said it. But it is like
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: she like she's so bright, like Tackie BRIT's made other times,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: and this is like inverted, like she kind of dressed
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: like she dressed appropriately like for an event to.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: This funny, but like her normal look is very like
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: out there two thousand and five.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, majesty pony. And now I think like this, I
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: don't know. I was like i'd wear that. I'd wear
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: that to a Christmas party this year, you know what
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I mean. I was invited anyway.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe you'll be welcomed, inn you you never know
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: what you do is going to have hurdles.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Now we have like a kind of a nice montage
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: wrapping up all the kids of the for the most part,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: all the kids of the Orange County Ladies. Yes, that
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: whose stories we've been following all season. So it's like, yes,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Jen and her Son they're cool. He's thinking about the military,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: you know, he's in. He doesn't want to go to
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: like do regular things in life, like the regular path.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: She's fine with that. And then you go to Heather
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and her son and it's like college, real estate license sold,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: your first home, going abroad. It's like so unattainable for
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: regular people. This is so funny.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: And Heather's listing it off and I'm like, we get it, Yeah,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: we get it, we get you get it. We welcome
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: out you've done.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Great, so and then it was nice to hear him
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: say you've given me such an amazing life. I will
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: say that that was really sweet. And he seems very grounded.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: He seems like a good kid. He doesn't seem arrogant,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: and he's working hard, so I don't want to take
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: that away from him. And it's very impressive. It's just
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the way that it's presented to us. And that's what
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: we're saying.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Right, because it feels presentational, right, literally being presented right. Yeah,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I feel that he when he was like, thank you
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: for doing this, I was like, at least he gets it,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: and he's not like I did all this myself, you
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, like and yeah, I did it
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: all myself, or like it is really good that they've
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: raised kids that appreciate that they've worked. Heather and Terry
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: worked very hard and now they respect that. And yeah, yeah,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: are following him that path I did. I I did appreciate.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: That absolutely, So yeah, hats off to him. And then
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Tamar and Sophia and she's got her music, and then
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Katie and Callie and she has her name change that
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: arrived officially, which was really sweet.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: So I want to break this down, like the next
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: thing I want to talk about before we get to
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: the engagement party and all that I just want to discuss. Actually,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I think some of us does happen at the engagement party.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I apologize. I want to talk about Callie and Emily's
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: boys and that whole scene right there, and like discussing
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: get that out of the way before we do the rest,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: because it seems very tricky in this situation to have
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: the kids involved and have this storyline of who's telling
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the truth, and I find it very uncomfortable to watch
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: because I don't want to pick a side with the kids.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: However, I do have an opinion and I'm going to
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: share it, and that is this when Heather approaches Katie
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: at the party and is like, my boys are nine,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: they have no idea who Heather is. Okay, I'm not
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure about that, Okay, so agree, all right.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: It's it's just that, like she's been on this show
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: for a long time, There's there's probably no way that
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: her kids have not heard the name Heather before in
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: whatever context. But I will say that I think that
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Emily and Shane clearly are doing a very they're making
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: a specific choice to make sure that they're not involved
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to hear anything on purpose, that they don't do anything
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that exposes them to the drama that's going on deliberately.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Accidents happen though, where you might be talking about something
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and they may have heard something and Emily's just not
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: aware of that. So that's where I'm going to give
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: it to. There's a possibility that the boy may have
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: said something, but there's no way for us to ever know.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And on the flip side, I don't think nine year
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: old boys are going to lie about that. I think
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: that they're going to be more apt to tell the
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: truth over a twenty year old And that's where I'm
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: going to land. Also, seeing how messy Katie is with
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: this and how how flippant she is to discuss these
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: things in front of her kids and her young child
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: when he says is Heather being a jerk again for
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the millionth time, it's very clear to me that it's
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Katie that seems like the problem here, and therefore Callie
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: is probably the one that led the kids down that path,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And that's where I'm landing.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: So, Okay, I'm going to agree with everything till the end.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, let's not pretend that these kids live
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: in a bubble without the Internet and outside sources like.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Nine year olds though that nine year olds.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Mine, Yeah, like my my YouTube or something like. I
