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Bonus: Reggie Watts’ Ego Was Too Big to Kill · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life?
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Speaker 1: Just a touch to get you through?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to
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Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: we talk about Reggie Watts and corrosive evil. Are the
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Speaker 1: real bad guys the dudes who are hiding in plain sight? Plus,
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Speaker 1: Reggie Watts had us talking about John Hughes, and now
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Speaker 1: we're talking about John Carpenter, and great music from horror movies,
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Speaker 1: as well as your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and as always,
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for
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Speaker 1: the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know
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Speaker 1: that the best history is the history that gets buried.
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Speaker 1: Disgraceland is where I tell the stories you'll end up
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Speaker 1: telling to someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, as we get closer to Halloween week here,
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Speaker 1: the signs are all around us. It's spooky season. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we see it. I was cruising. I opened my Apple. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: not my Apple, my Samsung TV the other day. And
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Speaker 1: tons of ads for Crystal Lake, the prequel to Friday
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Speaker 1: the 13th. And I'm kind of interested in watching it,
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Speaker 1: but I won't watch it because I'm not that interested,
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Speaker 1: despite the fact that I loved these movies when I
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Speaker 1: was a little kid. It just got me thinking, though,
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Speaker 1: you know, thematically this week in Disgraceland, we have the
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Speaker 1: Reggie Watts episode. And Reggie Watts is a particular type
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Speaker 1: of villain. And thinking about Jason Voorhees and his mom
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Speaker 1: and Crystal Lake and Freddy Krueger and Halloween and all
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Speaker 1: the sort of overtly evil villains that that we've seen
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Speaker 1: throughout our sort of horror culture that's out there. Even
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Speaker 1: the true crime serial killer culture, we see this with
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Speaker 1: our Rewind subject this week, ACDC's part one and part
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Speaker 1: two that we just released this past Sunday, re-released this
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Speaker 1: past Sunday. And the character of Richard Ramirez, who is
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Speaker 1: a serial killer who is clearly evil, overtly evil, much
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Speaker 1: more in line with the sort of, you know, Freddy Krueger,
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Speaker 1: Jason Voorhees types of villains that I'm thinking about. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: my point is we spend a lot of time in
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Speaker 1: our culture talking about these types of overtly evil villains.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, we do spend time speaking and talking about
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Speaker 1: and thinking about the covert villains, but those are the
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Speaker 1: villains that are more interesting to me. It's probably why
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to watch Crystal Lake at this point
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Speaker 1: in my life. I'm more interested in the type of
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Speaker 1: evil that is corrosive and that is a little more subtle.
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Speaker 1: And that's what makes the Reggie Watts story so compelling
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Speaker 1: to me. I ask in this episode on Reggie Watts–
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Speaker 1: the thesis question of, is Reggie Watts the dude that
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Speaker 1: your mother warned you and or your sister about? And
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Speaker 1: we all know the type of guy I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: I don't think our moms were talking about Jason Voorhees
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Speaker 1: and Freddy Krueger. I think they were talking about a
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Speaker 1: much more subtle sort of wolf in sheep's clothing type
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Speaker 1: of dude. And Like I said earlier, with Reggie Watts,
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Speaker 1: he's not only a wolf in sheep's clothing if these
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Speaker 1: accusations about him regarding the death, the suicide of his ex-girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: Catherine McCullough, if the allegations from Catherine McCullough's family and
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Speaker 1: friends are true, then it speaks to a sort of villainous,
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Speaker 1: corrosive rot that can happen in relationships. Thankfully, I've never
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Speaker 1: been in an abusive relationship. I know many people listening
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Speaker 1: probably have. I can't fully understand what that is like.
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Speaker 1: But in researching Catherine McCullough and Reggie Watts' relationship, in
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Speaker 1: researching Catherine McCullough's life, I'm left with a very sincere
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Speaker 1: sense of empathy for the victim here. And whether or
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Speaker 1: not Catherine McCullough was a victim of Reggie Watts, she
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Speaker 1: was certainly a victim of something. And again, back to
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Speaker 1: this idea of the corrosive rot that's sometimes there in relationships.
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Speaker 1: When you're in the relationship, it's very hard to see.
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Speaker 1: And of course, people outside the relationship, as was the
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Speaker 1: case with Catherine McCullough, based on how her life went
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Speaker 1: after she met Reggie Watts. She had a lot of
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Speaker 1: family and friends step in and try to bring certain
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Speaker 1: facts to light for her. I'll put it that way.
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Speaker 1: But this corrosive rot, it's a different type of evil.
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Speaker 1: And it's way more interesting to me, the subtle nature
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Speaker 1: of it. It's like, it reminds me of, I was
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Speaker 1: going to this gym about a year ago and there
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Speaker 1: was a guy there uh, who was older, he was
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Speaker 1: in his early sixties and he was getting physical therapy.
