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Episode 109- Side Study- Did John Write His Gospel?- Part 4- Holy Moly Nicodemus · The Burros of Berea Podcast

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  The Boroughs of Berea is a conversational podcast. We study the Bible and we talk about it.
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  Not all of us are of the same faith, and one of us doesn't actually have a faith.
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  And that's wonderful. We all love one another, and we're going to continue to talk about
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  these things.
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  The things we believe in and the things we believe about what we read in the Bible. Not
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  all of these are necessarily true. Some of it is opinion and speculation. Thank you for
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  listening and speculating with us.
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  There you go. That was good. Yes.
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  You are listening to The Boroughs of Berea.
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  Side Studies
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  Welcome back to The Boroughs of Berea. I'm Rick, the rickening, Carter. And to my right,
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  we got Rick, the Jelly Welch.
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  The Jelly.
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  I like it.
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  The sickening rickening.
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  Welch's jelly only, sucker.
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  Sounds like a Dick Tracy character.
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  I'm a smucker's kind of guy. Actually, I make my own jelly.
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  I got you. And across from me, we have Serita, The Edge, Edgerton.
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  Ola.
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  And behind the glass, always the dedicated, Andy Bishop.
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  Kapow.
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  Nice.
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  You just said Kapow. There's going to have a meeting that later.
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  Oh.
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  Good. You'll see.
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  Oh, did I just accidentally do foreshadow?
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  You did a self-fulfilling prophetic move.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  Foreshadow.
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  All right, guys, we're back again for another Side Study. If you've been listening to our
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  Side Studies, there's a couple that Serita done. Hopefully, as a dedicated listener,
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  you've been listening to them. We kind of foreshadowed this podcast. I was pretty excited
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  during one of her episodes or both episodes about this discussion. This Side Study for
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  me has been on my heart for quite some time. It kind of started with me when I was a Sunday
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  School teacher at a local church back in Columbia. I did a lesson on this particular chapter.
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  The chapter is the discussion with Mr. Nicodemus. It's John chapter 3 verses 1 through 21.
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  And when I did the lesson that day on that particular chapter, even though I did it and
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  I was done with it, in my spirit I wasn't done. There just wasn't something right about
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  it for me.
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  Eventually, listening to somebody that you'll probably hear, or you've already heard, a
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  guy named Mr. Len Hiles. We did a podcast with him. And you should have heard that by
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  now.
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  Not yet.
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  There was something that he told, he mentioned in a sermon that I was listening to him that
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  really spun this whole conversation off and got me going down a particular path. And when
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  Rick mentioned to me some time ago about doing Side Studies, this was kind of one of the
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  ones that I really wanted to start on. Except for the fact that one you probably should
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  have heard already, the one that we just did about Adam from me, that one kind of took
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  precedence over this one until I could get through it. So, this one kind of here hopefully
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  is not necessarily my coup de grave of Side Studies, but this one's really, I really wanted
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  to put something into this one.
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  So I said I might ask this question a lot if you want to ask it, about how long have
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  you heard or read these verses, any ones in particular? It may become repetitive, which
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  I promise is a good thing. I hope that as a part of bringing you Side Studies is to
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  give you a perspective of verses or text that you might be able to look at from a different
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  way you haven't before. Also to show my work for you to see it in that way. So with that
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  being said, let's look at John chapter 3, verses 1 through 21.
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  Have you ever heard of Batman? I feel certain you have. Based on your age, you may have
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  a particular favorite version of the character, being that there are so many to date. Whether
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  you're a fan of the TV series that starred the late great actor Adam West, which was
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  just played for you, or the newer version that was played by Christian Bale. Bale was
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  one of my favorite versions along with Michael Keaton.
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  Have you guys seen any Robert Pattinson one though? That one was actually really good.
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  I liked it. He actually fits better with what you're describing here actually.
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  Well funny you should say, my kids are like, mom turn it to MTV. They actually had, I love
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  the 80s videos, you know, show videos. And I turned it on and it was the Prince, Batman,
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  Bad Dance. I had forgotten how incredibly talented, he played every character. Do y'all
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  realize that? They were all Prince. I don't know that I remember that from way back in
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  the day. Like I remember the song, I remember the video, but I never realized that he was
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  every person in the video. I don't remember that. I mean, I know he played every instrument
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  on it. Except for the ladies dancing. But he was literally every, I mean, it was so cool.
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  I had forgotten how cool the Michael Keaton version was.
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  Prince was the-
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  Vicky Vale.
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  Andy, what's that device that they record on and they loop it? Is it a loop back box?
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  That they play an instrument on, record it.
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  You mean just a tape machine? I mean there's a looper.
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  It's a looper, but I think a digital one.
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  Yeah, but it wouldn't have been a digital looper when Prince was doing it. It would
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  have been something else.
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  No, but that's what I meant. Prince was the pioneer to stuff like that because he did
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  every, all of it. All by himself.
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  Anyway, full disclosure, I saw that the other day. I was like, yeah.
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  So tracking back on this one, so not to get sidetracked with Batman, of course. However,
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  the principle core of Batman-
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  The answer is yes. The answer to your question is yes, I've heard of Batman.
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  Yes. You heard of him? You sure?
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  I have.
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  No.
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  Once or twice.
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  Once or twice.
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  Yeah, just a couple of times.
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  Cool. However, the principle core of Batman was in all different versions, they were all
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  the same. He was a detective using all available means to solve a crime or mystery. Part of
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  the storytelling of the show or movie was presented in this way. The good guy was caught
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  by the bad guy. The bad guy tells the good guy the whole plot of the crime because he
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  feels he has all control in the ability to keep the one person that could stop his plans
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  from actually stopping him.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, how does that work out for the bad guy? For the plot of the story, not too good.
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  It would be such a short story or movie if it did. So, how does this anything this tie
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  into John chapter 3? Let's get into this. As much as we study the Bible, we know how
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  the story of Jesus goes. You should be able to flip through the pages of his story in
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  your mind as if it were a comic book and see the pictures on the pages and know what's
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  going on. From his birth to his miracles, his death, burial, and resurrection without
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  even reading a word. So, is it possible that chapters 3 verses 1 through 21 is the full
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  plot of Jesus spoken at the beginning of John's book? This plot is not spoken of in any way
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  in the other synoptic gospels. However, this conversation is between two of the most interesting
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  people at the time it happens. It's like having the Old Covenant and the New Covenant
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  in the same room together at the same time discussing how things have been and what's
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  coming up. Kind of mind blowing for me.
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  Yeah. I like the way you put that. The Old Covenant and the New Covenant in the same
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  room. It's so true.
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  Again with more analogies, it's like having a room of five generation of family members
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  to take one photograph. So, how does this all tie together do you think? Do you think
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  it, how it could tie up maybe?
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  I don't really understand your question. What do you mean?
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  I know.
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  Just rephrase that. Tell me what you mean.
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  Well, I mean, when you think of…
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  How does it all tie together?
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  Well, how do you think that based on what you understand of John chapter 3…
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  Is that Greg?
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  That's Greg.
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  No, that's Fancy in the other room, pitching yourself.
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  That's hilarious.
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  She's going to the vet Tuesday.
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  So when you think of John chapter 3, most likely what are you going to go to?
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  16.
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  Absolutely. That's a big one to pick up on.
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  So, I mean, can it anything to tie them together? So, let's do flashback time. 88 miles an
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  hour everybody.
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  All right.
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  Do you remember the first Burroughs side study that was a three-part series?
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  I do.
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  I bet you do. And we've recently talked about it.
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  Is it the Who Wrote the Book of John?
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  I'll help you find, I'll help you out if you don't know. It was Who Wrote the Book
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  of John. Do you remember…
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  Oh dang, I turned the page.
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  Do you remember who was the one that was speculated that wrote that book? Hint, hint.
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  John Eliezer.
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  Sing it, Andy.
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  Blame Lazarus.
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  It's Lazarus, right?
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  There was something mentioned about Lazarus and his position connection with a certain
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  community. Could you remember that?
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  Rick pointed out that Lazarus was in the priesthood of the Jewish temple because of the writings
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  of John.
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  They pointed out how Lazarus was able to be in certain areas of the temple to be present
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  during his recorded conversation about Jesus.
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  Full disclosure about this book is that I believe that Lazarus is the person that either
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  wrote this book or dictated it to another disciple for it to be written down.
