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The Family Vlogger - Ruby Franke - Part 1 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: A once popular family YouTuber behind the Channel eight Passengers,
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  Speaker 1: built her brand on showcasing strict, value based parenting to
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  Speaker 1: millions of subscribers, but in August of twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 1: her carefully curated image collapsed when one of her six
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  Speaker 1: children escaped her home in alarming condition, nownourished, bound and
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  Speaker 1: begging for help. The discovery of her child sparked a
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  Speaker 1: criminal investigation that uncovered systematic abuse, leading to the arrests
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  Speaker 1: of two women. What followed was a shocking unraveling of
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  Speaker 1: digital influence, religious extremism, and parental control gone dangerously unchecked.
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  Speaker 1: This is the story of the family vlogger Ruby Frank.
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  Speaker 1: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Grim,
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  Speaker 1: a true crime podcast. The following material more mature audience listener.
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  Speaker 1: Do I sound different?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, just checking these your headphones. Headphones are still messing
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  Speaker 1: with me. I don't know. It's it does not seem right.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I need different ones. I don't know, or maybe
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  Speaker 1: I just need to get used to them. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You should probably just get so the same ones don't
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  Speaker 2: exist anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Unless they're used. Yeah, at which I haven't looked. I
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  Speaker 1: can probably find them on eBay, I guess somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: But well, maybe you should do that before I replace mine.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, I don't know, we'll see take those. These ones
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  Speaker 1: are fine, It's just I'm just not used to it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but what I am getting used to is the warm weather,
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  Speaker 1: the summer approaching. It's farmers market season again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We did go to the farmer's market actually on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: It was lovely we did. I had some banck and
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  Speaker 2: you had some simosis.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were delicious.
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  Speaker 2: I should mention that I had a nintella on my bannock,
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  Speaker 2: which the next.
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  Speaker 1: Level, and cinnamon sugar.
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  Speaker 2: Actually. Yeah, Well the person in front of me, I
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  Speaker 2: was just going to do nutella and then he was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh can I also get like a little sprinkle of that?
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  Speaker 2: And then I was just like, I'll have exactly what
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  Speaker 2: he had.
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  Speaker 1: If you haven't had bannock before, it's delicious. Yeah, recommend
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  Speaker 1: ten out of ten. Campfire bannic. I really like doing that,
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  Speaker 1: which we haven't done in a long time.
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  Speaker 2: No we haven't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you wrap it on like a stick, you
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  Speaker 1: can even roast it over the fire like that. It's
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  Speaker 1: so good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, man, now we're just going to make everyone hungry.
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  Speaker 1: Well, maybe what you guys should do is, since it's
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  Speaker 1: the season, go check out your local farmer's market, see
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  Speaker 1: what you can find. Yeah, and then of course you
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  Speaker 1: get to support local that way too, which is super cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the best part of it, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you get to like actually support local, you
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  Speaker 1: support those around you. It's like the community thing. Just
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  Speaker 1: like over on Patreon, you have many people who support us.
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  Speaker 2: They sure do.
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  Speaker 1: That was a good segue here, it was so shout
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  Speaker 1: out to Kimberly, Nelly, Kylie Flynn, Erica Green, Lily, Capril Loane,
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  Speaker 1: Capri Glan. It's it's interesting spelling. Okay, don't judge me.
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  Speaker 1: Capri Loin Capri Loin is how I'm gonna double down
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  Speaker 1: and say, you say your name, Lily, I'm sorry for
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  Speaker 1: butchering your name. Kathy Smith, Jordan Fairbanks, Carolyn Leclair, and
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  Speaker 1: Alyssa Gatehouse.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, it amazes me that we still like weekly have
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  Speaker 2: a list. Yeah, that's so awesome.
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  Speaker 1: We have a lot of people who want to check
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  Speaker 1: us out on Patreon, even if they just like come
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  Speaker 1: in for a month and ditch out later, or maybe
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  Speaker 1: they stick around for a long time, whatever the reason,
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  Speaker 1: whatever their purpose, their support is immense and we really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: We sure do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we sure do. So I think we should get
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  Speaker 1: right into this case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is gonna your intro is very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It's a different case than we generally cover because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: typically it's like, oh, murder, murder, murder, right, So I
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  Speaker 1: was looking for one where there's survivors. So there is
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  Speaker 1: no casualties in the way of death, and it is
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  Speaker 1: only survivors in this one. But that doesn't make it
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  Speaker 1: any less sad for what occurs. But it's a little
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  Speaker 1: less heavy in that murder that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but sure, it's sure odd that I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: if she's on YouTube like kind of giving parenting advice
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  Speaker 2: or so, and then literally treating her kid like a
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  Speaker 2: piece of shit. Yeah, I am going to be very
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  Speaker 2: interested in this because that's wild.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll talk. We'll talk about it, don't you worry.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, get on with it. Then.
