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The Bookie behind the Shohei Ohtani story: Mindset is Mathew Bowyer’s Superpower · Nightmare Success In and Out

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  What happens when your worst fear becomes your reality?
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  Hi, I'm Brent Cassidy, welcome to the Nightmare Success In and
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  Out podcast where we explore how to overcome your fears and
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  nightmares that set yourself free.
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  thing out comment. So who are we talking to today
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  on the Nightmare Success podcast?
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  It's somebody that I'm really, I have really been looking forward
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  to talking to because it's somebody that I admire that I
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  watch every day on Instagram. So I, I, it's and I and the
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  reason why I say this is you all know that listen to this
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  program. It's all about how do you handle
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  your story? Do you own your story or do you
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  hide your story? And if you own your story, then
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  that means that someone else doesn't own it.
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  And I'm interviewing Matthew Bauer here today.
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  He's 50 years old. I, I know that he, he, he turned
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  over that big 5 O. It was last August.
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  He's married, father of five. And Matt became involved in one
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  of the biggest sports stories of recent memory.
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  The story captivated our nation and Japan.
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  And it was Otani from the LA Dodgers, nicknamed Showtime,
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  designated hitter and pitcher. I think everybody who knows
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  baseball knows that name. And his business partner and
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  interpreter. It's EPI, Missouri.
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  And I'm sure I pronounced that wrong, but that's what I do.
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  I pronounce things wrong. But Missouri put in bets using
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  Shotani's money through Matt Boyer and that was operating one
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  of the biggest sporting bets businesses in the nation,
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  unlicensed and and all that going on.
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  He pled guilty in August sports betting, which ended up being
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  money laundering, which ended up being a false tax return.
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  What's interesting about all this?
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  And he's waiting, he's in no man's land waiting for to be
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  sentenced in October. And so most people in no man's
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  land just don't do anything. It's it's truly like Dead Man
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  Walking Matt has done exactly the opposite of that.
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  He started, if you want to follow him at Matthew Boyer 5 on
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  Instagram, you will be inspired by the things that he's doing
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  and the things that he's sharing.
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  He's working on a book. It'll be out.
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  It's called Recalibrate. He's working on a documentary
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  series about his fascinating life journey through all of what
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  he's done. When he gets out, he's already
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  thinking about when he gets out and gets around all of this, he
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  wants to be a mentor, a coach to people in the NFL and and Major
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  League Baseball of how he can teach people not to fall into
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  the addictions of the sports betting and and how to to write
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  yourself into the path to stay away from things that can hurt
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  you. Living through his own life
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  experiences. It's it's quite a story and I
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  can't wait to jump into all that.
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  Auto Plaza Direct telling Brent from nightmare success since you
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  Matthew Boyer, welcome in. How are you my man?
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  I'm I'm living a dream. We're fighting a fight.
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  Thanks for having me. I'm I'm honored to be on your
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  podcast. And I, I appreciate that,
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  Matthew, and it's an honour to have you on it.
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  And I've been looking forward to it.
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  And I know one of the things that you said and one of the
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  things that you've posted and talked about is, is that going
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  through this horrific experience of being totally exposed in a
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  national story and you it, it's about your kids, it's about your
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  family, it's about your life. You want them to know how did
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  dad handle this? You know, did, did he, did he
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  curl up or did he grit it out? Did he, did he do whatever he
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  had to do to, to survive and not be a victim?
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  And, and there's a huge difference between the two.
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  And I think what you've done in the time period, I think it's
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  like the last six months, your Instagram thing has exploded to
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  over like over 85,000 people. Last time I looked might be more
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  than that, might be more than that now 'cause it's growing so
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  fast. But there's something about why
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  people are tuning into you and I think it's being able to follow
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  your journey, your authenticity, your vulnerability of, of
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  saying, hey, here I am, here's what's going on with me.
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  It's not easy. It's, it's, it's a nightmare.
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  But I'm, I'm putting it all out there for everybody to see.
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  But it's also giving everybody that opportunity to say, well,
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  hell, if Matt can do that, maybe maybe I should do that.
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  So, Matt, I know a lot of people know a little bit about your
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  story, but let's take them back. Sure.
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  Where were you as little Matt growing up?
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  Mom, Dad, where? Where did all that take place?
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  I appreciate it's a great question.
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  I, I grew up in Cypress, CA, which is in Orange County, I
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  would say in upper middle class neighborhood.
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  You know, we lived a great life. I have three brothers and so
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  having four boys in a household was chaotic for my mom, and my
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  parents ran a bail bonds business called Boy or Bail
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  Bonds. Ironically, they're bailing
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  people out of jail, which is fine.
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  I did not know I I did a lot of research.
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  I did not know that. Yeah.
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  And you know, my dad was an entrepreneur, very successful.
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  He owned a air tool supply company as well.
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  And you know, they were, they had that hustle to on both of
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  them, but also were focused on raising kids.
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  And the problem was, is, you know, early on in my, my
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  childhood, my dad was a Vietnam vet and he had a little trauma
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  from that, losing a lot of people and friends in the war.
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  And so, you know, he started developing a really bad drinking
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  problem and it got so bad his he was a full blown alcoholic.
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  I would say probably maybe when I was about 8 to 10 years old.
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  And then, you know, did. You recognize it, Matt, as a
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  kid. Yeah, I did, but I didn't
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  understand it, you know, because my dad was a guy who would drink
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  literally 24 to 40 beers a day and he was never really drunk.
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  It was like you're drinking water to him.
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  And I recognize it because it was very odd that I would go
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  grab him a beer. You know, he would have he, he
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  was pretty lazy, to be honest. Like he was a hard working guy,
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  but he became very lazy and he would say, hey, Matt, grab me a
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  beer. And I heard that 20 times a day
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  sometimes or my little brother. And you know, he was just sit by
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  his bed and wait for the phone to ring for bail bonds, which
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  back then they had Yellow Pages. And it was a the job actually
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  hurt him because he was so stationary and bored, even
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  though he made a lot of money and did very well.
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  So sitting around watching movies or TV and just drinking
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  and smoking cigarettes all day was his life.
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  And he was really, he had a great charismatic personality.
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  So he was able to give the facade of, you know, there
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  wasn't a drinking problem because he was never wasted or,
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  you know, able to function. He was a very functioning
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  alcoholic. But it proceeded to get worse.
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  And my mom, after we did about 3 or 4 rehabs, she had enough.
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  So at 12, you know, and let me go backwards for the 1st 12
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  years of my life, we were the kids that got everything we
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  wanted. I mean, within reason, you know,
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  you, you join a baseball team, we get a brand new bat, brand
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  new glove. We had a river house, we had a
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  boat, we had jet skis. So we had all these toys and,
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  and material things. And, you know, my parents were
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  great. They got along great.
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  But once the alcohol became really bad, the, you know,
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  fighting and stuff started happening.
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  My dad was never violent or, you know, he was just more of a
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  combative in a sense of like, I don't have a problem.
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  And as you know, the first thing you need to to do in life is if
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  you have a problem is, you know, recognize it.
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  So that never happened. And so my mom, after about 3 or
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  4 rehabs, just she threw in the towel.
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  So I remember when I was 12 years old, I was in my mom's bed
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  after my dad was kicked out, helping her because she was
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  crying and handling the phone calls from my dad over and over
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  again, wasted trying to, you know, get back in and work it
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  out. And that was a little traumatic
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  for me because I didn't realize the damage maybe that it did for
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  me later in life. But yeah, you know, and it was
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  hard because I was my, my older brother was like 1617 at the
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  time. My other older brother was like
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  18. They were in high school or
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  graduating. One was going to Coast Guard.
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  And then my little brother was too young.
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  He was like 8 or 7. And so like I was kind of the
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  one who understood it the most at that time frame or cared the
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  most. And so, you know, my older
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  brothers were adopted by my dad when they were two and four.
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  My mom had a previous relationship that didn't work
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  out, so my dad raised them. But I can tell that the love for
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  me and my little brother, who was, you know, natural children
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  was a little stronger. And sadly, I think that's
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  common. You know, it's hard to to
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  understand that unless you've been in that predicament.
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  But moral the story is my two older brothers were checked out.
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  They were over my dad and I understand why.
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  So me and my little brother were kind of, you know, in the house
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  were young and my mom had to go to work.
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  I mean, she was already working, but running the bail bonds
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  business because my dad was starting to kind of, they were
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  both fighting for that business and my dad was becoming more of
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  an actual drunk at that point. So, you know, then it was harder
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  for him to actually work. So I watched the fight in my mom
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  and the hustle to maintain and keep us in that house by her
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  hustling and doing creative cakes by Linda, which is a
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  making Cakes Jaffer products. I mean, any hustle she could do
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  if she became a kidney dialysis technician, there were so many
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  things that she was doing and I had so much respect for her to
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  just fight, you know. So I think that's where if
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  something shifted to me, I was kind of a shy kid up until about
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  12:00. And then I realized I always had
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  kind of my dad's personality. So I was, I was outgoing, but it
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  didn't come out really until I was 12.
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  And then that's when I turned into what I consider to be a
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  straight hustler, you know? And I say that in a positive.
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  I mean, there's moments where it turned out to be a negative,
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  right? It's probably why I'm sitting
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  here talking to you today about this.
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  Well, no, but I, I think that's, I think that's interesting
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  though, because you, your role model in that situation was, is
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  seeing your mom do whatever she had to do to get out there and
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  make things work. And you saw that at at an age
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  that you got it, you understood it.
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  I did and it didn't. You know, my work ethic was
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  definitely, you know, brought from that moment the idea of
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  hustling and finding ways to make money instantly became an
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  entrepreneur. You know, at 12 years old, you
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  don't even know how to run a business.
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  But I learned quickly because at fourteen, well, at 12, I started
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  delivering the Orange County Register, the newspaper.
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  I was a paperboy. And so at 14, I was selling the
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  Orange County Register at night in the neighborhood.
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  So we have this woman named Paula that would come by and
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  pick us up. She works for the Orange County
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  Regist, which is a big paper here in Orange County and she
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  come by and pick up about 7 kids and a white Bronco.
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  She'd pick us up at her house, drop us off at an apartment
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  complexes or neighborhoods homes and say hey, I'll come to get
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  you in 45 minutes. You know, hit this neighborhood
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  up. So most of the kids were, I was
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  kind of the younger side. They're like 14 to 18.
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  It was a great job for a young kid in high school and basically
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  you would go door to door and sell the newspaper.
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  And I became the best of that in all of Orange County very
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  quickly to the point where I want a trip to my mom out of all
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  the kids in the entire county to go to Hawaii.
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  I was like, my goal was just to watching her work so hard.
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  I wanted to send her on this trip and I sold the most
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  newspapers in Orange County for month after month.
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  And I just had this grit where I wouldn't let you close the door
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  on me. If you open the door, you were
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  buying the paper. And there's no way.
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  I mean, I would hit you with guilts.
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  I'd hit you with why you need the paper.
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  And I had it down. I mean, I, I would tell people,
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  look, I'll never forget it because it was part of my sales
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  tactic. You know, back then they had
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  coupons in the paper and, you know, comics, right?
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  And the newspapers kind of died off.
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  And as you know, now it is the Internet.
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  But that was our only format of that other than watching the
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  news. So I would say, look, Brent,
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  it's $7.00 for the Orange County Register a month that it was 699
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  back then. I said I equated down to what it
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  was per day. And I said, listen, these
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  coupons alone, you're going to make more than $7.00 back on
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  this. You know, you're going to go to
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  a soup plantation or some restaurant.
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  You're going to save money here. I would break it all down.
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  I said there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't do this.
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  I said, but never mind that. Let's say you don't want to do
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  the paper. If you take the paper for 30
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  days and you cancel it, I still get credit for the sale.
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  How can you tell a 14 year old kid who's trying to win a trip
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  for his mom to Hawaii that you can't spend $7.00?
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  And it was really tough for them to, to say no to that.
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  And I would just grind them. And I was being honest.
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  It was, it was really what you know, And so I would use my
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  sales and guilt and everything possible to get the sale.
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  And it ended up being like if they open the door, I, I was
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  closing 80% of them and. No, I, I love that story
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  because, you know, I think you learn so much in sales and
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  especially at that age, 1415 years old is my dad had a sales
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  company and, and I was 15 years old and he gave me these, these
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  big sheets. At that time, you're 50, I'm 58.
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  They had these big sheets and they had phone numbers on them.
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  And so my deal was, is I had to call and set up appointments for
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  these salespeople. And so if, you know, if I could
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  set the appointment to be one thing, if I, if they could
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  actually go inside making a presentation, then I could get
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  a, a override off of what they did.
