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Ditchland From Screen And Playwright Tim Mulligan Your Hometown In Now A Graphic Novel · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 2: Good, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I got to tell you something. I love your storytelling.
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm jumping right into it, but if I
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  Speaker 1: don't say it, then somewhere along the line, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to go, damn it. Why didn't I say that? I
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  Speaker 1: love his storytelling.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you. That's nice. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's because you have learned the art of story sharing,
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  Speaker 1: and I can feel that everything that you've experienced comes
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  Speaker 1: through in a very magnetic story form. How did you
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  Speaker 1: know when it was time to put it into that
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  Speaker 1: storybook form?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I started, uh, as a play. I
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  Speaker 2: wrote my first play during the pandemic. I wrote the
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  Speaker 2: play Witchland and it's a very specific story I had
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  Speaker 2: about my hometown and the strange place and my experiences there.
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  Speaker 2: And it's such a unique, crazy place. And, and, and
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  Speaker 2: I never, I did it as an experiment and, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the play, I finished it. And then as my first story,
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  Speaker 2: my first play, it actually got produced and took off
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  Speaker 2: and went to New York and other places. And so
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  Speaker 2: then to get it into a wider audience, I thought, well, I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I love graphic novels. I love, uh, comic books.
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  Speaker 2: I like, I'm a big fan of art and graphic
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  Speaker 2: graphic design. So I hired a graphic designer and just
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  Speaker 2: kind of tried to, uh, you know, convert it into
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  Speaker 2: a graphic novel format and people seem to like it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's taken off from there. And now this new book,
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  Speaker 2: Ditchland is a, is a fourth in the series.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I want listeners to understand that they need
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  Speaker 1: to go to your website and go through the experience
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  Speaker 1: that you offer. First of all, you impressed me so
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  Speaker 1: much with your website. And I did giggle like a
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  Speaker 1: child when you called your books plays. I just thought
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  Speaker 1: that was the most creative thing that anybody has put
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  Speaker 1: on their website.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you. You know, so I've written, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I write two things. I write plays and graphic novels.
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  Speaker 2: So I do juggle back and forth. But But the
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  Speaker 2: graphic novel series just kind of has taken a life
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  Speaker 2: of its own. It's a world of witchland. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so people seem to enjoy them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, graphic novels are the thing right now. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I've talked with more people that are going to move
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  Speaker 1: away from the actual storytelling in the way that we've
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  Speaker 1: grown up with. And they're going toward graphic novels. And
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  Speaker 1: you're so far ahead of the curve that it's like
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  Speaker 1: you know where our imaginations are right now. We want
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  Speaker 1: to have something visual to hold on to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think especially with the horror genre, people, you know,
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  Speaker 2: scary stories are very popular right now. And I think
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  Speaker 2: with the graphic novel, it kind of takes you away
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  Speaker 2: into this other world and I can get really creative
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  Speaker 2: and show, you know, that what I have in my
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  Speaker 2: mind about these stories, I can have this, have it
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  Speaker 2: put to print and have some beautiful artwork to kind
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  Speaker 2: of paint the picture. So, yes.
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  Speaker 1: What is that like for you? Because when you deal
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  Speaker 1: with stories that have been on a live stage where
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  Speaker 1: you're dealing with real honest-to-God people, plus you've written books
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  Speaker 1: that don't deal with the graphic, but now when you've
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  Speaker 1: got the graphic novel and those pictures are right there
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  Speaker 1: in front of you, how does that charge up your imagination?
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  Speaker 1: Because I can't imagine the high that you're on when
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  Speaker 1: you see all of this come together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I've been really lucky with the
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  Speaker 2: partnership I have with the graphic designer. When I decided
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  Speaker 2: to convert the first play to a book, I just
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  Speaker 2: kind of did a search for a graphic novel, a
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  Speaker 2: graphic designer, and found this gentleman out of New York.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, out of Mexico, I'm sorry. His name is Pairink.
