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Talking Baseball with Authors Stephen Dittmore and Marshall Garvey · WGBB Sports Talk New York

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  We've
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  with
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  amazing
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  Mets
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  Shamsky,
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  and
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  now
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  we're
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  in
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  the
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  midst
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  of
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  what
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  I
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  termed
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  in
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  the
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  open,
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  our
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  cavalcade
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  of
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  authors.
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  I'm
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  kind
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  of
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  catching
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  up
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  on
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  a
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  list
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  of
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  that
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  I've
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  had
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  to
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  reschedule
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  because
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  of
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  my
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  recent
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  illness.
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  And
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  I'm
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  happy
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  to
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  welcome
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  aboard
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  tonight.
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  So
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  let
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  us
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  carry
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  on
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  my
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  wayward
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  sons
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  in
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  our
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  next
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  guest.
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  He's
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  a
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  recognized
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  researcher
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  in
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  the
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  areas
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  of
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  sports
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  media
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  and
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  intercollegiate
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  athletics.
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  He
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  is
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  a
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  co
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  author
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  of
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  a
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  sports
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  public
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  relations
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  textbook
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  and
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  he
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  is
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  preparing
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  revisions
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  for
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  a
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  fourth
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  edition.
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  His
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  latest
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  work
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  is
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  titled
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  Jim
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  the
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  Forgotten
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  Dodger.
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  So
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  please
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  join
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  me
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  in
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  welcoming
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  to
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  Sports
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  Talk
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  New
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  York
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  tonight,
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  Steve
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  Ditmore.
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  Steve,
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  good
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  evening.
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  Evening,
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  Bill.
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  How
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  are
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  you
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  doing
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  today?
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  We're
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  doing
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  fine.
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  We're
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  doing
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  fine.
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  I
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  hope
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  you
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  are
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  as
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  well,
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  Steve.
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  Now,
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  before,
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  before
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  we
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  discuss
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  his
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  life,
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  why
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  is
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  Jim
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  Gilliam
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  the
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  Forgotten
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  Dodger?
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  Well,
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  you
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  know,
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  it's
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  funny,
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  when
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  the
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  title
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  came
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  out
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  and
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  the
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  publisher
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  wanted
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  that
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  title,
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  I
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  heard
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  from
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  fans
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  of
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  the
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  Brooklyn
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  Dodgers
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  that
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  I
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  are
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  on
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  Facebook
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  groups
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  that
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  I
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  joined
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  as
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  part
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  of
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  the
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  research
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  process
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  and
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  tried
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  to
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  connect
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  with
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  some
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  people
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  and
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  they
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  all
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  said,
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  oh,
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  he
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  is
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  not
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  forgotten
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  by
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  that
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  group
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  of
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  people,
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  people
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  that
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  grew
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  up
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  in
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  Brooklyn
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  in
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  the
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  1950s,
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  remember
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  going
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  Evbots
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  field,
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  remember
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  seeing
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  Gilliam
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  play.
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  I
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  think
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  the
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  reason
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  why
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  the
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  title
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  does
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  work,
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  though,
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  is
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  that
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  Gilliam's
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  body
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  of
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  work,
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  playing
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  in
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  seven
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  World
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  Series
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  between
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  Brooklyn
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  and
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  Los
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  Angeles,
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  winning
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  four
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  World
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  Series
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  rings
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  between
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  Brooklyn
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  and
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  Los
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  Angele,
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  being
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  in
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  the
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  top
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  10
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  in
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  a
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  number
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  of
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  Dodger
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  statistical
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  categories,
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  including
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  things
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  like
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  plate
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  appearances,
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  runs
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  and
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  position
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  player
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  war.
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  And
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  he
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  gets
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  zero
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  votes
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  for
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  the
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  Baseball
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  hall
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  of
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  Fame.
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  And
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  people
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  don't,
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  people
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  don't
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  think
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  about
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  him
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  when
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  they
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  talk
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  about
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  the
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  boys
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  of
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  summer.
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  I
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  mean,
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  he
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  wasn't
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  in
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  Roger
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  Khan's
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  book.
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  You
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  know,
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  it
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  just,
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  it's
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  kind
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  of
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  head
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  scratching
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  in
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  a
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  way
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  that
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  here
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  was
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  a
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  guy
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  that
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  was
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  the
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  rookie
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  of
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  the
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  year
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  in
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  1953
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  in
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  the
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  National
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  League,
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  received
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  or
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  finished
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  fifth
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  in
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  the
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  National
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  League
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  MVP
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  voting
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  in
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  1956,
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  and
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  people
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  don't
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  talk
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  about
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  him
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  the
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  way
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  they
• 3:10
  talk
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  about
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  Duke
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  Snyder
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  or
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  Pee
• 3:11
  Wee
• 3:11
  Reese
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  or
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  Carl
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  Furillo,
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  Gil
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  Hodges
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  and
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  all
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  those
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  guys
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  are
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  great
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  players.
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  I'm
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  not
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  taking
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  anything
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  away
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  from
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  them.
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  But
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  Gilliam
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  was
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  in
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  there
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  day
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  in
• 3:19
  and
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  day
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  out
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  for
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  the
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  Dodgers
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  for
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  11
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  years.
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  As
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  a
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  player
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  in
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  the
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  organization
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  for.
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  27
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  years,
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  it's
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  kind
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  of
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  glaring
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  omission.
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  As
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  you're
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  mentioning
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  in
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  the
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  book.
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  Now,
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  I
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  would
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  like
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  to
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  know,
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  how
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  did
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  he
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  get
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  the
• 3:32
  nickname
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  Junior?
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  So
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  that
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  nickname
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  was
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  given
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  to
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  him
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  kind
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  of
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  by
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  accident.
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  In
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  spring
• 3:40
  training
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  of
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  1946,
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  he
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  was
• 3:43
  trying
• 3:44
  out
• 3:44
  for
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  the
• 3:45
  Baltimore
• 3:46
  Eli
• 3:46
  Giants.
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  Gilliam
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  had
• 3:47
  dropped
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  out
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  of
• 3:48
  high
• 3:48
  school
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  in
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  Nashville,
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  Tennessee,
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  and
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  had
• 3:50
  played
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  the
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  1945
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  season
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  with
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  the
• 3:53
  Nashville
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  Black
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  Vols
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  in
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  Negro
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  Southern
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  League.
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  And
• 3:57
  George
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  Scales
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  was
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  the
• 3:59
  manager
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  of
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  Baltimore
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  Eli
• 4:00
  Giants,
• 4:01
  who
• 4:01
  used
• 4:01
  to
• 4:01
  be
• 4:01
  based
• 4:01
  in
• 4:02
  Nashville.
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  And
• 4:02
  they
• 4:02
  still
• 4:03
  held
• 4:03
  their
• 4:03
  spring
• 4:03
  training
• 4:04
  in
• 4:04
  Nashville.
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  And
• 4:05
  so
• 4:05
  they
• 4:05
  were
• 4:05
  in
• 4:05
  Nashville
• 4:06
  and
• 4:07
  Gilliam
• 4:07
  was,
• 4:08
  you
• 4:08
  know,
• 4:09
  trying
• 4:09
  out
• 4:09
  for
• 4:09
  the
• 4:09
  team.
• 4:10
  And
• 4:10
  he
• 4:11
  couldn't
• 4:11
  swing,
• 4:12
  he
• 4:12
  couldn't
• 4:12
  hit
• 4:13
  a
• 4:13
  curveball.
• 4:13
  He
• 4:13
  was
• 4:13
  batting.
• 4:14
  He
• 4:14
  was
• 4:14
  a
• 4:14
  righty.
• 4:14
  Righty.
• 4:15
  And
• 4:16
  Scales,
• 4:16
  as
• 4:17
  the
• 4:17
  manager,
• 4:17
  said,
• 4:19
  hey,
• 4:19
  Junior,
• 4:19
  why
• 4:20
  don't
• 4:20
  you
• 4:20
  get
• 4:20
  over
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  other
• 4:20
  side
• 4:21
  of
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  plate
• 4:21
  and
• 4:21
  try
• 4:21
  it
• 4:21
  from
• 4:22
  there?
• 4:22
  And
• 4:23
  the
• 4:23
  nickname
• 4:24
  stuck.
• 4:24
  And
• 4:25
  Gilliam
• 4:25
  actually
• 4:26
  went
• 4:26
  on
• 4:26
  to
• 4:26
  become
• 4:26
  quite
• 4:27
  a
• 4:27
  proficient
• 4:27
  switch
• 4:28
  hitter
• 4:28
  as
• 4:28
  a
• 4:28
  result
• 4:29
  of
• 4:29
  that
• 4:29
  as
• 4:29
  well.
• 4:30
  That's
• 4:30
  a
• 4:30
  great
• 4:30
  fact.
• 4:31
  I'm
• 4:32
  glad
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  asked
• 4:32
  that,
• 4:32
  Steve.
• 4:33
  Now,
• 4:34
  as
• 4:34
  we
• 4:34
  said,
• 4:35
  born
• 4:35
  in
• 4:35
  Nashville,
• 4:36
  dropped
• 4:37
  out
• 4:37
  of
• 4:37
  high
• 4:37
  school,
• 4:38
  joined
• 4:38
  the
• 4:38
  Nashville
• 4:39
  Black
• 4:39
  Balls
• 4:40
  of
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  Negro
• 4:41
  Southern
• 4:41
  League.
• 4:42
  1945.
• 4:43
  Now,
• 4:43
  he
• 4:43
  was
• 4:44
  16
• 4:44
  years
• 4:44
  old.
• 4:46
  Correct.
• 4:47
  Wow,
• 4:47
  that
• 4:47
  is
• 4:47
  amazing.
• 4:48
  Tell
• 4:48
  us
• 4:49
  a
• 4:49
  little
• 4:49
  more
• 4:49
  about
• 4:50
  his
• 4:50
  time
• 4:50
  with
• 4:50
  the
• 4:51
  Nashville
• 4:51
  Black
• 4:52
  Vols.
• 4:53
  Well,
• 4:53
  so
• 4:53
  very
• 4:54
  little
• 4:54
  is
• 4:54
  known
• 4:55
  actually
• 4:56
  about
• 4:57
  that.
• 4:57
  There
• 4:57
  are
• 4:57
  very
• 4:57
  few
• 4:58
  statistics
• 4:58
  that
• 4:58
  exist
• 4:59
  from
• 4:59
  the
• 4:59
  1945
• 5:00
  Negro
• 5:01
  Southern
• 5:01
  League.
• 5:01
  And
• 5:02
  there's
• 5:03
  a
• 5:03
  great
• 5:03
  book
• 5:03
  by
• 5:03
  William
• 5:04
  Plott
• 5:04
  that
• 5:05
  does
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  history
• 5:05
  of
• 5:05
  the
• 5:06
  Negro
• 5:06
  Southern
• 5:06
  League.
• 5:07
  And
• 5:07
  he
• 5:07
  even
• 5:07
  admits
• 5:07
  he
• 5:08
  can't
• 5:08
  find
• 5:08
  statistics.
• 5:09
  So
• 5:09
  we
• 5:09
  don't
• 5:09
  know
• 5:09
  much.
• 5:10
  We
• 5:10
  know
• 5:10
  he
• 5:10
  played
• 5:11
  third
• 5:11
  base.
• 5:12
  We
• 5:12
  know
• 5:12
  he
• 5:12
  was
• 5:12
  part
• 5:12
  of
• 5:13
  an
• 5:13
  all
• 5:13
  star
• 5:13
  team
• 5:14
  that
• 5:14
  played
• 5:15
  a
• 5:15
  game
• 5:16
  against
• 5:16
  an
• 5:16
  industrial
• 5:17
  team
• 5:17
  in
• 5:17
  Birmingham
• 5:18
  because
• 5:18
  he
• 5:18
  was
• 5:18
  listed
• 5:19
  in
• 5:19
  a
• 5:19
  newspaper
• 5:19
  as
• 5:20
  being
• 5:20
  part
• 5:20
  of
• 5:20
  that.
• 5:21
  But
• 5:21
  we
• 5:21
  don't
• 5:21
  really
• 5:21
  know
• 5:22
  statistics.
• 5:23
  46.
• 5:24
  He
• 5:24
  joins
• 5:24
  the
• 5:24
  Baltimore
• 5:25
  Eli
• 5:25
  Giants
• 5:26
  then
• 5:26
  as
• 5:26
  part
• 5:27
  of
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  Negro
• 5:28
  Negro
• 5:28
  Leagues.
• 5:29
  And
• 5:29
  he
• 5:30
  doesn't
• 5:31
  see
• 5:31
  a
• 5:31
  whole
• 5:31
  lot
• 5:31
  of
• 5:31
  action.
• 5:32
  This
• 5:32
  is
• 5:32
  his
• 5:32
  age
• 5:33
  age
• 5:34
  16
• 5:34
  season,
• 5:35
  or
• 5:35
  excuse
• 5:35
  me,
• 5:36
  his
• 5:36
  age
• 5:36
  17
• 5:36
  season.
• 5:37
  So
• 5:37
  he's
• 5:37
  not
• 5:37
  seeing
• 5:38
  a
• 5:38
  whole
• 5:38
  lot
• 5:38
  of
• 5:38
  action.
• 5:39
  But
• 5:39
  by
• 5:39
  1948,
• 5:41
  49
• 5:42
  and
• 5:42
  50,
• 5:42
  he
• 5:43
  was
• 5:43
  an
• 5:43
  all
• 5:43
  star
• 5:43
  in
• 5:43
  the
• 5:44
  Negro
• 5:44
  Leagues.
• 5:45
  That
• 5:45
  Was
• 5:45
  with
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  Baltimore
• 5:46
  elite
• 5:47
  Giants,
• 5:48
  Correct?
• 5:49
  Yeah.
• 5:49
  Yes.
• 5:50
  Now,
• 5:50
  he
• 5:50
  was
• 5:51
  purchased
• 5:51
  by
• 5:51
  the
• 5:52
  Dodgers
• 5:52
  in
• 5:53
  1950,
• 5:54
  October
• 5:54
  of
• 5:54
  1950.
• 5:56
  And
• 5:56
  he
• 5:56
  went
• 5:56
  to
• 5:57
  Montreal,
• 5:57
  as
• 5:57
  so
• 5:58
  many
• 5:58
  of
• 5:58
  them
• 5:58
  did
• 5:58
  from
• 5:59
  51
• 5:59
  to
• 5:59
  52.
• 6:00
  How
• 6:01
  about
• 6:01
  his
• 6:01
  time
• 6:01
  with
• 6:02
  the
• 6:02
  Royals?
• 6:03
  Yeah,
• 6:04
  so
• 6:04
  he
• 6:04
  had
• 6:04
  two
• 6:04
  great
• 6:05
  seasons
• 6:05
  in
• 6:06
  Montreal.
• 6:06
  And
• 6:07
  when
• 6:07
  the
• 6:07
  Dodgers
• 6:07
  purchased
• 6:08
  him,
• 6:08
  they
• 6:08
  also
• 6:08
  purchased
• 6:09
  Joe
• 6:09
  Black
• 6:10
  and
• 6:10
  another
• 6:10
  pitcher
• 6:11
  named
• 6:11
  Leroy
• 6:11
  Farrell
• 6:12
  for
• 6:12
  a
• 6:12
  sum
• 6:13
  of
• 6:13
  $11,000.
• 6:14
  And
• 6:15
  black
• 6:15
  and
• 6:16
  Gilliam,
• 6:17
  roommates
• 6:17
  throughout
• 6:18
  his
• 6:18
  time
• 6:18
  with
• 6:18
  the
• 6:18
  Baltimore
• 6:19
  Eli
• 6:19
  Giants.
• 6:19
  They
• 6:20
  were
• 6:20
  two
• 6:22
  kind
• 6:22
  of
• 6:22
  different
• 6:22
  personalities.
• 6:23
  Black
• 6:24
  actually
• 6:24
  graduated
• 6:25
  from
• 6:25
  Morgan
• 6:26
  State,
• 6:26
  so
• 6:26
  he
• 6:26
  was
• 6:26
  college
• 6:27
  educated.
• 6:27
  Gilliam
• 6:28
  had
• 6:28
  dropped
• 6:28
  out
• 6:28
  of
• 6:28
  high
• 6:28
  school,
• 6:29
  not
• 6:29
  finishing
• 6:30
  his
• 6:30
  senior
• 6:30
  year
• 6:30
  of
• 6:31
  high
• 6:31
  school,
• 6:32
  so
• 6:32
  they
• 6:32
  were
• 6:32
  a
• 6:33
  little
• 6:33
  different
• 6:33
  that
• 6:33
  way.
• 6:33
  But
• 6:34
  they
• 6:34
  got
• 6:34
  along
• 6:34
  great.
• 6:34
  They
• 6:35
  were
• 6:35
  good
• 6:35
  friends.
• 6:37
  And
• 6:37
  they
• 6:37
  go
• 6:38
  to
• 6:38
  Montreal
• 6:38
  together.
• 6:39
  And
• 6:39
  in
• 6:39
  51,
• 6:40
  they
• 6:40
  stayed
• 6:40
  together
• 6:41
  as
• 6:41
  roommates
• 6:42
  and
• 6:42
  played
• 6:42
  on
• 6:42
  that
• 6:42
  team.
• 6:43
  Gilliam
• 6:44
  finished
• 6:44
  second
• 6:45
  in
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  MVP
• 6:46
  voting
• 6:46
  in
• 6:46
  the
• 6:46
  International
• 6:47
  League
• 6:47
  that
• 6:47
  year
• 6:48
  behind
• 6:48
  Chico
• 6:49
  Fernandez,
• 6:49
  another
• 6:49
  member
• 6:50
  of
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  Montreal
• 6:50
  Royals.
• 6:51
  And
• 6:52
  then
• 6:52
  in
• 6:53
  1952,
• 6:54
  Black
• 6:54
  gets
• 6:55
  recalled
• 6:56
  or
• 6:56
  gets
• 6:56
  added
• 6:56
  to
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  Dodgers
• 6:57
  roster
• 6:58
  and
• 6:58
  becomes
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  rookie
• 6:58
  of
• 6:59
  the
• 6:59
  year
• 6:59
  for
• 6:59
  Brooklyn
• 6:59
  in
• 7:00
  1952.
• 7:01
  Gilliam
• 7:02
  is
• 7:02
  still
• 7:02
  in
• 7:02
  the
• 7:03
  minors
• 7:03
  during
• 7:04
  that
• 7:04
  period
• 7:04
  of
• 7:04
  time,
• 7:05
  wins
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  International
• 7:06
  League
• 7:06
  MVP
• 7:08
  and
• 7:08
  then
• 7:08
  would
• 7:09
  make
• 7:09
  his
• 7:09
  major
• 7:09
  league
• 7:09
  debut
• 7:10
  in
• 7:11
  April
• 7:11
  1953,
• 7:12
  right?
• 7:13
  53.
• 7:13
  He's
• 7:13
  the
• 7:14
  national
• 7:14
  League
• 7:14
  rookie
• 7:15
  of
• 7:15
  the
• 7:15
  year
• 7:15
  for
• 7:15
  the
• 7:15
  Brooklyn
• 7:16
  Dodgers.
• 7:18
  Of
• 7:18
  course,
• 7:18
  he
• 7:18
  was
• 7:19
  a
• 7:19
  great
• 7:19
  ball
• 7:19
  player
• 7:19
  with
• 7:20
  Montreal.
• 7:20
  Was
• 7:20
  there
• 7:21
  a
• 7:21
  glaring
• 7:21
  need
• 7:22
  in
• 7:22
  Brooklyn
• 7:22
  for
• 7:23
  them
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  bring
• 7:23
  up
• 7:23
  Jim
• 7:24
  Gilliam?
• 7:26
  Well,
• 7:26
  I
• 7:26
  think
• 7:27
  in
• 7:27
  hindsight,
• 7:27
  I
• 7:28
  think
• 7:28
  that
• 7:28
  kind
• 7:28
  of
• 7:28
  depends
• 7:29
  on
• 7:29
  who
• 7:29
  you're
• 7:30
  asking
• 7:30
  on
• 7:30
  this,
• 7:30
  I
• 7:30
  think.
• 7:32
  So
• 7:33
  here's
• 7:33
  my
• 7:34
  take
• 7:34
  on
• 7:34
  it.
• 7:34
  The
• 7:34
  Dodgers
• 7:35
  at
• 7:35
  that
• 7:35
  point
• 7:35
  in
• 7:36
  time,
• 7:36
  like
• 7:36
  every
• 7:36
  other
• 7:37
  big
• 7:37
  league
• 7:38
  club
• 7:38
  that
• 7:38
  had
• 7:38
  integrated,
• 7:39
  didn't
• 7:40
  have
• 7:40
  black
• 7:41
  players
• 7:41
  on
• 7:41
  the
• 7:42
  bench.
• 7:42
  They
• 7:42
  had
• 7:43
  black
• 7:43
  players
• 7:44
  in
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  lineup.
• 7:45
  So
• 7:45
  if
• 7:45
  you
• 7:45
  had,
• 7:46
  you
• 7:46
  know,
• 7:46
  Jackie
• 7:46
  Robinson,
• 7:47
  Roy
• 7:47
  Campanella,
• 7:48
  you
• 7:48
  had
• 7:48
  Willie
• 7:48
  Mays,
• 7:49
  you
• 7:49
  had
• 7:50
  Larry
• 7:50
  Doby,
• 7:51
  Monty
• 7:51
  Irvin,
• 7:52
  those
• 7:52
  types
• 7:52
  of
• 7:52
  guys
• 7:52
  were
• 7:52
  playing
• 7:53
  every
• 7:53
  day.
• 7:54
  But
• 7:54
  you
• 7:54
  didn't
• 7:55
  have
• 7:55
  somebody
• 7:55
  on
• 7:56
  the
• 7:56
  bench
• 7:56
  who
• 7:56
  was
• 7:56
  black.
• 7:57
  And
• 7:57
  so
• 7:57
  the
• 7:57
  Dodgers
• 7:58
  opted
• 7:58
  to
• 7:58
  keep
• 7:59
  a
• 7:59
  couple
• 8:00
  of
• 8:00
  middle
• 8:00
  infielders
• 8:01
  that
• 8:01
  were
• 8:01
  kind
• 8:01
  of
• 8:01
  journeyman
• 8:02
  Bobby
• 8:02
  Morgan
• 8:03
  and
• 8:03
  Rocky
• 8:03
  Bridges
• 8:04
  and
• 8:04
  kept
• 8:04
  those
• 8:04
  guys
• 8:05
  on
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  roster
• 8:06
  in
• 8:06
  51
• 8:07
  and
• 8:07
  52
• 8:08
  while
• 8:08
  Gilliam
• 8:09
  was
• 8:09
  putting
• 8:09
  up
• 8:09
  lights
• 8:10
  out
• 8:10
  statistics
• 8:10
  in
• 8:11
  Montreal.
• 8:12
  And
• 8:12
  by
• 8:12
  as
• 8:12
  early
• 8:13
  as
• 8:13
  June
• 8:13
  of
• 8:14
  1950,
• 8:16
  the
• 8:16
  New
• 8:17
  York
• 8:17
  Daily
• 8:17
  News
• 8:18
  was
• 8:18
  actually
• 8:19
  reporting
• 8:20
  about
• 8:20
  Gilliam
• 8:20
  and
• 8:21
  wondering
• 8:21
  if
• 8:21
  he
• 8:21
  could
• 8:21
  help
• 8:22
  Brooklyn
• 8:22
  in
• 8:23
  1951.
• 8:24
  And
• 8:24
  so
• 8:24
  you
• 8:24
  can't
• 8:24
  help
• 8:25
  but
• 8:25
  think
• 8:26
  in
• 8:26
  hindsight,
• 8:27
  if
• 8:27
  there
• 8:27
  hadn't
• 8:28
  been
• 8:28
  kind
• 8:28
  of
• 8:28
  a
• 8:28
  quota
• 8:29
  at
• 8:29
  that
• 8:29
  point
• 8:29
  in
• 8:30
  time,
• 8:30
  that
• 8:30
  maybe
• 8:31
  Gilliam
• 8:31
  could
• 8:31
  have
• 8:32
  helped
• 8:32
  The
• 8:32
  Dodgers
• 8:33
  win
• 8:33
  one
• 8:33
  game
• 8:33
  in
• 8:34
  1951
• 8:35
  that
• 8:35
  would
• 8:35
  have
• 8:35
  avoided
• 8:36
  a
• 8:37
  three
• 8:37
  game
• 8:37
  playoff
• 8:37
  with
• 8:38
  the
• 8:38
  New
• 8:38
  York
• 8:38
  Giants.
• 8:39
  Or
• 8:39
  maybe
• 8:39
  win
• 8:39
  one,
• 8:40
  help
• 8:40
  them
• 8:40
  win
• 8:40
  one
• 8:41
  more
• 8:41
  game
• 8:41
  in
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  World
• 8:41
  Series
• 8:42
  in
• 8:42
  52,
• 8:43
  and
• 8:44
  maybe
• 8:44
  that
• 8:45
  becomes
• 8:45
  the
• 8:45
  year
• 8:45
  they
• 8:45
  beat
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  Yankees
• 8:46
  instead
• 8:46
  of
• 8:46
  55.
• 8:47
  Amazing
• 8:48
  thought,
• 8:48
  Steve.
• 8:49
  Yeah,
• 8:49
  that
• 8:50
  they
• 8:51
  could
• 8:51
  have
• 8:51
  avoided
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  playoff
• 8:52
  with
• 8:53
  the
• 8:53
  New
• 8:53
  York
• 8:53
  Giants.
• 8:54
  Imagine
• 8:54
  that,
• 8:54
  folks.
• 8:55
  No
• 8:55
  Bobby
• 8:56
  Thompson
• 8:57
  and
• 8:57
  no
• 8:57
  shot
• 8:57
  heard
• 8:58
  round
• 8:58
  the
• 8:58
  world
• 8:59
  because
• 8:59
  precisely,
• 9:00
  potentially,
• 9:01
  Jim
• 9:01
  Gilliam's
• 9:02
  play
• 9:03
  with
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  Dodgers.
• 9:04
  Now,
• 9:05
  was
• 9:05
  there
• 9:05
  a
• 9:05
  feeling
• 9:06
  in
• 9:06
  Brooklyn?
• 9:06
  Steve,
• 9:07
  we're
• 9:07
  speaking
• 9:07
  with
• 9:08
  Steve
• 9:08
  Ditmore
• 9:08
  tonight
• 9:09
  about
• 9:09
  his
• 9:09
  book
• 9:09
  the
• 9:10
  Forgotten
• 9:10
  Dodger.
• 9:11
  Jim
• 9:11
  Gilliam,
• 9:13
  was
• 9:13
  there
• 9:13
  a
• 9:14
  pervasive
• 9:15
  feeling
• 9:15
  in
• 9:15
  Brooklyn?
• 9:16
  Now
• 9:16
  they
• 9:16
  have
• 9:16
  the
• 9:16
  1952
• 9:17
  and
• 9:17
  1953
• 9:18
  Rookie
• 9:19
  of
• 9:19
  the
• 9:20
  Year.
