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Omnibus! Earthshock - featuring Pete Lambert · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hello again, Joe here, and this is another omnibus, this time
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  from way back at the start of Hamster with Blonde Penknife.
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  It's like 3 years ago, 3 1/2 years ago, the very first
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  recording I did with the glorious Pete Lambert where we
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  discussed Earthshop, which is one of his absolute favourites.
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  Honestly, it was like we'd known each other for years By the end
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  of that call. Absolutely glorious
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  conversation. I will apologise about the sound
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  quality. This is the early days of
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  Hamster where I hadn't quite figured out how to get the sound
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  right. Didn't really care one or the
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  other. I didn't think anyone was going
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  to listen, so I don't think I put too much effort into it.
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  But yeah, so poor Pete does sound like he's in a in a toilet
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  recording, unfortunately, but it's still perfectly like
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  legible and really enjoyable. I hope you enjoy it a lot.
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  Revisiting this one has been an absolute joy.
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  So yeah, all four episodes of Earth Shock.
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  Enjoy. A.
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  Hamster with a blunt penknife for doing.
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  Quicker, quicker, quicker. Quicker.
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  Welcome back to Hamster with a Blunt Pen Knife, the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. Yeah, I have got my you know, I
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  can see you laughing. I have got my mouth around that
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  neck. Oh, sorry, that's disgusting.
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  I should start again, but I'm going to keep.
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  Spoken yet, I. Know I'm, I'm going to, I'm
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  going to keep going. I am here today with I'm going
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  to call you a very special guest because I am because two
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  separate people contacted me and said you have got to get this
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  guy on your podcast. Your name is Pete Lambert.
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  Why don't you say hello Pete and introduce yourself.
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  Off you go. Hello, I'm Pete and I've
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  contacted you twice using two of my aliases because I really want
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  to be on this podcast. That's not actually true.
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  I'm not organised enough to do that, but it's yeah, so I'm I'm
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  on Twitter as Prof under score quite a mess.
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  I sometimes go on track one. Podcast.
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  And sometimes go on flight to entirety.
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  And I love Doctor Who, and the story that we're on today is
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  right at my right at the genesis of my Doctor Who found them.
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  This is this is me turning from a kid who likes watching Doctor
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  Who into someone who's spending all of his pocket money on it,
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  basically for the rest of his life.
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  How old were you when you first watched this?
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  I was 7/7 and 1/2, so you know and we've just had we've got a
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  Riddle. So the show's all new.
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  It's the cast's all young and this was the series that really
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  got me into it. I'd watched the five faces
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  repeats before so I knew this show was all about change.
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  But ultimately it's about a happy family and and and they do
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  a bit of bickering but they're exploring universe and there's
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  one character and it's quite a lot like me and it's really fun
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  seeing him going around with his with his stupid hair Decker and
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  his terrible pyjamas and. I bet he's going to have a happy
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  ending, isn't he? Oh, every, every.
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  At the end of every episode. He's always so happy.
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  And at the end of this one, I know he's going to be super
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  happy. He.
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  He. Is because he wants to have more
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  Avengers in space. Although he did enjoy the buffet
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  in Black Orchid's previous story, he was blowing my mind as
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  a 7 year old that that two weeks ago we had terrelep tools
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  causing the plague of London. Then suddenly every next, next
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  week, and this is, you know you're getting two episodes a
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  week. It's your Monday and Tuesday
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  after school at RFT after school and and and suddenly everyone's
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  doing an Agatha Christie. And Andrea's just enjoying his,
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  the best buffet he's ever had. And I'm glad about that, because
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  it might be the last buffet he's.
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  Ever. Oh, bless.
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  You it's Do you know? What is it?
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  Is it's a season? Isn't it which kind of
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  slingshots between genres like dramatically?
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  Yeah. Were you even?
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  Born tell me. What was it, 8081?
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  Yeah, yeah, Spring 82. So I was two.
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  So yeah, I I, I. My first Doctor episode was
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  Battlefield episode 2, so I came in a bit late, so I didn't.
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  I wasn't even have to watch it for.
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  Episode One. Where were you for episode one?
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  The lowest ever ratings of the classic series?
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  If you turned it a week earlier, it might it.
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  May have survived. I know, I know.
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  Do you know what, though? I remember seeing Battlefield 2,
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  and I don't remember seeing any of the rest of that season
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  because that traumatised me so much.
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  I was convinced that the girl, that's all I knew her as had
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  drowned And that was enough, my mum.
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  So when the series end, I knew it had come to an end because my
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  friends were talking about it and I was like, well, I'll
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  start, you know, I'm a year older.
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  The next time it's coming on. Oh wait.
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  Yeah, it's not coming. Back, yeah.
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  Comes back every year. 2005, That was a long, bloody wait.
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  I said no. Sorry, 1996.
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  And they never and they never did explain what happened to
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  her. But I did read those new
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  adventures in between, and I really wish I hadn't.
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  But I at least I found out what happened.
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  To. Her.
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  Oh, you did? Oh, OK, look, before we start,
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  I'd also have to say please, please, please do yourself a
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  favour, send your children out of the room and go and find the
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  Trial of Time Lord podcast episode that Pete was on
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  defending. God rest his soul.
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  Time Lash, which I heard today and laughed my head off.
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  It is extremely X races. So.
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  Yeah, make sure that there is no family around you, but that's
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  that was a lot of fun. I I can only assume.
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  Thank you. Yeah.
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  Who Who Trial is, is sadly no longer with us as a podcast.
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  He has retired. I don't.
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  I think I might have. I might have.
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  Scared him off for good because I defended Time Flash.
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  Time Flash. And then I was determined to go
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  on it and and defend all from 55.
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  That's another podcast. Greatest episode ever.
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  That's another thing that that's not for now, all right.
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  Not the greatest episode. You know what, Pete?
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  No one. No one's chosen a Jody yet, so
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  we will talk. If we're still speaking in 90
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  minutes time, put me on your list.
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  Because I haven't. Offended you.
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  You you could not do that. OK, well, I am queued up and
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  ready to go into shock. Episode one, if you are let's.
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  Do it, Yeah. I'll count as in, then in 54321.
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  Let's go these. Tiles.
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  Anything more 80s than these tiles?
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  I know, and it's so funny that they Davidson they have, they
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  had to come up with something because of his hair not being
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  all curly like Tom Baker's hair was, which was the original
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  inspiration for this title sequence.
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  It was such Tom Baker was like. Such a vivid silhouette, wasn't
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  he that kind of curly hair? Yeah, it's just everything is
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  grown, rising. He's.
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  Too young to be doctor? Yeah, what?
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  Would you think of Peter Davidson as the Doctor?
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  No, at the time it was just perfect.
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  It was like, yeah. His new era, it's the 80s.
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  He's so young. It's awesome.
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  And so I'm never really shaking that off straight away.
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  The music here is just so sinister and foreboding.
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  It's it's Malcolm Clarke, isn't it?
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  And I find his scores go from the Sea Devils to Enlightenment,
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  which is like a huge difference. And yeah, and and just
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  incredible that they span those different eras, because I
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  wouldn't. I remember what, you know what
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  it is as a kid I thought, oh, it's not like, oh, old in the
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  70s old stuff. It's all it's all new now.
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  But actually these people have really got the hang of this.
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  Is this this the helmet, The helmets?
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  The. Helmets.
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  The earth shock helmets. They should be.
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  They should I. I want these in the new series.
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  Why haven't we had earth shock helmets?
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  I. Swear they turn up again though,
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  aren't they in like Frontiers again?
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  And try the Time Lord. And the Dafro's slaves are all
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  there. Oh.
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  Yeah, of course they are. Yeah, there's another.
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  One I. Think there's another one.
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  I mean, they must have shown up in Blake 7 at some point.
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  They were swapping. Flops all the time.
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  I think I'll be too late for Blake Seven with this.
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  Yeah, actually I think you're right.
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  Now let's have a a. Proper, proper big clackety
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  machine with proper clackety keyboards.
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  None. None of this.
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  Waving your hand in the air. This is like the only the only
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  location work in the whole story, isn't it?
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  Yeah, yeah. And it looks so good on the
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  Blu-ray because I don't know if they got the original film still
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  but it, but it just it really takes you there.
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  I'm watching the the SD version, the cranky out version, so it
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  still looks. Good keeping it old school.
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  Oh, this fella. What's his name?
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  James Warwick. Is that his name he plays?
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  With the moustache. Yeah, he's so marvellous.
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  And he's as. Soon as I see him now, I think,
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  oh, he's the Brigadier, he's, he's a future Brigadier, isn't
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  he? I don't know if that was
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  deliberate at the time. Maybe, Maybe.
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  I I love his performance when he's down in The Cave.
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  So he he gives like a stratospheric.
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  With that. Mustache.
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  With that mustache, you could probably appear in some other
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  80s videos as well. I think I've seen a few.
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  Was it if I could? Go to Hollywood Video.
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  Probably in that. Oh, so sorry.
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  I was talking about completely different types of videos there.
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  I'll be quiet. So this woman, Professor Kyle,
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  Yeah, she's very peripheral to this story, isn't she?
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  Yeah, she's. And you think you might think
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  this story is going to be her, her story?
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  But. So spooky things in the dark.
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  Spooky dogs. Spooky robots in the caves, she
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  But they're all there to set this up and to make it real and
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  like. I love all that.
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  I mean, you can tell where it's. All going down again must be
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  hard. That's he realises that going
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  down again must be hard and he should now with that mustache.
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  Have you ever heard that line before?
