Latest / Pediatrics Now: Cases Updates and Discussions for the Busy Pediatric Practitioner / Goat Milk Formula: New U.S. Approval — What Pediatricians Need to Know
Transcript
- 0:00I'm Holly Wehmint, and this is Pediatrics Now, cases, updates,
- 0:04and discussions for the busy pediatric practitioner.
- 0:07Click on the link in this podcast for free credit that may include CME,
- 0:12MOC, or ethics credit, depending on our topic or podcast.
- 0:16Pediatrics Now is brought to you by the Department of Pediatrics at UT Health
- 0:20San Antonio and University Health's new Women's and Children's Hospital.
- 0:26Goat milk infant formula is now fda
- 0:29approved and joining me here in the podcast studio is
- 0:33dr cynthia blanco her expertise is
- 0:36in neonatal nutrition where she serves as director of neonatal nutrition at
- 0:41university health's new women's and children's hospital she's led multiple randomized
- 0:45controlled trials over the last 20 years and is a national expert as she has
- 0:51served on multiple national and international committees for infants' nutrition,
- 0:56including the American Academy of Pediatrics.
- 0:59Dr. Blanco, thank you so much for being back on Pediatrics Now.
- 1:04Thank you for inviting me. So this is a really hot topic.
- 1:09For level setting, what changed in 2023 to 2024 regarding goat milk based infant formula in the U.S.
- 1:17And what does meat's FDA requirements actually mean in practice when we're talking
- 1:23about nutrient composition, iron, and labeling?
- 1:27Well, after the national shortages that we had, the FDA moved to approve various
- 1:33infant formulas, one of those including the goat's milk based infant formulas.
- 1:39And what it means is that there is additional choices that parents can choose
- 1:45from, and the pediatrician needs to be informed of what are the pros,
- 1:49the cons, or if it's equally effective and safe as other products.
- 1:56Cynthia, what are the pros and cons?
- 2:00There are basic differences between goat's milk and cow's milk, for example.
- 2:06The basic differences are sometimes in the proteins, for example.
- 2:13The content of protein in raw milk versus cow's milk, for example,
- 2:19it's pretty similar, but it's very high.
- 2:22So we should never use raw products, neither from cows or goats,
- 2:29to feed our babies because it can really lead to significant renal dysfunction
- 2:36because of the high protein load that this will have.
- 2:39But in the basic, you know, amount of or different amino acids and peptides
- 2:45that they have in the proteins, there's actually species differences.
- 2:49And that is the same when it's compared to human milk.
- 2:53In fact, from like, you know, there's lots of different peptides and only about
- 2:5810 of those peptides are very similar between cow's milk, goat's milk and human milk.
- 3:05Most of the differences in peptides, for example, is the differences that are in the beta casein.
- 3:12And some of the literature that we have heard before is that that beta-casein
- 3:20can have some potential antimicrobial ACE inhibitor,
- 3:24an antioxidant, or immunomodulation.
- 3:28But these peptides are, there's only two of them that were very similar to human
- 3:35milk, and the clinical relevance of these differences between species is really not known.
- 3:41There's been some rodent studies trying to emphasize those differences in between the peptides,
- 3:47but there were no significant differences in this immunomodulation or other
- 3:54immune properties that is taught.
- 3:57So goat milk infant formula is a choice.
- 4:01It's not any better than using traditional formula?
- 4:06Again, I think that, you know, I can probably go through the differences in
- 4:11like the fat and the protein absorption, for example.
- 4:16When, you know, the idea of having goat's milk versus cow's milk and when there
- 4:23were comparisons, a lot of those comparisons were done with whole milk in adults.
- 4:29So because of those comparisons, or they were done also in adult animal models.
- 4:35When you compare it as a whole, there are differences.
- 4:39But once you break them down, once you break the protein down,
- 4:44for example, or once you homogenize it, because that's what is needed in order
- 4:49for you to make an infant formula, then those differences disappear.