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Speaker 1: And this guy was, was in a, he was in
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Speaker 1: really rough shape and he, he could barely walk anymore.
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Speaker 1: He could barely talk. He, he, like I said, he
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Speaker 1: was in his early sixties. He looked no joke, like
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Speaker 1: he was in his nineties. And, you know, I asked
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Speaker 1: my trainer one day what happened to this guy? Cause
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Speaker 1: clearly something happened to this guy. And he was, uh,
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Speaker 1: This dude was a classically trained and I believe employed
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Speaker 1: violin player. And he lived in Maine his whole life.
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Speaker 1: And he did not know that he was living with
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Speaker 1: black mold. This is the theory anyways about what happened
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Speaker 1: to this guy. They don't know for certain. But he
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Speaker 1: had just been inhaling this deadly mold for years and
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Speaker 1: years and years. And it was eating away at his body.
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Speaker 1: And his life was completely ruined from it, obviously. This
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Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about. That's not evil. That's bad luck.
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Speaker 1: But as an analogy, you hear what I'm saying here.
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Speaker 1: When it comes to Reggie Watts, and again, nothing is proven.
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Speaker 1: And Reggie Watts and his attorney deny all of the
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Speaker 1: allegations related to Catherine McCullough and what her family and
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Speaker 1: what her friends are alleging and what we discuss in
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Speaker 1: our episode. I don't know if there were signs of
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Speaker 1: that black mold in that violin player's home, but there
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Speaker 1: are signs of the rot in Reggie Watts' personality and
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Speaker 1: in his backstory when you read his, as he calls it, memoir,
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Speaker 1: which I know it's probably called a memoir as some
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Speaker 1: sort of irreverent joke. It's an autobiography. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: there are signs. And The big sign is the glaring
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Speaker 1: narcissism that is on display in this autobiography that is
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Speaker 1: then confirmed by this, at least the allegations in the
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Speaker 1: Catherine McCullough story. And I just think that the type
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Speaker 1: of evil that you're living next to for years that
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Speaker 1: you're unaware of is far scarier to me than the
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Speaker 1: hyper-imagined sort of super villain, Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees, hiding
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Speaker 1: under the bed, the boogeyman under the bed, or the supernatural,
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Speaker 1: you know, sci-fi villain that's going to come and just,
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Speaker 1: you know, change humanity as we know it. To me,
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Speaker 1: the scarier one, and I suspect for you guys as well,
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Speaker 1: is the villain that we all know, the villain that
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Speaker 1: some of us are living next to, are living with.
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Speaker 1: Way scarier. Way scarier to me. And as an artist,
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Speaker 1: as a writer, as a podcaster, as a whatever, I
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Speaker 1: really wanted to understand how this happens. That's why we
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Speaker 1: dug into this Reggie Watts story. And the question again,
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Speaker 1: is Reggie Watts the dude your mom warned you and
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Speaker 1: or your sister about? We're going to get into that
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Speaker 1: thematically over the course of this episode, this after party.
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Speaker 1: We'll be talking about it beyond this episode as well,
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Speaker 1: well into next week when I finally get to all
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Speaker 1: the voicemails and all the texts and DMs and all that. Now,
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Speaker 1: relative to this concept of living amongst the evil, amongst
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Speaker 1: the rot, living with the guy your mom warned you about,
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Speaker 1: I watched a little bit of The Shining yesterday. My
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Speaker 1: wife and I just kind of threw it on. And
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Speaker 1: it's an extreme analogy to this Reggie Watts, to the
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Speaker 1: Reggie Watts story, the Reggie Watts accusations. You have the
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Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson character. He's He's crazy in a type of
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Speaker 1: way that goes way beyond narcissism. And then you have
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Speaker 1: the Shelley Duvall character living with this madman until it
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Speaker 1: all kind of boils over into destruction. And it struck
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Speaker 1: me that part of what made that story resonate with
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Speaker 1: so many people is that it is just an extreme
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Speaker 1: version of this thing that we're talking about, with Reggie Watts,
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Speaker 1: living with the evil, living with the mold and not
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Speaker 1: knowing it. And that to me is way scarier. Side note,
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Speaker 1: watching The Shining, I haven't watched this movie probably five years,
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Speaker 1: 10 years. And I don't think I watched it from
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Speaker 1: the beginning the last time I watched it because I
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Speaker 1: was blown away this time by the opening credit scene
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Speaker 1: with the car driving through the mountains. First of all,
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Speaker 1: it's beautiful. The cinematography is incredible. And it kind of
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Speaker 1: hit me in a way that the way that music
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Speaker 1: hits me now when I listen to a CD as
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Speaker 1: opposed to listening to compressed digital music on Spotify. And
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Speaker 1: you really hear What music was meant to sound like,
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Speaker 1: or if you're listening on vinyl with a great turntable
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Speaker 1: through a great receiver and great speakers. But just watching
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Speaker 1: the shots that they clearly shot in a helicopter or
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Speaker 1: a plane, I don't know. Completely fill my widescreen TV
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Speaker 1: on my wall, which is a big fucking television. And
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Speaker 1: that music, man. Oh, my God. My God. The music
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Speaker 1: in those opening credits is incredible. Horror movie music, I
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Speaker 1: feel like culturally it's overlooked. It's kind of sneered at.