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  Speaker 2: And he seems to get me. He seems to get
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  Speaker 2: my vision. And now, as the fourth, and each book
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  Speaker 2: has a different kind of supernatural bent. And so I
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  Speaker 2: can throw him a witch story, a ghost story, And
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  Speaker 2: then the latest book involves animal testing and kids that
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  Speaker 2: actually turn into werewolves. And it's just fun to watch
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  Speaker 2: how he puts all that into artwork and creates this beautiful,
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  Speaker 2: frightening artwork that I never imagined would come alive so
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  Speaker 2: much on the page. So it's really fun, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: to see what he comes back with. When I write
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  Speaker 2: the words, I write the story, I have it all
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  Speaker 2: visualized in my head. And then to see how he
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  Speaker 2: really gets that concept and turns it into this stunning artwork. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how about that book cover? My God, it starts
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  Speaker 1: right there. Have you studied at all how people react
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  Speaker 1: when they see this book cover? Because it's the type
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  Speaker 1: where people look at it and go, oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: They become so intrigued into what's going on. You got
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  Speaker 1: to be selling some T-shirts on this one, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I would like to. You know, I really wanted to have,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the book tells a story of a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of kids who in this home, in a real life place,
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  Speaker 2: who live by this nuclear reactor cleanup site. It's where
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  Speaker 2: I was born and raised. And so I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 2: let's put them in a hoodie. You know, these kids
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  Speaker 2: are something's happening to them and they're transforming into something.
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  Speaker 2: So let's put a werewolf in a hoodie and see
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  Speaker 2: how it looks. And I love how it turned out. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're speaking my language when it comes to this
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  Speaker 1: new book, Ditchland, because, I mean, up there in Montana,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't have the nuclear power plants, but
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  Speaker 1: we had those Minutemen missiles in our ground, which I
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  Speaker 1: always was horrified of. And you're talking about werewolves. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I know for a fact that I think I am
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  Speaker 1: a werewolf and I just don't know it. Don't we
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  Speaker 1: all feel that way? I know that beast is inside
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  Speaker 1: of me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's a full moon and things happen
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  Speaker 2: from within and you transform into something. Yeah, who knows?
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  Speaker 1: So then to bring it to life the way you do,
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  Speaker 1: you have to experience it before I do. So what
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  Speaker 1: is your fear factor level? Do you get into one
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  Speaker 1: of those moments where you two chuckle like a child going, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God, I can't wait till they react to this?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm a big fan, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: of the horror genre. And so I've been really trying
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  Speaker 2: to stretch myself and say, you know, with each book
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  Speaker 2: that's come out, I've tried to tell a real-life aspect
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  Speaker 2: of living in this town with this, you know, nuclear
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  Speaker 2: cleanup site. And there's, you know, 50 million tons of
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  Speaker 2: toxic waste buried in the ground. So every story tells
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  Speaker 2: a different aspect of that. And then I throw in
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  Speaker 2: my own supernatural bent. And so, yeah, it's a kind
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  Speaker 2: of dichotomy. I want to be a little educational. I've
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  Speaker 2: done a ton of research on that aspect of of
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  Speaker 2: the nuclear sites. But then I throw in this family
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  Speaker 2: that's based on myself and my partner and my daughter
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  Speaker 2: and our own family. And then I throw in a supernatural,
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  Speaker 2: you know, force. And so I really have to kind
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  Speaker 2: of juggle all that. And I try to make it fun.
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  Speaker 2: I try to make it funny. I try at the
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  Speaker 2: heart of it. It's a funny, you know, warm family story,
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  Speaker 2: but then it's awful, terrifying things are happening all around them.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was going to talk about your humor
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  Speaker 1: because I I'm blessed with the opportunity to share conversations
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  Speaker 1: with comedians who will tell you until they're blue in
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  Speaker 1: the face, that it takes months and years to craft
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  Speaker 1: a joke. But I sit here and I read your book, Tim,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going, how is it that he is able
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  Speaker 1: to put all of this funny stuff in there? Is
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  Speaker 1: it the art of relating that we can all relate
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  Speaker 1: with it so we laugh about it?
