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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, friend House Stuff Works
- 0:05Speaker 1: dot Com, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.
- 0:13Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and uh Noel's over there,
- 0:18Speaker 1: and this is Stuff you should know. Which episode I'm
- 0:21Speaker 1: not a percent sure yet. Let's do this one. Okay,
- 0:28Speaker 1: how's it going. It's going pretty well, man? Yeah, yeah,
- 0:31Speaker 1: how over with you? I'm pretty excited about both the shows. Yeah,
- 0:36Speaker 1: these are gonna be blockbusters if we can get them right.
- 0:40Speaker 1: Let's right, they're gonna break the box office. Yeah. Uh so, Chuck,
- 0:45Speaker 1: where you ever? Um? Have have you ever heard of
- 0:48Speaker 1: the Voytage Manuscript before? Prior to this? It's it's fairly famous. Yeah,
- 0:53Speaker 1: but just a few years ago, like through working here. Yeah,
- 0:57Speaker 1: thanks to the stuff they don't want you to know
- 0:59Speaker 1: boys today. I'm sure they covered this already. Certainly, there's
- 1:02Speaker 1: just no way. It may have been their first episode.
- 1:04Speaker 1: You know. You just say the words ancient codex and
- 1:07Speaker 1: guys come flying. Yeah, they're like, what do you want?
- 1:10Speaker 1: When they open their trench coats and they got ancient
- 1:13Speaker 1: codices aligning it. Um. Well, for those of you who
- 1:16Speaker 1: don't know what the Voyage Manuscript is It is a
- 1:19Speaker 1: what appears to be a legitimate medieval codex, which is
- 1:24Speaker 1: stuff that was formerly a loose leaf manuscript that's been
- 1:29Speaker 1: bound later on. That's what a codex is. Um. That
- 1:34Speaker 1: is written in a language that no one has any
- 1:37Speaker 1: idea how to read. It's never read it, it's never
- 1:40Speaker 1: been seen before. Um. It doesn't appear in any other
- 1:43Speaker 1: type of writing that's known to survive. And it's also
- 1:47Speaker 1: illustrated with some really bizarre pictures, like otherworldly plants, women
- 1:54Speaker 1: doing things that you are aren't readily identifiable. They're hears
- 2:00Speaker 1: to be a recipe section, yes, pharmac pharmacological section. Yeah.
- 2:05Speaker 1: It's almost like a a farmer's almanac of sorts from
- 2:11Speaker 1: medieval times, written in language and depicting plants and things
- 2:17Speaker 1: that have never existed. And the reason why it's it
- 2:21Speaker 1: seems legitimate is that it bears a striking resemblance two
- 2:25Speaker 1: similar books at the time. But those books are written
- 2:27Speaker 1: in things like Old English or Italian or things that
- 2:31Speaker 1: people can read, and they have pictures of plants in
- 2:34Speaker 1: them that you point to and say, oh, well, that's
- 2:37Speaker 1: a holly bush or something. This is not the case.
- 2:40Speaker 1: The thing is a mysterious otherworldly tome that clearly made
- 2:45Speaker 1: an appearance. Somehow it crossed over from a parallel multiverse
- 2:49Speaker 1: into this one accidentally. Yeah, I've got my theory, which
- 2:51Speaker 1: I'll just go ahead and tease the listener with it.
- 2:54Speaker 1: I'll throw out later. Okay, that's it. That's your teeth.
- 2:59Speaker 1: I'll throw out my you've got the theory, but I
- 3:01Speaker 1: just laid mine on the table. Which is what that
- 3:03Speaker 1: it's it's a book from a parallel multiverse to ours. Dude,
- 3:07Speaker 1: it's slipped into this. It's like that. Have you heard
- 3:09Speaker 1: that barren Stain bears theory? Yeah? Sure, I don't remember
- 3:13Speaker 1: it is barren Stein. I always remember, is Barren Stain.
- 3:16Speaker 1: Oh really, huh you're the only one. No, that's not true.
- 3:20Speaker 1: You're one of the few. I was really surprised to
- 3:23Speaker 1: hear people thought it was barren Stein. But apparently as
- 3:26Speaker 1: far as that theory goes, and if you don't know
- 3:28Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, just like a barren Stain Bears theory,
- 3:30Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. I mean I was convinced that barren
- 3:34Speaker 1: Stein Berenstein, Yeah, but not a e instead Berenstein Bears
- 3:40Speaker 1: always always Barren Stain. For me, it's so weird, and
- 3:43Speaker 1: I'm one of those that was so convinced. I was like, no,
- 3:45Speaker 1: this is clearly some weird hoax because it's the Berenstein Bears.
- 3:49Speaker 1: Everybody knows that that's so funny. And I'm not alone,
- 3:52Speaker 1: like it seems like the majority of people are definitely,
- 3:55Speaker 1: they're very You're one of the few barren Stainers. Well,
- 3:58Speaker 1: its supposedly, according to this this hypothesis, I actually managed
- 4:03Speaker 1: to slip over from a multiverse into this one without
- 4:06Speaker 1: realizing it from the baron staying in the universe. So um, anyway,
- 4:11Speaker 1: Let's get back to the Voyage Manuscript, shall we, because
- 4:13Speaker 1: it is a real deal thing, um, and it apparently
- 4:18Speaker 1: it has a certain amount of providence to it. We
- 4:21Speaker 1: know about when it first popped up thanks to a
- 4:25Speaker 1: seventeenth century letter that identifies it as having been purchased
- 4:30Speaker 1: by one Rudolph the Second, who was the Holy Roman
- 4:34Speaker 1: Emperor for a while. Um. And Rudolph loved curious things, right,
- 4:41Speaker 1: he collected um little people apparently. Uh, he had a
- 4:46Speaker 1: cabinet of curiosities of sorts, and he was very interested
- 4:50Speaker 1: in this Voyage manuscript, so much so that he paid
- 4:52Speaker 1: six hundred gold dukits for it, which is apparently about
- 4:56Speaker 1: the same as ninety thou dollars today for this book
- 4:59Speaker 1: because he a lot and he supposedly was the first
- 5:02Speaker 1: owner of the Voyage manuscript. That's right. It has been
- 5:07Speaker 1: dated um with carbon dating to the early fourteen hundreds. Uh,
- 5:12Speaker 1: And it has a very strange it's not written on
- 5:15Speaker 1: parchment or any kind of regular paper. It's written on
- 5:18Speaker 1: calf skin, which is not a it's sort of is
- 5:23Speaker 1: a somewhat of a giveaway or at least a big
- 5:26Speaker 1: clue what that it dates it. Yeah, well, we'll talk
- 5:31Speaker 1: about whether or not it's a hoax if someone found
- 5:34Speaker 1: this this vellum, and that'd be very strange to create
- 5:38Speaker 1: a hoax and dig up hundreds of year old calf skin.