- 4:54For example, one of the biggest differences is the goat milk fat globule,
- 4:59right? that it's smaller than cow's milk.
- 5:03And that is part of like what we think that that's why that curd,
- 5:08you know, improves your digestion because the fat globule is smaller.
- 5:12But again, that's only on whole, unpasteurized and unprocessed milk.
- 5:19So once you process the milk to make it into in-front formula,
- 5:23you have to break it down.
- 5:25And once that breakdown occurs, then those differences are gone.
- 5:31So we don't really know if really the digestibility is better once the infant
- 5:37formula is produced or not.
- 5:40And some of the very small studies have not shown any differences in young piglets,
- 5:48which is the only data that we have available.
- 5:51So more to come. Is it something that you're excited about as an expert in neonatal nutrition?
- 5:59I think that sometimes when we have new products, we get really excited.
- 6:05At the end of the day, I think it's important for the pediatrician to advise
- 6:11the public that there's a lot of thoughts and processes that we think these
- 6:18new products are going to help us with our baby's digestion, reflux,
- 6:24tolerance, but we have to go back to the basics.
- 6:28Is there a good study that has
- 6:32actually shown those differences with these particular products or not?
- 6:37And that's between that and ensuring that there's safety and ensuring that the
- 6:43products that the public is utilizing that are FDA approved,
- 6:48because in that approval,
- 6:50as the double checking that the mineral content, for example,
- 6:56it's up to the standards of infant formulas,
- 7:01some of the products are not approved and they're being purchased from the outside
- 7:05and they might not meet those standards.
- 7:07For example, goat's milk has to get additional folic acid added.
- 7:12And we have to ensure that all the minerals and the protein content is up to date.
- 7:19Also, the excitement comes from.
- 7:22You know, then we go into the different products to try to improve different disease processes.
- 7:28And those products sometimes may not be the best approach because then we're
- 7:36changing lactose for a different carbohydrate.
- 7:39So we have to really look into, is that carbohydrate really the one thing that
- 7:46is going to make a difference?
- 7:47And when that carbohydrate, like known as lactose, gets exchanged for corn syrup,
- 7:54is that exciting, right? Just because it's a new product.
- 7:57So, and again, I'm not saying that that's what is happening with goat's milk,
- 8:03but we just have to look into the actual content of each one of the products.
- 8:08And every time there's a new product, then this becomes a little harder to discern
- 8:14because we have so many products available in the market.
- 8:19We could know more. Could it be better once more human babies are trying this?
- 8:26Or do you want to say anything there?
- 8:29I think that, you know, as the availability of goat's milk infant formula.
- 8:35It's more prevalent in the United States.
- 8:39Perhaps we're going to be able to compare head-to-head with cow's milk-based
- 8:44products. because in the past, cows-based milk products have been the ones that
- 8:50have been compared in between, right?
- 8:53But it's the addition of all these other different novel ingredients.
- 8:57There's a lot of different novelty coming out, right?
- 9:00Adding this extra osteoporotein and or adding different components into the
- 9:09milk, is that going to make it or break it?
- 9:11So I think that we're going to know more as time goes on, and we can really
- 9:16do comparisons in regards to tolerability, digestibility, and long-term allergy.
- 9:24In which clinical scenarios is goat milk-based standard formula a reasonable
- 9:29first-line option versus when you'd steer families to a hydrolysate or amino acid formula?
- 9:35We thought that goat's milk was going to be a better product for allergies,
- 9:43and the basis of that came from one prior study where they said.
- 9:51Did comparisons of long-term eczema, for example, and then things got extrapolated as hypoallergenic.
- 9:59That study was not powered to detect major differences in between the two groups.
- 10:05So there still needs to be more studies in that regards,
- 10:10but there's really no studies doing comparisons or assessing that it is better
- 10:16tolerated for infants that have protein milk allergy.
- 10:21In fact, there's some reports that patients that had no cow's milk allergy,
- 10:26they actually did have goat's milk protein allergy.