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  Speaker 1: So. At one time, Ruby Frank was known as the
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  Speaker 1: upbeat face of eight Passengers, a popular YouTube channel documenting
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  Speaker 1: the daily life of a large Mormon family in Utah.
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  Speaker 1: For years, millions tuned in to watch her pack lunches,
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  Speaker 1: teach life lessons, and manage the challenges of raising six kids.
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  Speaker 1: To many viewers, Ruby seemed like the embodiment of family values,
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  Speaker 1: you know, organized, faith driven, and devoted to motherhood. But
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  Speaker 1: in the fall of twenty twenty three, her story flipped entirely.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't just fall from grace, she actually plummeted, you
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  Speaker 1: could say. In late August, she was arrested alongside her
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  Speaker 1: business partner and confidant, Jody Hildebrandt, after one of Ruby's
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  Speaker 1: children escaped from the home in Irving's Utah Now. The
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  Speaker 1: twelve year old boy was found emaciated and bound with
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  Speaker 1: duct tape. He fled barefoot through the neighborhood seeking help,
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  Speaker 1: and what followed was a police investigation that would unearth
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  Speaker 1: a deeply disturbing system of abuse, discipline disguised as healing,
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  Speaker 1: and beliefs that pushed parental control into the realm of cruelty.
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  Speaker 1: Ruby was a smiling mom on YouTube, but the curtain
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  Speaker 1: had been pulled and it revealed the truth behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: With the charges now filed against her felony, child abuse, neglect,
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  Speaker 1: and psychological torment. For some, it was a surprise but
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  Speaker 1: for others, especially long time viewers who raised concerns years earlier,
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  Speaker 1: the arrest felt like a confirmation of something they had
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  Speaker 1: already sensed that behind these curtains of the curated family
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  Speaker 1: content was a pattern of control, punishment, and alarming parenting choices.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, this is wild.
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  Speaker 1: So back in twenty fifteen, Ruby Frank did what thousands
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  Speaker 1: of other moms were starting to do. She picked up
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  Speaker 1: a camera and she started filming her family. The idea
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  Speaker 1: was simple, share snippets of her life raising her six
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  Speaker 1: children in a clean cut, faith centered home. She called
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  Speaker 1: the channel eight Passengers.
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  Speaker 2: I do like that name. That is kind of a
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  Speaker 2: cool name.
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  Speaker 1: It is, and it's a nod to her family of
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  Speaker 1: eight because she has, you know, six children. There's her
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  Speaker 1: and her husbands. There's eight of them, and the channel
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  Speaker 1: it actually quickly took off as well. Now, at first,
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  Speaker 1: the content was light and relatable morning routines, you know,
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  Speaker 1: packing school lunches, chore charts, family vacations, nothing particularly flashy,
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  Speaker 1: just a kind of wholesome slice of life type video
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  Speaker 1: that resonated with viewers. Ruby and her husband Kevin, both
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  Speaker 1: members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints,
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  Speaker 1: which from here on out, I'll say LDS leaned into
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  Speaker 1: their faith and their family values. They didn't shy away
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  Speaker 1: from disciplining discussions things like that on these videos and
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  Speaker 1: things that they were doing. They didn't shy away from
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  Speaker 1: you know, respect or obedience. But it was all framed
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  Speaker 1: as loving, structured parenting the audience. It grew fast. Videos
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  Speaker 1: like gender reveals happened, you know, back to school, shopping days,
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  Speaker 1: a day in the life with six kids, it racked
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  Speaker 1: up hundreds of thousands of views. Milestones were celebrated publicly,
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  Speaker 1: things like kids birthdays, baptisms, and even quiet family dinners.
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  Speaker 1: By twenty sixteen, eight Passengers had crossed the one hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand subscriber mark on YouTube. A year later, they were
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  Speaker 1: into the millions.
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  Speaker 2: So in like a matter of two years. Yes, that's
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  Speaker 2: pretty impressive, actually.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, And with that comes you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: income because doing these sort of things adds and such.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly when you're in the millions of subscribers, that's basically
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  Speaker 1: a gold mine, honestly. So that set her apart was
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  Speaker 1: how organized and polished everything looked. The Franks became a
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  Speaker 1: model of Mormon family life on YouTube, modest, smiling, and
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  Speaker 1: seemingly in control of the chaos of parenting. They were
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  Speaker 1: part of a growing subculture of the so called Mormon
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  Speaker 1: mommy vloggers, which included other popular creators like Ruby's own sister,
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  Speaker 1: who had also had a successful channel. Now their lies
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  Speaker 1: became kind of an aspirational type content with traditional devout,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all this sort of stuff going on. But
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, YouTube's monetization was a powerful motivator. As
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned, it's kind of a gold mine. With millions
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  Speaker 1: of views, came real money from ad revenue, sponsorships, and
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  Speaker 1: even speaking opportunities. Ruby wasn't just sharing her life, she
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  Speaker 1: was building a brand. She was building a business and
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  Speaker 1: a career centered around her family. And with every new
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  Speaker 1: subscriber that brand, it gained more reach, it gained more
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  Speaker 1: influence and more pressure to maintain the illusion of perfection.