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  I think we probably both. But with this, all this hardware
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  on display, lots of soldiers. It's got Eric's award stamped
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  all over. It doesn't.
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  It it really has, yeah. You've got but.
• 10:18
  You know, again, it's not, it's not aliens got to it's it's.
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  But yeah, this is this is a new era, just really finding its
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  feet. You put it in the room that
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  jumps around and you've watched Kinder lately and like, you're
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  saying, you know, black. This is the episode after Part 2
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  of Black. Orchid it just isn't it.
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  Preposterous that it's the same show.
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  What other TV show Fantastic has done this like has jumped about
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  in Toad and style so much? Yeah.
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  And I think for the kids like me who watched the Five Faces
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  season before where it was the repeat where it was like
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  Carnival and monsters and Vadapolis and the the Crotons,
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  they were all really different styles.
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  So that sort of maybe warmed us up ready for a season that was
• 11:00
  going to be just so different. I'll.
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  Tell you what this is doing as well.
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  It's lots of really short scenes, isn't it like?
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  Yeah. You skip back just like one or
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  two seasons and you've got these really long, talky sort of
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  dialogue scenes. Whereas I think what I was
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  watching the special features Peter Greenway, the infamous
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  Peter Grim Wade, saying, you know, that he had like maybe 150
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  like set ups for one episode. Yeah, yeah, it's it's just
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  inconceivable that they decided to do this and and for for four
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  episodes of of the TV series and they and got away with it and
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  that it that it all lands. Here's your favorite.
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  Yeah, I. Hope he's going to be here for
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  years. He's growing up, you see.
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  Did did you have a star chart on your bedroom wall like that Was
• 11:51
  Is this like a realistic depiction of your bedroom at the
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  time? Oh God the.
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  Fuck it is. Well he's got a kind of gorge
• 12:02
  thing behind him left that I don't quite recognise, but and I
• 12:05
  and I didn't have those. I wish I could have those
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  triangle space walls. Do you know I only got the?
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  Sorry, do you know where those triangles first came from?
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  Do you know the story they first appeared in?
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  Because they they're a regular feature.
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  It's Pertwee. It's season nine.
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  It's the Mutants they first appeared in the Mutants on the
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  Skybase. They are.
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  The legacy of the Mutants, that's fantastic.
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  I knew they've been around forever, but they're on the
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  adventure game as well. I watched a bit of that brick
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  box the other day. What's that?
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  What's the adventure game? So that that's that was a sort
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  of games that we'd the science fiction themed game show Chris
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  Show that was done in the early 80s, around the same time as
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  this where people guests like Maggie Philbin and Keith Chegwin
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  had to do. It was basically like The
• 12:47
  Crystal Maze, but really, really slow and without The Crystal or
• 12:50
  The Maze. But that was coming off of it.
• 12:52
  They had the strong puzzles. It's like an escape room.
• 12:54
  It was a. Low stakes, escape room.
• 12:56
  But at the end, you had the thing where you get zapped by
• 12:57
  lasers and like, oh, we're really sorry, Keith Checkman
• 13:01
  died this. Week and you?
• 13:02
  Tune into Saturday Superstore just to check he was really
• 13:05
  actually you had actually survived his visit to that
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  planet. So maybe a little bit too young
• 13:10
  for that. Did you see that?
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  That's it okay. That's it.
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  Had running water going down it to kind of show that it was a
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  cave in a cave. Yeah, and it's so dark.
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  People. Got early 80s.
• 13:20
  It's so overlit, not with a bit of grim waves in charge.
• 13:22
  And I. Saw an interview with Jana
• 13:25
  Fielding way back where she was saying that this was recorded a
• 13:29
  long time ago, but as she was saying she didn't.
• 13:31
  People asked if she had fond memories of Earth Rock and she
• 13:33
  said well not really because it was the hardest work we ever
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  had. We haven't didn't have fun
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  making Earth shock because it was just such a mad pace of
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  shooting and I can and that shocks me because I'm like it's
• 13:45
  amazing, how could that not be the best thing ever to do?
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  But I guess at the time you get to, you realise what what
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  they're meaning. What's interesting because you
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  get. This Doctor Who.
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  This is Doctor Who at 200% maximum.
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  Look at the stories in this season that had a director that
• 13:58
  went for like the oh, let's all have fun and have a jolly time.
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  Things like The Visitation. There isn't really any
• 14:04
  atmosphere in that at all. I would gladly sacrifice Janet
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  Fielding's good fun if the end result.
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  Is something as good as this? Yeah, they're to entertain.
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  Me. Sorry, Janet.
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  So I love that line. So I was serious.
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  No, to tear it on you. And it really sounds like it's
• 14:18
  kind of something at the end, doesn't it?
• 14:21
  But they are expecting viewers to remember stuff that happened
• 14:23
  a year ago. And that's.
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  Fine. Soap operas do that.
• 14:26
  Other dramas do that. It's that's a normal thing for
• 14:30
  ATV series to do. It's not adding it's it's it's
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  lines through it. But, and you know, people say in
• 14:38
  the 80s you didn't get plot arcs in Doctor Who.
• 14:43
  Character arc, Yeah. And I love this kind of, I'm
• 14:47
  going to say dreadful, but I mean it in the most loving way.
• 14:51
  Soap opera element that runs through like Davidson's time.
• 14:54
  All the kind of. Bickering in the titles.
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  I'll do. Something different the Doctor
• 14:58
  Who just hadn't had sort of hidden from before, and for good
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  reason. I mean, it's fine to say we're
• 15:04
  not going to bother with this, that or the other because we're
• 15:06
  telling this adventure story, but doesn't mean that they never
• 15:09
  did it. I think the trouble is when they
• 15:12
  were doing like these 25 minute sort of action adventure
• 15:15
  episodes, you've got to get to the point pretty quickly so you
• 15:18
  can't hang around the TARDIS for too long.
• 15:20
  And when they did start doing it in like Colin Baker's time in
• 15:23
  Season 22, you really started to feel it.
• 15:27
  Yeah, I think I said it is a real shame they didn't do
• 15:30
  another. I think they would learn that
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  lesson and would have done a second series differently.
• 15:33
  But they had the idea of making like a episode one twice as long
• 15:38
  and then telling the rest of the story in 45 minutes.
• 15:40
  second-half. She's good, right?
• 15:42
  She's good when she's. She gets sick.
• 15:44
  I've. Heard people say that that she's
• 15:45
  a bit wooden. Or.
• 15:46
  Does not. I don't think she's.
• 15:48
  Professor Kyle, I think. She's sorry, Professor Kyle.
• 15:50
  Yeah, Professor Kyle's like. She's just an.
• 15:53
  Archaeologist Yeah, she's not. She's not super kick ass Laura
• 15:56
  Croft. She's someone who was down there
• 15:57
  looking at fossils and suddenly one of her mates are dead.
• 16:00
  I swear. Later on she picks up a gun and
• 16:02
  it's like, you know, I'm, I'm heading out.
• 16:03
  They stop her because she's going to be useless, but.
• 16:08
  Bless her. Look at the staging here this
• 16:12
  TARDIS. Okay, I adore this 80s TARDIS,
• 16:16
  but the few times they turn the lights down it's like 1,000,000%
• 16:20
  more. Atmospheric, yeah.
• 16:22
  Yeah, when the Black Guardian turns up, yeah, it.
• 16:24
  Goes orange. Looks fantastic like next year.
• 16:27
  But would you remember? The.
• 16:29
  The four of them, they're never stood still.
• 16:30
  The four of them are in these TARDIS scenes.
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  They're they're going around and and and you know there's.
• 16:34
  There's depth and. They're just sort of circling
• 16:36
  the console to talk to each other.
• 16:38
  It's all really. You know, why don't you?
• 16:40
  They're like, we've got to make this set look interesting.
• 16:42
  Just keep moving. Keep moving.
• 16:43
  Yeah, yeah. Oh, I love that door, That door
• 16:47
  control, that massive red knob. Yeah, now people overuse the
• 16:51
  word iconic, but that's our 80s. TARDIS.
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  Door control is a is absolutely iconic.
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  Oh, it becomes an an iconic knob.
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  Yeah, I've been called that before, you know.
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  The. It becomes like a it's less
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  dramatic when it has its five Doctors reboot.
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  Isn't it? The door control?
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  Oh. Because it won't.
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  Because it's all more. Snazzy and and.
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  And. That actually looks really cool.
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  Is is this how you wanted to spend your?
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  Life. Spending an evening doing a
• 17:20
  commentary talking about TARDIS door controls.
• 17:28
  One of. The readings is.
• 17:29
  Ectopic. What does that mean?
• 17:31
  What does that even mean? It means.
• 17:34
  One of the life forms has two hearts and the.
• 17:37
  Incidental music is. Going to sound a bit like the
• 17:39
  Doctor Who's theme for a. Moment.
• 17:40
  Look at the lighting there. With the TARDIS in the back,
• 17:42
  that is. And that dinosaur, yeah.
• 17:45
  And this is a corner of a. Small studio and they just put
• 17:49
  they put so much thought into the there's little pools of
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  light on on Tegan and missus faces and the the Doctor's got
• 17:55
  his hat on and is in shadow and. That's it.
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  It was only on screen for five. Seconds I've used, I've used
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  Tegan's line here, which is like breathe deeply and relax so many
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  times. Has.
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  It. People look at me like I'm very
• 18:09
  straight, but there was AI, remember.
• 18:11
  There was like a Christmas ident of the Doctor, Adrick, Tegan and
• 18:15
  Nyssa going Merry Christmas in that set.
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  And every time I see her, I think, oh.