- 10:31If a patient has allergy to a protein product that is non-hydrolyzed,
- 10:39then the first-line therapy should be hydrolyzed or completed amino acid-based formulas.
- 10:45The type of protein or the type of species that the protein comes from has nothing
- 10:51to do with that hypoallergenic capability of the protein once it's broken down.
- 10:59So we have to really advise our parents if this is an issue,
- 11:05right, that we had a strong family history and we also have the evidence that
- 11:13this patient has protein milk allergy,
- 11:16then a hypoallergenic formulation needs to be used and tested.
- 11:23So that's the most important part. Correct.
- 11:27Any nuance for non-IGE presentations and how do you cancel during diagnostic
- 11:33elimination challenge?
- 11:35I think those have to be referred to a pediatric gastroenterologist and need
- 11:41to be carefully assessed because those disease processes, you know,
- 11:48can lead to really significant food allergies.
- 11:52So I think that is just something that sometimes we assume that because we got
- 11:59exposed to a certain product, we have an allergy, but that may not be the case.
- 12:05Cynthia, do you want to talk about protein profiles, whey-cassian ratio,
- 12:12fat blend, including B-palamate, lactose content, and added components in current U.S.
- 12:19Goat milk formulas versus cow milk formulas? I think that, you know,
- 12:23with the products that we have now and that we have available.
- 12:27That content gets pretty evened out in between the different products to try to mimic human milk.
- 12:35And so therefore, weight gets added into it.
- 12:39So then it can have that higher weight to casein ratio like human milk does
- 12:44for better tolerability.
- 12:46And also, goat's milk is known to have less DHA amounts, but it's known to have higher MCT oils.
- 12:56So then those are formulations that are known that the companies address and
- 13:02they make the products to be quite similar or better adapted.
- 13:08Or closer to what the breast milk has. What about preterm or late-term preterm
- 13:14SGA or infants with complex medical needs?
- 13:18Any data or reasons to avoid or consider goat milk formula?
- 13:21I think those babies are going to be discharged from the NICU with special formulas.
- 13:28Those special formulas are usually made for babies that have higher needs of
- 13:36minerals, for example, the calcium and phosphorus, and especially premature babies,
- 13:43their bones continue to get, you know.
- 13:47Their osteopenia of prematurity tends to continue to get better and better with
- 13:53additional supplements.
- 13:54So those babies are better served by having those premature formulas that are
- 14:01specially designed for them.
- 14:03If in the future we have goat's milk-based infant formulas that have a particular
- 14:10content for the minerals that premature babies require,
- 14:15then the protein base has nothing to do with that mineral content.
- 14:20So what we need to look for as pediatricians is how small were our babies?
- 14:26Is it a very preterm baby or is it a late preterm baby?
- 14:32The requirements for bone health are different, and perhaps if it was a late
- 14:40preterm baby with minimal concerns during the NICU course,
- 14:44then a term infant formula will be completely adequate, whether it is cow's
- 14:51milk-based or goat's milk-based, it really has no differences between them.
- 14:57But if you have a very small, complex, premature baby that spent a lot of time
- 15:03in the NICU with a lot of medications that caused, you know,
- 15:08a lot of losses in calcium,
- 15:11then you need to continue to replenish those long-term.
- 15:14And since there's really not enough data to support that tolerance from the
- 15:20different types of proteins,
- 15:22you need to get your families back around into focusing on that mineral content,
- 15:29which is what the need for this baby is.
- 15:33This is all so fascinating, and it's such an honor to be here in the podcast
- 15:37studio with you, Cynthia.
- 15:39What are some of the top misconceptions you're hearing, such as goat milk cures reflux?
- 15:46Is it easier to digest for all babies, good for cow milk allergies?
- 15:49We've talked about the cow milk allergies. What about reflux?
- 15:54Reflux is something that is very frustrating for everyone, particularly with
- 16:00parents. there's really no data to date.
- 16:05Any formula that can cure reflux or medications or, you know,
- 16:12any type of additive that you can add to the baby's nutrition that could cure reflux.