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Speaker 1: It's looked down on. And I want to get into
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Speaker 1: this a little with Zeth. This is what we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about in the exclusive section of this after party.
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Speaker 1: horror music, specifically the music in The Shining. And I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about John Carpenter as well, the great
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Speaker 1: horror movie director, who's also a musician and did a
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Speaker 1: lot of, I think most of the music from his movies.
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Speaker 1: I watched Christine last week, the Stephen King adaptation of
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Speaker 1: the Stephen King book that John Carpenter directed and did
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Speaker 1: the music for. So we're going to get into John
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Speaker 1: Carpenter as well. All of this tracing back through The Shining,
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Speaker 1: through Jack living with the Shelley Duvall character whose name
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Speaker 1: escapes me at the moment, and living with the rot,
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Speaker 1: the rot of it all. Reggie Watts and this incredible story.
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Speaker 1: This might be my favorite Disgraceland story that we've produced
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Speaker 1: in recent years. I just love it. I love what
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Speaker 1: the guys did with the music. I love what they
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Speaker 1: did with the mix. And the story, like I said,
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Speaker 1: it's one of those stories that is super compelling to
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Speaker 1: me because I'm trying to understand it. I'm really, really,
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Speaker 1: really trying to understand how a woman who was so beautiful,
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Speaker 1: so smart, so incredibly smart, could fall victim to what
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Speaker 1: is alleged here. So anyways, as we talk about this
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Speaker 1: more this week, get at me, 617-906-6638, voicemail and text
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Speaker 1: at disgracelandpod on the socials, disgracelandpod at gmail.com. And let
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Speaker 1: me know what you think. Is Reggie Watts the guy
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Speaker 1: that your mother warned you and or your sister about?
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Speaker 1: Or do you think that this is all kind of
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Speaker 1: made up? And do you have any experiences yourself with
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Speaker 1: living with the evil, living with the rot? How did
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Speaker 1: you figure it out? How did you get smart? How
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Speaker 1: did you come out of that spell or whatever? And
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Speaker 1: how did you see the light? I want to know. 617-906-6638,
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Speaker 1: voicemail and texting. It's the spooky season, so Zeth and
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Speaker 1: I are going to be talking about great horror film
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Speaker 1: music in the exclusive section of this after party. You
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Speaker 1: want to join that conversation, go to disgracelandpod.com to sign
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Speaker 1: up to become an exclusive all-access member of Disgrace Land.
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Speaker 1: You will hear that conversation, and you'll get more exclusive
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Speaker 1: content just like this, plus ad-free listening. All right, guys.
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Speaker 1: As you know, Reggie Watts is in the feed this week.
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Speaker 1: That's our new episode. Follows up two ACDC Rewind episodes
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Speaker 1: from last weekend. Our Rewind episode this coming weekend is
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Speaker 1: on Madonna, who's been in the news quite a bit lately.
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Speaker 1: And then next week, we've got our episode on Shannon
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Speaker 1: Hoon from Blind Melon. Now, you probably think of Shannon
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Speaker 1: Hoon as the gentle hippie poet behind No Rain, but
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Speaker 1: Shannon Hoon grew up in the same small Indiana town
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Speaker 1: as none other Then Axl Rose. And once you hear
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Speaker 1: how Shannon Hoon really lived, you are never going to
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Speaker 1: hear the song No Rain the same way again. On
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Speaker 1: Halloween 1993 in Vancouver, Shannon Hoon wanted to upstage Lenny Kravitz. Now,
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Speaker 1: I saw Shannon Hoon and Blind Melon and Lenny Kravitz
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Speaker 1: on this same tour. Anyways, Blind Melon was opening up
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Speaker 1: for Lenny Kravitz. And I remember Blind Melon not being good.
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Speaker 1: At all. And I remember Lenny Kravitz. This is second
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Speaker 1: album era Lenny Kravitz. This is Mama Said. This is
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Speaker 1: that incredible band. They fucking slayed. He was so good.
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Speaker 1: And Blind Melon was like a blip that night. They
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Speaker 1: were basically nothing. So it's no doubt that I believe
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Speaker 1: very much what I've read that Shannon Hoon felt like
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Speaker 1: he was constantly getting upstaged by Lenny Kravitz because I
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Speaker 1: saw it.
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Speaker 2: He was.
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Speaker 1: Anyways, in Vancouver on that same tour in 1993, Shannon
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Speaker 1: Hoon stripped naked, climbed the speaker tower naked, and proceeded
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Speaker 1: to urinate on the first five rows of the crowd.
