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Highlights for Curtis and Larry (2) · Curtis Sliwa & Larry Mendte In The Morning

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  Speaker 1: Other day yesterday was at City Hall as a press
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  Speaker 1: conference took place. The mayor, his staff, others who were
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  Speaker 1: involved in and around 9-11, and the keynote speaker was
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  Speaker 1: Jon Stewart. His friend was also there, who you know
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  Speaker 1: personally very well, Larry.
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  Speaker 2: Jon Field.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And there were assorted people in the crowd who were
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  Speaker 1: not really political. I could just tell by looking. But
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  Speaker 1: the information that was revealed was damning. Apparently, they had
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  Speaker 1: found finally, after many, many years of searching during the
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  Speaker 1: administrations of Giuliani, Bloomberg, de Blasio, and most recently Adams,
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  Speaker 1: about 68 boxes in the Department of Environmental Protection. that
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  Speaker 1: had to do with reports on the air quality in
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  Speaker 1: and around the 9-11 attack site. Very extensive, including what
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  Speaker 1: could be a very damning report by a deputy mayor
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  Speaker 1: of Rudy Giuliani's administration, Robert Harding, who I've known pretty well,
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  Speaker 1: at least many, many years ago. It's called the Harding Memo.
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  Speaker 1: And boy, if it's true, Larry... There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people who have to be able to answer the question,
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  Speaker 1: which right now nobody is answering. When did you know?
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  Speaker 1: What did you know? And what, if anything, did you
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  Speaker 1: do about it?
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  Speaker 2: They never warned anybody, even that it might be dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: If you remember, Christy Todd Whitman, former governor, head of
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  Speaker 2: the EPA at the time, said that the air was fine.
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  Speaker 2: If there was anybody in the city that knew different
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  Speaker 2: because they were doing testing right then. You can see
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  Speaker 2: from the files they were doing testing at the time.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't see anything. They didn't see a thing that
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  Speaker 2: made them realize this air might be dangerous. This gets
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  Speaker 2: very personal for me because I think that anybody that
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  Speaker 2: used to watch my commentaries on WPIX know that I
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  Speaker 2: did them once or twice a week. On this very topic,
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  Speaker 2: and I went with busloads of first responders, many of
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  Speaker 2: them wheelchairs, many of them with breathing apparatuses, down to
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  Speaker 2: Congress to beg them for money to help on the
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  Speaker 2: illnesses they got on that day. The thing is, they
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  Speaker 2: were the living proof. We all knew. We all knew
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  Speaker 2: it was making people sick. How could you not know? Curtis,
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  Speaker 2: there was four buses that we went down there on.
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  Speaker 2: More than half of them are dead now. More than
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  Speaker 2: half of them died. More than half of the people
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  Speaker 2: I got to know died from 9-11-related illnesses. All kinds
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  Speaker 2: of weird illnesses that people don't get. And we just
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  Speaker 2: kept looking the other way. Oh, sure, Congress passed money
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  Speaker 2: to help them and get medical treatment, but they kept dying,
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  Speaker 2: over 9,000 of them. So look, where are we at
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  Speaker 2: with this now? Evil has been done. That's pretty apparent.
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  Speaker 2: There was information that could have helped people that was
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  Speaker 2: held back because nobody wanted culpability. Nobody wanted the lawsuits.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, and I think to the law, that's criminal.
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  Speaker 2: Like it shouldn't end here. It shouldn't end with the
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  Speaker 2: release of documents. There should be criminal charges. And I
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  Speaker 2: know probably nobody in the city will take this case.
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  Speaker 2: So I look to the federal government.
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  Speaker 4: The U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Attorney should be looking at this. And finding out when
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  Speaker 2: people knew. Because let's just say, Curtis, it wasn't right away.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just say it wasn't at that moment. Let's say
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  Speaker 2: it was a few weeks later. Well, people were working
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  Speaker 2: at that site for years and they were complaining the
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  Speaker 2: entire time that there's something wrong with the air. And
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  Speaker 2: they were told over and over again, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: you don't even need a mask. Oh, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine. It's fine. It wasn't fine. And people died.
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  Speaker 2: And people that I know died. And someone has to
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  Speaker 2: be held accountable. It can't be the release of a document,
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  Speaker 2: and then you say, oh, guess what? Everything's okay now.
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  Speaker 2: We admitted to it. All right, let's move on. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: And you pointed it out, Curtis. It's administration after administration
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  Speaker 2: after administration, but it has to start with the first one.