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  The point brought out during that side study pointed to it, and I agree with it.
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  Also supporting material is on the Berean Bible Church website on a past sermon by
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  David Curtis.
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  Yes, it is there. I used those. I used a lot of his notes from that. If you go to our Patreon
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  page and you become a patron, actually you can get them for free. You don't have to
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  be a patron, but I've put all my notes on the Patreon page if people want to read it.
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  Sweet.
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  Yep, they're all out there.
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  You can give money so we can get gas.
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  Yeah, y'all need gas climbing up and down this mountain.
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  Welcome to Mo's.
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  Not that kind of gas.
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  I got you.
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  Well, they get gas money for the crew, right?
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  Yeah, you put the tip in and get gas.
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  She was talking about a different kind of gas. She was right about both.
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  But you can get both there. You can be wrong. Get both there.
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  So my first point in this side study that came to me during this study about the context
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  of this whole conversation, here we go. I believe that Lazarus knew Nicodemus from his
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  time in the temple. Could have even studied under Nicodemus.
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  One of the things that we're not privy to is when did Jesus and Lazarus meet, or of
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  Lazarus and Nicodemus. Jesus loved Lazarus, but we're not given any background to their
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  relationship.
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  But we can speculate.
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  Yeah, which is what he's going to do.
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  This is where we're going.
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  Oh, I want to speculate. I haven't read, I want to speculate.
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  What we also don't really know is what brought Nicodemus to Jesus. Could it have been Lazarus
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  all along? The fact that Nicodemus coming to Jesus during the night hours could have
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  been for the protection of all that were involved in this meeting.
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  Maybe not just covering up Nicodemus' own backside on this one.
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  One thing that we see is that Nicodemus calls Jesus rabbi in verse 2. Nicodemus also says
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  we, which I have always considered that was a reference to the temple priests.
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  However, do we ever see anyone else from the temple referring to Jesus in such words?
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  No.
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  No other priest ever?
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  Only Nicodemus who is a ruler. He's a part of the Sanhedrin.
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  Yes, but he's a Pharisee.
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  He's a Pharisee.
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  Could the we refer to the people that were living in that house? Whose home could that
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  conversation have taken place? First, I don't believe that a teacher of Israel, in quotations,
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  would have just gone to anyone's home, let alone speak to such a controversial person.
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  It would have to have been a home that Nicodemus would have felt safe to be at even if it was
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  at night. Those guys always wore clothing that stuck out as to who they were. It would
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  be like driving a Ferrari in a trailer park. You're not going to miss it.
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  That's a nice ride you got there, buddy.
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  Then to call him rabbi is such a significant term, especially from Nicodemus. It's like
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  a pilot talking to another pilot. It would have been with great respect for Nicodemus
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  to do so. Again, what we're not privy to is how does Nicodemus know Jesus so well?
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  Also in verse 2, Nic says that Jesus has come from God, for no one could perform these signs
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  you do unless you were with him. Did he, being Nicodemus, physically see the signs? If he
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  did, he would have had to be near him or hanging out with Jesus. How would Nic have the time
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  to hang out with a traveling preacher that was preaching to the lowest of people, plus
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  all the sick and the lame that Jesus was healing? I feel Nic would have not been near any of
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  them due to the chance of becoming unclean from one of them. That would have kept Nic
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  from the temple, having to go through all the ceremonies to clean himself, not to mention
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  the blemish it would have put on him with other religious leaders around him. Was it
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  Lazarus all along telling Nicodemus about Jesus? Was he the mediator, the middle man?
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  I know, I know, a lot of speculation here, but this is what side studies are for, remember?
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  Looking at it a whole new way, the context this seems to fit so well. Lazarus was the
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  reason for the season.
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  Verse 3 in the conversation has so much weight to it. Being that it's right at the beginning
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  of the written discussion, Jesus tells Nic right off the bat, truly I tell you, unless
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  someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. What about verse 2 directs us to Jesus
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  making that statement so soon? Could there be more to this context, and we are only given
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  the highlights? I feel there must be. Nothing points to them talking about the kingdom of
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  God to start with. Jesus just hits him with it. Now, I have always been told that this
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  verse is referring to a spiritual rebirth. Is that what you've heard?
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  Oh yeah, I mean, he must be born again, and then he goes on to explain it a little bit,
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  but yeah, that's the way I've heard it.
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  There's a particular – I'm going to say on the side, we're going to get to it – but
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  there's a particular key word that I'm going to come back to, and that's in that particular
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  verse that really ties to something that was in that first side study about who wrote the
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  book of John. There was a purpose that the original writer, that was something that he
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  was doing in that whole book. Do you remember what he was doing?
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  Hiding himself?
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  Boom.
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  Yeah.
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  He was hiding.
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  And he's hidden from all of the other synoptic gospels he's never mentioned.
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  Yes.
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  And there's a reason, we believe.
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  There's interesting that Nicodemus is only mentioned in John.
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  Only.
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  Only.
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  That's right.
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  So, there may have been a personal connection, being that he was in a part of the temple,
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  he had a personal connection to him. So, Nick's response is a legit one, I feel. How can a
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  rebirth happen? This was not a discussion on the resurrection, or was it? Being resurrected
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  never said that you would be younger in the process, or was that even the point? At least
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  nothing in the Old Testament says that. You just continue from where you died. In the
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  verse 4, Nick says, how can anyone be born when he's old? Can he enter his mother's
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  womb a second time and be born? I can almost see Nick's face with the amount of puzzlement
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  he would have to have on it.
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  It's like a Shakespearean chuckle line.
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  Yeah, it is.
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  What am I to crawl back into the womb of my mother?
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  Yes. Into the womb of my mother.
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  And thou mother would sayest, no.
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  Not a chance.
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  Yeah, totally.
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  Not a chance.
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  Not a chance.
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  Not going back in there.
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  I mean, it's not far off, Andy.
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  That's the joke he's making, for sure. It sounds Shakespearean to me.
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  You know, he doesn't even leave the conversation or tear his clothes like other leaders had
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  in the Bible based on Jesus' words. So, this must show something about Nick's disposition
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  here, or at least to his state of mind, to still be inquisitive or open to a new perspective.
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  Did Jesus know more about Nicodemus' openness to keep telling Nick what he was going to
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  tell him? There must be more to this than meets the eye.
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  Could it have been Lazarus?
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  Verse 5, Jesus' response is another big one, yet different.
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  Jesus says, truly I tell you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot
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  enter the kingdom of God.
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  Can you see the difference here?
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  Verse 3 says, you must be born again to see the kingdom.
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  Now he's saying that you must be born of water and Spirit to enter the kingdom.
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  Just seeing the kingdom is not the same as entering the kingdom. Jesus speaks of both
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  so differently.
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  Where was the kingdom of God to be seen and how were you to enter that kingdom?
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  Let's look at the words of Jesus for some answers.
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  Sarita, you want to read these verses?
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  Sure. In relation to seeing the kingdom, let's look at a few verses.
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  Matthew 4, 17, from then on Jesus began to preach, repent because the kingdom of heaven
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  has come near.
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  Matthew 6, 33, but seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these
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  things will be provided for you.
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  Matthew 12, 28, if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has
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  come upon you.
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  Luke 17, 20, being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered
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  them, the kingdom of God is not coming with something observable.
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  Luke 17, 21, no one will say, see here or there for you see the kingdom of God is in
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  your midst.
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  John 21, 7, the disciple, the one Jesus loved said to Peter, it is the Lord.
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  Rick you want to follow up?
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  Sure, in relation to entering the kingdom, Matthew 7, 13, enter through the narrow gate
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  for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction and there are many who
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  go through it.
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  Matthew 7, 14, how narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life and
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  if you find it.
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  Luke 13, 24, make every effort to enter through the narrow door because I tell you many will
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  try to enter and won't be able.
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  John 10, 9, I am the gate, if anyone enters by me he will be saved and will come in and
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  go out and find pasture.
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  Take a moment to rewind this quick and listen to these verses and see if you can hear it.
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  I'll give you a moment.
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  Let's go through where I'm trying to point you to.
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  There are a couple things.
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  Can you see who the kingdom of God is?
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  How about where to enter the kingdom?
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  They are both Jesus.
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  In all those verses Jesus was referring to himself, yet he is telling Nicodemus that
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  you cannot see it unless someone is born, someone, hint, hint Rick, is born again.