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  Speaker 2: I think so. And, you know, for me, it's, for me,
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  Speaker 2: the best horror, especially, you know, I'm not a big
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  Speaker 2: fan of just, you know, a slasher, you know, scary thing.
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  Speaker 2: To me, the best horror are ones that have like
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  Speaker 2: a family drama at the center. And I think for
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  Speaker 2: For me, the most successful scary stories or movies are
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  Speaker 2: ones where you laugh and you are laughing while you're
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  Speaker 2: also covering your eyes because you know what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's important. And for me, it just
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  Speaker 2: kind of comes naturally. So I'm writing about what I know.
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  Speaker 2: It's my own hometown. It's based on my family. The
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  Speaker 2: main character is based on me. So I kind of
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  Speaker 2: know what if I was thrown into this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: thrown into this scary situation, how would I react? And
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  Speaker 2: so I try to make it, you know, be light
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  Speaker 2: and funny, even though it's dealing with some very dark subjects,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. We'll be right back with Tim Mulligan.
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  Speaker 1: Known for Witchland, back with... Ditch Land. We are back
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  Speaker 1: with Tim Mulligan. What do you do in those situations
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  Speaker 1: when you do, you know, travel along those lines of
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  Speaker 1: it being a real storyline? Because I know in one
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  Speaker 1: of my books, my friends dropped me as a friend.
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  Speaker 1: They told me because they said, yeah, that's not who
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  Speaker 1: I am. And I go, it really is who you are.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, do you run into that? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: do you forewarn somebody that I say some stuff in
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  Speaker 1: here about you that you might agree with? You may not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially here because it's based on a real place.
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  Speaker 2: And so I, you know, I was born and raised there.
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  Speaker 2: My family is all born and raised there. I have
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  Speaker 2: tons of friends and family who still live there. So
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  Speaker 2: I try to be, you know, deferential to the beauty
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  Speaker 2: of the place and what a great place it can be.
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  Speaker 2: But yet there's this threat of, you know, sickness and
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  Speaker 2: toxic waste and radiation. And so I've had to really
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  Speaker 2: I try to be deferential to that. to that and
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  Speaker 2: trying to balance all that. So otherwise I think everyone
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  Speaker 2: I know would just turn against me. So more, I
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  Speaker 2: look at it more like a fun loving tribute to
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  Speaker 2: this strange place where I was born and raised, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what my wife, the school teacher
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  Speaker 1: loves your stories. And the reason why is in fact,
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  Speaker 1: she always calls you the middle guy. And I go,
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  Speaker 1: why do you say that? She goes, because he's in
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  Speaker 1: the middle, he's experiencing something. He puts it in a
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  Speaker 1: way where people can relate with it. And he says,
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  Speaker 1: then she goes, I can take what he's saying and
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  Speaker 1: I can build a study for the students to go
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  Speaker 1: into and dig deeper and teach them to research, to
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  Speaker 1: understand their surroundings. I mean, it is such a tool
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  Speaker 1: for school teachers because you're the middle guy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I love that because I, you know, with each
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  Speaker 2: of the graphic novels, there's a four and then a
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  Speaker 2: fifth one will come out in January, which is based
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  Speaker 2: on kind of UFO experiences at Hanford. And so- But
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  Speaker 2: for each one, I've done, you know, meticulous research. And so,
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  Speaker 2: I do think, I mean, I love what you just
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  Speaker 2: said about your wife. So, I do think that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was born and raised there. And we didn't learn
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  Speaker 2: about any of this stuff when I was in school.
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  Speaker 2: We were never told what was happening down the street
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  Speaker 2: with this, you know, nuclear plant. So, I think that
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot there that people can't believe is true.
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  Speaker 2: Like this new book, Ditchland, is based on decades of
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  Speaker 2: animal testing and what, you know, what animals were subjected to.