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Speaker 1: Shannon Hoon was apprehended by the police and he was
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Speaker 1: promptly kicked out of Canada, as he should have been.
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Speaker 1: What a fucking dumb thing to do. Anyways, this is
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Speaker 1: part of what you're getting in the Shannon Hoon episode
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Speaker 1: this week. in Disgraceland, perfectly timed for Halloween. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: this was on Halloween 1993 when this all went down.
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Speaker 1: That's coming up next week. Shannon Hoon, make sure you
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Speaker 1: are listening, guys. Question of the week for that Shannon
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Speaker 1: Hoon episode. When you're listening to Shannon Hoon, you're listening
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Speaker 1: to Blind Melon and Disgraceland, be thinking about the singers
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Speaker 1: who we write off as one-hit wonders and let us
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Speaker 1: know which so-called one-hit wonder artist deserves to be remembered
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Speaker 1: for more than just their biggest song. 617-906-6638 with your answer.
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Speaker 1: You might hear yourself on next week's after party. Voicemail
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Speaker 1: and text, all right?
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Speaker 3: 617-906-6638.
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Speaker 1: I'll be back in just a bit to talk Reggie
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Speaker 1: Watts with you guys. Your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and more.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we are back talking Reggie Watts this week.
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Speaker 1: I say we're talking Reggie Watts this week. We're talking
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Speaker 1: about everything. Okay. We're talking about everything, Disgraceland, Under the Sun,
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Speaker 1: any of these episodes. We're releasing so much content. We
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Speaker 1: have so many different conversations going on. I feel like
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Speaker 1: it's kind of useless for me to try and just
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Speaker 1: qualify the whole week around one conversation. There's a gazillion
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Speaker 1: conversations going on.
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Speaker 3: 617-906-6638.
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Speaker 1: You can hit me up about anything. Last week, and
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Speaker 1: this is apropos for the whole month, we had this
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Speaker 1: great conversation going on about evil in music. This voicemail
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Speaker 1: on that subject comes from Adam in Texas. Hey, Jake.
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Speaker 4: Adam from Texas, currently in Maryland. And I say this
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Speaker 4: after watching news and everything, and you're saying about people pretending.
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Speaker 1: To be what they aren't.
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Speaker 4: And I can't help but be bowled over with just
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Speaker 4: the overall, so opposers, liars, the sickle people, and it's
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Speaker 4: just people needed to be true to who they are.
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Speaker 4: And the people that are posers and trying to be, oh,
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Speaker 4: I'm Satan worshiping and all this other stuff just for money.
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Speaker 4: It's the same with the whole Christian values thing of
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Speaker 4: people that claim one thing and they're doing something else.
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Speaker 4: And it's just like, yeah, sure. Fill your pockets with
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Speaker 4: all the money and all the gold and all the
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Speaker 4: things while you're illustrating us all with just messages of
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Speaker 4: this and that. And it's just a sad commentary on
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Speaker 4: everything we're seeing right now in this post-truth reality that
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Speaker 4: we have all been served with. And I just, you know,
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Speaker 4: want to crawl in a hole and, you know, cry
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Speaker 4: myself to sleep at the same time. It's just the
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Speaker 4: world that we're in right now. We're just trying to
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Speaker 4: make the best of what we got, but we just
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Speaker 4: have to try to soldier on and, The only way
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Speaker 4: to the end of everything is through it. So, you know,
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Speaker 4: that's life. Anyway, love this show.
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Speaker 2: Love you guys.
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Speaker 1: Bye. Adam, thanks for the call, my man. Adam, do
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Speaker 1: not despair. Do not despair. Listen, there's beauty everywhere. I know.
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Speaker 1: I understand you're discouraged. I get it. We all get discouraged.
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Speaker 1: I read the whole paper yesterday, Sunday paper, and, you know,
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Speaker 1: my head was spinning by the end of it. But still,
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Speaker 1: there is beauty everywhere. There is beauty in art. There
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Speaker 1: is beauty in music. There is beauty in film. There
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Speaker 1: might be beauty right outside your door right now that
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Speaker 1: you're just– you're so beaten down by the news of
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Speaker 1: the day or whatever it is, the posers that you're
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Speaker 1: talking about, all the bullshit that's out there. It's just fucking–
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Speaker 1: sometimes it just feels like you're like– what's that Star
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Speaker 1: Wars scene? Matt will know where they're in that garbage
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Speaker 1: compactor and they're being closed in from the sides and
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Speaker 1: the shit's coming up from the bottom. It's all just
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Speaker 1: about to consume you. I'm telling you, man. I know
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Speaker 1: that feeling. I know it well. But I also know
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Speaker 1: because I do so much fucking research. constantly in my
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Speaker 1: head is in history just as much if not more
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Speaker 1: than it is in the now and things are different
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Speaker 1: sure we can define things as we want to define
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Speaker 1: them for the modern day but there has always been
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Speaker 1: a mountain of bullshit a torrent of bullshit coming at
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Speaker 1: us constantly okay and we do have the ability to
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Speaker 1: see past it it takes takes a lot to do
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Speaker 1: sometimes i'm with you uh but there is beauty out
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Speaker 1: there and and i hope you can find it man
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Speaker 1: you go watch a great horror movie watch a slasher
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Speaker 1: movie watch somebody you know murdering somebody and the ridiculousness
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Speaker 1: of it and get a good laugh out of it
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Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. Keep listening to Disgrace Land.