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  Speaker 1: But before they became a YouTube brand, Ruby and Kevin
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  Speaker 1: Frank were a typical LDS couple, building a life around
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  Speaker 1: their family and faith, and the education of their children
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  Speaker 1: as well. The two met while attending Birmingham Young University
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  Speaker 1: in Utah, where Kevin was studying engineering and Ruby was
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  Speaker 1: pursuing a degree in Home and Life and Family life.
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  Speaker 1: They married in two thousand, eventually setting in Springville, Utah,
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  Speaker 1: a tight knit community where their faith and family centered
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  Speaker 1: values were flourishing. Together, they had their six children, Sherry, Chad, Abby, Julie, Russell,
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  Speaker 1: and Eve. The parenting philosophy was rooted in the doctrines
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  Speaker 1: of Church of Jesus Christ Latter day Saints LDS, teachings
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  Speaker 1: that emphasize obedience, family hierarchy, modesty, and spiritual worthiness. These
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  Speaker 1: beliefs were a constant backdrop in the home and eventually
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  Speaker 1: their videos on YouTube as well. But Ruby's passion for
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  Speaker 1: motherhood and discipline extended beyond her own household. She was
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  Speaker 1: part of a larger family network that had also found
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  Speaker 1: success online. Ruby's sisters, as I mentioned, had found success.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Bonnie, Allie, and Julie were all family lifestyle
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  Speaker 1: vloggers in their own right. Each had their own take
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  Speaker 1: on the mommy influencer identity, and together they created what
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  Speaker 1: some viewers jokingly called the Griffiths family YouTube empire.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they probably saw how successful Ruby was, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not too sure who started first. Okay, certainly
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  Speaker 1: one of them would have kicked it off and you know,
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  Speaker 1: got the others into it, and it obviously took off.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, wow, we could do this too. So
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  Speaker 2: it's not easy to make video. So I just have
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  Speaker 2: to put that out there.
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  Speaker 1: It's not It is relatively difficult. I mean, we started
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  Speaker 1: doing YouTube a little bit about a year ago. We
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  Speaker 1: got super busy and we fell behind. We're wanting to
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  Speaker 1: do it again, but it's not an easy task. It
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  Speaker 1: is a full time job. If you're going to actually
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  Speaker 1: pursue a YouTube career, well.
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  Speaker 2: Then I also just struggle bout it's hard when a
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  Speaker 2: camera's on you just being yourself and stuff, right, so
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  Speaker 2: rather than having a facade, yeah and like coming off
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  Speaker 2: natural and stuff. So, I mean, I've never watched any
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  Speaker 2: of these people's videos, but it's not the most easiest
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  Speaker 2: of tasks.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's for sure. Now, this interconnected group of sisters
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  Speaker 1: amplified each other's content. They collaborated frequently and shared a
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  Speaker 1: similar aesthetic, you know, the clean house, the well behaved children,
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  Speaker 1: and focused on homemaking. At the center of it all.
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  Speaker 1: Ruby stood out for her strict and structured parenting style.
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  Speaker 1: She seemed to ell is the authority that came with motherhood,
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  Speaker 1: not just in her own home, but in the public
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  Speaker 1: space as well. Now, over time, Ruby started speaking less
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  Speaker 1: like a mom sharing her day to day life, and
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  Speaker 1: more like a woman on a mission. She often positioned
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  Speaker 1: herself like an authority figure in the home, one who
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  Speaker 1: was how do I say this properly? Because I really
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  Speaker 1: like this. Really it identified, It gets you the identity
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  Speaker 1: on who she is. It really paints the picture. She
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  Speaker 1: was someone who thought she knew best not only for
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  Speaker 1: her kids, not only for her own kids, but she
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  Speaker 1: knew best for what other parents should be doing too,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: See, I don't love this, but I do think in
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  Speaker 2: the time, there was that was kind of popular where
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  Speaker 2: everyone was like obsessed with people showing their perfect lives.
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  Speaker 2: And it's sort of changed now where people are more
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  Speaker 2: into like seeing the chaos and stuff and then they
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  Speaker 2: don't have to feel so bad about themselves and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: because who the hell has a clean house at every moment?