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  And so it was total cold calls. I mean, just, it was an age
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  bracket, that's all it was. And so it's funny how you learn
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  like word patterns and stuff, 'cause I still to this day, I
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  could say, Mr. Boyer, hey, it's brick cast, I'm calling you from
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  Fitzinger Funeral Home. I got to apologize to you.
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  I was supposed to get some information out to you yesterday
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  and I ran out of time with a morning or afternoon be better
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  for you. And what I found was this is
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  after trying this a whole bunch, people would accept a something
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  from me if I was late. And I apologize, right.
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  And right when I when I got older, I found out that that
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  still worked. But it was funny how those type
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  of things like you just breaking it down and sure, you use that
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  the rest of your life. No question, dropping their
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  guard is what you did right. You're you're taking some
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  accountability right away. They already respect you for
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  that. You know, I think not only have
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  I used it my whole life, I've used it to this day.
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  Naturally, I go places and I'm not even selling something.
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  But I am, right? You don't realize it.
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  We're always selling ourselves. Always selling something.
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  Yeah. I mean, even if you don't mean
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  to. Right.
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  So I've used those tools to this day and I'll never forget it.
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  I'm beyond grateful for that. Matt, when you won that the the
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  Hawaii trip, did you go with your mom on the Hawaii trip?
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  No, I didn't, I let her take I knew she would have more, more
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  fun. So she took her girlfriend with
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  her. So they're allowed two people to
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  go and I said, mom, just you need a vacation.
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  Like what am I going to do? We're, you know, just go have
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  fun with your girlfriend. So I'll never forget it because
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  you know, it was to Waikiki, which I've still never been to
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  actually. And I she was like crying.
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  I was just a great moment for me at 14 to give my mom something
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  back. And I learned at that point I
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  just didn't never wanted to ask her for money for anything
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  anymore. So that was my goal is to Bert,
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  you know, take the burden off of her as much as possible.
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  My mom is like an Angel, the probably the nicest kind of
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  human being in the world. And I mean that.
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  Of course, most people think that whatever their kids, the
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  best athlete, they're this, you know, whatever.
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  But my mom is, I, I could line up 1000 people and they'd all
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  say then there's no bad bone in her or mean bone.
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  And that being said, it was just trying to give back to her.
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  But that was the start. That was the start of like my
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  hustle journey. And then, you know, finding ways
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  to really make money because I at 16, I was probably making
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  more money than my mom was truly.
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  Like I was hustling, which, you know, when you're a sophomore in
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  high school, you know, I was running a poker ring.
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  I was selling weed. I didn't, I've never done drugs
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  in my life. I was selling marijuana out of
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  the gas station I worked at, and I was just doing everything
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  possible. I built a baseball card
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  collection by delivering the paper route.
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  So I would learn to, when I would go deliver the paper, if I
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  seen a young kid or older kid, whatever, having, you know,
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  playing outside, I'd say, hey, Brent, do you have any baseball
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  cards? And they'd say, yeah, I'd say,
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  well, you know, ironically I have a, you know, a bunch on me.
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  Are you interested in doing some trades?
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  And 90% of the time they didn't understand the value of a Ken
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  Griffey junior and a Rodger Clemens rookie or whatever.
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  So I would, you know, present 50 cards to their two or three.
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  And even though their cards were Commons, they were nothing
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  really three cents apiece. They felt like they're getting a
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  great deal. And of course, I was hustling.
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  Maybe it may be the wrong message, but at that time it
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  was, it was me or them. And that's the way I chose.
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  But you know, I didn't always make the best choices, which is
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  again, why I'm in this predicament today.
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  But I do believe when you make poor choices or you know, even
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  if you sometimes put your morals out of the way, which I have,
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  you got to learn from it and grow.
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  And you know which we'll get into my current situation.
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  But at that time, like my job was hustle, figure it out.
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  And that's, that's what I felt at least.
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  So morally that might have been incorrect, but I, I felt like it
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  was the thing to do. And to be honest with you, you
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  know, it's, it's a world of we all survive and you got to
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  figure it out. So maybe I taught that kid a
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  lesson, hopefully. But so I ended up building this
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  baseball court collection at 16. I bought my truck for myself.
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  My mom didn't give me a dollar and it was a Mazda B2000.
• 19:21
  It was 3500 bucks and I got it painted and put rims and tires
• 19:24
  on it and it was like five, $6000, which go back, you know,
• 19:28
  35 years ago, you know, a lot of money 35 years ago.
• 19:32
  And it was cool because I I didn't have to ask my mom for
• 19:35
  anything really. So that hustle led me to some
• 19:38
  poor decisions later. And you know, I got kicked out
• 19:40
  of my house at 18 for selling weed.
• 19:42
  I got caught for doing that. And that was another growing
• 19:45
  experiment and embarrassing to my mother, but another, you
• 19:49
  know, thing that kind of led me to the path of hustling even
• 19:52
  more and kind of choosing the right side of of things of how
• 19:56
  to make money. Because then I went to work
• 19:58
  legally, you know, as opposed to selling baseball or excuse me,
• 20:02
  selling marijuana. And I sold my baseball card
• 20:05
  collection and I had to re hustle.
• 20:07
  But I still, even at that time, from like 16 years old on, I was
• 20:11
  always involved in sports betting and sports gambling.
• 20:14
  Even at a small level, 20 dollars, $30, whatever, I was
• 20:17
  kind of like the local kid that always that people knew that I
• 20:21
  had. I would call it big balls.
• 20:24
  They would call me so elephant balls, to be honest.
• 20:27
  So I would take bets regardless of my situation, you know, and
• 20:31
  back then if it was $100 bet when you're 16 years old, that
• 20:33
  was a huge amount of money. But everyone knew I would take a
• 20:36
  bet like that. And so we would gamble on
• 20:39
  everything. I was running a poker ring in my
• 20:40
  house which got busted by a mom. One of the local kid
• 20:44
  neighborhood had a thing in his pocket and I owe you lists of me
• 20:48
  for like $340.00. So they the moms had an
• 20:51
  intervention at my house and my mom was embarrassed about that.
• 20:54
  So I just shut down the poker ring.
• 20:56
  But you know, anything to try to make money and, you know, truly
• 21:01
  the fast buck technique, I call it, has always been there for
• 21:05
  me. And that's a bad, you know,
• 21:07
  situation because I've always reached for the quicker, easier
• 21:10
  dollar. And that's what led me to
• 21:13
  running my business to the level I did.
• 21:15
  But I don't want my kids to have that same lesson.
• 21:18
  You know, I want them to work harder and do it the right way,
• 21:21
  obviously. And you know, we all get drawn
• 21:23
  into the easy dollars. I mean, in life, but it's I'm
• 21:27
  not a I'm not a victim. I chose, you know, my path and
• 21:30
  now I'm dealing with that. But at 16, when, when I finally,
• 21:35
  you know, was really making decent money for a 16 year old
• 21:38
  kid, almost as much as like an adult, you know, I, I, I, I was
• 21:42
  kind of like anyone. I, I would spend money on stupid
• 21:45
  things and, you know, have go out and buy things that were
• 21:47
  unnecessary. So that also developed, which
• 21:50
  was bad because I think I've carried that on to even today.
• 21:54
  You know, I had multiple Rolls Royces and Lamborghinis and I
• 21:57
  had all these cars and things that were really, don't get me
• 21:59
  wrong, they were nice, but yeah, it wasn't really necessary when
• 22:04
  I had to get rid of all that. It was a little price swallowing
• 22:06
  for a minute, but it was also like, really, do you really need
• 22:09
  that stuff? I mean, again, I plan on
• 22:12
  actually buying that stuff again.
• 22:14
  I'm not going to lie, because I do have an ego, but I'll buy it.
• 22:17
  I do, I definitely do, but I'll buy it for the right reasons.
• 22:19
  You know, it's more of a comeback story.
• 22:22
  My plan is to go out and buy the Rolls Royce that I ended up
• 22:24
  selling that I didn't want to, feeling good about driving it,
• 22:27
  not feeling like, you know, I don't even deserve this.
• 22:30
  So. I'm curious how did this when,
• 22:33
  when you got into the poker stuff and everything else you
• 22:36
  get into your 20s, how does this ramp into a or does it or do you
• 22:42
  or what are you thinking when you're at that age?
• 22:45
  Are you thinking I can scale up, hustle myself into a a betting
• 22:53
  bazaar as big as a nation? Or are you thinking I am going
• 22:57
  into trading or what? What's in your mind?
• 23:00
  Yeah, it's funny, I never envisioned sitting here today,
• 23:05
  but I also did, meaning having the business to where it was.
• 23:08
  So like anything I've ever initiated in life since I was
• 23:12
  probably, I don't know, 12. Ever since that kind of a
• 23:16
  traumatic experience, I've always known that I could be #1
• 23:20
  So I've always had the mindset of I can out work people.
• 23:24
  I can outsell for sure. And there's no reason that I
• 23:28
  can't be better than the next person or all of them.
• 23:31
  And I think that's a mindset thing.
• 23:34
  David Goggins didn't go out and run Iron Man marathons and
• 23:37
  back-to-back do all these crazy things because he was at one
• 23:41
  point, he was really fat and lazy.
• 23:43
  I mean, so it's, it's all here. And once we realize that no
• 23:47
  matter what we're dealing with in life, I feel like you can
• 23:50
  really accomplish. I know it sounds cliche, but you
• 23:52
  really can do whatever you want. And Michael Phelps was the best
• 23:56
  swimmer, right? And it wasn't.
• 23:58
  Of course he's athletic. Of course he's a beast, and of
• 24:00
  course he's got the body and all those things.
• 24:02
  But you still have to have the mindset to to be #1 in the world
• 24:06
  and to be an Olympic athlete. You know, I use those examples
• 24:10
  because you or I could have been that swimmer.
• 24:13
  We just don't know it. We never probably put the effort
• 24:16
  or the time or, you know, and of course some some things you
• 24:19
  can't do because you genetically you don't have the same
• 24:21
  abilities. But really for the most part, we
• 24:24
  can do almost anything we want. We're not 7 feet tall.
• 24:27
  We're not going to be centers in the NBA, but we could have been
• 24:30
  a point guard. I mean, there's a lot of things
• 24:31
  you could do. But back to myself, when I was
• 24:35
  really about 1819, I worked at the racetrack in Los Alamitos
• 24:40
  for a little while selling programs, hustling.
• 24:42
  So the gambling my grandparents were we, they're fairly not
• 24:46
  wealthy, but well off. So when we go to their house
• 24:49
  that have beautiful home and we would play Yahtzee for money and
• 24:53
  as a family. I mean, I was six years old
• 24:55
  doing that. And I mean small money, dollars
• 24:58
  or whatever, but my grandparents really instilled gambling in us,
• 25:02
  not on purpose, more as a fun just.
• 25:04
  More of a game. Yes, but it brought us together,
• 25:08
  which is kind of my message about gambling, which I'll get
• 25:10
  into later. You know, gambling is not all
• 25:12
  taboo and it's not all great. It's, there's, you know, if you
• 25:15
  can bring people together and entertain and have fun and it's
• 25:19
  not out of control And there's, you don't have an addictive
• 25:21
  personality and, you know, go off the deep end.
• 25:23
  There's nothing wrong with gambling.
• 25:24
  It's great. Of course, the other side of
• 25:26
  that is ugly. But in my situation, gambling
• 25:30
  with the family, I, it was just brought us together and it was,
• 25:34
  it wasn't the amount of money, it was just the experience.
• 25:38
  So what happened to me is I started getting addicted to the,
• 25:40
  what I said earlier, the quick buck.
• 25:43
  And so I'd go to the racetrack and start gambling, you know,
• 25:46
  two $300.00, which back then at 16 was huge.
• 25:49
  And, you know, I'd have a score. I'd make 1000 bucks, which to me
• 25:52
  was gigantic. And then I'd go lose, you know,
• 25:55
  $300.00 eight more times. And I realized, shit, I'm now
• 25:58
  I'm running out of money. But that addiction of winning,
• 26:02
  that thousand, I was always superseding.
• 26:04
  Really. Happened.
• 26:05
  Yeah. The dopamine was just too much
• 26:07
  for me. So clearly in my family, the
• 26:09
  addicted gene is there strongly. My little brother is in jail
• 26:13
  right now. Heroin addict, he's over, you
• 26:16
  know, been dealing with drugs since he was 16.
• 26:18
  I think partially due to the trauma, again, back when he was
• 26:21
  8, what I was going through, obviously I have an addiction to
• 26:25
  gambling. My dad did the alcohol.