- 5:42Speaker 1: So it's not likely that's a hoax. No, there's all
- 5:45Speaker 1: sorts of reasons it's it's not a hoax, but that
- 5:47Speaker 1: that rumor still persists. So in six nine, this antique
- 5:52Speaker 1: collector and progue named George Bresch he uh sent a
- 5:55Speaker 1: letter to this dude uh a fantasist I think so,
- 6:01Speaker 1: a fantasyist cuature. He was a scholar in Rome. And
- 6:04Speaker 1: he basically said, and this is so weird to me.
- 6:07Speaker 1: He's he teases this guy, It's like, I've got this thing.
- 6:10Speaker 1: It's really weird. It's got all these crazy symbols and
- 6:13Speaker 1: images and this alphabet that is uh, unknown to anyone.
- 6:18Speaker 1: But I'm just not gonna send it t Im, just
- 6:20Speaker 1: gonna tell you about it. Well, he loved it himself.
- 6:23Speaker 1: He tried to crack the code himself, the guy who
- 6:26Speaker 1: was the owner of it at the time. But I
- 6:28Speaker 1: send that letter, just teasing the guy and be like,
- 6:30Speaker 1: have a nice day, because he wanted him. He he
- 6:32Speaker 1: wanted him to crack it for him, but he didn't
- 6:34Speaker 1: want to give up the book. Well how can you
- 6:36Speaker 1: crack it if you don't send it. Well, you can
- 6:38Speaker 1: send like, um, facsimiles of it that kind of stuff.
- 6:41Speaker 1: So he did that, I believe. So I know he
- 6:44Speaker 1: was cracking it himself. But this guy UM an atheist
- 6:47Speaker 1: Kirk creature. He uh. He was supposedly very well known
- 6:52Speaker 1: at the time for having cracked Egyptian hieroglyphics, even though
- 6:55Speaker 1: it later turned out he had gotten it wrong. But
- 6:58Speaker 1: that's why I wonder why I didn't send it to
- 6:59Speaker 1: the guy. Well, the lesson has learned because um what
- 7:03Speaker 1: was the dude's named barsh the original guy who wrote
- 7:07Speaker 1: the letter. Yeah, George boresh So, um, he dies and
- 7:11Speaker 1: he's he dedicated his life to cracking the Voynage Manuscript,
- 7:16Speaker 1: which wasn't called the Voyage Manuscript by that point. No,
- 7:19Speaker 1: I should point out I don't think I had a
- 7:20Speaker 1: name at the time. I actually called this something. Um, well,
- 7:24Speaker 1: they definitely didn't call it the Voyage Manuscript. We'll see
- 7:26Speaker 1: in a minute. But um, George boresh Uh, he died
- 7:30Speaker 1: and he gave it to a friend of his, Jan
- 7:33Speaker 1: Mark Marcy. And Marcy is pretty good reason or supports
- 7:38Speaker 1: the idea that Borresh didn't want to give up the
- 7:40Speaker 1: book for good reason, because he actually did contact um
- 7:45Speaker 1: the Jesuit living living in Rome Kircher and said, hey,
- 7:49Speaker 1: here's the book, figure it out, and the guy never
- 7:53Speaker 1: got it back. So if Borsch wanted to keep his book,
- 7:56Speaker 1: he was very smart to not send it to Kircher. Well,
- 7:59Speaker 1: and when he sent it, when Marcy sent it to Kircher,
- 8:02Speaker 1: he said, by the way, um, I know a little
- 8:05Speaker 1: bit about the background. It looks like it was of
- 8:07Speaker 1: the work of Roger Bacon. Yeah, even though there was
- 8:10Speaker 1: no nothing to back that up. Well there there isn't
- 8:13Speaker 1: anything to back it up. And that's actually it turns
- 8:15Speaker 1: out Rudolph the Second believed that it was a work
- 8:18Speaker 1: of Roger Bacon when he bought it. That's right. Roger
- 8:21Speaker 1: Bacon was this. Um, he was basically a proto scientist
- 8:25Speaker 1: from the thirteenth century in England. And we've talked about
- 8:29Speaker 1: him before, I think in the Scientific Method episode, like
- 8:32Speaker 1: he really helped lay the groundwork for science in the
- 8:34Speaker 1: Western world. Yeah, he's credited with a lot of things
- 8:36Speaker 1: he didn't do too. Oh is that right? Yeah? Um, well, anyway,
- 8:41Speaker 1: this is possibly one of them. They there's still a
- 8:44Speaker 1: persistent legend that it was Roger Bacon's work, that it
- 8:46Speaker 1: did come from England. But um, the prevailing ideas about
- 8:51Speaker 1: the voyage manuscripts providence, um kind of drifted a little
- 8:55Speaker 1: further east, as we'll see. But um, when Rudolph the
- 8:58Speaker 1: Second bought the thing, uh, he thought it was Francis
- 9:01Speaker 1: Bacon and all this were we know, second hand, Chuck, like,
- 9:05Speaker 1: we don't. Like, there's no documents showing that Rudolph the
- 9:07Speaker 1: Second purchased this book. There's not a sales receipt, no
- 9:11Speaker 1: but there's something close that does kind of back it up.