• 9:20
  Rookies
• 9:20
  of
• 9:21
  the
• 9:21
  Year.
• 9:22
  Is
• 9:22
  there
• 9:22
  a
• 9:22
  feeling
• 9:23
  there
• 9:23
  that
• 9:23
  they're
• 9:24
  really
• 9:24
  building
• 9:25
  a
• 9:26
  firm
• 9:26
  basis
• 9:26
  for
• 9:26
  the
• 9:27
  future?
• 9:29
  Yeah,
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  think
• 9:30
  so.
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  mean,
• 9:30
  I
• 9:31
  think,
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  know,
• 9:31
  there
• 9:31
  was,
• 9:32
  there
• 9:32
  was
• 9:32
  a
• 9:32
  lot
• 9:32
  of
• 9:32
  newspaper
• 9:33
  coverage.
• 9:34
  You
• 9:34
  know,
• 9:34
  doing
• 9:34
  the
• 9:34
  archive
• 9:35
  research
• 9:35
  on
• 9:35
  this,
• 9:35
  you
• 9:36
  see
• 9:36
  a
• 9:36
  lot
• 9:36
  of
• 9:36
  newspaper
• 9:37
  coverage
• 9:37
  about
• 9:38
  Gilliam
• 9:39
  being
• 9:40
  groomed
• 9:40
  to
• 9:40
  replace
• 9:41
  Jackie
• 9:41
  Robinson
• 9:42
  because
• 9:42
  Jackie
• 9:43
  was
• 9:43
  getting
• 9:43
  older
• 9:44
  and,
• 9:45
  you
• 9:45
  know,
• 9:45
  he
• 9:45
  would
• 9:45
  be
• 9:46
  the
• 9:46
  person
• 9:46
  to
• 9:46
  move
• 9:47
  Jackie
• 9:47
  Robinson
• 9:48
  off
• 9:48
  that
• 9:48
  and
• 9:49
  then
• 9:49
  he
• 9:49
  would
• 9:49
  be
• 9:49
  the
• 9:49
  foundation
• 9:50
  for
• 9:50
  the
• 9:50
  future.
• 9:52
  You
• 9:52
  know,
• 9:52
  Robinson
• 9:53
  obviously
• 9:53
  still
• 9:53
  played
• 9:54
  through
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  56
• 9:54
  season,
• 9:55
  so
• 9:55
  he
• 9:55
  wasn't
• 9:55
  ready
• 9:56
  to
• 9:56
  hang
• 9:56
  it
• 9:56
  up
• 9:56
  when
• 9:57
  Gilliam
• 9:57
  debuted.
• 9:58
  And
• 9:59
  there
• 9:59
  were
• 9:59
  other
• 9:59
  young
• 10:00
  players,
• 10:00
  young
• 10:01
  infielders
• 10:01
  that
• 10:02
  the
• 10:02
  Dodgers
• 10:02
  had
• 10:02
  in
• 10:03
  their
• 10:03
  system.
• 10:03
  Don
• 10:03
  Zimmer
• 10:04
  was
• 10:05
  an
• 10:05
  integral
• 10:05
  part
• 10:06
  of
• 10:06
  the
• 10:06
  55
• 10:06
  World
• 10:07
  Series
• 10:07
  winning
• 10:07
  team.
• 10:08
  Charlie
• 10:09
  Neal
• 10:09
  came
• 10:09
  along
• 10:10
  around
• 10:10
  that
• 10:10
  same
• 10:11
  time.
• 10:11
  So
• 10:11
  there
• 10:11
  were
• 10:11
  a
• 10:11
  lot
• 10:12
  of
• 10:12
  these
• 10:12
  guys
• 10:12
  that
• 10:12
  could
• 10:13
  play
• 10:13
  second,
• 10:14
  short,
• 10:15
  third
• 10:15
  base.
• 10:15
  Gilliam
• 10:16
  was
• 10:16
  primarily
• 10:16
  a
• 10:17
  second
• 10:17
  baseman,
• 10:17
  third
• 10:18
  baseman,
• 10:18
  but
• 10:19
  moved
• 10:19
  to
• 10:19
  the
• 10:19
  outfield.
• 10:20
  And
• 10:20
  so
• 10:20
  they
• 10:21
  were
• 10:21
  building
• 10:21
  this
• 10:22
  foundation
• 10:22
  of
• 10:22
  younger
• 10:23
  players,
• 10:23
  players
• 10:24
  to
• 10:24
  eventually
• 10:25
  replace,
• 10:26
  replace
• 10:27
  Pee
• 10:27
  Wee
• 10:27
  Reese
• 10:28
  and
• 10:28
  Jackie
• 10:29
  Robinson
• 10:29
  and
• 10:29
  some
• 10:29
  of
• 10:29
  the
• 10:30
  other
• 10:30
  mainstays
• 10:30
  that.
• 10:30
  Went
• 10:31
  back
• 10:31
  to
• 10:31
  the
• 10:31
  late
• 10:31
  40s,
• 10:32
  as
• 10:32
  you
• 10:33
  mentioned
• 10:33
  earlier.
• 10:33
  Steve,
• 10:36
  a
• 10:36
  great
• 10:36
  point
• 10:37
  on
• 10:37
  the
• 10:37
  resume
• 10:38
  of
• 10:38
  Jim
• 10:38
  Gilliam
• 10:39
  is
• 10:39
  that
• 10:39
  he
• 10:40
  played
• 10:40
  on
• 10:40
  seven
• 10:41
  World
• 10:41
  Series
• 10:42
  teams
• 10:43
  and
• 10:44
  the
• 10:44
  Dodgers
• 10:44
  won
• 10:45
  four
• 10:45
  of
• 10:45
  those
• 10:46
  between
• 10:47
  Brooklyn
• 10:47
  and
• 10:48
  la.
• 10:49
  Now,
• 10:49
  wouldn't
• 10:50
  you
• 10:50
  think
• 10:50
  that
• 10:50
  that
• 10:51
  would
• 10:51
  be
• 10:51
  enough
• 10:51
  to
• 10:52
  garner
• 10:52
  some
• 10:53
  interest
• 10:53
  in
• 10:53
  the
• 10:54
  folks
• 10:54
  at
• 10:54
  cooperst?
• 10:56
  Well,
• 10:56
  you
• 10:57
  would
• 10:57
  think
• 10:57
  so.
• 10:57
  And
• 10:57
  I
• 10:57
  think,
• 10:58
  you
• 10:58
  know,
• 10:58
  looking
• 10:58
  back
• 10:59
  on,
• 10:59
  in
• 10:59
  hindsight,
• 10:59
  being
• 11:00
  what
• 11:00
  it
• 11:00
  is,
• 11:00
  you
• 11:01
  know,
• 11:01
  when
• 11:01
  he
• 11:02
  came
• 11:02
  out
• 11:02
  and
• 11:02
  he
• 11:03
  finally
• 11:03
  retired.
• 11:03
  So
• 11:03
  he
• 11:04
  retired
• 11:04
  twice
• 11:04
  at
• 11:04
  the
• 11:05
  end
• 11:05
  of
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  64
• 11:05
  season.
• 11:06
  He
• 11:06
  retired
• 11:07
  actually
• 11:07
  three
• 11:07
  times
• 11:08
  at
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  end
• 11:08
  of
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  65
• 11:09
  season
• 11:09
  because
• 11:09
  he
• 11:09
  got
• 11:09
  reactivated
• 11:10
  in
• 11:10
  65.
• 11:11
  He
• 11:11
  got
• 11:11
  reactivated
• 11:12
  again
• 11:12
  in
• 11:12
  66.
• 11:13
  He
• 11:13
  finally
• 11:14
  retired
• 11:14
  in
• 11:14
  66,
• 11:15
  which
• 11:15
  made
• 11:15
  him
• 11:16
  eligible
• 11:17
  for
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  hall
• 11:17
  of
• 11:17
  Fame
• 11:18
  at
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  same
• 11:18
  time
• 11:19
  that
• 11:19
  Sandy
• 11:19
  Koufax
• 11:20
  was
• 11:20
  eligible
• 11:20
  for
• 11:20
  the
• 11:20
  hall
• 11:21
  of
• 11:21
  Fame
• 11:21
  because
• 11:21
  he
• 11:21
  also
• 11:21
  retired
• 11:22
  at
• 11:22
  the
• 11:22
  end
• 11:22
  of
• 11:22
  the
• 11:22
  66
• 11:23
  season.
• 11:23
  So
• 11:24
  it's
• 11:24
  easy
• 11:24
  to
• 11:24
  think
• 11:25
  that
• 11:25
  he
• 11:25
  got
• 11:25
  overlooked
• 11:26
  a
• 11:26
  little
• 11:26
  bit.
• 11:27
  But
• 11:27
  I'll
• 11:27
  say
• 11:27
  this
• 11:27
  about
• 11:28
  those
• 11:28
  four
• 11:28
  World
• 11:29
  Series.
• 11:29
  He's
• 11:30
  the
• 11:30
  only
• 11:30
  player
• 11:30
  in
• 11:31
  Dodger
• 11:31
  history
• 11:32
  to
• 11:32
  appear
• 11:33
  in
• 11:33
  four
• 11:34
  World
• 11:34
  Series
• 11:35
  winners
• 11:35
  for
• 11:35
  the
• 11:36
  Dodgers.
• 11:36
  Koufax
• 11:37
  was
• 11:37
  on
• 11:37
  the
• 11:37
  roster
• 11:38
  in
• 11:38
  55,
• 11:39
  but
• 11:39
  he
• 11:39
  didn't
• 11:39
  play
• 11:39
  in
• 11:39
  that
• 11:40
  Series.
• 11:40
  Johnny
• 11:41
  Padres
• 11:41
  was
• 11:41
  actually
• 11:42
  still
• 11:42
  on
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  roster
• 11:42
  in
• 11:43
  65,
• 11:44
  but
• 11:44
  didn't
• 11:44
  play
• 11:45
  in
• 11:45
  that
• 11:45
  World
• 11:45
  Series.
• 11:46
  Gilliam
• 11:46
  was
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  only
• 11:47
  one
• 11:47
  to
• 11:48
  play
• 11:48
  in
• 11:48
  55,
• 11:49
  59,
• 11:50
  63
• 11:51
  and
• 11:51
  65.
• 11:52
  I
• 11:53
  don't
• 11:53
  know
• 11:53
  if
• 11:53
  Ted
• 11:54
  Williams
• 11:54
  was
• 11:54
  on
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  committee
• 11:58
  to
• 11:59
  bring
• 11:59
  Jim
• 11:59
  Gilliam
• 12:00
  into
• 12:00
  the
• 12:01
  hall
• 12:01
  of
• 12:01
  Fame,
• 12:03
  or
• 12:03
  is
• 12:03
  that
• 12:04
  just
• 12:04
  a
• 12:05
  writer's
• 12:05
  ballot,
• 12:06
  then?
• 12:06
  I
• 12:06
  don't
• 12:06
  think
• 12:07
  he
• 12:07
  was
• 12:07
  ever
• 12:07
  considered
• 12:08
  by
• 12:08
  a
• 12:08
  veterans
• 12:09
  committee,
• 12:09
  was
• 12:10
  he?
• 12:11
  To
• 12:11
  the
• 12:11
  best
• 12:11
  of
• 12:12
  my
• 12:12
  knowledge,
• 12:12
  no.
• 12:12
  And
• 12:13
  I
• 12:13
  interviewed
• 12:13
  some
• 12:14
  people,
• 12:14
  some
• 12:15
  writers,
• 12:15
  national
• 12:16
  writers
• 12:16
  like
• 12:16
  Jay
• 12:16
  Jaffe
• 12:17
  and
• 12:17
  Adam
• 12:17
  Galowski,
• 12:18
  that
• 12:19
  write
• 12:19
  a
• 12:20
  lot
• 12:20
  about
• 12:20
  this
• 12:20
  stuff,
• 12:21
  and
• 12:21
  they've
• 12:21
  done
• 12:21
  a
• 12:21
  lot
• 12:22
  of
• 12:22
  archival
• 12:22
  research
• 12:23
  and
• 12:24
  trying
• 12:24
  to
• 12:24
  compare
• 12:25
  players
• 12:26
  from
• 12:26
  different
• 12:26
  eras
• 12:27
  and
• 12:27
  that
• 12:27
  sort
• 12:27
  of
• 12:28
  thing.
• 12:28
  And
• 12:29
  both
• 12:29
  of
• 12:30
  them
• 12:30
  are
• 12:30
  just
• 12:31
  surprised
• 12:31
  that
• 12:32
  Jim
• 12:32
  Gilliam
• 12:33
  never
• 12:33
  received
• 12:33
  a
• 12:34
  single
• 12:34
  vote
• 12:34
  for
• 12:34
  the
• 12:34
  hall
• 12:34
  of
• 12:35
  Fame.
• 12:35
  In
• 12:35
  fact,
• 12:35
  Jay
• 12:35
  Jaffe
• 12:36
  called
• 12:36
  it
• 12:36
  one
• 12:36
  of
• 12:36
  the
• 12:36
  biggest
• 12:37
  slights.
• 12:37
  The
• 12:38
  other
• 12:38
  person
• 12:38
  that
• 12:39
  I
• 12:39
  would
• 12:39
  put
• 12:39
  right
• 12:39
  up
• 12:40
  there
• 12:40
  with
• 12:40
  that
• 12:40
  is
• 12:40
  longtime
• 12:41
  Los
• 12:41
  Angeles
• 12:42
  Dodger
• 12:42
  outfielder
• 12:42
  Willie
• 12:43
  Davis,
• 12:44
  who
• 12:44
  played
• 12:44
  throughout
• 12:45
  the
• 12:45
  60s
• 12:45
  and
• 12:45
  70s.
• 12:46
  He
• 12:46
  never
• 12:46
  received
• 12:47
  the
• 12:48
  hall
• 12:48
  of
• 12:48
  Fame
• 12:48
  vote,
• 12:49
  and
• 12:49
  he's
• 12:50
  top
• 12:50
  10
• 12:50
  in
• 12:50
  a
• 12:51
  bunch
• 12:51
  of
• 12:51
  Dodger
• 12:52
  career
• 12:52
  statistics
• 12:53
  as
• 12:53
  well,
• 12:53
  and
• 12:53
  was
• 12:53
  an
• 12:53
  integral
• 12:54
  part
• 12:54
  of
• 12:54
  those
• 12:55
  World
• 12:55
  series
• 12:56
  teams
• 12:56
  in
• 12:56
  63,
• 12:57
  65,
• 12:57
  66.
• 12:58
  A
• 12:58
  great
• 12:58
  outfielder,
• 12:59
  Willie
• 12:59
  Davis,
• 13:00
  folks,
• 13:00
  you
• 13:00
  can
• 13:00
  Google
• 13:01
  him.
• 13:01
  Take
• 13:01
  a
• 13:01
  look
• 13:02
  at
• 13:02
  Willie
• 13:02
  Davis
• 13:03
  career,
• 13:03
  great
• 13:03
  center
• 13:04
  fielder.
• 13:05
  Now,
• 13:05
  I
• 13:05
  had
• 13:06
  always
• 13:06
  heard,
• 13:06
  Steve,
• 13:07
  that
• 13:08
  on
• 13:09
  the
• 13:09
  veterans,
• 13:09
  there
• 13:10
  was
• 13:10
  only
• 13:10
  one
• 13:10
  veterans
• 13:11
  committee
• 13:12
  a
• 13:12
  while
• 13:12
  ago
• 13:13
  when
• 13:13
  Ted
• 13:13
  served
• 13:14
  on
• 13:14
  it.
• 13:14
  But
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  had
• 13:15
  always
• 13:15
  heard
• 13:16
  that
• 13:16
  there
• 13:16
  was
• 13:16
  a
• 13:16
  feeling
• 13:18
  that
• 13:18
  there
• 13:18
  were
• 13:19
  too
• 13:19
  many
• 13:19
  Brooklyn
• 13:19
  Dodgers
• 13:20
  in
• 13:20
  the
• 13:20
  Baseball
• 13:21
  hall
• 13:21
  of
• 13:21
  Fame.
• 13:23
  This
• 13:23
  always
• 13:24
  kept
• 13:25
  Gil
• 13:25
  Hodges
• 13:25
  out
• 13:26
  as
• 13:26
  well,
• 13:26
  because
• 13:26
  the
• 13:27
  overwhelming
• 13:28
  feeling
• 13:29
  was
• 13:29
  that
• 13:30
  there's
• 13:30
  too
• 13:30
  many
• 13:30
  of
• 13:30
  those
• 13:31
  guys
• 13:31
  in
• 13:31
  the
• 13:31
  hall
• 13:31
  of
• 13:32
  Fame
• 13:32
  now.
• 13:34
  Yeah,
• 13:34
  I
• 13:34
  mean,
• 13:35
  you
• 13:35
  know,
• 13:35
  Carl
• 13:35
  Erskine,
• 13:36
  before
• 13:36
  he
• 13:36
  passed
• 13:36
  away,
• 13:37
  I
• 13:37
  think,
• 13:37
  you
• 13:37
  know,
• 13:37
  he
• 13:37
  was
• 13:38
  quoted
• 13:38
  a
• 13:38
  lot
• 13:38
  by
• 13:38
  saying,
• 13:39
  well,
• 13:39
  we
• 13:39
  should
• 13:40
  put
• 13:40
  the
• 13:40
  entire
• 13:40
  53
• 13:41
  team
• 13:41
  because
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  53
• 13:42
  team
• 13:42
  was
• 13:42
  so
• 13:43
  good
• 13:43
  at
• 13:43
  the
• 13:43
  beginning.
• 13:44
  We
• 13:44
  should
• 13:44
  put
• 13:44
  the
• 13:44
  entire
• 13:45
  53
• 13:45
  team
• 13:45
  in
• 13:45
  the
• 13:45
  hall
• 13:46
  of
• 13:46
  Fame
• 13:46
  or
• 13:46
  put
• 13:46
  the
• 13:47
  55
• 13:47
  team
• 13:47
  in
• 13:47
  there.
• 13:48
  They
• 13:48
  all
• 13:48
  deserved
• 13:49
  it,
• 13:49
  and
• 13:49
  Gil
• 13:50
  Hodges
• 13:50
  absolutely
• 13:51
  deserved
• 13:51
  it.
• 13:51
  Carl
• 13:52
  Erskine's
• 13:52
  not
• 13:52
  in
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  hall
• 13:53
  of
• 13:53
  Fame.
• 13:53
  No.
• 13:54
  You
• 13:54
  know,
• 13:54
  so
• 13:55
  there
• 13:56
  are.
• 13:56
  Yeah,
• 13:57
  you
• 13:57
  look
• 13:57
  at
• 13:57
  that
• 13:58
  and
• 13:58
  there's
• 13:58
  what,
• 13:59
  six
• 13:59
  Dodgers,
• 14:00
  Campanella,
• 14:01
  Robinson,
• 14:02
  Snyder,
• 14:03
  Reese,
• 14:04
  Hodges,
• 14:05
  Koufax,
• 14:06
  if
• 14:06
  we
• 14:06
  want
• 14:06
  to
• 14:06
  count
• 14:06
  Koufax
• 14:07
  in
• 14:07
  there.
• 14:08
  Yeah.
• 14:09
  I
• 14:09
  mean,
• 14:09
  from
• 14:09
  that
• 14:10
  55
• 14:10
  team,
• 14:10
  there's
• 14:11
  quite
• 14:11
  a
• 14:11
  few.
• 14:12
  Exactly.
• 14:12
  Yeah.
• 14:13
  There's
• 14:14
  a
• 14:14
  good
• 14:14
  case
• 14:15
  right
• 14:16
  there.
• 14:16
  Steve.
• 14:16
  Steve
• 14:17
  Dittmore
• 14:17
  with
• 14:17
  us
• 14:17
  tonight.
• 14:18
  Jim
• 14:18
  Gilliam
• 14:19
  is
• 14:19
  the
• 14:19
  topic.
• 14:20
  Now,
• 14:20
  he
• 14:20
  was
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  only
• 14:21
  player
• 14:21
  in
• 14:21
  baseball
• 14:22
  history
• 14:22
  to
• 14:23
  hit
• 14:23
  a
• 14:23
  homer
• 14:23
  in
• 14:24
  the
• 14:24
  Negro
• 14:24
  League's
• 14:25
  East
• 14:25
  West
• 14:25
  All
• 14:26
  Star
• 14:26
  Game.
• 14:26
  And
• 14:27
  in
• 14:27
  the
• 14:27
  Major
• 14:27
  League
• 14:28
  All
• 14:28
  Star
• 14:28
  Game.
• 14:29
  Now
• 14:29
  there's
• 14:29
  a
• 14:29
  stat.
• 14:31
  Yeah.
• 14:31
  And
• 14:31
  you
• 14:32
  know,
• 14:32
  I
• 14:32
  stumbled
• 14:33
  upon
• 14:33
  that
• 14:33
  and
• 14:33
  I
• 14:34
  double
• 14:34
  triple
• 14:35
  checked
• 14:35
  myself
• 14:35
  to
• 14:35
  make
• 14:36
  sure
• 14:36
  that
• 14:36
  was
• 14:36
  the
• 14:36
  case
• 14:37
  before
• 14:37
  I
• 14:37
  put
• 14:37
  it
• 14:38
  in
• 14:38
  print.
• 14:38
  But
• 14:39
  it
• 14:39
  is.
• 14:39
  I
• 14:39
  mean,
• 14:40
  you
• 14:40
  think
• 14:40
  about
• 14:41
  the
• 14:41
  other
• 14:41
  players
• 14:42
  that
• 14:42
  were
• 14:42
  hitting
• 14:42
  home
• 14:42
  runs
• 14:43
  in
• 14:43
  the
• 14:43
  Negro
• 14:43
  Leagues
• 14:44
  East
• 14:44
  West
• 14:44
  All
• 14:44
  Star
• 14:45
  game
• 14:45
  in
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  40s,
• 14:45
  people
• 14:46
  like
• 14:46
  Buck
• 14:46
  Leonard,
• 14:46
  Josh
• 14:47
  Gibson
• 14:47
  and
• 14:47
  those
• 14:47
  types
• 14:48
  of.
• 14:49
  They
• 14:49
  don't.
• 14:50
  They
• 14:50
  never
• 14:50
  had
• 14:51
  a
• 14:51
  chance
• 14:51
  to
• 14:51
  play
• 14:51
  in
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  majors.
• 14:52
  And
• 14:52
  then
• 14:52
  you
• 14:53
  look
• 14:53
  at
• 14:53
  other
• 14:53
  players
• 14:54
  from
• 14:54
  the
• 14:54
  late
• 14:54
  forties
• 14:55
  in
• 14:55
  the
• 14:55
  Negro
• 14:56
  Leagues
• 14:56
  that
• 14:56
  did
• 14:56
  go
• 14:57
  into
• 14:57
  the
• 14:57
  majors.
• 14:57
  Guys
• 14:57
  like
• 14:58
  Hank
• 14:58
  Aaron,
• 14:59
  Ernie
• 14:59
  Banks,
• 15:00
  Willie
• 15:00
  Mays.
• 15:01
  They
• 15:01
  never
• 15:01
  homered
• 15:02
  in
• 15:02
  the
• 15:02
  East
• 15:02
  West
• 15:02
  All
• 15:03
  Star
• 15:03
  Game.
• 15:03
  So
• 15:03
  Gilliam
• 15:04
  in
• 15:04
  1950
• 15:05
  hits
• 15:05
  one
• 15:06
  off
• 15:06
  of
• 15:06
  Vibert
• 15:07
  Clark,
• 15:07
  who
• 15:07
  was
• 15:07
  a
• 15:08
  member
• 15:08
  of
• 15:08
  the
• 15:08
  Memphis
• 15:08
  team.
• 15:09
  And
• 15:10
  in
• 15:11
  1959,
• 15:12
  in
• 15:12
  the
• 15:12
  Los
• 15:12
  Angeles
• 15:13
  Coliseum,
• 15:14
  he
• 15:14
  hits
• 15:14
  one
• 15:14
  off
• 15:14
  a
• 15:14
  Baltimore
• 15:15
  Orioles
• 15:15
  pitcher.
• 15:15
  Billy
• 15:16
  Odell
• 15:17
  lost
• 15:17
  one
• 15:18
  over
• 15:18
  the
• 15:18
  screen
• 15:19
  in
• 15:19
  Los
• 15:19
  Angeles
• 15:20
  Memorial
• 15:20
  Coliseum.
• 15:21
  And
• 15:22
  he's
• 15:22
  the
• 15:22
  only
• 15:22
  person
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  do
• 15:23
  that.
• 15:24
  That
• 15:24
  is
• 15:24
  amazing.
• 15:25
  That
• 15:26
  is
• 15:26
  an
• 15:26
  amazing
• 15:27
  statistic.
• 15:28
  And
• 15:28
  I'm
• 15:29
  so
• 15:29
  glad
• 15:29
  that
• 15:29
  you
• 15:29
  added
• 15:30
  that
• 15:30
  into
• 15:30
  the
• 15:30
  book
• 15:31
  because
• 15:31
  I'd
• 15:32
  love
• 15:32
  to
• 15:32
  be
• 15:32
  able
• 15:33
  to
• 15:33
  tell
• 15:33
  people
• 15:33
  that
• 15:34
  is
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  great
• 15:35
  statistic
• 15:36
  now.
• 15:36
  And
• 15:37
  the
• 15:37
  funny
• 15:37
  thing
• 15:37
  is,
• 15:37
  he
• 15:38
  wasn't
• 15:38
  a
• 15:38
  home
• 15:38
  run
• 15:38
  hitter.
• 15:39
  That's
• 15:39
  the
• 15:39
  other
• 15:39
  ironic.
• 15:40
  I
• 15:40
  think
• 15:40
  he
• 15:40
  hit
• 15:40
  like
• 15:41
  65,
• 15:41
  67
• 15:42
  career
• 15:42
  home
• 15:43
  runs
• 15:43
  in
• 15:43
  the
• 15:43
  majors.
• 15:44
  So.
• 15:44
  Yeah,
• 15:45
  that
• 15:45
  is
• 15:45
  wonderful.
• 15:46
  Now,
• 15:47
  Jackie
• 15:47
  always
• 15:48
  talked
• 15:48
  about
• 15:50
  having
• 15:50
  a
• 15:50
  black
• 15:51
  face
• 15:51
  in
• 15:51
  the
• 15:51
  third
• 15:51
  base
• 15:52
  coaching
• 15:52
  box.
• 15:53
  Now,
• 15:54
  Jim
• 15:54
  Gilliam
• 15:55
  was
• 15:55
  the
• 15:55
  first
• 15:55
  black
• 15:56
  base
• 15:56
  coach
• 15:57
  in
• 15:57
  Major
• 15:57
  League
• 15:58
  Baseball
• 15:58
  history.
• 15:59
  There's
• 15:59
  another
• 15:59
  great
• 15:59
  piece
• 16:00
  of
• 16:00
  trivia
• 16:00
  for
• 16:01
  people
• 16:01
  to
• 16:01
  use.