• 26:28
  So you know that that could be an easy perception of just
• 26:31
  saying I'm a victim. That's not what I mean by that.
• 26:34
  What I mean is that you have to overcome a little bit more of
• 26:38
  situational awareness. But anyway, back to when I was
• 26:41
  younger, I didn't really develop my business in sports betting to
• 26:46
  a level of any competency until I was about 21.
• 26:49
  And the reason for that was I had never had any real money to
• 26:53
  take any bets like real money. So I was always taking bets from
• 26:56
  friends and guys at school or whatever.
• 26:59
  But it was just because it was kind of feeding my addiction and
• 27:01
  you know, I make a few extra dollars.
• 27:03
  But right around, well, let me go backwards.
• 27:06
  At 18, I got kicked out of my house, as I explained to you,
• 27:09
  for selling weed. My first wife, who I'm now
• 27:13
  divorced with, who is a great friend of mine.
• 27:15
  We raised 3 kids together. We were in a relationship since
• 27:19
  we were 15 and 18. We moved in an apartment
• 27:22
  together and barely were, you know, this really crappy
• 27:26
  apartment in Huntington Beach, very cheap.
• 27:28
  And I worked at 2 jobs. I worked at the airport stocking
• 27:31
  the gift shops from 6:00 to 2:00.
• 27:34
  And then from 2:30 I work till 10:00 PM at Mossimo Clothing
• 27:37
  Company who ended up actually had a prison sentence.
• 27:41
  Who had that sense? Ironically, Justin hired him.
• 27:45
  I mean he hired Justin. And Long story short, I was
• 27:49
  working these crazy hours for minimum wage and I just knew
• 27:52
  that wasn't my future. And more importantly, I just
• 27:55
  knew that wasn't my life. So I would say we're about 6
• 27:59
  months into that and I think our lease was running up and I told
• 28:03
  my girlfriend ended up being my wife.
• 28:06
  You know, I think we should end the relationship.
• 28:08
  I'm just going nowhere. And I was kind of we're
• 28:10
  saturated. And then she got pregnant as she
• 28:13
  told. Yeah.
• 28:14
  So now I was like, OK, we got a. Problem 19 years old.
• 28:18
  Yeah, well, we weren't even 19 yet.
• 28:19
  I was still. 18 years old. And I was like, I'm a child.
• 28:22
  I can't even figure out my own life and now I'm going to bring
• 28:24
  a child in the world. And so I decided to, of course,
• 28:28
  back then the right thing to do and especially then was raise
• 28:32
  the baby, get married, etcetera. So we moved into my mom who lost
• 28:37
  our home, mobile Home Park, believe it or not, It was very
• 28:41
  demoralizing to watch your mom lose her home and then end up in
• 28:44
  a mobile Home Park, which, you know, we were the type of family
• 28:47
  that, you know, to be honest, look down on that.
• 28:50
  I mean, we were, you know, judgmental to be to be real.
• 28:54
  You know, you look at Eminem and you think like white trash,
• 28:56
  right. So in my mind now we were deemed
• 29:00
  in to be white trash. You know, it's just the
• 29:02
  association I had with it doesn't mean you are, you can
• 29:05
  live anywhere. But at that time in my mind,
• 29:07
  that was what my mind frame was. So we moved into a mobile Home
• 29:12
  Park. It's a double wide trailer in
• 29:14
  Dana Point, CA where my mom and my little brother had bedrooms
• 29:18
  and we didn't have one because it was 2 bedroom.
• 29:20
  So we were sleeping on the couch.
• 29:22
  So I quit my jobs and I said, you know, I got to get a real
• 29:25
  job. Well, I couldn't find one
• 29:27
  because I was 18, No experience, no college education and really
• 29:33
  had nothing other than a hustle to me.
• 29:35
  So there was a local restaurant opening called Chevy's, the
• 29:39
  Mexican restaurant, which was a big chain, right?
• 29:41
  For a while. I think they're all out of
• 29:42
  business. And so I went to the restaurant.
• 29:45
  It was a brand new community, Dana Point, their opening, It
• 29:47
  was beautiful. And I, I realized that at 18, a
• 29:50
  waiter, you know, the income is good for an 18 year old kid as a
• 29:53
  waiter, it's not great for the long term, but it, you know, it
• 29:57
  pays bills, right? So I was like, I'm just going to
• 30:00
  get a job here. So I go in there, I get
• 30:02
  interviewed and they're like, you have no experience.
• 30:04
  We'll hire you as a busboy. And I said a busboy.
• 30:06
  I was like, you know, I need a job.
• 30:08
  I had to get one. So OK, so here I am serving
• 30:12
  chips and salsa. And about two months into the
• 30:16
  the job, patrons were coming in, customers were coming in, and
• 30:19
  they're asking to sit in my section.
• 30:21
  Well, I didn't have a section. I was a busboy.
• 30:23
  So the GM was realizing real quickly that I was out shining
• 30:28
  the waitress or waiters and waitresses because I was
• 30:31
  actually getting a tip more than they were, you know, and it's
• 30:34
  hard to really get tips as a busboy.
• 30:35
  Your chips also water. But I would win people over with
• 30:39
  my personality, having conversations, picking up where
• 30:42
  the waiters or waitresses would screw up, you know, fixing
• 30:46
  problems, whatever. And I knew that in this area,
• 30:50
  Dana Point was kind of Laguna Niguel.
• 30:53
  Dana Point. There's a lot of money in that
• 30:55
  area. So I, I just saw people coming
• 30:56
  in that had nice watches and you can just feel the atmosphere of
• 31:00
  money. And especially when I was 18.
• 31:03
  So I kept getting these customers asking to come in my
• 31:06
  section, so to speak. And I just built relationships.
• 31:09
  So they were about to promote me to waiter and I got a job offer
• 31:13
  from one of the customers and it was a couple.
• 31:15
  They were about, well let's see, they were 28 years old.
• 31:18
  And he was very successful. I could tell he had a British
• 31:21
  accent. He was Indian and well spoken.
• 31:25
  And he said to me, his wife actually is when he said why
• 31:27
  don't you come down to our company and we'd like to have an
• 31:30
  interview. So of course I went to Marshalls
• 31:32
  and bought a cheap suit and tie or not suit but shirt and tie.
• 31:36
  And I went down to this company in Irvine, CA and as I walked
• 31:40
  in, there was Ferraris and Lamborghinis and Mercedes and
• 31:44
  all these cars that I could ever dream of and I just did.
• 31:46
  I had no idea what the heck it was.
• 31:48
  So I walk in there, it's very professional, everyone's got
• 31:51
  suits and just had the vibe in the atmosphere of Wolf of Wall
• 31:55
  Street. And anyway, I sit in these three
• 31:59
  interviews, I literally had three of them took over 3 weeks
• 32:02
  and this guy just lit me up like a Christmas tree.
• 32:05
  I mean, he dissembled me every which way you could for an 18
• 32:08
  year old kid. Why didn't you go to college?
• 32:11
  You're, you're having a baby. You have no future.
• 32:14
  Where's your work ethic? You know, just belittled me.
• 32:16
  And finally, after the third interview, I said to him, I
• 32:18
  said, you know, why am I even here?
• 32:21
  You, you pretty much have attacked me every which way.
• 32:24
  I, I don't understand really the value of you having me in your
• 32:27
  mind. Let me tell you something about
• 32:28
  me. There's no person in this
• 32:30
  company is going to work harder than me.
• 32:32
  At the end of the day, you should want somebody like me.
• 32:34
  I'm grit, I'm everything that you need.
• 32:37
  And when he when I fought back, he he hired me instantly and he
• 32:41
  realized that, you know, I was willing to put in the grind.
• 32:44
  So. It's a good.
• 32:45
  Interview Ted It was great it was it was awesome I I thought I
• 32:50
  was actually saying say la vie because I just couldn't take it
• 32:54
  anymore and I was like, you know, because I I took it I took
• 32:56
  it but the point of the story is when he hired me I had no idea
• 33:01
  that the job was a mailroom job is $1200 a month, which is
• 33:04
  actually big to me at the time and it was 60 hours a week and
• 33:09
  you worked in the mailroom and then you worked directly for the
• 33:13
  the owner his name was Mickey Dillon.
• 33:14
  He's in my book and he became my mentor.
• 33:17
  And the reason why I didn't know the, the value of the asset of
• 33:21
  this job was because I thought I was just going to be mailing
• 33:24
  stuff out of a mailroom. But the, the personal assistant
• 33:28
  basically of being the CEOs, you know, position was so valuable
• 33:33
  to this day. And what I learned was
• 33:36
  everything. I mean, I learned so much,
• 33:38
  right? And so I took this job so
• 33:40
  serious, which I have all my jobs.
• 33:42
  And what happened was when you back then, there was no Internet
• 33:46
  and it was a commodity brokerage firm.
• 33:49
  So I didn't even know what crude oil or pork bellies were other
• 33:52
  than watching the movie Trading Places with Eddie Murphy, right?
• 33:56
  And so it's a great movie, right?
• 33:58
  And it's exciting because what is commodity trading?
• 34:03
  It's legalized gambling. That's all it is.
• 34:05
  You know, I mean, let's be real. Put your money in the market and
• 34:07
  watch it ride. Yeah.
• 34:09
  And it's in a market where most people lose, but the ones who
• 34:12
  win make a lot. It's a really high risk, high
• 34:14
  reward. And so I was very intrigued.
• 34:17
  Not to mention the cars and the young guys that were just making
• 34:20
  so much money. The average age there was
• 34:22
  probably 30 years old and these guys were making money.
• 34:25
  Most of them were, you know, hookers and blow and partying
• 34:29
  and just Newport Beach kids just making so much money.
• 34:33
  And that intrigued me to a degree.
• 34:34
  But I was having a baby, you know, I was committed to my
• 34:37
  ex-wife and you know, I just wanted to make money.
• 34:39
  I never did drugs. I was never into that.
• 34:41
  But Long story short, after working there for about 6
• 34:45
  months, what I realized was I was the first contact from every
• 34:50
  new possible account, every new lead, they would call our
• 34:54
  company, they would immediately be transferred.
• 34:57
  I would kind of ask a few questions, transfer them to a
• 35:00
  broker of the day. And that broker of the day,
• 35:02
  based on their sales, who how was best and who wasn't would
• 35:05
  get certain amount of leads. And back then we had headsets
• 35:08
  and we would transfer the call and I would stay on the call and
• 35:11
  hit mute and I would just sponge the sales training.
• 35:14
  So I knew exactly because I could always sell, I knew that,
• 35:19
  you know, even the errors these guys were making, or more
• 35:21
  importantly, just learning what to say and what not to say,
• 35:24
  tonality, everything. And that training was the best
• 35:28
  thing that ever happened. Nobody knew I was doing it.
• 35:30
  They didn't know I was on the call.
• 35:31
  I was supposed to hang up, but as long as there was no new
• 35:34
  calls coming in, no valuable more experience than that.
• 35:38
  So Fast forward maybe another two months go by and I started,
• 35:41
  I studied for the Series 3 exam on my own, grabbed some copies
• 35:44
  of the books around the the office.
• 35:46
  And even though I had no college experience, I wasn't really a
• 35:49
  big test taker. So I went to the owner and said
• 35:53
  I want to take the exam. And he's like, what are you
• 35:55
  talking about? And I said, well, I'm prepared.
• 35:59
  Yeah. He says, well, you're not even
• 36:00
  an assistant broker. We don't offer exams to, you
• 36:03
  know, unless you're an assistant broker actually doing the
• 36:05
  day-to-day job. And I said, well, here I hand
• 36:08
  him a stack of flash cards. I said, well, ask me any
• 36:10
  question on the exam. And he looked at, he asked me
• 36:13
  like 4 or five questions and of course I nailed him.
• 36:15
  And he said, wow, you really been studying?
• 36:19
  I said, I'll, I'll take it. And he goes, well, it's $450 for
• 36:22
  us to pay for the exam. We have to sponsor you.
• 36:25
  I don't want to do that. And I said, well, how about
• 36:28
  this? You could fire me if I don't, if
• 36:30
  I don't pass. And then he knew how serious I
• 36:32
  was. And he said, you're wanting to
• 36:34
  risk your job. And I said, you're damn right I
• 36:37
  am. I'm not going to sit here
• 36:39
  mailing this out the rest of my life.
• 36:41
  And he said, OK, so I went, took the exam, I got a 84 and a 73.
• 36:46
  You have to get a 70 on both parts.