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  Speaker 2: I think that there's stories there that people just don't
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  Speaker 2: You don't hear about and people can't believe it's a
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  Speaker 2: real place. And so I do think there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: there to dive into for scholastically, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I can I can totally get into this because
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  Speaker 1: we talked about Montana with those minimum missiles. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: here in Charlotte where we have two nuclear power plants.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, you spoke animals. Now you're speaking my street.
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  Speaker 1: I have a forest with all these animals in it,
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  Speaker 1: which is authentic. Of course, I'm on the same page
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  Speaker 1: as you are. But I don't want that bad energy
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  Speaker 1: to get into my birds here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when you start digging into the research of the
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  Speaker 2: stories of radioactive animals in the wildlife there, the stories
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  Speaker 2: are crazy. There's crocodiles on the loose that are radioactive,
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  Speaker 2: and there's radioactive bats. So the stories are too strange
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  Speaker 2: to be true. to believe, to be believable that they
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  Speaker 2: are true.
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  Speaker 1: So now, did I read right where you kind of
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  Speaker 1: like look at the world, you observe everything around you,
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  Speaker 1: you see somewhat of maybe a weakness and you go, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I can build a story on that. I mean, because
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  Speaker 1: I just feel your energy in so many places where
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  Speaker 1: most people would walk away from, but then we're drawn
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  Speaker 1: back into it because you wrote about it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's funny. So like, yeah, the graphic novels completely,
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  Speaker 2: it's all based on this, like I said, this place
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  Speaker 2: that I think this, I could go, I could probably
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  Speaker 2: do 20 plus novels about this place and tackling a
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  Speaker 2: different topic every time. But in the plays that I write,
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  Speaker 2: I also, I hear about something real or true. And
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  Speaker 2: then I think that's going to be a great story.
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  Speaker 2: I have a new play opening up in December. It's
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  Speaker 2: called Pig Butchered. It's about bank fraud. And I read
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  Speaker 2: about these bank fraud schemes. It's about that. I wrote
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  Speaker 2: a book about a real-life haunted house I know, a
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  Speaker 2: play called Point Loma. So there's always a nugget of truth.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, I do hear something and I think, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I could turn that into a really fun story.
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  Speaker 1: See, I keep waiting for Netflix and Hulu to tap
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  Speaker 1: into every one of these things that you guys are
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  Speaker 1: doing on these stages. Because I'm in Charlotte. You're probably
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  Speaker 1: doing this in a much bigger city. And the thing is,
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  Speaker 1: is that I want to see it on a live stage.
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  Speaker 1: And I keep waiting for these platforms to say, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to bring those live stages to you. It's going
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  Speaker 1: to cost you $ 29. 99, but we're going to bring it
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  Speaker 1: to you. And I would jump on that in a heartbeat.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, thank you for saying that. I think
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  Speaker 2: the world of Witchland, the graphic novels, I mean, that
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  Speaker 2: would be the dream if someone could take it and
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  Speaker 2: adapt it. I've had some conversations, but I'm with you. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I loved Twin Peaks. I was inspired by that. That's
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  Speaker 2: Washington State also. And this is the same thing. It's
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  Speaker 2: based on a real town. You know, my hometown is
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  Speaker 2: famous for, I'd say, two things. Spud nuts, which are
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  Speaker 2: potato flour donuts, and nuclear waste. And so you put
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  Speaker 2: those together, and you're like, what? And so what kind
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  Speaker 2: of place is that?
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, it's just so creative and strange. And then
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  Speaker 2: all the stories that are, you know, not all the
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  Speaker 2: decades of stories from that place. It just, I think
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  Speaker 2: it would make a great narrative for, you know, on
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  Speaker 2: the screen as well. I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God. And is there anything inside of you
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  Speaker 1: now that Johnny Depp is starting to do music again?
