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Final Pre-Draft Thoughts, First Round Prop Bets, NFC North 1st Round QBs, and UNI’s Best NFL Players | TSH Ep. 37 · The Skol Hop

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  All right, Hey Vikings fans, welcome back to another episode of the School
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  High. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. We're just a couple of dudes from
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  Iowa. We like drinking beer talking about the biking school school. Oh that
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  was very nice, very nice. All right, ev you have graced us
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  with the beer this week. I did. What'd you bring us? Well?
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  I was perusing the local grocery store shelves, came across and say it,
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  we can say our Devil's Glenn Hivey. They're basically friends of the show
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  at this point. They are. Yeah, it's a good spot and they've
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  got a good selection of beer. I love them, and they're starting to
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  know our first names. So yep, it's nice. Anyways, I came
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  across a brewery that we haven't featured yet on the show. I didn't even
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  know this existed until I came across their beer. We're drinking Reclaimed Rails out
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  of BonDurant, Iowa. It's near Des Moines, and we're drinking their blood
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  orange wheat today. Yeah, so reclaimed Rails, blood orange wheat, and
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  so far I'm liking it. Yeah. I like the can art. It's
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  simple. It definitely. It's got a nice blood orange on there. You
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  should check it out if you haven't seen the art before. But obviously the
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  beer is really good. I'm kind of surprised that I like it just because
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  it is that that blood orange, that that grapefruit type beer. First thing
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  I thought was, it's almost like a sour type beer, and sours are
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  not my go to. It's refreshing. I think you mentioned it's a good
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  springtime, good to go all weather type beer, and we're normally like a
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  heavy hop or a nice dark amber type beer drinker. So this is a
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  good change of pace. It's refreshing, but it's not like two sour,
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  so it's still not something I'm saying it should be called a sour or anything.
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  It's a wheat beer. I like it. It's springtime. I mean,
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  we're forty eight hours away from the first round of the NFL Draft,
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  Yeah we are, and that means it's April, the end of April,
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  and so yeah, I was looking for something springy, something a little more
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  fruity, citrusy, something bright, and this is it, and it's good.
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  I'm enjoying it. Yeah, I really like blood orange, so yeah,
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  I'm enjoying it so far. I think I just need to I'm learning
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  more and more about myself. I need to realize that I like most beers.
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  I have my favorites. But if I was at our favorite high V
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  and I saw this before I tried it tonight, I probably would have skipped
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  over it, you know, I wouldn't have grabbed it. But now it's
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  definitely one I will. I'll grab from time to time. And to be
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  fair, I think I have skipped over this bit before. I've looked at
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  it and I'm like, maybe not today, But today I was like,
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  you know what, We're gonna try it. Yeah. So here we are,
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  and it's pretty not good so far. Yeah, so I'm excited to
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  see what I think after two of them. You know, towards the end
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  of the episode, we should scol again school. We're getting better at that.
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  Yeah, we are, all right? Well should we pay the bills
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  quick? Yeah? Yeah. So it's been a while. We we kind
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  of stopped reading the early episode ad reads for our friends at Big Top Ventures,
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  but we're gonna throw it back in there because we like them a lot.
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  They they haven't gone anywhere, They've only ever supported us fully, so
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  in that sense, here we go shout out to Big Top Ventures for sponsoring
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  today's episode. They can definitely get you the lowest rate possible on several all
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  inclusive resorts in Mexico and Jamaica. Actually, my neighbor and friend is in
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  Jamaica right now. I think I saw that on Facebook. Actually, that
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  gmail dot com, and maybe you can get a really good, surprising price
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  to go to a Mexican or Jamaican all inclusive sounds nice this time of year.
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  Yeah, I'm actually going in June, so like a couple of months.
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  I think we're under sixty days from the day that we leave in Mexico,
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  Mexico this time, yet, I cannot wait. It'll be my third
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  time going with Big Top Ventures and it's a blast. I love. You
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  might not tell from looking at me. I like to just sit around and
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  have nice, nice drinks and good food and yeah, it's it's the best.
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  One of these days. You need to do it, man, you
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  need today and you have an in so I do. I do well.
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  Keep that in mind for sure. If you're looking for a nice vacation,
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  I think they can hook you up. Yeah. So my friend who's in
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  Jamaica, I think he's gonna I don't know if he'll be back before the
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  draft or if he's gonna have to watch the draft in a tropical setting.
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  Must be rough, but we should probably talk about the draft. It's literally
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  forty eight hours away from right now. I think forty eight hours from now
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  we will know the fate of the Vikings. I mean, the first round
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  will nearly be over at this point. That's true. It's nearly nine o'clock
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  as we sit here and record this episode on Tuesday. I think by nine
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  o'clock PM Central Time on Thursday, the night of the first round of the
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  drafts, the Vikings picks will be done and over with, whether they trade
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  up or they sit and wait at eleven. Yeah, yeah, a lot,
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  a lot of the fate of the franchise. Because this is a pivotal
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  draft. Every draft is pivotal, but this is a big one because obviously
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  there's no qualms about it. They're looking at making a move at the most
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  important position in football, and yeah, this could be. This could alter
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  it in a great way or in a terrible way. So we'll see.
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  I'm excited. And we've been talking about this for months, I mean pretty
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  much since free agency started and Kirk left took the job in Atlanta. We've
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  been talking about totally tampering whatsoever, totally on board and everything like that.
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  Could be a little offshoot of this conversation down the road, But let me
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  ask you this question first. I saw a tweet today while I was kind
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  of perusing and kind of getting ready for recording tonight that said that they're a
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  handful of gms across the league that'll be on the hot seat if they don't
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  draft well this year, and Quacy, for this particular individual who tweeted,
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  was at the top of that list. Yeah, do you think his seat
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  is hot? Warm, cold, neutral? Where do you think he sits
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  now? And where do you think he sits on draft night? And if
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  he gets it right, if he gets it wrong, does that change anything?
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  Yeah? So I think he seems like low hanging fruit to the mass
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  media and everything like that, because it's a team that just let a pretty
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  good quarterback walk in free agency. And we've said it a million times,
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  we're not in those meetings, we're not in the building. We don't know
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  what the owners and coaches and GM all talk about all the time. So
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  for all we know, the owners were like, yeah, we don't want
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  Kirk anymore. For all we know, they were like, do everything you
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  can to get them. So I'm not sure, but that could be a
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  reason think he's either already in trouble or they're still just going according to plan.
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  But I think it's a little early to say Quac is right now on
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  the hot seat. Sure, if we're a year from now and the quarterback
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  positions a mess outside of injury, and the team doesn't look good, because
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  I think, if you and I were both honest, a year from now,
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  we'll be talking about a twenty twenty four Vikings that had at most maybe
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  seven to nine wins. I mean, we're not looking at a team that's
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  really ramping up to make a deep playoff run. Probably anything can happen.
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  I'm here for rooting for everything. I want them to win every game,
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  but to be realistic, like they're in a transition time and when you have
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  a young quarterback or perhaps even a rookie quarterback taking the helm, there's going
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  to be some growing pains. So I think that mindset knowing that it's going
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  to be a rookie quarterback Sam Donald, which that's my advocacy, is that
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  Sam Donald starts most of the season, but Quacy's gonna get a little leeway
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  unless whoever is playing quarterback looks awful outside of injury, looks lost. Or
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  if let's say they get a guy at you know, they trade up to
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  three or five or wherever, and they get a guy and then somebody takes
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  you know, a bow Nix or Michael Pennox later in the first round or
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  even second round, and one of those two looks light years ahead of whoever
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  the Vikings pick. You know that that would look pretty bad on the GM
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  and the coach really so. But isn't isn't that kind of the story of
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  the NFL? I mean, doesn't that typically happen? Like you have to
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  wonder if Quacy has considered all of these things, and if he I'm sure
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  he's done his homework. I'm sure he's done his research. I'm sure he
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  has obsessed over is he married? Yeah, married, And I think with
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  a very young child, like not less than a year old child, well,
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  I'd venture to guess that his wife and his young child have seen very
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  little of him. Probably or he's been working from home and he's just been
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  like stressed to the gourd about what's coming up. Because I think he does
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  know that this will reflect on him in a lot of ways. I agree
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  with you. I don't think it's as big of a deal as some people
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  are making it out to be. I don't know that he's going to be
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  on the hottest seat in terms of GMS after the draft. If we get
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  into the season and the draft pick is a bust, or we move up
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  to three or four or five or whatever they pick the guy and somebody below
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  him performs better, Like, I don't know that Quacy will be out of
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  a job like that because of all of that. But you have to think
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  that he is analyzing every nook and cranny of this position. I mean,
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  you've got to take into consideration guys of the past that have become Hall of
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  famers, or will be Hall of famers. Tom Brady drafted what round was
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  he drafted in the sixth round? Yeah, he's the way outsider. But
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  like Kirk Cousins himself, he was a fourth rounder. Russell Wilson, I
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  think he was a third rounder. Brock Purdy the most recent example, he
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  was mister irrelevant. Irrelevant. Yeah, so you can find those diamonds in
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  a rough, which is what I think you're you're saying, and but I
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  think what I'm getting at is the diamonds in the rough are more common than
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  I think maybe we realize, and maybe maybe we, the general public and
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  maybe the media have hyped up this draft class of quarterbacks that are likely to
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  go in the first round, above and beyond where they deserve to be pumped
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  up. I mean, we were talking. We talked with Dustin last week
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  on our episode. Dustin Baker was a guest of ours. We talked about,
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  how you know, when we first started JJ McCarthy, we were thinking,
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  oh, yeah, he's low first round. Yeah, maybe he'll squeak
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  him the first maybe, And now all of a sudden, he's in the
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  top five, and yeah, the Vikings might not be able to afford the
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  draft capital to get to draft him. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah,
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  it's it's interesting how all of that ebbs and flows throughout kind of the free
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  agency and pre draft season. And it's interesting how all of these narratives start
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  to form beforehand, and then we forget completely about them when play happens and
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  they start actually playing football in September and October and November, and then all
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  of a sudden, all those narratives that were written months before are washed away
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  by what happens on the field. So and I kind of go back to
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  it too a little bit. The media doesn't know exactly what what's going to
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  happen. Nobody really knows. Yeah, sure, could we say absolutely the
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  Caleb Williams, he's gonna be the first pick. That's you could bet a
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  billion dollars on that. That's probably gonna happen. But like I looked it
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  up to day, mel Kiper of ESPN his final mock draft, probably like
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  this time last year, had will Levis going like fourth or fifth overall,
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  and will Levis dropped famously to the second round, like and he will Levis
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  may still end up being good. He's I think the presumed starter for the
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  Titans. Right now. But like even these experts don't know what's gonna happen.