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  Speaker 2: The hero of 9-11, Rudy Giuliani, the mayor that led
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  Speaker 2: us out of 9-11, doesn't look so good right now.
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  Speaker 2: And anybody in his administration doesn't look so good right now.
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  Speaker 2: And there has to be at least hearings. I would
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  Speaker 2: hope that there's going to be congressional hearings and that
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  Speaker 2: people are called in front of them and asked the
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  Speaker 2: simple question, what did you know and when did you
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  Speaker 2: know it? Because obviously there was testing going on. We
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  Speaker 2: know now we have paperwork. There was testing going on
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  Speaker 2: from the very beginning. And there was a sign at
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  Speaker 2: the very least, although it's probably deeper than that, that
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  Speaker 2: that air was dangerous. That air was dangerous to be in.
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  Speaker 2: And did they give out gas masks?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: Did they make any accommodations for the people that had
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  Speaker 2: to work on that pile? No.
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  Speaker 3: None.
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  Speaker 5: Not a one.
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  Speaker 2: So people died. And in my opinion, at this point,
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  Speaker 2: there was culpability from the government. And this can't stop
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  Speaker 2: after this. Let's remember 9-11. Let's take time this week.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want this to get in the way of
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  Speaker 2: the remembrance. But in the back of your mind, This
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  Speaker 2: can't be forgotten. As soon on Monday, next Monday, they
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  Speaker 2: should announce hearings. Next Monday, there should be the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: attorney talking about an investigation. Next Monday, all that should start.
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  Speaker 2: Because there has to be more than this. It can't be, oh, look,
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  Speaker 2: we all knew. Okay, let's move on. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: There's too many people. This was, at the very least, manslaughter.
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  Speaker 2: if you knew what was going on and you did
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  Speaker 2: nothing and you could have saved lives and you did nothing,
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  Speaker 2: you killed people. People that came to this city's aid,
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  Speaker 2: people that tried to rebuild this city, you killed them.
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  Speaker 2: And so Curtis, you can tell this is pretty personal
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  Speaker 2: to me, but I want an accountability. I want a commission.
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  Speaker 2: I want like a Warren commission almost. I want a
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  Speaker 2: commission to look into this and figure out what people know.
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  Speaker 2: And I need those that died to know that we
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  Speaker 2: cared about them that much that we fought to find
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  Speaker 2: out what happened to them. And we held those that
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  Speaker 2: did this accountable. No doubt.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, John Stewart was very eloquent in explaining the,
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  Speaker 1: To the world, really, what was in the first drop
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  Speaker 1: is 170,000 pages. There's many, many more to come in
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  Speaker 1: those 68 boxes. But he had quite a bit to say.
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  Speaker 6: There was poison in the air and on the ground
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  Speaker 6: and in the windowsills and in your air conditioners and
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  Speaker 6: covering your pets and your clothes. And it stayed there
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  Speaker 6: for months. Everyone knew.
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  Speaker 2: And it was in lungs. Yeah, everybody knew, but it
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  Speaker 2: was in lungs as well. That was the worst part.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't have the personal relationship that you
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  Speaker 1: obviously did, Larry. What really brought my attention to this
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  Speaker 1: were all the people who were told you could continue
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  Speaker 1: to live in the area. One of them was Donna Summers,
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  Speaker 1: the great disco queen who died of lung cancer. She
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  Speaker 1: had an apartment down there. She had never smoked, no
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  Speaker 1: secondary smoke. probably attributable to the lung cancer from asbestosis,
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  Speaker 1: which could surface any time from 15 to 60 years,
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  Speaker 1: you know, those fibers, those inhaled fibers. So you say
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  Speaker 1: to yourself, in addition to all the men and women
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  Speaker 1: who are down, you know, trying to find the last
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  Speaker 1: remnants of those that have been crushed to death, people
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  Speaker 1: removing the debris, the construction people, People had to work
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  Speaker 1: in the area. People had to go to school in
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  Speaker 1: the area. People who lived in the area. It's a lot,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know four out of five firefighters that were
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  Speaker 2: there had some type of diagnosis of 9-11 conditions? Four
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  Speaker 2: or five of those firefighters. And how was that ignored
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  Speaker 2: all this time? Do you know that there are almost
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  Speaker 2: 4,000 people right now as we speak battling cancer linked
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  Speaker 2: to that toxic dust? So this is a current problem.