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  There is also a change in perspectives by the writers.
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  Did you hear any difference in the way John was saying?
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  Lazarus has a whole different view.
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  Remember why?
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  It even goes back to the beginning of this book.
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  Jesus was raised again.
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  Can you see the difference?
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  In the first synoptic gospels, when you can actually read them, there is a difference
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  in how they write.
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  They're writing about Jesus, but they're not specific.
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  John was deadly specific in who he was writing to.
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  The interesting part in John 21, when the disciples, after the resurrection and how
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  it happened, the disciples went back to doing what they normally did, and they were fishing.
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  Jesus walks to them up on the shore, and he comes up and he talks to them.
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  Nobody notices, but somebody did.
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  Because the disciples…
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  The disciples of Jesus loved it.
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  And who is that?
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  That was Lazarus.
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  That's who I say it is.
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  Lazarus was the one that could see him.
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  So the door, if you look at the synoptic gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, they refer to a door,
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  but John's writing is specific.
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  He says that Jesus… because he says, I am the door.
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  There's a completely different narrative in John's book, and I believe it's Lazarus'
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  book.
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  You did a great job in your side study that I really wanted to point to, but I couldn't,
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  because a lot of the IM statements that you were pointing to in your side study was all
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  in John's.
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  They all came from John.
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  They all came from John.
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  Lazarus was the only one that could truly see who Jesus was.
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  The only reason that he had?
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  Why?
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  Because he had been dead and resurrected.
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  He went somewhere that none of us had been and came back.
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  Now, I say us, and that's a misnomer, during his time, he was the only one that had went
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  back and come back.
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  There were other people that had happened, and I'm about to jump a little bit ahead
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  of myself here, but they weren't there for this conversation, and they didn't write
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  anything that we know of.
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  Lazarus was the only one that was writing anything for the purpose of proving who Jesus
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  was.
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  So as we continue on, in verse 6, Jesus says, whatever is born of flesh is flesh, and whatever
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  is born of spirit is spirit.
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  I used to believe this was a continuation of the born-again spirituality context.
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  However, I feel that Paul can help us understand some of the meaning here.
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  Paul wrote in Galatians 4 about Abraham's two sons, Galatians 4, 23, but the one by
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  the slave, which was Hagar, was born as a result of the flesh, while the one by the
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  free woman, Sarah, was born through the promise.
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  Verse 29 says, but as then the child born as a result of the flesh persecuted the one
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  born as a result of the spirit as also now.
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  From this we can see that Jesus is telling Nicodemus that there is a major difference
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  in how a person is born.
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  Even Jesus himself was born of the Holy Spirit in Luke 1.35, the Holy Spirit will come upon
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  you, being Mary, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
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  Also in verse 36, Mary's relative Elizabeth in her old age was going to have a son by
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  the same way.
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  Do you see the possible context here?
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  Can you see it?
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  Yeah, I do.
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  What do you mean?
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  Walk me in.
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  She was going to have a son by the same way.
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  Walk my dummy brain in here.
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  Jesus basically in the beginning is telling, the book is written, I feel, by Lazarus, and
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  it's almost written in a, as we brought out in the last side study, it's almost written
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  in a hidden way, because Lazarus is trying to write his story, but he's also trying to
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  hide some factuals in it that doesn't point to him.
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  Yep.
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  Okay.
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  So, that's where, this is where some of the, I feel the confusion of what we're trying
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  to understand of what's written versus what Lazarus is trying to tell.
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  So I think the way that, what Andy's looking for is when he said to walk him in.
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  I'm sorry if I missed it.
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  Huh?
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  I'm sorry if I missed it.
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  No, you're good.
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  Go ahead.
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  So, Lazarus is explaining something that only Lazarus could explain because of the experience
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  that Lazarus had.
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  And because what I had said was that Lazarus was obviously connected to the temple.
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  He was able to get into the innermost sanctum of the Sanhedrin.
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  He was able to get into King Herod.
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  He was able to, all of these places he has access to, which is unusual.
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  That's why I say it can't be the apostle John.
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  He did not have access.
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  He was a fisherman.
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  It was impossible.
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  So in Acts chapter four, we learned they didn't even know who John or Peter were.
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  They didn't know them.
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  So they'd heard of these men that were talking about Jesus, but they didn't know him.
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  They saw that they were unlearned fishermen.
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  So Lazarus is a unique person, but he's so unique that none of the other gospels talk
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  about him.
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  Yeah, he's high and he's educated.
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  He's high, he's educated, but he's also, because he is high and educated, he has access to
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  the man that Jesus is talking to in John chapter three, Nicodemus, the ruler of the Jews.
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  And so Jesus has this opportunity to sit down and talk with this man, Nicodemus, under the
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  cover of night.
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  And we've always been taught because he was trying to hide or whatever.
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  And you know, Rick III is not saying that.
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  He's saying maybe the meeting is a little different.
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  Maybe it was the safe place for them to meet at night because it was Lazarus' house.
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  This is where they went.
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  Sure, that computes.
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  Absolutely possible.
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  That's why John is such a different gospel in regard to the other ones.
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  He has seven miracles that are not mentioned.
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  There are no demonic possessions or, you know, he says, if you see the demons and the spirit
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  of the Lord is coming upon, you know, the kingdom of God has come upon you, but you
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  never see any like demon exorcisms in the gospel of John.
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  Like it's different.
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  It's a completely different book.
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  But Lazarus has seen the other side.
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  He's been, he's crossed that plane of life into death for four days and Jesus brings
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  him back.
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  He's a unique individual.
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  And I think that what, how do I put this?
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  The way that he's actually just driving it home more that Lazarus is the author of this
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  book.
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  He really believes that.
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  The other part that I think is fascinating, that's one thing I've learned from extended
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  podcasts.
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  Yeah.
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  Anyway.
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  And a lot of people don't even believe this.
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  You know, they don't.
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  They think it's the apostle John the beloved and that's what you hear.
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  And even the Bible, you know, calls it the gospel of John.
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  And that's a good, your question about walking you in is a great question.
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  And I think now I understand why I missed it.
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  I'm coming from a perspective of learning that you didn't have.
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  You got to remember how little I know.
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  I often need the Cliff Notes version in the middle of an episode.
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  You're good.
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  Absolutely right.
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  And we've been taught all of the other things that we're trying to unlearn.
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  Yes.
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  And a lot of this is coming from, and I know Sarita understands where I'm coming from,
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  because maybe some of the stuff I'm coming from.
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  A lot of the things that I used to believe, these verses meant something different to
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  me.
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  Because the narrative was given to you.
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  Yes.
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  The narrative was given to me that this meant something completely different, that it meant
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  a spiritual rebirth, that we're born again.
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  We have to be, because John says so in the book of John, because Jesus told us that we
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  must be born again.
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  Now…
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  Which is true.
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  You have to be born again.
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  What were you trying to say, Sarita?
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  Okay, so I have a question about the end of what you just said about Elizabeth.
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  You said the Holy Spirit will come upon you, Mary, and the power of the Most High will
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  overshadow you.
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  I understand that.
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  Yes.
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  Mary's relative, Elizabeth, in her old age was going to have a son the same way?
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  It was a… because of her old age, the Holy Spirit enabled that birth.
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  She was barren.
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  She was able to have the child, but he also had the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb,
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  which is unusual.
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  There's only two people that that ever happened to.
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  Correct.
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  But I just want to make sure that we're clear that she was impregnated by her husband.
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  No, no, not the Holy Spirit.
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  Yeah, man.
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  I just want to be sure.
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  It was kind of…
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  And some of this may help.
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  Like, overshadowed her womb.
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  No.
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  No.
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  But it made it possible.
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  Yes.
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  God made it possible through the Holy Spirit.
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  I get where you're going now.
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  Yes.
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  Perfect.
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  Yes.
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  Good question.
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  Plus, it's a great pro-life scripture when the baby jumps in the womb, embryo, fetus
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  Jesus.
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  All right.
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  Now, we'll get back to the born-again part.
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  It was John the Baptist that leapt in the womb.
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  Yes.
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  Yes, yes.
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  Perfect.
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  With fetus baby Jesus.
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  Yeah.
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  So, in verse 7, Jesus says, do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
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  Because this verse seemed to fit the context of the verse before it and after it.
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  Seems to jump around for a second.