- 9:14Speaker 1: Rudolph the Second had a dude um named Jacobus the
- 9:19Speaker 1: temper Nets I believe it's how you pronounced that, And
- 9:23Speaker 1: this was his um court pharmacists, basically his court botanist um.
- 9:29Speaker 1: And he was actually a really rich man. And Rudolf
- 9:32Speaker 1: the Second, out of an appreciation to this guy for
- 9:35Speaker 1: saving his life, gave him the Voyage Manuscript as a gift.
- 9:39Speaker 1: And this dude's watermark or seal or signature appears very
- 9:43Speaker 1: faintly in the Voyage Manuscript. So it definitely backs up
- 9:46Speaker 1: the idea that Rudolf the Second own this book at
- 9:49Speaker 1: one point in time, and it's entirely possible that he
- 9:52Speaker 1: did think Roger Bacon created it, but that doesn't mean
- 9:55Speaker 1: that Roger Bacon did create it. Uh So, for a
- 9:59Speaker 1: couple hundred years, it kind of, you know, wasn't on
- 10:03Speaker 1: the forefront of anyone's mind, basically disappeared until when here
- 10:09Speaker 1: we go, Wilfrid Voynage bought it in Italy, uh and
- 10:13Speaker 1: get said, I guess let's name it after me. Yeah,
- 10:17Speaker 1: Well they he in the manuscript became like very uh
- 10:21Speaker 1: pretty famous because he was tireless in trying to get
- 10:25Speaker 1: this thing cracked. This book has this really neat um
- 10:31Speaker 1: trait of like bringing people under its sway. You know,
- 10:34Speaker 1: it's well, it's a mystery, it is, and everybody loves
- 10:37Speaker 1: a mystery. It seems like it's possibly an impenetrable mystery,
- 10:40Speaker 1: which I think makes people want to crack it even
- 10:43Speaker 1: more sure because you get to be the one, you know, Yeah,
- 10:45Speaker 1: and you could change the name to the Josh Clark
- 10:47Speaker 1: Manuscript and say Voynage. Get bit, who's that? Do you
- 10:52Speaker 1: remember some company like bought the Sears Tower and tried
- 10:55Speaker 1: to change the name to their company's name for the tower,
- 10:59Speaker 1: and she, howgo do you learn that a few years ago?
- 11:02Speaker 1: Is it not the serious tower anymore? They tried to
- 11:04Speaker 1: change Everybody's like, no, we're still calling it the Sears Tower.
- 11:07Speaker 1: Oh Like even if they did change it, people are
- 11:09Speaker 1: still going to call it that. Yeah, gotcha. So I
- 11:11Speaker 1: think the same thing would happen with the Voyage Manuscript
- 11:14Speaker 1: even if I cracked it, right. That's like with a
- 11:16Speaker 1: lot of professional sports stadiums, I'll still refer to it
- 11:20Speaker 1: as the original cool name and not you know, right,
- 11:23Speaker 1: the r c A Dome or whatever. Although the new
- 11:26Speaker 1: stadiums are are they just don't even bother naming them.
- 11:28Speaker 1: They just go ahead and say who's got the most money? Right? Uh?
- 11:33Speaker 1: So voyage Uh, this manuscript he worked tirelessly. Uh and
- 11:38Speaker 1: it eventually ended up in modern times at Yale University
- 11:41Speaker 1: in nine where it still resides today. Right. So that's
- 11:45Speaker 1: just the story of it. And there's a lot more
- 11:47Speaker 1: detail to who have had their hands on this thing
- 11:49Speaker 1: over the years. Yeah, we'll talk about that, um right
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- 13:15Speaker 1: So Chucky, you're saying that um Voyage, it went from
- 13:18Speaker 1: Voyage ultimately to Yale, but in between that, like, Voytage
- 13:23Speaker 1: really kind of brought this manuscript into the four. Like
- 13:27Speaker 1: he he identified people who were professionals at cracking codes
- 13:31Speaker 1: and said, can you can you do this? The first
- 13:35Speaker 1: guy he went to was a University of Pennsylvania philosopher
- 13:39Speaker 1: UM and he had a really weird idea of what
- 13:43Speaker 1: the Voyage manuscript is really all about. Yeah, so if you, um,
- 13:50Speaker 1: if you look at the Voyage manuscript, the script is
- 13:53Speaker 1: like this weird really ornate lettering, right and it's actually
- 13:58Speaker 1: called gallows because a lot of it were like looks
- 14:01Speaker 1: a bit like a hangman's gallop, and um this uh.
- 14:06Speaker 1: University of Pennsylvania professor philosophy professor decided that it wasn't
- 14:11Speaker 1: the text itself that mattered. It was the little tiny
- 14:15Speaker 1: microscopic figures that the ink made inside each letter that
- 14:21Speaker 1: was the actual code. And I think Voytage like just
- 14:25Speaker 1: took his manuscript back and slowly backed out of the
- 14:28Speaker 1: room when the guys told him, man, yeah, he said,
- 14:30Speaker 1: they corresponded to Greek letters. Uh. And he actually said,
- 14:35Speaker 1: there's a message in here that confirms that it's Roger
- 14:37Speaker 1: Bacon inside the inc with these Greek letters. Uh. And
- 14:41Speaker 1: not only that, but Bacon well just some other theories
- 14:46Speaker 1: that's not even worth getting into, other theories that Bacon
- 14:49Speaker 1: hid in this inc. It was all untrue though, right.
