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#284 - Tucker & Buckley Carlson: From Trump Allies to Candace Conspiracies—What’s Happening? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Tucker Carlson and his brother got to sit down yesterday and discussed a lot of crazy issues.
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  They started off pretty subtle, pretty low key, talked about how Buckley Carlson
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  came from a massive Trump supporter to becoming against the president at this point.
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  And you could say Tucker Carlson is there as well.
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  I have noticed that over time, it seems like everybody eventually turns on Donald Trump.
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  It seems like that. And is it like, is it better to be a Trump supporter or
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  a former Trump supporter?
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  I would say it's almost, it's kind of embarrassing to be a former Trump supporter.
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  But I mean, I don't think you need to completely turn away from the man.
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  Call it out. Call him out if things are wrong. But don't look through a lens
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  of like, I'm against the President Trump.
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  I'm against him. So I'm going to have Trump derangement syndrome and think that
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  everything he does is wrong.
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  And I think that that's where both of these men have went.
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  But the conversation turned when they started discussing conspiratorial issues
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  regarding Charlie Kirk, his assassination, and then also they got into Islam, and I thought,
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  I heard some of the takes that I heard from Tucker Carlson, especially when
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  they got into the Charlie Kirk issue, where they got into the story.
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  He went off the rails. I've never seen him be this disconnected with reality
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  as he is when he got into this. We're going to take a look at this first clip.
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  So, you know, it's the Norse heaven. It's a pagan understanding of heaven. Yes. Right?
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  So, Charlie Kirk is a serious, orthodox, you know, lowercase O, Christian.
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  He's like a real Bible-believing Christian. Yes. He does not believe in Valhalla.
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  He rejects Valhalla. Yes. Like, that's ridiculous, actually,
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  to say that about a Christian man. Valhalla? Yes.
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  No, we're monotheists who believe in Jesus. There's no Valhalla in my world.
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  Yes. Why would you say that?
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  And no one's ever held him to account. He's never felt compelled to explain
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  that. Or the emphasis on 33.
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  It took 33 hours to bring this guy to justice. And then he repeated it several times.
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  All right. I have this in a pretty sped up version.
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  And Tucker, he takes even here a long time to even respond to this.
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  He does not want to take that bait that his brother puts before him to go down that road.
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  I don't know. I literally have no idea. So everything surrounding it creates,
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  obviously, unrest and disillusionment and anger.
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  Can I say my favorite line? We had dinner with Russell Brand at home last night.
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  Obviously, you were there.
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  And his line that, you know, the thing about lone gunmen is they always seem
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  to assassinate people who challenge institutional power. It's kind of amazing.
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  Your average lone gunman just goes out, who knows why, and kills people who
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  are criticizing the people in charge.
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  Maybe the people in charge should connect with the lone gunman community.
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  Kind of like McDonald's and Coca-Cola got together. It's just like a natural
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  partnership. Have they ever thought of that? That's great.
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  So this was almost the worst take I've ever heard from Tucker Carlson right there.
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  I don't know if I've really ever heard him say anything crazier than this.
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  Because he's going down a trail of what political institution was Charlie Kirk
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  attacking? What was he going at?
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  He stood with Donald Trump. He stood with the president. He got him elected into office.
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  The most vehement Israel supporter there is, to the day he died,
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  he was an Israel supporter.
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  He questioned a couple of things, and he wasn't afraid to do that about the
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  government of Israel, but he stood with Israel.
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  So what political government or institution was he challenging?
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  So this is where it kind of goes off the rails because they're bringing up,
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  you know, Kash Patel said some nutso things out there.
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  You know, I'll see you in Valhalla, Charlie.
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  That's not in the Christian worldview. But I mean, so what does that mean?
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  Like, so because he's there, because Kash Patel has been put into that office,
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  to that position that he's somehow orchestrating all this.
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  All this is just as Candace Owens nutso conspiracy land. That's all it is.
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  There's no actually, why would they do this? If they actually,
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  our government, our government put something together and they made all this
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  happen, they put everyone in place, they colluded with Israel,
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  they got everyone there and did all this and it worked out perfectly.
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  But the question is, why? Why would they do that? What would be the point of it?
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  Because he was supporting Trump. He was supporting the government in place right
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  now for us in the U.S. and then also he backed and supported Israel,
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  it makes no logical sense.