• 36:48
  They're barely past one part. And I was one of the best days
• 36:51
  of my life. I I'm 18 years old, I'm driving
• 36:53
  back on this piece of crap car I spent for $400.00.
• 36:56
  The holes in the bottom of it, you know, I have this cheap
• 36:58
  Marshalls outfit. I've been grinding.
• 37:01
  I have a baby coming. And I went to the office with
• 37:04
  the best smile. And I said, here you go.
• 37:07
  And he said, all right, I'm going to replace you in the mail
• 37:09
  room. I'm going to give you an
• 37:09
  opportunity. So I had to train a guy who came
• 37:12
  in, trained him. And then eventually because of
• 37:15
  all the things I did, he had me work for the top broker, which
• 37:19
  was fantastic because we were, he was already kind of #1 most
• 37:22
  of the time, but we were #1 every month or we, we never
• 37:24
  looked back. And that process was even better
• 37:27
  because I started out working everybody in the office even
• 37:30
  more to the point where I, I knew that I had to get on my
• 37:34
  own. So I did everything I possibly
• 37:36
  could. And then at 20 I got my
• 37:40
  launching to be my own broker and work for myself.
• 37:44
  And then at 21 I was making close to $1,000,000 a year and I
• 37:47
  bought my house back off my ironically this is a crazy
• 37:51
  story. It's all in my book.
• 37:52
  The home I grew up in went for sale that my parents lost and I
• 37:56
  purchased it for 540,000 and I moved into this home at 21
• 38:00
  buying the home that I grew up in.
• 38:02
  Wow, that is a great story. Yeah, to be able to do that.
• 38:06
  It was wild. I moved my daughter in there
• 38:08
  with, you know, she was now like almost two, 2 1/2 with my
• 38:11
  ex-wife and we were in this big house.
• 38:14
  I mean, you know, big to us. Yeah.
• 38:16
  And I just, I never forget it. And then I had a Mercedes and
• 38:20
  you know, I was making literally like 7-8 hundred $1000 a year,
• 38:22
  21 years old. And I also started, that's when
• 38:25
  my sports betting started, kind of because now I'm here.
• 38:28
  You got some extra money. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:31
  And then check this out. I mean, think about this.
• 38:33
  I have a company where kids, I call them kids because I was a
• 38:37
  kid. We're making ridiculous amounts
• 38:40
  of money and spending it, as you can imagine, on the dumbest
• 38:43
  things, one being gambling. So I took advantage of that.
• 38:47
  I said, you know what? I'm the, I'm the bookie here, so
• 38:50
  bring it on. And so I started making tons of
• 38:53
  money taking sports bets. And that's when I realized right
• 38:56
  around, I'm going to say Y2K ish area because the Internet became
• 39:02
  bigger. That's when I really scaled my
• 39:04
  business because I realized I can only handle so many phone
• 39:06
  calls, you know, through a just a regular cell phone and taking
• 39:10
  bets during halftimes and everything else.
• 39:13
  And when the Internet came, I exploded.
• 39:15
  I went to Costa Rica. I was one of the forefront
• 39:17
  bookmakers that did that. They had these websites that
• 39:21
  they created. I created my website and I, I
• 39:24
  was able to scale my business and that that's when basically I
• 39:28
  would say for the next year or two, I went from like literally
• 39:33
  maybe 50 customers to 3 to 400. And those numbers were big
• 39:38
  because I was taking big bets, you know, you know, back then,
• 39:41
  five $10,000 bets were huge. And so I was taking those kind
• 39:45
  of bets And so I started making a ton of money in the sports
• 39:49
  betting world and I loved it. I mean, for me, a guy who
• 39:53
  gambles and loves sports, you can't really mix anything better
• 39:57
  than. That Oh yeah, it's like it's,
• 39:58
  it's like the alcoholic owned in the bar.
• 40:01
  So Matt, did you think at that time, because it got big and you
• 40:07
  scaled it and you were handling it, did you think, oh wow, maybe
• 40:11
  that this is a, this is a risk? That I'll only do it for a
• 40:14
  little bit. Or was it this is just I'm in
• 40:16
  the moment, I'm taking it, I'm I'm running with it.
• 40:19
  I don't care because I'm I'm loving what I'm doing.
• 40:23
  Yeah, it's a great question. When I think back to that time,
• 40:25
  I never associated sports betting and being a bookie as
• 40:30
  the law of trouble because I didn't harm people, I didn't
• 40:34
  threaten people and I was paying a lot of taxes.
• 40:38
  Not really all on my, you know, sports betting stuff with so
• 40:41
  much on the regular income. And I viewed it as a hobby, even
• 40:47
  though it became a business. And because I wasn't involved in
• 40:51
  the Mafia and, you know, back then, that's when the MOP
• 40:53
  controlled a lot of that. Not in California, of course,
• 40:56
  but and I never, yeah, it's more of an East Coast thing.
• 40:59
  And I never viewed my business getting to be as big as it did.
• 41:03
  So I, you know, gradually things just really exploded.
• 41:08
  And then I realized, man, I have a pretty good business here.
• 41:13
  And then what happened was I got jaded.
• 41:15
  I got jaded in a sense of I didn't even want to wear a suit
• 41:18
  and tie and come to work anymore because it, it was actually hard
• 41:21
  work. And I found the sports betting
• 41:23
  business, which was hard work, but it was enjoyable.
• 41:27
  Yeah. As you know, you do something
• 41:29
  you love, it's not really work anymore.
• 41:31
  So that competition between those two, you know, businesses
• 41:35
  was difficult. And also, to be honest with you,
• 41:38
  this is going to sound crazy to you, but it's what I say in my
• 41:41
  book. Morally, I actually felt 100
• 41:45
  times better taking sports bets than I did trading commodities.
• 41:49
  It was really rough for me that the commodity business was
• 41:52
  morally, in my opinion, absolutely terrible.
• 41:56
  We were calling old people who were all across the country who
• 42:00
  were trying to persuade them to give us our their retirement
• 42:03
  money, knowing that 90% of people lose.
• 42:06
  And there was like, I mean, if you want to be a top sales guy,
• 42:10
  you're going to have to grind and, and do things that are
• 42:13
  morally not the the best. And you know, you call a farmer
• 42:17
  in Iowa and he's got $1,000,000 to his name and you're trying to
• 42:20
  gear up 500,000 of it knowing that he's probably going to lose
• 42:23
  most of it. I don't care who you are, that's
• 42:25
  got to sit with you morally. And it didn't for me at first
• 42:28
  and then it wore on me over time.
• 42:30
  I didn't really understand what I was doing the first two years.
• 42:33
  I just was working and being a salesman.
• 42:35
  I, I understood that sounds of a little victimish, but I meant
• 42:39
  like, I didn't really understand the true power or morally what I
• 42:44
  was doing that I felt to be really wrong until later.
• 42:47
  But because it was legal and because, you know, everybody
• 42:50
  kind of, you know, they had all these disclosures and, you know,
• 42:54
  I felt like, Hey, it's, it's OK. But over time, I really look
• 42:58
  back and I was disgusted with that business.
• 43:01
  And it was good to me financially, but bad to me
• 43:03
  mentally. And I chose to do it, though I
• 43:06
  was greedy and I chose to keep doing it.
• 43:08
  I even chose to open my own brokerage firm at 28 years old.
• 43:11
  And I had a company for about two years, but I walked away
• 43:14
  from all of it at about 30 because I hated it.
• 43:18
  And I also knew that I had this really conglomerate business
• 43:22
  that was, you know, not only paying for every part of my
• 43:26
  lifestyle, but providing me amazing income and lifestyle.
• 43:30
  Yeah. So were you at that time Matt,
• 43:35
  by creating this huge company off to the side, were you also
• 43:42
  partaking and gambling and was that getting if you were, was
• 43:45
  that getting bigger and bigger? Yeah, actually something I talk
• 43:50
  about in my book a lot, which is getting high on your own supply.
• 43:53
  And that was that was me. My appetite for gambling
• 43:58
  increased as I made more money to the point where if I was
• 44:01
  still a bookmaker today, I would be betting.
• 44:04
  As an example, in 2023, I was raided by the feds in October,
• 44:09
  But in February of 2023, I've got $4.6 million on the Kansas
• 44:13
  City Chiefs to win the Super Bowl, which is the largest bet
• 44:17
  I've ever made in my life. And in 2024, if I wasn't raided
• 44:22
  by the FBI, I'm very confident I would have bet even more because
• 44:28
  it's just my appetite got bigger and bigger.
• 44:30
  Yeah, yeah. The gambling addiction for me,
• 44:35
  the the less I bet, the less it meant to me and the less it
• 44:38
  excited me. It almost made you had to feel
• 44:40
  it more, and the only way to feel it more was to bet more.
• 44:43
  Yeah, you know, you have a. The addiction is so sick that if
• 44:48
  I bet 2 million, I felt like I lost 3,000,000 by not betting 5.
• 44:51
  And even if I won and then if I lost it was like, oh OK, well
• 44:55
  I'm pissed I lost 2,000,000 let me go try to win the 2,000,000
• 44:57
  back. So either way, you're losing,
• 44:59
  you know, mentally, at least for me, I'm talking about myself.
• 45:03
  I'm. And I'm curious too, Matt, like
• 45:05
  when you're growing a company, because I had a company that
• 45:07
  was, you know, we were national, 25 States and we had other
• 45:11
  things we were doing a couple of other companies, but this thing
• 45:15
  scaled to a pretty good size. Did you have issues with people
• 45:19
  that you know, would bet and you had to fall?
• 45:22
  What do you do with someone who's betting with you who you
• 45:27
  don't have all the leverage because it's not legal.
• 45:30
  So what's what's your leverage with them?
• 45:33
  My leverage was I was very aggressive.
• 45:36
  Without being aggressive, I would make them uncomfortable.
• 45:41
  Younger parts of my life, I, I, my ego was involved more.
• 45:44
  I would go to their house, knock on their door, make them
• 45:47
  uncomfortable, kind of, you know, I'm a bigger guy, so I
• 45:50
  would represent tattoos and things like that.
• 45:52
  So I think my ego was like, oh, you know, I'm going to make you
• 45:55
  feel intimidated. I never hurt people or put my
• 45:58
  hands on people. But that part of my life I wish
• 46:01
  I could redo because going back to that, you know, it's not
• 46:05
  something I'm proud of, but especially for my kids to hear.
• 46:09
  But. Well, and I'm sure as you got
• 46:10
  bigger and your bets got bigger, you get more sophisticated
• 46:13
  people. I mean, you're running with a
• 46:14
  crowd that can bet that money, too.
• 46:17
  Yeah. And then of course you're taking
• 46:18
  advantage of more because you're able to give more credit.
• 46:20
  And but I learned later in my life that if I extend too much
• 46:26
  credit, it's really my error. It's my error judgement.
• 46:29
  I, I, I learned to turn it to, as opposed to blaming them, I'm
• 46:34
  blaming myself because I also had a gambling problem.
• 46:37
  So like you have to understand the person's, you know,
• 46:40
  addiction and I, I truly didn't feel good about.
• 46:43
  That's the moral part of being a bookmaker.
• 46:45
  I hate it. And I don't care if you're doing
• 46:47
  it legally or illegally, It's still happening, which we will
• 46:50
  talk about because that's a whole another part of the, the
• 46:53
  world's problem right now that people aren't discussing.
• 46:57
  But the, the reality was, is I definitely was, you know,
• 47:01
  chasing money and always constantly dealing with liars
• 47:05
  and which I was, you know, a gambler.
• 47:07
  I understood all that. So I think that helped me
• 47:09
  though, because I knew exactly what they felt like and what
• 47:12
  they're going through. And, you know, I, I really
• 47:15
  learned to blame myself when someone didn't pay me, which
• 47:19
  happened all the time. I mean, I'm sitting, you know,
• 47:21
  but I was really good at kind of working things out with with
• 47:24
  players and having a relationship because that's
• 47:27
  really at the end of the day, why my business became what it
• 47:29
  was is I built a really good relationship with the clients to
• 47:33
  where even if they didn't have the money, just talk to me.
• 47:36
  Let's communicate. I'll even let you still gamble
• 47:38
  if you're making payments and working things out.
• 47:41
  And I think other bookmakers just draw the line and cut them
• 47:43
  off and like kind of are cold. And you kind of understood them.
• 47:47
  I mean, you understood the other side of the fence.