• 18:20
  Yeah, it was that. Wasn't it?
• 18:22
  Davidson puts his arm out in front of Adrick so he's like,
• 18:25
  you can't see him. I swear they were bullying that
• 18:28
  kid on set, you know? Yep.
• 18:30
  Now then. But all the work that they've
• 18:33
  been doing so far, establishing the real tension of these gut of
• 18:37
  these troopers and Professor Kyle means that we're totally on
• 18:41
  board with with we understand that they are going to think the
• 18:43
  Doctor and his friends are guilty.
• 18:44
  That's such a Doctor Who trolled.
• 18:46
  But if they just turn up and it just happens, it's not so
• 18:48
  exciting. But we know these people and we
• 18:50
  understand why they're going to think that these people, the the
• 18:53
  TARDIS crew are the culprits. It's not just, oh, here, I've
• 18:56
  been captured again. They've taken.
• 18:58
  They haven't just assumed it, they've taken the story taste of
• 19:01
  time to really build it at first.
• 19:02
  And it's not subtle, but having the dinosaur bones and giving
• 19:07
  the explanation as to how the dinosaurs went extinct, I know
• 19:11
  that's like an 80s thing. Bringing up something in episode
• 19:13
  one, like Hexachromite gas that becomes comes absolutely vital
• 19:17
  in episode 4. Yeah.
• 19:20
  And at this point, you don't, of course you don't know that this
• 19:23
  is we have no idea at this point that this that's going to have
• 19:27
  any relevance later because Doctor Who's one thing that
• 19:29
  never happens in Doctor Who around this time recently
• 19:32
  anyway, all right, no immediately thinking of loads of
• 19:35
  examples, but time table, you don't get time table in Doctor
• 19:37
  Who's toys often. You do get it every couple of
• 19:40
  years. But.
• 19:41
  Go back five years and that's all we had.
• 19:44
  Yeah. So the things get really going
• 19:47
  down. Sorry, in a minute, you sent me.
• 19:49
  Take a. Drink, she just said.
• 19:50
  She's going down. Oh, everything right.
• 19:52
  OK, well I have one here, so yeah, yeah.
• 19:54
  Have you not been OK? You sent me a GIF, GIF or GIF.
• 19:58
  I'm keep asking everybody this GIF, GIF.
• 20:01
  The guy who invented it wanted it to be GIF, but he's wrong.
• 20:04
  He's too late. He's out of the traps.
• 20:05
  Is GIF. Well, I'm going to say start.
• 20:06
  The start of the word GIF just start of a gift.
• 20:09
  Given that you are a mastery of gifts on Twitter, honestly it's
• 20:13
  so funny. I'm going to say take you as the
• 20:15
  authority on this, but you sent me a GIF of something very
• 20:20
  similar to a gruesome effect in this episode earlier today.
• 20:23
  Oh. Yeah, yeah, I'll retweet that.
• 20:28
  It's amazing. The guy who did it is brilliant.
• 20:31
  Look at the lights and then you see someone fall over and you
• 20:34
  can't tell which one it is. And then she comes into the
• 20:36
  light, and you see that it's the.
• 20:36
  Professor. I mean, it's Doctor Hero.
• 20:38
  Of course it is the woman, isn't it?
• 20:41
  But she has a Spain, her ankle and yeah.
• 20:44
  And there are female. Troopers too so.
• 20:46
  Again, that. You.
• 20:47
  Wouldn't have got that. I don't even notice as a 7 year
• 20:52
  old and there's there's a bit later on as well with with
• 20:55
  soldiers on the ship dog. He's always meant to pop back
• 20:58
  and find out. Oh, I wonder.
• 21:03
  Oh, Snyder. Snyder's wounded party.
• 21:08
  It's the fact that it's kind of green gunk with like blood in it
• 21:12
  as well. It's really grim.
• 21:16
  Hashtag released the Snyder Cut. There should be an extended
• 21:19
  version of their shot just so that we can use that hashtag.
• 21:21
  Hashtag, right. At this point, having become a
• 21:25
  Doctor Who fan the year before and bought my first target
• 21:28
  novel, which was Carnival Monsters, because I've just seen
• 21:30
  it on TV. And then I bought the Cybermen,
• 21:33
  and then I got all the Cybermen ones.
• 21:35
  It was obvious the Cybermen were the best things ever.
• 21:37
  And at this point, I'm just sitting there thinking nothing
• 21:41
  about Cybermen at all. Because the one thing you know
• 21:43
  about Cybermen is they haven't been in it since the 1970s,
• 21:46
  which was a million years ago, and it's such a shame that
• 21:48
  they're never coming back. But these underground robots
• 21:50
  look cool. So you would have had no clue
• 21:53
  this first cliffhanger would have blown your mind, yeah.
• 21:56
  No. And you know, I think I might
• 21:58
  even have been revenge reading Revenge of the Cybermen around
• 22:02
  that week because I was powering to it more.
• 22:04
  It's so annoying because I obviously I came to a classic
• 22:07
  who with all of this knowledge, so I knew what monsters were.
• 22:11
  The programme guide was out at that point, so I just knew
• 22:13
  everything. Snyder, sorry.
• 22:17
  The the lights going out. So that's that's like an alien
• 22:19
  influence, isn't it? The, the the scanner with the
• 22:22
  lights going out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:24
  Yeah. I don't.
• 22:25
  Know actually. Because that's more.
• 22:27
  That's an alien. Oh no, it's an alien, isn't it?
• 22:28
  Yeah, but it's an Aliens. The sequel More.
• 22:31
  How do you turn it? Human beings who got a puddle.
• 22:34
  In reducing robots to stood over a pile of green goo is
• 22:38
  terrifying. There's such a like a like a
• 22:41
  simple design that's so effective.
• 22:44
  Yeah, Android. You can see why they went back
• 22:46
  for the Rasta Mori robot. Yeah, well, maybe there's a
• 22:51
  theory in David Banks's Cybermen book he postulates that the
• 22:54
  Cybermen in the Death Zone and Gallifrey saw the Raston Warrior
• 22:56
  robot sent and sent plans of it back and copied it, and that's
• 23:00
  what they built those robots on, based those robots on later.
• 23:03
  Well, let's be honest though, there are some pretty wild
• 23:05
  theories in that book. I mean, he tries to tie together
• 23:09
  the entirety of the Cyberman plot line, doesn't he?
• 23:12
  It's. Yeah, he does, Yeah.
• 23:13
  Yeah. Which at that point was up to
• 23:15
  attack. I think attack had just come
• 23:17
  out. I mean, I think he updated it
• 23:18
  for Silver Nemesis as well. Not as many as it's a.
• 23:20
  Really complicated family tree with loads of dotted lines.
• 23:23
  What's his name? Lance Parkin, Who tries to plot
• 23:25
  out the entire History of Doctor Who in the Universe, volume 78,
• 23:30
  out soon. This guy playing Walters, the
• 23:35
  guy with the scanner up on the surface he's so good because it
• 23:38
  hinges on him if he was just unconvincing or or doing over.
• 23:43
  Nobody is is overacting in this and it's fine.
• 23:46
  I love it when a dog do act. It goes over the top of the IT
• 23:48
  and we have a bit of fun with it, but.
• 23:51
  You kind of need it in this though, don't you?
• 23:52
  To maintain the atmosphere, the tension, like if you were taken
• 23:55
  out by like a pants by performance.
• 23:58
  This week we're doing it dead serious and and next week we'll
• 24:01
  be having a right old laugh and doing a panto with Anthony
• 24:03
  Engley and as Alibaba. But this week we're going really
• 24:07
  going to the. Same league.
• 24:08
  Don't make me think about colleagues.
• 24:10
  Alam Shalom. He's actually.
• 24:16
  He's also super handsome as well, I should point that out.
• 24:19
  Anthony Ailey. No the the the fellow up above
• 24:22
  on the. Scanner.
• 24:24
  I mean, I don't know your. If you like, if you like the
• 24:26
  satanic type, Anthony Ailey. Very handsome.
• 24:31
  He's a real character. Listen to his autobiography if
• 24:33
  you get a chance. No, sorry, it's not
• 24:35
  autobiography of him on audible. It's really funny.
• 24:37
  The woman who wrote it had to scrape around because he was so
• 24:40
  private, but she gets some amazing anxios about him.
• 24:43
  Very fun with using the C word and often got banned from
• 24:46
  playing cricket because of it. Do you know this kind of bashing
• 24:49
  a keyboard, acting and looking like you're doing something that
• 24:52
  is a real skill, you know? I I bet he workshops that and
• 24:57
  and he's only on. Location, yeah.
• 25:00
  He never gets. Even to go in the studio.
• 25:04
  I think Peter Davidson said, didn't he, That he said to John
• 25:06
  Nathan Turner, Can you just say every Doctor Who called the
• 25:08
  story of caves because they're so effective?
• 25:11
  Let's stop going to space stations.
• 25:13
  Let's do it in case. But they it's a real and again,
• 25:17
  full credit to Grim Wade for making these caves look so good.
• 25:21
  I mean, you're right, you can see a line sometimes, honestly.
• 25:23
  But they weren't made for that. Oh, this sequence hit.
• 25:26
  So it's the the troopers coming towards the camera.
• 25:30
  The camera goes through smoke, the remains and they.
• 25:34
  Tread in. The slime, oh.
• 25:36
  Gosh almighty, that is grim. And then don't the don't the
• 25:42
  androids come up behind them or in front of them?
• 25:46
  Or do they mistake them for the for For Davidson?
• 25:49
  I can't remember that. All.