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Speaker 1: Call back, Adam. Hope you're feeling better, my man. You know,
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Speaker 1: Adam touches upon this thing that I was thinking about
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Speaker 1: this weekend. Like, I don't want to be inspiring despair
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Speaker 1: with this content. And I kind of feel like I
20:06
Speaker 1: got to find a way to overtly inspire the opposite
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Speaker 1: of that. I have to somehow use these stories or
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Speaker 1: find other stories or bits of these stories, anecdotes, to
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Speaker 1: inspire people to look at people who are doing great
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Speaker 1: things in this world and have done great things historically.
20:21
Speaker 1: And I was also thinking about this because of the
20:23
Speaker 1: Marianne Faithfull episode that I just wrote, which is largely
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Speaker 1: a Rolling Stones story. And Marianne Faithfull's story is really
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Speaker 1: fucked up. She ends up being a true casualty of
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Speaker 1: rock and roll. Her life goes... It goes from the
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Speaker 1: absolute tippity top to the complete below, below, below the bottom.
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Speaker 1: And throughout all that, there was actually some greatness in
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Speaker 1: a lot of beauty. And I hope I did a
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Speaker 1: good job of expressing that. I'm not sure I did.
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Speaker 1: But I did sort of land at this place of, yo, dude,
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Speaker 1: there's beauty out there. And you need to call that
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Speaker 1: out just like you're calling out the darkness. And even
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Speaker 1: with the Reggie Watts story from this week, it's very dark.
21:07
Speaker 1: It's very, very, very dark. But when it comes to
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Speaker 1: what Reggie Watts actually made, when it comes to his art,
21:14
Speaker 1: his comedy, his music, I give it up to the
21:16
Speaker 1: guy because there's never been anyone like him before and
21:18
Speaker 1: his fans are legion and they are fanatical for a reason. Anyhow,
21:23
Speaker 1: it's that balance, that tension that's always there. Adam, you
21:26
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Thanks for the call, brother.
21:30
Speaker 1: This one, let's check in with the 6-8 one. Hey, Jake, buddy.
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Speaker 3: Love what you do, man. Learned a whole bunch. Sleary
21:39
Speaker 3: from West Virginia. I grew up on tour with following
21:43
Speaker 3: the Grateful Dead with my folks. And I loved your
21:46
Speaker 3: episode about the Grateful Dead. Like, I guess, double episode.
21:51
Speaker 3: But one thing, a rumor that I always heard growing
21:54
Speaker 3: up was that Greg Allman was an informant and actually
22:00
Speaker 3: went on the witness stand and allowed one of his
22:04
Speaker 3: roadies or a driver of some sort to take the
22:08
Speaker 3: rap for a drug bust that was actually his, and
22:12
Speaker 3: the guy served some serious time over it. And I
22:16
Speaker 3: was just wondering if that was true, and if so,
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Speaker 3: do you get to touch on.
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Speaker 2: It and do an episode about it, maybe?
22:22
Speaker 3: All right, brother. Appreciate you.
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Speaker 2: Much love.
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Speaker 1: All right, 681, listen, man, ask and you shall receive.
22:29
Speaker 1: There is an Allman Brothers episode. It's available for you
22:31
Speaker 1: right now, and it is complicated. When it comes to
22:34
Speaker 1: Greg Allman, it's a complicated story, my man. And we
22:38
Speaker 1: released this to our All Access members about two, three
22:43
Speaker 1: years ago, something like that. But we brought it out
22:45
Speaker 1: into the wide feed a couple months ago. It's there
22:47
Speaker 1: for you. You want to check that out. Appreciate you, Larry.
22:50
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. All right, let's check out this message
22:53
Speaker 1: from BL in the 443.
22:56
Speaker 3: Hey, Jake.
22:57
Speaker 2: My name is DL.
22:58
Speaker 1: Just the two letters.
22:59
Speaker 2: DL. I love the podcast. I found it my way
23:02
Speaker 2: of my favorite murder. And I am like binging.
23:05
Speaker 3: It nonstop ever since I found it. I just got through.
23:08
Speaker 1: I'm still in 2022.
23:10
Speaker 3: Just got through the big fucking Charles Manson saga.
23:12
Speaker 2: That was awesome.
23:14
Speaker 1: Anyways.
23:15
Speaker 3: I noticed you haven't done Tiny Tim. You should do
23:17
Speaker 3: Tiny Tim, because he's fucking insane in the best way possible.