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  Speaker 2: This is a murder that's still happening. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: a mass murder that's still happening. Not knowing. Murders gets
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  Speaker 2: carried away because there has to be intent. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think the intent was on the people that covered it up.
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  Speaker 2: But they're complicit. They're complicit in killing people.
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  Speaker 1: And they had to have known. You know it had
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  Speaker 1: to have been discussed. We know, as you mentioned, Christine
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  Speaker 1: Todd Whitman immediately announced on behalf of the EPA, the
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  Speaker 1: air is clear, it's clean, it will not be a
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  Speaker 1: threat to you. She has since apologized. What are you
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  Speaker 1: apologizing for if you were reading from a report that
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  Speaker 1: said the air was clear, or did you just rush
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  Speaker 1: that through? was there a predetermined attitude that you couldn't
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  Speaker 1: just vacate the whole area, let's say south of 14th Street,
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  Speaker 1: that you had to have people actively working there, going
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  Speaker 1: to school there, and then obviously continuing with the extraction
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  Speaker 1: of materials and the search for any remnants of DNA
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  Speaker 1: of those who had been crushed to death? So, I
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  Speaker 1: think you're right. There needs to be a commission. People
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  Speaker 1: need to be issued warrants. They need to give public
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  Speaker 1: testimony on this because, boy, this is pretty damning. And
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  Speaker 1: this is just the start. 170,000 pages, and it's all
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  Speaker 1: going to be posted. It's being posted now on a portal.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have an opportunity to see for ourselves, but it's...
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  Speaker 1: Not looking good for Rudy or Bloomberg especially because those
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  Speaker 1: were the main two mayors that came during the attack
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  Speaker 1: and then obviously after the attack.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a lot of people that ignored it down
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  Speaker 2: the road. You're right. They're the main culprits, but there's
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  Speaker 2: now the jurors are speaking out from the Lindsay Clancy case.
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  Speaker 2: And as we are going back and forth, figuring out
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  Speaker 2: what the jurors were going to try to do and
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  Speaker 2: what they were thinking and why there was a mistrial,
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  Speaker 2: it's clear now that 11, including all of the women
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  Speaker 2: on the jury, I believe there was eight or nine,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't it? Nine. Nine of them. Right. All of the
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  Speaker 2: women on the jury wanted not guilty. And there was
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  Speaker 2: one holdout, as we had heard all along, we just
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  Speaker 2: didn't know what the holdout was, but now it's clear.
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  Speaker 2: And we have heard from the foreperson, it was a woman,
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  Speaker 2: the foreperson saying that it was a certain point when
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  Speaker 2: he admitted that there was reasonable doubt. And she thought, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's it. We have a verdict.
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  Speaker 3: He admitted he had reasonable doubt. And I started filling
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  Speaker 3: out the forms. I was so excited. I actually, there
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  Speaker 3: were three forms I had to fill out. And I
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  Speaker 3: started filling them out. I wrote my signature.
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  Speaker 2: On each one.
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  Speaker 3: And then he said, but I'm still not going to
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  Speaker 3: say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity.
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  Speaker 2: And that's when they sent the note to the judge saying, listen,
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  Speaker 2: we have somebody that's not obeying the law, not obeying
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  Speaker 2: your instructions. And he called all the jurors in and
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  Speaker 2: talked to them, including this one gentleman who was holding out,
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  Speaker 2: and thank God for him. Three of the jurors have
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  Speaker 2: come out now to talk. There may be a fourth,
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  Speaker 2: because I just saw that somebody was on Boston Radio
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  Speaker 2: this morning, and I think it might be the guy,
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  Speaker 2: so we should probably look for that as well. But
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  Speaker 2: when you hear these jurors, these women... Well, listen to
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  Speaker 2: this and you see if you took away from this
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  Speaker 2: what I took away.
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  Speaker 4: We read to him on numerous occasions the definition of
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  Speaker 4: a reasonable doubt from Judge Sullivan's instruction. He actually said
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  Speaker 4: one day in the end, well, why don't we have
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  Speaker 4: the judge come in and read it again? And we
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  Speaker 4: were like, no, we have it in front of us.
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  Speaker 4: We don't need that. And we would highlight it. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, so-and-so, this is the definition of reasonable. But
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  Speaker 4: he had the hardest time getting off the fact that
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  Speaker 4: Lindsay viciously killed her children.