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  We're not in on those phone calls. We see the Austin fort like
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  really cool wheeling and dealing draft trade video that the Cardinals put out. I
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  forget even what that was from. Is that like an Amazon Prime thing of
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  just like hey, there's fifteen different plates spinning around and trying to get the
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  best deal. We don't know exactly what's happening or what has already happened.
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  For all we know, some of these trade agreements are already in, so
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  we'll see. I will say, just to fully go back and answer your
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  question, I think at this moment, quacy seat is as hot or cold
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  as any GM in the league. Nobody. Everybody's fighting for their job every
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  minute of you know, of the year, Like anybody could go for Bill
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  Belichick. He doesn't have an NFL coaching job right now, like anybody can
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  go from having a secure job to oh wow, they're gone, Like it's
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  it's crazy how that can work. But I think Quacy at the moment is
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  as safe as normal. I tell you what. On Twitter the night of
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  the draft, the account that I will be following most closely is the NFC
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  North News. Oh, don't do that. Don't even say that. People
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  do not follow that account. That's a meme account. I think Dustin Baker
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  called it the onion of Vikings Twitter. It is total parody, it is
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  total bs. It is not real. You should not follow it, but
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  I will. He'll be maybe keeping an eye on it just for the laughs.
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  On Draft night. There will be some laughs. I will say.
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  The more I think about the Vikings quarterback situation, I think Quac will ultimately
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  be praised for the signing of Sam Donald. I'm not saying Sam Donald's going
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  to be a pro bowler, He's going to lead the Vikings to a Super
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  Bowl this year. I'm saying he should be looked at more highly than even
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  case Keenum was looked at when he signed with the Vikings prior to the what
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  twenty seventeen season. Sam Donald will make whoever is picked at quarterback, He'll
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  make their job a lot easier and will probably make it so it almost doesn't
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  matter who's picked if it's Drake may or JJ McCarthy or a worst case scenario
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  on Michael PENNOCKX or Bo Nix like that rookie quarterback hopefully will be sitting and
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  watching for most of his rookie year, and I'm that's what I'm hoping for
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  and almost predicting. So I think I think we'll all be okay. So
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  is that your kind of final prediction that it really doesn't matter who's drafted,
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  even a doomsday scenario, Vikings stay at eleven or even fall and take Pennix
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  or a Bonix. Yeah, you're not too concerned about it because Donald will
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  be the guy whoever is drafted will sit behind him and will follow a Packers
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  model of let him sit, let him learn, start them when they're ready.
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  Absolutely, so I kind of I think the best case scenario, yeah,
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  is they signed Donald. He is QB one right now, and I
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  think as of Friday morning, he will still be QB one, And I
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  don't think it's gonna be one of those ceremonial like, oh, yeah,
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  Trevor Lawrence he was picked first overall, but yeah, he's still right now
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  QB three on our depth chart heading into training camp like that, Trevor Lawrence
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  was always going to be the Jaguars first quarterback, but I think Donald he's
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  got to be the starter. And I really think the Vikings are going to
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  go into the season week one. I'll bet any amount of money you want,
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  Donald is gonna be the starter. However, there is always that caveat
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  of when you think of the scenario I talked about a few weeks ago,
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  the Russell Wilson rookie year scenario. The Seahawks had signed Matt Flynn to be
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  their starter. Now, granted they signed him to be their starter, he
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  had a pretty big starting deal, and then they took this rookie quarterback in
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  the third round. But you know what, in training camp, Russell Wilson,
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  that rookie quarterback, third rounder, he won the job. So if
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  they drafted JJ McCarthy or Drake may or whoever, and they go into training
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  camp, Donald rookie as far as depth chart, if that rookie legitimately wins
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  the job and not just like, oh, we have to start him because
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  he's our highly touted first round rookie that we paid a lot for. If
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  he wins the job, then the best guy should be playing. But I
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  really think Donald has every chance to be as good as he's ever been in
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  the NFL with the Vikings, and that makes a lot of sense to me.
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  I'm a track coach, and so I mean, I spend a lot
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  of time with a stopwatch in my hand, and with our athletes, we
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  tell them the watch doesn't lie. You run sixty second four hundred meters.
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  This is girls track, but a sixty second four hundred meters is better than
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  a sixty eighth. And the sixty will find themselves in a four x four
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  relay going to state, or they will find themselves in the open four trying
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  to win US points at the conference meet, and the sixty eight won't.
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  And we tell the kids all the time, if that's what you want,
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  if you want to be a contributing factor, then you've got to win your
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  spot. And so I agree with that a lot. And I think,
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  I mean, I don't think the NFL operates much differently than that. I
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  don't think there's a lot of politics. I don't think there's a lot of
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  favorite maybe every once in a while, but when people's jobs are on the
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  line, when you talk about hot seats, it's performance based, yeah,
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  for sure. And we've seen choc make tough decisions in the moment he benched.
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  Every quarterback on the roster was either season ending injury or benched at one
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  point yep because of performance. So Dobbs benched, Hall Hurt, Mullins benched,
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  all benched. Yeah, and we have that TikTok about Michael Scott talking
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  about getting multiple of the secondy. So we've seen Koc at least make the
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  tough call, the right tough call in the moment, and I think regardless
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  of who they picked first over or in the first round, Choc is not
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  going to have any qualms about saying, hey, my best quarterback at the
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  moment is Darnold or the rookie, and I have faith in that. So
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  I'm going to make my prediction on trade partners because we've talked ad nauseum about
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  this and I think there are a few logical trade partners to get into the
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  top five. I mean, we've been talking about the Patriots, the Cardinals,
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  and the Chargers. All three could be suitors. I think everybody's pretty
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  confident that the Bears will stay where they're at ye, and then Washington will
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  probably stay where they are too. At one and two definitely seems like it.
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  And so given that in given those next three teams, the Patriots at
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  three, the Cardinals at four, and the Chargers at five. My prediction
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  is the Patriots are the most agreeable and logical trade partner for the Vikings.
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  I think the Patriots are going through some changes, obviously with different head coach
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  and GM with Bill Belichick leaving. I think they'll appreciate the draft capital that
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  the Vikings have to offer. It may cost a little more than this year's
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  two first rounders at eleven and twenty three, and they may have to lump
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  in something in the future, hopefully not another first round or next year.
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  That would be less than ideal. But I could see that being not necessarily
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  a hail Mary, but a heave, a last second heave by Quasi to
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  kind of get the deal done and get the guy that they want. But
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  I think it's going to be the Patriots. I think the Vikings will get
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  up to three and they'll get their guy. Are going to get who they
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  want, So yeah, I think honestly, I think the Patriots, I
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  agree with you. They're looking to reload and build their roster as much as
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  possible rather than just focus on one position, and they're going to try,
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  just like any business deal whatsoever, they're going to try to get the best
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  value humanly possible, to the point that they're going to tell the Vikings like,
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  hey, at this pick is available, it's going to cost a lot,
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  and if you're not willing to pay for it, we'll just go ahead
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  and pick JJ or Drake may or whoever's available right then. And they're going
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  to try to convince the Vikings that they really that the Patriots really do want
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  to pick that quarterback, which it wouldn't be a bad move for them to
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  pick a highly touted rookie quarterback, but it also they need more than that.
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  I don't think they want to do that right now. They're going to
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  try to build their roster and then insert the good QB either through development this
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  year or in the next few drafts. So yeah, the Patriots are going
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  to try to get next year's first and maybe even twenty twenty six first.
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  Like I don't think that's what they want to do, and I think the
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  Vikings ultimately know that. So I really think the Vikings, I don't think
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  they're going to be able to talk the Cardinals out of number four. Cardinals
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  with one of the best wide receiver prospects in recent memory, They're gonna do
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  everything they can to get Kyler Murray as many good weapons before they really have
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  to make a decision on do we keep Kyler Murray long term? So they're
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  looking at that wide receiver. I feel like I've already seen Marvin Harrison Junior
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  in a Cardinals jersey. Yeah, in my dreams, Like I feel like
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  it's just already manifested itself, like it's just gonna happen, almost as much
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  as Caleb Williams in a Bear's jersey. Like it just seems like it's that's
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  where things are headed. That's that's how it's gonna go. So the Vikings
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  are gonna They're gonna try for the Patriots number three, and I really hope
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  they have the confidence and the balls really to eventually at some point tell the
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  Patriots, Okay, go pound sand like we don't, we don't need to
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  overpay when you don't even really want to pick the guy that you're saying you're
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  gonna pick. So it's either gonna be the Patriots and if that doesn't work,
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  then the Vikings have a couple options. I would even say the Giants
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  are an option to trade with for sure. Yeah, maybe they're competing for
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  a quarterback, but with their financial situation, their obligation to Daniel Jones.
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  I don't think the Giants are picking a quarterback this year anyways. They're again
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  kind of like the Cardinal Is, going to try their best to make their
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  current quarterback work and load him up with as many weapons. So the Giants
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  might be a sneaky trade partner with the Vikings, and obviously the Chargers might
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  be the most realistic. I feel like the Giants are what the Vikings don't
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  want to become in like two or three years. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
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  well, I still I don't know. I don't think Daniel Jones,
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  outside of two games against the Vikings in twenty twenty two, he didn't He's
• 24:41
  he didn't look like a forty five million dollar a year quarterback like ever and
• 24:47
  or the Giants really just double triple, quadruple down on that guy. Yep.