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  Why would Jesus tell him not to be amazed?
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  Was Nick supposed to know something about what Jesus had already said?
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  Paul knew it writing Galatians.
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  In verse 9 and 10, we see more here.
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  Nick is exactly amazed saying in verse 9, how can these things be?
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  In which Jesus says, are you a teacher of Israel and don't know these things?
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  So before I get too far, let's get back to verse 8 because verses 11 and 12 will help
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  us more here.
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  Verse 8 says, the wind blows where it pleases.
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  You hear its sound, but you don't know where it comes from or where it's going.
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  So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.
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  Man, I hope I'm not losing you here with jumping around.
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  However, it's not me.
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  Jesus is telling Nick that the Holy Spirit could not be seen like the wind.
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  He couldn't possibly know who could be born of the Spirit, which makes this such an amazing
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  statement.
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  Jesus was sitting right in front of him.
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  He was born of the Spirit.
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  Nick couldn't see it at all.
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  It's crazy, right?
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  It's a good way to look at it if you think about it.
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  Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit and Nicodemus did not recognize that.
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  He couldn't see it.
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  But he says, we know that you're a man that comes from God because you couldn't do all
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  of the things that you're doing unless you were from Him or with Him.
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  He doesn't see Him as the physical representation.
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  He didn't see or really know who Jesus was.
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  Which was almost what I referred to back when we read in the verses about the first synoptic
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  gospels how they wrote about Jesus and how John wrote about Jesus.
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  They saw Jesus, but they didn't see Jesus.
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  The disciples really figured out who He was when the Holy Spirit came.
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  That's when it really set into them who Jesus really was.
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  In verses all the different things, because you mentioned Thomas in the upper room.
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  He touched Jesus and then he, boom, right then and there, he knew without a doubt.
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  So now back to Nic in his amazement.
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  Jesus tells Nic in verse 11, truly I tell you, now if anybody's been in church a long
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  time when he says truly I tell you, he's really meaning something.
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  We speak of what we know and we testify to what we have seen, but you do not accept our
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  testimony.
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  That's interesting.
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  Who is we here?
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  I was taught that Jesus referring to the disciples.
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  However, none of the other disciples write anything about this stuff to testify about
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  it.
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  Could it be that the we here was actually Jesus and Lazarus?
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  The only two that were possibly in the room that had any experience with being born again,
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  aka reference to the resurrection, would be Lazarus and Jesus.
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  The others that Jesus raised from the dead were not there.
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  They were not in the room.
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  This makes a direct example of Luke 16.31, but he told them if they don't listen to
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  Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.
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  Jesus already experienced Nic's response, so he knew they would not believe either.
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  The interesting part about this book, and I guess Sarita, I have to ask a general question.
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  Based on it being in chapter three in the book of John, do you think that was in Jesus'
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  early ministry part, chronologically?
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  I would say chronologically, yes.
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  It feels like it would be because it's so early, right?
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  It feels like he's just made this prophetic for God to live the world, this whole thing.
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  It seems new.
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  However, and I'm speculating here, and I was going to wait until the end, but I'm
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  going to jump in right here.
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  What if when Jesus stayed backwards at the back of the temple, and Mary and Joseph were
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  there, he said, didn't you know I was in my father's house doing my father's business?
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  What if he and Nicodemus and Lazarus struck up a friendship there?
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  We're speculating.
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  Oh, it's very possible.
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  Let's speculate.
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  Very possible.
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  Let's speculate all the way out.
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  Let's go.
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  What if they, and so it was such a long way for them to go, what if they stayed with,
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  like the family stayed with Mary and Martha?
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  And Bethany.
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  And Bethany, when they had to come, we don't know what he did other than 12 years old.
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  Do we have any idea what the age difference between Jesus and?
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  No, not really.
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  No.
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  Okay.
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  Just curious.
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  But I mean, if you look at the chosen, they're pretty close in age.
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  Yeah.
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  They were like, I mean, that's Dallas Jenkins.
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  Lazarus.
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  Lazarus and Jesus.
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  You actually meet them there.
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  They're very close to the same age.
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  It's like they were childhood friends.
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  But I would say that they knew each other for quite a while because of the familiarity
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  of Mary and Martha.
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  None of that time would not have been familiar with men like that.
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  They run up and throw their arms around Jesus.
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  They wash his feet with her hair, spend all that money.
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  Judas gets all over her about it, the alabaster bottle and whatever.
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  There's a familiarity.
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  They've known him longer than the three years he was doing ministry on the earth.
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  They've known him longer than that.
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  I think Lazarus studied under Nicodemus.
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  This is my speculation.
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  And when Jesus went to the temple at 12, he was probably with him, maybe as friends, maybe
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  they went, whatever.
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  And when Jesus was preaching, teaching in the synagogue that day and they had to go
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  back and find him, or how many other days it was until Mary and Joseph got back.
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  It was three days.
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  So yeah, three days, right?
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  I think Nicodemus saw this young upstart and he might've even been the one that said,
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  who is this?
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  He's a kid.
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  They marveled.
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  They marveled at him.
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  And I think it could have been Nicodemus then told, if we go with Lazarus wrote this, Nicodemus
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  told Lazarus what the Pharisees or the Sanhedrin thought that day and then all the way through.
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  Who knows how many times he did it again?
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  He could have done it every time they went back to the temple for it because they had
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  to go to Jerusalem once a year, right?
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  So it could be that he went back and forth.
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  I don't know.
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  I'm speculating.
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  I hope I didn't.
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  His initial question was, do you think that this meeting was early in the chronological
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  order?
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  I say early-ish.
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  Maybe more than a year in.
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  But for him to be able to say, he's had to have heard because he's seen signs and
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  wonders.
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  We're only in chapter three, but he's already seen a bunch of signs and wonders.
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  He's heard enough about them.
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  Maybe if he's talking to Lazarus or whomever it was, maybe it was, you know, we know that
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  you are someone come from God.
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  I mean, let's see where he's going with this, but I don't necessarily believe it's too
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  early.
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  I think it might be ish.
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  I think it might be later than we think.
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  Not at the three years, but maybe not at the one year.
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  It's at one day.
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  Yeah, I definitely don't think it's in his first year.
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  It's way past the water turning into wine thing.
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  It's probably past.
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  Yeah, because that happened in chapter two.
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  It's probably past where he raises the widow's son.
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  Because he's seen some kind of power that has made him stop and take notice that he's
• 38:12
  wanting to meet him in the dark and talk to him and really say, are you the Messiah?
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  I have read about my whole life.
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  Are you this guy?
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  I've seen the signs and wonders.
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  I'm going to say that I agree with you based on my old understanding that if you read the
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  first three books, the first three synoptic gospels, they were written almost in a chronological
• 38:36
  order.
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  So when you get to the fourth book, which is John, I took the assumption that the things
• 38:44
  that happened in John were almost in the same way.
• 38:47
  They were chronologically written.
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  But if you look at verse 11, in order for Jesus to tell Nicodemus, he said, I truly
• 38:56
  tell you, we speak of what we know.
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  And he's saying we, he's not saying I.
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  We testify to what we have seen.
• 39:05
  That's not I, that's a we.
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  But you do not accept our testimony in the you being Nicodemus.
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  So in order for those we's to be included.
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  Only Lazarus was Thomas's twin.
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  Is that the conversation happened after Lazarus was raised again.
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  It had to be later.
• 39:29
  It wasn't at the beginning.
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  The only way that I know that we could do that is.
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  I'll accept that.
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  Okay.
• 39:36
  The only way that I would be able to accept it is if I could look at what feasts that
• 39:39
  they had, that they were going to, what was happening around the temple.
• 39:43
  And I think we're going to get into that, aren't we?
• 39:45
  I don't know if you do or not, but I know he does something at the temple, which is
• 39:49
  unusual.
• 39:50
  Now that's good enough to date something.
• 39:52
  It does.
• 39:53
  You date it.
• 39:54
  When he does this unusual thing at the temple, when you go back to the other chronological
• 39:57
  orders of when he did it, it sort of gives you the placement of where he's at in his
• 40:00
  ministry, because he's getting ready to do that.
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  Yeah.
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  Right?
• 40:05
  Yeah.
• 40:06
  He goes into.
• 40:07
  Well, we're not with John's books.
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  I mean, I guess we can find it by looking at the other synoptics.