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: bet you that they've seen stuff on there.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: No way, no way.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: If you have a mom or dad was on a
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: show and like what is being highlighted is them yelling
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: or fighting, I would definitely like google myself or google them.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: No, like even it is not allowed on Google. They're
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: probably not even allowed on Google. You know. This is
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the thing like I get when they're older, yes, nine
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: years old, absolutely not not with seeing how they parent.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I'm this is my take.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they, but they have buddies that
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: are I would think that they have seen something through
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: an outside source. That's where I land on.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: That, Okay, I I well, I respectfully disagree.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Or heard it from an outside source.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: If any If they heard it anywhere, it would be
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: in their own home. That's where I think.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Not at school.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I mean they think about it, they lives. They don't
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: talk about that stuff at school, like, not at that age.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: If you're protecting your kids the way, yeah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: They're not going in hard, like some little kid isn't
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: breaking down the episode.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: But I guarantee, but if they do, I want to
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: hear that.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guarantee you they're going to come in and
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: be like we heard that Heather wasn't nice. We heard
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: that like your mom got in a fight on the
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: show with a lady named Heather or something like that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I can see that, Okay, well, okay, agree to disagree. Well,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: when it comes to Katie and how she says, well,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: we were giggling about it. See, I don't have a
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: problem with Katie talking to Kayley about these ladies either.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: She when she says she's old enough, we think this
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: is funny. Like, I don't have a problem with that.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I would be totally talking to Maddy about certain things.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I would have no problem when she's that old. It
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: sucks now that it's being brought to Heather's attention. Of course,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: it's going to be hurtful. But then you see the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: scene of Katie being messy at the dinner table with
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: her young child, and he's saying she's being a jerk again, like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: that's not I don't think Emily's doing that. I think
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Katie's doing that. All right, Well, what do you guys think,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: messi twins or messy twenty year old? And honestly, it
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: could be right there in the middle. And that's why
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I don't like this drama, because I feel bad for
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the kids. That's why I think Katie should have kept
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: it off camera, because Katie did feed the fire and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: when she was like, oh yeah, Tamra, you have to
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: hear this, I mean, I thought that was so stupid of.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Her to do.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, it rides on Katie. Yeah,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: we can agree on that, all right. Well, Heather and
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Katie kind of had it out at that point, and
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Heather's like saying that she's done with her, and Katie's like, well,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I'm done with you because you're always putting your nails
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: in my face and shutting me up. And then Heather's like,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: because you're boring and you lie, and then Katie says,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: you lie and swore on your kids, and then Heather goes,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that's bullshit. How dare yeah you? And then Katie kind
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: of really leans into this same same behavior, same vibe
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: as heathern is like, h well, that's what it is,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna and I'm I don't care. You can
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: say what you say, and then you know, they go
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: their separate ways. But I did find that moment of like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: how dare you is just such a classic term for
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: a housewife to say that I have to give it
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: a little bit of props, And it felt heavy handed.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah what do you mean by heavy handed?
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Too much or the top?
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it felt like this, I'm giving a
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: moment quiet on this set everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, here
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: comes my monologue. Whereas Katie felt authentic to me.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: She seemed like she's getting jiggy with it, you know, Okay,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: but that's fine. I think that's fine for a housewife
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to do, like lean into it. I mean, I don't
• 26:59
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  Speaker 2: All Right, guys, we are back Jen's engagement party. Let's
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: talk about the outfits. Obviously, Alexis gets a zero, doesn't
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: get it? Whose outfit did you like the best?
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Heather?
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I did love Shannon's. I'm
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: gonna go with Shannon because because of the flowers, and like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: did she have a shrug and or does she have
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: like the gloves or did she both? Because that there
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: was a lot of specificity to hers that I loved.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The only they didn't love was the show that
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: she put on in the car because of the dress
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: with Vicky.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: That's like so much it is and that's so Vicky
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: and Shannon, you know, like that's their antics. It's it's
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: just silly.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: But I feel like, wasn't it like a two color
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: a two tone?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, black and white?