• 16:02
  That
• 16:02
  is
• 16:03
  great.
• 16:03
  Now
• 16:04
  it's
• 16:05
  surprising
• 16:05
  that
• 16:05
  there
• 16:06
  were
• 16:06
  none
• 16:06
  other.
• 16:08
  Yeah,
• 16:08
  you
• 16:08
  know,
• 16:08
  he's
• 16:09
  only
• 16:09
  the
• 16:09
  third
• 16:09
  black
• 16:10
  coach
• 16:10
  in
• 16:10
  major
• 16:10
  league
• 16:11
  history.
• 16:11
  So
• 16:13
  Buck
• 16:13
  o'
• 16:13
  Neill
• 16:13
  and
• 16:14
  Gene
• 16:14
  Baker
• 16:14
  were
• 16:15
  both
• 16:15
  coaches
• 16:16
  prior
• 16:17
  to
• 16:17
  Gilliam
• 16:18
  being
• 16:18
  named
• 16:18
  coach
• 16:19
  after
• 16:19
  the
• 16:19
  64
• 16:20
  season
• 16:20
  ended.
• 16:21
  So
• 16:21
  Gilliam,
• 16:22
  Gilliam
• 16:23
  was
• 16:23
  kind
• 16:23
  of
• 16:24
  forced
• 16:24
  into
• 16:24
  retirement
• 16:25
  by
• 16:25
  the
• 16:25
  Dodgers.
• 16:25
  He
• 16:25
  had
• 16:26
  statistically
• 16:26
  his
• 16:26
  worst
• 16:27
  season
• 16:27
  of
• 16:27
  his
• 16:27
  career
• 16:28
  in
• 16:28
  1964.
• 16:29
  There's
• 16:29
  no
• 16:29
  doubt.
• 16:29
  The
• 16:29
  Dodgers
• 16:30
  slumped
• 16:30
  tremendously
• 16:31
  after
• 16:31
  sweeping
• 16:32
  The
• 16:32
  Yankees
• 16:32
  in
• 16:32
  63
• 16:34
  in
• 16:34
  the
• 16:34
  world
• 16:34
  Series.
• 16:35
  And
• 16:35
  Gilliam
• 16:36
  was
• 16:36
  an
• 16:36
  integral
• 16:36
  part
• 16:37
  of
• 16:37
  those
• 16:37
  teams.
• 16:37
  He
• 16:38
  scored
• 16:38
  the
• 16:38
  winning
• 16:38
  run
• 16:38
  in
• 16:38
  the
• 16:39
  deciding
• 16:39
  game,
• 16:40
  and
• 16:41
  Gilliam
• 16:42
  has
• 16:43
  a
• 16:43
  poor
• 16:43
  season
• 16:43
  in
• 16:43
  64.
• 16:44
  The
• 16:44
  Dodgers
• 16:45
  had
• 16:45
  Leo
• 16:45
  Durocher
• 16:46
  as
• 16:46
  a
• 16:46
  coach.
• 16:47
  Leo
• 16:47
  Durocher
• 16:48
  was
• 16:48
  going
• 16:48
  to
• 16:48
  move
• 16:48
  on
• 16:48
  from
• 16:49
  that
• 16:49
  role.
• 16:49
  And
• 16:49
  so
• 16:49
  the
• 16:50
  Dodgers
• 16:50
  said,
• 16:51
  we're
• 16:51
  going
• 16:51
  to
• 16:51
  make
• 16:51
  Gilliam
• 16:52
  our
• 16:52
  first
• 16:52
  base
• 16:52
  coach.
• 16:53
  And
• 16:53
  it
• 16:53
  wasn't
• 16:53
  even
• 16:53
  a
• 16:53
  big
• 16:54
  deal
• 16:54
  at
• 16:54
  that
• 16:54
  point
• 16:54
  in
• 16:54
  time,
• 16:55
  but
• 16:56
  Gene
• 16:56
  Baker
• 16:57
  with
• 16:57
  the
• 16:57
  Pirates,
• 16:57
  Buck
• 16:58
  o'
• 16:58
  Neill
• 16:58
  with
• 16:58
  the
• 16:58
  Cubs,
• 16:59
  that
• 16:59
  each
• 16:59
  spent
• 16:59
  one
• 17:00
  year
• 17:00
  as
• 17:00
  a
• 17:00
  bench
• 17:01
  coach
• 17:02
  with
• 17:02
  those
• 17:02
  teams,
• 17:03
  but
• 17:04
  they
• 17:04
  were
• 17:04
  never
• 17:04
  one
• 17:04
  of
• 17:04
  those
• 17:05
  that
• 17:05
  were
• 17:05
  on
• 17:05
  the
• 17:05
  field.
• 17:06
  You
• 17:06
  know,
• 17:06
  you
• 17:06
  cited
• 17:06
  Jackie
• 17:07
  Robinson
• 17:07
  talking
• 17:07
  about
• 17:08
  a
• 17:08
  black
• 17:08
  face
• 17:08
  in
• 17:08
  the
• 17:09
  third
• 17:09
  base
• 17:09
  coaching
• 17:09
  box.
• 17:11
  Gilliam
• 17:11
  was
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  first
• 17:11
  blackface
• 17:12
  to
• 17:12
  be
• 17:13
  on
• 17:13
  the
• 17:13
  field
• 17:13
  as
• 17:14
  a
• 17:14
  coach,
• 17:15
  and
• 17:15
  he
• 17:15
  did
• 17:15
  that.
• 17:15
  And
• 17:16
  he
• 17:16
  held
• 17:16
  that
• 17:16
  role
• 17:16
  from
• 17:17
  on
• 17:18
  and
• 17:18
  off.
• 17:18
  65,
• 17:19
  66
• 17:20
  those
• 17:20
  first
• 17:20
  two
• 17:20
  seasons
• 17:21
  until
• 17:21
  full
• 17:21
  time
• 17:22
  in
• 17:22
  67
• 17:23
  through
• 17:23
  his
• 17:24
  death
• 17:24
  in
• 17:24
  1978.
• 17:26
  Now,
• 17:26
  you
• 17:27
  know
• 17:27
  a
• 17:28
  lot
• 17:28
  about
• 17:28
  the
• 17:28
  Dodgers.
• 17:29
  Maybe
• 17:29
  it's
• 17:29
  through
• 17:29
  your
• 17:30
  research,
• 17:31
  Steve,
• 17:31
  but
• 17:32
  did
• 17:32
  you
• 17:33
  grow
• 17:33
  up
• 17:33
  a
• 17:33
  Dodger
• 17:33
  fan?
• 17:35
  I
• 17:35
  did.
• 17:35
  I
• 17:35
  was
• 17:35
  born
• 17:36
  in
• 17:36
  Redondo
• 17:36
  Beach,
• 17:37
  California
• 17:37
  in
• 17:38
  the
• 17:38
  late
• 17:38
  60s
• 17:39
  and
• 17:39
  grew
• 17:40
  up
• 17:40
  watching
• 17:40
  the
• 17:41
  1970s
• 17:41
  Dodgers.
• 17:42
  And
• 17:42
  that
• 17:42
  was
• 17:42
  what
• 17:43
  got
• 17:43
  me
• 17:43
  hooked.
• 17:43
  Ah,
• 17:44
  okay.
• 17:44
  So
• 17:45
  Ron
• 17:45
  Fairley,
• 17:46
  as
• 17:46
  you
• 17:46
  say,
• 17:47
  Willie
• 17:47
  Davis,
• 17:48
  guys
• 17:48
  like
• 17:49
  that.
• 17:49
  Yeah,
• 17:50
  those
• 17:51
  guys,
• 17:51
  those
• 17:51
  guys
• 17:51
  preceded
• 17:52
  me
• 17:52
  a
• 17:52
  little
• 17:52
  bit.
• 17:52
  I
• 17:53
  was
• 17:53
  more
• 17:53
  on
• 17:53
  the.
• 17:53
  The
• 17:54
  Steve
• 17:54
  Garvey
• 17:55
  runs.
• 17:57
  Yeah,
• 17:57
  you
• 17:57
  see,
• 17:57
  I
• 17:58
  grew
• 17:58
  up
• 17:58
  with
• 17:58
  Wes
• 17:58
  Parker
• 17:59
  and
• 17:59
  guys
• 17:59
  like
• 18:00
  that
• 18:00
  in
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  7
• 18:02
  70s,
• 18:03
  early
• 18:03
  70s,
• 18:04
  late
• 18:04
  60s.
• 18:05
  So
• 18:05
  we're
• 18:06
  a
• 18:06
  little
• 18:06
  bit
• 18:07
  off
• 18:07
  in
• 18:07
  age,
• 18:08
  but
• 18:09
  great.
• 18:10
  Well,
• 18:10
  I
• 18:10
  talked
• 18:10
  to.
• 18:10
  I
• 18:11
  interviewed
• 18:11
  Wes
• 18:11
  Parker
• 18:12
  for
• 18:12
  this.
• 18:12
  He
• 18:12
  was
• 18:12
  tremendous.
• 18:13
  He
• 18:13
  had
• 18:14
  some
• 18:14
  great
• 18:14
  stories
• 18:14
  to
• 18:15
  tell
• 18:15
  about
• 18:15
  Jim
• 18:15
  Gilliam.
• 18:16
  Really
• 18:16
  liked
• 18:17
  him
• 18:17
  as
• 18:17
  an
• 18:17
  individual.
• 18:19
  Was
• 18:19
  part
• 18:19
  of
• 18:19
  that
• 18:19
  all
• 18:20
  switch
• 18:20
  hitting
• 18:20
  infield
• 18:21
  in
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  1965
• 18:22
  season
• 18:22
  with
• 18:23
  Jim
• 18:23
  Lefever
• 18:23
  and
• 18:23
  Maury
• 18:24
  Wills
• 18:25
  and
• 18:25
  then
• 18:25
  those
• 18:26
  two.
• 18:26
  One
• 18:27
  of
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  two
• 18:28
  Dodgers
• 18:29
  to
• 18:30
  be
• 18:30
  on
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  Brady
• 18:31
  Bunch
• 18:31
  as
• 18:31
  well.
• 18:31
  Steve,
• 18:32
  don't
• 18:32
  forget
• 18:32
  that.
• 18:33
  That's
• 18:33
  an
• 18:33
  important
• 18:34
  piece
• 18:34
  right
• 18:34
  there
• 18:34
  too.
• 18:36
  Drysdale,
• 18:36
  the
• 18:36
  other
• 18:36
  one.
• 18:37
  Yes,
• 18:37
  Drysdale,
• 18:38
  who
• 18:39
  on
• 18:39
  Leave
• 18:40
  it
• 18:40
  to
• 18:40
  Beaver
• 18:40
  and
• 18:41
  a
• 18:41
  couple
• 18:41
  of
• 18:41
  other
• 18:41
  shows.
• 18:43
  And
• 18:43
  that's
• 18:44
  another
• 18:44
  great
• 18:44
  piece
• 18:45
  of
• 18:46
  trivia,
• 18:46
  but
• 18:46
  we'll
• 18:46
  leave
• 18:47
  that
• 18:47
  alone
• 18:47
  for
• 18:47
  now.
• 18:48
  Now,
• 18:48
  Jim
• 18:49
  Gilliam,
• 18:50
  as
• 18:50
  you
• 18:50
  mentioned,
• 18:51
  top
• 18:51
  10
• 18:51
  in
• 18:52
  Dodgers
• 18:52
  all
• 18:52
  time
• 18:54
  categories.
• 18:56
  Yeah.
• 18:57
  Yep.
• 18:58
  Now
• 18:59
  he's
• 18:59
  there.
• 18:59
  Oh,
• 19:00
  God.
• 19:00
  Go
• 19:00
  ahead.
• 19:00
  I'm
• 19:00
  sorry.
• 19:01
  Yeah,
• 19:01
  I
• 19:01
  just
• 19:01
  wanted
• 19:01
  to
• 19:02
  know
• 19:02
  if
• 19:02
  you
• 19:02
  know
• 19:03
  some
• 19:03
  of
• 19:03
  the.
• 19:03
  The
• 19:04
  categories
• 19:04
  where
• 19:04
  he's
• 19:06
  the
• 19:07
  end
• 19:07
  there.
• 19:08
  Well,
• 19:09
  I
• 19:09
  mean,
• 19:09
  he's
• 19:09
  going
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  be
• 19:10
  top
• 19:10
  10
• 19:10
  in
• 19:11
  plate
• 19:11
  appearances,
• 19:12
  run
• 19:12
  scored,
• 19:13
  walks,
• 19:15
  games
• 19:16
  played,
• 19:17
  things
• 19:17
  of
• 19:17
  that
• 19:17
  nature,
• 19:18
  overall
• 19:18
  hits.
• 19:19
  But
• 19:19
  you
• 19:19
  know,
• 19:19
  he
• 19:20
  didn't
• 19:20
  hit
• 19:20
  for
• 19:20
  a
• 19:20
  ton
• 19:20
  of
• 19:21
  power.
• 19:22
  He
• 19:23
  had
• 19:23
  a
• 19:23
  really
• 19:23
  good
• 19:25
  bat
• 19:25
  to
• 19:25
  ball
• 19:25
  skills.
• 19:26
  So
• 19:26
  he
• 19:26
  walked
• 19:27
  quite
• 19:27
  a
• 19:27
  bit.
• 19:27
  Walked
• 19:28
  about
• 19:28
  twice
• 19:28
  as
• 19:29
  much
• 19:29
  as
• 19:29
  he
• 19:29
  struck
• 19:29
  out.
• 19:29
  So
• 19:29
  he
• 19:30
  had
• 19:30
  really
• 19:30
  good
• 19:30
  eye
• 19:30
  at
• 19:30
  the
• 19:31
  plate.
• 19:33
  You
• 19:33
  know,
• 19:33
  he,
• 19:34
  I
• 19:34
  mentioned
• 19:34
  position
• 19:35
  player
• 19:35
  WAR.
• 19:35
  I
• 19:35
  think
• 19:35
  he's
• 19:36
  tied
• 19:36
  for
• 19:36
  8th
• 19:37
  with
• 19:37
  a
• 19:37
  career
• 19:38
  position
• 19:38
  player
• 19:38
  WAR
• 19:39
  of
• 19:39
  40
• 19:39
  point
• 19:40
  something,
• 19:41
  40.7,
• 19:41
  I
• 19:42
  believe
• 19:42
  off
• 19:42
  the
• 19:42
  top
• 19:42
  of
• 19:42
  my
• 19:43
  head
• 19:43
  for
• 19:43
  Gilliam.
• 19:44
  So
• 19:45
  he,
• 19:45
  he's
• 19:46
  in
• 19:46
  a
• 19:46
  lot
• 19:46
  of
• 19:46
  those
• 19:46
  categories.
• 19:47
  He's
• 19:47
  not
• 19:47
  in
• 19:47
  the
• 19:47
  RBI's
• 19:48
  category,
• 19:49
  he's
• 19:49
  not
• 19:49
  in
• 19:49
  the
• 19:49
  home
• 19:49
  runs
• 19:50
  category,
• 19:50
  extra
• 19:51
  base
• 19:51
  hits,
• 19:51
  slugging
• 19:52
  percentage,
• 19:52
  some
• 19:52
  of
• 19:52
  those
• 19:52
  things.
• 19:53
  But
• 19:53
  he
• 19:53
  did
• 19:53
  a
• 19:53
  lot
• 19:54
  of
• 19:54
  the
• 19:54
  little
• 19:54
  things
• 19:54
  to
• 19:55
  help
• 19:55
  the
• 19:55
  Dodgers
• 19:55
  win.
• 19:55
  And
• 19:56
  I
• 19:56
  think
• 19:56
  that
• 19:56
  was
• 19:56
  one
• 19:56
  of
• 19:56
  the
• 19:57
  things
• 19:57
  that
• 19:58
  came
• 19:58
  through.
• 19:58
  And
• 19:59
  just
• 19:59
  about
• 19:59
  everybody
• 19:59
  I
• 19:59
  spoke
• 20:00
  with
• 20:00
  was
• 20:01
  that
• 20:01
  he
• 20:01
  was
• 20:01
  a
• 20:02
  high
• 20:03
  baseball
• 20:03
  IQ
• 20:04
  person,
• 20:04
  never
• 20:05
  made
• 20:05
  the
• 20:05
  wrong
• 20:05
  play,
• 20:06
  never
• 20:06
  went
• 20:06
  to
• 20:06
  the
• 20:06
  wrong
• 20:07
  base
• 20:07
  or
• 20:08
  threw
• 20:09
  inappropriately
• 20:10
  to
• 20:11
  try
• 20:11
  and
• 20:12
  do
• 20:12
  more
• 20:12
  than
• 20:12
  he
• 20:12
  could
• 20:13
  or
• 20:13
  more
• 20:13
  than
• 20:13
  the
• 20:13
  situation
• 20:14
  called
• 20:14
  for.
• 20:16
  And
• 20:16
  I
• 20:16
  think
• 20:16
  that's
• 20:17
  what
• 20:17
  really
• 20:18
  made
• 20:18
  him
• 20:18
  part
• 20:19
  of
• 20:19
  that
• 20:19
  glue
• 20:19
  for
• 20:20
  all
• 20:20
  of
• 20:20
  those
• 20:20
  teams.
• 20:21
  Because
• 20:22
  he
• 20:22
  started
• 20:23
  more
• 20:23
  opening
• 20:24
  days
• 20:24
  on
• 20:25
  the
• 20:25
  bench
• 20:25
  for
• 20:26
  the
• 20:26
  Dodgers.
• 20:26
  He
• 20:26
  was
• 20:27
  not
• 20:27
  in,
• 20:29
  in
• 20:29
  all
• 20:29
  that
• 20:29
  many
• 20:29
  opening
• 20:30
  day
• 20:30
  lineups.
• 20:30
  And
• 20:31
  he
• 20:31
  played
• 20:31
  third
• 20:31
  base,
• 20:32
  he
• 20:32
  played
• 20:32
  second
• 20:32
  base,
• 20:33
  he
• 20:33
  played
• 20:33
  left
• 20:33
  field.
• 20:33
  In
• 20:34
  fact,
• 20:34
  he
• 20:34
  logged
• 20:34
  innings
• 20:35
  at
• 20:36
  first
• 20:36
  base
• 20:36
  and
• 20:37
  in
• 20:37
  center
• 20:38
  field
• 20:38
  and
• 20:38
  in
• 20:38
  right
• 20:39
  field.
• 20:39
  So
• 20:39
  he
• 20:39
  played
• 20:40
  all
• 20:40
  over
• 20:40
  the
• 20:40
  diamond
• 20:41
  for
• 20:41
  the
• 20:41
  Dodgers.
• 20:41
  When
• 20:42
  you
• 20:42
  consider
• 20:42
  some
• 20:43
  of
• 20:43
  the
• 20:44
  players
• 20:44
  that
• 20:44
  have
• 20:45
  passed
• 20:45
  through
• 20:45
  the
• 20:45
  portals
• 20:46
  of
• 20:46
  the
• 20:47
  Dodger
• 20:47
  franchise,
• 20:49
  that
• 20:49
  is
• 20:49
  an
• 20:49
  amazing
• 20:50
  stat
• 20:50
  that
• 20:51
  Jim
• 20:51
  Gilliam
• 20:52
  is
• 20:52
  top
• 20:52
  10
• 20:52
  in
• 20:53
  several
• 20:53
  categories.
• 20:55
  That
• 20:55
  really
• 20:56
  is
• 20:56
  telling
• 20:56
  right
• 20:57
  there,
• 20:57
  Steve.
• 20:57
  Now
• 20:58
  I
• 20:59
  know
• 20:59
  the
• 20:59
  Dodgers,
• 21:00
  I
• 21:00
  believe
• 21:01
  that
• 21:01
  they
• 21:02
  wait
• 21:02
  until
• 21:02
  a
• 21:03
  player
• 21:03
  is
• 21:03
  in
• 21:03
  the
• 21:03
  hall
• 21:04
  of
• 21:04
  Fame
• 21:04
  before
• 21:04
  they
• 21:05
  retire
• 21:05
  their
• 21:05
  number.
• 21:06
  Is
• 21:06
  that
• 21:06
  correct?
• 21:08
  Well,
• 21:09
  that's
• 21:09
  kind
• 21:10
  of
• 21:10
  correct.
• 21:11
  For
• 21:13
  most
• 21:13
  of
• 21:14
  1980s,
• 21:15
  1990s,
• 21:15
  in
• 21:16
  that
• 21:16
  period
• 21:16
  of
• 21:16
  time,
• 21:18
  you
• 21:18
  know,
• 21:18
  they
• 21:18
  retired
• 21:19
  Gilliam's
• 21:19
  number
• 21:19
  when
• 21:20
  he
• 21:20
  passed
• 21:20
  away.
• 21:20
  They
• 21:20
  announced
• 21:21
  it
• 21:21
  at
• 21:21
  the
• 21:21
  funeral
• 21:22
  service
• 21:22
  on
• 21:22
  October
• 21:23
  10,
• 21:24
  1978.
• 21:24
  Yeah,
• 21:26
  and
• 21:28
  they
• 21:28
  did
• 21:28
  that.
• 21:28
  And
• 21:29
  I
• 21:29
  interviewed
• 21:29
  Peter
• 21:30
  O',
• 21:30
  Malley,
• 21:31
  Walter
• 21:31
  O'
• 21:31
  Malleys
• 21:32
  son,
• 21:32
  who
• 21:32
  was
• 21:33
  president
• 21:33
  of
• 21:33
  the
• 21:33
  Dodgers
• 21:34
  at
• 21:34
  that
• 21:34
  time.
• 21:35
  And
• 21:36
  you
• 21:36
  know,
• 21:36
  he
• 21:37
  makes
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  point.
• 21:37
  And
• 21:38
  this
• 21:38
  was
• 21:38
  a
• 21:39
  time
• 21:39
  when
• 21:39
  gil
• 21:39
  Hodges
• 21:39
  is
• 21:40
  14,
• 21:40
  wasn't
• 21:41
  retired.
• 21:41
  I
• 21:41
  interviewed
• 21:42
  O'
• 21:42
  Malley
• 21:42
  in
• 21:43
  2020
• 21:45
  as
• 21:45
  a
• 21:45
  part
• 21:45
  of
• 21:45
  this
• 21:45
  research
• 21:47
  and
• 21:48
  he
• 21:48
  told
• 21:48
  me,
• 21:48
  you
• 21:49
  know,
• 21:49
  we
• 21:49
  didn't
• 21:49
  think
• 21:49
  about
• 21:50
  that
• 21:50
  at
• 21:50
  that
• 21:50
  point
• 21:51
  in
• 21:51
  time.
• 21:51
  You
• 21:51
  got
• 21:51
  to
• 21:51
  understand
• 21:52
  the
• 21:52
  context.
• 21:53
  We
• 21:53
  looked
• 21:53
  at
• 21:53
  a
• 21:54
  guy
• 21:54
  that
• 21:54
  had
• 21:54
  been
• 21:55
  in
• 21:55
  the
• 21:55
  organization
• 21:56
  for
• 21:56
  27
• 21:57
  years
• 21:57
  was
• 21:57
  a
• 21:58
  company
• 21:58
  man
• 21:59
  that
• 21:59
  did
• 21:59
  everything
• 22:00
  that
• 22:00
  we
• 22:00
  wanted
• 22:01
  out
• 22:01
  of
• 22:01
  someone
• 22:01
  affiliated
• 22:02
  with
• 22:02
  the
• 22:02
  Dodgers
• 22:03
  organization.
• 22:04
  And
• 22:05
  at
• 22:06
  that
• 22:06
  point
• 22:06
  in
• 22:06
  time,
• 22:06
  the
• 22:07
  only
• 22:07
  Dodgers
• 22:08
  who
• 22:08
  had
• 22:08
  their
• 22:08
  numbers
• 22:09
  retired
• 22:09
  were
• 22:10
  Robinson,
• 22:10
  Campanella
• 22:11
  Koufax
• 22:12
  and
• 22:12
  Walter
• 22:12
  Alston,
• 22:13
  the
• 22:13
  manager
• 22:13
  from,
• 22:14
  you
• 22:14
  know,
• 22:14
  the
• 22:15
  mid-50s
• 22:15
  to
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  mid-70s.
• 22:17
  Right.
• 22:17
  Those
• 22:17
  were
• 22:17
  the
• 22:18
  only
• 22:18
  four,
• 22:18
  so
• 22:18
  there
• 22:18
  wasn't
• 22:19
  any
• 22:19
  precedent.
• 22:21
  The
• 22:21
  Dodgers
• 22:22
  retired
• 22:23
  Hodges
• 22:23
  number
• 22:24
  after
• 22:24
  he
• 22:24
  was
• 22:24
  elected
• 22:25
  to
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  hall
• 22:25
  of
• 22:25
  Fame,
• 22:26
  and
• 22:26
  they've
• 22:26
  subsequently
• 22:27
  retired
• 22:27
  Fernando
• 22:27
  Valenzuela's
• 22:28
  34,
• 22:29
  even
• 22:30
  though
• 22:30
  Fernando's
• 22:31
  not
• 22:31
  in
• 22:31
  the
• 22:31
  hall
• 22:31
  of
• 22:31
  Fame.
• 22:32
  So
• 22:32
  Gilliam
• 22:32
  and
• 22:32
  Fernando
• 22:33
  now
• 22:33
  are
• 22:33
  the
• 22:33
  two
• 22:34
  Dodger
• 22:34
  players
• 22:35
  to
• 22:35
  have
• 22:35
  their
• 22:35
  numbers
• 22:35
  retired.
• 22:36
  Not
• 22:36
  in
• 22:37
  Cooperstown,
• 22:37
  as
• 22:38
  you
• 22:38
  say,
• 22:38
  A
• 22:38
  company
• 22:39
  man
• 22:39
  who
• 22:40
  did
• 22:40
  a
• 22:40
  lot
• 22:40
  for
• 22:41
  the
• 22:41
  franchise.
• 22:42
  Sort
• 22:42
  of
• 22:42
  in
• 22:42
  the
• 22:43
  same
• 22:43
  vein
• 22:43
  as
• 22:44
  New,
• 22:44
  because
• 22:44
  Don
• 22:44
  Newcombe.
• 22:46
  Yeah,
• 22:46
  those
• 22:47
  guys,
• 22:47
  I
• 22:47
  mean,
• 22:47
  they
• 22:47
  played,
• 22:48
  you
• 22:48
  know,
• 22:49
  a
• 22:49
  lot
• 22:49
  of
• 22:49
  years
• 22:50
  together
• 22:52
  with
• 22:52
  the
• 22:52
  Dodgers
• 22:53
  organization.
• 22:53
  And
• 22:54
  then,
• 22:54
  yeah,
• 22:54
  Newcomb
• 22:55
  went
• 22:55
  on
• 22:55
  to
• 22:55
  work
• 22:56
  for
• 22:56
  the
• 22:56
  Dodgers
• 22:56
  organization
• 22:57
  for
• 22:57
  a
• 22:58
  number
• 22:58
  of
• 22:58
  years,
• 22:59
  even
• 22:59
  doing
• 22:59
  so
• 22:59
  after
• 23:00
  Gilliam
• 23:00
  passed
• 23:00
  away
• 23:01
  in
• 23:01
  the
• 23:01
  late
• 23:01
  70s.