• 40:13
  But this conversation in itself is just not necessarily an anomaly, but based on what
• 40:20
  you have to dig what's in it.
• 40:22
  So I originally thought that it was in the beginning of his ministry, that as he was
• 40:28
  an upstart, young ministry guy starting off, he was starting to hit it off, that that's
• 40:35
  when this conversation happened.
• 40:37
  But based on that verse 11, it changes my thinking to think that it happened after Lazarus
• 40:44
  was raised again.
• 40:45
  So verse 12, for me, almost is like the last line in Act 1 before you go to intermission
• 40:51
  and a performance.
• 40:53
  Jesus says, if I have told you about earthly things and you don't believe, how will you
• 40:59
  believe if I tell you about heavenly things?
• 41:03
  The key word of this statement is what can throw you off the whole trail.
• 41:07
  The word if.
• 41:09
  Remember what Jesus said about parables?
• 41:13
  That he was blinding the people with his stories.
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  However, I'm not sure if he's really doing this here with Nicodemus.
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  I feel he was being very serious about what he was saying to him.
• 41:25
  I believe that everything that Jesus was telling him was about earthly things.
• 41:30
  He, being Jesus, was the kingdom and the door to the kingdom in the flesh.
• 41:36
  And he was telling him why he couldn't see it or what it could take or what it would
• 41:41
  take to see it.
• 41:43
  Then the second half of the statement kicks in.
• 41:46
  If Nicodemus was so amazed at how the start or at the start, how would he be able to understand
• 41:54
  what was coming?
• 41:56
  Because if he's amazed now, he's definitely going to be amazed now.
• 42:01
  I can completely understand that too.
• 42:04
  But all that Jesus says from this point should not have been a shock to a teacher of Nicodemus'
• 42:10
  stature.
• 42:11
  The next nine verses go directly to what Jesus said Nicodemus would possibly have difficulty
• 42:17
  in understanding.
• 42:18
  I see Jesus explaining the whole plot like we were in a comic book.
• 42:23
  The great thing about this one is that Jesus wasn't a villain.
• 42:27
  However, he was a power to be reckoned with.
• 42:31
  Jesus begins to reveal himself as the hidden figure that was spoken of so much in the Old
• 42:36
  Testament.
• 42:37
  Verse 13, No one has ascended to heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the Son
• 42:44
  of Man.
• 42:45
  Jesus is telling him that he's gone where no man has gone before.
• 42:50
  That alone could be a possible study.
• 42:54
  In verses 14 and 15, as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man
• 43:00
  must be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
• 43:05
  Jesus is continuing to reveal himself as the antitype of the Old Testament.
• 43:11
  He is connecting to the book of Numbers, chapters 21, verses 4 through 9, which is just a six-verse
• 43:19
  event.
• 43:20
  Does anybody want to read that real quick?
• 43:22
  From Mount Hor they set out by the way to the Red Sea to go around the land of Edom,
• 43:27
  and the people became impatient on the way, and the people spoke against God and against
• 43:31
  Moses, Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness?
• 43:35
  For there is no food and no water, and we loathe this worthless food.
• 43:39
  Then the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, so that many
• 43:43
  people of Israel died.
• 43:45
  And the people came to Moses and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the
• 43:49
  Lord and against you.
• 43:51
  Pray to the Lord that he take away the serpents from us.
• 43:54
  So Moses prayed for the people, and the Lord said to Moses, Make a fiery serpent and set
• 43:58
  it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten when he sees it shall live.
• 44:03
  So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole, and if a serpent bit anyone, he
• 44:07
  would look at the bronze serpent and live.
• 44:09
  Thank you, sir.
• 44:10
  Remember that, Andy?
• 44:11
  We went through that one before in the past.
• 44:14
  The things that happened during this event seem to follow along with what Jesus is saying.
• 44:20
  The Jews spoke against God and Moses, a man that was a shadow of Jesus.
• 44:25
  Then judgment was sent against them.
• 44:27
  However, there was salvation for those that believed.
• 44:31
  Can you see it too?
• 44:33
  Yet now the salvation this time would come through him.
• 44:37
  Let us read the rest of this conversation through verse 21.
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  Sarity, do you mind reading that if you could?
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  For God loved the world in this way.
• 44:45
  He gave His one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have
• 44:49
  eternal life.
• 44:51
  For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world
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  through Him.
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  Anyone who believes in Him is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is already
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  condemned because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
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  This is the judgment.
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  The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because
• 45:16
  their deeds were evil.
• 45:18
  For everyone who does evil hates the light and avoids it, so that his deeds may not be
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  exposed.
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  But anyone who lives by the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be shown
• 45:28
  to be accomplished by God.
• 45:31
  Did you hear the connection between numbers in here?
• 45:38
  It was almost like the Exodus again when the feeding of the 5,000 was explained as another
• 45:44
  Exodus.
• 45:46
  You can hear the connection.
• 45:48
  He says that in just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man
• 45:51
  should be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.
• 45:54
  The connection is similar in that the serpent that's on the pole, they have to look at it
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  in order to not die from the bite.
• 46:03
  So when the Son of Man is lifted up, they have to look at it so they not die because
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  of the sin.
• 46:10
  That's the connection.
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  Excellent. So Nicodemus should not whatsoever be amazed by the statements of Jesus.
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  Now I may be amazed that it's referring to him himself that's going to be raised up
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  instead of another symbol, another entity, but it was actually going to be a person this
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  time.
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  That may have amazed him, but it should ring almost fresh in his ears if he was as studied
• 46:39
  of a man as he was.
• 46:43
  Much of this has a natural and spiritual reality.
• 46:47
  How much more did they talk about that we didn't even get to see?
• 46:52
  What did Jesus say to Nic about heavenly things, if any?
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  Did they ever talk more than once?
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  We don't know.
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  Jesus and Nicodemus?
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  Yes.
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  No.
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  We don't know.
• 47:05
  We don't know.
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  It doesn't state it.
• 47:07
  What we do know is that in John 7 Nicodemus defends Jesus to the chief priests.
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  Another conversation that in first you must ask who was there so that it could be written
• 47:18
  about.
• 47:19
  I feel Lazarus is the best fit due to his connections.
• 47:23
  Then in John 19 we see Nicodemus aids in the burial of Jesus with 75 pounds of spices,
• 47:30
  which is normally used in such amounts for royalty and leadership.
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  So how do you feel?
• 47:37
  And he was with Joseph of Arimathea.
• 47:40
  So there were other Pharisees and Sadducees who believed Jesus was who he said he was
• 47:46
  or at least wanted to.
• 47:49
  And Joseph of Arimathea steps up and helps as well.
• 47:52
  So that's at least maybe three if you're counting Lazarus.
• 47:57
  We're not privy to how many actual religious leaders actually believe Jesus.
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  Sure, and probably any of them that were at the time were trying their, I know a lot of
• 48:07
  cases to hide that fact.
• 48:08
  Guilty by association.
• 48:09
  We don't want any of that stuff now.
• 48:12
  No, yeah, sure.
• 48:13
  Yeah.
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  I think that if we use, much like we did in our Adam study when we read the Bible and
• 48:18
  we see like, you know, I say that Adam was formed on the third day and everybody, you
• 48:25
  know, can agree or disagree, whatever.
• 48:26
  I just, I'm reading it like the Bible says it.
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  But I think that Rick III has picked up on something is that the writer of the Gospel
• 48:35
  of John jumps around.
• 48:38
  He doesn't stick necessarily to a chronological order.
• 48:41
  I think that you have to take it within the context of the synoptics.
• 48:45
  This was the last gospel that was written in time.
• 48:48
  We know of it, Mark, Matthew, Luke, then John.
• 48:51
  At best we know he didn't really want to write one and he was heavily encouraged to do so.
• 48:57
  And I think that it's interesting because in John chapter 2 verse 15, he's cleansing
• 49:04
  the temple.
• 49:05
  Are you going to get into that here a little bit or are we?
• 49:07
  No, we're closing down.
• 49:09
  Good.
• 49:10
  So, in John chapter 2 verse 15, he's cleansing the temple.
• 49:12
  Do you know when Jesus cleanses the temple?
• 49:15
  Right before he's…
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  At the triumphal entry.
• 49:18
  Yes.
• 49:19
  Why, what's happening at the triumphal entry?