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Speaker 2: Uh, he had a run-in with Charles Madsen.
23:23
Speaker 3: Pretty sure he was mobbed up. And he basically died
23:26
Speaker 3: on stage. And the dude was fucking crazy.
23:29
Speaker 1: Uh, in a very, very unusual way.
23:32
Speaker 3: And, uh, yeah, he was a pedophile, and that's really unfortunate.
23:35
Speaker 2: So, um, anyways, very unique character.
23:39
Speaker 3: Um, and I would just be so fascinated to hear you, uh,
23:42
Speaker 3: put your spin on it.
23:43
Speaker 1: So... Podcast is awesome.
23:45
Speaker 2: Life-changing.
23:46
Speaker 1: Amazing.
23:47
Speaker 2: Groundbreaking. God damn it. Stick it up my ass.
23:50
Speaker 1: Thank you. Oh my God, BL, my head's spinning. Tiny
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Speaker 1: Tim was a pedophile? How did I not know this?
23:56
Speaker 1: How did I not know any of this? I don't
23:58
Speaker 1: know any of this, BL. And I'm kind of, I
24:02
Speaker 1: started researching a new episode this morning that I can't
24:05
Speaker 1: stop now because I got about six hours invested into it.
24:09
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, fuck, man. Should have done Tiny Tim.
24:12
Speaker 1: I'm putting Tiny Tim on the list. I think a
24:15
Speaker 1: friend of mine, I won't mention his name because if
24:18
Speaker 1: what you say about Tiny Tim is true, I don't
24:20
Speaker 1: know that he would want this out there, but an
24:22
Speaker 1: old friend of mine, a guy I'm no longer that
24:24
Speaker 1: close with, knew Tiny Tim toward the end of his life.
24:29
Speaker 1: What's that all about? BL, appreciate you. 617-906-6638, voicemail and text.
24:34
Speaker 1: I appreciate all you guys. This is why we do this.
24:38
Speaker 1: You're turning me on to stuff here that I didn't
24:40
Speaker 1: know was out there story-wise. And I love it. 412
24:45
Speaker 1: writes in, hey, Jake, love the show. Still catching up
24:48
Speaker 1: a little bit, so it may have been mentioned already.
24:49
Speaker 1: But if not, any intention of doing an episode on
24:52
Speaker 1: the rise and apparent fall of Jelly Roll? A lot
24:55
Speaker 1: of people saying he nuked his career. Anyway, keep up
24:57
Speaker 1: the excellent content. I don't know much about Mr. Jelly Roll.
25:01
Speaker 1: Is it Mr. Roll or Mr. Jelly Roll? I know
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Speaker 1: he's got some tattoos and I think he was in prison,
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Speaker 1: but I really don't know anything about it. And I
25:10
Speaker 1: don't know, 412. I'll put them on the list. 214,
25:13
Speaker 1: text in Jake. Here's a random selection of songs that
25:15
Speaker 1: takes me back to God. Not a fan of Christian
25:18
Speaker 1: power ballads. Neither am I.
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Speaker 3: 214.
25:20
Speaker 1: 214 goes on to say, check out gospel blues where
25:24
Speaker 1: the lyrics are scripture. This might be AI.
25:27
Speaker 3: I don't know.
25:27
Speaker 1: It's a brilliant mashup of genres.
25:30
Speaker 3: P.S.
25:30
Speaker 1: There's a Led Zeppelin cover tucked in there for you
25:32
Speaker 1: that you may not have heard. Rock and roll. From Sam. Sam,
25:34
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I listen to gospel music. More specifically, gospel
25:38
Speaker 1: bluegrass pretty much every Sunday morning. I try to anyways.
25:41
Speaker 1: I love that stuff. Gets me in the right mode,
25:45
Speaker 1: the right frame of mind for Sundays. 480 writes in, hey,
25:49
Speaker 1: just listen to your queen episode. Given that you said
25:52
Speaker 1: you have your jazz LP insert framed on your wall,
25:55
Speaker 1: I had to share. And the 480 sends in a
25:58
Speaker 1: photo of his or her, actually his, this is Johnny Zapp,
26:04
Speaker 1: framed photo from the uh from the jazz album the
26:09
Speaker 1: insert and uh looks an awful lot like mine i
26:13
Speaker 1: gotta say black frame you get kind of a gold
26:18
Speaker 1: insert there man i don't know what happened to mine
26:21
Speaker 1: i gotta find it gotta find it pre-kids wall art
26:26
Speaker 1: not sure it's appropriate anyways uh johnny's app goes on
26:29
Speaker 1: to say blown away by the number of people that
26:31
Speaker 1: do not know what this is uh come on people
26:35
Speaker 1: johnny's app Johnny Zapp, appreciate you, man. Thanks for the photo.