• 47:49
  There's been many times, Brent, where I couldn't pay my debt
• 47:52
  with a with a bookmaker, with casinos, with, with life with,
• 47:57
  you know, even right now, I owe the IRS $9 million between state
• 48:02
  and federal. So who am I to throw stones at
• 48:07
  glass houses right? Of, of these guys or, or even
• 48:10
  women that can't pay their tab or, or went over their head or
• 48:13
  had an addiction that led them down to making bad decisions.
• 48:17
  I mean, I'm guilty of it, so I can't be over here judging these
• 48:21
  people, right? Well, and your and your world,
• 48:24
  you know, continued to step into all the good stuff.
• 48:29
  You know, you, you, you were making money.
• 48:34
  Obviously you had the gambling of your own on the side, but you
• 48:37
  know, you had the celebrity culture, you had the material
• 48:40
  things you had flying around and just so your world got big and
• 48:46
  in a way that most people don't experience.
• 48:50
  And did you feel like it was fleeting or that it was growing?
• 48:55
  You know, I don't want to glorify the lifestyle too much
• 48:59
  because it was, you know, I can't lie, it was incredible.
• 49:03
  But the ways I had to go to get that were the problem, right?
• 49:06
  That's why I'm sitting here today dealing with the
• 49:08
  consequences, which I struggle with explaining to people
• 49:11
  because, you know, I don't want to.
• 49:13
  I don't want to lie and say that I didn't enjoy flying on private
• 49:16
  jets and gambling. I did.
• 49:19
  But you know, the means I took to get there are the things I
• 49:23
  should have changed, right? Like I have the talent.
• 49:27
  And I actually want to tell you a story.
• 49:29
  I had a probably four years ago with my wife had a conversation.
• 49:33
  I said, you know, I feel like a failure.
• 49:34
  And she's like, what do you mean by that?
• 49:37
  And I was like, you know, we have a lot of money.
• 49:39
  We have all the cars, we have all the trips, we have all the
• 49:42
  houses, whatever diamond ring, you know, you have all, we have
• 49:45
  all, everything we could want materially.
• 49:47
  I said, but there's something empty inside me and, and I
• 49:51
  didn't know what it was, but I do now.
• 49:53
  It's I chose something illegal in the fast, easy, quick buck
• 49:58
  and and there's a lot of benefits to what I did and why I
• 50:01
  did it. But the moral inside emptiness
• 50:05
  was not going and running. Why couldn't I just be ACEO of
• 50:09
  some conglomerate business that's legal and.
• 50:13
  You're smart enough. 100% and and worker work harder or figure
• 50:18
  it out. Show my kids that, you know,
• 50:20
  even though I'm going to teach them a lot from this moment, I,
• 50:23
  I didn't have to go through this to teach them that I could have
• 50:25
  did it, you know, legally and I could have actually made more
• 50:28
  money. I mean, there's no reason I
• 50:29
  couldn't have made a billion dollars or been a billionaire.
• 50:32
  So, and I know that so I do feel at moments that I've failed many
• 50:37
  times in my life, but at the same time, I can't go backwards
• 50:41
  and all I could do is recalibrate, which is why I call
• 50:44
  my book that which I've had to do many times in my life.
• 50:47
  And recalibrating now at 50 is a little harder than at 20 or 30,
• 50:51
  let's be real. But at the same time, that's an
• 50:55
  excuse that there's no reason I can't make a a billion bucks
• 50:59
  between now and 65 or between now and 60 Even so.
• 51:02
  And I plan on doing that. I, I swear to you, I plan on
• 51:06
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• 51:07
  And I, and I think that's a good place.
• 51:09
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• 51:11
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• 51:16
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  prisonist.org. prisonist.org. So Matt, you know the this, you
• 52:43
  know, always when we're at this point, the show is people make
• 52:47
  it to this, this peak. And I think it's interesting
• 52:51
  that you, you almost had a feeling of an emptiness when you
• 52:55
  were at that peak, which is kind of fascinating in itself because
• 53:02
  you were, you were at a, at a peak there where everybody who's
• 53:05
  never had that thinks, well, how could that be?
• 53:08
  And, and what you find when you make a lot of money And, and
• 53:13
  this is an opinion, but I think what you find when you make a
• 53:16
  lot of money is you just don't worry about money anymore.
• 53:20
  You have all the other things. You know your kids and you know
• 53:23
  who's being mean to them at school and are they going to get
• 53:26
  to be able to be on that team or whatever.
• 53:28
  And it's nothing to do with money.
• 53:29
  You just don't worry about money anymore.
• 53:31
  That, that, that, that part of your life is something you don't
• 53:34
  worry about. It's the other part of things
• 53:36
  that come in. But when you get into this, this
• 53:42
  situation where you've gotten big, you get into a a world now
• 53:49
  where now you're dealing with people that, you know, in our
• 53:54
  situation, we're talking about a big sports story with the
• 53:59
  biggest guy that's in baseball. I mean, Showtime is the biggest,
• 54:04
  you know, he's, there's nobody, he's from Japan and doesn't hit
• 54:08
  or pitcher. And then there's this
• 54:10
  interpreter guy that's got a gambling problem and, and you
• 54:13
  meet him and he, he, there's a connection.
• 54:16
  Of course he likes you, all the people.
• 54:20
  When that all started happening, did you think that there was
• 54:24
  anything that was going to happen that you could get pulled
• 54:28
  into a bad situation, or did it just feel like a normal
• 54:31
  transaction you were having with everybody else?
• 54:34
  You know when you have the eyes of when I first saw a wire
• 54:38
  transfer from the name of Shohei Otani?
• 54:40
  Yeah, I knew. That would get your attention.
• 54:42
  Yeah, I knew that was really bad and really good.
• 54:46
  Good, because I was egotistically hungry for money
• 54:49
  and financial financially, I knew that there would probably
• 54:53
  be no lack of concern of you getting paid.
• 54:56
  But bad as far as eyes on me, you know, continue to worry
• 55:02
  about, Oh my gosh, this is the biggest athlete in the world,
• 55:05
  especially now. But I will tell you one of my
• 55:08
  mistakes was misreading. When the FBI raided me in 2014,
• 55:12
  which was nine years before I got raided again recently, they
• 55:16
  came into my home and so I've been raided twice.
• 55:20
  When they came in, they came in and was 14 of them, they grabbed
• 55:25
  the money and I signed an abandonment form.
• 55:29
  I think they valued me at that time, in my opinion, to be a
• 55:35
  bookmaker, but not harming the community and paying taxes
• 55:38
  because I was to be not a, you know, worthwhile.
• 55:44
  Yeah. So they took the money.
• 55:46
  I signed the forms over. I was honest with them.
• 55:48
  I said, what do I do? I'm probably going to go right
• 55:51
  to Verizon, get a phone and kind of started up again, so to
• 55:55
  speak. And that's exactly what I did.
• 55:57
  So nine years went by before they came again, right?
• 56:00
  And so I kind of thought I had to get out of jail free card
• 56:05
  because I wasn't harming people, because I wasn't threatening and
• 56:07
  because I did pay a lot in taxes, not the proper amount,
• 56:10
  obviously. But that would give you a false
• 56:13
  sense of security. Yeah, it did.
• 56:15
  That would give you the feeling, well, if I do get into a
• 56:18
  situation, my last situation wasn't that bad.
• 56:22
  Right, and that, that was my thinking, which was wrong, but
• 56:26
  not to make excuses, but I, I definitely felt like, OK, I can
• 56:31
  continue my business. And, and actually it got bigger
• 56:33
  and bigger and bigger, clearly as I got more celebrities and
• 56:36
  professionals and, you know, even a couple, you know, actors.
• 56:40
  And that part of my life was like, OK, it's it's hard to even
• 56:45
  turn away the money and also turn away the eyes because I'm
• 56:50
  already so big and I have so many of these famous people,
• 56:53
  etcetera, betting with me. And frankly, my ego thrived on
• 56:57
  it. Like I'm sure I am playing golf
• 56:59
  with Charles Barkley and Travis Kelce and you know, I I played
• 57:03
  golf with Jim McMahon and Sean Payton and Golden Tate and you
• 57:07
  know, Adam Thielen. I can go on and on.
• 57:09
  And I've been bumping elbows with Dana White tables in Vegas.
• 57:13
  I mean like. Were you able to fix Charles
• 57:16
  Barkley's swing? You know, mine's went.
• 57:18
  Through AK and E, he went through everybody.
• 57:21
  He actually stopped the hitch when I was playing with him, but
• 57:24
  in truth, mine's pretty bad so I couldn't make fun of him too
• 57:26
  much. I'm better than he is, but that
• 57:28
  doesn't say much. But he's a great guy.
• 57:31
  We had a great time, you know, in the course and even gambling
• 57:34
  afterwards. He fires it up pretty big in the
• 57:36
  casinos and you know, I sick. Sadly, my addiction is worse
• 57:40
  than his. SO I was betting more than he
• 57:43
  was, which is funny because they they all kind of were slightly
• 57:46
  enamored by me because here I was, especially when I was even
• 57:49
  younger, I was 3035 betting huge numbers and they were just like,
• 57:54
  who is this guy and what the hell does he do, you know?
• 57:56
  But I have this aura around me of people that were successful
• 58:01
  that I would bring like a crew of my friends.
• 58:03
  So we kind of had this little entourage, but we none of us did
• 58:07
  drugs. We weren't into that.
• 58:09
  So the Vegas, OK, so anyway, you know that that part was, you
• 58:14
  know, it was tough because I I was juggling like, you know, do
• 58:18
  I tell people no? I mean, I'm not going to say no
• 58:21
  to bring it on business, but I'm also getting these possible more
• 58:26
  eyes on me clearly, which is what ended up happening.
• 58:29
  And but I also enjoyed it, you know, egotistically.
• 58:32
  So, you know, I always felt like I was fighting a couple things
• 58:36
  and with my ego as well. So when when things started, did
• 58:43
  you feel like that there was heat on you?
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  I mean, it's sometimes, sometimes people I've I've had
• 58:48
  so many different people on this show, it's by surprise and it's
• 58:54
  a knock on the door or they're rated or somebody feels like
• 58:57
  there's something going on and they feel paranoid and that
• 59:00
  something's going to happen. Did what?
• 59:02
  What was that with you, Matt? For me, it was definitely not
• 59:05
  that I I was October 5th was a morning I was walking out to my
• 59:10
  car with my son and me and my I own a jiu jitsu studio called
• 59:15
  Risk here in California. And my professor that owns the
• 59:20
  studio with me is a great friend of mine.
• 59:22
  He came over to to play with my son and we were going to take
• 59:25
  him to the park, give my wife a break.
• 59:27
  So at like 9:35 AM, we were put, I was putting my son in his car
• 59:31
  seat and my wife has AG wagon. So I had the door open and I
• 59:37
  heard FBI freeze. And truthfully, I, I didn't
• 59:40
  understand what the hell. I thought it was a joke.
• 59:42
  I thought I was like friends. And as I kind of look on the
• 59:45
  other side of the door, I had eight red dots on me with full
• 59:49
  AR rifles and the full tactical gear.
• 59:51
  And there was 29 of them with a dog, 29 agents, three women, I
• 59:55
  believe. And that's when I knew it was
• 59:58
  real because it was they were very serious.
• 1:00:00
  And then of course. They secured the premise on the
• 1:00:03
  outside 1st and then they went in to grab my wife and it just
• 1:00:07
  made me sick because I'm this poor woman just sitting there in
• 1:00:10
  the house and she thought that she was being, you know, going
• 1:00:13
  to be raped and home invasion. She wasn't sure.
• 1:00:16
  So when she found out I was FBI, she was actually happy.
• 1:00:20
  Of course she came out crying in that face.
• 1:00:22
  I'll never forget, which is all my my fault, of course.
• 1:00:25
  And you know, I can't take that away, but I was able to.
• 1:00:28
  They didn't handcuff me because I was holding my son.
• 1:00:30
  I was able to try to try to remain calm and keep him from
• 1:00:35
  realizing what is going on because he was only two at the
• 1:00:37
  time. But he's pretty sharp kid and he
• 1:00:40
  definitely could feel the tension, especially when my wife
• 1:00:42
  came out crying. So they wouldn't let me go to
• 1:00:45
  her, of course, because they're securing her.
• 1:00:47
  And then, you know, as you know, you've been through it, it's
• 1:00:49
  probably 1213 minutes later after the dog.
• 1:00:52
  And then they go through every part of your house to secure it.
• 1:00:55
  Then they bring in the next team to go find the money and
• 1:00:58
  whatever else they're looking for.
• 1:01:00
  But that was a 8 hour process. And then I knew I just felt it.