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Did you hear that at the end? He had
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  Speaker 2: the hardest time getting off the fact that she killed
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  Speaker 2: her own children, that she killed the three children. That's
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  Speaker 2: a hard fact to get over.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you would never have been chosen for the jury, Larry.
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  Speaker 1: You would have been recused from day one.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: So you have all these jurors, 11, two men, the
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  Speaker 1: rest women, who came to the same conclusion based on
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  Speaker 1: all the witnesses and the evidence. She also said that
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  Speaker 1: she felt that the prosecutor showed no sympathy towards the
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  Speaker 1: mother at all and that her attorney did a much,
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  Speaker 1: much better job in bonding himself with the jury, showing sensitivity, empathy,
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  Speaker 1: acknowledging wrong, but also guiding them in the direction of
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  Speaker 1: what he hoped his client would end up with. That
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  Speaker 1: was Reddington. They said he was entertaining, at times arrogant, compassionate,
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  Speaker 1: and funny, whereas the prosecutor just showed no empathy, no sympathy,
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  Speaker 1: and that was a woman prosecutor. We're completely screwed. Our
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  Speaker 1: judicial system, there's a big problem with it. Because everything
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  Speaker 1: you just said, everything you just said doesn't include the children.
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  Speaker 1: And everything that was presented didn't include the children. The
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  Speaker 1: fact that this one woman complains that, boy, that guy
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  Speaker 1: just couldn't get over the three kids that died.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you have to get over that. You got to
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  Speaker 2: get over that hump. Man, it's disgusting. There's something really
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  Speaker 2: disgusting about this. And I will say that the Reddington,
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  Speaker 2: the defense attorney... has an answer to me and others
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  Speaker 2: that believe as I do.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, please, it's not evil. These people don't understand. They
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  Speaker 5: don't know what she went through. They didn't see her
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  Speaker 5: text messages. They didn't see her journal. They didn't see
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  Speaker 5: the notes that she wrote. They didn't see the text
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  Speaker 5: she sent her mother in October saying, Mommy, can you
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  Speaker 5: please come to here?
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  Speaker 2: I am sick. Something's wrong. Well, there's something wrong with us,
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  Speaker 2: not with the people that can't find someone who killed
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  Speaker 2: three children guilty. That's the problem. That's the problem. Let's
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  Speaker 2: just let them off. You know, they had another one
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  Speaker 2: since then. Someone else killed a child, killed a child,
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  Speaker 2: and now is claiming the same thing. I mean, now
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be across the country. Everybody that kills
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  Speaker 2: a child can just say that they have psychological disorder
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  Speaker 2: and they get to walk the streets again. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it is insane that we're not only and purely talking
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  Speaker 2: about the three kids. Also, Reddington is, you know, as
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about a second ago, has asked for
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  Speaker 2: a pardon from the president. President can't pardon this crime. Correct.
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  Speaker 1: State crime, not a federal crime. But now it looks
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  Speaker 1: like he'll probably want to begin plea negotiations with the D.A.
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  Speaker 1: who did not prosecute the case. That's Tim Cruz. He
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  Speaker 1: had his assistant D.A. prosecuted. But the jurors also said
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  Speaker 1: that they heard from a wide variety of witnesses. There
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  Speaker 1: certainly were plenty of witnesses, plenty of exhibitions that were
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  Speaker 1: put in front of them. But they said they had
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  Speaker 1: no character witnesses saying Lindsay was a bad mom. So
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  Speaker 1: if you're a member of the jury and so many
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  Speaker 1: people come to the same conclusion, Larry, and these are
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  Speaker 1: not dullards, they're well-spoken. I mean, this is what our
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  Speaker 1: system is. The jury made the decision and obviously had
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  Speaker 1: the one holdout who had his doubts. And now the
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  Speaker 1: process continues. So if it's a good person, there's no
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  Speaker 1: one that said she wasn't a good person. If it's
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  Speaker 1: a good person- that kills their three kids, we should say, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's a good person.
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  Speaker 2: She's a good person. And so that, that's okay. Or
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  Speaker 2: should we just say all the time, what was the
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  Speaker 2: drugs that made her do it? It was the drugs
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  Speaker 2: that made her do it. And, and so she killed
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  Speaker 2: three kids too bad.