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can't remember if that was the shaw
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: or just the top of the dress, but yeah, no,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: she did she had a rap. Yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought she really hit it. And her hair
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: was great. Who okay, Jen looked great. M hm. Tameras
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: was great.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Somebody said it they were like barbies and I
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: thought that was a better name for the theme. Somebody
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: was like, we look like the Barbies and I was
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: like that, yeah, you guys, they kind of did. It
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: looks like a bunch of barbies. Yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, Katies was great. That was really
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: she hit it on the nose. Like the blue with
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: the ruffles. I thought that was pretty perfect, right.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: But also the royal Yeah yeah, I thought that was
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: too commona blue. Yeah it was Ramona blue. But I
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: feel like she I think like it looked like a
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: dress that you could wear. But if you saw nine
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: of those in a wedding, you'd be like, okay, you
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: know what I.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Mean, Oh my god. And you know in the eighties
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: we were like okay.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean I've seen that dress currently, like
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: that kind of a big ruffle cut and everything, so
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: it's like.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not out of date, right, because it's kind
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: of coming back a little bit, right. Yeah. And then
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Gina's was was good. That actually looked kind of cute
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: on her. But the blue gloves were great.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: But the spandex through me like you wouldn't wear span.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: It was like a spandex pant with it. Oh yeah.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Because when she was climbing on that wall, oh, they
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: were tights. They were tights because when she climbed on
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that wall, you could actually see like through the tights
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: you could see her. What.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: The wall climbing was another like okay, we're Vicky and Shannon,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: We're going to do some physical hijinks here. Okay, we
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: get it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: But they weren't doing the Shannon puts on that rat
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: rare vois. Yeah, and Emily and Gina were like genuinely laughing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I thought it was really funny for Emily to wear
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: her own wedding dress. Yeah, and have well she was like,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: oh my god, what Shane was saying about the flowers.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I thought was hilarious. It's just like our marriage dried
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: up colorless, like lifeless, I guess sexually really funny.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, and I got it. Hats off to
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Emily to be like Shane, I don't give a shit
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: how tall you are. I'm wearing heels when I went
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: away her heels.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not pulling a me out. And and Shannon's like, oh,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: wearing white to a wedding is like a no. So
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: she was wearing white. I thought it was great. Everyone
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: looks yeah, really good, super fun.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Zephyr alexis good. But I didn't understand it.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: We'll never understand her. Katie and Heather snub each other equally.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I mean that's on both of them. They're both like
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: walking away going like I can't believe that bit snub.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, you both walked by each other, so whatever. Yeah,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Jen's mom is there, which was interesting to see.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Well, we've seen her her mom and dad crying in
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: the crying in the kitchen of them.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: So do they live in OC or they I feel
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: like they live somewhere else.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: They do live. I think that they live in Utah,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: right or.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Wherever she was Yeah, yeah, Minnesota or something.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know. Yeah, but they came in for
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: the engagement party.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: But that was a big deal. Well the dad didn't,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: but she did know the dad was there. Oh he was.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they did the picture together.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Oh Oopsie's sorry. And then Tarma's like, I'm not drinking
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: right now because I'm trying to be better than Shannon,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and I don't like the way that I cheated people.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: It's like and it's the season finale, and I just
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: guess because I really been like, you know, hitting low.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna stop drinking. And then she apologizes
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: to Gina for I don't even know what I was,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: like whatever, and you guys have your problems, but they kind.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Of wait, Gina or Jen Tarma, well that's later.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: But tamraologized China for something, and I'm like, I'm not
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: really invested. I don't care.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't even clock it, Like I know it's seen
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: and I forgot that that even happened, right, I'm like
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I'm with you.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Not really not necessary, not necessary. So all right, So
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Tama and Jen talk and Tamra is like saying that
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Shannon brought all this stuff up about the text because
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: she wants to get in between us, and I apologie,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: she apologized for going low and that she wanted to
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: show her the other text messages. And Jen ultimately is like,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know where I am with you and I'm
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: not ready. And then Tamra was like, okay, bye.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Good because I realized that the thing that drove me
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: crazy that Tama was doing to Jen is that weird,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: like laughing at her in the when Jen is fired up,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and Tamra's.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Like ha ha hah, like yeah, it was weird.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like, well, Tamara, if you had all
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: this and you thought you were right, why did you
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: act like that? Just give her the information right then,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: like I don't understand, what's the big deal. Show her
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: the text then, instead of being I'm like ha ha,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: look at you you're mad? Yeah, oh my.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: God, yeah, instead of you know, being condescending towards her
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: about like oh you're you know, you're really a housewife,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: look at you slow?