• 23:01
  I
• 23:01
  think
• 23:02
  Newcomb
• 23:02
  was
• 23:02
  there
• 23:02
  in
• 23:02
  the
• 23:02
  80s
• 23:03
  and
• 23:03
  the
• 23:03
  90s,
• 23:03
  all
• 23:04
  the
• 23:04
  way
• 23:04
  up
• 23:04
  until
• 23:04
  his
• 23:04
  death,
• 23:05
  I
• 23:05
  think.
• 23:05
  Right,
• 23:05
  yes,
• 23:06
  yes.
• 23:06
  He
• 23:07
  was
• 23:07
  an
• 23:07
  integral
• 23:07
  part
• 23:08
  of
• 23:08
  the
• 23:08
  organization
• 23:09
  right
• 23:09
  until
• 23:09
  the
• 23:09
  end
• 23:10
  and
• 23:11
  a
• 23:11
  credit
• 23:11
  to
• 23:12
  the
• 23:12
  man.
• 23:12
  Now,
• 23:13
  Jim
• 23:13
  passes
• 23:14
  in
• 23:14
  1978
• 23:15
  as
• 23:15
  a
• 23:16
  result
• 23:16
  of
• 23:16
  a
• 23:16
  cerebral
• 23:17
  hemorrhage.
• 23:18
  What
• 23:18
  did
• 23:18
  Jim
• 23:19
  Gilliam
• 23:19
  do
• 23:20
  when
• 23:21
  he
• 23:21
  left
• 23:21
  the
• 23:21
  game?
• 23:23
  I
• 23:23
  mean,
• 23:24
  other
• 23:24
  than
• 23:24
  other
• 23:25
  than
• 23:25
  coach,
• 23:26
  you
• 23:26
  know,
• 23:26
  he
• 23:27
  did
• 23:27
  that
• 23:27
  during
• 23:27
  the
• 23:28
  season.
• 23:28
  In
• 23:28
  the
• 23:28
  offseason.
• 23:29
  He
• 23:29
  played
• 23:29
  a
• 23:29
  heck
• 23:29
  of
• 23:30
  a
• 23:30
  lot
• 23:30
  of
• 23:30
  golf,
• 23:30
  it
• 23:30
  seems
• 23:31
  like,
• 23:31
  from
• 23:31
  what
• 23:32
  I
• 23:32
  can
• 23:32
  understand.
• 23:32
  I
• 23:32
  did
• 23:33
  talk
• 23:33
  with
• 23:33
  his
• 23:34
  widow,
• 23:34
  Edwina,
• 23:35
  and
• 23:35
  a
• 23:36
  couple
• 23:36
  of
• 23:36
  two
• 23:36
  of
• 23:36
  his
• 23:36
  four
• 23:37
  children
• 23:37
  agreed
• 23:38
  to
• 23:38
  be
• 23:38
  interviewed.
• 23:39
  And,
• 23:40
  you
• 23:40
  know,
• 23:40
  he
• 23:40
  talked
• 23:40
  about
• 23:40
  how
• 23:41
  he
• 23:41
  liked
• 23:41
  to
• 23:41
  play
• 23:41
  golf.
• 23:42
  He
• 23:42
  got
• 23:42
  a
• 23:43
  job
• 23:43
  like
• 23:43
  a
• 23:43
  lot
• 23:43
  of
• 23:43
  players
• 23:44
  did
• 23:44
  in
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  off
• 23:45
  seasons,
• 23:46
  you
• 23:46
  know,
• 23:46
  got
• 23:47
  jobs
• 23:47
  outside
• 23:47
  of
• 23:48
  baseball.
• 23:48
  And
• 23:48
  so
• 23:48
  he
• 23:48
  worked
• 23:49
  as
• 23:49
  a
• 23:50
  spokesperson,
• 23:50
  salesperson
• 23:51
  for
• 23:51
  Hiram
• 23:52
  Walker
• 23:53
  Spirits
• 23:53
  in
• 23:54
  the
• 23:54
  Los
• 23:54
  Angeles
• 23:55
  area.
• 23:56
  Did
• 23:56
  quite
• 23:57
  a
• 23:57
  bit
• 23:57
  of
• 23:58
  community
• 23:58
  service
• 23:59
  work.
• 23:59
  I
• 23:59
  mean,
• 23:59
  I
• 23:59
  found
• 24:00
  plenty
• 24:00
  of
• 24:00
  instances
• 24:00
  where
• 24:01
  he
• 24:01
  would
• 24:01
  be
• 24:01
  appearing
• 24:02
  at
• 24:03
  a
• 24:03
  car
• 24:03
  dealership
• 24:04
  to
• 24:04
  sign
• 24:05
  autographs
• 24:05
  and
• 24:06
  things
• 24:06
  of
• 24:07
  that
• 24:07
  nature.
• 24:07
  So
• 24:07
  he
• 24:07
  was
• 24:08
  very
• 24:08
  visible
• 24:08
  in
• 24:08
  the
• 24:08
  community,
• 24:09
  put
• 24:09
  in
• 24:10
  a
• 24:10
  lot
• 24:10
  of
• 24:10
  those
• 24:11
  pro
• 24:11
  am
• 24:11
  golf
• 24:12
  tournaments
• 24:12
  that
• 24:13
  Los
• 24:14
  Angeles
• 24:14
  has,
• 24:14
  the
• 24:14
  Byron
• 24:15
  Nelson's
• 24:15
  and
• 24:15
  the
• 24:15
  other
• 24:16
  things
• 24:16
  like
• 24:16
  that
• 24:16
  that
• 24:16
  are
• 24:16
  in.
• 24:17
  In
• 24:17
  the
• 24:17
  Los
• 24:17
  Angeles
• 24:18
  area.
• 24:18
  I
• 24:19
  think
• 24:19
  Byron
• 24:19
  Nelson's
• 24:19
  there.
• 24:20
  I
• 24:20
  might
• 24:20
  be
• 24:20
  misspeaking
• 24:21
  on
• 24:21
  that.
• 24:21
  But,
• 24:21
  you
• 24:21
  know,
• 24:22
  those
• 24:22
  types
• 24:22
  of
• 24:22
  golf
• 24:23
  events
• 24:23
  that
• 24:23
  that
• 24:24
  occur,
• 24:25
  played
• 24:25
  a
• 24:26
  lot
• 24:26
  of
• 24:26
  that
• 24:26
  and,
• 24:27
  you
• 24:28
  know,
• 24:28
  really
• 24:28
  was
• 24:28
  just
• 24:29
  a
• 24:29
  baseball
• 24:29
  lifer.
• 24:30
  I
• 24:30
  mean,
• 24:30
  that's
• 24:30
  the
• 24:30
  only
• 24:30
  thing
• 24:30
  that
• 24:31
  he
• 24:31
  did.
• 24:31
  The
• 24:31
  only
• 24:31
  job
• 24:32
  that
• 24:32
  I
• 24:32
  could
• 24:32
  find
• 24:33
  that
• 24:33
  he
• 24:34
  had
• 24:34
  as
• 24:34
  a
• 24:34
  kid
• 24:34
  outside
• 24:35
  of
• 24:35
  baseball
• 24:35
  was
• 24:36
  he
• 24:36
  worked
• 24:36
  as
• 24:37
  a
• 24:37
  porter
• 24:38
  at
• 24:38
  the
• 24:38
  Woolworth
• 24:39
  store
• 24:39
  in
• 24:40
  Nashville,
• 24:41
  the
• 24:42
  one
• 24:42
  that
• 24:42
  subsequently
• 24:43
  became
• 24:43
  part
• 24:43
  of
• 24:43
  the
• 24:43
  National
• 24:44
  Historical
• 24:44
  Registry
• 24:45
  for
• 24:45
  the
• 24:46
  lunch
• 24:46
  counter
• 24:46
  sit
• 24:47
  ins
• 24:47
  that
• 24:47
  took
• 24:47
  place
• 24:47
  later
• 24:48
  on
• 24:48
  at
• 24:48
  that
• 24:49
  Woolworth.
• 24:49
  Ah,
• 24:50
  this
• 24:50
  is
• 24:50
  another
• 24:51
  great
• 24:51
  statistic.
• 24:52
  Yeah,
• 24:52
  another
• 24:52
  great
• 24:53
  fact.
• 24:54
  Now,
• 24:54
  0%
• 24:56
  for,
• 24:56
  for
• 24:57
  the
• 24:57
  hall
• 24:57
  of
• 24:57
  Fame
• 24:58
  vote.
• 25:00
  Yeah,
• 25:01
  you
• 25:01
  know,
• 25:01
  I
• 25:02
  don't
• 25:02
  know
• 25:02
  how
• 25:02
  to
• 25:02
  explain
• 25:03
  it.
• 25:04
  Did
• 25:04
  you
• 25:04
  talk
• 25:04
  to
• 25:05
  anybody
• 25:05
  in
• 25:05
  Cooperstown
• 25:06
  for
• 25:06
  the
• 25:06
  research,
• 25:08
  Steve?
• 25:09
  I
• 25:09
  didn't
• 25:09
  talk
• 25:10
  to.
• 25:11
  I
• 25:11
  didn't
• 25:12
  talk
• 25:12
  to
• 25:12
  anybody
• 25:12
  with
• 25:13
  the,
• 25:13
  with
• 25:13
  the
• 25:14
  hall
• 25:14
  of
• 25:14
  Fame
• 25:14
  or
• 25:14
  with
• 25:15
  the
• 25:15
  committees
• 25:16
  about
• 25:16
  that.
• 25:18
  You
• 25:18
  know,
• 25:18
  I
• 25:18
  think
• 25:20
  I'm
• 25:20
  hopeful
• 25:20
  that
• 25:21
  the
• 25:21
  book
• 25:22
  at
• 25:22
  least
• 25:22
  has
• 25:23
  been
• 25:24
  gratified
• 25:24
  to
• 25:24
  do
• 25:24
  a
• 25:24
  bunch
• 25:25
  of
• 25:25
  interviews
• 25:26
  and
• 25:27
  just
• 25:27
  different
• 25:28
  discussions
• 25:28
  with
• 25:30
  baseball
• 25:31
  researchers
• 25:31
  and
• 25:32
  things
• 25:32
  like
• 25:32
  that.
• 25:32
  So
• 25:32
  I'm
• 25:32
  hopeful
• 25:33
  that
• 25:33
  there's
• 25:33
  some
• 25:34
  attention
• 25:34
  that
• 25:34
  is
• 25:35
  brought
• 25:35
  to
• 25:35
  the
• 25:35
  fact
• 25:36
  that
• 25:36
  maybe
• 25:37
  a
• 25:37
  veterans
• 25:37
  committee
• 25:38
  should
• 25:38
  consider.
• 25:39
  And
• 25:39
  to
• 25:39
  be
• 25:39
  clear,
• 25:39
  I
• 25:40
  don't
• 25:40
  necessarily
• 25:40
  think
• 25:40
  that
• 25:41
  his
• 25:41
  body
• 25:41
  of
• 25:41
  work
• 25:42
  warrants
• 25:43
  a
• 25:43
  position
• 25:44
  in
• 25:44
  Cooperstown,
• 25:45
  but
• 25:45
  I
• 25:45
  certainly
• 25:46
  think
• 25:46
  he
• 25:46
  warranted,
• 25:47
  at
• 25:48
  the
• 25:48
  time
• 25:48
  that
• 25:48
  he
• 25:48
  retired,
• 25:49
  he
• 25:49
  warranted
• 25:50
  a
• 25:50
  conversation
• 25:51
  and
• 25:51
  warranted
• 25:52
  being
• 25:52
  on
• 25:53
  at
• 25:53
  least
• 25:53
  one
• 25:54
  person's
• 25:54
  ballot
• 25:55
  consideration.
• 25:56
  Yes,
• 25:56
  definitely.
• 25:57
  Steve?
• 25:58
  Yeah.
• 25:58
  Now,
• 25:59
  you
• 25:59
  took
• 26:00
  part
• 26:00
  in
• 26:00
  the
• 26:00
  author
• 26:01
  series
• 26:01
  up
• 26:01
  in
• 26:01
  Cooperstown.
• 26:05
  I
• 26:05
  did
• 26:05
  not.
• 26:05
  Oh,
• 26:05
  you
• 26:06
  didn't.
• 26:06
  I
• 26:06
  thought
• 26:06
  you.
• 26:07
  Okay.
• 26:07
  Yeah,
• 26:07
  I'm
• 26:08
  sorry.
• 26:08
  That
• 26:08
  must
• 26:08
  be
• 26:08
  one
• 26:09
  of
• 26:09
  the
• 26:09
  other
• 26:09
  guys
• 26:09
  on
• 26:10
  the
• 26:10
  show
• 26:10
  tonight.
• 26:11
  But
• 26:12
  that's
• 26:12
  okay.
• 26:13
  Do
• 26:13
  you
• 26:13
  have
• 26:14
  anything
• 26:14
  upcoming,
• 26:15
  Steve?
• 26:17
  Nothing
• 26:18
  else
• 26:18
  that
• 26:18
  is
• 26:18
  planned.
• 26:19
  I
• 26:19
  did
• 26:19
  make
• 26:19
  a.
• 26:20
  I
• 26:20
  had
• 26:20
  a
• 26:21
  panel
• 26:21
  discussion
• 26:22
  with
• 26:22
  Bob
• 26:23
  Kendrick,
• 26:23
  the
• 26:23
  executive
• 26:24
  director
• 26:24
  and
• 26:24
  president
• 26:24
  of
• 26:25
  the
• 26:25
  Negro
• 26:25
  Leagues
• 26:25
  Baseball
• 26:26
  Museum
• 26:26
  in
• 26:26
  Kansas
• 26:27
  City
• 26:27
  a
• 26:28
  few
• 26:28
  weeks
• 26:28
  back.
• 26:28
  A
• 26:29
  few
• 26:29
  weeks
• 26:29
  back
• 26:29
  when
• 26:30
  they
• 26:30
  did
• 26:30
  their
• 26:30
  salute
• 26:31
  to
• 26:31
  the
• 26:31
  Negro
• 26:31
  Leagues,
• 26:32
  the
• 26:33
  Royals
• 26:33
  were
• 26:33
  actually
• 26:34
  playing
• 26:34
  the
• 26:34
  Dodgers.
• 26:35
  And
• 26:35
  I
• 26:35
  live
• 26:35
  in
• 26:35
  Jacksonville,
• 26:36
  Florida
• 26:36
  right
• 26:36
  now.
• 26:37
  And
• 26:37
  I
• 26:37
  flew
• 26:37
  from
• 26:37
  Jacksonville
• 26:38
  to
• 26:38
  Kansas
• 26:38
  City
• 26:39
  and
• 26:40
  participated
• 26:41
  in
• 26:41
  a
• 26:41
  30
• 26:41
  minute
• 26:42
  conversation
• 26:42
  with
• 26:43
  Bob
• 26:43
  Kendrick
• 26:44
  about
• 26:44
  the
• 26:45
  book,
• 26:45
  about
• 26:45
  Jim
• 26:45
  Gilliam's
• 26:46
  life
• 26:46
  and
• 26:47
  about
• 26:47
  his
• 26:47
  role
• 26:47
  in
• 26:47
  the
• 26:47
  Negro
• 26:48
  Leagues.
• 26:49
  You
• 26:49
  know,
• 26:49
  there
• 26:50
  were
• 26:50
  several
• 26:51
  people,
• 26:51
  you
• 26:51
  know,
• 26:52
  probably
• 26:52
  100
• 26:52
  or
• 26:52
  so
• 26:52
  people
• 26:53
  that
• 26:53
  were
• 26:53
  still
• 26:54
  in
• 26:54
  attendance
• 26:54
  there.
• 26:54
  A
• 26:54
  lot
• 26:55
  of
• 26:55
  Dodger
• 26:55
  fans
• 26:55
  that
• 26:55
  had
• 26:56
  come
• 26:56
  in
• 26:56
  for,
• 26:57
  for
• 26:57
  the
• 26:58
  series
• 26:58
  that
• 26:59
  were
• 27:00
  there
• 27:00
  before
• 27:00
  that
• 27:00
  game.
• 27:01
  The
• 27:01
  game
• 27:01
  was
• 27:01
  at
• 27:01
  like
• 27:01
  4
• 27:02
  o'
• 27:02
  clock
• 27:02
  that
• 27:02
  afternoon.
• 27:03
  So
• 27:03
  this
• 27:03
  was
• 27:03
  like
• 27:03
  12
• 27:03
  o'
• 27:04
  clock
• 27:04
  on
• 27:04
  a
• 27:04
  Saturday
• 27:05
  that
• 27:05
  we
• 27:05
  did
• 27:05
  that.
• 27:06
  But
• 27:07
  that
• 27:07
  was,
• 27:07
  that
• 27:07
  was
• 27:07
  the
• 27:08
  most
• 27:08
  recent.
• 27:09
  I
• 27:09
  did
• 27:09
  a
• 27:09
  signing
• 27:10
  at
• 27:10
  the
• 27:10
  Nashville
• 27:11
  Sounds
• 27:12
  game
• 27:12
  when
• 27:13
  they
• 27:13
  did
• 27:13
  a
• 27:13
  throwback
• 27:13
  to
• 27:14
  the
• 27:14
  Negro
• 27:14
  Leagues.
• 27:15
  Before
• 27:15
  that
• 27:15
  in
• 27:15
  June
• 27:16
  as
• 27:17
  part
• 27:17
  of
• 27:17
  Black
• 27:17
  History
• 27:18
  Month,
• 27:18
  the
• 27:18
  National
• 27:18
  Sounds
• 27:19
  had
• 27:19
  me
• 27:19
  out
• 27:19
  there,
• 27:20
  which
• 27:20
  is,
• 27:20
  you
• 27:20
  know,
• 27:21
  the
• 27:22
  ballpark
• 27:22
  in
• 27:22
  Nashville
• 27:23
  is
• 27:23
  at
• 27:24
  19
• 27:24
  Junior
• 27:25
  Gilliam
• 27:25
  Way.
• 27:25
  It
• 27:26
  was
• 27:26
  renamed
• 27:26
  that
• 27:26
  several
• 27:27
  years
• 27:27
  ago.
• 27:28
  Ah,
• 27:28
  that
• 27:28
  is
• 27:28
  very
• 27:28
  interesting,
• 27:29
  too.
• 27:29
  Yes.
• 27:30
  Now,
• 27:30
  did
• 27:30
  you
• 27:31
  speak
• 27:31
  with
• 27:31
  Bob
• 27:31
  Kendrick
• 27:32
  about
• 27:33
  Jim's
• 27:35
  chances
• 27:35
  for
• 27:35
  the
• 27:36
  Negro
• 27:36
  League
• 27:36
  hall
• 27:37
  of
• 27:37
  Fame?
• 27:39
  We
• 27:39
  didn't
• 27:39
  discuss
• 27:39
  that.
• 27:40
  That
• 27:40
  didn't
• 27:40
  come
• 27:40
  up
• 27:40
  on
• 27:40
  topic.
• 27:41
  We
• 27:41
  talked
• 27:41
  about,
• 27:42
  we
• 27:43
  talked
• 27:43
  about,
• 27:43
  you
• 27:43
  know,
• 27:44
  the
• 27:44
  challenges
• 27:45
  the
• 27:45
  black
• 27:45
  players
• 27:45
  faced
• 27:46
  and,
• 27:47
  you
• 27:47
  know,
• 27:47
  just
• 27:47
  kind
• 27:48
  of
• 27:48
  the,
• 27:48
  the
• 27:49
  overall.
• 27:49
  And,
• 27:50
  you
• 27:50
  know,
• 27:50
  I
• 27:50
  don't
• 27:51
  know
• 27:51
  if
• 27:51
  you've
• 27:51
  ever
• 27:51
  had
• 27:51
  a
• 27:51
  chance
• 27:51
  to,
• 27:52
  to
• 27:52
  listen
• 27:52
  to
• 27:53
  Bob,
• 27:53
  but
• 27:53
  he's
• 27:53
  a
• 27:54
  phenomenal
• 27:55
  storyteller.
• 27:55
  I've
• 27:56
  had
• 27:56
  him
• 27:56
  on
• 27:56
  the
• 27:56
  show,
• 27:57
  Steve.
• 27:57
  Yeah,
• 27:59
  he
• 27:59
  is
• 27:59
  such
• 27:59
  a
• 27:59
  gracious
• 28:00
  person.
• 28:00
  I
• 28:00
  can't
• 28:01
  say
• 28:01
  enough
• 28:01
  good
• 28:01
  things
• 28:02
  about
• 28:02
  him.
• 28:02
  Great.
• 28:03
  And
• 28:03
  the
• 28:03
  whole
• 28:04
  Negro
• 28:04
  League
• 28:04
  hall
• 28:05
  of
• 28:05
  Fame
• 28:05
  is
• 28:06
  a
• 28:06
  great
• 28:06
  institution
• 28:07
  and
• 28:08
  love
• 28:08
  to
• 28:09
  have
• 28:09
  Bob
• 28:09
  on
• 28:09
  the
• 28:09
  program.
• 28:10
  As
• 28:11
  you
• 28:11
  say,
• 28:11
  great
• 28:11
  speaker,
• 28:12
  great
• 28:12
  storyteller.
• 28:13
  Well,
• 28:13
  Steve
• 28:14
  Ditmore,
• 28:14
  it's
• 28:15
  been
• 28:15
  a
• 28:15
  pleasure
• 28:15
  speaking
• 28:16
  with
• 28:16
  you
• 28:16
  tonight.
• 28:17
  I
• 28:17
  thank
• 28:17
  you
• 28:17
  for
• 28:17
  taking
• 28:18
  time
• 28:18
  out
• 28:18
  of
• 28:18
  your
• 28:19
  Sunday
• 28:19
  night
• 28:19
  to
• 28:19
  spend
• 28:20
  it
• 28:20
  with
• 28:20
  us
• 28:20
  here,
• 28:21
  a
• 28:21
  few
• 28:22
  miles
• 28:22
  east
• 28:22
  of
• 28:22
  Brooklyn,
• 28:23
  out
• 28:24
  here
• 28:24
  on
• 28:24
  Long
• 28:24
  Island.
• 28:25
  The
• 28:25
  book,
• 28:25
  folks,
• 28:26
  it's
• 28:27
  titled
• 28:27
  Jim
• 28:27
  Gilliam,
• 28:28
  the
• 28:28
  Forgotten
• 28:29
  Dodger.
• 28:30
  And
• 28:30
  once
• 28:30
  again,
• 28:30
  Steve,
• 28:31
  we
• 28:31
  thank
• 28:31
  you.
• 28:32
  Bill,
• 28:33
  thank
• 28:33
  you
• 28:33
  so
• 28:33
  much.
• 28:33
  It's
• 28:34
  been
• 28:34
  a
• 28:34
  pleasure
• 28:34
  talking
• 28:35
  with
• 28:35
  you.
• 28:35
  I
• 28:35
  appreciate
• 28:35
  it.
• 28:36
  That
• 28:36
  is
• 28:36
  Steve
• 28:36
  Ditmore,
• 28:37
  ladies
• 28:37
  and
• 28:37
  gentlemen.
• 28:38
  Up
• 28:38
  next
• 28:38
  on
• 28:38
  Sports
• 28:39
  Talk
• 28:39
  New
• 28:39
  York,
• 28:40
  we
• 28:40
  will
• 28:40
  delve
• 28:40
  into
• 28:41
  the
• 28:41
  Interstate
• 28:42
  world
• 28:42
  series
• 28:43
  of
• 28:43
  1985
• 28:44
  with
• 28:44
  our
• 28:45
  author,
• 28:45
  Marshall
• 28:46
  Garvey.
• 28:46
  Stay
• 28:47
  with
• 28:47
  us,
• 28:47
  folks.
• 29:17
  You
• 29:17
  are
• 29:17
  listening
• 29:17
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• 29:18
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• 29:18
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• 29:18
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• 29:19
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• 29:19
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• 29:20
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• 29:20
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• 29:20
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• 29:20
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• 29:21
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• 29:21
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  broadcasting
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• 29:44
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• 29:44
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• 29:44
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• 29:44
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• 29:45
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• 29:45
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• 29:45
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• 29:46
  on
• 29:46
  Long
• 29:46
  Island's
• 29:47
  wgb.
• 29:49
  And
• 29:49
  now
• 29:50
  back
• 29:50
  to
• 29:51
  the
• 29:51
  show.
• 29:57
  All
• 29:57
  right,
• 29:57
  folks,
• 29:57
  we're
• 29:58
  back.
• 29:58
  We're
• 29:58
  back
• 29:58
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• 29:59
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• 29:59
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• 29:59
  York.
• 30:00
  WGBB
• 30:01
  Radio
• 30:01
  Merrick,
• 30:02
  Long
• 30:02
  Island,
• 30:02
  New
• 30:02
  York,
• 30:03
  is
• 30:03
  where
• 30:03
  we
• 30:03
  are
• 30:04
  at.
• 30:05
  We're
• 30:05
  winding
• 30:05
  down
• 30:06
  on
• 30:06
  our
• 30:06
  cavalcade
• 30:07
  of
• 30:07
  authors.
• 30:08
  Tonight
• 30:08
  on
• 30:08
  the
• 30:09
  show,
• 30:10
  some
• 30:10
  great
• 30:10
  books
• 30:11
  to
• 30:11
  support
• 30:12
  your
• 30:12
  summertime
• 30:12
  reading
• 30:13
  habits,
• 30:13
  folks.
• 30:14
  So
• 30:14
  we
• 30:14
  want
• 30:15
  to
• 30:15
  remind
• 30:15
  you
• 30:16
  that
• 30:16
  is,
• 30:16
  it's
• 30:17
  the
• 30:17
  topic
• 30:18
  of
• 30:18
  our
• 30:19
  show
• 30:19
  so
• 30:19
  often
• 30:20
  throughout
• 30:20
  the
• 30:20
  year,
• 30:21
  Cooperstown
• 30:22
  2025,
• 30:23
  the
• 30:23
  induction
• 30:24
  weekend,
• 30:25
  what
• 30:25
  I've
• 30:26
  termed
• 30:26
  in
• 30:26
  the
• 30:27
  past
• 30:27
  as
• 30:27
  Woodstock
• 30:28
  for
• 30:28
  baseball,
• 30:29
  taking
• 30:30
  place
• 30:30
  in
• 30:31
  really
• 30:31
  the
• 30:32
  epitome
• 30:32
  of
• 30:32
  Small
• 30:33
  Town
• 30:33
  USA,
• 30:34
  Cooperstown,
• 30:34
  NY.
• 30:35
  That'll
• 30:35
  be
• 30:36
  next
• 30:36
  weekend,
• 30:37
  July
• 30:38
  25th
• 30:38
  to
• 30:39
  27th
• 30:39
  and
• 30:40
  entering
• 30:41
  into
• 30:41
  the
• 30:42
  the
• 30:42
  hallowed
• 30:42
  shrine
• 30:43
  through
• 30:43
  the
• 30:43
  portals
• 30:44
  for
• 30:45
  immortals,
• 30:45
  as
• 30:45
  I
• 30:46
  call
• 30:46
  it.