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  Speaker 1: That's true. I mean, there is still like that market
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  Speaker 1: for that perfect life sort of thing, because I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure we've all seen it at one point scrolling TikTok
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  Speaker 1: or Instagram. There's those people who like are reloading their pantry,
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  Speaker 1: the perfect pantries, like all everything's daizing it and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: taking it out of the marketing package, putting it in
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  Speaker 1: clean glass jars. It's all those sort of things. So
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  Speaker 1: it's definitely still a place for that style of content.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, like a lot of you guys listening to
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  Speaker 1: our podcast, you appreciate us because we're real about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we stumble and don't know what to say.
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  Speaker 1: Something we don't know. We don't know how to pronounce
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  Speaker 1: everyone's names for example. Right, So it's it becomes real,
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  Speaker 1: we're real people, and that becomes relatable in its own right.
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  Speaker 1: So there is both both ways on which it can go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm yeah, I'm sure both have their fans
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  Speaker 2: and stuff, but I'm definitely more on the relatable scale.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, Well, she was more so on the picture
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  Speaker 1: perfect side of the scale, and her parenting. As things progressed,
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  Speaker 1: it was becoming more firmer. Her language was more absolute,
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  Speaker 1: like what I say goes, rules were rules, consequences were
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  Speaker 1: necessary in her house, and feelings were secondary to behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, almost like a little bit of a dictatorship.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed like this wasn't just a YouTube mom. This
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  Speaker 1: was someone who clearly believed she had a calling to collect,
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  Speaker 1: to instruct, and to shape within her family, but regardless
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  Speaker 1: of her feelings or ideas, for years, eight Passengers flourished
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  Speaker 1: as a family friendly brand. Ruby's image as a nonsense,
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  Speaker 1: faith driven mother was part of what made her stand out.
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  Speaker 1: Viewers praised her for setting boundaries and for holding firm
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  Speaker 1: to values and prioritizing discipline in a culture that often
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  Speaker 1: tiptoes around, you know, gentle parroting. But in twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: the tide had started to turn. Longtime subscribers began raising
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  Speaker 1: some questions. Something think about the tone of the videos,
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  Speaker 1: the punishments, the languages, the way Ruby talked to and
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  Speaker 1: about her kids started to feel off. Discipline was no
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  Speaker 1: longer a teachable moment. It was becoming almost a public
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  Speaker 1: spectacle on the YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 2: Oh gross, that's gross.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah now. One of the most talked about moments came
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  Speaker 1: when Ruby revealed on camera that her teenage son Chad
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  Speaker 1: had lost his bedroom, so he lost rights to have
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  Speaker 1: his bedroom and for seven months, his bed had been
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  Speaker 1: removed as a punishment for what she described as pranking
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  Speaker 1: his younger brother.
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  Speaker 2: For seven months, he didn't have a bed.
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  Speaker 1: Correct. Viewers watched as Chad, visibly uncomfortable, explained how he
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  Speaker 1: had been sleeping on a bean bag for nearly a year.
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  Speaker 1: Now to their defense, I don't think I'm not defending them,
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying this is their defense. They removed the bed
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  Speaker 1: for punishment of these prankings, and they said, you can
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  Speaker 1: sleep wherever you need to, the couch, whatever, the floor,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you need to do to sleep, you get that,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't get your bed. And he chose the
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  Speaker 1: bean bag is how they framed it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I just don't. Still not okay, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Still not okay. Honestly, you know what, Remove all your
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  Speaker 1: kid's fashion clothes, replace it with white T shirts, jeans.
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  Speaker 1: The last thing you should be removing is a fucking
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  Speaker 1: bed though, bed. Like I understand taking away privileges, a
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  Speaker 1: bed is not a privilege.
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  Speaker 2: I almost feel like a bed is like kind of
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  Speaker 2: like a safe place in a way. Yeah, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: a dog or whatever has a kennel and stuff like
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  Speaker 2: your bed, Like you spend eight hours or nine hours,
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  Speaker 2: or kids probably spend ten hours or whatever in there,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like it's almost like they need that. It's
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  Speaker 2: survival they do.