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if she really did care about their friendship, she'd
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: be like, Okay, hold on, hold on, you know, let
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: me prove to you right now.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: And she did not do that. It just was more
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: vindictive back and it's she is quite the housewife that one,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: you know, meaning Tamora.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: I wonder if she will now the play that she'll
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: have now at the reunion is if it comes up
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: like the timing of that or why didn't you just
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: do that, she'll be like, I was trying to protect Shannon, like, oh,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And I think that was
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: not what she was trying to do. But given the
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: season fallout on Tamra this year by us the viewers,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: She's going to come into that reunion hard like no,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: you don't understand. I've had Shannon's back, I you know,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: like that's going to be her move.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: There's got to be some excuse that she uses that
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do with her being incredibly big, condescending
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: and rude to her. Yeah, yeah, because she could have
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: cleaned the mess up pretty quickly and she didn't. She
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: chose not to, which is a weird move. But sometimes
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: you think that Tamra does those types of things mm
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: hm for a better show.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I agree, I but what she was missing was how
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: much she was going to be the villain this season
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: in that moment, and I think either way, it would
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: have been compelling to just show it then instead of
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: holding it back, like just show it then. Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Also, it was like twenty eighteen, and so part of me,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I'm actually I'm wondering if Tama was going to be like,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know what you were talking about, and
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: so you were accusing me of something that I was like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: this is completely wrong. I don't know what you're talking about.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: So of course I responded that way because it's just
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: made up bullshit. So I wonder if she will take
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: that lane of like ignorance, you know, pleading ignorance, because
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: she doesn't even remember that this was coming up right
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: now about the twenty eighteen text. But so when Jen,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: you know Jen's confessional, she says, you know, when when
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Shannon apologizes to me, I believe her, when Tara does,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I don't. And I thought that was interesting because I
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: really do feel like Shannon will have to answer to
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the rest of that text feed, you know, between she
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: and Tamra when they're talking about Ryan. She's going to
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: have to answer to that at something.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: And Jen's wrong. Yeah, it's not that she believes Shannon,
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: because Shannon's working on herself. It's really that Tama has
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: had these come to Jesus moments with Jen so many
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: times that how she's cried wolf on these apologies. So meanwhile,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Shannon's maybe had a one on one I'm sorry to
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Jen once twice, but tam If I was Jen, I'd
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: be like, here comes Tamra on the apology tour with
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: me again, Like that's really.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: What r exactly, that's exactly because it's like, yeah, yeah,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: rage and regret, rage and regret. So yeah, it's that
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: cycle that she's not thrilled about. They take their group
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: picture and then someone's like, it's so weird, probably Emily.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: It's so weird that you two like shat and tamoraw,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: you guys haven't even talked this whole time, you'd be
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: the same roup. And then Shannon's like, I'm creating boundaries
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: and these are healthy boundaries. And that's why I left
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: London and because you blasted me this one. You for
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: four days and I was excited for this trip and
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: then you and when I say I'm done I'm done,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna go walk off and talk to
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: any about how, talk to anybody about how I'm being
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: done with it and then come back in. I'm not
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: gonna do that, Matt. I'm done. So what did you
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: think about this Matt conversation? This was so unexpected and weird.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I think Shannon needs to get her hearing checked. And
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: that's not a joke. I think she's been standing next
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: to Vicky screaming whoop it up for far too many years.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Because Matt was saying nice things he I watched. I
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: went back and watched it again because I was like, wait,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: did I miss something? Because he's like, I think it
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: might be he says, maybe it's time to walk away
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: because I care about you and you've been kind to me.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: And she's like what yeah, And she's like, I resent
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: you with something along the lines of like and I
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: don't appreciate you saying that because I don't know you
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: that well. And I was like, whoa, what is happening?