• 30:47
  Dick
• 30:47
  Allen,
• 30:48
  Dave
• 30:48
  Parker,
• 30:49
  CC
• 30:49
  Sabathia,
• 30:50
  Billy
• 30:51
  Wagner
• 30:51
  and
• 30:51
  Ichiro
• 30:52
  Suzuki
• 30:53
  will
• 30:53
  be
• 30:53
  inducted.
• 30:54
  Allen
• 30:55
  and
• 30:55
  Parker
• 30:56
  posthumously.
• 30:57
  Dave
• 30:57
  Parker,
• 30:57
  unfortunately,
• 30:58
  it's
• 30:59
  a
• 30:59
  real
• 30:59
  shame
• 31:00
  missed
• 31:01
  his
• 31:01
  induction
• 31:02
  just
• 31:02
  by
• 31:02
  weeks.
• 31:04
  I
• 31:05
  wonder
• 31:05
  who
• 31:05
  will
• 31:05
  be
• 31:06
  giving
• 31:06
  the
• 31:06
  speeches
• 31:08
  for
• 31:08
  Dick
• 31:08
  and
• 31:09
  for
• 31:09
  Dave
• 31:10
  and
• 31:10
  I'm
• 31:11
  wondering
• 31:11
  if
• 31:12
  Ichiro
• 31:12
  will
• 31:13
  be
• 31:13
  giving
• 31:13
  his
• 31:13
  own
• 31:14
  speech
• 31:14
  or
• 31:14
  if
• 31:15
  he'll
• 31:15
  have
• 31:15
  a
• 31:15
  pinch
• 31:15
  hitter.
• 31:17
  We'll
• 31:18
  wait
• 31:19
  to
• 31:19
  see
• 31:19
  that.
• 31:20
  We
• 31:20
  shall
• 31:20
  see.
• 31:21
  Coverage
• 31:21
  will
• 31:22
  be
• 31:22
  Next
• 31:22
  Sunday
• 31:23
  the
• 31:24
  27th
• 31:24
  on
• 31:25
  the
• 31:25
  MLB
• 31:25
  Network.
• 31:26
  Brian
• 31:26
  Kenny
• 31:27
  from
• 31:28
  MLB
• 31:28
  usually
• 31:29
  handles
• 31:29
  the
• 31:29
  MC
• 31:30
  duties
• 31:30
  and
• 31:32
  soon
• 31:32
  assuming
• 31:33
  he
• 31:33
  will
• 31:33
  return
• 31:33
  to
• 31:34
  Cooperstown
• 31:35
  this
• 31:35
  year.
• 31:35
  And
• 31:36
  that's
• 31:36
  all
• 31:37
  we
• 31:37
  will
• 31:37
  forge
• 31:38
  ahead.
• 31:38
  Now
• 31:38
  our
• 31:38
  next
• 31:39
  guesswork
• 31:39
  has
• 31:40
  appeared
• 31:40
  in
• 31:40
  Dodgers
• 31:41
  Nation,
• 31:42
  the
• 31:42
  Sacramento
• 31:43
  B
• 31:43
  80s
• 31:44
  baseball
• 31:45
  screen
• 31:45
  rant
• 31:46
  and
• 31:46
  many
• 31:46
  other
• 31:46
  venues.
• 31:47
  He's
• 31:48
  the
• 31:48
  author
• 31:48
  of
• 31:48
  two
• 31:49
  books,
• 31:49
  the
• 31:50
  Hidden
• 31:50
  History
• 31:51
  of
• 31:51
  Sacramento
• 31:52
  Baseball
• 31:53
  and
• 31:53
  Elwood's
• 31:54
  Odyssey,
• 31:55
  which
• 31:55
  is
• 31:56
  a
• 31:56
  novel
• 31:57
  of
• 31:57
  historical
• 31:57
  fiction.
• 31:58
  His
• 31:58
  latest
• 31:58
  book
• 31:59
  is
• 31:59
  titled
• 32:00
  Interstate
• 32:01
  85.
• 32:01
  That's
• 32:02
  the
• 32:02
  year
• 32:02
  85,
• 32:03
  folks.
• 32:03
  The
• 32:03
  Royals,
• 32:04
  the
• 32:04
  Cardinals
• 32:05
  and
• 32:05
  the
• 32:06
  Show
• 32:06
  Me
• 32:06
  World
• 32:06
  Series.
• 32:07
  I
• 32:07
  welcome
• 32:07
  to
• 32:08
  Sports
• 32:08
  Talk
• 32:08
  New
• 32:09
  York
• 32:09
  tonight,
• 32:09
  Marshall
• 32:10
  Garvey.
• 32:11
  Marshall
• 32:11
  Good
• 32:11
  evening,
• 32:13
  Bill.
• 32:13
  Great
• 32:13
  to
• 32:14
  hear
• 32:14
  from
• 32:14
  you.
• 32:14
  I'm
• 32:14
  glad
• 32:15
  to,
• 32:15
  glad
• 32:15
  to
• 32:15
  be
• 32:16
  here.
• 32:16
  Wonderful
• 32:17
  to
• 32:17
  have
• 32:17
  you,
• 32:17
  Marshall.
• 32:17
  Now
• 32:18
  I
• 32:18
  want
• 32:18
  you
• 32:18
  to
• 32:18
  give
• 32:19
  us
• 32:19
  a
• 32:19
  little
• 32:19
  background
• 32:20
  on
• 32:20
  where
• 32:20
  you
• 32:21
  grew
• 32:21
  up
• 32:21
  and
• 32:21
  who
• 32:22
  were
• 32:22
  your
• 32:22
  teams
• 32:22
  and
• 32:23
  heroes.
• 32:24
  Well,
• 32:25
  I'm
• 32:25
  a
• 32:26
  lifelong
• 32:26
  Californian.
• 32:27
  I
• 32:27
  was
• 32:27
  born
• 32:27
  in
• 32:27
  Southern
• 32:28
  California,
• 32:28
  but
• 32:28
  I've
• 32:29
  lived
• 32:29
  north
• 32:29
  in
• 32:29
  the
• 32:29
  state
• 32:30
  most
• 32:30
  of
• 32:30
  my
• 32:30
  life,
• 32:31
  chiefly
• 32:31
  in
• 32:31
  Sacramento.
• 32:33
  So
• 32:33
  growing
• 32:34
  up,
• 32:34
  I'm
• 32:35
  from
• 32:35
  a
• 32:35
  Dodgers
• 32:36
  family.
• 32:36
  My
• 32:36
  dad's
• 32:36
  been
• 32:37
  a
• 32:37
  fan
• 32:37
  since
• 32:37
  1970.
• 32:38
  I'm
• 32:38
  not
• 32:38
  related
• 32:39
  to
• 32:39
  Steve,
• 32:39
  by
• 32:39
  the
• 32:39
  way.
• 32:40
  Everyone
• 32:40
  always
• 32:41
  asks
• 32:42
  growing
• 32:43
  up,
• 32:43
  you
• 32:43
  know,
• 32:45
  obviously
• 32:45
  love
• 32:45
  the
• 32:45
  Dodgers,
• 32:46
  went
• 32:46
  to
• 32:46
  a
• 32:47
  lot
• 32:47
  of
• 32:47
  Oakland
• 32:47
  Athletics
• 32:48
  games.
• 32:48
  Sure
• 32:48
  to
• 32:48
  miss
• 32:49
  that
• 32:50
  favorite
• 32:50
  players
• 32:51
  growing
• 32:52
  up
• 32:52
  would
• 32:52
  be
• 32:52
  like
• 32:53
  I
• 32:54
  ultimately
• 32:54
  liked
• 32:54
  the
• 32:54
  Twins
• 32:55
  when
• 32:55
  I
• 32:55
  was
• 32:55
  young.
• 32:56
  And
• 32:56
  that's
• 32:56
  kind
• 32:56
  of
• 32:57
  a,
• 32:57
  that's
• 32:57
  kind
• 32:57
  of
• 32:57
  a
• 32:57
  foreshadowing
• 32:58
  of
• 32:58
  the
• 32:59
  all
• 32:59
  Midwest
• 33:00
  tenor
• 33:00
  of
• 33:00
  this
• 33:00
  book.
• 33:01
  So
• 33:01
  I
• 33:01
  like
• 33:01
  Kirby
• 33:01
  Puckett,
• 33:02
  I
• 33:02
  like
• 33:02
  Tory
• 33:03
  Hunter.
• 33:04
  Those
• 33:04
  were
• 33:04
  some
• 33:04
  of
• 33:04
  my
• 33:04
  favorite
• 33:05
  players
• 33:05
  as
• 33:05
  a
• 33:05
  kid.
• 33:07
  And
• 33:07
  yeah,
• 33:08
  that's
• 33:08
  the
• 33:09
  Cliff
• 33:09
  notes
• 33:09
  background
• 33:10
  of
• 33:10
  my
• 33:11
  early
• 33:11
  life
• 33:11
  in
• 33:11
  baseball
• 33:12
  in
• 33:12
  the
• 33:12
  early
• 33:12
  2000s.
• 33:13
  Gotcha.
• 33:14
  Yes.
• 33:14
  With
• 33:14
  the
• 33:14
  Twins,
• 33:15
  I
• 33:15
  go
• 33:15
  back
• 33:15
  to
• 33:16
  Harmon
• 33:16
  Killebrute,
• 33:17
  Tony
• 33:17
  Oliva,
• 33:19
  Bob
• 33:19
  Allison,
• 33:21
  Don
• 33:21
  Mincher.
• 33:22
  There's
• 33:22
  a
• 33:22
  great
• 33:22
  name,
• 33:23
  great
• 33:23
  baseball
• 33:24
  name
• 33:24
  for
• 33:24
  you
• 33:24
  guys
• 33:25
  out
• 33:25
  there
• 33:27
  and
• 33:28
  the
• 33:28
  Southern
• 33:29
  California.
• 33:31
  We
• 33:31
  just
• 33:31
  spoke
• 33:31
  to
• 33:32
  a
• 33:32
  gentleman,
• 33:34
  Steve
• 33:35
  Dittmore,
• 33:36
  about
• 33:36
  his
• 33:36
  book
• 33:37
  on
• 33:37
  Junior
• 33:37
  Gilliam.
• 33:38
  So
• 33:38
  we
• 33:38
  discussed
• 33:39
  a
• 33:39
  lot
• 33:39
  about
• 33:39
  the
• 33:40
  Dodgers.
• 33:40
  Now
• 33:41
  for
• 33:41
  uninitiated
• 33:42
  new
• 33:42
  York
• 33:43
  fans.
• 33:43
  Marshall,
• 33:45
  just
• 33:45
  elaborate
• 33:46
  on
• 33:47
  the
• 33:47
  i70
• 33:48
  and
• 33:49
  show
• 33:49
  me.
• 33:49
  What
• 33:49
  are
• 33:50
  we
• 33:50
  talking
• 33:50
  about
• 33:50
  there
• 33:51
  for
• 33:51
  guys
• 33:51
  who
• 33:52
  may
• 33:52
  not
• 33:52
  know
• 33:53
  what
• 33:53
  we're
• 33:53
  talking
• 33:53
  about?
• 33:55
  Well,
• 33:55
  that's
• 33:56
  a
• 33:56
  reference
• 33:56
  to
• 33:57
  first
• 33:58
  off,
• 33:58
  Interstate
• 33:59
  70.
• 34:00
  That's
• 34:00
  the
• 34:00
  Interstate
• 34:01
  highway
• 34:01
  that
• 34:01
  runs
• 34:02
  through
• 34:02
  Missouri.
• 34:02
  And
• 34:02
  it's
• 34:03
  connected
• 34:03
  Kansas
• 34:04
  City
• 34:04
  and
• 34:04
  St.
• 34:05
  Louis,
• 34:05
  either
• 34:06
  partially
• 34:06
  or
• 34:06
  entirely
• 34:07
  since
• 34:07
  1956.
• 34:10
  And
• 34:10
  so
• 34:10
  that's
• 34:10
  where
• 34:10
  the
• 34:11
  World
• 34:11
  Series
• 34:11
  in
• 34:11
  85
• 34:12
  dot
• 34:12
  is
• 34:12
  named,
• 34:12
  the
• 34:12
  i70
• 34:13
  Series.
• 34:13
  Also,
• 34:14
  Missouri
• 34:15
  is
• 34:15
  known
• 34:15
  as
• 34:15
  the
• 34:15
  show
• 34:16
  me
• 34:16
  state.
• 34:16
  There
• 34:16
  you
• 34:17
  go.
• 34:17
  It
• 34:18
  goes
• 34:18
  back
• 34:18
  to
• 34:18
  some
• 34:19
  kind
• 34:19
  of
• 34:19
  quote
• 34:19
  that
• 34:19
  someone
• 34:19
  said,
• 34:20
  like,
• 34:20
  I'm
• 34:20
  from
• 34:20
  Missouri.
• 34:21
  You
• 34:21
  have
• 34:21
  to
• 34:21
  show
• 34:21
  me.
• 34:22
  You
• 34:22
  know,
• 34:22
  just
• 34:22
  kind
• 34:22
  of
• 34:22
  like
• 34:23
  a
• 34:23
  pledge
• 34:23
  of
• 34:23
  prove
• 34:24
  it
• 34:24
  to
• 34:24
  me.
• 34:24
  Be
• 34:24
  honest.
• 34:25
  So
• 34:25
  that's
• 34:25
  where
• 34:26
  the
• 34:26
  i70
• 34:26
  and
• 34:27
  show
• 34:27
  me
• 34:27
  series
• 34:27
  nicknames
• 34:28
  basically
• 34:28
  come
• 34:29
  from.
• 34:29
  Fine.
• 34:30
  Yeah,
• 34:30
  that's
• 34:31
  great
• 34:31
  to
• 34:31
  let
• 34:32
  people
• 34:32
  know
• 34:32
  that,
• 34:33
  especially
• 34:34
  here
• 34:34
  in
• 34:34
  New
• 34:35
  York.
• 34:35
  Now,
• 34:36
  the
• 34:36
  book
• 34:37
  really
• 34:37
  is
• 34:38
  a
• 34:38
  blend
• 34:38
  of
• 34:39
  baseball
• 34:39
  and
• 34:40
  cultural
• 34:40
  history.
• 34:41
  You
• 34:41
  combine
• 34:42
  the
• 34:42
  two
• 34:42
  great
• 34:43
  85
• 34:44
  pop
• 34:44
  culture.
• 34:45
  Let's
• 34:45
  talk
• 34:45
  a
• 34:45
  little
• 34:46
  bit
• 34:46
  about
• 34:46
  that,
• 34:46
  Marshall.
• 34:48
  For
• 34:48
  sure.
• 34:48
  Well,
• 34:49
  especially
• 34:49
  in
• 34:50
  the
• 34:50
  book's
• 34:50
  intro,
• 34:51
  A
• 34:51
  View
• 34:52
  to
• 34:52
  a
• 34:52
  Call,
• 34:52
  which
• 34:53
  is
• 34:53
  a
• 34:53
  pun,
• 34:54
  the
• 34:54
  reference
• 34:54
  to
• 34:54
  the
• 34:55
  James
• 34:55
  Bond
• 34:55
  movie
• 34:56
  and
• 34:56
  Duran
• 34:56
  Duran
• 34:56
  song
• 34:57
  that
• 34:57
  came
• 34:57
  out
• 34:57
  that
• 34:58
  year
• 34:58
  in
• 34:58
  85.
• 34:59
  1985
• 35:00
  is
• 35:00
  arguably
• 35:00
  the
• 35:00
  greatest
• 35:01
  year
• 35:01
  in
• 35:01
  pop
• 35:01
  culture
• 35:01
  history.
• 35:02
  It's
• 35:02
  like,
• 35:02
  where
• 35:02
  do
• 35:03
  you
• 35:03
  begin?
• 35:03
  Where
• 35:03
  do
• 35:03
  you
• 35:04
  end?
• 35:04
  You've
• 35:04
  got
• 35:04
  Live
• 35:04
  Aid,
• 35:06
  Back
• 35:06
  to
• 35:06
  the
• 35:06
  Future,
• 35:07
  the
• 35:07
  beginning
• 35:07
  of
• 35:08
  Moonlighting
• 35:09
  and
• 35:09
  Golden
• 35:09
  Girls,
• 35:10
  the
• 35:10
  founding
• 35:10
  of
• 35:10
  Studio
• 35:11
  Ghibli.
• 35:12
  The
• 35:12
  Nintendo
• 35:13
  Entertainment
• 35:13
  System
• 35:13
  basically
• 35:14
  saves
• 35:15
  video
• 35:15
  games
• 35:16
  as
• 35:16
  we
• 35:16
  know
• 35:16
  it.
• 35:18
  You
• 35:18
  know,
• 35:18
  tons
• 35:19
  of
• 35:19
  great
• 35:19
  pop
• 35:19
  music,
• 35:20
  Bruce
• 35:20
  Springsteen,
• 35:21
  Madonna.
• 35:21
  Aha.
• 35:22
  Tears
• 35:22
  for
• 35:23
  Fears,
• 35:23
  George
• 35:24
  Michael
• 35:24
  and
• 35:24
  beyond.
• 35:26
  And
• 35:26
  in
• 35:26
  sports,
• 35:27
  sports
• 35:27
  probably
• 35:28
  was
• 35:28
  the
• 35:28
  single
• 35:28
  greatest
• 35:29
  thing
• 35:29
  in
• 35:29
  85.
• 35:30
  You
• 35:30
  had
• 35:30
  so
• 35:31
  many
• 35:31
  great
• 35:31
  events.
• 35:31
  The
• 35:31
  Hagler
• 35:32
  Hearns
• 35:32
  war
• 35:33
  in
• 35:33
  boxing,
• 35:33
  Mike
• 35:34
  Tyson's
• 35:34
  Pro
• 35:34
  debut
• 35:35
  first
• 35:35
  WrestleMania,
• 35:36
  the
• 35:37
  first
• 35:38
  NBA
• 35:38
  Draft
• 35:38
  Lottery,
• 35:39
  Michael
• 35:39
  Jordan's
• 35:40
  NBA
• 35:40
  Rookie
• 35:40
  of
• 35:41
  the
• 35:41
  Year.
• 35:41
  I
• 35:41
  go
• 35:42
  on
• 35:42
  and
• 35:42
  on.
• 35:42
  And
• 35:42
  of
• 35:42
  course,
• 35:43
  one
• 35:43
  of
• 35:43
  the
• 35:43
  great
• 35:44
  moments
• 35:44
  and
• 35:44
  the
• 35:44
  one
• 35:44
  that.
• 35:45
  That
• 35:45
  captivated
• 35:46
  me
• 35:46
  the
• 35:46
  most,
• 35:46
  Don
• 35:47
  Digginger's
• 35:47
  call
• 35:47
  and
• 35:48
  the
• 35:48
  i70
• 35:48
  World
• 35:49
  Series.
• 35:49
  Oh,
• 35:50
  boy.
• 35:50
  We'll
• 35:50
  get
• 35:50
  to
• 35:51
  that.
• 35:51
  Certainly.
• 35:51
  Marshall.
• 35:52
  Now,
• 35:52
  there
• 35:53
  you
• 35:53
  go,
• 35:53
  folks.
• 35:54
  It's
• 35:54
  not
• 35:54
  just
• 35:54
  a
• 35:55
  baseball
• 35:55
  book.
• 35:56
  You'll
• 35:56
  reminisce
• 35:57
  about,
• 35:58
  as
• 35:59
  we
• 35:59
  spoke
• 35:59
  about
• 36:00
  85
• 36:01
  pop
• 36:01
  culture
• 36:02
  and
• 36:03
  the
• 36:03
  great
• 36:03
  things
• 36:04
  that
• 36:04
  happen
• 36:04
  in
• 36:05
  entertainment,
• 36:06
  in
• 36:07
  music
• 36:07
  and
• 36:07
  movies
• 36:09
  back
• 36:09
  in
• 36:09
  1985,
• 36:10
  along
• 36:11
  with
• 36:11
  this
• 36:12
  World
• 36:12
  Series.
• 36:13
  Now,
• 36:14
  that
• 36:14
  Highway
• 36:15
  I
• 36:15
  70,
• 36:16
  it
• 36:16
  links
• 36:16
  the
• 36:16
  two
• 36:17
  teams
• 36:18
  home
• 36:18
  cities,
• 36:19
  but
• 36:20
  the
• 36:20
  individual
• 36:21
  roads
• 36:22
  traveled
• 36:23
  by
• 36:23
  the
• 36:23
  players
• 36:25
  and
• 36:25
  other
• 36:25
  people
• 36:25
  who
• 36:26
  took
• 36:26
  part
• 36:26
  in
• 36:27
  that
• 36:27
  event
• 36:29
  kind
• 36:29
  of
• 36:31
  before
• 36:32
  and
• 36:32
  after
• 36:32
  the
• 36:32
  series
• 36:33
  began
• 36:34
  and
• 36:35
  after
• 36:35
  the
• 36:35
  last
• 36:35
  cheers
• 36:36
  faded.
• 36:39
  Yes,
• 36:40
  that's
• 36:41
  the
• 36:41
  primary
• 36:42
  purpose
• 36:42
  of
• 36:42
  the
• 36:42
  book.
• 36:42
  I
• 36:43
  seized
• 36:43
  on
• 36:43
  that
• 36:43
  imagery
• 36:44
  of
• 36:44
  Interstate
• 36:45
  70.
• 36:46
  Like
• 36:46
  I
• 36:47
  said,
• 36:47
  I
• 36:47
  turned
• 36:47
  it
• 36:47
  into
• 36:47
  a
• 36:47
  book
• 36:48
  about
• 36:48
  the
• 36:48
  metaphorical
• 36:49
  roads
• 36:50
  of
• 36:50
  the
• 36:50
  Royals,
• 36:51
  the
• 36:51
  Cardinals,
• 36:51
  Don
• 36:52
  Decinger,
• 36:53
  both
• 36:53
  collectively
• 36:54
  and
• 36:54
  individually.
• 36:54
  Like,
• 36:55
  again,
• 36:55
  where
• 36:55
  they
• 36:56
  went
• 36:56
  to,
• 36:56
  how
• 36:56
  they
• 36:56
  got
• 36:57
  to
• 36:57
  85,
• 36:58
  what
• 36:58
  happened
• 36:58
  during
• 36:59
  that
• 36:59
  World
• 36:59
  Series
• 37:00
  and
• 37:00
  how
• 37:00
  those
• 37:01
  roads
• 37:01
  went
• 37:01
  in
• 37:02
  interesting
• 37:02
  directions
• 37:03
  in
• 37:03
  the
• 37:03
  years
• 37:03
  after.
• 37:04
  Which
• 37:04
  is
• 37:04
  really
• 37:04
  interesting
• 37:05
  because
• 37:06
  the
• 37:06
  85
• 37:06
  series
• 37:07
  really
• 37:07
  largely
• 37:08
  faded
• 37:08
  from
• 37:08
  memory
• 37:09
  outside
• 37:09
  of
• 37:09
  Missouri.
• 37:10
  But
• 37:11
  it
• 37:11
  had
• 37:11
  a
• 37:12
  way
• 37:12
  of
• 37:12
  echoing
• 37:12
  throughout
• 37:13
  the
• 37:13
  years,
• 37:13
  and
• 37:14
  it
• 37:14
  goes
• 37:14
  all
• 37:14
  the
• 37:14
  way
• 37:14
  up
• 37:15
  to
• 37:16
  2014
• 37:16
  and
• 37:17
  15,
• 37:17
  when
• 37:18
  the
• 37:18
  royals
• 37:18
  finally
• 37:19
  got
• 37:19
  good
• 37:19
  again
• 37:19
  and
• 37:20
  they
• 37:20
  finally
• 37:20
  won
• 37:20
  the
• 37:20
  World
• 37:21
  series
• 37:21
  again
• 37:21
  in
• 37:22
  15.
• 37:22
  And
• 37:23
  so
• 37:23
  the
• 37:23
  book,
• 37:23
  yeah,
• 37:23
  just
• 37:24
  explores
• 37:24
  how
• 37:25
  all
• 37:25
  these
• 37:25
  unique
• 37:26
  paths
• 37:26
  from
• 37:26
  85
• 37:27
  went
• 37:27
  in
• 37:28
  all
• 37:28
  these
• 37:28
  interesting
• 37:28
  directions
• 37:29
  and
• 37:29
  repeated
• 37:30
  throughout
• 37:30
  the
• 37:30
  years.
• 37:30
  And
• 37:31
  it
• 37:31
  all
• 37:31
  came
• 37:31
  full
• 37:31
  circle
• 37:32
  30
• 37:32
  years
• 37:32
  later.
• 37:33
  Right.
• 37:34
  How
• 37:34
  the
• 37:34
  series
• 37:35
  began
• 37:35
  and
• 37:36
  how
• 37:36
  these
• 37:37
  players
• 37:38
  who,
• 37:38
  as
• 37:39
  we
• 37:39
  said,
• 37:39
  took
• 37:39
  part
• 37:39
  in
• 37:40
  the
• 37:40
  World
• 37:40
  Series,
• 37:42
  how
• 37:42
  they
• 37:42
  ended
• 37:43
  up.
• 37:43
  We're
• 37:44
  speaking
• 37:44
  with
• 37:44
  Marshall
• 37:44
  Garvey
• 37:45
  tonight,
• 37:45
  his
• 37:46
  book
• 37:46
  about
• 37:46
  the
• 37:46
  1985
• 37:47
  World
• 37:48
  Series.
• 37:48
  Now,
• 37:49
  you
• 37:49
  conducted,
• 37:50
  I
• 37:50
  read
• 37:51
  27
• 37:51
  interviews
• 37:52
  conducted
• 37:53
  by
• 37:53
  you,
• 37:54
  Marshall,
• 37:55
  including
• 37:55
  Brett,
• 37:56
  Ozzie
• 37:56
  Denkinger
• 37:57
  himself,
• 37:58
  Bud
• 37:58
  Black,
• 37:59
  Van
• 37:59
  Slyke,
• 38:00
  Mark
• 38:00
  Gubiza.
• 38:02
  Tell
• 38:03
  us
• 38:03
  about
• 38:03
  some
• 38:03
  of
• 38:03
  these
• 38:04
  interviews
• 38:04
  and
• 38:05
  some
• 38:05
  of
• 38:05
  your
• 38:05
  favorites.
• 38:07
  Oh,
• 38:07
  gosh,
• 38:08
  yes.
• 38:08
  All
• 38:09
  27
• 38:09
  interviews
• 38:10
  were
• 38:10
  an
• 38:10
  absolute
• 38:11
  delight
• 38:12
  from
• 38:12
  the
• 38:12
  big
• 38:12
  names.
• 38:13
  Yeah,
• 38:13
  like
• 38:13
  George,
• 38:13
  especially
• 38:14
  on
• 38:14
  the
• 38:14
  Cooper
• 38:14
  Sound
• 38:15
  out.