26:39
Speaker 1: Johnny Zapp's referencing the Queen episode. Guys, if you haven't
26:41
Speaker 1: heard that, check that out.
26:44
Speaker 3: 617-906-6638.
26:44
Speaker 1: Voicemail and text. Get at me with whatever you want
26:47
Speaker 1: to discuss. We'll be back right after this with your
26:50
Speaker 1: emails and more Disgraceland. Oh man, quite the saga in
27:07
Speaker 1: the studio today. Had this errant buzz going on. These gremlins,
27:12
Speaker 1: ghosts in the machine, couldn't figure it out. Wasted about
27:17
Speaker 1: an hour dicking around with cables, texting with Matt, who's
27:21
Speaker 1: had it up to here with this bullshit. And I
27:24
Speaker 1: don't blame him. I have as well. Anyways, I think
27:26
Speaker 1: we got it figured out. Who the fuck knows? Speaking
27:29
Speaker 1: of gremlins, you ever see that Twilight Zone episode? William Shatner.
27:33
Speaker 1: It's one of my faves. Check it out if you
27:35
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. Disgracelandpod at gmail.com. You want to get
27:39
Speaker 1: at me on the email machine. Fascinating, fascinating email here
27:44
Speaker 1: from Joshua Blevins. Joshua writes in, Subject, AI music bot
27:50
Speaker 1: firm conspiracy. Saw this and I've seen many comments about
27:54
Speaker 1: the conspiracy that the music industry has been doing the
27:57
Speaker 1: same thing. Was wondering your thoughts on that. Joshua has
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Speaker 1: included a link to a United States Attorney's Office website
28:04
Speaker 1: Southern District of New York, press release, headline, North Carolina
28:09
Speaker 1: musician charged with music streaming fraud aided by artificial intelligence. Basically,
28:15
Speaker 1: the charge here is that musicians are using AI to
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Speaker 1: inflate their streams and thus their career. Joshua goes on
28:24
Speaker 1: to say, also, I really got into an AI music
28:26
Speaker 1: creation last year. It's come a long way. I hope
28:28
Speaker 1: it never replaces actual musicians. I wanted to use Joshua's
28:32
Speaker 1: email here. to tee up a little bit of a
28:35
Speaker 1: conversation about artificial intelligence with you guys. Now, obviously, people
28:41
Speaker 1: using AI to inflate, artists using AI to inflate their
28:44
Speaker 1: music streams and use that for nefarious criminal purposes, fraud.
28:49
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? We just did this little
28:50
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones episode on fraud was a big part of it. Obviously,
28:54
Speaker 1: that's fucked up. AI is something that we're constantly talking
28:57
Speaker 1: about around here because basically everybody's talking about it. And
29:01
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, AI drives me absolutely crazy.
29:05
Speaker 1: I think that what they're selling us as far as
29:08
Speaker 1: what AI can do for creatives is bullshit, coming and going.
29:16
Speaker 1: What they promise it can do for us, what it
29:19
Speaker 1: can create for us is bullshit. I don't think... It
29:24
Speaker 1: can actually create anything that can supplant what humans can
29:28
Speaker 1: create when it comes to art. Can it create efficiencies?
29:31
Speaker 1: Of course. And I also don't buy into the doom
29:34
Speaker 1: and gloom of it all either. That's a whole other conversation. However,
29:38
Speaker 1: all of that said. everybody is going to be using this. Everybody,
29:44
Speaker 1: everybody is going to be using this. And I don't
29:46
Speaker 1: care what people's attitudes are about it right now when
29:49
Speaker 1: it comes to art and creativity. Artists are going to
29:53
Speaker 1: be using AI at scale. I can tell you from
29:58
Speaker 1: conversations I'm having around different projects that are happening in Hollywood,
30:03
Speaker 1: it's all going in this direction. Anybody who works in
30:05
Speaker 1: Hollywood and is being honest with you, despite how the
30:09
Speaker 1: streamers and the studios are, despite what they're putting out
30:14
Speaker 1: there as far as like, you know, we're trying to
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Speaker 1: protect artists, blah, blah, blah. They're all moving towards using
30:19
Speaker 1: AI to replace humans. The reason this doesn't scare me
30:23
Speaker 1: is because I don't believe you can make anything compelling
30:27
Speaker 1: with artificial intelligence without a super heavy human hand when
30:32
Speaker 1: it comes to art and creativity. You might be able
30:35
Speaker 1: to make a movie with Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise
30:38
Speaker 1: driving in a car, talking to each other, and it
30:40
Speaker 1: looks like Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, but it's completely
30:42
Speaker 1: devoid of any artistic POV or merit. And it will
30:47
Speaker 1: never have that POV or that merit unless humans are involved.
30:51
Speaker 1: And there's no magic wand that you can wave at
30:53
Speaker 1: it and take five seconds to write a movie script.