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: And it was almost as though she didn't want to
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: fight with anybody outside. So she's like, look at this
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: innocent bystander and it does not you know, the thing
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: that bothers me. The most about it is that I
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: know Johnny Jay and Alexis are sitting there watching that
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: scene and being like, see, yeah, this is her, and
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, man, she just didn't hear him.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: It was a breakdown of communication. So I think like
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: at the beginning, he was being very kind, like you said,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: and he was like, yeah, I mean I care about you,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: and yeah, maybe it is time to walk away, and
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: then she said something else and I think he got
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: annoyed like anybody would and called her out on the
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: bullshit of why are you just talking about leaving right
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: in front of me instead of just leaving? And that's
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: a very honest and blunt thing to say to somebody,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: And most people don't say that, they hold back for
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: the sake of etiquette, but he didn't, and that's hard
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: to land on someone else's ears. Yeah, I think that
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: it just it turned when he said, you're standing in
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: front of me melting down when and you said that
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: you were gonna leave, why don't you just leave? And
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: you know, when someone's upset, that just is something that
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: it's like someone saying, stop talking, stop feeling what you're feeling.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: You know, it just he's calling it like it is,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: and that's where things like shifted and she heard it,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: she took it in a way that was offensive and
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: then overreact And I am.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Very sensitive and if I'm heated for someone to tell
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: me to chill out, and I get that vibe. I
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: just thought, if I'm him and I'm actually being very
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's like, you've been so kind to me.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, know that. I know she should have given him
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt, but I think he was
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: just like, what the fuck are you doing? Like he's
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: doing what anybody would want to say to somebody in
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: that situation, including you and me both, which is like
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: you're doing everything but leaving when you're talking about how
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: you're done, So why don't you just leave?
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah? And I also don't know if she was talking
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: about and I think he also was confused, are you
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: leaving the show?
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: This party?
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I was wondering that too, Emily if he was like,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: maybe you should be done with this show, and so
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: my wife Katie can okay, but then Tama ends up
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: leaving and then yeah, which is fine, so then Shannon
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: can come back to the show, and that again after
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: saying like in the past, I've always said I'm done,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: and then I'm not done, and then I stay and
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: then i'm and in this time, I'm done. And it
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: was just like the irony of it with her having
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: to say that shows that she's not actually done, that
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: she still doesn't mean it, you know, which is elo
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: welling to me.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Do you think that I mean again, Tama, this is
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: your this is your game plan for the reunion. Tell
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: tell her, tell us that you left the party so
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Shannon could get comfortable, had Shannon to have more screen time.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: And right, that's why you left. That's your game plan.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Get in there, kid. Yeah, bullshit us with that.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bullshit us with that. And then then we have
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: the three weeks later the show ends, we get everyone's
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: little subtitles and stuff.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Oh I didn't love the Instagram thing because it was
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: hard to read.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: It was so hard to read. And when you pause
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: on Peacock, then you get the little bar at the
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: bottom the pops up and how can we fucking get
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: how do you?
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to wait it out, give it like
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: fifteen seconds, But who's got the time?
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: No? No, yeah, yeah, that's the only way. But I mean,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: pause and get rid of it. That's what I'm talking about.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: That's what's frustrating me, because then you have to keep
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: going back, yeah, further than you wanted to in order
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: to play it so that it does go away. Oh yeah,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: And the song that was under it, I've heard it
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: before used on Housewives, I think at the end of seasons.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. It always reminds me of that crazy Town
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Butterfly song, Don't I'm a Butterfly sugar Baby that.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Is like, oh yeah, it's.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Every time it starts, I'm like, here we go crazy Town.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Oh that's really funny. I never put those two together.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm DJ James.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a music savant. You're kind of like Tamra's daughter.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: So so then we get the headlines of sixteen million.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: No wrong, you are wrong, Amy Phillips.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: MLV gambling scheme, and then we have like such a
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: swipe through of the scene of Jen and Ryan that
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I thought it was like a trailer for what was
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: to come, but it was and it was the actual scene.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: It was like, I'm not a part of this is
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: booky business. I believe everything is in the Lord's plan
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: and everything is working for us, and I just puke
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: in my mouth because it's very clear to me now,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: which is a huge, huge, like revel revelation to all
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: of us to have seen Matt Bronie on at this
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: party saying the things that he said, which is that
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: he is not going to throw his friends under the bus,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: and he's not he's like not gonna put him, you know,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: and he pled guilty. He Ryan has never been charged
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: with any wrongdoing and received full use of immunity. And
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: the fact that this Matt guy is just taking it
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: for everybody, and I believe that, and I believe that's
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: exactly what happens. He's taking it for Ryan Boom like done.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: That's a good Bronie.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: That's a good Bronie.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I mean wow, So that's why he can like what
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: do you you know what else? What other explanation is there?