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to do something where you have music
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  Speaker 1: in it and just invite Johnny over to be a character?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny. I, you know, I love musicals and I,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not a musician, but I've been trying to think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, is there a way that I take one
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  Speaker 2: of these and, and uh turned it into a musical
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  Speaker 2: so i believe me it's not it's not uh out
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  Speaker 2: of uh the scheme of the realm of reality put
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  Speaker 2: it that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah because i mean in in reading your graphics i'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be very honest with you i do create
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  Speaker 1: a soundtrack you'll hear me go from page to page
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  Speaker 1: i'll go or i'll go i can feel it while
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  Speaker 1: you while i'm reading it because i just i i
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  Speaker 1: don't know i just i just feel like that you
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  Speaker 1: are listening to music while you're putting this together and
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  Speaker 1: it transferred through the transfers through those pages.
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  Speaker 2: I always am. When I write, I have music on,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm always having a certain type of music in mind.
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  Speaker 2: I actually did help with a friend. We composed the
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  Speaker 2: theme and copyrighted the theme song, too, with the World
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  Speaker 2: of Witchland first play, and so... I think that it's
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  Speaker 2: fun to have its own kind of, you know, curated music.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm trying, you know, I think that it
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  Speaker 2: gets tricky with the plays because you have to get
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  Speaker 2: the rights and all that. But with the graphic novel,
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  Speaker 2: I can kind of do whatever I want.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I did that with my last two books.
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  Speaker 1: I did music while with it and people go, I
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  Speaker 1: don't get it, dude. I said, read the book, read
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  Speaker 1: the book, then go listen to the music. Don't listen
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  Speaker 1: to the music first and then go read the book.
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  Speaker 1: You ain't going to get it at all because that's
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  Speaker 1: just what creative people do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so I totally agree with that. But like,
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  Speaker 2: it's tough in the graphic novel because I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's many scenes where there's music playing and you have
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  Speaker 2: to kind of depict that in a graphic and that's tricky.
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  Speaker 2: But with the plays, I can have a little more,
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  Speaker 2: you know, creativity with that. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: God, I'm so glad you give yourself permission to be
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  Speaker 1: creative because there's a lot of people that don't get
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  Speaker 1: to do this. And I just want your energy to
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  Speaker 1: get inside their noggins that it doesn't belong to them
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  Speaker 1: and they can share their thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I appreciate that. I'm a full-time.
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  Speaker 1: Manager.
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  Speaker 2: I've been in human resources for 30 years. And I
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: work day jobs. I raise my kids. I didn't start
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: writing until COVID hit. As bad as COVID was, I mean,
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: for some of us, we really tapped into our creative side.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: So I was 50, I don't know, 53 when the
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: pandemic first hit. And I thought, I'm going to use
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: this time differently. And I'm going to force myself to
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: finally put something on paper. And so I decided I
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: wanted to write two things during COVID. I wanted to
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: write a cookbook, and I wanted to force myself to
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: write a play. And in two years, I did both
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: of those things. Now it's been, what, six years? Four years,
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  Speaker 2: five years, and I've written four plays, two have gone
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: to New York, five graphic novels, two cookbooks. So I really,
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: at a very late age of my life, I've untapped
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  Speaker 2: this creativity, and I just say to anybody, It's never
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: too late to do so, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Where can people go to find out
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  Speaker 1: more about you, Tim? Because I do want them to
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  Speaker 1: tap into all of your energy and not just take
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: in one book, but to really embrace it.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. The website that you mentioned, it's MulliganWorld.com. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: And then you can follow me on Facebook, Insta. It's
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: under Witchland Play. And then the books are all available
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: on Amazon. I have an author page on Amazon as well,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Tim Mulligan.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Wow. Well, you got to come back to this show anytime, dude.
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  Speaker 1: The door is always going to be open for you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. The next book will come out.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Switchland, the fifth book in the series. That'll
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: come out early in the year. But for now, Ditchland
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: drops a week from today.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be getting in touch with Heather. I
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: want to get this thing booked immediately. I don't want
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: to wait in line for you. I want to be
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: the guy that gets that backstage pass, dude. Ah, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to come back.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks a lot. You be brilliant today, okay? All right.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. You too. Thank you.