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  And to say that there's all these lone gunmans are out there.
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  They do these, they're challenging.
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  I know Russell Brand just said something probably flippant or whatever.
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  I would have liked to have seen what happened at that dinner table,
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  but just be, you can say something crazy doesn't make it true. It doesn't.
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  Land on reality at all where we're at. It doesn't make sense.
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  There's no follow through.
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  There's nothing actually behind it. It's just shouting out nutso things because
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  you're almost, you're turning away from Trump now because I'm turning away from Trump.
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  I'm going to go down this crazy rabbit trail that Candace Owens has put up there
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  for everyone. It doesn't make sense.
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  On this next one, they're going to get into actually the whole issue with Islam
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  and Tucker being sympathetic with Islam.
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  Has he gone down that road? Have you been noticing that?
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  I've noticed in that. Why is he almost so offended for Islam and people that are Muslims?
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  I mean, that's kind of the question. The only people he's been loyal to are
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  the neocons and his donors.
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  So he's attacked, you know, so he attacks Islam. So I'm going to stand up and
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  say, probably shouldn't be attacking a religion. Oh, you're a Muslim,
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  secret Muslim. You love Muslims.
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  I like reverence, and I don't think you should attack people on the basis of
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  their religion. You don't attack their religion. Yes.
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  And all these evangelicals are like, oh, I see you're a Muslim.
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  The next week, he attacks Jesus.
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  Okay, because it's all connected, right? Clearly. Of course.
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  Well beyond money, obviously. Well, right. But the one person he's never going
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  to attack is Rebbe Schneerson. Yes.
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  And the Chabad leader who's passed, who I'm not attacking, by the way,
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  but who was regarded as the Messiah by many of his followers.
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  I don't think Trump should attack him, to be clear.
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  But Trump would never attack him. that's the one messiah he will
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  never attack so like what is that tell am
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  i wrong no you're not wrong it's totally cool to attack jesus oh it's
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  a joke i'm a i was saying i was a doctor i
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  heal people well that's what how jesus described himself by the way you're still
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  you're attacking jesus yes no demonstrably so we did obviously on a sunday you're
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  attacking jesus on a sunday it's totally fine but we i like i've said before
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  i didn't see it like as that i'm a christian and i i thought trump shouldn't
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  have done that i that him putting that picture out there AI-generated photo
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  of him looking like Jesus.
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  I don't think Trump knew what he was doing. I really honestly don't think he
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  knew what he was doing. I thought he just put something out there.
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  It came, you do realize how much this man posts, which is crazy in itself.
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  He probably has a team of people.
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  There, but he probably just saw it and just put it out there.
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  He's not that connected with the New Testament and the depiction of Jesus as we're given.
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  He probably really thought, he probably didn't even think about it,
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  but he does seem like he lies.
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  He lies, but I mean, and I guess in that office, he feels like he,
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  I've known people, people that are real, seem like good people that just lie.
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  They just, that's because maybe God hasn't reached them there.
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  I'm not saying that Trump is a Christian at this point, but to say that he was
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  attacking Jesus by posting that, I don't really see it there.
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  I don't think he was attacking Jesus.
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  He might've been doing something blasphemous saying that he is that,
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  but I don't think he really was doing that.
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  I don't think he was making a point that I'm Jesus.
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  I'm healing everyone and I'm healing because I'm Jesus.
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  He probably saw a picture of
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  him putting his hands on someone and healing them and
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  thinking he's a doctor and he maybe he didn't connect
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  the dots i don't think trump in the real and in his mind
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  and his his like probably goes
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  100 miles per hour mind i don't think he was thinking about that and which is
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  it shows it's like exactly that specific fact because he pulled it down he didn't
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  leave it out there the next day he pulled it down he doesn't just pull down
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  anything he posts really Rarely does he ever do that.
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  And he knew he was, that he'd done something wrong and he, that it was going
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  to be a big issue for Christians.
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  So I, but I don't see him as attacking Christians in that.
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  But what Tucker Carlson is doing, he is very offended for people that are Muslims,
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  very offended for people that are of Islamic faith, which I don't think we should
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  necessarily just make fun of anybody's faith because they believe,
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  believe whatever they are, wherever they're at.
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  And even all Christians, we want to extend grace to everyone because we understand
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  we want them to embrace Jesus Christ and to make fun of someone's faith because
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  they're Muslim or because they're whatever, fill in the blank.