• 24:52
  And if I remember correctly, they have a good easy out from his
• 24:57
  contract after the twenty four season, so they could be looking to draft a
• 25:02
  quarterback next year. But I think they're kind of stuck like and I think
• 25:06
  that bodes well for the Vikings. I don't think it's as dire for the
• 25:10
  Vikings situation as the media wants everyone to believe, as the Patriots would want
• 25:15
  the Vikings to believe. I think I think things are sitting pretty good right
• 25:19
  now for the Vikings. So coming back to pick number four, the Cardinals
• 25:26
  have pick number four, and I think it's basically a foregone conclusion that Marvin
• 25:32
  Harrison Junior is headed to Arizona. He might as well already have his jersey
• 25:37
  in red and white and get that name on the back. And Harrison Junior
• 25:42
  is going to take up a little more space than your typical name. Probably
• 25:45
  they'll make it work. So you've put together a list of some different prop
• 25:51
  bets, yeah, in the draft, and one of them is the first
• 25:55
  non QB selected. Yeah, So can I let me let me interjects?
• 26:00
  Are really quick, Friend of the show, Forest, I am talking to
• 26:03
  you right now. These bets are what These bets that we're going to talk
• 26:07
  about are what you and I have talked about betting against each other this coming
• 26:12
  Thursday. Please skip forward until Evan and I are done talking about these because
• 26:18
  I'm going to actually say what I think is going to happen. So you
• 26:22
  could totally fleece me in our friendly wager that we're going to have in a
• 26:26
  couple of days, so full transparency. Yes, So I have confidence for
• 26:33
  us is listening. He'll probably text me when he hears me say this right
• 26:34
  now. So yes. Anyways, just to completely derail that, let's get
• 26:41
  back to it. So first, non QB selected, you think Marvin Harris,
• 26:45
  Yeah, I think we both think it is. But I think if
• 26:48
  it's not him, it's going to be either Molik Neighbors, Neighbors Neighbors or
• 26:53
  who is the highest touted defensive player? Is that Byron Byron Murphy? Is
• 27:00
  that who is the highest touted defensive player? So of those three guys,
• 27:04
  Harrison Junior, Neighbors and Murphy, or whoever ends up being the most highly
• 27:10
  touted defensive player, I think it is going to be Marvin Harrison Junior.
• 27:14
  I think, like you said, you can write it in permanent marker tattoo
• 27:17
  it that it is going to be him to the Cardinals at four right now.
• 27:22
  I'm on ESPN right now. ESPN has Marvin Harrison Junior at the second
• 27:29
  best available overall. Yeah. Yeah, So it's Caleb Williams number one,
• 27:33
  and then it's Marvin Harrison and Malik Neighbors, is third. Yeah, that
• 27:37
  makes sense, and those best player available, best player overall. That's going
• 27:41
  to differ because obviously the quarterback position is so highly touted that the second best
• 27:49
  quarterback may end up being something like the fifth or tenth best player overall.
• 27:55
  You know, however it works out, you probably have it right there.
• 27:56
  But because of the position, the value you is there to be drafted higher
• 28:00
  than everyone else, and that's what makes the draft so interesting, so fun.
• 28:06
  So all right, did you have a number on Marvin Harrison? I
• 28:11
  know you were looking at Draft Kings like his his average draft? Like,
• 28:17
  do they have an over under on where? You can probably look that up
• 28:21
  here? I know the category is the first non QB selected, but if
• 28:25
  we're pretty confident it's him, what are the what's the betting public saying right
• 28:30
  now? Where do they think he's gonna go? Man, I'm not seeing
• 28:34
  it right here. I'm looking at the Draft Kings odds here because they have
• 28:38
  a lot of prop bets for for the draft, and I don't see him
• 28:41
  listed as one of the ones that have an over under draft position. They've
• 28:48
  got a lot of guys that's interesting. I feel like he'd be in there.
• 28:52
  Yeah, but maybe it's just so dead set that it's going to be
• 28:56
  fourth that it's not even worth because like Caleb Williams isn't listed here either.
• 29:00
  Sure, yeah, they only have a few guys in the top ten after
• 29:06
  that, a lot of guys in the twenties and thirties. Well, I'll
• 29:11
  stand pat with what I've said. It's pretty fore gone, pretty much a
• 29:15
  foregone conclusion. Caleb Williams to the Bears, Jade and Daniels to the Commanders.
• 29:22
  I think the Vikings trade up to number three with the Patriots. They
• 29:26
  take Drake May, who's the guy they want, and then at four the
• 29:33
  Cardinals take Marvin Harrison Junior. Yeah, that's my prediction for the first four
• 29:37
  picks could absolutely happen, and I would have a hard time disagreeing with that
• 29:41
  unless the only thing there for me is if the Vikings just aren't willing to
• 29:47
  pay what the Patriots demand and the Patriots legitimately have the balls to draft whoever
• 29:53
  they say, Because that's I gotta think the Patriots first their plan A is
• 29:57
  to trade back with the Vikings, Like that's got to be their plan A,
• 30:02
  and they've got to be comfortable with going to their plan B if the
• 30:03
  Vikings play ball or don't play ball, and give them everything they're asking for.
• 30:10
  Yeah for sure. All right, some other bets that you've got listed
• 30:14
  here total trades in the first round, Yeah, what do you think there
• 30:17
  could be a ton? Well? I think the Vikings are one for sure.
• 30:22
  I think there's no way that the Vikings sit at eleven and wait for
• 30:26
  their fate. I think they take eleven and twenty three, package those together,
• 30:30
  maybe with some other picks from future years. We've already talked about that,
• 30:36
  and they try to get into the top five in whatever way they can.
• 30:40
  And if the Patriots want to play ball, we play ball. If
• 30:44
  the if the Cardinals want to do it, if the Chargers want to do
• 30:48
  it, great, we figure out a way to get into the top five,
• 30:51
  and we hope that Drake or JJ McCarthy is available, we take them
• 30:56
  and that's it. So I think the Vikings are for sure a trade partner.
• 31:03
  Honestly, I don't know how many other trades there will be in the
• 31:07
  first round. So I'm going to take the under on this. Yeah you
• 31:10
  got it at six and a half. Yeah, So DraftKings as of right
• 31:12
  now, they're over under on first round trades is six and a half.
• 31:18
  So you're saying it'll be less than seven trades, right, Yeah, I
• 31:22
  think it's the under, and I think it's quite a way seven. It
• 31:25
  could be a lot. Yeah, I don't know, and I don't know.
• 31:30
  I can't remember a draft that's had that many trades in the first round.
• 31:34
  Yeah, well, think about it. I mean there's thirty one picks.
• 31:38
  Seven trades. That's almost a fourth of the picks. And if you're
• 31:44
  assuming the Vikings are going to trade make a trade that includes three of the
• 31:49
  first round picks, it would be you know, the Patriots pick to the
• 31:55
  Vikings and then the Vikings two first round picks to the Patriots. So that's
• 32:00
  I mean three of the thirty two. That's a tenth of the first round
• 32:06
  picks involved in one trade right there. So you might be onto something.
• 32:12
  Just just for the sweat, I'll say it'll be exactly seven. I think
• 32:16
  the defensive players in the high teens all the way through in the back half
• 32:23
  of the first round, I think people are going to fight for a coveted
• 32:27
  defensive player because those guys are going to fall because of the value of the
• 32:32
  quarterbacks up top. So yeah, I'll just just for the sake of argument,
• 32:37
  I honestly I agree with you. I think it'll be the under.
• 32:39
  But I'm going to say my official prediction is the over. At seven picks.
• 32:45
  Well, and I'm just looking at it right now. Already there have
• 32:47
  been one, two, three, sure, and don't I don't know count
• 32:55
  I might be wrong, I don't. I would assume that those don't count
• 32:59
  because Draft day trades, Okay, this is the way the draft kings on
• 33:02
  Thursday, trades that happen, and I think that that would also include like
• 33:07
  today or even I don't even know if today and tomorrow it might. I
• 33:14
  don't know. I'm honestly, I don't know the answer that my assumption is
• 33:16
  they would have to be during the draft. I'm still gonna stick with the
• 33:22
  under. Yeah, I know you're sticking right at seven. But like if
• 33:25
  you look at after five, we've talked ad nauseum about the top five.
• 33:31
  We I think we're pretty confident the Bears are going to stick at one because
• 33:36
  why wouldn't you You get whoever you want. And they have the ninth pick
• 33:38
  too, so honestly, they could trade down from that ninth pick and get
• 33:43
  more first round picks. I'd be crazy. Washington's probably going to stay where
• 33:45
  they are because they're kind of a quarterback. Seems like it. The Patriots
• 33:50
  have a lot of flexibility. They could gain some draft capital by trading with
• 33:53
  the Vikings. The Cardinals likely stay put, The Chargers likely stay put,
• 34:00
  unless if the Patriots don't move, then I think the Vikings will trade with
• 34:02
  the Chargers. I agree. I think they're the second most likely trade partner.
• 34:07
  But after that it's the Giants, who you mentioned could be a sneaky
• 34:12
  trade partner with the Vikings. I think there could be something, but they're
• 34:14
  still picking sixth. I mean, you keep Daniel Jones, you roll with
• 34:17
  him, and you get a guy that you get some protection up front for
• 34:22
  him. You get somebody on defense that can help turn the ball over and
• 34:27
  get the ball back into the offensive hands. You get an offensive weapon to
• 34:30
  hand the ball off to or to throw the ball to. I mean,
• 34:32
  you gotta like the Giants at six, and if you're if you're the Giants,
• 34:37
  you gotta feel good about picking sixth. Oh maybe even leveraging that sixth
• 34:42
  pick to get higher. The Titans are picking seventh, the Falcons picking eight.
• 34:46
  The Falcons, I think have to feel pretty good about picking eight,
• 34:50
  as long as that doesn't get messed up with any of the tampering stuff.