- 14:54Speaker 1: Other people went back and said, oh, let us look
- 14:56Speaker 1: at these little weird um letters, microscopic letters that you're
- 15:01Speaker 1: seeing in the ink. Oh, well, that's just the ink
- 15:04Speaker 1: cracking as it dries, So you're nuts. Yeah, he I mean,
- 15:08Speaker 1: he tried to decrypt some of it, and it held
- 15:10Speaker 1: water for a little while, but it was only like
- 15:12Speaker 1: a very small part that was that even matched what
- 15:16Speaker 1: his decryption uh theory. So yeah, it didn't hold any water.
- 15:21Speaker 1: So that was the first guy who took a real
- 15:23Speaker 1: crack at it UM. The second people who did were
- 15:26Speaker 1: actually world War two codebreakers UM and the guy who
- 15:29Speaker 1: founded the n S a William Friedman who gets a
- 15:33Speaker 1: lot of the credit, but his wife is actually at
- 15:36Speaker 1: least as equal, if not as better, in in cryptography,
- 15:39Speaker 1: his wife Elizabeth, and they actually UM as World War
- 15:43Speaker 1: Two was waning, These people like broke the Japanese code right,
- 15:47Speaker 1: the Purple Code, I think is what it was called.
- 15:48Speaker 1: So they weren't like slouches as far as cryptography went. UM,
- 15:52Speaker 1: but they got together as the war was waning and
- 15:55Speaker 1: winding down and they weren't as needed any longer. They
- 15:59Speaker 1: got a bunch of their fellow cryptographers together and said,
- 16:02Speaker 1: let's work on the Voyage manuscript. And I guess they
- 16:05Speaker 1: probably figured that they would have it handled in short order.
- 16:08Speaker 1: That's not at all how it worked out. No, he
- 16:11Speaker 1: did not figure anything out. He gave up I think
- 16:13Speaker 1: he spent like thirty years working on it and then
- 16:16Speaker 1: finally declared that the thing was impossibly couldn't do it
- 16:18Speaker 1: and surrendered. I think it's how it was put. And
- 16:21Speaker 1: so after that this thing, once this guy and his
- 16:25Speaker 1: group said we can't do this, it kind of got
- 16:29Speaker 1: relegated to Yale for a while, and then the internet came.
- 16:33Speaker 1: That's right, So you want to talk about the book
- 16:36Speaker 1: itself a little bit, man, I would love to. The
- 16:39Speaker 1: book itself is two hundred and forty six pages, although
- 16:42Speaker 1: they think it is missing up to uh, you know,
- 16:46Speaker 1: fifty fifty five pages. Uh. I mean they don't know,
- 16:52Speaker 1: but they're guessing right, it could have been up to
- 16:54Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy three pages long. It's about nine
- 16:57Speaker 1: inches uh tall by six inches wide, and um, like
- 17:02Speaker 1: we said, it's on calf skin, which lends credence to
- 17:05Speaker 1: the fact that it's from the fourteen hundreds. It it
- 17:09Speaker 1: matches up with the carbon dating, so that makes some sense,
- 17:13Speaker 1: it does. They think that up to eight people worked
- 17:17Speaker 1: on the righting itself, and it is written from left
- 17:21Speaker 1: to right, which also lends credence to the fact that
- 17:25Speaker 1: could be European in nature. Makes sense, of course, uh,
- 17:31Speaker 1: although there are other theories that it is from the
- 17:34Speaker 1: eastern side of the world. But I don't know what
- 17:36Speaker 1: evidence they have on that. There's also the theories that
- 17:38Speaker 1: it's from the far west as well, if like Mexico
- 17:41Speaker 1: or Central Americas. Some people say that's right. Um. And
- 17:44Speaker 1: then so with the actual words themselves, the letters, there's
- 17:48Speaker 1: I think forty to forty characters in this weird alphabet
- 17:54Speaker 1: and understand, and that depends on who you ask. I've
- 17:56Speaker 1: seen as low as fifteen. Yeah, the highest I saw
- 17:59Speaker 1: is forty, but average I saw was thirty. Is what
- 18:01Speaker 1: people typically cite. Um, and these things, these letters are
- 18:06Speaker 1: put together to form what we would think of his words,
- 18:10Speaker 1: and then the words are put together without any punctuation,
- 18:14Speaker 1: and then occasionally are put into paragraphs. But for the
- 18:18Speaker 1: most part, it's just like world World World word, World
- 18:20Speaker 1: World Word. And then on almost every single page of
- 18:24Speaker 1: the codex itself, Um, there's an illustration of some sort
- 18:28Speaker 1: or another. Yeah, about two and twenty illustrations. Um. The
- 18:32Speaker 1: fact that it didn't have punctuation isn't a big deal.
- 18:35Speaker 1: Apparently that was pretty normal for the time, so that
- 18:37Speaker 1: doesn't really give anything away. Um. And it's also not
- 18:42Speaker 1: divided into chapters via text, but via illustrations. They believe
- 18:47Speaker 1: it might be divided into six different chapters, which are
- 18:51Speaker 1: a botanical this is where you're gonna find your weird
- 18:55Speaker 1: unknown plants, um astronomical which uh zos, adiacal signs, and
- 19:01Speaker 1: celestial bodies stuff like that, which are and we should
- 19:04Speaker 1: say the zodiac symbols and um drawings of the zodiac
- 19:07Speaker 1: are the only things that are unquestionably recognizable in the
- 19:10Speaker 1: whole book, which makes it even stranger that it's not
- 19:14Speaker 1: just completely fantastic. There's also some stuff that's recognizable. There's
- 19:19Speaker 1: a biological chapter with naked ladies doing weird things and
- 19:25Speaker 1: bathtubs um or possibly water slides. It kind of looks
- 19:30Speaker 1: like in at least one a water slide. Yeah, I
- 19:34Speaker 1: don't know what you would call it a water slide.