• 49:20
  Remember…
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  He's riding on a donkey.
• 49:22
  The synoptic gospels are not describing the fact that all of the people that were there
• 49:27
  were there to see Lazarus.
• 49:29
  In the book of John, it tells you that they're there to see Lazarus, the man who had been
• 49:34
  raised from the dead and that the Pharisees were going to kill him.
• 49:37
  So, it is quite possible, and this is going to be nuts, it is quite possible that the
• 49:45
  gospel of John the writer, if it is Lazarus, that what is happening on this very night
• 49:53
  is that the good man of the house who owned the house that was in Jerusalem could have
• 50:00
  been Lazarus or it could have been Nicodemus, but it's on the same night when he's in
• 50:05
  Jerusalem at the triumphal entry.
• 50:07
  I would say that it's very possible that when he's talking to Nicodemus, it's honestly
• 50:13
  the same night that he's about to have Passover because it is Passover.
• 50:21
  That's when he comes into the city.
• 50:22
  Could it have been Joseph of Arimathea's house?
• 50:24
  It could have been.
• 50:25
  It's speculative, but I think that the fact that Nicodemus came and that Jesus sent the
• 50:31
  disciples to this place, they knew who Lazarus was.
• 50:36
  Lazarus is their friend.
• 50:38
  They knew him.
• 50:39
  So let me get, there was something that you said about being born again, and we referenced
• 50:46
  these, and I referred to going back to the study of John where being that Lazarus wrote
• 50:53
  this book, he did his best to hide himself because he was becoming, just as you stated,
• 50:59
  so famous that they were wanting to kill him.
• 51:01
  Not only that, but he's going to be the one that's going to take care of his mother.
• 51:04
  Yes, right.
• 51:05
  So…
• 51:06
  Because it says in the Bible, in the synoptics, all of the other disciples ran away, they
• 51:10
  fled, but yet the disciple whom Jesus loved was at the foot of the cross.
• 51:14
  So that makes him a very unique person because he can't have your cake and eat it too.
• 51:19
  Either the disciples fled or they didn't.
• 51:22
  In other words, the disciple whom Jesus loved wasn't one of the twelve.
• 51:26
  He longed to be with the twelve on that night when he had that last supper Passover.
• 51:31
  He even says that, I've longed to have this private time with you, right?
• 51:36
  But that doesn't mean that that's the only ones that are there because you've got the
• 51:40
  man with the water pot and the good man of the house who owns the house.
• 51:45
  It's probably Lazarus.
• 51:46
  Martha owns the other house in Bethany.
• 51:49
  Lazarus is part of the priest line.
• 51:51
  He's in Jerusalem.
• 51:53
  So I think that what's happening is that you're getting a first eyewitness account
• 51:57
  that's been given to someone else to write.
• 52:00
  It could have been the apostle John, but I doubt it.
• 52:02
  He didn't write in Ko-ni Greek, like really high Ko-ni Greek.
• 52:05
  He was a fisherman, guys.
• 52:06
  Now maybe he learned it and he got better at it.
• 52:08
  I don't know.
• 52:09
  I don't see how.
• 52:10
  He was watching the apostle John all the time, you know, and he technically the apostle John
• 52:13
  was watching after the mother.
• 52:15
  That's not true.
• 52:16
  He couldn't have been.
• 52:17
  He was at Ephesus.
• 52:19
  He was in Ephesus.
• 52:20
  We know that historically he was in Ephesus.
• 52:23
  So I think, I think you nailed it.
• 52:25
  I think that John three is nothing more than a story that is giving you the plot line like
• 52:32
  a comic book.
• 52:33
  Yes.
• 52:34
  It's almost like a Quentin Tarantino film.
• 52:36
  He's using this out is a pulp fiction.
• 52:39
  He's using this out of order discussion and don't go watch that movie.
• 52:42
  Please don't watch it.
• 52:44
  What are you talking about?
• 52:45
  It's an amazing movie.
• 52:46
  It's a great movie, but just make sure if you have it beep all the words, you'll never
• 52:49
  hear any language.
• 52:50
  Oh yeah.
• 52:51
  It's awful that way.
• 52:52
  But it's like telling a story non-linear.
• 52:54
  Never seen it.
• 52:55
  Really?
• 52:56
  Look at his face.
• 52:57
  It's an amazing movie, but if a Joe Rogan episode frequently has too much swearing for
• 53:03
  you, then it might not be your thing.
• 53:04
  You're not going to like Quentin Tarantino, but Quentin Tarantino does a lot in pulp fiction.
• 53:08
  It is non-linear storytelling, which is what I did in Stillwater.
• 53:12
  I don't know if you guys knew that or not, but it was a test of non-linear writing.
• 53:17
  I think that the Gospel of John is a non-linear book.
• 53:21
  That's why people can't rectify it.
• 53:22
  They think, what's going on in John chapter two?
• 53:25
  It's happening really early in the ministry that he's in there whipping the people in
• 53:29
  the temple.
• 53:30
  That doesn't match the other synoptics.
• 53:31
  Yes, it does.
• 53:32
  If you put it in its time, then you understand how the author is writing the story.
• 53:37
  He's telling you much later what's actually happening.
• 53:43
  And then it makes sense that Nicodemus is very aware of what's happening to Jesus.
• 53:47
  He's already heard about the signs and wonders.
• 53:50
  We hear about it again in chapter seven, which actually happened before what happens in chapter
• 53:54
  three.
• 53:55
  Do you see it's non-linear?
• 53:56
  Yes.
• 53:57
  But then if you do that, you can actually reconcile all of these verses.
• 54:01
  It's not contradicting itself whatsoever.
• 54:04
  It's like when you tell a story.
• 54:07
  They'll be telling the story and then, oh, you know what?
• 54:10
  I need to go back to this or gosh, four days later, I mean, I really need to talk about
• 54:15
  this.
• 54:16
  We don't necessarily tell stories like always in a linear fashion.
• 54:21
  If I'm telling my testimony, I typically do, but I might be telling my testimony and something
• 54:26
  pops into my mind and I'm like, oh, but did I mention this?
• 54:31
  And I go backwards for a few years where I had gone, I was 21 versus 16.
• 54:36
  And then I go back to 30.
• 54:38
  That's just how we speak and whoever either wrote it down for him or himself didn't fix
• 54:48
  the timeline, if you will.
• 54:50
  I mean, you know it's a different book.
• 54:51
  He comes right out and says it right at the beginning.
• 54:54
  In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.
• 54:58
  Well, all the other synoptics don't get anywhere near that.
• 55:01
  It's a very high Christological book.
• 55:02
  He knows something about this Jesus that the other ones didn't because he's seen something
• 55:08
  that the other ones didn't.
• 55:10
  John the Baptist was not that light.
• 55:13
  Jesus Christ in him was the light and his light was the light of men.
• 55:18
  What is he talking about?
• 55:20
  Well, where was Lazarus when he was dead?
• 55:23
  He wasn't in the light, but he was brought back to the light because Christ is the light
• 55:28
  of the world.
• 55:30
  And where do you learn that?
• 55:31
  In the Gospel of John.
• 55:32
  Yes, and the cook your noodle just a tiny bit longer.
• 55:37
  In verse 3 and in verse 5, two of the biggest verses that we consider spiritual rebirth
• 55:44
  are being born again.
• 55:47
  But John writes that Jesus says, truly I tell you, unless someone is born again, he cannot
• 55:52
  see the kingdom of God.
• 55:54
  That's right.
• 55:55
  I have speculation highly here because I feel that the someone that he's referring to in
• 56:03
  that moment in that statement is Lazarus taking his name out of that.
• 56:08
  Yeah, and that's fair.
• 56:12
  So you also have to remember the time frame here.
• 56:14
  This is prior to the crucifixion.
• 56:16
  This is prior to the burial, the resurrection.
• 56:20
  At the crucifixion, Nicodemus comes and helps after the fact and takes his body down.
• 56:25
  Same day, within minutes of his death, same day, before the sun goes down, Nicodemus is
• 56:30
  there.
• 56:31
  Him and Joseph of Arimathea are taking the body down and then the burial spices for a
• 56:35
  king are given to him by Nicodemus.
• 56:37
  All of this is happening within just a few hours, a few hours from the time that he's
• 56:42
  been crucified.
• 56:44
  So Lazarus is there.
• 56:47
  He's the one that's giving the eyewitness account of all of this stuff.