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Do you allegedly you gain immunity and so allegedly, like
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I wonder how Ryan gained immunity and allegedly how Matthew
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Boyer has not. So I don't know if allegedly Ryan
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: may have turned on Matthew Boyer when it counted allegedly.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's also something.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, then allegedly that's all.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: And then we have like you know, Tamra's like, oh
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: my god, it's like, let's gotta lunch and out my
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: FBI hat. And then she said, Mike, when she says
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: my gut is always right in her confessional, it sounded
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: like she said, my God is as like my gut
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: is always My God is always right. And then Gina's
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: like she got so she's got to be blinded by love.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: No one is this dum and then Emily is just
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: like if she chooses to get married, she's the dumbas
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: they're just like.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: God. I also like, well, I don't know how much
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Ryan Actus told her because he didn't want to.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: He didn't tell her anything, of course not No, I
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: agree with you. Yeah, she doesn't know anything.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: And it's so I think when she's sitting there like
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I thought I would know everything, I don't know anything.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: I'm also like, FBI, you paying attention, like I do
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: think there's there's a I do think that she's not stupid.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think Ryan is stupid. I think that she's
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: being told one story and luckily that's what she believes
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: because had she leaned in and found further detail and
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Ryan did. I'm not look at me. I'm defending this relationship.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just glad that she doesn't know more than she did.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, of course she doesn't know. And I don't think
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: that they're saying that she's stupid because she didn't know.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: It's saying she's stupid now if she continues to go
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: through at this wedding, because where there is smoke, there
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: is fire. Oh yeah, and she knows this. You can
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: tell she knows this when she goes to Katie's house
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: with Gina and Jen, I mean Katie's house and she's
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: there with Gina and she was like, I just left
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: my house. I was so confused. I was so upset.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I don't want to think. And Gina's like, well, I
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: can tell you you're in an unhealthy religion, jip. And
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: then Jen's like, but what part of him is not
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: good for me? And it's like this is really tough
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: because Gina says to her plainly, everything that's happened right now,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: like what you're seeing with the law, no matter what
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: he's telling you, this is what it is. And then
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Gina is warning her, you should be concerned for yourself
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: and your kids. You're in the line of fire, like
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: if something's not coming for you now, it will in
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: the future. Get the fuck out. And the fact that
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: she is willing to continue to sail down this stream
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: is that is stupid to me, especially when she's got
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: a lot on the line with starting her life over
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: and has has children in this situation and now she's
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: crying about how she fucked up everything. It's like, you
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: didn't fuck up everything, Like you know you could fuck
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: up everything right now if you make a bad choice
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: to stay with him, and that's what you're doing, and
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: then now we can't have your back on this. It
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: was sad to hear when she said I was in
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: a marriage for twenty three years and couldn't have a
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: conversation with him in our own home and then comparing
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: it to like Ryan being her best friend who she
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't know, because.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, you're still not having a
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: conversation in your own home. You're still not You're just
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: having a bullshit cloud around you at all times. It's
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: the same thing.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's exchanging one unhealthy thing for another. And I
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: understand that some of the aspects of your relationship with
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Ryan are really, really great, but there is another side
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: to where he has allegedly, in my opinion, not only
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: in this case but others in the past, he has
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: like another life. He's got like a double life. He's
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: he's he's hiding a lot of stuff from her, and
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: she thinks that everything's hunky dory on the outside because
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: of the way he treats her, and that's how he
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: keeps it at Bay.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And this is of course our fan fiction that
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: we're writing about Ryan. None of what we're saying is
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: true in case any you know.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Allegedly allegedly it's our lawyers.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so uh yeah, And I feel bad because I
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: don't think gen C's away out financially.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: I really feel like that she loves Ryan, but she