• 38:15
  George
• 38:15
  Breton,
• 38:15
  Ozzie
• 38:16
  Smith,
• 38:16
  hall
• 38:16
  of
• 38:16
  Famers,
• 38:17
  even
• 38:17
  really
• 38:17
  obscure
• 38:18
  guys.
• 38:19
  Honestly,
• 38:20
  all
• 38:20
  interviews
• 38:21
  were
• 38:21
  great
• 38:21
  and
• 38:21
  you
• 38:22
  see
• 38:23
  they
• 38:23
  have
• 38:23
  big
• 38:24
  strong
• 38:24
  points
• 38:24
  throughout
• 38:25
  the
• 38:25
  book.
• 38:25
  But
• 38:26
  I
• 38:26
  will
• 38:26
  say
• 38:26
  it's
• 38:27
  the
• 38:27
  lesser
• 38:27
  known
• 38:28
  or
• 38:28
  even
• 38:28
  forgotten
• 38:29
  guys
• 38:29
  that
• 38:29
  made
• 38:29
  for
• 38:30
  the
• 38:30
  best
• 38:30
  stories.
• 38:31
  I'm
• 38:32
  talking
• 38:32
  guys
• 38:32
  like
• 38:33
  Joe
• 38:33
  Beckwith,
• 38:34
  Royals
• 38:34
  release
• 38:34
  pitcher,
• 38:35
  talked
• 38:35
  to
• 38:35
  him
• 38:36
  two
• 38:36
  weeks
• 38:36
  before
• 38:36
  he
• 38:37
  died
• 38:37
  of
• 38:37
  colon
• 38:37
  cancer.
• 38:38
  And
• 38:39
  he
• 38:39
  told
• 38:39
  me
• 38:39
  an
• 38:39
  incredible
• 38:40
  story
• 38:40
  about
• 38:41
  how
• 38:41
  Sandy
• 38:41
  Koufax
• 38:42
  turned
• 38:42
  his
• 38:43
  season
• 38:43
  around
• 38:43
  in
• 38:44
  1985,
• 38:45
  a
• 38:45
  story
• 38:45
  I'm
• 38:46
  pretty
• 38:46
  sure
• 38:46
  he
• 38:46
  never
• 38:46
  told
• 38:47
  anyone
• 38:47
  else.
• 38:48
  And
• 38:48
  it's
• 38:49
  so
• 38:49
  beautiful.
• 38:49
  I
• 38:49
  talked
• 38:50
  to
• 38:50
  Kurt
• 38:50
  Kepshire,
• 38:52
  Cardinals
• 38:53
  pitcher,
• 38:53
  left
• 38:53
  off
• 38:54
  the
• 38:54
  playoff
• 38:54
  roster,
• 38:55
  but
• 38:55
  he
• 38:55
  poured
• 38:55
  his
• 38:55
  heart
• 38:56
  out
• 38:56
  to
• 38:56
  me
• 38:56
  about
• 38:57
  watching
• 38:57
  the
• 38:57
  Cardinals
• 38:58
  lose
• 38:58
  Game
• 38:59
  5.
• 38:59
  They
• 38:59
  could
• 39:00
  have
• 39:00
  clinched
• 39:00
  the
• 39:00
  championship
• 39:01
  right
• 39:01
  there
• 39:01
  at
• 39:01
  home.
• 39:02
  But
• 39:03
  he
• 39:04
  feels
• 39:04
  a
• 39:04
  sense
• 39:04
  of
• 39:04
  guilt
• 39:05
  that
• 39:05
  he
• 39:05
  didn't
• 39:05
  get
• 39:05
  to
• 39:05
  pitch
• 39:06
  that
• 39:06
  game.
• 39:06
  And
• 39:06
  he
• 39:07
  believes
• 39:07
  that
• 39:07
  if
• 39:07
  he
• 39:07
  had,
• 39:08
  the
• 39:08
  Cardinals
• 39:08
  would
• 39:08
  have
• 39:09
  won.
• 39:09
  Wow.
• 39:10
  I
• 39:10
  talked.
• 39:10
  Yeah.
• 39:11
  And
• 39:11
  there's
• 39:12
  so
• 39:12
  many
• 39:12
  others.
• 39:13
  Lynn
• 39:13
  Jones,
• 39:14
  Royals
• 39:14
  backup,
• 39:16
  Very,
• 39:16
  very
• 39:16
  colorful
• 39:17
  and
• 39:17
  fluid
• 39:18
  storyteller.
• 39:19
  He
• 39:19
  talked
• 39:20
  about
• 39:20
  looking
• 39:21
  over
• 39:22
  at
• 39:22
  the
• 39:23
  opposing
• 39:23
  dugouts.
• 39:24
  For
• 39:24
  those
• 39:25
  who
• 39:25
  don't
• 39:25
  know
• 39:25
  the
• 39:25
  Royals,
• 39:26
  this
• 39:26
  is
• 39:26
  another
• 39:26
  one
• 39:27
  of
• 39:27
  many
• 39:27
  interesting
• 39:28
  things
• 39:28
  about
• 39:28
  the
• 39:28
  85
• 39:29
  Royals.
• 39:30
  They
• 39:30
  are
• 39:30
  the
• 39:30
  only
• 39:31
  team
• 39:31
  in
• 39:31
  MLB
• 39:31
  history
• 39:32
  to
• 39:32
  have
• 39:32
  two
• 39:32
  31
• 39:33
  series
• 39:33
  comebacks
• 39:34
  in
• 39:35
  the
• 39:35
  same
• 39:35
  postseason.
• 39:36
  And
• 39:36
  Lynn
• 39:36
  Jones
• 39:37
  told
• 39:37
  me
• 39:37
  during
• 39:38
  both
• 39:38
  comebacks
• 39:38
  against
• 39:38
  the
• 39:39
  Blue
• 39:39
  Jays
• 39:39
  and
• 39:39
  the
• 39:39
  ALCS
• 39:40
  and
• 39:40
  the
• 39:40
  Cardinals
• 39:41
  in
• 39:41
  the
• 39:41
  World
• 39:41
  Series,
• 39:42
  he
• 39:42
  looked
• 39:42
  over
• 39:42
  and
• 39:43
  with
• 39:43
  each
• 39:43
  game
• 39:43
  he
• 39:43
  could
• 39:44
  see
• 39:44
  a
• 39:44
  look
• 39:44
  of
• 39:44
  defeat
• 39:45
  growing
• 39:45
  on
• 39:45
  the
• 39:46
  opposing
• 39:46
  team's
• 39:47
  face.
• 39:47
  Their
• 39:48
  faces.
• 39:49
  So
• 39:49
  those
• 39:50
  are,
• 39:50
  some
• 39:50
  of
• 39:50
  those
• 39:51
  are
• 39:51
  just
• 39:51
  a
• 39:51
  handful.
• 39:52
  We'd
• 39:52
  be
• 39:52
  here
• 39:52
  for
• 39:53
  hours
• 39:53
  and
• 39:53
  hours.
• 39:54
  These
• 39:54
  stories
• 39:54
  were
• 39:55
  so
• 39:55
  amazing
• 39:56
  across
• 39:56
  all
• 39:56
  27
• 39:57
  interviews.
• 39:57
  They
• 39:58
  all
• 39:58
  filled
• 39:59
  out
• 39:59
  the
• 39:59
  narrative
• 40:00
  in
• 40:00
  unique
• 40:00
  ways.
• 40:02
  But
• 40:02
  it
• 40:02
  was
• 40:03
  like
• 40:03
  some
• 40:04
  of
• 40:04
  the
• 40:04
  lesser
• 40:04
  known
• 40:04
  players
• 40:05
  or
• 40:05
  even
• 40:05
  non
• 40:06
  players
• 40:06
  like
• 40:07
  Royals
• 40:08
  bat
• 40:08
  boy
• 40:08
  Chris
• 40:08
  Brown,
• 40:09
  like
• 40:09
  he
• 40:10
  had
• 40:10
  great
• 40:10
  behind
• 40:10
  the
• 40:11
  scenes
• 40:11
  stories
• 40:11
  including
• 40:12
  how
• 40:12
  he
• 40:12
  ended
• 40:12
  up
• 40:12
  keeping
• 40:13
  Joaquin
• 40:13
  Anduhar's
• 40:14
  game
• 40:14
  seven
• 40:15
  jacket,
• 40:15
  which
• 40:15
  he
• 40:16
  still
• 40:16
  has
• 40:16
  to
• 40:16
  this
• 40:16
  day.
• 40:17
  Wow.
• 40:17
  It's
• 40:17
  stories
• 40:18
  like
• 40:18
  that
• 40:18
  that
• 40:19
  really
• 40:19
  make
• 40:20
  this
• 40:20
  book
• 40:20
  leap.
• 40:21
  You
• 40:21
  know,
• 40:21
  it's
• 40:21
  not
• 40:21
  just
• 40:21
  a
• 40:22
  recounting
• 40:22
  of
• 40:22
  85,
• 40:23
  it's
• 40:23
  a
• 40:23
  deep
• 40:24
  narrative
• 40:24
  and
• 40:25
  these
• 40:25
  interviews
• 40:26
  were
• 40:26
  just
• 40:26
  a
• 40:27
  blast.
• 40:27
  Oh,
• 40:28
  I
• 40:28
  can
• 40:28
  imagine.
• 40:29
  How
• 40:29
  did
• 40:29
  you
• 40:29
  get
• 40:30
  in
• 40:30
  touch
• 40:30
  with
• 40:30
  some
• 40:30
  of
• 40:30
  these
• 40:31
  guys,
• 40:31
  the
• 40:31
  lesser
• 40:31
  known
• 40:32
  guys,
• 40:32
  especially
• 40:33
  Marshall?
• 40:35
  That
• 40:35
  would
• 40:35
  come
• 40:35
  through
• 40:36
  a
• 40:36
  variety
• 40:36
  of
• 40:36
  ways.
• 40:37
  Some
• 40:37
  are
• 40:37
  really
• 40:37
  easy.
• 40:38
  Some
• 40:38
  have
• 40:39
  publicly
• 40:39
  listed
• 40:39
  email
• 40:40
  addresses
• 40:40
  or
• 40:40
  their
• 40:41
  Facebook
• 40:41
  friends.
• 40:42
  I've
• 40:42
  been
• 40:42
  Facebook
• 40:43
  friends
• 40:43
  with
• 40:43
  Jim
• 40:43
  Sundberg
• 40:44
  for
• 40:44
  a
• 40:44
  while,
• 40:44
  added
• 40:44
  buddy
• 40:45
  Bianca
• 40:45
  Wanna
• 40:45
  there
• 40:46
  others
• 40:46
  took
• 40:47
  some
• 40:47
  digging.
• 40:48
  Steve
• 40:48
  Barr's
• 40:49
  wife
• 40:49
  works
• 40:49
  in
• 40:49
  real
• 40:50
  estate
• 40:50
  so
• 40:50
  I
• 40:50
  emailed
• 40:51
  her
• 40:51
  through
• 40:51
  there.
• 40:51
  Kirk
• 40:52
  Koet
• 40:52
  Shire's
• 40:53
  son
• 40:53
  is
• 40:53
  a
• 40:53
  doctor
• 40:54
  out
• 40:54
  in
• 40:55
  Colorado
• 40:55
  so
• 40:56
  I
• 40:56
  messaged
• 40:57
  him
• 40:57
  on
• 40:57
  Instagram
• 40:58
  and
• 40:58
  that
• 40:58
  got
• 40:58
  that
• 40:59
  rolling.
• 40:59
  It
• 41:00
  would
• 41:00
  come
• 41:00
  in
• 41:01
  different
• 41:01
  ways.
• 41:01
  Frank
• 41:02
  White,
• 41:02
  royal
• 41:03
  second
• 41:03
  baseman,
• 41:03
  is
• 41:04
  a
• 41:04
  politician
• 41:04
  in
• 41:04
  Kansas
• 41:05
  City.
• 41:05
  So
• 41:05
  I
• 41:06
  had
• 41:06
  to
• 41:06
  send
• 41:06
  a
• 41:06
  request
• 41:07
  through
• 41:07
  the
• 41:07
  Jackson
• 41:07
  county
• 41:08
  government
• 41:08
  website.
• 41:09
  George
• 41:10
  Brett
• 41:10
  was
• 41:11
  surprisingly
• 41:12
  easy.
• 41:12
  Just
• 41:13
  taught,
• 41:13
  just
• 41:13
  asked
• 41:13
  a
• 41:14
  sports
• 41:14
  journalist
• 41:15
  in
• 41:15
  Casey
• 41:16
  for
• 41:16
  his
• 41:16
  number
• 41:17
  or
• 41:17
  to
• 41:17
  get
• 41:18
  through
• 41:18
  to
• 41:18
  him
• 41:18
  and
• 41:18
  George
• 41:18
  Brett
• 41:19
  just
• 41:19
  said,
• 41:19
  boom,
• 41:19
  here's
• 41:20
  my
• 41:20
  number.
• 41:20
  So
• 41:21
  it
• 41:21
  took,
• 41:21
  you
• 41:22
  know,
• 41:22
  it
• 41:22
  would
• 41:23
  take
• 41:23
  a
• 41:23
  little
• 41:23
  bit
• 41:23
  of
• 41:24
  time
• 41:24
  to
• 41:24
  get
• 41:24
  certain
• 41:24
  ones
• 41:25
  at
• 41:25
  certain
• 41:25
  times,
• 41:25
  but.
• 41:26
  And
• 41:27
  I
• 41:27
  had
• 41:27
  to
• 41:27
  go
• 41:27
  through
• 41:27
  a
• 41:28
  lot
• 41:28
  of
• 41:28
  a
• 41:28
  wide
• 41:29
  variety
• 41:29
  of
• 41:29
  ways
• 41:29
  to
• 41:29
  get
• 41:30
  all
• 41:30
  27.
• 41:31
  But
• 41:31
  ultimately
• 41:32
  they
• 41:32
  were
• 41:32
  all
• 41:32
  willing
• 41:32
  to
• 41:32
  talk
• 41:33
  and
• 41:33
  chasing
• 41:34
  down
• 41:34
  each
• 41:34
  interview
• 41:34
  was
• 41:35
  really
• 41:35
  exciting.
• 41:36
  It
• 41:36
  must
• 41:37
  have
• 41:37
  been.
• 41:37
  Yeah.
• 41:37
  And
• 41:38
  then
• 41:38
  to
• 41:38
  get
• 41:38
  the
• 41:39
  interview
• 41:39
  and
• 41:39
  to
• 41:40
  get
• 41:40
  the
• 41:40
  information,
• 41:41
  what
• 41:41
  a
• 41:42
  prize.
• 41:42
  And
• 41:43
  I'd
• 41:43
  just
• 41:43
  like
• 41:43
  to
• 41:44
  know
• 41:44
  what
• 41:44
  the
• 41:44
  hall
• 41:44
  of
• 41:45
  Famers
• 41:45
  Brett
• 41:45
  and
• 41:46
  Ozzie
• 41:46
  Smith
• 41:46
  were
• 41:47
  able
• 41:47
  to
• 41:47
  give
• 41:47
  you.
• 41:49
  Oh
• 41:49
  no,
• 41:49
  they
• 41:49
  gave
• 41:50
  me
• 41:50
  plenty
• 41:50
  of
• 41:50
  great
• 41:50
  stuff.
• 41:51
  Well,
• 41:51
  Ozzie,
• 41:53
  Ozzie
• 41:54
  and
• 41:54
  I
• 41:54
  had
• 41:54
  a
• 41:54
  great
• 41:54
  chat
• 41:55
  about
• 41:55
  him
• 41:55
  growing
• 41:56
  up
• 41:57
  as
• 41:57
  a
• 41:57
  Dodgers
• 41:58
  fan.
• 41:58
  I
• 41:58
  mean,
• 41:58
  obviously
• 41:59
  I'm
• 41:59
  a
• 41:59
  Dodgers
• 41:59
  fan
• 41:59
  too.
• 42:00
  And
• 42:00
  it's
• 42:01
  a
• 42:01
  perfect
• 42:01
  prelude
• 42:02
  because
• 42:02
  Ozzy
• 42:02
  killed
• 42:02
  The
• 42:03
  Dodgers
• 42:03
  in
• 42:03
  the
• 42:03
  1985
• 42:04
  NLCS.
• 42:05
  He
• 42:05
  was
• 42:05
  MVP
• 42:05
  of
• 42:06
  that
• 42:06
  series.
• 42:06
  He
• 42:07
  told
• 42:07
  me
• 42:07
  one
• 42:07
  of
• 42:07
  his
• 42:07
  favorite
• 42:08
  players
• 42:08
  as
• 42:08
  a
• 42:08
  kid
• 42:09
  was
• 42:09
  Billy
• 42:09
  Grab.
• 42:10
  Archivist.
• 42:12
  He's
• 42:12
  cut
• 42:13
  a
• 42:13
  one
• 42:13
  season
• 42:14
  wonder.
• 42:15
  I
• 42:15
  mean
• 42:15
  if
• 42:15
  that
• 42:15
  tells
• 42:16
  you
• 42:16
  what
• 42:16
  a
• 42:16
  fan
• 42:16
  Ozzy
• 42:17
  is,
• 42:17
  if
• 42:17
  he
• 42:17
  could
• 42:17
  drop
• 42:18
  a
• 42:18
  name
• 42:18
  like
• 42:18
  that.
• 42:19
  Yeah,
• 42:20
  I've
• 42:20
  met,
• 42:21
  I've
• 42:22
  met
• 42:22
  Billy
• 42:22
  Grab,
• 42:23
  Barkowitz,
• 42:24
  Marshall.
• 42:25
  I
• 42:26
  took
• 42:26
  a
• 42:26
  business
• 42:26
  trip
• 42:27
  to.
• 42:27
  He
• 42:27
  lives
• 42:28
  in
• 42:28
  Dallas
• 42:28
  and
• 42:29
  he
• 42:29
  has
• 42:29
  a
• 42:29
  business
• 42:29
  in
• 42:30
  Dallas.
• 42:31
  And
• 42:31
  I
• 42:32
  had
• 42:32
  a
• 42:32
  game
• 42:32
  used
• 42:33
  bat
• 42:33
  of
• 42:33
  his
• 42:34
  because
• 42:34
  I
• 42:34
  like
• 42:34
  the
• 42:35
  old
• 42:35
  Adirondack
• 42:36
  big
• 42:37
  sticks
• 42:37
  with
• 42:37
  the
• 42:37
  colored
• 42:38
  ring
• 42:38
  around
• 42:38
  them.
• 42:39
  I
• 42:39
  had
• 42:40
  one
• 42:40
  of
• 42:40
  Billy's
• 42:40
  so
• 42:41
  I
• 42:41
  figured
• 42:41
  let
• 42:41
  me
• 42:41
  try
• 42:42
  to
• 42:43
  as
• 42:43
  you
• 42:43
  know,
• 42:44
  try
• 42:44
  to
• 42:44
  get
• 42:44
  in
• 42:44
  touch
• 42:45
  with
• 42:45
  this
• 42:45
  guy.
• 42:46
  And
• 42:46
  this
• 42:46
  was
• 42:47
  before
• 42:47
  the
• 42:47
  Internet.
• 42:48
  And
• 42:48
  I
• 42:49
  was
• 42:49
  able
• 42:49
  to
• 42:49
  get
• 42:49
  through
• 42:50
  to
• 42:50
  him.
• 42:50
  And
• 42:50
  we
• 42:50
  met
• 42:51
  one
• 42:51
  day
• 42:52
  and
• 42:52
  he
• 42:52
  signed
• 42:53
  my
• 42:53
  bat
• 42:53
  for
• 42:53
  me.
• 42:53
  We
• 42:54
  took
• 42:54
  a
• 42:54
  photo
• 42:54
  together.
• 42:55
  I'll
• 42:56
  have
• 42:56
  to
• 42:56
  send
• 42:56
  you
• 42:56
  that.
• 42:57
  And
• 42:57
  as
• 42:58
  you
• 42:58
  said,
• 42:58
  a
• 42:58
  one
• 42:59
  hit
• 42:59
  wonder.
• 42:59
  I
• 43:00
  voted
• 43:00
  for
• 43:00
  him
• 43:01
  for
• 43:01
  the
• 43:01
  All
• 43:01
  Star
• 43:01
  Game
• 43:02
  that
• 43:02
  year.
• 43:02
  That
• 43:03
  was
• 43:03
  the,
• 43:03
  the,
• 43:03
  the
• 43:04
  times
• 43:04
  when
• 43:05
  you
• 43:05
  had
• 43:05
  the
• 43:05
  punch
• 43:06
  cards,
• 43:06
  the
• 43:06
  computer
• 43:07
  punch
• 43:07
  cards
• 43:08
  that
• 43:08
  you
• 43:08
  had
• 43:08
  to
• 43:08
  punch
• 43:09
  out
• 43:09
  the
• 43:10
  guy
• 43:10
  you
• 43:10
  were
• 43:11
  voting
• 43:11
  for.
• 43:12
  And
• 43:12
  I
• 43:12
  remember
• 43:13
  I
• 43:13
  voted
• 43:13
  for
• 43:13
  Billy
• 43:14
  Grabarkowitz
• 43:15
  because
• 43:15
  I
• 43:15
  voted
• 43:15
  strictly
• 43:17
  not
• 43:18
  on
• 43:18
  reputation,
• 43:19
  but
• 43:20
  on
• 43:20
  the
• 43:20
  kind
• 43:20
  of
• 43:20
  season
• 43:21
  the
• 43:21
  guy
• 43:21
  was
• 43:21
  having.
• 43:22
  And
• 43:22
  I
• 43:22
  remember
• 43:23
  voting
• 43:23
  for
• 43:23
  him
• 43:24
  for
• 43:24
  Clarence
• 43:25
  Gaston
• 43:26
  and
• 43:27
  guys
• 43:27
  like
• 43:27
  that
• 43:27
  because
• 43:28
  I
• 43:28
  felt
• 43:28
  they
• 43:28
  were
• 43:29
  deserving.
• 43:29
  But
• 43:30
  yeah,
• 43:30
  you
• 43:30
  mentioned
• 43:31
  Billy
• 43:31
  Grabarkowitz
• 43:32
  and
• 43:32
  that's
• 43:32
  funny.
• 43:33
  If
• 43:33
  I
• 43:34
  see
• 43:34
  Ozzie
• 43:35
  in
• 43:35
  Cooperstown
• 43:36
  this
• 43:36
  week,
• 43:36
  I
• 43:37
  will
• 43:37
  mention
• 43:37
  that
• 43:38
  to
• 43:38
  him.
• 43:38
  That
• 43:38
  is
• 43:38
  amazing,
• 43:40
  isn't
• 43:40
  that.
• 43:41
  Yeah,
• 43:41
  definitely
• 43:41
  bring
• 43:42
  it
• 43:42
  up.
• 43:42
  He'll.
• 43:42
  Yeah,
• 43:43
  Ozzy
• 43:43
  just.
• 43:44
  I
• 43:44
  was
• 43:44
  tickled
• 43:45
  by
• 43:45
  that
• 43:45
  too.
• 43:47
  That
• 43:47
  was
• 43:47
  one
• 43:47
  of
• 43:48
  my
• 43:48
  favorite
• 43:48
  bits
• 43:48
  from
• 43:48
  him.
• 43:49
  Yeah,
• 43:50
  with
• 43:51
  George
• 43:51
  Brett,
• 43:51
  he
• 43:51
  gave
• 43:52
  a
• 43:52
  lot
• 43:52
  of
• 43:52
  good
• 43:52
  stuff.
• 43:52
  In
• 43:53
  particular,
• 43:53
  I
• 43:53
  love
• 43:53
  how
• 43:54
  Brett,
• 43:54
  Brett,
• 43:55
  you'll
• 43:55
  notice,
• 43:56
  takes
• 43:56
  center
• 43:56
  stage
• 43:57
  in
• 43:57
  the
• 43:57
  last
• 43:57
  chapter
• 43:58
  of
• 43:58
  the
• 43:58
  book.
• 43:58
  About
• 43:59
  2014
• 43:59
  and
• 43:59
  15
• 44:00
  when
• 44:00
  the
• 44:01
  royals
• 44:01
  are
• 44:01
  finally
• 44:02
  good
• 44:02
  again
• 44:02
  and
• 44:02
  they're
• 44:02
  in
• 44:03
  the
• 44:03
  World
• 44:03
  Series
• 44:03
  and
• 44:03
  they
• 44:04
  win
• 44:04
  it.
• 44:04
  And
• 44:04
  Brett
• 44:05
  just
• 44:05
  had
• 44:05
  a
• 44:05
  lot
• 44:05
  of
• 44:05
  really
• 44:06
  beautiful
• 44:06
  things
• 44:07
  to
• 44:07
  say
• 44:07
  about
• 44:07
  that.
• 44:08
  He
• 44:08
  had
• 44:08
  a
• 44:08
  lot
• 44:08
  of
• 44:09
  pride
• 44:09
  talking
• 44:09
  about,
• 44:10
  you
• 44:10
  know
• 44:11
  when
• 44:11
  I
• 44:11
  asked
• 44:11
  him
• 44:11
  like
• 44:11
  what
• 44:12
  was
• 44:12
  like
• 44:12
  seeing
• 44:12
  all
• 44:12
  your
• 44:12
  old
• 44:12
  teammates
• 44:13
  come
• 44:13
  back
• 44:13
  to
• 44:13
  Coffin
• 44:14
  Stadium
• 44:14
  to
• 44:14
  see
• 44:15
  these
• 44:15
  playoffs.
• 44:15
  And
• 44:15
  he
• 44:16
  said
• 44:16
  to
• 44:16
  me,
• 44:16
  like,
• 44:17
  once
• 44:17
  a
• 44:17
  royal,
• 44:18
  you'll
• 44:18
  die
• 44:18
  a
• 44:18
  royal.
• 44:19
  And
• 44:19
  I
• 44:19
  thought
• 44:19
  that
• 44:19
  was
• 44:19
  really
• 44:20
  cool.
• 44:21
  Yeah,
• 44:22
  George.
• 44:23
  And
• 44:23
  George
• 44:24
  also
• 44:24
  told
• 44:24
  a
• 44:24
  great
• 44:24
  story
• 44:24
  about
• 44:25
  giving
• 44:25
  a
• 44:25
  speech
• 44:25
  at
• 44:26
  the
• 44:26
  2015
• 44:26
  parade
• 44:27
  calling
• 44:27
  the
• 44:27
  2015
• 44:28
  team
• 44:28
  the
• 44:29
  best
• 44:29
  ever.
• 44:30
  I
• 44:31
  really
• 44:31
  like
• 44:31
  the
• 44:31
  uniqueness
• 44:32
  of
• 44:32
  that
• 44:33
  perspective.
• 44:34
  George
• 44:34
  and
• 44:34
  Ozzy
• 44:35
  had
• 44:35
  a
• 44:35
  lot
• 44:35
  of
• 44:35
  great
• 44:35
  Bits.