• 56:50
  Lazarus never left.
• 56:52
  He's been there the whole time.
• 56:54
  It's not the Apostle John.
• 56:56
  No.
• 56:57
  And don't let that hurt you.
• 56:59
  Why, oh, why would you let it hurt you?
• 57:01
  Because you've heard of John the Beloved, he was the sons of thunder, and so now Christ
• 57:05
  did a work in his heart and he became loving.
• 57:07
  Yeah, that's what Christ does to all of us.
• 57:10
  He takes and we become a work of Jesus' art.
• 57:14
  That's what happens.
• 57:15
  And spiritual rebirth is something that happens.
• 57:19
  You won't know the kingdom of God.
• 57:20
  Remember the round table when I asked Gary DeMar, I said, are we in the kingdom of God
• 57:23
  now?
• 57:24
  Yes.
• 57:25
  The answer was yes.
• 57:26
  How do you know?
• 57:28
  Well, because he's been born again and he believes the word of God.
• 57:32
  We have a spiritual rebirth.
• 57:34
  We were dead in trespasses and sins, but we have the ability to see the kingdom of God
• 57:38
  even today because of our rebirth.
• 57:39
  We understand it and we all speak to it.
• 57:44
  So I think that it's not a problem that it's not John the Apostle.
• 57:49
  It doesn't bother me.
• 57:51
  I don't know why it bothers some people.
• 57:52
  It does.
• 57:53
  People get all bent out of shape.
• 57:54
  Did you get a lot of hate mail for that one?
• 57:56
  Yeah, because it messes up the narrative.
• 57:58
  You have this narrative, the gospel according to John is the beloved.
• 58:02
  It messes up the Last Supper picture.
• 58:05
  It does because it makes you think that it's John.
• 58:08
  But John does not have inner access.
• 58:09
  He doesn't have any of that.
• 58:12
  John didn't set up the meeting in Jerusalem between Nicodemus and them.
• 58:14
  There's no way.
• 58:15
  He didn't have any access.
• 58:17
  John was a fisherman.
• 58:19
  John worked on the Sea of Galilee.
• 58:21
  He had nothing to do with the temple other than when it was time to go and do his sacrifice.
• 58:25
  That's it.
• 58:26
  Any other time he was working and probably on Shabbat, you know, onto the Sabbath.
• 58:33
  But he shouldn't have been, but he was, I'm sure just like Peter and all of them were.
• 58:36
  But they had this narrative that's been passed down from generation to generation to generation.
• 58:43
  And they say, you know, this is was John the beloved.
• 58:47
  But guys, it doesn't work in the text.
• 58:50
  It just doesn't.
• 58:51
  I would much rather believe what the Bible says than what history says.
• 58:56
  I just would.
• 58:57
  I think it's fascinating.
• 58:59
  It doesn't change what I believe about Jesus.
• 59:02
  What he did is sacrifice his death on the cross, his resurrection.
• 59:05
  That doesn't change anything.
• 59:06
  No matter if John Martin the 14th wrote it, I don't know.
• 59:14
  To me, it makes sense the way you explain it.
• 59:16
  Not everything that, you know, like we say, we don't always believe everything that other
• 59:22
  people say in here.
• 59:24
  But it's at least worth having the discussion.
• 59:26
  I mean, we've just gotten so far down church tradition that heaven forbid you challenge
• 59:33
  the narrative.
• 59:34
  Yep.
• 59:35
  Challenging the narrative.
• 59:36
  And you have to be born of the Spirit.
• 59:38
  And Jesus made it very clear.
• 59:40
  It's like the wind.
• 59:41
  You don't know.
• 59:42
  You just don't know.
• 59:43
  We live in a time where people can be born of the Spirit.
• 59:47
  We live in that time.
• 59:49
  This was not the case prior to.
• 59:52
  It was after the fact, after Pentecost, when the Spirit came.
• 59:56
  That's when it began.
• 59:57
  And they were baptizing people.
• 59:59
  And just remember what happened to John the Baptist's disciples.
• 1:00:02
  Remember, there were people who had been baptized, but they never received the Holy Spirit.
• 1:00:05
  And Paul happens across them.
• 1:00:07
  And then he was like, oh, so they do the laying off hands and they baptize them in the name
• 1:00:10
  of Jesus.
• 1:00:11
  And then suddenly they begin to speak in tongues and prophecy and do all these things.
• 1:00:14
  They were born of the Spirit.
• 1:00:15
  Do you remember that?
• 1:00:16
  Yes, but I didn't get no speaking.
• 1:00:19
  I didn't either.
• 1:00:20
  I don't have the gift.
• 1:00:21
  I can speak Spanish.
• 1:00:22
  Well, you can speak a tongue then.
• 1:00:23
  Okay.
• 1:00:24
  There you go.
• 1:00:25
  I can speak German.
• 1:00:27
  So you can speak in tongues.
• 1:00:28
  Ik habe engrossed kopf.
• 1:00:31
  You have a big head.
• 1:00:34
  I can speak in ob a little bit.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  Where are you?
• 1:00:39
  I can speak in piglet.
• 1:00:40
  Yeah, I'm like piglet.
• 1:00:41
  Okay.
• 1:00:42
  Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  I said dabo.
• 1:00:44
  You are wawak thrabu daba dabo.
• 1:00:47
  That sounds like something on Star Wars.
• 1:00:49
  It does kind of.
• 1:00:50
  Jawa-waki.
• 1:00:51
  Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  I don't even know how to say Jabawaki.
• 1:00:55
  So everybody.
• 1:00:56
  That was good, man.
• 1:00:57
  Oh, but maybe we should title this one, Who Wrote the Gospel of John, episode four or
• 1:01:02
  five, whatever we were.
• 1:01:04
  Holy moly, Nicodemus.
• 1:01:05
  It could do that too, yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Yeah, just a continuation.
• 1:01:09
  Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  I don't know why it's a threat, but it makes total sense to me that they hid his identity
• 1:01:16
  for who he was and what was going on.
• 1:01:18
  And the fact that everybody, all the disciples, remember, whenever he says that the rocks
• 1:01:24
  would cry out if you make them quiet, it wasn't just random people.
• 1:01:27
  It was Jesus' disciples that he was talking about.
• 1:01:30
  All of the, not 12, but the thousands.
• 1:01:33
  All of them.
• 1:01:34
  All of them that were coming.
• 1:01:35
  Waving.
• 1:01:36
  Yes.
• 1:01:37
  And they were there to see the dead man that had been raised.
• 1:01:42
  So that's why the Gospel of John is telling you all of these things.
• 1:01:45
  This is the greatest show on earth.
• 1:01:48
  With some hidden elements to it, that Lazarus is trying to hide himself, hide names in a
• 1:01:55
  way so that the people at their time, it would kind of obscure him.
• 1:02:01
  Yeah.
• 1:02:02
  And it makes perfect sense too when you get into the end of the Gospel of John that it
• 1:02:06
  actually names James and John, the sons of thunder, in the boat and two other disciples.
• 1:02:13
  And then you find out that one of those other disciples was the disciple whom Jesus loved.
• 1:02:18
  I just want to say that it is the crime against humanity that the sons of thunder is not a
• 1:02:23
  tag team group, a wrestling group.
• 1:02:26
  It sounds like a couple of guys that drive for like children's racing or something, you
• 1:02:30
  know?
• 1:02:31
  Yeah.
• 1:02:32
  The days of thunder, son.
• 1:02:33
  Sons of thunder.
• 1:02:34
  Sons of thunder.
• 1:02:35
  Very good, man.
• 1:02:36
  Well, I'm glad you all enjoyed it.
• 1:02:37
  I enjoyed that study.
• 1:02:38
  Thank you, sir.
• 1:02:39
  You?
• 1:02:40
  Hope it was a-
• 1:02:41
  Yes, sir.
• 1:02:42
  And well, guys, and we'll see you next time on the Boroughs of Berea.
• 1:02:48
  Peace out.
• 1:02:49
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• 1:02:50
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• 1:02:51
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  Nicodemus, Nicodemus.
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  Nicodemus, Nicodemus.
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  That means I don't have to go to the grocery store.
• 1:03:34
  I'm so good at song craft.
• 1:03:37
  You are.
• 1:03:38
  You should be in a band.
• 1:03:39
  Well, that's all you do.