• 1:01:05
  I felt, you know, this time it's, it's not going to be so
• 1:01:08
  big. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:09
  And I, I was big. So, you know, I really probably
• 1:01:12
  ran the largest volume sports book in the world.
• 1:01:15
  I I there's a lot of bookmakers. That's what it says.
• 1:01:17
  I mean, if you look yourself up it, it talks about you being
• 1:01:20
  yeah, as far the best are the biggest that's known.
• 1:01:25
  Yeah, yeah, I, I think so. Volume wise for sure.
• 1:01:29
  I mean, think about it, I had the interpreter about $326
• 1:01:31
  million through my website. So I mean that alone is
• 1:01:36
  astronomical. Yeah.
• 1:01:38
  But I, you know, I probably only had at my peak maybe 1200
• 1:01:41
  clients. I know some people have 2000,
• 1:01:43
  but they don't take the volume. I was taking the volume the
• 1:01:46
  bigger. You had an exclusive club
• 1:01:47
  basically, correct? Exactly.
• 1:01:50
  So Matt, what's what's going through your mind?
• 1:01:54
  I mean that's, it's such a intrusion, you know, and, and
• 1:01:59
  your wife is involved, your two year old son's involved.
• 1:02:03
  What are you immediately thinking?
• 1:02:06
  You know, that's funny. You have so many thoughts.
• 1:02:09
  You know, you've been through it.
• 1:02:11
  My first thing was, wow, what's going to happen with my future?
• 1:02:14
  How am I going to recalibrate my situation immediately?
• 1:02:17
  Because I already knew. I kind of, in my mind, I was
• 1:02:19
  like, this isn't I'm not going to be able to just pick this
• 1:02:21
  back up and be a bookmaker. So I knew that my life was
• 1:02:26
  changing drastically, right? But then I started thinking
• 1:02:29
  about, you know, I have 5 kids and even though I still have
• 1:02:33
  money, I knew it was going to be taken and I knew that my
• 1:02:36
  financial situation was going to be really tough to overcome
• 1:02:40
  regardless of what happens. And so I started thinking, you
• 1:02:43
  know, what am I going to do like truly next?
• 1:02:47
  Even at that moment, which people were asking all the time,
• 1:02:49
  like really? I said, yeah, I, I, I mean,
• 1:02:52
  within minutes I was calling my attorney, obviously.
• 1:02:56
  And then my next thought pattern was, what do I do?
• 1:03:00
  I got to go to work. I got to figure this out, you
• 1:03:02
  know, which is when I started writing the book.
• 1:03:04
  I mean, within a few weeks, I was already writing a book.
• 1:03:08
  And then I hired Justin's team. And then I went right to work on
• 1:03:11
  everything from mind sheds. I mean, I did have a probably.
• 1:03:16
  A How did you find Justin, by the way?
• 1:03:17
  Because Justin's he's been on this show.
• 1:03:19
  He's a friend of both of ours. How did you find him?
• 1:03:23
  Luckily, my attorney recommended him.
• 1:03:25
  Yeah. And she said, look, he can
• 1:03:27
  really help you. And I immediately hired him.
• 1:03:29
  And then when I met him, you know, he was a great source of
• 1:03:33
  help just to get my mindset to go to work.
• 1:03:37
  I already was there. But he really helped me kind of
• 1:03:40
  calm down, you know, because they handle so many things of
• 1:03:43
  mitigation for you. And, you know, obviously, I
• 1:03:46
  don't. I've never been through a
• 1:03:47
  federal case. I've been raided but never been
• 1:03:50
  through an actual case. So I had so many questions that
• 1:03:53
  he answered and his team has been great even to this day.
• 1:03:56
  But I knew immediately right there that my mindset was my
• 1:03:59
  strongest point. My, that's what I had that most
• 1:04:03
  people don't have. So I knew that I could
• 1:04:05
  recalibrate and figure this out. I just didn't know where or how.
• 1:04:08
  But I I knew that, so I asked you.
• 1:04:11
  Did you, did you feel like at that time when you're thinking
• 1:04:15
  about this whole thing of like, what am I going to do,
• 1:04:17
  recalibrate? Were you also thinking that this
• 1:04:20
  was going to blow up into a gigantic story?
• 1:04:23
  Not to this level. No, I really did not.
• 1:04:26
  I, I didn't think that I'd have, you know, Channel 457, all of my
• 1:04:31
  house. I didn't think I'd have
• 1:04:32
  interpreters from Japan coming to my jiu jitsu studio, coming
• 1:04:36
  to my house, walking my dogs, following me with cameras.
• 1:04:40
  I didn't think that I would be on literally I'll never forget
• 1:04:43
  when my wife and I turned on the TV just randomly on March in
• 1:04:47
  March when the story broke was the show Hey part.
• 1:04:49
  I didn't think I'd turn on the TV and see my picture blasted on
• 1:04:52
  every channel, like for you know, like a good two-minute
• 1:04:56
  segment, you know, and pictures of me, my family, etcetera.
• 1:05:00
  So that part was like, holy, this is, this is real.
• 1:05:03
  And then of course, that means you start thinking that
• 1:05:06
  everywhere I go when I walk out my house, that everyone's
• 1:05:08
  watching me or paying attention or that's the guy.
• 1:05:11
  And of course the public media is really good at, you know,
• 1:05:16
  their narrative is never the best.
• 1:05:18
  And so now I look predatory. I look like a monster.
• 1:05:21
  I look like an evil person. And that part's really rough
• 1:05:25
  because, you know, even my kids go to school and they're,
• 1:05:27
  they're hearing things and getting questions and you can't
• 1:05:31
  defend yourself. And I, I was told not to say
• 1:05:33
  anything, don't even respond. And that is hard for me because
• 1:05:38
  even if my response is bad, I would rather respond, you know,
• 1:05:42
  because I'm just defensive of myself and my family.
• 1:05:45
  Well, and I think that's what I want to talk about because what
• 1:05:47
  you've done is almost talk about recalibrated it.
• 1:05:52
  It has shown a path that almost 99.9% of the people, especially
• 1:05:59
  under a federal indictment, you know, state, state indictments
• 1:06:01
  are one thing and federal indictments are another thing.
• 1:06:03
  But you have the way to the United States of America that
• 1:06:05
  comes down on you and says versus your name.
• 1:06:07
  That's a lot to just breathe in. And your immediate thing is to,
• 1:06:13
  Oh my God, what am I going to do?
• 1:06:16
  And there's a, there's this whole shock thing that happens
• 1:06:18
  at first. But what your thing was, Matt,
• 1:06:21
  that I find really it's fascinating because there it's a
• 1:06:26
  fight or flight thing and and your immediate thing was is I'm
• 1:06:31
  going to write a book. I'm going to I'm I'm fighting
• 1:06:33
  this thing out. All the media is going to have
• 1:06:36
  their narrative. We know it's not good.
• 1:06:38
  Anybody who who's seen somebody that's indicted and knows it's
• 1:06:40
  not good. You decide to take a path to get
• 1:06:44
  your own story out there to to have people get in in tune with
• 1:06:49
  you and learn about you and learn about your story through
• 1:06:52
  all of this that's going on. I think that is incredibly
• 1:06:59
  instructive to a lot of people who are dealing with something
• 1:07:02
  like this because there's there's a fork in the road,
• 1:07:05
  right? Which, which way do you go?
• 1:07:07
  Sure, your fork in the road. And I'm sure you had a lot of
• 1:07:12
  people, including your attorney say, don't you say anything.
• 1:07:16
  Don't you dare talk to the press.
• 1:07:18
  Don't you dare get on social media.
• 1:07:20
  And you did exactly the opposite.
• 1:07:23
  Walk us through that. Yeah, no, it's a great question.
• 1:07:26
  My attorney is Diane Bass. She's fantastic.
• 1:07:28
  She's been not only a great attorney, but almost a friend.
• 1:07:32
  Well, she has a friend now, but even initially she's really
• 1:07:36
  resignated. She's even told me how stupid I
• 1:07:38
  am at times, which I appreciate because I I'm a blunt,
• 1:07:41
  straightforward guy. And even though she's called me
• 1:07:44
  stupid and said some of the things I've done is stupid, they
• 1:07:47
  probably are. But I also have to live my life
• 1:07:50
  and it's me right when I wake up, just like you.
• 1:07:53
  It's it's your life. And I want to dictate the terms
• 1:07:57
  as best as I can. Being under a federal
• 1:07:59
  indictment, you are a little limited on some of the terms
• 1:08:02
  because you have a lot of rules and eyes on you.
• 1:08:04
  As you know, my phone's being monitored, my house is being
• 1:08:08
  monitored. We have home visits.
• 1:08:11
  I have to report. As you know, I have to go down
• 1:08:13
  to do drug tests, which is ironic because I don't do drugs
• 1:08:16
  and stand in line and pee in front of an officer watching.
• 1:08:19
  Very dehumanizing. Yeah.
• 1:08:21
  Very much. And then, you know, I don't know
• 1:08:23
  about you, but I've had stage fright multiple times.
• 1:08:25
  Me too. I can't pee.
• 1:08:26
  It's like, and the guy's turning the water, the faucet on and off
• 1:08:29
  trying to help you. And.
• 1:08:31
  And then he tells you you have 30 more seconds and there's more
• 1:08:33
  pressure. I'm just like, you know.
• 1:08:35
  And then I was told. Yeah.
• 1:08:37
  I gotta, I gotta tell you, both of you talking, both of you,
• 1:08:41
  both of us are talking about stage fright.
• 1:08:42
  I was actually in in Leavenworth, in prison, OK.
• 1:08:46
  And, and I had been there for almost three years and that they
• 1:08:50
  had these random drug tests that they would do.
• 1:08:54
  And so I had gotten to the point where whenever I got back from
• 1:08:58
  working, I wouldn't go to the bathroom because I knew that
• 1:09:01
  they did the the random tests. And and so I always wanted to
• 1:09:05
  make sure that I could go. Yeah, full blast.
• 1:09:07
  So, yeah, so after three years, I had gotten just lazy on the
• 1:09:10
  thinking and so sure enough, I'm coming out of the bathroom stall
• 1:09:15
  and or the urinal and and Strobe yells at me.
• 1:09:20
  He said Cassidy, they called your name.
• 1:09:21
  I was like, Oh no, you're. Like I'm not going to be able to
• 1:09:26
  do this. And so they only give you like 3
• 1:09:28
  or 4 ounces of water. So it's not like you don't have
• 1:09:30
  anything to start up with. Of.
• 1:09:32
  Course they give you 2 hours and I waited until the very end.
• 1:09:36
  This big, huge burly guy that does it.
• 1:09:38
  I mean, and there they are. You're in a, you know, the
• 1:09:40
  fluorescent room and in this little bitty tiny bathroom.
• 1:09:43
  And I can't, I can't go. Yeah.
• 1:09:45
  And and So what if you can't go in prison?
• 1:09:47
  They take you to the hole. Yeah, that's what I heard.
• 1:09:50
  And so it's it's it's winter time.
• 1:09:54
  It's freezing cold out Kansas at Leavenworth.
• 1:09:57
  And so this big burly guy says, come on outside with me.
• 1:10:00
  Oh boy, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, oh man, this doesn't
• 1:10:02
  sound good all. Right.
• 1:10:04
  Either I'm going to the hall or he's raping me, whatever the
• 1:10:06
  Hell's going on. So, so I get outside, I'm
• 1:10:10
  outside the prison, he said Take your shirt off.
• 1:10:13
  I said what, Excuse me? He said take your shirt off.
• 1:10:17
  And so I, I literally take my shirt off and I've got this cup
• 1:10:23
  and I start peeing in this cup and I was like, holy shit.
• 1:10:27
  And he said yeah, it always works.
• 1:10:29
  And I was like, I was only 5 minutes away from going to the
• 1:10:32
  hall. And that's.
• 1:10:33
  Crazy. So taking your shirt off
• 1:10:34
  actually helps, huh? I never knew that.
• 1:10:37
  Well, I might try that because I'll be honest with you, the
• 1:10:40
  first time was really rough. I'll tell you what happened to
• 1:10:43
  me. I I've never done it before.
• 1:10:46
  I stand in line and not to be judgmental, but the, the guys in
• 1:10:49
  line don't exactly look like, you know, the guys you want to
• 1:10:53
  hang out with. Let's just say it that way.
• 1:10:55
  And so I'm just like, what am I doing here?
• 1:10:58
  And anyway, they look like they've, they've done a lot of
• 1:11:01
  drugs. So when they call you back
• 1:11:03
  there, I've never done this before.
• 1:11:05
  And the guys like, all right, pee here and he's staring at you
• 1:11:08
  and I can't, and I'm just looking at him.