• 44:36
  But
• 44:36
  those
• 44:36
  were
• 44:36
  some
• 44:37
  of
• 44:37
  the
• 44:37
  standouts.
• 44:37
  From
• 44:38
  those
• 44:38
  two
• 44:38
  nice,
• 44:39
  great
• 44:39
  stories.
• 44:40
  Marshall.
• 44:40
  We're
• 44:40
  speaking
• 44:41
  with
• 44:41
  Marshall
• 44:42
  Garvey
• 44:42
  tonight
• 44:43
  about
• 44:43
  his
• 44:43
  book
• 44:44
  i85
• 44:45
  and
• 44:45
  the
• 44:45
  Show
• 44:46
  Me
• 44:46
  World
• 44:46
  Series
• 44:47
  back
• 44:47
  in
• 44:47
  1985.
• 44:49
  27
• 44:50
  interviews,
• 44:52
  two
• 44:52
  hall
• 44:53
  of
• 44:53
  Famers,
• 44:54
  some
• 44:54
  amazing
• 44:55
  names
• 44:55
  like
• 44:55
  Van
• 44:56
  Slyke,
• 44:56
  Gubiza.
• 44:58
  You'll
• 44:58
  really
• 44:59
  enjoy
• 44:59
  it
• 44:59
  now.
• 45:00
  So
• 45:00
  let's
• 45:00
  talk
• 45:01
  about.
• 45:02
  Unfortunately,
• 45:04
  the
• 45:04
  thing
• 45:04
  that
• 45:04
  most
• 45:05
  people
• 45:05
  recall
• 45:05
  about
• 45:06
  that
• 45:06
  World
• 45:06
  Series
• 45:07
  thing,
• 45:08
  Marshall,
• 45:08
  is
• 45:09
  the
• 45:09
  Don
• 45:09
  Denkinger
• 45:10
  missed
• 45:10
  call,
• 45:11
  which
• 45:13
  happened
• 45:14
  and
• 45:15
  unfortunately
• 45:15
  defined
• 45:16
  Don
• 45:17
  Denkinger
• 45:17
  after
• 45:18
  that
• 45:19
  set
• 45:19
  the
• 45:19
  stage
• 45:20
  for
• 45:20
  us
• 45:21
  on
• 45:21
  that
• 45:21
  memorable
• 45:22
  event,
• 45:23
  of
• 45:23
  course.
• 45:24
  So
• 45:24
  it's
• 45:24
  game
• 45:25
  six
• 45:25
  of
• 45:25
  the
• 45:25
  85
• 45:26
  World
• 45:26
  Series.
• 45:27
  It's
• 45:27
  at
• 45:27
  Costume
• 45:27
  Stadium
• 45:28
  in
• 45:28
  Kansas
• 45:28
  City
• 45:29
  and
• 45:29
  the
• 45:29
  Cardinals
• 45:29
  are
• 45:29
  leading
• 45:30
  the
• 45:30
  series
• 45:30
  three
• 45:30
  games
• 45:31
  to
• 45:31
  two.
• 45:32
  A
• 45:32
  tight
• 45:32
  pitcher
• 45:32
  stool.
• 45:33
  Game
• 45:33
  six
• 45:33
  is
• 45:33
  like,
• 45:34
  oh,
• 45:34
  sweat
• 45:34
  out
• 45:34
  of
• 45:34
  your
• 45:34
  armpits.
• 45:35
  Just
• 45:35
  every
• 45:35
  moment
• 45:36
  elevated,
• 45:36
  so
• 45:37
  tense.
• 45:37
  But
• 45:37
  the
• 45:38
  Cardinals
• 45:38
  managed
• 45:39
  to
• 45:39
  take
• 45:39
  a
• 45:39
  lead,
• 45:39
  a
• 45:40
  one
• 45:40
  nothing
• 45:40
  lead
• 45:40
  in
• 45:40
  the
• 45:41
  eighth.
• 45:41
  And
• 45:41
  they're
• 45:42
  only
• 45:42
  three
• 45:42
  outs
• 45:42
  away
• 45:43
  from
• 45:43
  clinching
• 45:43
  their
• 45:43
  Kent
• 45:44
  Championship.
• 45:46
  Humongous,
• 45:47
  humongous
• 45:47
  milestones.
• 45:49
  Except
• 45:50
  leading
• 45:50
  off
• 45:50
  the
• 45:51
  ninth,
• 45:51
  George
• 45:51
  Orda,
• 45:52
  aging
• 45:52
  pinch
• 45:53
  hitter
• 45:53
  for
• 45:53
  the
• 45:53
  Royals,
• 45:53
  facing
• 45:54
  Todd
• 45:54
  Worrell,
• 45:55
  heat
• 45:55
  throwing
• 45:55
  rookie
• 45:56
  sensation
• 45:56
  for
• 45:56
  the
• 45:56
  Cardinals.
• 45:57
  Orda
• 45:57
  taps
• 45:58
  the
• 45:58
  grounder
• 45:58
  to
• 45:58
  the
• 45:59
  right
• 45:59
  side
• 45:59
  and
• 45:59
  it's
• 45:59
  the
• 46:00
  slow
• 46:00
  and
• 46:00
  really
• 46:01
  kind
• 46:01
  of
• 46:01
  weirdly
• 46:02
  shit
• 46:03
  weird
• 46:03
  play.
• 46:03
  George
• 46:04
  Brett
• 46:04
  said
• 46:04
  that
• 46:05
  to
• 46:05
  me,
• 46:05
  it's
• 46:05
  just
• 46:05
  not
• 46:05
  a
• 46:06
  smooth
• 46:06
  play.
• 46:06
  But
• 46:07
  regardless,
• 46:08
  the
• 46:08
  ball
• 46:08
  is
• 46:08
  fielded
• 46:09
  clearly
• 46:09
  in
• 46:10
  time
• 46:10
  to
• 46:10
  get
• 46:10
  Orta
• 46:10
  out
• 46:11
  at
• 46:11
  first.
• 46:12
  One
• 46:12
  problem,
• 46:12
  first
• 46:13
  base
• 46:13
  umpire
• 46:13
  Don
• 46:14
  tanking
• 46:14
  her
• 46:14
  got
• 46:15
  way
• 46:15
  too
• 46:15
  close
• 46:15
  in
• 46:16
  his
• 46:16
  observation.
• 46:17
  He
• 46:17
  viewed
• 46:17
  the
• 46:18
  play
• 46:18
  in
• 46:18
  two
• 46:18
  parts
• 46:19
  and
• 46:19
  the
• 46:19
  crowd
• 46:19
  noise
• 46:20
  was
• 46:20
  just
• 46:21
  ear
• 46:21
  splitting.
• 46:21
  He
• 46:22
  could
• 46:22
  not
• 46:22
  hear
• 46:22
  the
• 46:23
  pop,
• 46:23
  pop,
• 46:23
  you
• 46:24
  know,
• 46:24
  fallen
• 46:24
  gloves
• 46:25
  put
• 46:25
  on
• 46:25
  the
• 46:25
  bag
• 46:26
  like
• 46:26
  he
• 46:26
  usually
• 46:26
  does.
• 46:28
  So
• 46:28
  he
• 46:29
  sees
• 46:29
  it,
• 46:29
  he
• 46:29
  calls
• 46:30
  it
• 46:30
  as
• 46:30
  he
• 46:30
  sees
• 46:30
  it,
• 46:30
  like
• 46:31
  an
• 46:31
  umpire
• 46:31
  should.
• 46:32
  Paul
• 46:32
  Gordis,
• 46:33
  safe.
• 46:33
  And
• 46:34
  especially
• 46:34
  to
• 46:34
  all
• 46:34
  younger
• 46:35
  listeners,
• 46:35
  this
• 46:35
  is
• 46:36
  well
• 46:36
  before
• 46:36
  instant
• 46:36
  replay
• 46:37
  was
• 46:37
  implemented.
• 46:38
  The
• 46:38
  call
• 46:38
  just
• 46:39
  stands,
• 46:40
  even
• 46:40
  though
• 46:40
  it
• 46:40
  was
• 46:41
  obvious
• 46:41
  to
• 46:41
  almost
• 46:41
  everyone
• 46:42
  and
• 46:42
  the
• 46:42
  televised
• 46:43
  replay
• 46:43
  show
• 46:43
  order
• 46:44
  was
• 46:44
  out
• 46:44
  all
• 46:45
  the
• 46:45
  same.
• 46:46
  You
• 46:46
  know,
• 46:46
  it
• 46:47
  was
• 46:47
  just
• 46:47
  the
• 46:47
  first
• 46:47
  play
• 46:48
  and
• 46:48
  from
• 46:48
  there
• 46:48
  on
• 46:48
  was
• 46:49
  just
• 46:49
  a
• 46:49
  parade
• 46:50
  of
• 46:50
  royal
• 46:50
  heroics
• 46:51
  and
• 46:51
  cardinal
• 46:52
  miscues
• 46:53
  that
• 46:53
  culminated
• 46:54
  in
• 46:54
  a
• 46:54
  walk
• 46:54
  off
• 46:54
  hit
• 46:55
  by
• 46:55
  Dane
• 46:55
  Orange
• 46:55
  of
• 46:55
  the
• 46:56
  Royals.
• 46:56
  Then
• 46:57
  Kansas
• 46:57
  City
• 46:58
  trounces
• 46:58
  St.
• 46:59
  Louis
• 46:59
  11
• 46:59
  to
• 46:59
  nothing
• 47:00
  in
• 47:00
  Game
• 47:00
  7
• 47:00
  to
• 47:01
  take
• 47:01
  the
• 47:01
  title
• 47:01
  the
• 47:01
  following
• 47:02
  day.
• 47:02
  Oh,
• 47:03
  wicked.
• 47:04
  And
• 47:04
  you
• 47:05
  were
• 47:05
  able
• 47:05
  to
• 47:05
  talk
• 47:06
  to
• 47:06
  Don
• 47:07
  about
• 47:07
  this
• 47:07
  play?
• 47:09
  What
• 47:10
  I'm
• 47:10
  curious,
• 47:11
  what
• 47:11
  did
• 47:11
  George
• 47:12
  Brett
• 47:12
  have
• 47:13
  to
• 47:13
  say
• 47:13
  about
• 47:13
  it?
• 47:14
  Oh,
• 47:15
  well,
• 47:16
  George
• 47:16
  is,
• 47:17
  he's
• 47:17
  one
• 47:17
  of
• 47:17
  the
• 47:17
  many
• 47:18
  interviews
• 47:18
  I
• 47:18
  quote
• 47:19
  describing
• 47:19
  reactions
• 47:20
  to
• 47:20
  the
• 47:20
  call.
• 47:21
  George
• 47:21
  said,
• 47:22
  like
• 47:22
  I
• 47:22
  just
• 47:22
  said,
• 47:22
  George
• 47:23
  said
• 47:23
  he
• 47:23
  wasn't
• 47:24
  sure
• 47:24
  if
• 47:24
  Orda
• 47:25
  was
• 47:25
  out
• 47:25
  because
• 47:25
  he
• 47:25
  said,
• 47:26
  and
• 47:26
  George
• 47:26
  is
• 47:26
  right
• 47:26
  about
• 47:27
  this.
• 47:27
  It's
• 47:27
  not
• 47:27
  a
• 47:27
  fluid
• 47:28
  play,
• 47:28
  right?
• 47:29
  So
• 47:30
  George.
• 47:30
  And
• 47:30
  it's
• 47:31
  not
• 47:31
  like
• 47:31
  he
• 47:32
  was
• 47:32
  saying
• 47:32
  it
• 47:32
  like
• 47:32
  in
• 47:32
  denial.
• 47:33
  George
• 47:33
  just
• 47:34
  honestly
• 47:34
  thought
• 47:34
  in
• 47:35
  the
• 47:35
  moment,
• 47:35
  he
• 47:36
  couldn't
• 47:36
  tell.
• 47:36
  It
• 47:37
  seemed
• 47:37
  a
• 47:37
  little.
• 47:37
  A
• 47:38
  little
• 47:38
  off.
• 47:39
  But
• 47:39
  then
• 47:39
  later,
• 47:40
  George
• 47:40
  obviously
• 47:41
  saw
• 47:41
  the
• 47:41
  truth,
• 47:41
  you
• 47:41
  know,
• 47:42
  that
• 47:43
  he
• 47:43
  was
• 47:43
  out.
• 47:44
  But,
• 47:44
  you
• 47:45
  know,
• 47:45
  George
• 47:45
  and
• 47:45
  I
• 47:45
  agree
• 47:45
  with
• 47:46
  him
• 47:46
  and
• 47:46
  many
• 47:46
  others.
• 47:46
  Like,
• 47:47
  at
• 47:47
  the
• 47:47
  end
• 47:47
  of
• 47:47
  the
• 47:47
  day,
• 47:47
  it's
• 47:48
  just
• 47:48
  one
• 47:48
  play
• 47:49
  and
• 47:49
  the
• 47:49
  Cardinals
• 47:50
  still
• 47:50
  should
• 47:50
  have
• 47:50
  handled
• 47:50
  their
• 47:51
  business.
• 47:51
  But
• 47:52
  that
• 47:52
  was
• 47:52
  basically.
• 47:53
  And
• 47:53
  George
• 47:53
  also
• 47:53
  puts
• 47:54
  a
• 47:54
  lot
• 47:54
  of
• 47:54
  emphasis
• 47:54
  on,
• 47:55
  like,
• 47:55
  well,
• 47:55
  you
• 47:55
  still
• 47:55
  have
• 47:55
  a
• 47:55
  game
• 47:56
  seven
• 47:56
  to
• 47:56
  play.
• 47:57
  So
• 47:57
  that
• 47:58
  was
• 47:58
  basically
• 47:58
  his
• 47:58
  reaction
• 47:59
  when
• 47:59
  I
• 47:59
  talked
• 47:59
  to
• 47:59
  him
• 48:00
  about
• 48:00
  the
• 48:00
  call.
• 48:01
  Right.
• 48:01
  It
• 48:01
  was
• 48:02
  a
• 48:02
  monumental
• 48:02
  collapse,
• 48:03
  let's
• 48:03
  put
• 48:03
  it
• 48:04
  call
• 48:05
  a
• 48:05
  spade
• 48:05
  a
• 48:05
  spade
• 48:06
  by
• 48:06
  the
• 48:06
  St.
• 48:07
  Louis
• 48:07
  Cardinals.
• 48:08
  And
• 48:09
  one
• 48:10
  line
• 48:10
  I
• 48:11
  heard
• 48:11
  from
• 48:12
  the
• 48:12
  whole
• 48:12
  situation,
• 48:13
  Marshall
• 48:14
  was
• 48:14
  when
• 48:16
  Whitey
• 48:17
  went
• 48:17
  out
• 48:17
  the
• 48:17
  next
• 48:17
  night
• 48:18
  and
• 48:19
  he
• 48:19
  made
• 48:19
  a
• 48:19
  pitching
• 48:20
  change
• 48:20
  and
• 48:20
  he
• 48:21
  got
• 48:21
  tossed
• 48:21
  because
• 48:21
  he
• 48:22
  said
• 48:22
  to
• 48:22
  Don
• 48:22
  Denkinger,
• 48:24
  we
• 48:24
  wouldn't
• 48:24
  even
• 48:25
  be
• 48:25
  here
• 48:25
  if
• 48:25
  it
• 48:26
  was.
• 48:26
  If
• 48:26
  it
• 48:27
  wasn't
• 48:27
  for
• 48:27
  you.
• 48:29
  Right?
• 48:29
  And
• 48:29
  Dankinger,
• 48:30
  and
• 48:30
  I
• 48:30
  quote
• 48:30
  this
• 48:31
  in
• 48:31
  the
• 48:31
  book,
• 48:31
  and
• 48:31
  Dankinger
• 48:32
  shot
• 48:32
  that,
• 48:32
  well,
• 48:33
  if
• 48:33
  your
• 48:33
  team
• 48:33
  wasn't
• 48:33
  hitting
• 48:34
  like
• 48:34
  150,
• 48:34
  we
• 48:35
  wouldn't
• 48:35
  be
• 48:35
  here
• 48:35
  either.
• 48:36
  And
• 48:36
  Herzog
• 48:37
  responded
• 48:37
  with
• 48:37
  a
• 48:37
  stream
• 48:38
  of
• 48:38
  a
• 48:38
  big
• 48:38
  tirade,
• 48:39
  including
• 48:39
  some
• 48:40
  obscene
• 48:40
  name
• 48:41
  calling.
• 48:42
  So
• 48:42
  Herzog
• 48:42
  got
• 48:43
  tossed.
• 48:43
  And
• 48:43
  then
• 48:43
  Joaquin
• 48:44
  Anuhar,
• 48:45
  who
• 48:45
  nearly
• 48:45
  physically
• 48:46
  assailed
• 48:47
  Bankinger
• 48:48
  a
• 48:48
  few
• 48:48
  pitches
• 48:49
  later,
• 48:49
  he
• 48:49
  got
• 48:50
  tossed.
• 48:50
  So
• 48:51
  that
• 48:51
  was
• 48:51
  a
• 48:52
  very
• 48:53
  ignominious
• 48:53
  inning
• 48:54
  for
• 48:54
  the
• 48:54
  Cardinals.
• 48:55
  Yeah.
• 48:55
  And
• 48:56
  like
• 48:56
  I
• 48:56
  said,
• 48:57
  unfortunately,
• 48:58
  these
• 48:58
  events
• 48:59
  define
• 48:59
  that
• 49:00
  World
• 49:00
  Series
• 49:00
  almost.
• 49:02
  Let's
• 49:03
  talk
• 49:03
  about
• 49:03
  the
• 49:03
  interview
• 49:04
  you
• 49:04
  had
• 49:04
  with
• 49:04
  Don.
• 49:05
  How
• 49:05
  did
• 49:06
  you
• 49:06
  get
• 49:06
  through
• 49:07
  to
• 49:07
  him
• 49:08
  and
• 49:08
  tell
• 49:08
  us
• 49:08
  about
• 49:08
  the
• 49:09
  conversation?
• 49:10
  Oh,
• 49:11
  wonderful
• 49:11
  story.
• 49:12
  So
• 49:13
  Don
• 49:13
  was.
• 49:13
  This
• 49:14
  was
• 49:14
  early
• 49:14
  2021.
• 49:15
  I
• 49:15
  already
• 49:16
  got
• 49:16
  my
• 49:16
  first
• 49:16
  two
• 49:17
  interviews,
• 49:17
  Buddy
• 49:17
  Bianca,
• 49:18
  Lana
• 49:18
  and
• 49:18
  Mark
• 49:18
  Dubizon,
• 49:19
  back
• 49:19
  to
• 49:19
  back
• 49:20
  days.
• 49:20
  And
• 49:21
  my
• 49:21
  original
• 49:21
  publisher
• 49:22
  was
• 49:22
  really
• 49:22
  pushing
• 49:23
  for
• 49:23
  Jankinger,
• 49:23
  which
• 49:24
  is.
• 49:24
  Right.
• 49:24
  If
• 49:24
  I'm
• 49:24
  gonna
• 49:24
  write
• 49:25
  the
• 49:25
  ultimate
• 49:25
  85
• 49:25
  series
• 49:26
  book,
• 49:26
  I
• 49:26
  have
• 49:26
  to
• 49:26
  talk
• 49:26
  to
• 49:27
  Don.
• 49:27
  I
• 49:28
  got
• 49:28
  his.
• 49:28
  I
• 49:28
  got
• 49:28
  all
• 49:29
  this
• 49:29
  contact
• 49:29
  info
• 49:30
  from
• 49:30
  Dan
• 49:30
  Green
• 49:31
  of
• 49:31
  Sports
• 49:31
  Illustrated,
• 49:32
  who
• 49:32
  wrote
• 49:32
  an
• 49:32
  article
• 49:33
  about
• 49:33
  the
• 49:33
  call
• 49:34
  in
• 49:34
  2015
• 49:34
  for
• 49:35
  SI
• 49:36
  and
• 49:36
  I.
• 49:37
  It's
• 49:37
  the
• 49:37
  story
• 49:37
  of
• 49:38
  itself.
• 49:38
  But
• 49:38
  I
• 49:38
  was
• 49:39
  really
• 49:39
  apprehensive,
• 49:40
  really
• 49:40
  nervous.
• 49:41
  And
• 49:41
  then
• 49:41
  I
• 49:42
  took
• 49:42
  it.
• 49:42
  The
• 49:42
  day
• 49:43
  I
• 49:43
  was
• 49:43
  trying,
• 49:43
  I
• 49:43
  kept
• 49:44
  delaying
• 49:44
  it,
• 49:44
  like,
• 49:44
  I'm
• 49:45
  not
• 49:45
  gonna
• 49:45
  call
• 49:45
  Don.
• 49:45
  I
• 49:45
  kept
• 49:46
  looking
• 49:46
  for
• 49:46
  excuses.
• 49:46
  I
• 49:47
  watched
• 49:47
  my
• 49:47
  favorite
• 49:47
  video
• 49:48
  game
• 49:48
  channel.
• 49:48
  I
• 49:48
  just
• 49:49
  listened
• 49:49
  to
• 49:49
  music.
• 49:49
  I
• 49:50
  was
• 49:50
  like,
• 49:50
  I'm
• 49:50
  not
• 49:50
  gonna
• 49:50
  call.
• 49:51
  Then
• 49:51
  I
• 49:51
  took
• 49:51
  a
• 49:52
  nap
• 49:52
  And
• 49:52
  I
• 49:52
  had
• 49:52
  a
• 49:53
  nightmare
• 49:53
  that
• 49:53
  I
• 49:53
  botched
• 49:54
  calling
• 49:54
  him.
• 49:55
  So
• 49:55
  I
• 49:55
  got
• 49:56
  up.
• 49:56
  It
• 49:56
  just
• 49:57
  went
• 49:57
  through
• 49:57
  my
• 49:57
  post
• 49:57
  nap
• 49:58
  days,
• 49:59
  called
• 49:59
  Don,
• 50:00
  he
• 50:00
  answered
• 50:00
  and
• 50:00
  said
• 50:01
  yes.
• 50:01
  And
• 50:02
  we
• 50:02
  talked
• 50:02
  the
• 50:02
  following
• 50:03
  day,
• 50:03
  which
• 50:03
  was
• 50:03
  Valentine's
• 50:04
  Day
• 50:04
  2021.
• 50:06
  This
• 50:06
  is
• 50:06
  by
• 50:07
  phone,
• 50:07
  by
• 50:07
  the
• 50:07
  way.
• 50:08
  Dawn
• 50:08
  was
• 50:08
  joined
• 50:09
  by
• 50:09
  his
• 50:09
  wife
• 50:09
  Gail,
• 50:10
  and
• 50:10
  two
• 50:10
  of
• 50:10
  their
• 50:10
  daughters,
• 50:11
  Denise
• 50:11
  and
• 50:11
  Dana,
• 50:11
  and
• 50:12
  the
• 50:12
  conversation
• 50:13
  was
• 50:13
  a
• 50:13
  joy.
• 50:14
  They're
• 50:14
  a
• 50:15
  super
• 50:15
  sweet
• 50:16
  family.
• 50:16
  Dawn
• 50:17
  was
• 50:17
  a
• 50:17
  great
• 50:17
  guy
• 50:18
  and
• 50:19
  I
• 50:19
  talked
• 50:20
  about
• 50:20
  the
• 50:20
  call,
• 50:20
  but
• 50:20
  I
• 50:21
  asked
• 50:21
  him
• 50:21
  more
• 50:21
  about
• 50:21
  other
• 50:21
  stuff,
• 50:22
  like
• 50:22
  how
• 50:22
  did
• 50:22
  you
• 50:22
  meet
• 50:22
  your
• 50:22
  wife
• 50:23
  Gail?
• 50:24
  How
• 50:24
  did
• 50:24
  you
• 50:24
  get
• 50:24
  into
• 50:24
  umpiring?
• 50:25
  Tell
• 50:26
  me
• 50:26
  about
• 50:26
  some
• 50:26
  other
• 50:26
  feats
• 50:27
  in
• 50:27
  your
• 50:27
  career.
• 50:27
  And
• 50:27
  he
• 50:27
  really
• 50:28
  liked
• 50:28
  that.
• 50:28
  Yeah,
• 50:29
  and
• 50:29
  the
• 50:29
  family
• 50:29
  liked
• 50:30
  that
• 50:30
  too,
• 50:31
  so
• 50:31
  it
• 50:31
  was
• 50:31
  really
• 50:31
  sweet.
• 50:32
  Unfortunately,
• 50:33
  don
• 50:33
  passed
• 50:34
  in
• 50:34
  2023,
• 50:34
  so
• 50:35
  he
• 50:35
  didn't
• 50:35
  get
• 50:35
  to
• 50:35
  read
• 50:35
  the
• 50:36
  book,
• 50:36
  but
• 50:36
  his
• 50:37
  family
• 50:37
  has
• 50:37
  absolutely
• 50:38
  been
• 50:38
  loving
• 50:38
  it,
• 50:39
  so
• 50:39
  I'm
• 50:39
  glad
• 50:40
  I
• 50:40
  made
• 50:40
  that
• 50:40
  connection.
• 50:41
  Yeah,
• 50:41
  it's
• 50:41
  great
• 50:42
  that
• 50:42
  they
• 50:42
  saw
• 50:43
  Marshall,
• 50:44
  that
• 50:44
  you
• 50:44
  weren't
• 50:44
  there
• 50:45
  to
• 50:45
  hammer
• 50:45
  him.
• 50:45
  You
• 50:46
  know,
• 50:46
  you
• 50:46
  were
• 50:47
  there.
• 50:47
  You
• 50:47
  were
• 50:47
  interested
• 50:48
  in
• 50:48
  his
• 50:48
  life,
• 50:49
  in
• 50:49
  his
• 50:49
  story
• 50:50
  and
• 50:50
  not
• 50:51
  just
• 50:52
  the
• 50:53
  call.
• 50:55
  Exactly.
• 50:56
  Yeah.
• 50:56
  And
• 50:57
  that
• 50:57
  was
• 50:57
  one
• 50:57
  of
• 50:58
  the.
• 50:58
  That's
• 50:58
  the
• 50:58
  overall
• 50:59
  purpose
• 50:59
  of
• 50:59
  the
• 50:59
  book.
• 51:00
  You
• 51:00
  know,
• 51:00
  I
• 51:00
  do
• 51:00
  the
• 51:01
  call
• 51:01
  justice,
• 51:01
  but
• 51:01
  I
• 51:02
  tell
• 51:02
  a
• 51:02
  larger
• 51:03
  story
• 51:03
  beyond
• 51:03
  the
• 51:03
  call,
• 51:04
  with
• 51:04
  all
• 51:04
  these
• 51:04
  other
• 51:05
  moments
• 51:05
  and
• 51:05
  players
• 51:06
  that
• 51:06
  got
• 51:06
  overlooked
• 51:06
  and
• 51:07
  Don
• 51:07
  himself.
• 51:07
  I
• 51:08
  show
• 51:08
  that
• 51:08
  he
• 51:08
  was
• 51:08
  a
• 51:08
  great
• 51:08
  guy
• 51:09
  and
• 51:09
  a
• 51:09
  great
• 51:09
  umpire.