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  Speaker 1: They really do. And don't get me wrong, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying go ahead and like take away your kid's clothes
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  Speaker 1: and they only get white t shirts and stuff. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying, if you're going to take something away, there's
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  Speaker 1: other ways about it. You can take, you know I
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  Speaker 1: things that they enjoy away and still give them things
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  Speaker 1: that they need to survive, things that they need to
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  Speaker 1: make through life, and so they understand whatever message you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to get across, you know what, take away their toys,
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  Speaker 1: take away computer time, whatever it is. I'm not a parent,
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  Speaker 1: don't ask me these questions. I'm probably wrong in saying
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  Speaker 1: this already, But a bed, are you fucking kidding me?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I've heard people like they take away electronics or something,
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  Speaker 2: but I've heard mostly like for a week or something. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you're grounded or something for a week. But to take
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  Speaker 2: away your bed for almost a year is pretty next level. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to be a parent to think that's
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  Speaker 2: next level, No kidding.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Ruby saw this as a necessary consequence, and many
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  Speaker 1: others saw it as neglect, which honestly is exactly what
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  Speaker 1: that is. Then there was a moment when Ruby admitted
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  Speaker 1: she'd forgotten to pack a lunch for her youngest daughter, Eve,
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  Speaker 1: and rather than call the school or bring her something,
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  Speaker 1: she told viewers quote, the natural outcome is she's going
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  Speaker 1: to be hungry today. What it was delivered with a shrug,
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  Speaker 1: as if hunger was a moral lesson rather than a
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: basic need. It's not even Eve's fault, it's your fault,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Holy and Eve is suffering as a moral lesson.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: That does not seem like someone that should be teaching
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: things because I feel like most people would just go
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: and deliver the kid's lunch or because now she's kind
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: of putting it on the school, because I know, like
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: school like it happens kids forget lunch, and I think
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: schools have like granola bars or something that they can
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: pass out, because yeah, like you need to eat, especially
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: when you're in this atmosphere of learning and everything.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're a developing child and stuff. Like when
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you're an adult and you're counting your calories and you're
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: trying to lose weight. Hey, maybe you skip a meal.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I get you, but you shouldn't be like, oh, I
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: forgot to pack my kid's meal. I guess you're going
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: hungry today, It's not that she couldn't afford it. It's
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: not that she didn't remember it. She vlogged it saying, oh, well,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: she goes hungry.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: That's something that can stick in the kid's life forever.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Her memory and stuff as kind of traumatic.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Other moments followed. Kids were made to sleep
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: on the bathroom floor, punishments that seemed more about shame
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: than learning. There's emotional breakdowns, kids crying on camera while
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Ruby kept filming. What made it all more uncomfortable was
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that these weren't just hidden moments. Ruby shared them freely,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: sometimes even proudly. To her they were part of the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: process of raising strong, obedient children, But to many viewers
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: it started to feel like something much more serious was
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes. And don't get me wrong,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sure she is raising strong obedient children. But the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: idea isn't to raise strong obedient children. The idea is
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to raise healthy adults.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it doesn't really sound like they have a
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: childhood day.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: And what I mean by healthy adults is they grow
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: healthy and they become healthy adults. So you need to
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: have healthy children to become.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: A healthy adult, like healthy happy.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, healthy is determined and described in many different ways
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: mentally healthy, physically healthy, you know, eating healthy food, being
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: in a healthy environment, a loving environment, you know. But
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: she was she was bringing the hammer down way too
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: hard and way too many places.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it sort of to me just sounds like they
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: would be terrified of her, like I feel terrified of her.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably well now, By twenty twenty, backlash was growing.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Viewers began compiling clips in timelines on Reddit and YouTube
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: commentary channels. Petitions circulated demanding that eight passengers be demonetized
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and that child protection services investigate the family. Several of
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: these petitions gathered tens of thousands of signatures. Still, Ruby
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: just doubled down. She dismissed critics as worldly and soft,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: claiming they didn't understand her values. She framed the outrage
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: as persecution, even attest to her strength and her faith.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Her defensiveness only deepen concerns. Multiple wellness checks were reportedly
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: conducted by authorities, though Ruby maintained in videos that nothing
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: inappropriate had been found. As criticism of eight Pastures intensified,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Ruby didn't back down. She pivoted. Around twenty twenty one,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: her online content began to change, gone were the light
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: hearted family vlogs and holiday crafts in their place intense
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: discussions about obedience, sin, and emotional correction. Ruby had found
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a new collaborator and an entirely new philosophy to promote. Now.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: This collaborator was a woman by the name of Judy Hildebrant.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Jody Hildebrant My apologies now. Jody was a licensed mental
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: health counselor and founder of Connections Instead with a T,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: It's with an X. It was a controversial life coaching
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and therapy program with roots in religious based behavioral correction.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Her views were stark. Children were not innocent. Instead, they
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: were capable of manipulation and deceit. Accountability she believed must
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: be immediate and sometimes harsh. And Ruby seen, and Ruby
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: seemed to be all into this idea. She's just like, yes,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent, She's totally game, totally agrees. Now. Together
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the two women began creating content for Connections in its platform.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just therapy, it was ideology. They recorded podcasts,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: online classes, and video content that emphasized control, emphasized order
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and moral absolutes. Children were to be held to adult standards.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Emotions were suspect disobedience was framed as evil. To Ruby,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: this partnership appeared to be a revelation. Her language grew sharper,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: her demeanor shifted, and on camera she seemed rigid and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: increasingly severe. Her children, once ever present in her content,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: were suddenly less visible, and fans noticed a chain and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: grew alarmed.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: What the hell is going on here? This is just