• 25:50
  No, I I think there we go. Here they go.
• 25:52
  Yeah. Well, we're still 5 minutes from
• 25:53
  the end or or three or 4 minutes from the end.
• 25:56
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:57
  Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
• 25:58
  Like, this is exactly the sort of thing the new series can't do
• 26:02
  anymore. Is it an episode one like this
• 26:04
  with lots of suspense and tension?
• 26:06
  Yeah, and and the character. Yeah.
• 26:10
  Sometimes agonised screen just did you get.
• 26:13
  That, Yeah. Oh, actually by.
• 26:18
  Sergeant Mitchell. I just heard jangling, so there
• 26:21
  was jangling on the on the. Yeah, that's an.
• 26:24
  Interesting choice of words. But yeah like they all this will
• 26:27
  be done in like a 5 minute pre credits wouldn't it in the new
• 26:30
  series and it would lose so much.
• 26:32
  Yeah, and. You know, at this point we just
• 26:37
  we. Don't know which of these
• 26:37
  characters this story is really going to be about.
• 26:40
  And it's, it's and is it? Oh, is this a story about life
• 26:44
  in On Earth in the 25th, 26th century?
• 26:47
  Yeah. So far it seems to be.
• 26:50
  And even like come episode 3, isn't it when it changes
• 26:53
  location completely, you still don't really know what this
• 26:56
  story is about. Yeah.
• 27:00
  It's actually about Adric and he's the one that's not part of
• 27:03
  the action at the moment. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:05
  And and and this is, it's sort of the kind of thing that people
• 27:09
  always say, oh, they always wasted characters and somebody
• 27:11
  wasn't doing something one week. But like that's just, that's
• 27:13
  fine. You watch an episode of Dallas
• 27:15
  and one week. Bobby.
• 27:16
  Hasn't got much to do because it's a Jr. episode you watch.
• 27:19
  Look. At Star Trek.
• 27:20
  Yeah, yeah, exactly, they say. Oh, I love that line.
• 27:25
  Too many people have fought for you.
• 27:29
  Too many people are dead for you to play.
• 27:30
  That's it. Thank you too.
• 27:32
  Many people too many. People are fooled now.
• 27:35
  Look, my misquoting is infamous, yeah.
• 27:40
  What? Dear boy.
• 27:43
  OK, so we're heading up to a Punch the Air cliffhanger.
• 27:49
  And it's so unusual, isn't it? Because I think before this you
• 27:51
  always would have had the side men in the title in some way or
• 27:55
  another. The Daleks in the title of they
• 27:56
  were going to appear so. Oh, and Andrew is getting to do
• 27:59
  some acting in the TARDIS on his own and some talking music.
• 28:01
  There's this thing going and he's What's it coming from?
• 28:03
  What's that noise? It's marvellous, isn't it?
• 28:06
  Like he can't even walk across the set convincingly sometimes,
• 28:09
  can he? But how can you not walk
• 28:11
  convincingly that? Is.
• 28:14
  I probably couldn't walk across the room convincingly when I was
• 28:17
  7. So, like, like, were you behind
• 28:22
  Andrew, then seven years old. Was he somebody there?
• 28:25
  Yeah, you were rooting. For oh God, yeah, I mean when
• 28:28
  we. Played doctor in the playground
• 28:29
  at school. I wanted to be Adric.
• 28:31
  I was like because I want to be a.
• 28:32
  Mathematical. Genius.
• 28:33
  Hey, I. Love you.
• 28:34
  Right now, I just think that's. Wonderful.
• 28:36
  I. Was going to say can we play
• 28:42
  Adric in this stuff? But we'll maybe we'll do that
• 28:44
  off camera and I love the fact that they've got the.
• 28:52
  And then the robots burst in and and again, you're just looking
• 28:54
  at you expect. And there's such a good little.
• 28:56
  Jump moment because you're expecting some of the bomb to do
• 28:59
  something and suddenly the the robots are there and.
• 29:02
  Did you see that? Car straight to the remains and
• 29:04
  then swooping across to the action like he's trying to make
• 29:08
  this so dynamic. Yeah, yeah, and really good gun
• 29:12
  sounds. Androids.
• 29:14
  Oh, who's could these androids be?
• 29:15
  Are you watching with the new effects or the original?
• 29:19
  No original. So you've got the you've got the
• 29:24
  candy cane stripes, yes. Yes, but I'm not.
• 29:29
  I don't object to your face being done and I watch them once
• 29:32
  and think that's quite creative and then I'll never watch them
• 29:34
  again. Well, I've had.
• 29:34
  A conversation about this recently.
• 29:36
  You know, I think. I think the overall opinion is,
• 29:38
  whoa, I'm going to shut up. It's all gone red.
• 29:41
  Why is it all gone red? Whoa.
• 29:47
  Destroy them. Destroy them at once.
• 29:52
  At once. That's because that's what
• 29:54
  Cybermen. Cybermen.
• 29:56
  Say. At once, say would.
• 29:59
  Say when or soured. I still don't know.
• 30:01
  He's really done his homework and he's, he's.
• 30:04
  And he said he just, he was, he knew he was writing Cybermen's
• 30:07
  Greatest hits here. He wanted to do eggs.
• 30:08
  He wanted to take all the ingredients of classic
• 30:10
  Cybermen's stories of them all into one.
• 30:13
  And because really, the visitation was his, his personal
• 30:17
  story that he'd spent ages doing and then he was asked to do
• 30:20
  another one. So he's like, OK, I'll, I'll do
• 30:22
  a sub Man story exactly as they always were.
• 30:24
  Darling, I mean, you would think it would be the the no.
• 30:26
  There's a good. Word to say about him these
• 30:28
  days. He was sort no.
• 30:30
  Well, I I would. I would have thought that.
• 30:31
  I I mean, I know that that's true, but I would have thought
• 30:33
  this was the one he put all of his time and effort into and the
• 30:36
  visitation that he like, jotted out over a weekend.
• 30:39
  Because. Because he'd done the The
• 30:40
  Visitation he'd done as a as a radio play a few years before
• 30:44
  them with just about Richard Mace and and without Terra
• 30:48
  Lectors. So that basically was just a
• 30:50
  play about Richard Mace. But nevertheless, it was that he
• 30:52
  had that that setting up up and then just and then did a Doctor
• 30:55
  Who meets Richard Mace's story. Well, that's two massive
• 30:58
  subjects to talk about in Episode 2, Eric's award and the
• 31:01
  design of the Cybermen. Can't wait?
• 31:29
  The. Hamster with a blunt penknife
• 31:41
  for doing. Quicker, quicker, quicker.
• 31:46
  Quicker Welcome back to Hamster with a blunt penknife.
• 31:49
  I am still here after a delightful first episode of
• 31:52
  Earth Shock with my good friend Pete.
• 31:54
  Say hello, Pete. Yeah, hello.
• 31:56
  It's fantastic to still be here with you.
• 31:58
  And amazingly, unlike in 1982, we haven't got away a horrible
• 32:03
  23 1/2 hours to see Episode 2. Can you imagine?
• 32:07
  That happened? And then you've got away till
• 32:09
  Tuesday after school to find out that you're definitely right
• 32:13
  that it was a side man. Because I think I was screaming
• 32:14
  so loud during the opening during the closing credits.
• 32:17
  I didn't actually read it. And this afterwards.
• 32:21
  Was it? Did I imagine?
• 32:22
  It was it all in my imagination. Yeah.
• 32:25
  Yeah, and someone at school was going.
• 32:28
  No, it's just a. Robot thing you don't get side
• 32:30
  men anymore. I'm.
• 32:31
  Like, that's a side man. Like, Can you imagine Look you.
• 32:34
  Can imagine. That prepared me for Twitter,
• 32:35
  basically, because that's pretty much exactly what debate is.
• 32:37
  Like, you know, I have to steer clear of Twitter because I I'm
• 32:41
  always working when the episodes go out now.
• 32:43
  So I I just can't go anywhere near it.
• 32:44
  And frankly, after most episodes, it's so appalling
• 32:48
  anyway that I. But like.
• 32:51
  What on? Earth.
• 32:52
  Was it like, OK, just give me a brief insight into having just
• 32:56
  23 1/2 minutes of Doctor Who a week?
• 33:02
  Well, like you got it was twice a week in these days, so that
• 33:05
  was. That was.
• 33:05
  That was pretty thrilling, and I used to think exactly that was
• 33:09
  it. I have people in the old days
• 33:11
  when it was only on on Saturdays and you had to wait a whole week
• 33:14
  to see the next episode. And then that happened
• 33:17
  eventually. Yeah and like and like the
• 33:18
  Monday the Monday episode was over in a flash because because
• 33:21
  it was always it was the Part 2 episode was the one that
• 33:24
  actuating nearly a week till till Part 3.
• 33:27
  So it just gave it so much Case was the temple of it.
• 33:31
  Was Monday, Tuesday, Monday, Tuesday.
• 33:32
  Is that right? Yeah, this year it was, it
• 33:36
  swapped around in subsequent years a bit, but yeah, it was
• 33:38
  Mondays and Tuesdays. This year I think I said we're
• 33:39
  experimenting Angels which is like a pre casualty type
• 33:44
  hospital soap was doing the same thing and they were testing, out
• 33:47
  testing the waters for EastEnders.
• 33:48
  When that launched in a couple of years, they were already
• 33:50
  experimented with twice really. Dramas basically.
• 33:53
  So I can almost test a case willing to bet that that Tuesday
• 33:56
  at school you were unbearable. Then you only have to wait a
• 33:59
  day. I can't.