- 19:35Speaker 1: Maybe it would be uh No, there's one there's a
- 19:38Speaker 1: Roman aqueduct or something. There's another one though that's like
- 19:41Speaker 1: it's a vertical drawing straight up and down. Uh And
- 19:45Speaker 1: there's like three women that are clearly like together in
- 19:49Speaker 1: the way that that three people would go down a
- 19:51Speaker 1: water slide at once. There's one a little further down
- 19:54Speaker 1: and she's like on her back going downward, and then
- 19:58Speaker 1: there's another woman at the bottom who's like basically splashed
- 20:00Speaker 1: down the almost spitting image of a water slide, a
- 20:04Speaker 1: green water slide. Uh. There's cosmological um with just these
- 20:09Speaker 1: weird circular patterns. It almost looks like um, like crop circles,
- 20:15Speaker 1: just weird designs that make no sense. Uh. And then
- 20:18Speaker 1: pharmaceutical this is where they have like different parts of
- 20:22Speaker 1: plants broken down and these like jars and things that
- 20:25Speaker 1: doctors you know, may have put things in right, which
- 20:29Speaker 1: they did at the time in the medieval era. This
- 20:32Speaker 1: is what it like a pharmacist, a doctor would have
- 20:35Speaker 1: stored their pharmacological herb zoom, which is why they're like,
- 20:39Speaker 1: this is the pharmacological section. And then finally, um, no
- 20:43Speaker 1: illustrations in the recipe section. Uh, it's just nothing but deliciousness.
- 20:48Speaker 1: I don't know how they know it was a recipe section.
- 20:50Speaker 1: Even so, they divided the book up into these six
- 20:53Speaker 1: chapters and they actually think that, um, remember the book
- 20:57Speaker 1: was loose pages at one point, what was it, I
- 21:00Speaker 1: think a hundred and twenty folded pages, um. And they
- 21:05Speaker 1: think that when the whoever bounded because it was bounding
- 21:08Speaker 1: goat skin of a younger age than the actual manuscript,
- 21:14Speaker 1: that whoever bounded, got the pages out of order here
- 21:17Speaker 1: or there, so that there's some pages that are in
- 21:19Speaker 1: the wrong chapter, but that roughly it's in the right order. Yeah, uh,
- 21:25Speaker 1: they have. Um. Another reason it might be Europeans because
- 21:29Speaker 1: the average length of the word is four or five letters,
- 21:31Speaker 1: although there are no two letter words and nothing with
- 21:36Speaker 1: more than ten characters, which is just more confounding. It
- 21:41Speaker 1: is because none of it is there's no consistency that
- 21:44Speaker 1: points exactly in one direction basically. Well, even more confounding
- 21:47Speaker 1: is there are examples of the same word used in
- 21:52Speaker 1: succession two or three times. Here there up to five times,
- 21:56Speaker 1: so that's very odd. You don't see that very often,
- 21:59Speaker 1: and say English. Maybe they were just trying to make
- 22:01Speaker 1: a point. Times they're like I like this recipe very
- 22:06Speaker 1: very very very very much. You never know. Yeah, it
- 22:11Speaker 1: was written by Chainsaw and Dave from Summer School, who
- 22:16Speaker 1: remember that movie Summer School. They had to write like
- 22:19Speaker 1: a five word essay, so they used like the last
- 22:21Speaker 1: forty words where they like texas Chainsaw mask are very
- 22:24Speaker 1: very very battle trick. Yeah. So check. We've laid out
- 22:28Speaker 1: a lot of details here and we're not the first
- 22:31Speaker 1: person in the first people who notice these details, right,
- 22:34Speaker 1: Other people have and they really like studied them, especially
- 22:38Speaker 1: as the use of computing and linguistics has come together
- 22:44Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. And we will talk about
- 22:46Speaker 1: all that jazz right after this. So chuck, there's weird
- 23:15Speaker 1: things like the same word being used up to five
- 23:18Speaker 1: times in a row. There's no punctuation, which apparently is
- 23:22Speaker 1: fairly normal, no word over ten letters. All this stuff
- 23:26Speaker 1: like it seems weird. But if you put that into
- 23:28Speaker 1: a computer with what we know about language these days,
- 23:31Speaker 1: you can spit out some pretty interesting conclusions about the
- 23:35Speaker 1: Voyage Manuscript. One of the things that people have long said,
- 23:39Speaker 1: especially after William Friedman and his wife Elizabeth threw up
- 23:44Speaker 1: their hands and said we're done after thirty years of
- 23:47Speaker 1: studying this thing, a lot of people said, it's just
- 23:49Speaker 1: a hoax. It doesn't mean anything. It's gibberish. The reason
- 23:52Speaker 1: that no one will ever be able to crack it
- 23:55Speaker 1: is because it doesn't mean anything. And um, that's still
- 23:59Speaker 1: a longstanding theory. Like you can find plenty of journal
- 24:03Speaker 1: articles in um, you know, respectable pure of your journals
- 24:07Speaker 1: about how this thing is hoaxed. And in fact, there
- 24:09Speaker 1: was one a few years back that said, we found
- 24:12Speaker 1: a Renaissance cipher key, which is used for encoding anything,
- 24:17Speaker 1: but it was Renaissance era, and that if you took
- 24:19Speaker 1: gibberish and put it into it, you could conceivably come
- 24:23Speaker 1: up with what's in the Voyage manuscript. And everybody said,
- 24:26Speaker 1: that's great, you proved that it's possible, but you didn't
- 24:29Speaker 1: actually show how they did that to produce the Voyage manuscript.
- 24:33Speaker 1: So the thing is still a mystery. It doesn't really
- 24:34Speaker 1: prove anything, but it does support this idea that is,
- 24:38Speaker 1: it's possible, and no one involved in looking at the
- 24:41Speaker 1: Voyage Manuscript will disagree. It is possible that it is
- 24:45Speaker 1: just a hoax and that it is just gibberish. So
- 24:48Speaker 1: the hoax, there's a hoax theory, right, But there are
- 24:52Speaker 1: plenty of other theories as to this thing, and a
- 24:54Speaker 1: lot of them say, no, this thing is real. Uh yeah, Well.