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: angering me?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it should.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Holy hell because also, what was the line you said
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: there that children should be like held to adult standards
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, they're not adults though I know that
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense, I know, but.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: That was their point of view.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Now, behind the scenes, things were unraveling. Ruby and her
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: husband Kevin, who had long played a more reserve role
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in the channel, separated sometime around twenty twenty two or
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: early twenty twenty three. While Ruby moved in with Jody
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Hildebrandt in the small Utah town in Irvings, Kevin stayed behind. Later,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: he would tell police that Ruby had essentially pushed him
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: out of the house and cut off contact with his children.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: In fact, by this point he hadn't even seen them
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: in over a year.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I can only imagine that he was not
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: allowed to basically say a word or have any thought
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: in how they should be raised or supplend or anything.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Didn't seem like it concerned viewers continued filing reports. The
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Utah Division of Child and Family Services had already received
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: multiple complaints related to eight passengers, and wellness checks were performed,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: though no legal action had yet been taken. And as
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you know she was saying on her channel, there was
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: no consequences or nothing ever found. But Ruby and Jody
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: seemed to tighten their grip. They believe their work was
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: righteous and then that they were the only ones who
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: could see the truth about children and parenting.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: They almost seem like they think they're like they should
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: be worshiped or something like they're like starting a cult
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: or something. I don't even know it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Honestly, they're going that direction. Yeah, one hundred percent. The
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: philosophy being preached online was no longer just theory. It
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: was becoming practice. In a quiet, remote house, far from
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the public eye, Ruby and Jody had begun applying their
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: beliefs in ways that were as extreme as they were dangerous,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: but nobody truly knew what was actually about to happen,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: not yet. It was August thirtieth, twenty twenty three, and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: it began like any other late summer morning in the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: quiet neighborhood of Erving's Utah. But by mid morning it
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: would become the epicenter of a case that would shock
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the nation. At ten forty six am, a man named
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Dan Clarkson heard his doorbell ring. When he opened the door,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: he saw a twelve year old boy. He was barefoot,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: emanciated with open wounds wrapped in duct tape around his
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: wrists and ankles. His name was Russell and he was
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: one of Ruby's six children. Security camera footage from the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: home captured the quiet urgency of the moment. Now, at
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: first the boy approached and was knocking in the door
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and everything, but there was no answer, and he began
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: to walk away. But then the door opened and there
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: was Dan, and he started talking to the boy. Now,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the boy asked for a ride to the police station,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and of course Dan Clark's and his wife as well
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: asked what was going on and the boy Russell quietly replied, quote,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it's personal.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, this breaks my heart.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, when the Clarksons they invited the boy to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: sit down. They started talking to him, and they called
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: nine one one. The truth began to emerge. In fact,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: on that nine one one call, Dan Clarkson is heard
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: trying to hold back tears as he describes the situation
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: to police because Russell's condition, it's obvious what he looks like.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: He does not look well. They're talking about how he
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: obviously looks like he was held the duct tape on
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: his wrists and everything. And I mean Russell hadn't even
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: eaten in days when police arrived, like, he was dehydrated,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: He was disoriented, and he was terrified. And the problem though,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: was he wasn't alone because two of his sisters he
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: told them, were still inside the home that he had
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: just escaped from and Jody Hildebrand's home.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Hm hmm, this just I actually have tears in my eyes.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: That is so this is so sad, Holy shit it is.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Now his paramedics arrived and began assessing Russell's condition. What
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: they found was horrifying. Yes, his wrists and ankles showed
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: signs of long term restraints. The skin under the duct
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: tape was infected, and the wounds were surrounded by a
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: substance of sorts, and that substance appeared to be a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: homemade mixture of cayenne pepper and honey and plastic wrap.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: What the actual shit? So they, okay, they're using these
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: kids as like experimenting, aren't they. I don't know if
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: that's what's going to come out here, but this is
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: fed up.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Well. Russell told EMTs that he had been tied up
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: by his mother and Miss Jody as form of punishment.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Miss Jody.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: You, in fact, though he was so deeply into this
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: ideology that his mother was betraying and putting on this household,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: he blamed himself and he said that he deserved it.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. And this little boy is twelve years old.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Correct, Oh no, oh no, So he's like, yeah, my
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: mommy did this to me. My mom tied me up
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and ductate me. But you know, I deserved it. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: was being punished. I was being bad.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: What the hell is wrong with this person?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: These two women, I guess not just this person, but
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: holy shit.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, police sprang into action. Officers on scene quickly confirmed
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the location of Jody Hildebrandt's house and noted the urgent
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: need to perform a welfare check for the other children.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Because as as he said, there's you know, his two
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: siblings are in the house. Russell approaches like, yeah, I've
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: got my two sisters in that house still. So officers
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: are like, we need to get there, we need to
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: do welfare check, we need to see how these other
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: two kids are. So as they're still, you know, at
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the home where Russell knocked on the door, they're talking
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to the Clarksons and they're talking to Russell. They're getting
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: their bearings, trying to figure out what they're going to do.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Something happened as they prepared. Jody Hildebrandt herself drove up.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was kind of expecting that, but like,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: what the hell is she going to have as an
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: excuse here?