- 16:20The main cure is time.
- 16:23And you have to really emphasize that over time, the more you expose the babies
- 16:31to all kinds of different formulations.
- 16:34You may be really changing quite a bit the intestinal health because you're
- 16:41exposing them, again, to different sources of lactose or carbohydrates.
- 16:47Instead of lactose, you expose them to corn syrups instead of different oils,
- 16:53and you expose them to safflower oil, to corn oil. We don't know much about
- 16:58those early exposures either.
- 17:00So I try to avoid trying to change formulas many times for reflux because then
- 17:08at the end of the day, time is what is going to be the best case scenario.
- 17:13If your baby has such reflux that it's not able to grow and you have faltering
- 17:20growth, that's when you really need to worry about it.
- 17:24And that is when you really then perhaps will need to refer that patient to
- 17:30pediatric gastroenterology to do additional testing for allergic components
- 17:37or allergic reactions, for example,
- 17:39or to aid into this reflux that is a benign condition as long as the baby is growing.
- 17:48And the developmental stage of that intestine is going to reach that time where
- 17:54the sphincter is going to tighten up and it's going to get better.
- 17:57That's great advice. My son, when he was a baby, he had reflux and it was so frustrating.
- 18:03And it was only time that helped.
- 18:07It seemed like he would spit up everything after I breastfed him,
- 18:11but he was meeting all of his milestones and doing well.
- 18:14And that is another thing, right? We haven't talked much about human milk, breast milk.
- 18:21That is the best nutrition for any baby.
- 18:25And we should really try to emphasize that we need to continue with breastfeeding
- 18:32as long as we can and utilization and maximization of human milk.
- 18:36Instead of switching a baby that otherwise was healthy and thriving because
- 18:44of the spit-ups or because of the significant reflux,
- 18:49we should never switch a baby from human milk to any other formulations unless
- 18:56we absolutely have to for specific allergic reactions or components or intestinal disease.
- 19:04For example, we have babies that have short bowel syndrome.
- 19:08May not be able to tolerate even breast milk.
- 19:12But then there's specific formulations where everything is really broken down
- 19:16to make sure that that short amount of intestine can absorb those nutrients as much as possible.
- 19:24And that should be the only time where we really need to change to a different formulation.
- 19:30Any advice for pediatricians what to say if a new mom is saying,
- 19:36Well, I'm just using formula. I want to use formula because I'm exhausted.
- 19:40And just in case the baby's not getting enough to have that extra option, more must be better.
- 19:47Usually then i would advise
- 19:50to you know the moms to get additional support because for example at university
- 19:57hospital we have a special place that we call mother's place that was really
- 20:04very well thought out when we
- 20:06opened the women's and children's we provide additional lactation support,
- 20:11additional support with maximization of the human milk when your baby is still
- 20:16in the NICU, for example,
- 20:18dietary support for the moms.
- 20:21So I think that there's a lot more that we can do for our breastfeeding mothers
- 20:26to support them throughout that time instead of getting so frustrated and adding
- 20:33the additional formula to ensure that the baby is eating enough.
- 20:38Because the first few days of life, mom's breast milk is very highly dense in calories.
- 20:46So even smaller amounts will be enough for the baby to be able to gain weight
- 20:53and to grow and to thrive.
- 20:55And you have to look for the additional signs and symptoms that they're getting
- 21:01dehydrated for the pediatrician to be able to communicate with the moms.
- 21:06Is it overstating it to say breast
- 21:08milk is pretty magical if you just look at what it can do for a baby?
- 21:13I don't think so. That's what I do for a living. And I have studied breast milk for a very long time.
- 21:20And I always tell the moms that breast milk is the medication that we give and
- 21:28provide for all babies in the NICU.
- 21:31We are now training our new generation of physicians by also training them in
- 21:39regards of like nutrition,
- 21:41doing rotations and electives with our dieticians and showing them how the magic
- 21:48happens in Mother's Place where we have all the dieticians and the dietary techs
- 21:55maximizing that breast milk for the hospital stay.