• 34:02
  Yeah, I mean, but I know. I mean, I had my little, my
• 34:04
  little geeky friends. There was like three or four of
• 34:06
  us who just just played Doctor Who at lunchtime and stuff.
• 34:10
  And yeah, I was at Rick. Yeah, the only thing I can see
• 34:13
  now when I look at you this is. Going to be his best story ever.
• 34:16
  Oh. No, all I can say when I look at
• 34:19
  you now is a 7 year old Pete like dressed as Adrian going.
• 34:24
  Why isn't he here? Why is he never around when we
• 34:26
  want him or something? I.
• 34:27
  Didn't have. The beard.
• 34:28
  Sorry. I didn't have no.
• 34:29
  I was doing a terrible line of Adrian from The Visitation, and
• 34:32
  no one wants to hear that. I'm.
• 34:35
  Queued up. I'm ready to go, if you are.
• 34:38
  Let's do it Part 2. Gosh, it's all happening in this
• 34:42
  one we. Have the countdown.
• 34:44
  Yeah, in 54321. Let's go.
• 34:55
  Thank you. The subtitles say Doctor Who
• 34:57
  theme. So I have.
• 35:04
  The radio. Sorry just to say the Radio
• 35:06
  Times. I've got the production
• 35:08
  subtitles on and it just says the Radio Times billing to this
• 35:10
  episode was what's behind the Hatch.
• 35:14
  Which? Is the most.
• 35:15
  Amazing. Underselling of a document said
• 35:17
  ever. But they couldn't do it.
• 35:18
  They could not say. Wasn't it?
• 35:22
  Like extreme secrecy behind this.
• 35:24
  Like they they closed down the gallery that fans could go and
• 35:26
  watch the recording. But really, there was no way to
• 35:29
  find out. You know, if you're a 7 year
• 35:31
  old, there is no way that a rumour could reach you.
• 35:34
  Yeah, not, not today. Everything's spoiled today,
• 35:37
  isn't it? But.
• 35:39
  Yeah, although I think so. I mean, so much of modernism is
• 35:41
  about Russell V Davis, Moffat and Chipnall trying to recreate
• 35:46
  that precise moment because it had the same.
• 35:48
  Even if if they're not old, fans of 82 do.
• 35:51
  You know who I think does it best?
• 35:53
  I think Chipnall does it best. I think he hid the Spyful Master
• 35:56
  and he hid the Joe Martin Dr. Like.
• 36:02
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and and through tricks and
• 36:05
  through making the Captain Jack reveal the big thing.
• 36:07
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:10
  Yeah, that that giving that loads of publicity was a really
• 36:15
  smart move to distract people. And that shock was also the
• 36:18
  first story I properly watched twice, because it was repeated
• 36:21
  the following year without this cliffhanger.
• 36:24
  It was shown in 245 minute episodes, I think.
• 36:26
  Were you like a VHS family at this time?
• 36:28
  Could you record or was it watching video for me?
• 36:32
  We got video quite early, actually.
• 36:35
  Was one of the first people I knew to get a video, but even
• 36:37
  then that was like season 21 or the repeat after it.
• 36:39
  The first thing I ever taped was The Awakening.
• 36:42
  And then a few weeks later, I only had one videotape.
• 36:44
  And a few weeks later, Star Wars had his TV premiere.
• 36:47
  And I had to. I had.
• 36:48
  This once I had my watch. Of The Awakening before I taped
• 36:52
  something else on the tape. 3 like and I watched The Awakening
• 36:54
  three times in one day because the next day I was going to have
• 36:57
  to take over it with Star Wars. How did that?
• 37:00
  Work though, did you have to just keep recording over each
• 37:02
  time but. I it was.
• 37:05
  But then, once I could afford to buy more videotapes, it was
• 37:08
  fine. Season 22 onwards.
• 37:11
  There was some slow MO there. I just have to say, every time
• 37:13
  Doctor Who does slow MO, I'm in love.
• 37:17
  Sparkles Exploding robot Slow MO is probably one of the very best
• 37:21
  forms slow MO. So I need to talk to you about
• 37:23
  this design of Cybermen, because I have recently watched Revenge
• 37:27
  of the Cybermen for one of these commentaries and I had a lot to
• 37:30
  say about the Padded Suits Camp Cyber Leader with his glitter
• 37:36
  helmet this. He does the thing of.
• 37:39
  Sorry. Go on, it's him who introduces.
• 37:41
  The idea of the cyber leader being being a villain rather
• 37:44
  than just them being completely robotic like they are in the in
• 37:47
  the Trouton years and there's no need address with the doorknob
• 37:52
  action. He's got the hang of that now,
• 37:53
  you see. Just as he's doing.
• 37:56
  But these these kind of militaristic streamlines
• 38:00
  sidemen, I think they look fantastic.
• 38:03
  Yeah so 80s and there was a there's a picture I will share
• 38:07
  it with you that was in a Doctor Who magazine at some point of
• 38:09
  the guy who did the plastic mouldings and he's holding the
• 38:12
  Cyberman head and. He's wearing.
• 38:14
  These. He's.
• 38:14
  Wearing these denim shorts that barely cover his, his, his it.
• 38:20
  Was not the helmet you were obsessed with in that picture?
• 38:23
  Formative. To an early teenage.
• 38:26
  I I realised the point where I was no longer looking at the
• 38:28
  Cyberman. I was looking at the shorts.
• 38:30
  And interestingly, you asked me in our first sort of back and
• 38:34
  forth conversation what's the most frivolous purchase I've
• 38:37
  ever bought. And just before Christmas I
• 38:40
  spent money I did not have on a 80s sideman figure, which is
• 38:46
  gorgeous in like in like I thought you were going.
• 38:50
  To say some really short denim shorts, but you're.
• 38:52
  Disappointed. Oh, so I have some of those too.
• 38:54
  But you know that that's for another time.
• 38:57
  The rifles are almost. Finished.
• 38:58
  So. Are we?
• 39:00
  You know, that's that's such a soured line and and I love it.
• 39:04
  Well, you were. Talking.
• 39:05
  You were talking about Eric's award and how people don't
• 39:07
  really have a good word to say, and I think that's true.
• 39:09
  I think his name's been kind of muddied a lot in in recent
• 39:14
  years. And he left under very a lot of
• 39:16
  bitterness, obviously, which kind of has coloured it,
• 39:19
  coloured it. His comments about his
• 39:21
  colleagues were really hard to to take and you shouldn't.
• 39:24
  It was really unprofessional. But but at the same time he was
• 39:27
  obviously having a a breakdown. I mean, if you've ever had a if
• 39:29
  you've ever been in charge of a project and your boss's boss's
• 39:32
  boss decides that your project is terrible but won't tell you
• 39:35
  why and and yet doesn't sack you, I can't even imagine that.
• 39:38
  And and that that was easily. They brought it back, didn't
• 39:42
  they? They brought it back and they
• 39:43
  didn't even give them any pointers to say right, we want
• 39:45
  you to change things. It's just like, no, just start
• 39:47
  making it again. You.
• 39:49
  Said it. Was terrible.
• 39:50
  It's too silly and it's too violent.
• 39:52
  That was basically what they were told about Doctor Andrew
• 39:55
  with the block of Paula's diary on to the distract the robots.
• 39:58
  But I would say in Eric Shaw's defence, I think he wrote some
• 40:03
  of the most dynamic, classic Doctor Who, certainly some of
• 40:07
  the most exciting. Like in terms of.
• 40:09
  In terms of. Action.
• 40:11
  And you know he he went over the like and then stuff like, I mean
• 40:14
  resurrection isn't it is obviously an attempt to do an
• 40:16
  Earth swap with the Daleks. And yes, it sort of tries to
• 40:19
  cram A6 parter into into into four episodes and it doesn't all
• 40:24
  add up. There's.
• 40:24
  A lot going on there, isn't there?
• 40:26
  A lot of lots. Yeah.
• 40:30
  I did a commentary on resurrection and.
• 40:32
  I love it, sorry, but the side must say we must.
• 40:34
  Act. Quickly, I always love it when
• 40:36
  they say they must act. It's like, yeah, that was the
• 40:38
  director was saying that to you. That wasn't the script.
• 40:41
  You think they? Learn from that line as well,
• 40:42
  but I seem to remember like King Peledon was saying that as well
• 40:45
  at one point we. Must I know?
• 40:46
  Yeah. Probably.
• 40:48
  Doing it deliberately, Yeah, all the I love how individual the
• 40:52
  four characters are. Like this is looking at the
• 40:54
  Android and saying how primitive it is, but not in a disdainful
• 40:58
  way, just because from her point of view it is.
• 41:00
  And then Tegan being the actual ordinary person among them all.
• 41:06
  And this is like a a really nice, it's basic threat, it's a
• 41:09
  bomb. But I think they they play it
• 41:12
  for real. They play this like like a
• 41:13
  procedural drama. You know, we play diffusing a
• 41:16
  bomb. Absolutely.
• 41:18
  And and we don't know what are some men behind that hatch?
• 41:21
  We don't know. At this point, it's so hard to
• 41:24
  remind yourself to to park the stuff that you already know
• 41:27
  about this story because you're breaking it.
• 41:29
  You're you're spoiling the story, literally spoilering it
• 41:32
  by watching it from the point of view of someone who already
• 41:34
  knows that these guys, these side men, are not down there, I
• 41:37
  mean. Jesus, what was the what?
• 41:41
  Was the and cameraman breaking the cameraman?