30:56
Speaker 1: It just can't be done. And I don't see it
30:58
Speaker 1: being done anytime soon. That might be naive, but it's
31:04
Speaker 1: certainly fascinating. I don't think it's naive, but I do
31:07
Speaker 1: think it's fascinating. And I'm interested in figuring out how
31:10
Speaker 1: this is going to be used for creatives, for writers
31:13
Speaker 1: like myself, for podcasters like myself, and in film. Because
31:17
Speaker 1: I'm already seeing it. And I'm seeing it in ways.
31:21
Speaker 1: Not in sloppy ways. What was that show I really
31:26
Speaker 1: liked on HBO? DTF St. Louis. There's AI scenes in
31:33
Speaker 1: that series that come and go really quickly. You don't
31:35
Speaker 1: even really notice them. And I didn't hate them. You
31:38
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Again, it wasn't slop. Now, I
31:40
Speaker 1: can't stand the slop. There's a ton of slop. And
31:43
Speaker 1: it's just like we're in this really weird space right now.
31:48
Speaker 1: It's like people are just completely allergic to the topic.
31:51
Speaker 1: And I get it. I understand it.
31:53
Speaker 3: Right?
31:54
Speaker 1: And then people are being completely disingenuous about it as well.
31:57
Speaker 1: And I'm really fascinated to see where we land with this. Anyways,
32:01
Speaker 1: Joshua Blevins, Disco Joshua Blevins, thank you for teeing up
32:05
Speaker 1: this conversation. You guys want to tee up any conversation
32:08
Speaker 1: about anything we're talking here in Disgraceland? Disgracelandpod at gmail.com
32:12
Speaker 1: is how you email me. All right, guys, it's a
32:15
Speaker 1: spooky season. Lots of Halloween talk in the Hollywoodland feed
32:20
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32:23
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32:27
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32:30
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32:37
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32:40
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32:48
Speaker 1: Zeth and I, as I mentioned earlier, are having another conversation.
32:51
Speaker 1: This one's specifically about great music in horror movies. That's
32:56
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32:59
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33:15
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33:18
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33:39
Speaker 1: All right, guys, we are back. And as I mentioned,
33:40
Speaker 1: every week we have a vast archive of episodes. A
33:43
Speaker 1: lot of you don't know what we got in the archive.
33:45
Speaker 1: There's a ton of content in there, a ton of
33:47
Speaker 1: artists that we cover. As demonstrated by that caller earlier
33:50
Speaker 1: who didn't realize we have an Allman Brothers story. Lots
33:53
Speaker 1: of stuff. Get into the archive. Hit me up, disgracelandpod
33:57
Speaker 1: at gmail.com, 617-906-6638, voicemail and text if you have specific
34:02
Speaker 1: questions about artists and I can point you in the
34:04
Speaker 1: right direction. All right, let's recap, then I gotta get
34:06
Speaker 1: out of here, all right? Number one, this week, our
34:08
Speaker 1: new episode on Reggie Watts. That's available for you to
34:10
Speaker 1: check out right now. Number two, in the rewind slot
34:12
Speaker 1: this weekend, our classic episode on Madonna next week. Coming up,
34:14
Speaker 1: our new episode, our next new episode, that's on Shannon Hu.
34:17
Speaker 1: Number four, Seth gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes
34:21
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34:24
Speaker 1: I give you my music recommendations every week in the
34:27
Speaker 1: wrap party. Number five, the new current This Film Should
34:29
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34:32
Speaker 1: Dead is available now, so check that out. Go to
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34:41
Speaker 1: Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the
34:45
Speaker 1: dark corners of music history, so keep calling, keep texting
34:48
Speaker 1: with your answers to this week's question of the week
34:49
Speaker 1: or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven,
34:52
Speaker 1: don't forget Disco's This isn't just content, it's community, a
34:55
Speaker 1: community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records,
34:58
Speaker 1: and the crime and grime that ties them all together
35:00
Speaker 1: like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right,
35:02
Speaker 1: back on March 28th, 2026, Reggie Watts' ex-girlfriend, Catherine McCullough,
35:07
Speaker 1: died by suicide, setting off a lot of questions into
35:11
Speaker 1: the musician slash comedian's treatment and alleged abuse. And this
35:14
Speaker 1: is what America was listening to on that day, according
35:17
Speaker 1: to the Billboard charts. Number one, Choose in Texas, Ella Lange.
35:23
Speaker 1: Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, four.
35:29
Speaker 1: Number two, Man I Need, Olivia Deen. Last week, two.
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Speaker 1: Peak position, two. Weeks on chart. Number 3, I Just Might,
35:37
Speaker 1: Bruno Mars, Last Week, 3, Peak Position, 1, Weeks on Charts, 10,
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Speaker 1: Number 4, Orson, Alex Warren, Last Week, 5, Peak Position, 1,
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Speaker 1: Weeks on Charts, 56, Number 5.
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Speaker 2: Incredible smell you've discovered.
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Speaker 3: Cut it!