- 21:59But that can also happen at home, and we have to be able to teach moms on how
- 22:05to maximize that breast milk, how to store it,
- 22:08where to store it, and how to really handle all of that magical product.
- 22:17And that special program sounds amazing. Let's look at some cases or a way for
- 22:22pediatricians to coach a patient.
- 22:25So, for example, a two-month-old with fussiness and loose stools on cow milk
- 22:29formula, the parents request switching to goat milk formula.
- 22:33What workup or watch and wait strategy do you recommend before or after switching?
- 22:39So I always recommend, and this is something that has been published in the
- 22:45past by some of the leading papers in the country, especially for like reflux or allergies,
- 22:54colic, discomfort, diarrhea, that every time you're trying a different formula
- 23:00or a product, you need to give it a try for at least two weeks.
- 23:05And if this new formula that you're trying does not work, then you should go
- 23:12back to a regular term formula.
- 23:16So if you, as a pediatrician, when you're doing this, try to really emphasize
- 23:23that this is usually something that is transient.
- 23:27As long as the baby's gaining weight appropriately and not having any other symptoms.
- 23:35Babies have watery stools sometimes and some days are better than others.
- 23:41So you can talk to them about a trial.
- 23:46And if that does not make it better, then to go back to the original formula
- 23:52instead of trying multiple formulations every single time, because that adds
- 23:57to the frustration, right?
- 23:59So then just have that one-on-one parent understanding that this might be just
- 24:06a developmental change that over time will get better as long as you consider
- 24:12as a pediatrician that this is not a disease process,
- 24:15that the baby's not sick, that this is something that is just transient,
- 24:19then either continue the formulation that
- 24:23the baby's on or have an agreement that you
- 24:26will try one formula for two weeks and if
- 24:28not then you're going to go back because if you continue to have different formulas
- 24:33over formulas over formulas and nothing helps then that adds also to the distrust
- 24:39of that bond that you have with the family because then they're going to be
- 24:45thinking well what my pediatrician recommended didn't work,
- 24:49instead of having, well,
- 24:51my pediatrician thinks that this is going to get better with time,
- 24:55but we're trying something just in case, but it's not working.
- 24:59So we're going back to where we were before.
- 25:03What about this? A breastfed four-month-old needs supplementing.
- 25:07Mom prefers a, quote, gentler goat milk formula.
- 25:10How do you choose a product and set expectations on stooling, gas?
- 25:16I think, again, you remind your family that goat milk is a choice,
- 25:23and it's the same as cow's milk-based products.
- 25:29If they ask you, is one safer or better than the other?
- 25:34I really don't think we have enough data to ensure the parents that this is the case.
- 25:42We can say that there's really been most of the studies that have been hundreds
- 25:49of thousands to millions of babies being studied with cow's milk-based formulas.
- 25:54And so far there's been really
- 25:58less like less than in the
- 26:01thousand babies studied with goat milk formula so then the knowledge that we
- 26:08have with cow's milk based products is so much larger then you can really provide
- 26:15a little bit more guidance compared to what we know from goat's milk products,
- 26:21just because it hasn't been studied long enough and with enough number of babies for a very long time.
- 26:28Someone may say, well, in Europe, we've used it for a long time,
- 26:33but there's still not a lot of data that has been formally presented and published
- 26:40in peer-reviewed journals with comparisons between goat and cow's milk or even
- 26:48within goat's milk formulations.
- 26:50There's just not as much of a robust amount of data when you compare one versus
- 26:57the other, but it's still a choice.
- 27:00I would not argue about one being gentler than the other because of what we discussed.
- 27:08Once the protein and the fat globules are homogenized to make their formulations.
- 27:13That gentle digestion goes away. A six-week-old with suspected cow's milk protein allergy.
- 27:21Parents ask about goat milk formula.
- 27:24We've talked a lot about the cow's milk protein allergy. What's your evidence-based
- 27:28counseling and alternative plan?