• 41:44
  The cyber leader breaking the 4th wall, turning to the camera
• 41:47
  to say explode the bomb when he's actually he's supposed to
• 41:50
  be giving the audience order to his bitch Lieutenant?
• 41:55
  I tend to call him the bitch Lieutenant.
• 41:57
  I always love the Lieutenant. He's.
• 41:58
  The cyber leader's bitch. That's his job.
• 42:00
  And it just gets worse every time they come back the the
• 42:03
  lieutenant's always whipped, isn't he?
• 42:05
  Yeah. They are a bit like Captain
• 42:09
  Mannering and Sergeant was his name from Dad's Army, aren't
• 42:14
  they? The trouble is.
• 42:15
  When you hit Tim's. Attack.
• 42:17
  For the cyber are. You quite sure that's why he's a
• 42:20
  cyber leader? In in a second assignment, they
• 42:25
  they suddenly start like behaving like robots, don't
• 42:28
  they? And doing these like jerky
• 42:29
  actions and talking like that, it's very odd.
• 42:33
  It is because, and that's because, yeah, because they
• 42:35
  gave, we've got Michael, Paul, Gareth back to be the cyber
• 42:37
  controller, 20 years, odd years old, teens of years after he'd
• 42:41
  originally. Done it.
• 42:41
  A few pies they didn't. Get they never gave them the
• 42:44
  memo that they'd slightly changed it since then.
• 42:47
  This is nice though, to see Davidson and Adrick working
• 42:51
  together, given what comes, you know, they they work together
• 42:54
  really well, yeah. Yeah.
• 42:56
  And and. And and they flip it and this is
• 43:01
  a good story where that gets flipped around.
• 43:03
  You know through in episode one it's Davison and and and the two
• 43:07
  two women and in the second episode he he pairs up with with
• 43:10
  Adric. And that's not failing.
• 43:12
  That's that's that's making use of having four central
• 43:16
  characters, and it's really unusual for any series to have
• 43:19
  as few as 4. Central characters, people.
• 43:21
  Talk about it in Doctor Who terms as being some aberration
• 43:24
  and oh, terrible decision, but there aren't many series that
• 43:26
  only have 4 central characters or or don't even have that many.
• 43:30
  I think the trouble is, isn't it?
• 43:31
  Most stories there's like a formula.
• 43:33
  There's one location and it's a running storyline so you you can
• 43:37
  afford to like dip in and out. Whereas in Doctor Who it's a
• 43:40
  single story where you have to try and give everyone a slice of
• 43:43
  the pie. Yeah, and it's.
• 43:45
  And The thing is, if if a writer isn't up to it, and if a
• 43:48
  writer's writing not all that well and he's got 4 characters,
• 43:53
  it'll be the fact that the four that will be really obvious with
• 43:55
  the four characters dynamic. What would you say is like the
• 43:57
  worst that? Means that script wasn't that
• 43:59
  writer, wasn't up to it anyway, and they probably would have
• 44:01
  written the shonky script with only two characters.
• 44:03
  What would you say is the worst, the worst example of like
• 44:06
  writing out one of the characters?
• 44:08
  I think maybe like Tegan and Turlo in Terminus, that's pretty
• 44:11
  bad where they're just shoved under the grating.
• 44:13
  That's. Just like a tube.
• 44:14
  Yes. Yes, that does, yeah.
• 44:16
  And they're not given anything to do and it's, but at the same
• 44:18
  time, they are the conversation. They have a good conversation.
• 44:21
  But they're not. Doing anything while they have
• 44:23
  it. They just sat there.
• 44:25
  Oh, hiding or I can't remember. But yeah.
• 44:29
  But I've got no problem with, you know, Mr. having a having a
• 44:31
  nap during kinder you. Know.
• 44:33
  Like, it's just that we gave taken a chance to Trek, Yeah, to
• 44:36
  take the limelight and actually, you know, have some beefy
• 44:40
  material for once. And of course, now we're used to
• 44:42
  having Doctor Light episodes. The companion light episode, you
• 44:46
  know, like you get two of the best.
• 44:48
  Probably, yeah, I'd say the two best episodes of the Ross and T
• 44:51
  Davis area, in my opinion, are Midnight and Turn Left and And
• 44:55
  that that's that. They're both episodes with one
• 44:58
  of the characters written out. Back-to-back.
• 45:00
  They're almost written out, yeah.
• 45:03
  Sorry, I'd really like such a little chair up there.
• 45:05
  Oh, he's so sweet. So now we're just using the bomb
• 45:08
  now, and the Doctor's very carefully opening the little
• 45:10
  hatches. Already got a shock of it.
• 45:12
  I get that. I get static electric shocks a
• 45:14
  lot, and I do that exactly like. You talk about static shocks.
• 45:19
  Once Upon a time I actually there was a back that fell off a
• 45:22
  plug and I pushed it into the wall and had the shock of my
• 45:25
  life when I flew across the room on camera.
• 45:28
  Oh my God, that was played back in slow motion.
• 45:32
  I probably could. You know, I've got the footage.
• 45:34
  Now. Hooray the Doctor hasn't got a
• 45:36
  fucking magic sport screwdriver to just wave at it.
• 45:39
  He's got to get his tool kit because Hooray the Terra Laptils
• 45:42
  blew it up. I.
• 45:43
  Say what happened to that It it turned to two.
• 45:48
  But no, he's got his tool kit and Adrian's got to go and get
• 45:50
  the right tool. And no, that's the wrong tool,
• 45:52
  and it all just adds to it. There's a great little tug of
• 45:55
  war between the Simon and them as well.
• 45:57
  Is it like the way? Yeah.
• 45:58
  And the Cybermen around their six sided console.
• 46:01
  Yeah. And we still don't quite know
• 46:07
  why do we don't know why this bomb is there, what they're
• 46:11
  trying to do. And it's not even.
• 46:12
  Been asked yet? Yeah, because because and before
• 46:17
  we know these troopers could be evil Nazis and the bomb could
• 46:20
  have been planted by freedom fighters.
• 46:21
  I love these, these emotionless Cybermen.
• 46:24
  We have been betrayed. Yes, they must be destroyed.
• 46:29
  At once. Not later.
• 46:31
  Let me be clear about this at. Once he has in the episode four,
• 46:35
  he has such fruity dialogue like Eric Sword was not interested in
• 46:38
  writing an emotionless Cybermen at all.
• 46:41
  No, no. But.
• 46:43
  Logic, it just doesn't mean not have I'm going to go there have
• 46:48
  been completely about logic, doesn't mean not having a
• 46:51
  personality and not having wants and needs sort of that.
• 46:56
  This is the case that David Banks makes in that book, the
• 46:59
  Ciderman book. I mean, I could make a case it's
• 47:02
  more interesting to watch as well.
• 47:05
  Completely because otherwise I mean in the invasion you've got
• 47:07
  Tobias Vaughan who is who totally came that one of the.
• 47:10
  Best. Villain performances in anything
• 47:13
  in Doctor Who. Can you even?
• 47:15
  Remember the Cybermen in Wheeling Space?
• 47:18
  Can you remember them? I can't.
• 47:19
  No, I can't. No, I mean, I can remember the
• 47:24
  ones from Revenge of the Cybermen because he was
• 47:26
  strutting around like a panto villain, you know?
• 47:29
  Yes, Doctor. Turned you down a bit for.
• 47:31
  This you will be. Pragmatised.
• 47:33
  Yeah, with an American accent as well, which is just unseemly.
• 47:37
  Have American aliens or Doctor Who they have.
• 47:40
  Them say. How dare you go Continental.
• 47:44
  I know Doctor Who. It was far too woke in the
• 47:47
  classic series, I'm telling you. Oh.
• 47:50
  Here we go, Simon have got their Internet fired up.
• 47:54
  They're going onto YouTube. It's not YouTube is it?
• 47:56
  It's Dailymotion. They're getting those videos are
• 47:58
  hacked. Yeah, there were What?
• 48:00
  Quality is terrible. But.
• 48:02
  Again, for a fan, this must have been really exciting to see the
• 48:05
  old Doctors. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:11
  And knowing them as well, I'll get an address as the 2nd
• 48:13
  Doctor, I'm thinking and I think I I wonder if now at this point
• 48:17
  I might not have been certain that there hadn't been a Third
• 48:19
  Doctor story with the cyber in it properly.
• 48:22
  Why they don't have, well, the 3rd Doctor doesn't feature
• 48:25
  possibly sat there going, Oh, they missed the 3rd Doctor.
• 48:27
  That's a mistake. And it's only like, complete,
• 48:30
  Forgive me, cunts that would sit here afterwards and watch this
• 48:33
  and go, Oh well, he was talking about two of the Cybermen, and
• 48:37
  that was a Wheeling space clip. Get over yourself, all right?
• 48:41
  Yeah, it all got uploaded into the time.
• 48:44
  Thingy. The time YouTube No Watch week
• 48:48
  or something like that. Oh, let's have a lovely moment
• 48:52
  now, Adrick and the Doctor. Adrick's hungry, you see.
• 48:57
  He had that lovely buffet in the 1920s with that lovely posh
• 49:01
  family who murdered their son and.
• 49:03
  They. Didn't mind because it was a.
• 49:04
  Nice party bloody face, wasn't he?
• 49:06
  He never stopped eating. No, no.
• 49:09
  Again, this is still worth to my own heart.
• 49:12
  Yeah, it's just not the match. Oh, I see that it's so nice that
• 49:17
  they're burying the hatchet here, and the doctrine advocate
• 49:19
  are agreeing that actually they do want to travel together.
• 49:23
  I. Just think their adventures are
• 49:24
  going to go. On sorted out their adventures.