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Well, she told the officer she was looking for a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: twelve year old boy who had run away. Now, the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: officers did not reveal the situation to her. They're like, oh, okay, yeah, no,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: where can we Let's get your information, your name number,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: where do you live. They got all this stuff, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: they're like, well, we'll show up at your house here shortly,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: we'll talk, we'll figure this out, we'll help you find them.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But then they just told her that she they're
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: showing up at her house.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't know if they specifically said they
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: were going to show up at the house. That was
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: me paraphrase. Okay, but they're like, we'll be in touch,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: we'll figure this out, we'll find him, okay, okay. So
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: they took her information without revealing anything that they already knew,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and she went home. But minutes later she received a
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: knock on the door because the police went there too. Now,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: what followed was a tense confrontation, which was caught on
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: police body cameras, and officers instructed Jody to ex the house,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and they immediately when that door was opened, they pulled
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: her out, like get out of here, and they went
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: in the home looking for the kids. Now, she refused
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and demanded to see a warrant right away. She's like,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you don't have a warrant. You don't have a warrant. However,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: she was also on the phone with her attorney. Whether
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: she phoned like right away or not, but wow, she's
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: like and the attorney's like no, like they it's a
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: welfare check, Like you can't they don't need a warrant.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, you're a piece of shit. Just get out
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: of the house.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She's meanwhile insisting she has legal rights, but it's like, no,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: this is a welfare check. They're not doing an investigation,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: they're not pulling evidence, nothing like that. But they're doing
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: a welfare check to find out if these kids are okay.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're not. And that's why she didn't want
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: them to come in exactly. I can only imagine. Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Now, the nine one one call, combined with Russell's visible
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: injuries and his claims that siblings were still inside, gave
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: them that legal authority to enter, and so they did.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Once inside, they were met with an eerie stillness. The
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: house was large. It was sprawling, like it was a
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: fucking mansion, let's be honest, filled with rooms and hallways
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: containing a layout that made searching both slow and they
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: needed to be very deliberate about it. The officers knew
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that they were going to need some help, so they
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: pulled the home blueprints, and thank god they did, because
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: with so many rooms, hidden spaces and offshoots, it would
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: have been easy to miss something so critical. The blueprints
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: helped confirm a room in the basement that immediately raised
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: red flags with a vault style safe door had to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: be at the front, so it's more like a safe
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: room sort of thing, Like you go down it's like
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: concrete walls, concrete floor. There's a bathroom like a bedroom
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: down there, and this great big vault door at the front.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: But before investigators could reach that part of the house,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they found Eve, one of the children. She was nine
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: years old, and she was hidden inside a bathroom closet.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: She didn't cry, she didn't speak, she didn't even seem
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: to register the officers at first. The image of her
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: curled up sitting on the floor silently in that tice
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: tight space would say with everyone who saw that body
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: cam footage, And I did see that footage, and it's
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Oh boy.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: A trained police officer gently introduced himself, promised her safety,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and sat on the floor next to her. She didn't
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: really speak, she didn't really do anything. He said, we
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: don't have to say anything if you don't want to.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just here to make sure you're okay.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Oh man. The fact that he just sits down with her, like, oh,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: that's like the first time in probably forever that she
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: got even like a small amount of respect from someone.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, it continues, and it'll break your fucking heart
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: because she doesn't say a word. She just kind of
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: like just stares and like she's super nervous. And she
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: might have said a word or two just being like
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I'm nervous, like that sort of thing, but other than that,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: just stone silent. And they sat with her, and they
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: worked with her for hours before she would eventually move
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: out of that closet. Now before she did move, though,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: to gain her trust, they decided they were going to
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: you know, give her some food, some pizza. So they
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: ordered you know, officers are searching his house. It's taking hours,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: so they ordered the whole crew lunch. They ordered a
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: bunch of pizza, and they ordered her a personal pizza
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: for herself and a fountain pop as well a soda.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: So they bring it to her and they put the food,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the pizza box on the floor right in front of her,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and a pop like you can eat if you want,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it's okay, and you can see her. She doesn't really
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: react at first, and of course she's quite skinny, she's
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: been deprived of food and everything. Within seconds, she slowly
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: starts reaching for that pizza and drags a box closer
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to her opens it up and she starts eating. She
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: eats the entire pizza to herself, and then she even
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: asks for more of the officer's pizzas.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Seriously, I just saw right now. I'm not going to
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: listen in the rest this episode always shit. Oh man, Okay.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Eve was skeletal. She was terrified and emotionally