- 27:32There has been only one randomized prospective trial where they reported as
- 27:40a secondary outcome the number of patients that develop eczema in one group versus the other group.
- 27:48And it was about 10% difference in between the two different groups.
- 27:53It was like 14% versus 23% in a study, and that was probably done about like 10, 11 years ago.
- 28:01There was no statistical significance in between those groups,
- 28:07but again, it was just more of a trend, and I would just not recommend stating
- 28:14that that is actually a fact, because we don't know.
- 28:19In regards to the heme-positive stools or babies that have potentially a cow's milk protein allergy,
- 28:30it can equally develop with goat's milk and it can be a protein milk allergy
- 28:36to just a non-human product.
- 28:40And even human milk, they can develop protein allergy just because it's not
- 28:46completely hydrolyzed.
- 28:48So if that is the case and you think this baby has a protein milk allergy,
- 28:55then my recommendation will be to go to a hydrolysate product.
- 29:02What other forms of formula are not okay? Donkey formula, camel?
- 29:08So there's been new products in the market that you can obtain from outside
- 29:14of the United States where that protein-based formula is, or the base formula
- 29:20comes from other animal sources.
- 29:23None of them are FDA approved currently and none of them are well studied.
- 29:29So I will stay away from those products and I will encourage the pediatricians
- 29:34to discuss with the families of all the unknowns.
- 29:37And a lot of them might not be complete in the nutrient content to support healthy growth.
- 29:46Because in all of the infant formulas, you have to add different vitamins and additional minerals,
- 29:55and you have to stabilize some of that protein content to make sure that they
- 30:01are adequate for the infant intestine.
- 30:05That is different than the toddler, and it's very different than the older child or adult.
- 30:11If the pediatrician gets the question from the mom in his or her exam room,
- 30:17well, if this was your baby, what would you do?
- 30:19Do you have any advice there? Like, what do you say?
- 30:22I always give the advice to the parents and also my trainees that I always respond
- 30:30that I am not in your situation.
- 30:34I can only tell you from my expert opinion as a pediatrician,
- 30:40this is what the evidence suggests and this is what my recommendation is.
- 30:47But at the end of the day, the choice is yours.
- 30:51And bottom line, if breastfeeding is an option, that's the magical one.
- 30:56Absolutely. We should never...
- 31:00Try to modify or exchange that precious human milk for any other product.
- 31:09The digestibility, the immune properties, the properties for long-term neurodevelopment
- 31:16are just so superior compared to formulas.
- 31:22And we know that now, after so many studies, so even in premature infants that
- 31:28have short bowel syndrome or term infants that have lost their bowel,
- 31:33our current approach is human milk.
- 31:36We really have moved away from using amino acid-based formulas, even on those children.
- 31:44So many of them, they will transition over time if there's not enough breast milk available.
- 31:51But breast milk, at the end of the day, is the most gentle and powerful infant
- 31:59product available in the market.
- 32:01And then the new mom may not be getting those messages on social media and elsewhere
- 32:06about the importance and how amazing breast milk is.
- 32:11Absolutely. So then we need to emphasize that in our pediatrics office.
- 32:18Hopefully, we will have more tools and literature available for the pediatricians soon.
- 32:24So then you can utilize and navigate this very complex infant formula world
- 32:31where almost every other week,
- 32:35there's something new that we hadn't heard about and some additional,
- 32:40novel ingredient that it gets added into the mix that we didn't know about.
- 32:45So I'm hopeful that pretty soon
- 32:49we're going to have something that the pediatrician's office can rely on.
- 32:53And we will have an episode with Dr. Blanco on our sister podcast,
- 32:57Pediatrics Now for Parents.
- 32:59So if you want to mention that to your patients, that can be found wherever you listen.
- 33:04And there they can learn more about goat milk infant formula.
- 33:09Dr. Cynthia Blanco with UT Health San Antonio and University Health,
- 33:14thank you so much for being here today on Pediatrics Now. Thank you for inviting me.