- 24:58Speaker 1: One theory is that it's just a language that we
- 25:00Speaker 1: don't know and haven't seen. I don't buy that, no,
- 25:04Speaker 1: I mean, how could this possibly be the only surviving
- 25:07Speaker 1: evidence of that language you know exactly? Another theories that
- 25:12Speaker 1: it's just it's so well coded that it's impenetrable. But
- 25:18Speaker 1: that raises a good question too. So if you wanted
- 25:21Speaker 1: to code something, especially if it were safe for art
- 25:26Speaker 1: or a hoax or to show what an incredible mind
- 25:29Speaker 1: you had, why would you make it so impenetrable that
- 25:33Speaker 1: no one can ever possibly crack it. Yeah, it seems
- 25:36Speaker 1: like you would eventually be doing that for some sort
- 25:38Speaker 1: of recognition. Sure, so that kind of kicks a little bit,
- 25:42Speaker 1: kicks the legs out of that theory to me, or
- 25:46Speaker 1: that it's so important and secretive, like the meaning of
- 25:51Speaker 1: life is contained here in and it doesn't look like
- 25:54Speaker 1: it from looks like the illustrations. It doesn't because I
- 25:57Speaker 1: mean you say you're correct, the illustrations are kind of
- 26:00Speaker 1: hockey a little. Um, it's not the most Uh, it's
- 26:04Speaker 1: not the most gorgeous book you've ever seen. If it's
- 26:06Speaker 1: the Secrets in the Universe, then I'm pretty disappointed. Yeah. Yeah,
- 26:11Speaker 1: what's the third theory? Uh, there's another one that, um, well,
- 26:17Speaker 1: now that basically that it's gobbledygook, that that's sort of
- 26:21Speaker 1: the hoax thing. There's two different parts. One that it's
- 26:24Speaker 1: just gobbledygook and it was someone having fun, and another
- 26:26Speaker 1: one is that it was a hoax trying to fool
- 26:29Speaker 1: people into thinking something right, So that's sort of split
- 26:32Speaker 1: into two parts. Uh, mental illness is another theory. Yeah,
- 26:36Speaker 1: like um, Franciscan monk locked away in a room with
- 26:41Speaker 1: autism who like just really went to town. Yeah, that's
- 26:45Speaker 1: a that's actually a theory as well, or that it
- 26:48Speaker 1: might be religious like speaking in tongues transcribed. Yeah, you
- 26:56Speaker 1: want to hear my theory. Yeah, you think it's drugs. Yeah, man,
- 27:01Speaker 1: so kind of like where you'll find like the doodles
- 27:03Speaker 1: in a college textbook margin. I think someone uh got
- 27:08Speaker 1: ahold of a lot of really good hallucinogenics and over
- 27:11Speaker 1: the course of a few months did them and did this. Yeah,
- 27:16Speaker 1: so went on like a three month bender and ended
- 27:18Speaker 1: up spitting out the voyage spanning script or a lifelong bender.
- 27:21Speaker 1: And this was just one of the things they produced.
- 27:22Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty interesting, to tell you the truth.
- 27:24Speaker 1: I don't think it's pretty druggy to me. It does
- 27:27Speaker 1: also again, the quality of the um the illustrations themselves
- 27:31Speaker 1: kind of suggest like this is really awesome, but I
- 27:34Speaker 1: don't have full control over my my motor cortex right now. Yeah.
- 27:38Speaker 1: Plus it it would solve the problem of like it
- 27:41Speaker 1: has meeting, or it can be transcribed, or this person
- 27:44Speaker 1: was trying to get famous. Yeah, they're just making it. Yeah,
- 27:48Speaker 1: so that's a pretty good theory. Um, let's go back
- 27:51Speaker 1: to the hoax theory, right, Yeah, there's a lot of
- 27:53Speaker 1: people who shout down the hoax theory because they say,
- 27:57Speaker 1: do you know how much time this thing took? Sure, like, yeah,
- 28:01Speaker 1: that's a that's one. So the hoax people would say back, well,
- 28:05Speaker 1: people still made hoaxes in the Renaissance, which is the
- 28:08Speaker 1: time this book first popped up. They made fraudulent medieval
- 28:12Speaker 1: documents because that's when antiquarian book collecting really started and
- 28:15Speaker 1: you could make some money from some suckers like Rudolph
- 28:17Speaker 1: the Second. Right, So I mean there's like a there's
- 28:21Speaker 1: definitely teeth in both arguments as to whether it's a
- 28:24Speaker 1: hoax or whether it's not. But as we've gotten a
- 28:27Speaker 1: lot better with um using computers to figure out things
- 28:31Speaker 1: like statistical distribution and stuff like that, and have applied
- 28:34Speaker 1: it to things like language. When looking at the Voyage manuscript,
- 28:38Speaker 1: it actually follows a lot of the patterns that a
- 28:42Speaker 1: natural language does, which leads a lot of people to
- 28:45Speaker 1: believe that no, there's actually real meaning in the Voyage
- 28:49Speaker 1: Manuscript that we just haven't unlocked. Yeah. So for example,
- 28:53Speaker 1: like um, the different sections have their own vocabulary. There's
- 28:57Speaker 1: words that show up and say like the pharmacological sect
- 29:00Speaker 1: and do not appear anywhere in the cosmological section, which
- 29:03Speaker 1: again is something that you would find in natural language.