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: shut down. Her physical condition mirrored rustles, open sores, signs
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: of dehydration, and serious malnourishment. EMTs who later examined her
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: noted deep wounds on her feet from being forced to
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: walk barefoot, and they were concerns, concerned enough to send
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: her directly to the hospital alongside her brother. You know what,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna do this. I was gonna do it
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: all in one part. But I think let's stop and
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: do two parts for this because it's heavy.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my god? Why? Because your wife is over your solving?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is heavy. I think a break for this
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: would be good, and I think this might be a
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: good place to stop it. Do you want me to
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: go a little bit further before I stop, or is
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: this a good stopping point for you?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you decide. I don't even know what
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the hell is to come. I just can't even fathom that,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: like someone's like an adult who's supposed to be like
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: protecting these littles like a mom and stuff is doing this.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: It's unreal. It's unreal.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: It is it really is.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Oh oh man, I don't okay, let's just stop, I
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: guess because I can't get this pizza thing out of
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: my mind. It's going to destroy me all day.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Sorry, let's stop here. This is definitely heavy, so let's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: continue in part two. I'll make sure that I put
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: part one, because we didn't discuss this being two parts
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: in the beginning of this episode. I'll put part one
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: in the title. Make sure you guys understand its part
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: one before you click on it. And Nicole's glaring at
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: me and crying.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not glaring at you. I'm just like, holy shit,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I can't get my shit together right now. It's so sad.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: It is. And this is supposed to be a woman
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: who's teaching other people how to raise their children, who's
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: portraying good family values, and she's doing this to her children.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: And the fact that they're like living in a mansion.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: She clearly has like a lot of money, and she
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: could just be giving those kids like the world really yeah,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and this is what she's doing. It's just heartbreaking because
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: so many people there can't afford to give their kids
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: what they would want to and she can and this
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: is what she's doing, Like, are you kidding me?
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I know there's millions of people out there, like hundreds
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: of millions of people out there, probably who don't have
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: who barely have enough money to get by, and they
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: are ensuring they give their kids still the world. Yeah,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: love the attention. They're doing double triple shifts before Christmas.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: They can afford a Christmas present. Yeah, And meanwhile, this
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: bitch is taking away their kids' beds, making them walk
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: barefoot through a fucking mansion, on these punishments like not
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: feeding them, yeah, tying them. Oh my god.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Well I just can't imagine the police officer to like
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: watching her eat this food and then her asking for
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: like some of his Like, oh my gosh, I just
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: think that you would never be able to recover from
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: that because your heart would just like sink. Yeah, like
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: that is it's too much?
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: No, that's totally fair. So yeah, I have no idea
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: how long this episode is because I didn't plan on
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: it being a two parter. Hopefully it was good. We'll
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: catch up in the rest of it in the next part.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Give you guys a breather in between, and let Nicole.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: We'll get her a box of Kleenex so she can get.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I'm fine, I'm fine. Everything well no, not everything is fine.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: This world's fucked up, but I'm fine.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: This world's fucked up. Yeah, this was supposed to be
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: a bit of a nicer case because hey, they're survivors.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, at you at the beginning of this, you're like, yeah,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: we're just like toning it down a bit. I did
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: say where everybody who's probably saw being away, it's way
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: worse than ones where people were getting like murdered in
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: their heads cut off.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I did say that it was survivors, and I did
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: say it was still heavy. I guess it's just very
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I did also say it's heavy in its own way.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I can't win. I'm just I'm the bad guy every time.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, No, it's just I think the next
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: episode will probably be better. Well, they'll probably be really
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: shitty parts, but then you know, we'll get just they
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: get out of this, right, So.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Definitely, I'll tell you right now. Finding Eve. The eating
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: the pizza situation is probably the heaviest part of this.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, of course we still go over heavy things,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it was it was just a heavy encounter
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: with Eve.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Let's put it that, no kidding. In the bathroom closet.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so now I will say this bathroom closet's not
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: like a closet we generally think of. I should describe
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: it a bit better. It's probably the size of like
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: your standard bathroom. Oh okay, so it's it's like it's
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: like probably like a six by six room something like that,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: maybe an eight by eight room even.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Still, yes, what the fuck?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But anyways, I digress. Sorry for being so heavy
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: on this one. If you want to check out links
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: all in the description, we'll catch you in part two.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Hopefully you have a good time to take this all
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: in and we'll talk more and discuss it then.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: So until next time, stay wicked.