• 49:25
  Are going to go on forever and ever.
• 49:28
  I can't wait to see those. The CVE, the gateway through E
• 49:35
  space. Which is?
• 49:36
  I can. That's a hilarious line.
• 49:39
  In many ways. Well, it.
• 49:40
  Is a reference to something a year ago.
• 49:43
  Doctor has this amazing ability, doesn't it?
• 49:45
  To have two characters stand in there speaking exposition to
• 49:49
  each other, things that they would already know, but they're
• 49:51
  saying it for the. Benefit of the audience?
• 49:54
  Yes, Shakespeare. Does this, I'm sure, yeah.
• 49:57
  I'm not sure if I can make a direct link between Eric Sword
• 49:59
  and Shakespeare, but go ahead, I'll.
• 50:04
  Get back from that one. So the silos behind the side
• 50:09
  men, are they the ones with like the side men in them?
• 50:13
  Yeah. We don't.
• 50:14
  We do not know that until later. But yeah, at the moment it just
• 50:17
  where are we? Just Are they on Tellus?
• 50:19
  My night is about to be made sorry.
• 50:22
  Go on, did. You.
• 50:24
  Yeah, no did. You oh, sorry, Mr. Ringworm.
• 50:25
  Mr. Now this. Is.
• 50:28
  This is where this is where he's so acidic.
• 50:31
  Cute. One of the one of the.
• 50:34
  Books. Is it the about time ones?
• 50:35
  There's amazing ones by Tat. Wood and Coach are the best
• 50:38
  doctor reference books, I think, because they're so funny and
• 50:41
  insightful and opinionated, but not enough.
• 50:43
  But they know the difference between an opinion and a fact.
• 50:45
  I think it's one of them that points out the relationship that
• 50:48
  he has with Beryl Reed is is just an amazing sort of gay some
• 50:54
  archetype situation of a of an older matriarch lesbian who is
• 50:59
  so annoyed by this pissy, uptight little queen who's
• 51:02
  working with her. And if you if you read it that.
• 51:04
  Way it just it just. Yeah, I love.
• 51:07
  It all the more because we haven't mentioned yet captain is
• 51:13
  on board who's. This going to be.
• 51:14
  Well, it's going to be a man with a moustache and grey hair.
• 51:18
  This is Doctor Who. So Captains of bases Under
• 51:22
  siege. We don't know this is a base
• 51:23
  under siege yet, but it is. I'm with.
• 51:24
  JNT OK and I'm with Steven Moffett on this one really, But
• 51:30
  I am with him on this one. If you can cast somebody that's
• 51:33
  going to get people watching, do it.
• 51:36
  And you know what? She's marvelous.
• 51:39
  Like, she totally is she's. Playing She knows she's playing
• 51:42
  the captain of a ship like a tanker.
• 51:44
  She's an oil tanker, Captain. And people the thing that.
• 51:47
  Infuriates me is when people say about this, oh, she didn't
• 51:49
  understand what was happening. She didn't know what an
• 51:51
  antimatic containment field is. Peter Davison, the.
• 51:54
  Actor doesn't know what an antimatic containment film is.
• 51:58
  Just say it with. Convictions.
• 52:00
  Did you ever see the behind the scenes footage of her having
• 52:03
  like a complete diva hissy thing on the Blu-ray?
• 52:06
  Yeah, it's wonderful. I've been waiting here all day
• 52:10
  on the. Bridge.
• 52:12
  I I always feel like like she's had like two or three cocktails
• 52:15
  before she's on any scene because she just later on she's
• 52:18
  like position. The men on the walkway Mr.
• 52:20
  Ringway. Yeah.
• 52:23
  And and she's. So.
• 52:24
  Experienced. But one thing she's not done
• 52:26
  before is this kind of rapid fire doing filming an action
• 52:31
  movie and well, none of them have done it before film and
• 52:33
  action movie in a in a few weeks in a small studio.
• 52:36
  BBCTV Centre. And she's.
• 52:39
  She's. She won.
• 52:40
  She won a Bafta. This year, the Year of this for.
• 52:43
  Her role in Smiley's People, also the other one, one of the
• 52:46
  smiley, I think it was Smiley's people as his his his former
• 52:49
  colleague who's become an alcoholic and is utterly
• 52:52
  whirling in despair. And she gives this tearful
• 52:54
  performance and it's amazing. This woman is famous as a
• 52:57
  comedian, but she knows how to act.
• 52:59
  She she's got the battle for the wrong role.
• 53:01
  She should have got it for this one.
• 53:03
  Yeah, absolutely. She should have got it for this.
• 53:06
  That's the only injustice. Pity I've just what I've just
• 53:10
  written a particularly nasty epital for it.
• 53:12
  She's just. She.
• 53:16
  Hates him and he hates her and you beginning to bore me.
• 53:20
  And you hear like. On on the.
• 53:22
  DVD. On the.
• 53:24
  Special feature on dates back in the day.
• 53:26
  Oh, I'm sorry, this sounded juicy.
• 53:28
  Go on. What was?
• 53:30
  You beginning to bore. Me.
• 53:32
  Oh, that's. All.
• 53:33
  Plenty. Loud because I'm much too nice.
• 53:35
  Oh, I would. Lovely is that a matte painting
• 53:42
  shop where they look down into the whole of the ship and it
• 53:44
  just recedes off into the distance.
• 53:46
  That's as good as the shot in in Indiana Jones of the of the case
• 53:50
  being put away in the in the hangar.
• 53:52
  It's just totally believable there's nothing fake about that.
• 53:58
  I like. I like this character as well,
• 54:02
  hopefully. Is it June?
• 54:03
  Bland. Berger.
• 54:04
  Yeah. Berger.
• 54:06
  She turns up again in Jim Bland passing forward, doesn't she?
• 54:08
  Yeah, that's that's the blind, blind woman.
• 54:12
  And this is what we're doing now, fast.
• 54:14
  It's interesting. This is another episode.
• 54:16
  One we've had, one really good episode, one really tense.
• 54:19
  What's happening? Where are we?
• 54:20
  Who are these people? Which one's the goodie?
• 54:22
  Which is the baddie? Suddenly we're having another
• 54:24
  one do. You know what that means?
• 54:26
  It's almost like. So we'd look to the.
• 54:28
  You know when they do. 6 parters.
• 54:29
  Sometimes they do A4 parter and then write a two-part ecological
• 54:33
  prologue like Seeds of Death. You've got two episodes of the
• 54:36
  in the North Pole and then four episodes back in England.
• 54:39
  It's. Kind of don't I did.
• 54:42
  The thing. I did at least.
• 54:43
  No, at least it's not being recorded.
• 54:44
  I did the thing, yeah, that and season and that has and this is
• 54:50
  a bit like that, but it's A1 parter followed by a three
• 54:52
  parter. Well, I would always say because
• 54:55
  you've got 21 passes. Sorry, two episode ones.
• 54:58
  You're almost like skipping episode three.
• 55:00
  That boring exposition episode. And you'll.
• 55:03
  Put your own straight into two episode fours there Are.
• 55:06
  Some good episode threes out there.
• 55:08
  There are in. Fact episode that is easiest to
• 55:10
  get wrong. I was watching Horror Fang Rock
• 55:13
  the other day and Horror Fang Rock has a fantastic episode 3.
• 55:17
  Sit your death as well. That's the kind of thing that
• 55:18
  lifts, because it's all more and more and more death and more
• 55:22
  scariness. I saw City of Death earlier and
• 55:24
  the episode 3 and that the the exposition was so cleverly
• 55:28
  delivered with like those scenes of the overlapping scare offs
• 55:33
  and things like that. It was really creatively done,
• 55:35
  and sometimes it can just be people standing in a room, you
• 55:39
  know, explaining the plot to this point.
• 55:43
  Capturing and getting escaped again.
• 55:45
  Did you see how many silos there were there?
• 55:47
  Capturing and getting escaped again.
• 55:48
  Escaping and getting captured again, That's correct.
• 55:51
  Having temporal problems due to this being my third glass of
• 55:53
  wine. I'm still on my first man.
• 55:57
  I need to catch up. You. 2.
• 56:02
  I actually think Davidson looks looks great in the house
• 56:04
  Creeping. Around the hold.
• 56:05
  Yeah, I'm sorry. I just got that, that silhouette
• 56:07
  of Davidson there. I think he looks great it.
• 56:11
  Really works. Yeah, it's like, now we look at
• 56:14
  it. And again, the fashionable thing
• 56:15
  to say now is, oh, they made them too cartoony, with each one
• 56:18
  having their own look. But all right, it was sort of
• 56:20
  cartoony. Anything I can kind of object to
• 56:23
  is from having the same like clothes every week.
• 56:26
  Like, you know, I can wear clothes over a couple of.
• 56:28
  Days those Andrea's pyjamas must be.
• 56:31
  Honky, stinky. Oh, there's the rarest of things
• 56:35
  in a minute. Like 2 almighty masculine
• 56:37
  screams. I've heard a few in my time.
• 56:44
  I hadn't thought of it like that.
• 56:52
  Be well back on the bridge. We should stop drinking.
• 57:01
  And it's always nice when characters and doctors who are
• 57:03
  being watched on TV by someone and here they've been burgers
• 57:05
  watching the Berger is watching them on TV just like we are.
• 57:08
  There's, there's those scripts. Now, there's one thing I will
• 57:12
  say about an Ericsson Ward script that is troubling and
• 57:14
  that is the dialogue. Well, sometimes it Well, Pete
• 57:20
  complaints. About.
• 57:22
  This on this ship, we execute murderers.