• 1:03:40
  That's all you do is talk about songs.
• 1:03:41
  How many instruments do you play?
• 1:03:44
  Oh, I mean a lot of them, mediocrely.
• 1:03:46
  It's not important that I'm particularly good at instruments.
• 1:03:52
  What's important is that I know how they should be played, honestly.
• 1:03:55
  This is one of those things.
• 1:03:56
  Definitely have an ear for it, for sure.
• 1:03:58
  I know when somebody has bad guitar technique and I can tell them how to correct it, whether
• 1:04:04
  they're doing things that are more complicated than what I can actually do, I can still instruct
• 1:04:08
  them how to do that better.
• 1:04:10
  Wow.
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  Even though I don't need to be able to play a really fast sweep solo, but I need to be
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  able to know what somebody's doing wrong when they're doing it wrong and be able to instruct
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  them on how to not do that.
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  Awesome.
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  I'm going to have these dogs flown to space.
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  They keep going in and out.
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  Call Elon Musk.
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  I'm sure he put him up there.
• 1:04:31
  Yeah, right?
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  He's got the means.
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  Sir, can I borrow a rocket?
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  What's his name?
• 1:04:36
  Cooper?
• 1:04:37
  The virgin guy?
• 1:04:38
  Oh, God.
• 1:04:39
  Ste...
• 1:04:40
  Yeah, I can't remember.
• 1:04:41
  He's got that big blonde floopy hair.
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  Fluffy hair, yeah.
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  He also owns those boats.
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  He has the adult only cruises.
• 1:04:50
  Is that what he does?
• 1:04:51
  I didn't know that one.
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  Richard.
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  Is that it, Richard?
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  Richard.
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  I'm going to go to Google.
• 1:05:00
  To Google.
• 1:05:01
  You got the chills because it is getting cold.
• 1:05:07
  You getting cold?
• 1:05:08
  I turned the air on.
• 1:05:09
  That was hot.
• 1:05:10
  Oh, did you?
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  Okay.
• 1:05:12
  Yeah.
• 1:05:13
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:14
  Yeah, it's starting to chill down in here.
• 1:05:15
  This melts the mind.
• 1:05:16
  Are you ready?
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  Yeah, I worked.
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  Richard Branson.
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  Richard Branson.
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  There it is.
• 1:05:21
  Oh, okay.
• 1:05:22
  The virgin guy?
• 1:05:23
  Yeah, the virgin guy.
• 1:05:24
  I was just saying that.
• 1:05:25
  Richard, I couldn't think of the last name.
• 1:05:26
  I was like, Richard something.
• 1:05:27
  We ought to take a GoFundMe for David Curtis to get on Virgin and see the curvature of the
• 1:05:34
  earth.
• 1:05:35
  You can't go high enough in a plane to see the curvature of the earth.
• 1:05:40
  You have to go higher than that.
• 1:05:41
  That's what Neil Greisen, Neil, what's his name?
• 1:05:45
  Gosh.
• 1:05:46
  DeGrasse Tyson.
• 1:05:47
  DeGrasse Tyson, yes.
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  You have to go real high to start seeing the curvature.
• 1:05:51
  The earth is big.
• 1:05:52
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:53
  I get you.
• 1:05:54
  I still see enough of it.
• 1:05:55
  It's a jack-and-it-ball-of-glass.
• 1:05:56
  You might be able to see it a little bit if it's from the top of one of those planes.
• 1:06:01
  They actually get to space in that rocket when they launch it from a plane and then
• 1:06:06
  it rockets up.
• 1:06:07
  Do they?
• 1:06:08
  Do they actually get all the way out of the atmosphere?
• 1:06:09
  Does Jeff Space's penis rocket get up there?
• 1:06:11
  Yes.
• 1:06:12
  I thought the plane just skimmed the top of the...
• 1:06:17
  Well, it gets to that point.
• 1:06:18
  It has to because then the air breaks itself down.
• 1:06:21
  I would almost feel that you would be able to see it.
• 1:06:24
  See the curvature?
• 1:06:25
  Yeah.
• 1:06:26
  You know what?
• 1:06:27
  That's a legit question.
• 1:06:28
  How high do you need to be to see the curvature of the earth?
• 1:06:30
  There's got to be an answer to that question.
• 1:06:31
  It's an answerable question.
• 1:06:32
  Did that white balloon that got shot down in South Carolina, did that one see the curvature
• 1:06:36
  of the earth?
• 1:06:37
  Yeah, South Carolina.
• 1:06:38
  That's right.
• 1:06:39
  Yeah.
• 1:06:40
  And we just had a hovercraft land on the beach this week.
• 1:06:45
  Yes.
• 1:06:46
  It was awesome.
• 1:06:47
  That's cool.
• 1:06:48
  Like a military hovercraft?
• 1:06:49
  Yeah.
• 1:06:50
  It landed on the Navy, landed on North Myrtle Beach, Cherry Grove, resupplied.
• 1:06:55
  I don't know what they got.
• 1:06:56
  They must have needed a margarita or something.
• 1:06:58
  They went back out to sea.
• 1:07:00
  People were standing there filming it and this thing's like...
• 1:07:04
  It sounded just like that too.
• 1:07:05
  It did really do.
• 1:07:06
  It was got to go.
• 1:07:08
  I had an uncle when I was a kid.
• 1:07:10
  He built a personal hovercraft out of two vacuum cleaner motors.
• 1:07:14
  Oh, wow.
• 1:07:15
  Downforce and a skirt.
• 1:07:16
  Nice.
• 1:07:17
  It could go over hills and stuff, but a single not big person could sit in it and you could
• 1:07:22
  push it around and just float around.
• 1:07:24
  That's cool.
• 1:07:25
  I've always wanted one of those hovercraft things.
• 1:07:27
  You could just buy the silly things.
• 1:07:30
  They're dangerous because they don't turn like a car.
• 1:07:34
  So you have to be very careful because the whole momentum thing will get you.
• 1:07:38
  But you can just buy the things and they look fun.
• 1:07:41
  They make racing versions.
• 1:07:42
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:43
  That would be cool.
• 1:07:44
  That have...
• 1:07:45
  All right.
• 1:07:46
  I'm going to go ahead and put it down here.
• 1:07:47
  All right.
• 1:07:48
  Yeah.
• 1:07:49
  Not you, Rick.
• 1:07:50
  The other way.
• 1:07:51
  Let's get Rick.
• 1:07:52
  I'd like them both to leave.
• 1:07:53
  He has...
• 1:07:54
  Can I stay?
• 1:07:55
  Yeah, of course you can stay.
• 1:07:56
  I can stay?
• 1:07:57
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:58
  Absolutely.
• 1:07:59
  How did you like how Billy said cherry and serena and I said the hotties and TZN?
• 1:08:04
  I was like, I'm in the room.
• 1:08:06
  If you can play this, I'm not allowed to say it, but TZN is so fine.
• 1:08:11
  Let's just be real.
• 1:08:12
  She's so fine and we're just saying it.
• 1:08:14
  My wife is going to punch me in the throat when I get home.
• 1:08:15
  I'll cut it out.
• 1:08:16
  I'll save your...
• 1:08:17
  Don't cut it out.
• 1:08:18
  Leave it in there for her.
• 1:08:19
  All right.
• 1:08:20
  All right.
• 1:08:21
  My wife is hot.
• 1:08:22
  I have no opinion on that.
• 1:08:23
  My wife is crazy hot.
• 1:08:24
  I chased after her for a long time.
• 1:08:25
  Your wife is very pretty.
• 1:08:26
  She is.
• 1:08:27
  Congratulations.
• 1:08:28
  Thank you.
• 1:08:29
  Cherry is very pretty and TZN is very pretty.
• 1:08:30
  I think I'm starting to lose my mind.
• 1:08:31
  I think my temperature is elevating.
• 1:08:32
  Can you tell?
• 1:08:33
  And Rick the third is very pretty.
• 1:08:34
  I mean, I can hear it in your... Oh, that's the dip.
• 1:08:37
  I was going to say I can hear it in your voice, but that's the dip.
• 1:08:40
  I'm going to leave it in too.
• 1:08:42
  Go for it.
• 1:08:43
  Go for it.
• 1:08:44
  Go for your sufferance, suffer how you'd please.
• 1:08:46
  That's right.
• 1:08:47
  I'm going to leave it in too.