- 29:06Speaker 1: If you're reading a chapter of a textbook on cosmology,
- 29:10Speaker 1: and you pick up a book on far pharmacology, like,
- 29:15Speaker 1: there's gonna be words in each one that would not
- 29:17Speaker 1: appear in the other one, right, And that's how the
- 29:20Speaker 1: Voyage Manuscript is. That's a big one. There's this thing
- 29:23Speaker 1: called Zip's law, which is probably a podcast episode in
- 29:27Speaker 1: and of itself. But Zip's laws this weird statistical law
- 29:30Speaker 1: that says that, um, say, the second most common word,
- 29:37Speaker 1: the second most frequently used word, will be used twice
- 29:41Speaker 1: as much as the third most frequently used word, The
- 29:45Speaker 1: third most frequently used word will be used three times
- 29:48Speaker 1: as much as the fourth most frequently used word. It's
- 29:51Speaker 1: a really weird thing, and it appears to be a
- 29:53Speaker 1: natural law, and apparently natural languages follow this kind of distribution,
- 29:58Speaker 1: so does the Voyage Manuscript. So to come up with
- 30:00Speaker 1: Zip's Law, which wasn't discovered until the nineteen thirties. I think,
- 30:06Speaker 1: so to create this text understanding that Zip's Law was
- 30:10Speaker 1: eventually going to be discovered, and then going to the
- 30:13Speaker 1: trouble of predicting the frequency of these words that you're
- 30:16Speaker 1: going to use and then spreading them out accordingly. Again,
- 30:20Speaker 1: it's not impossible, but it's mind boggling the amount of
- 30:25Speaker 1: work that would have been put into this being a hoax. Yeah,
- 30:28Speaker 1: here's my deal too. Let's say it is a cipher um.
- 30:34Speaker 1: From from looking at the thing, it would just end
- 30:36Speaker 1: up being you know, this is this plant, this is
- 30:39Speaker 1: this recipe. It just seems kind of boring to begin with.
- 30:44Speaker 1: And for that reason, a lot of people hope that
- 30:46Speaker 1: the Voyage Manuscript has never cracked that one was. Yeah,
- 30:48Speaker 1: they don't want to discover that they Yeah, I mean
- 30:51Speaker 1: like because ultimately it is there's pictures of plants there
- 30:54Speaker 1: and they look weird and everything. But if we cracked
- 30:57Speaker 1: this code, it would as as this one. I, um,
- 31:01Speaker 1: what is his name? He a dude named Read Johnson
- 31:03Speaker 1: wrote a New Yorker article on it. I don't think
- 31:06Speaker 1: there's been a podcast this year where we didn't mention
- 31:08Speaker 1: a New Yorker article that that magazine is banging read
- 31:14Speaker 1: read Johnson said he'd put it that right now, the
- 31:17Speaker 1: Voyage manuscript is in this quantum state where it's in
- 31:20Speaker 1: all positions at once. But once we crack it, they'll
- 31:23Speaker 1: be forced to take this collapse into this one single
- 31:26Speaker 1: position and it'll lose all of its mystery or aura.
- 31:30Speaker 1: It'll just be the farmer's almanact. Yeah, and that it's
- 31:33Speaker 1: as it is right now. It's in basically it's perfect
- 31:35Speaker 1: form to stop working people. Right. But that's not the
- 31:40Speaker 1: case at all, because, as I said before, the Internet
- 31:42Speaker 1: is on this and there are a lot of people
- 31:44Speaker 1: who think that they have cracked it, but I haven't. Necessarily. Yeah,
- 31:48Speaker 1: there's this one guy, Um Stephen Backs. He's a professor
- 31:52Speaker 1: of applied linguistics at the University of Bedfordshire in England,
- 31:56Speaker 1: and he said he claims he's deciphered fourteen characters. The
- 32:00Speaker 1: reason that this is somewhat believable because he's not saying, hey,
- 32:04Speaker 1: I know what the whole thing means. He's he's being
- 32:07Speaker 1: very modest and saying, of cipher deciphered only fourteen characters
- 32:12Speaker 1: based on what he thinks are matching plants Juniper coriander
- 32:18Speaker 1: and Hella bore uh specifically and Taurus an illustration um,
- 32:25Speaker 1: basically the constellation Taurus. So he thinks, I would if
- 32:29Speaker 1: you can identify those pictures, then you should be able
- 32:32Speaker 1: to correspond the letters saying those names next to them. Right.
- 32:36Speaker 1: He went on a hunt for like proper nouns in
- 32:39Speaker 1: the text, Yeah, which is pretty good approaches. Yeah. Yeah,
- 32:41Speaker 1: I think he said he identified fourteen right, fourteen characters
- 32:44Speaker 1: only Oh I thought it was fourteen words, no ten words. Um,
- 32:50Speaker 1: And he's the first to say, like, I might be right,
- 32:52Speaker 1: it might be wrong. This is certainly not a closed case.
- 32:55Speaker 1: But here's my best crack at it. Well, there's a
- 32:57Speaker 1: live science article on our podcast page for this episod
- 33:00Speaker 1: so that has um kind of a rundown of his discovery.
- 33:03Speaker 1: And I think embedded in it is a YouTube video
- 33:06Speaker 1: that he made demonstrating how he found this. Yeah, and
- 33:09Speaker 1: he's not a crackpot. He seems like a good guy.
- 33:12Speaker 1: He's at Bedfordshire. There's another dude, is that the latest
- 33:16Speaker 1: theory is from guy named Nick pelling um Britain. Nick Pelling,
- 33:22Speaker 1: I guess that's his name. I thought two thousand six. Uh,
- 33:27Speaker 1: he came up with this theory. That was an Italian
- 33:28Speaker 1: architect name Antonio Abolino um as the author and he says,
- 33:34Speaker 1: you know what, I think this guy tried to escape
- 33:36Speaker 1: a Tanbul around five and before he left recorded his
- 33:41Speaker 1: knowledge of said place. UM. But basically that's been shot
- 33:46Speaker 1: down for various reasons. So there are a lot of
- 33:49Speaker 1: people believe that northern Italy is where it was made
- 33:54Speaker 1: where it's from um. So that part's not entirely like
- 33:57Speaker 1: out of the realm of possibility, but um. And the
- 34:01Speaker 1: reason why they think it was actually in the Tyrolean
- 34:04Speaker 1: Alps is the predominant view of where the Codex was made. UM.