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: loves the safety, the idea of it. And that's the thing.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: It's like, you are not safe. You need to get
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: out before your name gets wrapped in this legally as
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: a marriage.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh my god, that ring You've done it. And
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: then last, let's just talk about Gena and Travis. It's
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: making so much more sense now, yeah to me, Yeah,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: we really needed the long narrative on this.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know why at the beginning we weren't
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: getting it, and by the end of the season, Gina's like,
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: fuck it. You know what it's this X, it's the
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: ex wife. Yeah, And I'm surprised we haven't been hearing
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: more from the ex wife in like the news in
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: the world, like her being like no, no, no, no, no no.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: They probably have a restraining order or like something against her.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: You know, I bet there's a lot of legal stuff
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: going on there. Yeah, but I'm really really curious, Like
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I want to know the dark, deep stuff. I really
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: want to know what it is that she's doing. Why
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: this pushed Gina out, And I understand why she left.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Now you Travis saying I don't think this was the
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: best decision, and you pull away when there's adversity, And
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, fuck you, Travis. If this is so bad,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: she has to protect her kids, Like, I'm surprised that
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: you guys are even trying to work it out. You know,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: I'm shocked they're still together.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Shocked. Yeah, I agree.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: The fact that they're going to do couples therapy is great,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Like the fact that they weren't even in it until
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: this point is amazing. But maybe that could I don't
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: know if that could help but what is the top
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: that aggressive behavior that's happening with this woman.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: I yeah, I don't know, but like Travis putting it
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: on Gina that she's withdrawing basically and that's sabotaging, Yeah,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: that she needs to work through. I'm like, this is
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: so fucked Travis. I usually like I am a big
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: fan of but I was like, oh no, dude, Yeah,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: how do you not get this?
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I cannot believe they're still together? I cannot believe it. Yeah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: that's a lot to overcome.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully in counseling, like he'll get it better, and
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: maybe he will also gain some tools to deal with
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: the X if that's.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Right, right, That's what I'm hoping too, hopefully.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's not possible. I
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: don't know, but yeah, I mean I still I don't
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: I want to be clear, I am not rooting for
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: gen and Ryan, even though I'm like, I see how
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: the strings are being pulled and protecting Jen. I do
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: not want that relationship. But you know, I do think
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Gena and Travis can figure it out.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I think they could possibly. Yeah, yeah, and maybe the
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: ex will at some point, you know, I don't know,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: relent because they've been together for so long and she
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: will be tired. Yeah, you know, I don't know. Yeah, Well,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: is there anything else you want to discuss about Orange
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: County A the finale?
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: I would like to have just a maybe a special
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: or a follow up episode, just to see how everybody
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: knows and loves Joe like she knows everybody in OC.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Everyone?
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: That is wild?
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: And what does she fail about Ryan?
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, get her on a Vice show. I want
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: to see that Vice show. I don't need to hear
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: about Vicky being sad about reality TV. I want to see.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I want to I want Joe to give us an
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: expos on.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Ryan, Yeah, and Matt because she knows yes of them?
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Yes and Matt.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: All right, great, great finale, great season, looking forward to
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: the reunion. It looks like Emily is really going to
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: go in hard on Alexis, and I think she appreciate that. Yeah,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: that'll be fun.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: I will appreciate that.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Welcome in Emily, you and her and yeah, so Deanna
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: and I are going to do the bat the Golden
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Bachelorette recap on Sunday, you guys, because this week was
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: just like way way too crazy with the Halloween and
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: all this stuff, So that episode will come out on Sunday.
• 58:58
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• 59:01
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• 59:04
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• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Drama Darling Show that's on Instagram. That's really the best
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: place you can just DM us.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna post those on Sunday, I think.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really fun, So thanks for sending them already,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: and have a great weekend. This was real fun. Bye
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: m bye Bye.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Bye Drama Darling. Drama, Darling, Drama, Darling