• 34:52
  Yeah, and you know, and that won't. By the way, the
• 34:57
  NFL, or even Adam Schefter tweet earlier today saying like, hey, yeah,
• 35:01
  the NFL is still working on it. They will not have a decision
• 35:06
  on the tampering punishment, any tampering punishment until after this week. I didn't
• 35:12
  see that. Yeah, that was just this afternoon. So anyways, I
• 35:15
  think in the top ten, it seems to me like everybody in there is
• 35:21
  either pretty good or has good leverage to move out. And I don't know,
• 35:29
  I feel like five, maybe sure, maybe four. I don't see
• 35:34
  a whole lot of other trades happening. I feel like the teams that are
• 35:37
  in the top ten are comfortable. If you're not in the top ten,
• 35:43
  you kind of just you know what you're getting yourself into. Yeah, you
• 35:45
  kind of know who the top ten ish best overall players are, and you
• 35:50
  probably don't. Like if you're at the Chiefs sitting at thirty two, you're
• 35:52
  like, all right, we know who's probably going to be available when it's
• 35:57
  our turn. To pick. Yeah, that that thirty second pick is always
• 36:00
  sneaky too, Like it that's a valuable first round pick, just in the
• 36:05
  sense that it's more easily attainable and it gives you the option for a fifth
• 36:12
  year option for whoever you pick. So there could be somebody who covets Bo
• 36:17
  Nicks or Michael Pennox or anybody and is like, hey, we get the
• 36:22
  chance to get him with a fifth year option. We're gonna make a call
• 36:28
  to Kansas City. In Kansas City, I wouldn't be surprised if they're looking
• 36:31
  like, hey, what holes do they have in their team that needs to
• 36:37
  be filled by a first rounder? Like I think that could be that we
• 36:40
  should almost bet on, Hey, will that pick be traded? But that's
• 36:45
  a sneaky pick every year to be traded. I'm still gonna take the under.
• 36:49
  I think, Okay, six or less. I'm thinking more four or
• 36:52
  five. Yeah, And like I said, I tend to agree with that
• 36:55
  mindset. However, just for the argument, I'll go the other way.
• 37:00
  Some other bets you've got here total big ten players. Yeah, So we're
• 37:05
  I mean we're Iowa boys. I'm an Iowa Hawkeyes fan. You're you're not
• 37:12
  really affiliated fringe fans. Sure, yeah, but yeah, we're definitely in
• 37:15
  Big ten country. So that's why it's on here. What do you think,
• 37:22
  Well, so again this is first round only and you've got the draft
• 37:27
  kings numbers in here. You've got draft kings at five and a half.
• 37:35
  Is this current Big ten teams or is this future expansion Big Ten? Well,
• 37:39
  I don't know, that's a good question. I also would assume that
• 37:44
  it is just players who are current Big ten players. So theoretically, like
• 37:51
  if there was somebody who transferred out of a Big ten team and is getting
• 37:54
  drafted now, they're not going to be included in that. So it's just
• 37:58
  players leaving a Big ten school at the moment. So currently on ESPN,
• 38:06
  in the best available top twenty five, there are six Big ten players and
• 38:13
  that's probably That probably means that's a sneaky good number. Five and a half
• 38:16
  is the over under, And of course we never know what order, you
• 38:22
  know, I mean, this has Caleb Williams number two, Marvin Harrison number
• 38:25
  or sorry, Caleb Williams number one, Marvin Harrison number two. That doesn't
• 38:30
  mean they're going to go one too. It's on team I will say that
• 38:34
  my assumption is that this bet includes like current as of twenty twenty three Big
• 38:43
  Ten schools. So it's not including USCS Caleb Williams as a Big Ten player,
• 38:47
  right, But I'm still not future expansion teams counted current Big Ten teams.
• 38:55
  I'm counting five Marvin Harrison junior from Ohio State. We've got JJ McCarthy
• 39:00
  from Michigan sitting at ninth best. Overall, we've got Penn State. I'm
• 39:07
  not even going to pronounce his name, right, offensive tackle all them,
• 39:12
  Nuyer fashionu oh Man, another Penn State edge rusher, Chop Robinson. Oh
• 39:20
  yeah, Illinois's defensive tackle Jashaun Newton, he's been a big name in draft
• 39:27
  conversations. And then Iowa boy cornerback from Iowa Cooper to gen. Those are
• 39:34
  the six in the top twenty five. Okay, okay, So I would
• 39:38
  maybe tend to take the under on that, knowing that not all of those
• 39:44
  players will be drafted at that particular position sure in terms of draft stock one,
• 39:51
  two, three, four, five, whatever, And I don't know,
• 39:57
  I just I don't know. Even though the Big Ten won the now
• 40:00
  National championship technically with Michigan winning it. I don't know that. I don't
• 40:07
  know that the Big Ten has enough talent to break that five and a half
• 40:09
  number I think. I mean, I even before hearing your guess and your
• 40:15
  reasoning, I would still have said I'm gonna take the over. I think
• 40:20
  five and a half. I think that national championship is going to make more
• 40:25
  players pop out and tape. One of the questions I asked Dustin Baker last
• 40:30
  week was, you know occasionally college teammates get drafted together to the same NFL
• 40:36
  team. I think there's gonna be people who have been scouting JJ McCarthy and
• 40:39
  they're gonna find somebody else on the Wolverines team that they're like, oh,
• 40:45
  he's really good. And the media hasn't caught on, but maybe enough teams
• 40:50
  have caught on that, Yeah, they're gonna fight over this offensive lineman or
• 40:54
  whoever. I don't know their team well enough, but I think that could
• 40:59
  sneaky. He makes some more inflated numbers in the first round for the Big
• 41:02
  Ten. Yeah, I'm just gonna say the over. I don't I don't
• 41:07
  feel comfortable enough saying a certain number, like oh, there's gonna be seven
• 41:10
  or ten or however many. I just say it's gonna be the over five
• 41:14
  and a half. Yeah, I'm still taking the under. I don't know.
• 41:16
  I think other conferences are stronger. I'm not the I'm not the biggest
• 41:22
  college football fan, but I'm gonna go with the the under on that as
• 41:27
  well. I think especially the SEC is stronger. And I mean there's some
• 41:34
  good Big twelve schools in there as well. Texas has some good players out
• 41:39
  there, Missouri has some good players out there, and there's some good ACC
• 41:45
  schools too. Obviously UNC has some good stuff. Shoot, the PAC twelve.
• 41:51
  PAC twelve really put itself out there this year, kind of its last
• 41:55
  year of prominence, but there's some good players from out West Washington in particular.
• 42:01
  So I don't know, like the I like the the prominence of the
• 42:08
  other conferences. I think I'll take the under on that. Another bet that
• 42:14
  you've got to hear total wide receivers in the first round, which no one's
• 42:19
  really talking about because we've really only talked about the quarterbacks. Yeah, well,
• 42:22
  I mean you and I we talked about two of the wide receivers already.
• 42:27
  I mean, maybe arguably the best player in the whole draft, Marvin
• 42:31
  Harrison Junior and then Malik Neighbors, who I've heard on Twitter like some teams
• 42:37
  think Neighbors is better than Marvin Harrison Junior. Like, I don't have an
• 42:42
  opinion on that, but those guys, those two guys are definitely top ten.
• 42:45
  Yeah, for sure. I think those are the top two. For
• 42:51
  sure. I think Harrison Junior and Neighbors are the top two receivers. You've
• 42:55
  got Brian Thomas Junior, who's up there from LSU, teammate of Midlik Neighbors,
• 43:04
  some good guys from Texas, Georgia, South Carolina. I don't know,
• 43:10
  there are some There are some good wide receivers in this draft, and
• 43:15
  they've they've had good quarterbacks throwing to them, which isn't surprising in this draft,
• 43:21
  right. So Draft Kings has the over under on total wide receiver total
• 43:24
  wide receivers in the first round at six and a half. So yeah,
• 43:30
  I feel like that's a good number. I'm just gonna go ahead and guess
• 43:36
  I'll go first this time. I'm going to take the under on this.
• 43:39
  I think that the quarterbacks and the two top wide receivers have taken up so
• 43:45
  much attention and so much media attention which bleeds into the betting odds and everything
• 43:52
  that a lot of these defensive players and even offensive linemen have gone a little
• 44:00
  under the radar, at least in terms of the media and the casual,
• 44:04
  you know, Monday morning quarterbacks. Like us, the teams know who the
• 44:08
  good players are, they know who they're comfortable with, they have their draft
• 44:12
  boards. I think it's going to be under on wide receivers. I think
• 44:15
  there's going to be more defensive players than we think. I agree with that.
• 44:20
  I'm going to take the under on wide receivers as well. I think
• 44:25
  obviously the draft class of quarterbacks is huge, yeah, and I think for
• 44:32
  better or for worse, I think teams will play into the media hype surrounding
• 44:37
  these quarterbacks, and there might be a team or two or even three that
• 44:43
  fall victim to the hype oh and a particular quarterback and draft them just because
• 44:49
  that's what the hype was all about. Yeah, and then they'll be the
• 44:53
  New York Giants struggling to really justify keeping this guy around, you know,
• 45:00
  and paying him forty or forty five or whatever, you know, after he's
• 45:05
  around for a little bit. So I think all of that to say,
• 45:09
  there are a lot of quarterbacks in the draft. I think some teams that
• 45:13
  are really desperate. Hopefully it's not the Vikings will we'll pick up a quarterback
• 45:20
  Pennix bow Nicks, and there's a handful of others that are. I know,
• 45:23
  Spencer Rattler has been a name, it's been out there. He's I
• 45:28
  mean even kind of a sneaky pick for the Vikings so to speak. I
• 45:32
  sure wrote not. I watched the high school documentary of his when he was
• 45:37
  a high school quarterback, and I just remember shaking my head the whole time.
• 45:44
  Yeah, man, that kid. I just hope he doesn't end up
• 45:49
  we're in purple. I'll tell you what, whoever the Vikings pick, it'll
• 45:54
  be telling on if the PR team or the media relations to team release that
• 46:00
  like sneaky cool draft room video of like the team KOC and Quacy realizing like,
• 46:08
  oh, hey, this quarterback's available, we're getting them. I'm really
• 46:13
  interested to see their reactions and if they're like whoa, yes and high fiving
• 46:16
  hey JJ or hey whoever, we can't wait to have you here. We're
• 46:21
  so excited, like people, you know, setting off streamers in there or
• 46:24
  if it's like, oh, hey, Bonix, we can't wait to have
• 46:30
  you on the team, Like I think that'll be telling. And what will
• 46:34
  be most telling is if they don't release one of those videos, you know.