- 34:08Speaker 1: But if you look at some of the pictures just
- 34:11Speaker 1: drawing on the margins of castles, the architecture depicted is
- 34:15Speaker 1: peculiar to the Northern Alps from that time, in northern
- 34:19Speaker 1: Italian Alps from that time, and usually write about in
- 34:22Speaker 1: pain about what you know? Yes plus around uh trent
- 34:26Speaker 1: to I believe, um, there there are some healing waters
- 34:30Speaker 1: and I think possibly that's what's depicted with the women
- 34:33Speaker 1: bathing and water sliding and water sliding. Uh. So I
- 34:39Speaker 1: think I do agree that let's well, I mean, keep
- 34:41Speaker 1: on trying, but I don't think anyone's gonna correct this thing.
- 34:44Speaker 1: So I think the mystery will remain, which is kind
- 34:46Speaker 1: of neat. But you do think that there's actual language
- 34:49Speaker 1: encoded in it? No, I think it's drugs, Okay, So
- 34:52Speaker 1: you think it's just total gibberish. Yeah, or or you know,
- 34:57Speaker 1: this dude and his drug friends made up a language
- 34:59Speaker 1: that exists that within their turret. But again it's following
- 35:04Speaker 1: almost unpredictable, just so unbelievably complex statistical distribution of of
- 35:13Speaker 1: words and letters that it's like that the genius it
- 35:17Speaker 1: would take to fake that or even accidentally make it up,
- 35:20Speaker 1: as I'm saying, maybe they did have have their own
- 35:24Speaker 1: little language, Well they were, there were some smart burnouts. Yeah,
- 35:28Speaker 1: there were a lot of smart burnouts back then. I
- 35:30Speaker 1: wonder if they would be blown away to know that
- 35:32Speaker 1: people were still trying to crack that code that they
- 35:35Speaker 1: made in high school listening to Van Halen. Or maybe
- 35:38Speaker 1: there's some other discovery yet to be made of another text,
- 35:43Speaker 1: a legend, perhaps you know, a Rosetta stone as it were. Yeah,
- 35:47Speaker 1: maybe they just haven't found it yet, and there maybe
- 35:50Speaker 1: there's a whole series of things. Um, you would think
- 35:53Speaker 1: it would have popped up by now, but you never know,
- 35:55Speaker 1: or maybe that has lost the time forever. I'm sticking
- 35:58Speaker 1: with the multiverse idea. Yeah, it's fun to theorize if
- 36:01Speaker 1: you want to fall down a rabbit hole. I also
- 36:04Speaker 1: want to say, before we sign off, go to Voynage
- 36:07Speaker 1: dot nu. There is a dude named Renee zanderberg In
- 36:11Speaker 1: who is a pre eminent voyage scholar. Uh, and he
- 36:16Speaker 1: actually discovered a letter. It was like the the only
- 36:18Speaker 1: the second letter associated with the Voyage manuscript ever discovered.
- 36:22Speaker 1: The first one was discovered with the voyage manuscript. Um.
- 36:25Speaker 1: So he's like hardcore knows what he's doing when it
- 36:28Speaker 1: comes to the Voyage manuscript. And he's compiled this really
- 36:30Speaker 1: amazing website where it's like, here's all the information we have,
- 36:33Speaker 1: here's what we know. Not slanted, not like I'm right
- 36:37Speaker 1: or anything. That's just a really interesting website to go
- 36:40Speaker 1: check out. Does he have did you have everything pasted
- 36:44Speaker 1: on his wall with like yarn at the scratched out
- 36:49Speaker 1: on all the pictures. I think it's pretty neat. I
- 36:52Speaker 1: mean I just like things that are unknown and you
- 36:55Speaker 1: can speculate all day, and it's not one of these
- 36:57Speaker 1: unknowns where, uh, you know, where skeptics can come in
- 37:02Speaker 1: and say, you know, this doesn't even exist, like it's
- 37:06Speaker 1: a real thing. Yeah, they're like it's a hoax. They
- 37:08Speaker 1: just got their hands on some velum. But really, and
- 37:11Speaker 1: they predicted that we would be carbon dating fifty years later.
- 37:15Speaker 1: I don't think so, Buddy goes down. It's nice like
- 37:19Speaker 1: it's a genuine bona fide mystery residing in the Yale Library.
- 37:25Speaker 1: If you want to know more about the Voyage Manuscript,
- 37:27Speaker 1: like I said, go to voytage dot and you. You
- 37:29Speaker 1: can also visit our website at um how stuff works
- 37:32Speaker 1: dot com by typing voyage in the search bar. And
- 37:35Speaker 1: since I said dot and you, it's time for listener
- 37:39Speaker 1: mail or the Yale Library is it on display or
- 37:42Speaker 1: is it chucked away? They actually, I'm glad you brought
- 37:44Speaker 1: that up. There's another um uh, the Yale Collection. They
- 37:49Speaker 1: did high resolution scans of every single page. You can
- 37:52Speaker 1: go on to the Yale Library site and basically browse
- 37:55Speaker 1: the Voyage Manuscript. You have to have a an appointment
- 37:59Speaker 1: and get permission first, which I imagine would be the
- 38:02Speaker 1: result of like an extensive letter writing campaign. You have
- 38:04Speaker 1: to make an appointment to go see the actual thing, yes,
- 38:07Speaker 1: but I mean not just like. I'll be there at
- 38:09Speaker 1: five Tuesday. How's our for your Like you have to
- 38:11Speaker 1: get permission and submit your credentials and all that stuff.
- 38:15Speaker 1: But you could conceivably see it. You have to be
- 38:17Speaker 1: a friend of John Hondgman he holds the keys um
- 38:23Speaker 1: all right, Uh okay, So the answer is they don't
- 38:26Speaker 1: have it on display prominently. That's another way of saying
- 38:30Speaker 1: what I said. All right, I'm gonna call this. Uh,
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