• 1:11:10
  I'm like, so then I, I thought I'd be funny.
• 1:11:13
  I said, can you at least buy me a drink next time?
• 1:11:16
  And he didn't, he didn't think that was funny.
• 1:11:18
  So anyway, he's like, you got 30 seconds.
• 1:11:20
  He's turning on and off the faucet.
• 1:11:22
  Finally I'm able to pee. Then he tells me it's, it's not,
• 1:11:27
  what's the word? It's not.
• 1:11:30
  Well, basically, it's too clear there's a word for it.
• 1:11:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he drank too much water
• 1:11:34
  or. Something, yes.
• 1:11:35
  And he says to me, well, you got to go whatever the word was for
• 1:11:40
  it, you got to go down and get a bagel and cream cheese or
• 1:11:42
  something and some coffee and come back.
• 1:11:44
  And I was like, what are you talking about?
• 1:11:45
  I, I peed plenty of pee. And he's like, well, it's too
• 1:11:48
  clear. And I said, well, I don't eat
• 1:11:50
  bagels and cream cheese. I'm helping, you know, like,
• 1:11:53
  like I work out. Carbs.
• 1:11:55
  Yeah, I try to eat clean, You know, He's like, not today.
• 1:11:57
  But I was like, wow. So I had to go have a cup of
• 1:12:00
  coffee and eat a bagel and cream cheese and come back and do it
• 1:12:02
  all over again. I was like, Oh my gosh.
• 1:12:04
  So yeah, that was that. That's traumatizing, at least to
• 1:12:07
  me, it was. I sound like a baby.
• 1:12:10
  But anyway, that that stuff is rough.
• 1:12:12
  So, but now that I'm, I'm doing dealing with all of that, you
• 1:12:16
  know, and there's more, right? I'm just scratching the surface,
• 1:12:20
  you know, you've been through it, You know, the the mindset
• 1:12:24
  has to be so strong to overcome all of these adversities and
• 1:12:29
  still be, you know, not not going depression.
• 1:12:32
  And you know, I could see how people end up going back to
• 1:12:35
  drugs or drinking or even gambling or whatever your
• 1:12:38
  addictions are all three right Stress level.
• 1:12:40
  It is, it's the anxiety is really high.
• 1:12:42
  But I have to be the advocate for my family of strength and
• 1:12:48
  show them that, you know, because if they see me crumble,
• 1:12:50
  they're going to crack and crumble, right?
• 1:12:52
  And, you know, we've had tough conversations.
• 1:12:55
  When this first happened with my wife, I pulled her aside.
• 1:12:58
  I've been with her ten years now and I said to her, I said,
• 1:13:02
  Nicole, you are a beautiful 30. She's 3838 or 38 year old woman.
• 1:13:08
  We have one child together. You have your own business.
• 1:13:11
  We have separate entities as far as our finances.
• 1:13:14
  We didn't join. Thank God.
• 1:13:15
  I said you can walk out of this relationship right now and just
• 1:13:20
  punt on this whole thing. And I actually don't blame you.
• 1:13:23
  Like, even though we love each other more than anything, like I
• 1:13:27
  actually think it's probably your best interest, you know,
• 1:13:29
  break my heart and I'll, I'll hate every minute of it.
• 1:13:31
  But I think you should consider that.
• 1:13:34
  And I kind of laid it all out for her because I knew I didn't
• 1:13:37
  know what this is going to be like you do now that you've been
• 1:13:40
  through it. Now I do.
• 1:13:40
  But I knew it was going to be rough.
• 1:13:43
  And she said to me, what the hell are you talking about?
• 1:13:45
  Like, you know, and I was like, thank God because I wanted to
• 1:13:48
  give her that option because I would have told everybody that,
• 1:13:50
  you know, things didn't work out.
• 1:13:51
  And I wouldn't have blamed it on her just being disloyal or
• 1:13:55
  because it wasn't that anyway. She probably, if she's here
• 1:13:58
  today in front of you, she might say, I wish I would have jumped
• 1:14:00
  on that. But in truth, it's been we've
• 1:14:03
  been become even better and stronger and closer, you know?
• 1:14:07
  That's such a big deal, though, Matt, what you just said,
• 1:14:10
  because you gave her an option. You felt the worst that you
• 1:14:14
  could feel about somebody who's having to ride along with you.
• 1:14:18
  But boy, it's such a big deal. I was lucky.
• 1:14:20
  My wife Julie was the best. She and, and I look back on it
• 1:14:25
  as a role model to my three daughters.
• 1:14:28
  Wow. And, and she was one of the
• 1:14:31
  wives that drove 4 hours one way, 8 hours for a visit every
• 1:14:38
  weekend. And, and it kept us together.
• 1:14:41
  And, and, but going through what you guys have gone through, it
• 1:14:45
  it does it, it, it welds you together that you're fighting
• 1:14:49
  the world together. Yeah.
• 1:14:51
  And that's amazing for your three kids to see your wife, you
• 1:14:55
  know, not only be loyal, but to be committed to you and your
• 1:15:00
  marriage and to your family. What you know, you, you could
• 1:15:03
  see how people can't handle it. Like it was not even her fault.
• 1:15:06
  Like if your wife couldn't handle it, you can't blame her.
• 1:15:09
  Like, I, I get it. You know, I don't even think
• 1:15:11
  it's disloyalty. I think it's just too much.
• 1:15:13
  It's just what you can handle. Yeah, and so I understand why a
• 1:15:17
  woman would leave a man or or vice versa.
• 1:15:20
  I I mean, I'm not that guy and my wife isn't and you, you and
• 1:15:23
  your wife aren't. But I don't even look down on
• 1:15:25
  the people that don't because it is a lot to take on.
• 1:15:28
  And, you know, you have that stress of are they coming back
• 1:15:31
  and unannounced visits. And we don't know what's coming
• 1:15:35
  next. Am I going to prison?
• 1:15:36
  How long am I going to prison? You know, what's our finances
• 1:15:39
  going to look like? How are we going to keep our
• 1:15:41
  kids in the schools? You know, how are they?
• 1:15:44
  So much. It's so much to think about.
• 1:15:46
  Everything you just said. It's a checklist of Oh my God.
• 1:15:50
  Right, and I'm not even covering all of them.
• 1:15:52
  You know that there's 20 more that we're not even covering
• 1:15:54
  that are seem minute compared to what we're talking about.
• 1:15:57
  But they're not. You know, it's like, how about
• 1:15:59
  the fact that when you're, you have three kids and they go
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  somewhere, especially initially, like they're, they're associated
• 1:16:06
  with their dad being in prison or felon.
• 1:16:10
  And it's like that they, nobody knows the real back story of
• 1:16:14
  Brent and who he is and what kind of Family Guy he is and
• 1:16:16
  what kind of dad he is. And you can't even defend it
• 1:16:19
  because they, they're not, you don't have an opportunity to
• 1:16:21
  defend it a lot of times. So my Instagram, which you
• 1:16:23
  mentioned, I started 8 months ago.
• 1:16:26
  I've never been on social media my entire life.
• 1:16:28
  Don't even didn't even know how to post.
• 1:16:30
  So I started, I made that decision because I knew that I
• 1:16:34
  needed to represent. Well, initially I did it as a
• 1:16:39
  monetization plan for my book to be honest, which you don't, you
• 1:16:43
  don't make much money on books, but I just wanted to get it out
• 1:16:45
  there. And then what I found is very
• 1:16:48
  healing to tell people the truth, be authentic, and I'm
• 1:16:54
  getting so much more outreach. I mean, it's a lot of hate to
• 1:16:58
  people that want to talk about me and glorify.
• 1:17:00
  Always be that. Yeah, and I realized the hate is
• 1:17:03
  actually means I'm doing something right.
• 1:17:06
  Right, it's on them. Yeah, so they're, they're just
• 1:17:08
  miserable in their own lives. And they like to cast hate on
• 1:17:11
  people they don't even know, you know, but I love the support and
• 1:17:14
  the nice comments and the people that actually, you know, follow
• 1:17:16
  my story and, you know, I'm helping in some way, right?
• 1:17:19
  Because we all have trials, tribulations in life.
• 1:17:22
  And they don't have to be this massive, but we still deal with
• 1:17:25
  them. And you know, if I help somebody
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  from, you know, making a poor decision in, in their life
• 1:17:31
  because of my quote or because of something I said.
• 1:17:34
  Which you have great quotes on there by the way.
• 1:17:36
  Thank you. Every day you've got something
• 1:17:39
  that that's, you know, it's like, yes.
• 1:17:42
  Yeah, I appreciate it. It actually helps me too, right?
• 1:17:44
  Like, you know, there's a teacher teaches, but they're
• 1:17:48
  really getting empowerment of, of teaching because it reminds
• 1:17:50
  us all, we all get complacent in life.
• 1:17:53
  Appreciation, gratitude and humility, these are things that
• 1:17:56
  we we tend to forget. But when you resonate it every
• 1:17:59
  day and put it on even just an Instagram, for me, it's a
• 1:18:01
  reminder of like, you know, yeah.
• 1:18:03
  Wow, this is this. This quote is so true.
• 1:18:06
  You know, and these are things that remind me of when I walk
• 1:18:09
  out every day that I need to focus on and being a better
• 1:18:12
  father, a better person, a better husband, just a better
• 1:18:14
  human, you know, And the, the, the moral of the story of my
• 1:18:18
  Instagram really started as I thought, oh, I'm just going to
• 1:18:21
  get my book out there. And now I, I am defending
• 1:18:24
  myself. I am telling parts of my story.
• 1:18:27
  Yeah. I have to be a little bit
• 1:18:28
  careful of what I say because I don't want to say too much that
• 1:18:32
  could hurt my case, which I'm sure I already have.
• 1:18:35
  But I am being authentic and honest.
• 1:18:37
  And you know, I've made a lot of mistakes.
• 1:18:39
  I'm not a victim. I chose this path.
• 1:18:43
  And, and Matt, it was like when when you and I were talking, as
• 1:18:46
  earlier, you know, I really wanted to talk to you about your
• 1:18:49
  mindset. You know, a lot of people who
• 1:18:51
  can read about your case. It's a huge case.
• 1:18:53
  You can Google and talk and do whatever.
• 1:18:56
  What's fascinated me is, and I wonder, was it a surprise to you
• 1:18:59
  how, I mean, eight months ago you've got you're almost at
• 1:19:03
  100,000 followers on Instagram. Did, did, did that?
• 1:19:08
  Like what did you think about that?
• 1:19:11
  You know, I don't know. I didn't know anything about
• 1:19:13
  Instagram, so I didn't even understand it really.
• 1:19:15
  I mean, I knew what it was, but I was, I used to make fun of
• 1:19:18
  everybody who was on it, ironically, because I thought my
• 1:19:22
  perception of Instagram was beautiful girls just trying to
• 1:19:25
  get guys to look at their boobs. Everybody's the best life, best
• 1:19:29
  best vacation. So best dinner, right?
• 1:19:34
  Going Yeah. The, the, the glorifying parts
• 1:19:37
  of life. And I'm guilty of that too.
• 1:19:40
  Like I, I, I understand that like I, I want to show the best
• 1:19:43
  sides of me, but I've tried to not do that.
• 1:19:46
  I've tried to show both sides, right, because there's, you
• 1:19:50
  know, my wife I deemed to be beautiful, you know, and I talk
• 1:19:54
  about that, but that doesn't mean that there are moments
• 1:19:58
  where we feel ugly, right? Like, I mean, you know, there's,
• 1:20:01
  there's moments of of I talk about, you know, poor decisions
• 1:20:04
  I made or I should have did this or should have did that.
• 1:20:07
  It's not all, you know, I was on a private jet or this and that
• 1:20:09
  because that's not how life is. But that was my view.
• 1:20:14
  Now what I've gotten out of it to get to 85,000 or whatever it
• 1:20:18
  is. Is just being honest and
• 1:20:20
  authentic so that the people who are following me actually give a
• 1:20:22
  damn and get something out of it.
• 1:20:25
  And if I help them, it's healing for me.
• 1:20:28
  And then also it reminds me of like I said, things I need to
• 1:20:31
  improve on. It's just accountability.
• 1:20:33
  And then I, I do heal by talking about my problems and, and
• 1:20:37
  owning them. And I feel like, you know, when
• 1:20:40
  you own your shit, as I say, and you are honest, you know, the
• 1:20:43
  truth always sets you free. You know, for me in life, I've
• 1:20:48
  always just jumped off the Cliff when it comes to dealing with
• 1:20:51
  adversity as opposed to backing away from it.