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  Mormon, I don't even know, anything, any other religion that it's not exactly
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  what is delivered through Christ.
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  If you want to make fun of everyone else, you're not going to do a good job
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  of bringing them to Jesus.
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  You're going to just be pushing them away and being just polarizing for the
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  fact of being polarizing.
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  So I understand what Tucker's saying there, but it does seem like he is just
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  going back and forth. He is offended for Islam.
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  He's somewhat offended for Christians, and he's really upset that Trump's not
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  going to do this for the Jewish people.
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  And I'm not saying that. I don't want to slander. I don't want to slander.
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  I don't want to say that Tucker is specifically saying that because he completely backed out of that.
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  But if that's where your head goes, if that's where you say you can attack Muslims
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  but you can't attack Jews, why are you even hinting at people attacking Jews or what their faith is?
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  But I'll say it. whoever he's talking about, Rabbi, and I have to look him up,
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  Sneerson, a guy, he passed away in the 90s, probably a very well-respected rabbi
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  for the Jewish people, which is great, but he's not the Messiah.
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  And I think that the best grace that any Christian or any person can do is just
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  tell people, yeah, that's not the Messiah.
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  He's not the Messiah, but we still want to give respect to whom respect is due.
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  Just like Jesus did. He gave respect to whom respect was due.
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  And the apostle Paul said, honor those who are in authority,
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  respect those who are in authority.
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  So I just see it as Tucker is just kind of, he's going off on these conspiracy
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  theories, which I'm all for conspiracy theory.
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  I'm not as much as I used to be because the fun has been sucked out of it.
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  And when he went down the, the Charlie, uh, Charlie Kirk route and he was just
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  like, I don't understand how he could just talk just so flippantly.
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  And like, like I'm not, he, Charlie
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  kirk is still his his wife is still here his children are still here and just
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  to even come to that that topic and to be just so like not even the seriousness
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  and the gravity of it and to be just laughing i i tucker knew char charlie,
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  I did not know Charlie personally, but I do, I feel squeamish myself just even going about that.
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  And if anyone can come to that in the assassination, what happened,
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  obviously Charlie's in a better place now, but it's still, it's the people that he's left behind.
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  Whatever you say is going to be damaging to them and hurtful to them.
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  And it's like, if I, if my, one of my, my best friends, my friends died,
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  I don't think I could come to a point where I'm just laughing around the circumstances
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  of what happened, no matter whatever trail I'm going down.
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  And it seems like Tucker's easily doing that. And it seems kind of weird.
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  But just the whole, the whole deal with what's going on there.
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  I, I, I, I just think that Tucker is, he's, he's taking his ball and he's running home.
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  He's been, he, he kept fighting up against president Trump.
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  And then at a certain point, Trump returned the favor and he lashed out against him.
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  And now Tucker, I don't know where he's going to go from here because your audience,
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  I like are mostly going to be Trump supporters, people.
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  And it's not that you have to be that. I don't think you necessarily have to
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  be that. I have been that, but I still will call Donald Trump on things that
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  if he's doing wrong and I don't agree with.
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  But it's like some people just think it's all black and white.
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  We can't be like calls, call things out that are wrong and say things that are right. Right.
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  I think we all just go to the extreme end of whatever version we think people want to see.
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  So we just go, we gravitate to that instead of just, we're all regular people.
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  And just since I brought that up, I did want to say real life is certainly boring at times.
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  And I sometimes think that this digital world that we live in,
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  it's almost more interesting. And I almost I don't like real life in a lot of
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  ways, which is kind of I don't I don't always like to say that.
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  But besides my family and friends, I don't necessarily like real life. Real life is boring.
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  And I think that people get sucked into this. And it's it's almost like where
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  we are going. We are going into full fledged digital mode.
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  And maybe we should resist that at times, maybe, but it's so appealing.
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  And maybe that's that, uh, maybe that's Satan trying to draw us in,
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  trying to draw us all into the matrix.
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  Maybe don't, maybe don't, don't give up your soul into that,
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  which we got to resist at times. We got to resist it.
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  All right, we'll leave it at that. Uh, let me know what you think.
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  Are you still, are you think that Tucker calling these things out is a good thing? Is it wrong?
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  Where do you stand on this? You drop a comment. Let me know.
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  Have a good day, everyone.