• 46:36
  Yeah, but to derail it a little bit more, what do we
• 46:40
  say total wide receivers or no, that's not where we were at? Where
• 46:44
  were we at? I totally we were on wide receivers, even though I
• 46:46
  kind of shifted it back to quarterbacks. Yeah, my point was there are
• 46:50
  just it's a saturated market of quarterbacks. I think even non super quarterback needy
• 46:59
  teams may fall victim to so of these other quarterbacks just because it is so
• 47:04
  good and it's been so hyped up for so long now. I think that
• 47:07
  will diminish the wide receiver market. I think when one position increases, the
• 47:15
  other one decreases. I think I'll take the under on total wide receivers at
• 47:20
  six and a half. I'll take six or less for sure. Well in
• 47:22
  quarterbacks again, if there's what as many as potentially what seven or so first
• 47:30
  round quarterbacks this year, I mean just the odds alone, you got to
• 47:34
  think maybe three of them are going to be good. Yeah, and who
• 47:38
  knows which three. Somebody is getting screwed. Some franchises are going to be
• 47:43
  set back a little bit, and hopefully it's not the Vikings. Like you
• 47:45
  said, so, the Vikings have been really back and forth in the media
• 47:52
  between Drake May and JJ McCarthy, and we've already kind of established, or
• 47:57
  at least I've established my thoughts on where the Vikings end up. I think
• 48:00
  they end up at three when it's all said and done. One of the
• 48:06
  betting odds here is JJ McCarthy's draft position, and Draft Kings has him at
• 48:13
  five and a half over under at five and a half. Where do you
• 48:15
  got him? I mean, man, unless all of this is with the
• 48:21
  caveat of if the media actually has an idea of what they're talking about,
• 48:24
  and this isn't like a mel Kiper will Levis situation from last year, because
• 48:30
  honestly, we could be looking at a first round I don't predict it,
• 48:35
  but theoretically, like JJ McCarthy might not go in the first round, like
• 48:37
  it would be a surprise to the media and everybody else, But like,
• 48:40
  holy cow, I can't believe he's available. You know, five and a
• 48:45
  half feels like a good number because yeah, I think. I mean,
• 48:49
  people are saying even the commanders are interested in him at two all the way
• 48:53
  down to you know, I've seen some legitimate mock drafts have the Viking sticking
• 49:00
  at eleven and still getting JJ McCarthy. So that gives you your average right
• 49:07
  there. I think the Patriots are going to try to convince everybody in the
• 49:09
  world that they are happy with either may or McCarthy, just so that they
• 49:15
  can get the best value. I man, five and a half is a
• 49:22
  good number. He's kind of a wild card. It's really interesting, Yeah,
• 49:24
  because and we've referenced this already, like he started in this draft conversation
• 49:30
  back in January February, right after the National Championship game, pretty low in
• 49:36
  the first round, and somehow he's catapulted into this top ten conversation. But
• 49:40
  there are still some doubts and there's still like there's the meme floating around of
• 49:45
  him and Zach Wilson and how much alike they look, and it's like,
• 49:51
  well, if they look like, maybe they play alike, and you know,
• 49:53
  like, well maybe there is some truth to that. I don't know.
• 49:57
  He handed the ball off a lot at Michigan. Didn't see a whole
• 50:00
  lot of him passing the ball, you know, Like, I don't know,
• 50:04
  he's an interesting wild card. Yeah, I think the hype behind him
• 50:07
  has built so much all of these guys, all these quarterbacks. Yeah,
• 50:14
  I take I take the over on that. So you think it'll be I
• 50:20
  don't know what that means. Do you think he'll be drafted after pick five
• 50:24
  or before pick that? Yeah? That's confusing. So say what you mean?
• 50:29
  I'm saying over in terms of he'll be drafted higher than Okay, so
• 50:32
  one of the four okay, so one, two, three, four,
• 50:36
  or five? Yeah, obviously three, four or five higher, meaning the
• 50:38
  higher draft. That's what I got it, got it, Okay. I
• 50:42
  mean I can't argue with that. I don't think anybody can. If he
• 50:45
  falls to five. The Chargers have the fifth pick right now. Yeah,
• 50:50
  and they're not picking a quarterback. But but their coach is Jim Harbaugh.
• 50:55
  They're not picking they can't. They can't pick a quarterback because because of the
• 50:59
  final obligation to Herbert, who, by the way, is actually a good
• 51:02
  quarterback. He is a good quarterback. But I mean maybe their GM has
• 51:07
  schemed something and he's he's crunched the numbers and he's figured out a way like,
• 51:12
  hey, well we'll move on from what we have now and we'll get
• 51:17
  this new guy in. And you already worked with him before, and it's
• 51:21
  a franchise, crippling cap hit to get rid of Justin Herbert, Like,
• 51:28
  I think it's around what was it? It's a lot. I know it's
• 51:30
  a lot, but I don't know. I I get what you're saying,
• 51:37
  and I agree with you. You can't predict fully anything. Anything could happen,
• 51:42
  like it would be the news story of the month of the offseason for
• 51:46
  the NFL if McCarthy went to the Chargers like they drafted him. Well,
• 51:52
  I mean, truth be told, the Bears, the Commanders, the Patriots,
• 51:57
  all of them could surprise everybody and go after him too. Maybe the
• 52:00
  Bears have some sense knocked into them and they realize that Cable Williams isn't the
• 52:05
  guy, and they're like, actually, this guy just won a national championship.
• 52:09
  He was really darn good. He's got everything we need. Maybe he's
• 52:16
  the route we go instead of the flashy number one pick guy that we've tried
• 52:22
  to go after the past couple of drafts. Yeah, or like I mean
• 52:25
  and this is conspiracy theory zone right here. But like, if you're sitting
• 52:30
  here thinking like, oh, man, Pennix is a generational talent and we
• 52:37
  have to get him at all costs, you know what, we should start
• 52:42
  leaking to the media, like, hey, we really like JJ McCarthy to
• 52:46
  really boost him up from a second rounder all the way to a top five
• 52:51
  pick. Like that's you never know, and you can't rule anything out,
• 52:54
  and we will never know. All will know is who is picked where yep,
• 52:59
  and after years will know who is good. It's all speculation until about
• 53:02
  forty eight hours from now, Yeah, and then we'll find out. I
• 53:06
  would say he will be drafted fifth or better. So I agree with you.
• 53:12
  So I think that would be the under, I said, though over,
• 53:16
  I don't know we I think we're communicating what we think it will be
• 53:21
  five orbit in terms of betting language, and I'm not I don't. I
• 53:25
  don't gamble, you do a little bit, A little bit, I don't
• 53:29
  at all. I think in terms of the gambling language, we would take
• 53:32
  the under because it would be the lower number. But in terms of draft
• 53:37
  language, we would take the higher because he would be drafted higher. And
• 53:40
  that's where I was coming from, So I will take the higher draft position.
• 53:46
  I think he will be drafted five or better. Got it? And
• 53:50
  that's what I'm going to type in our little uh you're keeping tull lying here?
• 53:53
  Yeah, because next week I do want to come back and say,
• 53:55
  hey, quick, let's go over our bets for what happened in the first
• 53:59
  round. So you got one more on the list here, and this one's
• 54:02
  a little closer to home here, Cooper to Jean Cornerback. Iowaha, guys,
• 54:08
  he did not wave the fair catch. It was not a fair catch.
• 54:15
  I think he did. It was not a fair catch. I think
• 54:17
  he did it. It was plain as day, not a fair catch.
• 54:21
  He was waving off his teammates. It was not a fair catch. You.
• 54:27
  You will never ever get me to think otherwise. I promise you that,
• 54:31
  like I would. You could convince me the Vikings are actually wearing blue
• 54:37
  this whole time before you could convince me he was waving a fair catch.
• 54:40
  This is good because I'm pretty sure at some point we were accused of always
• 54:45
  agreeing with each other. No, yeah, I'm gonna disagree with you pretty
• 54:49
  hard, Courier, because I watched the footage and I watched that replay several
• 54:53
  times and I saw the hand go up and around indicating the fair catch.
• 54:59
  Evan, can you just really quick remind me what state you were born in.
• 55:01
  I was born in mine. Thank you. You're obviously gonna say that
• 55:07
  he was waiving the fair catch because we playing the Gophers. Yeah, and
• 55:12
  that was That was a huge moment for the Gophers year. P J.
• 55:15
  Fleck and the Gophers need a huge moment just to beat anybody. So I
• 55:20
  guess, I guess the Ghosts can have that. They already took it.
• 55:22
  But he was not not waving for a fair catch. I disagree, and
• 55:29
  you're allowed to. And I love you. You're one of my closest friends.
• 55:31
  This will not end our friendship. And you're wrong. I still think
• 55:37
  he's a good player. I still think he's the salt of the earth.
• 55:40
  I've never heard a bad thing about him. Currently, Draft Kings has him
• 55:46
  at twenty two and a half. Who has the twenty second picked? You
• 55:51
  know, did you have a second in be the Eagles? Okay? Who
• 55:55
  has the twenty third? Because that's kind of what the NFL is saying currently
• 56:01
  it's the VIKR, so it could be the Patriots. Could be the Chargers,
• 56:07
  Yeah, could be the Vikings sticking at twenty three. Man, honestly,
• 56:13
  I would like him as a Viking. The Vikings need some help.
• 56:15
  They've always needed help in the defensive backfield. I think I've heard Degene might
• 56:22
  end up being more of a safety than a cornerback. I don't know if
• 56:24
  that's just the whole He's white thing. I don't Could he be the next
• 56:30
  Harrison Smith? Can you imagine just handing it off? I think we already
• 56:35
  have the handoff player. We have Josh Mattellis and cam Bine them like there's
• 56:38
  a couple of players that Harrison is grooming. Mittellis is definitely the Swiss army
• 56:45
  knife guy that Harrison Smith has, and we've spoken the praises of Mattellis so
• 56:50
  much. Hey, Josh Mittelis, come on our show. We love you.