• 1:20:55
  You know, I'll give an example when I was a commodity trader
• 1:20:57
  and let's say the guy had $100,000 loss and I hated making
• 1:21:02
  that phone call. Most of the traders in our
• 1:21:04
  office would like go for lunch, put it off, wait till the guy
• 1:21:09
  calls. That's exactly what I didn't do.
• 1:21:13
  I hated making that call. I would just dial his phone
• 1:21:15
  number and it started ringing and I would deal with it.
• 1:21:18
  And the minute I hung up, I felt 100,000 times better.
• 1:21:20
  Because number one, I was honest #2I dealt with it.
• 1:21:23
  And the anxiety of sitting on it was even worse, right?
• 1:21:27
  And. Eat the shit sandwich in the
• 1:21:28
  morning, right? Yeah, yeah, and you'll see my
• 1:21:31
  quote or one of the messages I just put on Instagram.
• 1:21:34
  What is it like to eat a shit sandwich for the whole world to
• 1:21:37
  see? And you know, and then I I post
• 1:21:40
  the next quote was something about my wife, right?
• 1:21:43
  But the, the reality is at the end of the day, like we all feel
• 1:21:47
  when we're in traumatizing moments, we all feel like it's
• 1:21:50
  the end of life, like you're, you're, Oh my God, this is the
• 1:21:53
  end of the world. But the reality is it's just
• 1:21:55
  temporary. You know, whether you were in
• 1:21:58
  prison, I mean, I'm sure when you're going to prison and I'm
• 1:22:00
  sure when I go to prison, it's going to feel like I just want
• 1:22:03
  to die, you know, for a minute. But we all know that.
• 1:22:06
  Look at where you're at now and look at where I'll be, right?
• 1:22:08
  So it's temporary. It's, it sucks, it's painful and
• 1:22:12
  it's a hard moment, but all of those moments that we've had in
• 1:22:15
  our life, I don't care who you are going back to when you're
• 1:22:18
  young, which is even more traumatic because everything's
• 1:22:20
  like, Oh my God, you know, you get through it and you're you're
• 1:22:24
  fine on the other side and you just have to understand that.
• 1:22:26
  So my mind frame is like, no matter what comes my way, I'm
• 1:22:30
  going to deal with it. And who knows?
• 1:22:32
  I mean, I could get hit by a car tomorrow and end my life or I
• 1:22:37
  could be, I could get cancer tomorrow morning and find out
• 1:22:40
  like, and that would be tough. No, we we don't.
• 1:22:43
  So I live every day, I try to experience the best moments with
• 1:22:46
  the people I love and I try to be more present.
• 1:22:49
  That's one thing I've gotten out of this probably more than
• 1:22:51
  anything. I was very non present with my
• 1:22:55
  children a lot because I had so much money on football games or
• 1:22:58
  baseball games or my business. And I also love gambling.
• 1:23:02
  So it sucked me in. And now that I don't gamble and
• 1:23:06
  I don't have all this exterior stuff going on, I'm so much more
• 1:23:09
  present. I'm so much better of a father
• 1:23:11
  and a person and a husband. So I'm blessed.
• 1:23:13
  I I actually am slightly grateful that the FBI raided my
• 1:23:17
  home because all the trauma has led me to be a better person.
• 1:23:21
  And I know I'm going to make more money than I ever have.
• 1:23:24
  There's no doubt about it. And I know I'll pay the
• 1:23:27
  government every dollar I own. Do.
• 1:23:28
  You think that's your biggest take away through it all?
• 1:23:31
  Yeah, being more present, being a better person, being morally,
• 1:23:35
  you know, waking up looking in the mirror and feeling so much
• 1:23:38
  better about who I am and owning my shit and actually telling
• 1:23:43
  people who judge me. I can try to flip the script as
• 1:23:47
  best I can. And the ones who don't, it's OK.
• 1:23:49
  I can't make everybody love me or like me.
• 1:23:52
  And I don't expect them to because I'm not, I'm not the
• 1:23:55
  person that everybody should love or like, because I'll tell
• 1:23:58
  you how I feel about you too. You know, I'm OK with telling
• 1:24:00
  somebody I think they're an idiot or I think they're a
• 1:24:03
  scumbag or whatever. I don't go around casting hate
• 1:24:05
  on Instagrams like some people. But like, if I know you and I
• 1:24:09
  think you're wrong, I'll tell you you're wrong.
• 1:24:11
  And you know, you should respect that, right?
• 1:24:13
  And I'm OK with people telling me that what I'm doing like, you
• 1:24:16
  know, I get it all the time. Or, you know, you're just
• 1:24:18
  flaunting this or you're only talking about this because you
• 1:24:22
  got caught. Well, yeah, of course that's why
• 1:24:23
  I'm talking about it. You're right.
• 1:24:25
  But I'm talking about it because I'm owning it and I'm trying to
• 1:24:29
  recalibrate and be a better. What do you want me to do?
• 1:24:31
  I say to these people like I respond to all these negative
• 1:24:34
  haters, right? What do you expect me to do?
• 1:24:36
  Do you want me to go curl up in a ball and just become a loser
• 1:24:39
  and not be a good dad? Do you want me to cry every
• 1:24:42
  night? What is it that you you want to
• 1:24:44
  see from me? I've made mistakes, OK, You've
• 1:24:48
  made mistakes. I don't care who he was.
• 1:24:50
  Yeah, maybe mine are bigger and more poor choices than yours.
• 1:24:52
  OK, so you're a better person than me.
• 1:24:54
  Congratulations. You know, it's like some.
• 1:24:56
  So I really get it. It's entertaining to me,
• 1:24:59
  actually. But that being said, if I could
• 1:25:01
  give back and help somebody in a in need, at which I have, I've
• 1:25:05
  had a gentleman who said he was going to kill himself on my
• 1:25:08
  Instagram D Ming me saying that, you know, he just lost all this
• 1:25:11
  money and he wants to jump off a Cliff.
• 1:25:14
  I don't know if I helped him save his life, but I definitely
• 1:25:16
  gave him all the best advice and told him that's absolutely
• 1:25:18
  insane to even think that, you know, money doesn't matter.
• 1:25:22
  You can always make more money. You'll figure it out.
• 1:25:24
  I said, at the end of the day, it feels like the worst pain in
• 1:25:26
  the world at this moment, but it will pass.
• 1:25:29
  And you know, so I got some more feedback from him, you know, so
• 1:25:32
  he's still alive. But the point is like, that's a
• 1:25:35
  very big example. But some people just tell me,
• 1:25:37
  you know what? Your quote lifted me today and
• 1:25:40
  instead of having a bad day, I had a great day.
• 1:25:42
  Stuff like that makes me feel good because that's.
• 1:25:44
  Well, I, I got to tell you, man, I the stuff that I see and how
• 1:25:48
  you post and what you post, I love it.
• 1:25:52
  I mean, because I, I like that kind of stuff that you grab and
• 1:25:54
  say, Oh, I can use that. It makes me, it makes me feel
• 1:25:58
  like I need to step in. This is differently, whatever it
• 1:26:00
  is. And I think you're doing that
• 1:26:02
  for a lot of people. And I'm confident.
• 1:26:05
  And I love the fact that you made time to come on this show
• 1:26:08
  because I know you've got a lot that's in front of you.
• 1:26:11
  But I am confident that first of all, you're going to adapt to
• 1:26:13
  anything you already have. You're handling things
• 1:26:17
  differently, more courageously than a lot of people just
• 1:26:20
  because you've just decided what the hell.
• 1:26:23
  I'm, I'm giving it the way I always have done it and I'm
• 1:26:26
  going straight at it and knocking down barriers as I get
• 1:26:28
  there. That's why I'm confident that
• 1:26:31
  whatever happens, and I don't know if you, I hope for the
• 1:26:34
  best. So you get probation, you know,
• 1:26:36
  whatever it is, you will be able to because they, they can take
• 1:26:42
  so much, but they can't take your brain.
• 1:26:45
  And as long as you realize that whatever you're doing with your
• 1:26:49
  book, whatever you're doing with your Instagram, whatever you're
• 1:26:51
  doing with your documentary series, which I think will be
• 1:26:53
  phenomenal because you have so much to share.
• 1:26:56
  Sure, it's all going to be good, even though you're having to go
• 1:27:01
  through, you know, what's that one countryside you're walking
• 1:27:04
  through hell, you know, whatever it is, you know, get get out as
• 1:27:07
  fast as you can, but you got to go.
• 1:27:11
  But you're the way that you're handling things is courageous
• 1:27:14
  and, and I admire it, really do. I really, I really appreciate
• 1:27:17
  it. It's yeah.
• 1:27:19
  I, I, I don't want to sit here and act like I don't have my
• 1:27:21
  tough moments where, you know, I, I even, I want to soak like a
• 1:27:24
  little baby in wine and, you know, poor me thing.
• 1:27:27
  But that victim role doesn't help anybody.
• 1:27:30
  Takes all your straight away. It does.
• 1:27:32
  And you know, your, your mind is the most powerful muscle that we
• 1:27:35
  all have. And once you sharpen that tool,
• 1:27:38
  you're dangerous. And I'm, you're dangerous in a
• 1:27:40
  positive way. And I know I'm dangerous and I
• 1:27:43
  remind myself every day egotistically that I am so that
• 1:27:47
  when I do have a weak moment, it's there for a second because
• 1:27:49
  we all have those voices, right? You have that devil and Angel.
• 1:27:52
  And the more we listen to that devil, the more we go down dark
• 1:27:55
  pass. And I, I feel like at the end of
• 1:27:58
  the day, you sharpen that tool, you, you can do anything you
• 1:28:01
  want. And I know that sounds cliche,
• 1:28:03
  but you really can. I mean, you can and like, you
• 1:28:06
  know, talking about, you know, helping professional athletes,
• 1:28:10
  of course you'll be able to help professional athletes.
• 1:28:12
  Of course, you know, Damon W was on this show and, and he, hell,
• 1:28:17
  he I think he was sentenced to 56 years and, and, and was able
• 1:28:21
  to get out and I think in seven years.
• 1:28:22
  But his whole thing was, is he just, he was a great athlete
• 1:28:25
  that wanted to talk to other athletes and he started off
• 1:28:29
  being a hit in the SEC And then, you know, he's just corporates
• 1:28:33
  and everything else. But he had, he just had that
• 1:28:35
  desire and that, that, that, that want that grit.
• 1:28:39
  And you've got all that, Matthew, But then what you're
• 1:28:41
  going to be able to give to people walking out on the other
• 1:28:45
  side of this is your whole life experience to plug into other
• 1:28:50
  people to, to help them. And that's, I know you're going
• 1:28:52
  to be able to do that because you already are.
• 1:28:54
  And I want to say if anybody, we've talked a lot about this,
• 1:28:59
  but don't forget it's at Matthew and, and, and it's one T it's,
• 1:29:05
  it's at Matthew Boyer 5. It's Boyer.
• 1:29:09
  BOWBOWYER. Bo Yeah Bowyer and follow his
• 1:29:18
  Instagram. Well, it's it's worth the
• 1:29:20
  follow. Thanks, Brent.
• 1:29:22
  I definitely, I'm enjoying building.
• 1:29:24
  I'm enjoying giving back. And you know, at the end of the
• 1:29:28
  day, we're all human. We make mistakes, just like you
• 1:29:31
  and I both have. And I will make many more, but I
• 1:29:34
  promise you they'll be less. And I promise you they'll be
• 1:29:37
  better decisions and we will learn from it.
• 1:29:39
  And that's all you can do, all you can do.
• 1:29:41
  But I want to help people. And the more I can, just like
• 1:29:44
  you are, you give back. And you know, it's all the power
• 1:29:48
  to you and your show and giving back to others and helping them
• 1:29:50
  through all that adversity. I appreciate that talking about
• 1:29:54
  gratitude. Homestead Financial home
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  out there, I've got one. It's nightmare.
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  breaking free. Leave a review on Apple.
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  Leave me a message. And as I used to say to my
• 1:30:24
  people as I was writing my emails back and forth from
• 1:30:26
  Leavenworth, stay strong. I'll do the same.
• 1:30:30
  Matt, thank you so much for being a guest here today.
• 1:30:33
  I think a lot of people got a lot of good stuff out of what
• 1:30:35
  you had to talk about. No, thank you.
• 1:30:37
  I I love your platform and it's great to be on the show.
• 1:30:40
  So thank you so much. All right, folks.
• 1:30:43
  Nightmare success. In and out.
• 1:30:48
  Great.