• 51:10
  It
• 51:10
  was
• 51:10
  more
• 51:10
  than
• 51:11
  just
• 51:11
  one
• 51:11
  mistake.
• 51:12
  As
• 51:12
  we
• 51:13
  said
• 51:13
  in
• 51:13
  the
• 51:13
  book,
• 51:14
  folks.
• 51:14
  The
• 51:14
  individual
• 51:15
  and
• 51:15
  collective
• 51:16
  roads
• 51:17
  traveled
• 51:17
  by
• 51:17
  the
• 51:17
  players
• 51:18
  and
• 51:18
  other
• 51:19
  folks
• 51:19
  who
• 51:19
  took
• 51:19
  part
• 51:20
  in
• 51:20
  the
• 51:21
  series,
• 51:22
  both
• 51:22
  during
• 51:22
  the
• 51:23
  series
• 51:24
  and
• 51:24
  later
• 51:24
  in
• 51:25
  their
• 51:25
  life,
• 51:25
  which
• 51:25
  we
• 51:25
  find
• 51:26
  out
• 51:26
  about
• 51:26
  Don
• 51:26
  Denkinger
• 51:28
  and
• 51:28
  unfortunately,
• 51:29
  as
• 51:29
  Marshall
• 51:30
  said,
• 51:30
  passed
• 51:31
  away
• 51:31
  two
• 51:31
  years
• 51:32
  after
• 51:32
  they
• 51:32
  spoke.
• 51:34
  What
• 51:34
  else
• 51:34
  is
• 51:34
  happening
• 51:35
  with
• 51:35
  the
• 51:35
  book,
• 51:35
  Marshall?
• 51:36
  Tell
• 51:36
  us
• 51:36
  about
• 51:36
  that.
• 51:38
  Oh,
• 51:39
  well,
• 51:39
  the
• 51:40
  book
• 51:40
  is
• 51:40
  doing
• 51:40
  great.
• 51:42
  I'm
• 51:43
  on
• 51:43
  podcasts
• 51:44
  or
• 51:44
  Sabre
• 51:44
  presentations
• 51:45
  or
• 51:45
  in
• 51:46
  person
• 51:46
  presentations
• 51:47
  and
• 51:47
  radio
• 51:47
  shows
• 51:48
  just
• 51:48
  about
• 51:48
  every
• 51:48
  week.
• 51:49
  I
• 51:49
  even
• 51:49
  got
• 51:49
  to
• 51:50
  to
• 51:50
  attend
• 51:50
  the
• 51:50
  1985
• 51:51
  Royals
• 51:52
  40th
• 51:52
  anniversary
• 51:53
  reunion
• 51:53
  in
• 51:54
  Kansas
• 51:54
  City.
• 51:54
  So
• 51:55
  I
• 51:55
  got
• 51:55
  to
• 51:55
  meet
• 51:55
  these
• 51:55
  guys
• 51:56
  in
• 51:56
  person.
• 51:58
  Still
• 51:58
  haven't
• 51:58
  come
• 51:59
  down
• 51:59
  from
• 51:59
  that
• 51:59
  night.
• 52:01
  Yeah,
• 52:01
  there's
• 52:01
  a
• 52:02
  lot
• 52:02
  going
• 52:02
  on
• 52:03
  right
• 52:03
  now.
• 52:04
  I
• 52:04
  am
• 52:04
  all
• 52:05
  in
• 52:05
  on
• 52:05
  pushing
• 52:05
  for
• 52:06
  a
• 52:06
  paperback
• 52:06
  edition
• 52:07
  for
• 52:07
  the
• 52:07
  book.
• 52:08
  And
• 52:08
  then
• 52:08
  as
• 52:09
  soon
• 52:09
  as
• 52:09
  that's
• 52:09
  locked
• 52:10
  in,
• 52:10
  I
• 52:10
  will
• 52:11
  pivot
• 52:11
  to
• 52:11
  focusing
• 52:12
  on
• 52:12
  getting
• 52:12
  an
• 52:13
  audiobook.
• 52:14
  So
• 52:15
  this
• 52:15
  book
• 52:15
  has,
• 52:17
  so
• 52:17
  to
• 52:17
  speak,
• 52:17
  a
• 52:17
  long
• 52:18
  road
• 52:18
  ahead
• 52:18
  of
• 52:18
  promotion.
• 52:19
  It's
• 52:19
  got
• 52:20
  legs.
• 52:22
  Go
• 52:22
  ahead.
• 52:23
  It's
• 52:24
  got
• 52:24
  legs.
• 52:25
  Hell,
• 52:26
  yeah,
• 52:26
  it's
• 52:26
  got
• 52:26
  legs.
• 52:27
  People
• 52:28
  have
• 52:28
  been
• 52:28
  loving
• 52:28
  it.
• 52:28
  I
• 52:29
  had
• 52:29
  someone
• 52:29
  recently
• 52:30
  tell
• 52:30
  me
• 52:30
  it
• 52:30
  was
• 52:31
  one
• 52:31
  of
• 52:31
  the
• 52:31
  best
• 52:31
  books
• 52:31
  I'd
• 52:32
  ever
• 52:32
  read,
• 52:32
  and
• 52:32
  he
• 52:32
  Compared
• 52:33
  me
• 52:33
  to
• 52:33
  David
• 52:33
  Halberstam,
• 52:34
  which
• 52:34
  I
• 52:34
  just
• 52:35
  blew
• 52:35
  my
• 52:35
  mind.
• 52:37
  Yeah,
• 52:38
  I
• 52:38
  mean,
• 52:38
  that
• 52:39
  was
• 52:39
  his
• 52:39
  words,
• 52:39
  not
• 52:39
  mine.
• 52:40
  So,
• 52:40
  yeah,
• 52:41
  the
• 52:41
  book
• 52:41
  is.
• 52:41
  Is
• 52:42
  doing
• 52:42
  really
• 52:42
  well.
• 52:42
  And
• 52:43
  again,
• 52:43
  I
• 52:44
  love
• 52:44
  talking
• 52:44
  about
• 52:44
  it,
• 52:45
  love
• 52:45
  sharing
• 52:45
  with
• 52:45
  everyone.
• 52:46
  So,
• 52:46
  yeah,
• 52:46
  all
• 52:47
  in
• 52:47
  on
• 52:47
  the
• 52:47
  paperback
• 52:48
  for
• 52:48
  now,
• 52:48
  and
• 52:48
  then
• 52:49
  much
• 52:49
  more
• 52:49
  to
• 52:49
  come
• 52:50
  after
• 52:50
  that.
• 52:51
  What
• 52:51
  would
• 52:51
  you
• 52:52
  say,
• 52:52
  Marshall?
• 52:53
  Marshall
• 52:54
  Garvey
• 52:54
  with
• 52:54
  us
• 52:55
  tonight
• 52:55
  is
• 52:56
  the
• 52:56
  epilogue
• 52:57
  of
• 52:57
  the
• 52:57
  whole
• 52:57
  story
• 52:58
  of
• 52:58
  the
• 52:58
  whole
• 52:59
  series.
• 53:00
  And
• 53:01
  basically,
• 53:01
  what
• 53:01
  did
• 53:02
  we
• 53:02
  learn?
• 53:03
  And
• 53:04
  what's
• 53:04
  the
• 53:04
  final
• 53:05
  word?
• 53:06
  Epilogue.
• 53:07
  And
• 53:08
  I
• 53:08
  trace
• 53:08
  this
• 53:08
  in
• 53:09
  detail
• 53:09
  in
• 53:09
  the
• 53:09
  book,
• 53:09
  black
• 53:10
  two
• 53:10
  chapters.
• 53:11
  But
• 53:11
  the
• 53:11
  epilogue
• 53:11
  is
• 53:12
  basically,
• 53:12
  the
• 53:13
  85
• 53:13
  series
• 53:14
  was
• 53:14
  of
• 53:14
  great
• 53:14
  consequence
• 53:15
  to
• 53:15
  the
• 53:15
  Royals
• 53:16
  and
• 53:16
  Cardinals
• 53:16
  because
• 53:16
  they
• 53:17
  ended
• 53:17
  up
• 53:17
  going
• 53:17
  through
• 53:17
  some
• 53:17
  tribulation
• 53:19
  before
• 53:19
  they
• 53:19
  won
• 53:19
  their
• 53:19
  next
• 53:20
  championships
• 53:21
  years
• 53:21
  decades
• 53:22
  later,
• 53:22
  especially
• 53:22
  the
• 53:22
  Royals,
• 53:23
  they
• 53:23
  had
• 53:23
  a
• 53:23
  lot
• 53:23
  of
• 53:23
  bad
• 53:24
  years.
• 53:24
  But
• 53:25
  the
• 53:25
  main
• 53:25
  thing
• 53:25
  with
• 53:25
  the
• 53:26
  epilogue
• 53:26
  is
• 53:26
  you
• 53:26
  see
• 53:26
  how
• 53:27
  Don
• 53:27
  Dankinger
• 53:27
  learns
• 53:28
  to
• 53:28
  embrace
• 53:28
  life
• 53:29
  with
• 53:29
  the
• 53:29
  call.
• 53:30
  He
• 53:30
  kind
• 53:30
  of.
• 53:31
  He
• 53:31
  even
• 53:32
  starts
• 53:32
  going
• 53:32
  to
• 53:32
  Cardinal
• 53:33
  events.
• 53:33
  He
• 53:33
  goes
• 53:33
  to
• 53:33
  a
• 53:33
  Royals
• 53:34
  reunion
• 53:34
  in
• 53:34
  2015.
• 53:35
  I
• 53:36
  think
• 53:36
  the
• 53:36
  epilogue
• 53:36
  ultimately,
• 53:37
  is
• 53:37
  that.
• 53:38
  But
• 53:38
  for
• 53:38
  all
• 53:38
  the
• 53:38
  bitterness
• 53:39
  over
• 53:39
  the
• 53:39
  call,
• 53:40
  the
• 53:40
  85
• 53:41
  World
• 53:41
  Series
• 53:41
  was
• 53:41
  a
• 53:42
  tremendous
• 53:42
  chapter
• 53:42
  in
• 53:43
  baseball
• 53:43
  history
• 53:44
  that
• 53:44
  had
• 53:45
  so
• 53:45
  much
• 53:45
  more
• 53:45
  to
• 53:45
  appreciate
• 53:46
  and
• 53:47
  that
• 53:47
  in
• 53:47
  the
• 53:48
  decades
• 53:48
  since,
• 53:48
  40
• 53:49
  years
• 53:49
  later
• 53:49
  especially,
• 53:50
  everything's
• 53:51
  come
• 53:51
  full
• 53:51
  circle.
• 53:53
  You
• 53:53
  know,
• 53:53
  the
• 53:53
  people
• 53:54
  from
• 53:54
  that
• 53:54
  World
• 53:55
  Series
• 53:55
  have
• 53:55
  gone
• 53:55
  on
• 53:56
  to
• 53:56
  live
• 53:56
  great
• 53:56
  lives
• 53:57
  long
• 53:57
  after
• 53:57
  they
• 53:57
  left
• 53:58
  the
• 53:58
  game.
• 53:59
  Saint
• 53:59
  Muir
• 53:59
  himself
• 53:59
  lived
• 54:00
  out
• 54:00
  a
• 54:00
  great
• 54:00
  life
• 54:00
  before
• 54:01
  passing
• 54:01
  away.
• 54:02
  The
• 54:02
  Royals
• 54:02
  and
• 54:02
  Cardinals
• 54:04
  both
• 54:04
  have
• 54:04
  won
• 54:04
  World
• 54:04
  Series
• 54:05
  since
• 54:05
  then.
• 54:06
  So
• 54:06
  the
• 54:06
  epilogue,
• 54:07
  ultimately,
• 54:07
  is
• 54:07
  a
• 54:07
  pretty
• 54:08
  optimistic
• 54:08
  one.
• 54:09
  You
• 54:09
  know,
• 54:11
  it
• 54:11
  shows
• 54:11
  how
• 54:13
  legacies
• 54:14
  and
• 54:14
  fates
• 54:14
  from
• 54:15
  a
• 54:15
  specific
• 54:15
  World
• 54:15
  Series
• 54:16
  can
• 54:17
  go
• 54:18
  in
• 54:18
  some
• 54:18
  unplanned
• 54:19
  directions
• 54:19
  and
• 54:20
  can
• 54:20
  ripple
• 54:20
  for
• 54:20
  decades
• 54:21
  after
• 54:21
  the
• 54:21
  fact.
• 54:22
  And
• 54:23
  that's
• 54:24
  basically
• 54:24
  the
• 54:24
  long
• 54:24
  and
• 54:24
  short
• 54:25
  of
• 54:25
  it.
• 54:25
  Well
• 54:25
  said.
• 54:26
  I
• 54:26
  was
• 54:27
  really,
• 54:27
  again,
• 54:28
  honored
• 54:28
  to
• 54:28
  talk
• 54:28
  to
• 54:28
  so
• 54:29
  many
• 54:29
  of
• 54:29
  these
• 54:29
  people
• 54:29
  and
• 54:30
  capture
• 54:31
  their
• 54:31
  legacies
• 54:31
  all
• 54:32
  these
• 54:32
  years
• 54:32
  later.
• 54:33
  Well
• 54:33
  said,
• 54:33
  Marshall.
• 54:34
  Now,
• 54:34
  I.
• 54:34
  I
• 54:35
  also
• 54:35
  read
• 54:36
  somewhere
• 54:36
  that
• 54:36
  Don
• 54:37
  Deckinger
• 54:38
  at
• 54:38
  these
• 54:38
  events
• 54:39
  was.
• 54:40
  Was
• 54:40
  welcomed
• 54:41
  by
• 54:41
  Cardinal
• 54:41
  fans.
• 54:43
  He
• 54:43
  sure
• 54:43
  was.
• 54:44
  Well,
• 54:44
  he
• 54:44
  did
• 54:44
  like
• 54:45
  an
• 54:45
  Autograph
• 54:45
  signing
• 54:45
  in
• 54:46
  2004,
• 54:46
  the
• 54:47
  day
• 54:47
  after
• 54:47
  the
• 54:47
  Cardinals
• 54:48
  clinched
• 54:48
  the
• 54:48
  pennant.
• 54:49
  And
• 54:50
  he
• 54:50
  went
• 54:50
  to,
• 54:50
  like,
• 54:51
  20th
• 54:51
  anniversary
• 54:52
  reunion
• 54:53
  for
• 54:53
  the
• 54:53
  85
• 54:53
  cardinals.
• 54:54
  You
• 54:54
  know,
• 54:55
  there'll
• 54:55
  be
• 54:55
  some
• 54:55
  events
• 54:55
  where
• 54:55
  he'd
• 54:56
  maybe
• 54:56
  get
• 54:56
  a
• 54:56
  few
• 54:56
  boots,
• 54:57
  but
• 54:57
  overall,
• 54:57
  fans
• 54:58
  warmed
• 54:58
  up
• 54:58
  to
• 54:58
  him.
• 54:59
  He
• 54:59
  would
• 54:59
  find
• 54:59
  memorabilia.
• 55:00
  He'd
• 55:00
  find,
• 55:01
  like,
• 55:01
  an
• 55:01
  eye
• 55:01
  chart,
• 55:02
  you.
• 55:02
  Know,
• 55:02
  poke
• 55:02
  fun
• 55:03
  at
• 55:03
  it.
• 55:03
  Yeah,
• 55:04
  he
• 55:04
  learned
• 55:04
  to
• 55:05
  have
• 55:05
  fun
• 55:05
  with
• 55:05
  it.
• 55:05
  And
• 55:06
  so,
• 55:06
  yeah,
• 55:06
  he.
• 55:06
  He
• 55:07
  became
• 55:07
  kind
• 55:07
  of
• 55:07
  an
• 55:08
  I,
• 55:08
  you
• 55:08
  know,
• 55:08
  a
• 55:08
  beloved
• 55:09
  villain
• 55:09
  like
• 55:10
  Mirror,
• 55:10
  more
• 55:10
  or
• 55:10
  less
• 55:11
  in
• 55:11
  St.
• 55:11
  Louis
• 55:12
  for
• 55:12
  some
• 55:12
  people.
• 55:12
  It's
• 55:13
  an
• 55:13
  interesting
• 55:13
  arc.
• 55:14
  I
• 55:14
  don't
• 55:14
  think
• 55:15
  anyone
• 55:15
  Would
• 55:15
  have
• 55:15
  seen
• 55:15
  that
• 55:15
  coming
• 55:16
  in
• 55:16
  85.
• 55:16
  But
• 55:17
  yeah,
• 55:17
  he
• 55:17
  again,
• 55:17
  he
• 55:18
  learned
• 55:18
  to
• 55:18
  embrace
• 55:18
  it.
• 55:19
  I
• 55:19
  thought
• 55:19
  that
• 55:19
  was
• 55:19
  really
• 55:19
  sweet.
• 55:20
  No,
• 55:20
  a
• 55:20
  happy
• 55:21
  ending.
• 55:21
  A
• 55:21
  happy
• 55:22
  ending.
• 55:22
  That's.
• 55:23
  That's
• 55:23
  for
• 55:23
  sure.
• 55:23
  For
• 55:24
  don't.
• 55:25
  And
• 55:25
  as
• 55:25
  I
• 55:26
  spoke
• 55:27
  with
• 55:28
  earlier
• 55:28
  with
• 55:29
  Chris
• 55:29
  Donnelly
• 55:30
  about
• 55:30
  the
• 55:31
  2000
• 55:32
  subway
• 55:32
  series
• 55:33
  between
• 55:34
  the
• 55:34
  Mets
• 55:35
  and
• 55:35
  the
• 55:35
  Yankees
• 55:36
  and
• 55:37
  paralleling
• 55:38
  with
• 55:38
  your
• 55:39
  book,
• 55:40
  the
• 55:40
  events
• 55:42
  are
• 55:42
  what
• 55:42
  makes
• 55:43
  baseball
• 55:43
  baseball.
• 55:46
  Absolutely.
• 55:47
  And
• 55:47
  that's.
• 55:48
  And
• 55:49
  I
• 55:49
  found
• 55:49
  it
• 55:49
  so
• 55:50
  poetic
• 55:50
  that
• 55:50
  you
• 55:50
  talked
• 55:51
  about
• 55:51
  Chris
• 55:51
  and
• 55:51
  I
• 55:52
  in
• 55:52
  the
• 55:52
  same
• 55:53
  show
• 55:53
  about
• 55:53
  the
• 55:53
  hyper
• 55:54
  provincial
• 55:54
  World
• 55:55
  Series.
• 55:55
  Right.
• 55:56
  And
• 55:56
  what
• 55:57
  they
• 55:57
  mean.
• 55:57
  Like
• 55:58
  that's.
• 55:58
  I
• 55:58
  remember
• 55:58
  the
• 55:59
  Subway
• 55:59
  Series.
• 55:59
  That's
• 56:00
  the
• 56:00
  year
• 56:00
  I
• 56:00
  got
• 56:00
  into
• 56:00
  baseball,
• 56:01
  2000.
• 56:02
  What
• 56:02
  that
• 56:02
  meant
• 56:02
  to
• 56:03
  that
• 56:03
  whole
• 56:03
  city.
• 56:04
  Same
• 56:04
  thing
• 56:04
  with
• 56:04
  85.
• 56:06
  It
• 56:06
  wasn't
• 56:06
  just
• 56:07
  loved
• 56:07
  by
• 56:07
  Kansas
• 56:08
  City
• 56:08
  and
• 56:08
  St.
• 56:08
  Louis.
• 56:09
  The
• 56:09
  most
• 56:09
  remote
• 56:10
  nothing
• 56:11
  towns
• 56:11
  in
• 56:11
  Missouri
• 56:12
  were
• 56:13
  living
• 56:13
  and
• 56:13
  dying
• 56:14
  with
• 56:14
  every
• 56:14
  pitch.
• 56:14
  It
• 56:15
  was
• 56:15
  a
• 56:15
  cultural
• 56:16
  event
• 56:16
  for
• 56:16
  Missouri
• 56:17
  as
• 56:17
  a
• 56:17
  whole.
• 56:17
  And
• 56:18
  I
• 56:18
  love
• 56:18
  that
• 56:18
  I
• 56:19
  chose
• 56:19
  to
• 56:19
  show
• 56:19
  that
• 56:20
  baseball
• 56:21
  and
• 56:21
  the
• 56:21
  World
• 56:21
  Series
• 56:22
  really
• 56:22
  is
• 56:23
  more
• 56:23
  than
• 56:23
  just
• 56:23
  a
• 56:23
  game.
• 56:24
  It's
• 56:25
  a
• 56:25
  transcendent
• 56:26
  event
• 56:26
  historically.
• 56:28
  And
• 56:28
  I
• 56:28
  think
• 56:28
  my
• 56:29
  book,
• 56:29
  and
• 56:29
  I'd
• 56:29
  like
• 56:30
  to
• 56:30
  read
• 56:30
  Chris's,
• 56:30
  too,
• 56:30
  really
• 56:31
  shows
• 56:31
  that.
• 56:32
  Yeah.
• 56:33
  And
• 56:33
  the
• 56:34
  way
• 56:34
  you
• 56:34
  parallel
• 56:36
  the
• 56:36
  culture
• 56:37
  of
• 56:37
  the
• 56:37
  times,
• 56:38
  the
• 56:38
  music,
• 56:38
  the
• 56:39
  movies,
• 56:40
  the
• 56:40
  politics,
• 56:41
  everything
• 56:42
  really
• 56:42
  falls
• 56:43
  right
• 56:43
  in
• 56:43
  line
• 56:44
  with
• 56:44
  it
• 56:44
  then.
• 56:44
  You
• 56:45
  did
• 56:45
  a
• 56:45
  tremendous
• 56:46
  job
• 56:46
  there,
• 56:46
  Marshall.
• 56:48
  Thank
• 56:48
  you.
• 56:48
  I
• 56:48
  really
• 56:48
  appreciate
• 56:49
  that.
• 56:49
  Well,
• 56:50
  Marshall
• 56:51
  Garvey,
• 56:51
  I
• 56:52
  appreciate
• 56:52
  you
• 56:52
  coming
• 56:53
  on
• 56:53
  the
• 56:53
  show
• 56:53
  tonight,
• 56:54
  taking
• 56:54
  time
• 56:54
  out
• 56:54
  of
• 56:55
  your
• 56:55
  Sunday
• 56:55
  evening
• 56:56
  to
• 56:56
  spend
• 56:56
  it
• 56:56
  with
• 56:57
  us
• 56:57
  here
• 56:57
  in
• 56:57
  New
• 56:57
  York.
• 56:58
  The
• 56:59
  book
• 56:59
  again,
• 56:59
  folks,
• 57:00
  is
• 57:00
  titled
• 57:01
  i84
• 57:02
  85.
• 57:03
  I'm
• 57:03
  sorry,
• 57:04
  the
• 57:04
  Show
• 57:05
  Me
• 57:05
  World
• 57:05
  Series.
• 57:06
  Marshall
• 57:07
  Garvey
• 57:07
  is
• 57:07
  the
• 57:08
  author.
• 57:08
  Pick
• 57:09
  that
• 57:09
  up.
• 57:09
  You
• 57:10
  really
• 57:10
  will
• 57:10
  enjoy
• 57:11
  it.
• 57:11
  And
• 57:12
  thank
• 57:12
  you
• 57:13
  for
• 57:13
  being
• 57:13
  with
• 57:13
  us,
• 57:13
  Marshall.
• 57:15
  Thank
• 57:15
  you
• 57:15
  very
• 57:15
  much.
• 57:16
  Yeah,
• 57:16
  you
• 57:16
  can
• 57:16
  buy
• 57:17
  the
• 57:17
  book
• 57:17
  Interstate
• 57:17
  85,
• 57:18
  Royals,
• 57:19
  the
• 57:19
  Cardinals,
• 57:19
  and
• 57:19
  the
• 57:19
  Show
• 57:19
  Me
• 57:20
  World
• 57:20
  Series
• 57:20
  again
• 57:21
  through
• 57:21
  Amazon,
• 57:21
  Barnes
• 57:22
  and
• 57:22
  Noble,
• 57:22
  all
• 57:22
  major
• 57:23
  booksellers.
• 57:23
  Thank
• 57:24
  you
• 57:24
  all
• 57:24
  for
• 57:24
  your
• 57:24
  support.
• 57:25
  And
• 57:25
  Bill,
• 57:25
  thank
• 57:26
  you
• 57:26
  so
• 57:26
  much
• 57:26
  for
• 57:26
  having
• 57:26
  me.
• 57:27
  It
• 57:27
  was
• 57:27
  a
• 57:27
  great
• 57:27
  shot.
• 57:28
  Wonderful.
• 57:28
  Thank
• 57:28
  you,
• 57:29
  Marshall.
• 57:29
  That's
• 57:29
  Marshall
• 57:30
  Garvey,
• 57:30
  ladies
• 57:30
  and
• 57:31
  gentlemen.
• 57:31
  That'll
• 57:32
  do
• 57:32
  it
• 57:32
  for
• 57:32
  me
• 57:32
  tonight
• 57:32
  on
• 57:33
  Sports
• 57:33
  Talk
• 57:33
  New
• 57:33
  York.
• 57:34
  I'd
• 57:34
  like
• 57:34
  to
• 57:34
  thank
• 57:34
  my
• 57:35
  guests
• 57:35
  Art
• 57:36
  Shamsky,
• 57:36
  Chris
• 57:37
  Donnelly,
• 57:37
  Steve
• 57:37
  Ditmore
• 57:38
  and
• 57:39
  Marshall
• 57:39
  Garvey.
• 57:40
  My
• 57:40
  engineer,
• 57:41
  Brian
• 57:41
  Graves,
• 57:42
  and
• 57:42
  of
• 57:42
  course,
• 57:42
  you
• 57:43
  guys
• 57:43
  for
• 57:43
  joining
• 57:43
  us.
• 57:44
  I'll
• 57:44
  see
• 57:44
  you
• 57:44
  Next
• 57:45
  on
• 57:45
  Sunday,
• 57:45
  August
• 57:46
  3
• 57:46
  for
• 57:46
  more
• 57:47
  sports
• 57:47
  Talk
• 57:47
  New
• 57:47
  York.
• 57:48
  Till
• 57:48
  then,
• 57:49
  be
• 57:49
  safe,
• 57:49
  be
• 57:49
  well.
• 57:50
  Bill
• 57:50
  Donahue,
• 57:51
  wishing
• 57:51
  you
• 57:51
  a
• 57:51
  good
• 57:52
  evening,
• 57:52
  folks.
• 58:01
  The
• 58:01
  views
• 58:02
  expressed
• 58:02
  in
• 58:02
  the
• 58:02
  previous
• 58:03
  program
• 58:03
  did
• 58:03
  not
• 58:04
  necessarily
• 58:04
  represent
• 58:05
  those
• 58:05
  of
• 58:05
  the
• 58:05
  staff,
• 58:05
  management
• 58:06
  or
• 58:06
  owners
• 58:07
  of
• 58:07
  wgbb.