• 56:52
  You're welcome, just like Harrison again. Just to throw it out there,
• 56:59
  but yeah, man, that's kind of funny that the Vikings have the
• 57:02
  twenty third pick, and that would technically be right where DraftKings is saying he's
• 57:07
  about looking to go. So I don't know that that's tough too. I
• 57:12
  think he'll be in the twenties, with the caveat of maybe he's a highly
• 57:16
  coveted I don't know that he is, but maybe he's a highly coveted player
• 57:20
  that somebody gets him in the teams knowing they're assuming it's going to be in
• 57:25
  the twenties. He could also be a candidate for that sneaky thirty second overall
• 57:31
  pick to be traded up for to grab him if he's still there. I
• 57:35
  was just thinking about that, you know what, Just for the sake of
• 57:38
  it, I'm gonna say the under, meaning that he will be drafted after
• 57:45
  the twenty second pick, So twenty three or beyond, I'm going to take
• 57:50
  the over. I'm gonna disagree with you. I'm gonna take the over.
• 57:53
  I think he drafts higher than twenty two. I think he's twenty two or
• 57:59
  better. Okay, which excludes the vikings. Currently, I think he's a
• 58:05
  good enough player. I think I think he is that Harrison Smith kind of
• 58:07
  guy, and the Hawkeyes used him in more ways than just cornerback. Oh.
• 58:15
  I think he was the return man. He was absolutely, I think
• 58:20
  he was the I don't know if he was for sure, but I would
• 58:23
  have to imagine he was the mic on defense. He was the guy with
• 58:28
  the the headset. Maybe maybe usually that's your your linebacker, And I say,
• 58:32
  I'm an Iowa fan, I should know this better. But I'd almost
• 58:37
  be surprised. But he's definitely one that could be. He was a leader
• 58:39
  on the leader on the defense, regardless of whether or not he actually had
• 58:45
  the headset in his helmet or not. So yeah, I like, I
• 58:51
  like Cooper to Gene going higher than twenty two. Yeah, let's see what
• 58:58
  happens. Be interesting. So yeah, well, next week we will come
• 59:00
  back to all of these and kind of rehash what we thought, what we
• 59:05
  bet, and what actually happened. Hey, friend of the show for est,
• 59:08
  you can start listening again. It's a long segment. We miss out
• 59:14
  on most of the episode. Yeah that's okay. Uh so question for you.
• 59:17
  We have our outline here kind of getting long in the tooth a little
• 59:22
  bit. So what do you think We have one more segment listed with a
• 59:25
  couple of topics. What do you think should we should we scrap that all
• 59:30
  together? Do we just use one topic? Are we keeping going? Is
• 59:34
  this an fit episode where we see how long it takes? I do have
• 59:37
  to edit after this true true and that betime. So there's it's two kind
• 59:44
  of trivia type questions, and I think we could do it quickly. I
• 59:46
  think we can do both of them quick Yeah. I think I can do
• 59:52
  the second one. Alm. Okay, okay, but I want you to
• 59:58
  do the first one, all right. So so the first one that you've
• 1:00:01
  got listed here, we need some like music here, like building and kind
• 1:00:07
  of yeah, jeopardy music. I'll throw that in in the post word.
• 1:00:10
  Actually, I'll hold you to it, all right. The last three first
• 1:00:16
  round quarterbacks for each NFC North team. Okay, so pretty specific here.
• 1:00:22
  I jotted down a start of some notes here, but I ran out of
• 1:00:27
  ideas pretty quickly, which is why I'm going to have you do this and
• 1:00:29
  not me. All right, all right, so I could almost say the
• 1:00:34
  year, and that might help me as well. I will go the other
• 1:00:37
  three teams and I'll finish off with the Vikings. I'm a little confident.
• 1:00:44
  I don't know. I don't know everybody, Okay, So I'll start with
• 1:00:49
  the Bears. Their last first round quarterback, Justin Fields. Before that,
• 1:00:54
  it was famously they really reached fired a lot of people because they d did
• 1:01:00
  Mitch Chubisky Mitchell and before that, we were in high school and it was
• 1:01:09
  good old REXI Rex Rex Grossman. The Bears are easy because they typically find
• 1:01:19
  themselves in I mean, every every team has their their stages, all right,
• 1:01:23
  So next up, and if you want, I think we have them
• 1:01:30
  listed somewhere. Next step, we'll go with the Lions. So most recently
• 1:01:40
  currently their their current starting quarterback is a first round quarterback. But they didn't
• 1:01:45
  draft. Yeah, Jared Goff was first overall to the Rams handful of years
• 1:01:51
  ago, so their most recent first round quarterback was a Stafford. It had
• 1:01:55
  to have been he was there forever before or that. Man, I don't
• 1:02:06
  know. It's for some reason, like Kelly Holcombe, but he didn't play
• 1:02:09
  for the Lions. Yeah, I'm not I'm not too sure. I don't
• 1:02:15
  know the the other two. They've been very bad for very long, but
• 1:02:20
  for a while they had a good stretch with Matt Stafford that they didn't have
• 1:02:22
  to pick a quarterback. So I think the second one you can get.
• 1:02:27
  It's we were in middle school. His name is recognizable, Yeah, and
• 1:02:34
  I can almost it's on the tip of my tongue. He wore like what
• 1:02:37
  number it was either like number three or number fourteen or something like that.
• 1:02:40
  Fourteen is why I think Kelly Holcombe. But it's not him, that's that's
• 1:02:45
  not It was three. Oh man, it's so close I can I can
• 1:02:50
  almost see it. Yeah, he wore number three. Man, it's one
• 1:02:55
  of those I won't be able to think of it. But the second I
• 1:02:59
  hear, it's gonna be like, dang it, I knew that. You're
• 1:03:00
  ready. Are you gonna tell me you want it? Yeah? Yeah?
• 1:03:04
  Joey Harrington, dang it, Harrington, dang it. Okay, I'm really
• 1:03:08
  upset with me. So I don't know that I could ever get the third.
• 1:03:12
  Is it like one of those like eighties or earlier type? You guys,
• 1:03:15
  this was the year we were born. I was born. Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  I never in a million years would I get that Andre where oh yeah yeah,
• 1:03:23
  nineteen ninety all right, so I'm I missed two so far. That's
• 1:03:29
  okay. For the Packers obviously got Jordan love yep and Aaron Rodgers and then
• 1:03:37
  I know Farv was a Falcon when he was drafted. I mean, it's
• 1:03:43
  not Bart Starr, is it? Like? No? I could not that
• 1:03:45
  far back? Yeah, yeah, I don't know Rich Campbell in nineteen eighty
• 1:03:51
  one. You could have given me a million guesses. Nope, yeah,
• 1:03:53
  I would have been in the same boat. I have the information in front
• 1:03:57
  of me, all right. Vikings were Vikings podcast. Take my Vikings fan
• 1:04:01
  card if I get this wrong. Most recent Teddy Bridgewater yep, twenty fourteen
• 1:04:09
  or eighteen. And then before that, very soon, very quickly before that
• 1:04:14
  was Christian Ponder twenty eleven, Good to old Lockout season. Yep. They
• 1:04:18
  tried the bridge quarterback thing with him and Donovu Nab but it didn't work.
• 1:04:24
  And before Ponder, I think the other first round quarterback. We have his
• 1:04:31
  signature and jersey right behind me, and that's his rookie card. Yeah,
• 1:04:34
  good old Dante Culpeper. Did he wear he he were number twelve, yeah,
• 1:04:41
  as a rookie start off with I don't know when he switched. So
• 1:04:44
  in this card in the display case here he's wearing number twelve. That's his
• 1:04:47
  rookie card. And then over here we've got to sign jersey number eleven.
• 1:04:51
  Yeah, so yep. Conteke Colepepper. Thank you to Big Top Ventures by
• 1:04:57
  the way for that Culpepper jersey. That's a sweet into the school cave.
• 1:05:00
  Yeah, for sure, I would have maybe gotten one, two, three,
• 1:05:06
  four or five. I would have gotten eight of those. Okay,
• 1:05:12
  you got a few more than I got. What I missed three out of
• 1:05:15
  twelve. You got all of the Bears. I missed two of the Lions,
• 1:05:20
  one of the one of the Packers. Yeah, you know, I'm
• 1:05:24
  okay with that. As an early nineties kid fan of the Vikings, I'm
• 1:05:29
  okay with missing three of twelve NFC North quarterbacks. All right, man,
• 1:05:36
  You and I famously attended the University of Northern Iowa. You and I attended.
• 1:05:42
  You and I. There's a there's a rocket summer called a song called
• 1:05:45
  U A and I. I think it's I don't know, anyways, I
• 1:05:49
  digress the panthers of you and I. We're small school FBS or FCS,
• 1:05:59
  FCS not FCS yesh division. It's technically now Division one, but it's like
• 1:06:03
  Division one A. Not a lot of highly touted players football players come out
• 1:06:10
  of our alma mater. Sometimes every once in a while, they get they
• 1:06:13
  get one. I want you to name there's a clear cut top three.
• 1:06:19
  And this isn't necessarily like the highest drafted players out of you and I,
• 1:06:25
  because there's only one first round pick, and that's kind of uh an asterisk
• 1:06:30
  to this question that I'm gonna ask. So the top three drafted, so
• 1:06:35
  like, not even drafted. So the top three NFL players to come from
• 1:06:41
  the University of Northern Iole the most successful NFL players, yes, to have
• 1:06:45
  played at Northern Iowa. And then I will add a fourth name as a
• 1:06:50
  caveat to say, who is the only first round pick from you and I.
• 1:06:55
  I don't know if I can get that third one, but I'm pretty
• 1:06:58
  confident I can get our arguably the top three NFL players to come out of
• 1:07:02
  you and I. All Right, so let's hear it. The first one
• 1:07:04
  is pretty obvious if you've followed his story at all. There's a major motion
• 1:07:10
  picture I haven't seen that. I haven't seen it either, but a fictionalized
• 1:07:14
  version of his story going from high vy grocery bagger to NFL superstar Kurt Warner.