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  Speaker 1: No, I understand that your opinion, Larry, but the whole
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  Speaker 1: world had a chance to watch this trial. And apparently
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  Speaker 1: there were a lot of people came to a different conclusion.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Um, I go with the jury decision.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: Jury made a decision.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I had to live with a jury. The jury didn't
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  Speaker 2: make a decision. It was hung.
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  Speaker 1: I lived with a jury that by 11-1 allowed John
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  Speaker 1: Gotti Jr. to get off the hook for trying to
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  Speaker 1: kill me and kidnap me, and I had to live
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  Speaker 1: with it.
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  Speaker 2: And they were wrong. You can say they were wrong, right?
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  Speaker 2: That was our system. But you can say they were wrong.
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  Speaker 2: In my eyes, yes, they're wrong. But they're not wrong
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  Speaker 2: in this jury. One holdout jury. But they're not wrong here.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say that wrong, Larry.
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  Speaker 7: But you're acting as if you're judge, jury, and executioner here.
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  Speaker 7: And there's a whole world of other persons out there,
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  Speaker 7: especially women, who've had all kinds of circumstances, who are
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  Speaker 7: somewhat sympathetic and empathetic to what women go through.
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  Speaker 2: We're screwed. You can kill three kids now. That's okay.
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  Speaker 2: You can do that now. And because you're going to
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  Speaker 2: get a sympathetic jury that's going to go, oh, that's
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  Speaker 2: a shame. She went through postpartum problems. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: she was never diagnosed with any of that. That was
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: entered into. She went to doctor after doctor after doctor.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: She never got diagnosed. Remember they kept saying she had
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: postpartum psychosis? Never got that diagnosis. I guess that should
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: be ignored, too.
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: Well, Dr.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Phil, I think his credentials in this field are a
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: lot better than yours, right?
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Dr. Phil? Well, okay. is his credentials better than yours?
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Because I have none, yes. Anybody would be, even a quack.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: He said that there's no doubt she went through postpartum
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: psychosis and that that can happen on a spur of
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: the moment and is different than postpartum depression.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, we should ask Dr.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Oz.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Who are the other TV doctors we should check in with?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Well, they were all Oprah's doctors, and now they're no
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: longer Oprah's friends. But there's a diversity of opinion on this,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and it tends to be men side against the decision
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: of the jury, and women tend to be more empathetic
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and sympathetic to the decision of the jury.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not siding with or without the jury. I am
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: siding with the three children. I'm siding with the victims.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: And she is not a victim. She isn't. No matter
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: how you spin it, she's not a victim. She's a killer.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: She's not a murderer, according to 11 people on a jury.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Thank God for the one holdout. But I do hope
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: they don't. I'm sure they're going to. They're not going
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: to want to spend money on this case again. They're
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: going to come up with some type of plea and
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: some settlement between the two of them. And they're going
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: to be working on that. But I wish it was
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: tried again. Because I'd like to have more faith in humankind.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: But so if the decision is 11-1, and it's obvious
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that you're going to have a mixed jury the next
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: time you pick a jury, you'd want them to go
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: for a complete conviction on a criminal charge and not
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: guilty by reason of insanity.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Something in the middle. I don't think she should have
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: life without parole. But yes, something in the middle would
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: suit me. Second degree would suit.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I have a feeling the DA, Tim Cruz, who's
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: a Republican, by the way, is not going to go
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that route, that they'll figure out some kind of plea deal.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And I think because of her physical condition, she'll end
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: up in a psychiatric facility probably for the rest of
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: her natural life.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe. I mean, there's so many that are let out,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: even though they are supposed to be put away for
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: a long time. So who knows when she's going to
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: be out? I mean, maybe they're going to get some
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: doctors just like this jury that feel bad for her
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: and they're going to let her walk out. Maybe she'll
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: have kids again. Maybe she'll kill him. I'm completely disgusted
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: with all of this. I am. And I can't believe
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: all the discussions I hear. Nobody talks about the three kids.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Even that jury discounted them. Why? Because she killed three kids?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: You would acknowledge there's a very noticeable gender divide on this.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, from this jury there is. I mean, if I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: talk to my wife, she wants her put away for good.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: She wants her put to death. Right, I understand.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And they're going to be men or women who obviously
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: have different points of view, but just based on a
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: wide number of people I've talked to, it seems men
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: lock her up, throw away the key. Women, more sympathetic
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and empathetic.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And less likely to want to lock her up.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: On this jury, that was certainly true. I'd love to
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: hear what people have to say on that. Go ahead
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and leave us a Leave us a talk back.