• 1:07:21
  Kurt Warner won a Super Bowl, won a few Super Bowls, and
• 1:07:26
  a couple MVPs. I think he only won one Super Bowl. He led
• 1:07:30
  teams two different teams to a total of three Super Bowls in his career,
• 1:07:36
  and he won the first one, lost the second one as a Ram to
• 1:07:40
  the Patriots, and then lost the third one as a Cardinal for the Steelers.
• 1:07:45
  For some reason, I thought he won one with the Cardinals, but
• 1:07:47
  you're right, he only won that one with the Rams, the greatest show
• 1:07:51
  on turf his rookie No, not even his rookie year. It was his
• 1:07:57
  second seasons. That last second, the Titans were just short of getting it
• 1:08:03
  across the goal line and the Rams pulled it out. Ricky Proll, father
• 1:08:10
  of former Viking current what American Idol contestant Blake Prol, he caught a touchdown
• 1:08:17
  I believe in that Super Bowl with the with the Rams. Anyways, so
• 1:08:24
  there's a whole little shrine so to speak to Kurt Warner in the Unidome now
• 1:08:30
  the home stadium of the You and I Panthers. So he's arguably the greatest
• 1:08:39
  NFL player. I don't it's clear cut he is. Yes. I mean,
• 1:08:43
  when you win a Super Bowl, it's pretty obvious. It's multiple MVPs,
• 1:08:46
  like, yes, great player, great guy. He actually kind of
• 1:08:50
  hails from around this area, or at least has family around our area of
• 1:08:56
  Iowa, So that's kind of cool too, Yeah, yep, Kurt Warner's
• 1:09:00
  number one. Hall of Famer NFL Hall of Famer NFL has to be said.
• 1:09:05
  You just keep adding stuff. I mean, he's a great guy for
• 1:09:08
  sure. Number two so this is a fun story. I actually have newspaper
• 1:09:15
  proof that I ran against this guy in high school track and I ran faster
• 1:09:20
  than him. It's my only claim to fame. Okay, I have proof.
• 1:09:26
  I can show you. Let's see it. We gotta Instagram post this
• 1:09:29
  out. I'll post it out. I'll send you the picture. Number two
• 1:09:31
  would be David Johnson. Okay, I'm gonna argue with the order, but
• 1:09:35
  he's on the list. David Johnson. Yeah, so I suppose my list
• 1:09:41
  is unofficially sure in order. But David Johnson is the next guy that comes
• 1:09:45
  to mind. Clinton High School graduate, which is only about forty five minutes
• 1:09:49
  away from where we are currently in the Quad Cities. I ran track against
• 1:09:54
  him in high school and I have a newspaper clipping and I have a picture
• 1:09:58
  of it somewhere and I will send it to you and you we got to
• 1:10:00
  post that. My full permission to post it out that I ran faster than
• 1:10:05
  David Johnson. David Johnson in a four hundred dash. Yep, there was
• 1:10:10
  one season he was the clear cut every fantasy draft. He was without question
• 1:10:17
  the first overall pick in every fantasy draft. His rookie year, he did
• 1:10:21
  pretty well as a third round pick, a few hundred rushing yards, few
• 1:10:27
  hundred receiving yards I think like twelve touchdowns total. His second season he exploded.
• 1:10:33
  He had He had almost one thousand receiving yards, eight hundred and some
• 1:10:39
  as a running back, and then obviously like twelve hundred plus rushing yards.
• 1:10:44
  He was the next big thing. For a minute, everybody was saying he's
• 1:10:46
  the best running back in the NFL. He was phenomenal. And then the
• 1:10:50
  year after that he had like a wrist injury. He only played in one
• 1:10:54
  game that next year and never really came back after that. But Nan,
• 1:10:59
  he was exciting for a year and a half or so. He was in
• 1:11:02
  his prime when we were in college and we got to watch him play in
• 1:11:08
  college many many times, and he was fun to watch. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:13
  he could have. He could have played at bigger schools. I don't
• 1:11:15
  know. I think maybe just the area. We all grew up in the
• 1:11:18
  general area, not too highly touted, but as far as being recruited.
• 1:11:24
  But yeah, he exploded in college and then had some magical time in the
• 1:11:29
  NFL kind of petered out, which is sad to see. But yeah,
• 1:11:31
  definitely in this top three. And I think he's just he's an overall really
• 1:11:36
  really good guy. Oh yeah, open invitation, David Johnson. Come on,
• 1:11:42
  man, if you want to come on the school hob Yeah, come
• 1:11:45
  on, we'll have you. Absolutely, that'd be a lot of fun.
• 1:11:48
  That would be super cool. And I mean, if you're ever in the
• 1:11:51
  Clinton area, you're only a short ways away from the Quad Cities. So
• 1:11:56
  yeah, that's up. We'll look you up. Yeah, we got a
• 1:11:59
  microphone for you. Yeah, anytime. So number three and maybe this would
• 1:12:02
  be your absolutely my number two. This was before our time, but this
• 1:12:10
  man's legacy goes far beyond his playing days. In fact, I mentioned to
• 1:12:14
  you before we started recording. He's back in the Cedar Falls area. He's
• 1:12:18
  coaching as a member of the U and I football coaching staff, and his
• 1:12:24
  daughter is making a name for herself in high school track in the state of
• 1:12:29
  Iowa with Cedar Falls High School. This would be Bryce Pop. Bryce Pop.
• 1:12:34
  He did get drafted by the Bad guys. He was a Packer for
• 1:12:39
  a few years, yes, but after his rookie contract he signed with the
• 1:12:45
  Buffalo Bills, and his first year with them, he earned ap NFL Defensive
• 1:12:50
  Player of the Year, which is in a league maybe not as much back
• 1:12:56
  then in what ninety five, but a league that fail the NFL MVP to
• 1:13:00
  be a quarterback or at least an offensive player, that Defensive Player of the
• 1:13:04
  Year is the MVP of defense. So that's a very highly touted award.
• 1:13:10
  And if not for Kurt Warner, having a player who won NFL Defensive Player
• 1:13:15
  of the Year is he's instantly your best player in program history. And I
• 1:13:20
  remember being a student at you and I seeing more hype around Bryce Pop around
• 1:13:28
  the Unidome area, the athletics area than I did Kurt Warner. I feel
• 1:13:32
  like Kurt Warner's rise to fame didn't really solidify itself until we were graduated and
• 1:13:40
  gone. Yeah, it would have been like the year before we started college
• 1:13:44
  when he went to the Super Bowl with the Cardinals. And I think Kurt
• 1:13:48
  Warner retired from the NFL while mid college years for us, and I remember
• 1:13:56
  thinking at the time, I think it's definitely changed now, Kurt Warner really
• 1:14:00
  felt distant from you and I. There was like one little area in like
• 1:14:04
  the main trophy case that listed out his accolades and stuff, but other than
• 1:14:10
  that, you never heard like, oh, Kurt Warner is going to be
• 1:14:13
  at this event or anything like that. It just he seemed distant. And
• 1:14:16
  maybe I just read that wrong. Maybe he has been a full supporter of
• 1:14:19
  our school his entire life. I don't know, but it definitely feels different
• 1:14:25
  now. He definitely seems more open and included now in the school. I
• 1:14:29
  think his relationship with the school has changed in the last decade and a half
• 1:14:34
  or so, but to that point, and I think what you're trying to
• 1:14:36
  get at, Bryce Pop was definitely more prevalent. Yeah at our school,
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  Yes, for sure. So he did end his career with the Vikings.
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  In the year two thousand, he played with the Vikings, which is kind
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  of interesting. I didn't know that Bryce Pop. You ever want to come
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  on the school, I just I will. I will always think of poping
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  of Bills. Yeah, oh yeah, Well, and that was his best
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  year. He had like seventeen sacks, a few interceptions. Obviously, NFL
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  Defensive Player of the Year Yeah, he didn't have a super long career,
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  I think ten years, which is actually pretty long for NFL players, but
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  he definitely flashed and made a difference in the league and touted that you and
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  I paint their name. So all of this begs the question. I haven't
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  researched this one, IOTA, so I have no idea, But are there
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  any You and I players in the upcoming draft making a name for themselves possibly
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  could make their way into an NFL roster? There is there is one guy
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  who I feel like there was one. I just can't remember his name,
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  and I don't remember his position. He's a defensive lineman, and I feel
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  really bad that I don't know his name off the top of my head.
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  While you're working on that, Just a quick update because I know you've been
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  following this since we since before we started recording. The Timberwolves beat the Suns.
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  They did. Yeah, they're two and zero in the playoffs. I'm
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  a famous fair Weather other Minnesota sports team fan, so yeah, really excited.
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  It was definitely the best Timberwolves season in a long time. Yes,
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  in our lifetime, yep, one of them. Not in our lifetime.
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  I mean, you gotta think back to the Kevin Garnett days. The frustrating
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  part was in those days, late nineties early two thousands, they were always
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  getting beat by the Lakers in the first round because it was Kobe and Shaq.
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  Oh yeah, so so okay, I found it and I'm really sorry
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  to Christian Boyd current you and I Panther or you know, NFL draft prospect.
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  What are they saying. I think he's one of those that's gonna go
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  relatively early ish in the draft. I think they're thinking the first couple of
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  rounds, probably not a first round picked pick, but second or third for
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  sure, which is exciting. Every once in a while you see a U
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  and I Panther be touted as a potential NFL player, and they're I mean,
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  while coached, they're fairly competitive. They're usually at the top of the
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  Missouri Valley Conference or near the top behind South Dakota State North Dakota State.
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  And so yeah, you gotta think that there are some you and I players
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  out there that are grabbing some team's attention in the draft, and maybe more
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  than just Christian Boyd. And I think this conversation would be understated if we
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  didn't mention l j Fort's name. He was a fellow classmate at the University
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  of Ours. I don't think either of us really ever had a class with
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  him, but he attended the University of what we did, yep, And
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  he played in the NFL up until a couple of seasons ago. He was
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  a Steeler for a while. I mean he bounced around a little bit.
• 1:18:15
  He was a Steeler. I think the Steelers and when did he end his
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  career. The Ravens were the teams that he had the most success with.
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  We could probably look that up too, And I know for a minute he's
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  a linebacker, but he kind of bounced around. At one point. He
• 1:18:32
  tried to make a team as a full back, I think with the Seahawks,
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  but he made some starts with the Steelers, made some starts with the
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  Ravens. He was one of those maybe you could define him as a bridge
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  type player, starter level unless there was somebody better, but he was still
• 1:18:55
  pretty good. I think his first game in the NFL he intercepted Mike Vic
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  when LJ was a member of the Browns, which is pretty pretty exciting to
• 1:19:05
  say, Like, I'm sure he if it was me, I would still,
• 1:19:09
  you know, for the rest of my life. Like, hey,
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  one of my first first games ever, I intercepted Michael Vick. Like he
• 1:19:15
  did bounce around a little bit. But he had a couple of decent stints
• 1:19:18
  with teams, and I think injury is ultimately what ended his career. But
• 1:19:26
  yeah, you've got his his stats up here. He's definitely an honorable mention
• 1:19:30
  in terms of that top Oh absolutely, and maybe outside of Kurt Warner and
• 1:19:36
  Bryce Pop. I mean he may have ended up playing more games than David
• 1:19:43
  Johnson ninety one total career games, yeah, and ninety one started. So
• 1:19:49
  yeah, he was never a fill in. He was always a starter.
• 1:19:51
  Every game he played, he started. That's crazy. In the league,
• 1:19:55
  that's awesome. The Browns, the Bengals, the Steelers for three seasons,
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  and the for two seasons. And I know he had a few non regular
• 1:20:03
  season stints with other teams. I think he was with the Patriots for as
• 1:20:08
  a practice squad player, the Broncos, the Seahawks, Yeah, Seahawks,
• 1:20:12
  Broncos, Yep, you are correct. Yeah, that l J. Ford
• 1:20:15
  is always someone I you know, was aware of when he was playing,
• 1:20:21
  and it was fun to to know that somebody my age from my college was
• 1:20:29
  still playing in the NFL. It was fun to watch that. Definitely had
• 1:20:31
  like less than six degrees of separation. Oh absolutely, l J Ford for
• 1:20:35
  sure, I had. I have less than six degrees separation from David Johnson
• 1:20:41
  too, So it's kind of fun to to think about. But man,
• 1:20:45
  that'd be cool to have David on the on the pod. That'd be awesome.
• 1:20:48
  Well, we could probably pull some Oh I could pull some strangs.
• 1:20:53
  Let's let's do that. I know we can. We can be unashamed.
• 1:20:56
  Oh yeah, fellow, you and I Panthers, Yeah we're no. But
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  hey, really quick, can you think of who the only first round pick
• 1:21:04
  for the Panthers, You and I Panthers has been recent like within the last
• 1:21:09
  three drafts, within the last three drafts, so within the last three years.
• 1:21:15
  I feel like I'm gonna be really really I'm gonna I'm gonna feel dumb
• 1:21:21
  for not knowing. No, no, because he's not like a flashy position.
• 1:21:26
  It's not a quarterback or anything. Was it a can you give me
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  offense defense, special teams, offense, offense, offensive lineman, offensive lineman.
• 1:21:39
  I feel like I can picture him, even if you could only name
• 1:21:43
  the team that he was drafted to. I don't even know if I could
• 1:21:45
  do that, hmm, But once you say it, I'm gonna be like,
• 1:21:49
  of course, Trevor Penning, of course to the Saints. Yeah,
• 1:21:57
  yeah, that does make sense. I remember that name. Now. I
• 1:22:00
  believe that he's still there. He is. I believe he was drafted in
• 1:22:05
  twenty twenty two, so not even I mean two drafts ago. I know
• 1:22:15
  he's had some injury and performance a little bit has been an issue. He
• 1:22:20
  is not a current starter, but he's still really young and has a lot
• 1:22:25
  of potential and a first round pick from our college, which has literally never
• 1:22:30
  happened outside of him before. So okay, that's something they're write home about.
• 1:22:33
  Oh. Absolutely, And I remember him playing for You and I.
• 1:22:36
  I mean I've followed you and I sports football and basketball mostly since graduation.
• 1:22:43
  And yeah, You and I is always in the mix in the conference.
• 1:22:47
  Yeah, and then they typically find themselves, at least in football and men's
• 1:22:53
  basketball, they find themselves in the postseason, and then they typically make an
• 1:22:59
  exit, yeah, at some point, which is unfortunate. But yeah,
• 1:23:05
  definitely remember Trevor Penning playing on some of those U and I teams in the
• 1:23:12
  past. And yeah, hopefully he can keep going. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:23:16
  well, I mean he'll get traded the Vikings that become Hey, Vikings apparently
• 1:23:21
  have yet to fill their guard needs yet, unless darn Reisner has been just
• 1:23:27
  sitting there waiting, unless Blake Brandell turns out to be a pretty decent starter,
• 1:23:31
  or they do something in the draft, I don't know. Well,
• 1:23:38
  regardless of what we've talked about, Yeah, we will have to settle for
• 1:23:43
  whatever happens. And not that long from now. Yeah, we can only
• 1:23:46
  spectate, and by the time we record next we'll have a whole lot more
• 1:23:50
  information, and we'll know a lot more about who the Vikings have picked,
• 1:23:56
  what the trajectory of the franchise looks like. Kind of from here on out,
• 1:24:01
  we're gonna have a lot to talk about. In a week we have,
• 1:24:03
  We had a lot to talk about tonight. We've been talking about all
• 1:24:06
  this stuff for months and it seems like so it'll be nice to have some
• 1:24:13
  news. It'll be nice to be able to react to some of the things
• 1:24:15
  rather than just continue to speculate and speculate and speculate. But I'm excited.
• 1:24:21
  It's gonna be good. I can't wait. I'm I'm pumped. I just
• 1:24:27
  I can't think of the words to say how excited I am for the draft.
• 1:24:30
  Here's my question for you. Are you gonna go to the store and
• 1:24:33
  get a reclaimed rails blood orange wheat? Absolutely? This was delicious. You
• 1:24:39
  can tell if you're watching. My glass is empty and mine is nearly empty.
• 1:24:44
  This was a really good beer. I liked it a lot, very
• 1:24:46
  I think refreshing. If I can only use one word to describe it,
• 1:24:49
  refreshing, is that word? What is it? Six point four percent?
• 1:24:55
  So I was gonna guess it was You'll have to hear just because of the
• 1:24:58
  light flavor, like the refreshing and light flavor. But six point four this
• 1:25:01
  thing's holding its own. It's man, it's a summertime beer. This is
• 1:25:06
  This is delicious. I love it a lot. Is it like hang out
• 1:25:11
  on the dock at the end of the day of like being out in the
• 1:25:15
  boat fishing or whatever, tubing, skiing. I could see myself mowing the
• 1:25:19
  lawn, yeah, and coming inside and cooling off with one of these,
• 1:25:25
  sitting on the back porch. Yeah, one of these. Yeah. Hey,
• 1:25:28
  speaking of sitting on the back porch, we're about to within the next
• 1:25:30
  few weeks, do that and tap the skull Hot beer. That's right.
• 1:25:36
  So yeah, well we'll film some of that. Oh yeah, we'll have
• 1:25:41
  some footage of that, and we're inviting some of our inner circle to that,
• 1:25:45
  which we're excited about. And yeah, well we'll release a more complete
• 1:25:53
  video related to the skull Hot beer that we brewed. I think I got
• 1:25:58
  the bottle here. Oh yeah, yeah, we got a few happy American
• 1:26:02
  ale so still has a little bit of liquid and don't do it. It's
• 1:26:09
  been a few weeks there of definitely won't do that, but uh yeah,
• 1:26:14
  we're excited for that and we're excited to share that with the world. And
• 1:26:18
  hopefully it's not the only time that we brew some beer. Oh it won't
• 1:26:23
  be. I promise you that. I promise you that. Maybe we can
• 1:26:27
  have some variations. But yeah, all right, man, where can people
• 1:26:30
  find us? Everywhere? Everywhere? Just google us the school hop you're gonna
• 1:26:38
  find us. Yeah, we've got a website, we've got Facebook, we've
• 1:26:41
  got Twitter, we've got pretty much any other social media known to me.
• 1:26:45
  And we're pretty active on Twitter. I know you've you worked really hard to
• 1:26:50
  keep our interactions up on Twitter. Yeah, mostly give us a follow everywhere.
• 1:26:55
  I mean Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok TikTok at it. Yep,
• 1:27:00
  just find us and if you interact with us, we can pretty much
• 1:27:05
  guarantee that we will interact back with you. Absolutely hit us up and start
• 1:27:12
  a conversation. Let's see where this goes. We love talking about beer,
• 1:27:15
  we love talking about the Vikings, we love talking about football in general.
• 1:27:19
  So yeah, we would be happy to engage in any sort of conversation that
• 1:27:26
  you might want to engage with us. And so absolutely find us and hit
• 1:27:30
  us up. I enjoyed this beer a lot. Obviously you did too,
• 1:27:34
  because yours is gone. I have just a little bit left. I was
• 1:27:39
  saving some for Oh man, we get school to the school. But would
• 1:27:43
  you get this again? Oh, one hundred percent. We just hashed all
• 1:27:45
  that out. Yeah, I know you did. I'm just reaffirming yes,
• 1:27:48
  yes, and and based off of this I would get some more reclaimed rails
• 1:27:54
  like that. There were a few others the other cans on the shelf at
• 1:27:58
  you and I, so yeah, you and I. I don't know why
• 1:28:00
  I said this is such a good beer that you thought that we were back
• 1:28:03
  in college, all right, man, we hashed it all out. We
• 1:28:09
  got some rehashing topics to talk about next week after the first round, after
• 1:28:14
  the whole draft. Really can't wait. I'm excited until next time. School
• 1:28:18
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