• 57:26
  Well, yeah. I want them caught.
• 57:31
  This is this is the bed. This this shot.
• 57:33
  Paxson is the bed line of the bedrock of the Ben Jackson
• 57:36
  class. Oh, do you?
• 57:38
  Know I. Sometimes deploy to people.
• 57:39
  That was Conrad's idea. And then realised by me he was
• 57:43
  he was Ron Graner. I was Delia, Derbyshire The.
• 57:46
  The worst thing about that Ben Jackson Claxson thing is I could
• 57:49
  name everyone from every story and I'm like, I've wasted my
• 57:53
  life. No, you have.
• 57:55
  Passed the test. What do they do to murderers?
• 57:59
  On this ship. I think they execute.
• 58:02
  Oh no, they execute them. Do you know what?
• 58:05
  I love the fight as well. There was a whopping close up of
• 58:07
  their bodies there. Like this.
• 58:08
  This is pulling its punctures. You know it's not holding back.
• 58:13
  Just going for it. Oh my, this is such a marvellous
• 58:16
  story. It.
• 58:19
  Is. And.
• 58:19
  And you know. The Doctor is a patchwork.
• 58:22
  That's the whole point. That's why it's lasted this
• 58:24
  long. It has different chops and
• 58:25
  changes completely different style in a couple of years and
• 58:28
  in a couple of years either direction.
• 58:29
  But this is the best one. In.
• 58:32
  My. Opinion Is this Is this your
• 58:33
  favorite Doctor Who story of? All.
• 58:35
  Time Adams, the witty, jolly adventure style Doctor Who seems
• 58:40
  to be the more popular one, but it just it comes and goes.
• 58:43
  It's like flared trousers. Can you think of anything more
• 58:45
  patchwork than the 80s though, like they were peaks and troughs
• 58:49
  in the 80s? Of the Doctor Who specifically,
• 58:53
  yeah. Or just generally.
• 58:54
  No, no. Just just the stories.
• 58:55
  Yeah, just the stories and you And you can go from a Peak to a
• 58:58
  through within a story like Andrezarni to Twin Dilemma. 2
• 59:02
  rolls of the same. The same.
• 59:03
  And that that's because of the freedom and and the yeah and the
• 59:08
  pressures. You can roll the same dice twice
• 59:10
  and you get a case of Andrezarni, one where you can
• 59:11
  twin dile into the next. Although I'm sure there is
• 59:14
  somebody out there who will make the case for the twin dilemma
• 59:17
  and not for the case of Andrezarni.
• 59:20
  Yeah, yeah. And you can.
• 59:21
  That's fine. A hamster with a blunt penknife
• 59:59
  for doing quicker. Quicker, quicker welcome.
• 1:00:04
  Back to a hamster with a blunt penknife.
• 1:00:07
  The Doctor Who Commentary Podcast.
• 1:00:09
  I am still here with the wonderful Pete Lambert.
• 1:00:12
  Say hello, Pete. Hello, Pete.
• 1:00:15
  Does everyone say that? I think everyone's.
• 1:00:16
  That by this point in the evening, one point just one
• 1:00:19
  point in in all. OK, OK, yeah.
• 1:00:21
  Well, you tell me, what are we watching today?
• 1:00:25
  It's been 6 days since Earth Shock episode two was on last
• 1:00:29
  Tuesday, and now it's Monday and it's time for.
• 1:00:31
  Earth shock episode. 3. I want to find out they are.
• 1:00:34
  They are. They are Sider.
• 1:00:36
  Men, I think we've we've we've settled that the arguments are
• 1:00:38
  now over. They are definitely Sider men.
• 1:00:41
  But I'm going to. I want to find out whether they
• 1:00:43
  genuinely do execute murderers on this ship.
• 1:00:46
  So let's go. I will count this inland in
• 1:00:49
  five. 4. 321 let's go. We're rolling.
• 1:00:58
  As you said before Episode 3's have a bad Rep and a story
• 1:01:02
  that's not well written is an episode three that it's most
• 1:01:05
  obvious because right it can be treading water.
• 1:01:07
  Now in my mind's eye that's not the case at all with Earth
• 1:01:11
  shock. But we'll find out I'm going to
• 1:01:13
  cut I I Revere this story so I'm going to I'm going to try and
• 1:01:16
  come at it with an open mind on the Captain.
• 1:01:19
  Sorry. The ratings are up by a million
• 1:01:20
  on the previous week. The the production most what?
• 1:01:22
  Are they What are? They 9.8 million for episode 3.
• 1:01:27
  It's 18, yeah. Remember, in season 18, the
• 1:01:31
  ratings plummeted as low as 3 million at one point.
• 1:01:35
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:01:37
  And to be fair, I was watching Buck Rogers back then as.
• 1:01:40
  Well. Because it was so good.
• 1:01:46
  Oh, they've given her, like, this battered leather jacket,
• 1:01:48
  haven't they? Beryl Wade.
• 1:01:49
  She just makes. The part.
• 1:01:51
  With the massive collar and it's just and this is only 81, so the
• 1:01:55
  80s don't. This is going to sound stupid,
• 1:01:57
  but the 80s don't really know what the 80s are going to be
• 1:02:00
  like yet. Now we can watch it and go, oh,
• 1:02:02
  that's so 80s, but actually at the time and.
• 1:02:05
  And. Like right now in 2021, we don't
• 1:02:07
  really know what the twenty 20s are going to look like in
• 1:02:10
  history. They.
• 1:02:11
  Don't think this is particularly 80s though, not in the same way
• 1:02:15
  something like Time Lash or War is the deep, you know, bright
• 1:02:18
  and garish and colourful. Years later.
• 1:02:20
  And then, yeah, there's not so much, you know, the set is neon
• 1:02:24
  that that they're, they're leather uniforms.
• 1:02:28
  Yeah, they've got shoulder pads, but they're grey with shoulder
• 1:02:30
  pads. But she does not like that is a
• 1:02:33
  proper vampire color. She's so grumpy, isn't she?
• 1:02:37
  I love her. And of course, so you won't know
• 1:02:41
  this but she had a kids show at this time which was everyone
• 1:02:45
  knows Rainbow with John Uncle and Zippy and everything.
• 1:02:48
  And when Rainbow wasn't on one of its and replacements was a
• 1:02:51
  show called Get Up and Go which starred Beryl.
• 1:02:53
  Reed has Beryl as herself, but she lived with a green puppet
• 1:02:57
  cat called Moon Cat who flew from the moon at the start of
• 1:03:00
  every episode. I kind of know what I did.
• 1:03:02
  It was they say I'm the shop. It was a bit vague, slightly
• 1:03:05
  camp and some men came round occasionally.
• 1:03:07
  That often happens at Beryl Reed and and so she was as well as
• 1:03:11
  her always, but she's always on quiz shows like Blankety Bank
• 1:03:14
  and Celebrity Squares. But that was because she was so
• 1:03:17
  famous as a comedian, the comedy actress more and.
• 1:03:20
  But you're saying at the same time she was still getting like
• 1:03:23
  roles that, you know she could potentially win a BAFTA for.
• 1:03:25
  So it wasn't like she was, she was only getting like kids shows
• 1:03:30
  and things like that. Is there a reason, then, why we
• 1:03:32
  all remember Rainbow but we don't remember Beryl Reed's kids
• 1:03:36
  show? Basically, it wasn't that good.
• 1:03:41
  The cat was funny. The cat was a bit like his.
• 1:03:43
  Personality was sort of like a. It was.
• 1:03:44
  It was. Uppity and posh, but also
• 1:03:47
  slightly stoned. Oh, basically.
• 1:03:49
  And it was disdainful, and she was.
• 1:03:51
  She brought it down to earth by by explaining to how things
• 1:03:54
  worked around around the house, that sort of thing.
• 1:03:57
  I really like the fact that they set a lot of the action on this
• 1:04:01
  stairwell because it allows him to do split level action and
• 1:04:05
  direct it a bit more interestingly than, I don't
• 1:04:08
  know, say, do you remember Warriors of the Deep where
• 1:04:10
  everyone just stood in a line and got shot down?
• 1:04:13
  Yeah. Yeah, this I It's such a shame
• 1:04:16
  that Moffett died so young, relatively young and and didn't
• 1:04:21
  go on to great because he was. He was absolutely up there as as
• 1:04:25
  the best, one of the best directors that the show ever had
• 1:04:29
  and he could have come back. It would be a bit old by by the
• 1:04:33
  time that the series came back, but.
• 1:04:35
  You said the Moffett then. Did you mean Grim Wade?
• 1:04:38
  I do mean grim Wade. I thank.
• 1:04:41
  You. How many of you had?
• 1:04:42
  I get my, I do that all the time, but normally it doesn't
• 1:04:48
  matter. It's very rare that I no, no,
• 1:04:49
  it's. Just shit or no?
• 1:04:50
  It's. Not I'm doing this.
• 1:04:52
  When you've got a particularly pissy geek here in front.
• 1:04:54
  Of you, the two doctors is not directed quite as well as this
• 1:04:58
  by by other Moffett. But it does have charms of its
• 1:05:01
  own, I think. It does.
• 1:05:03
  And yeah, and. People, It gets a harder rap
• 1:05:06
  than it than it deserves. Do you think about this?
• 1:05:08
  This the irresponsibility of? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:05:12
  Didn't someone make a complaint? I didn't put a passive bag over
• 1:05:16
  my head because I'm not stupid. And if it's?
• 1:05:19
  A number of stupid, stupid. Children in the world then, you
• 1:05:21
  know it's doing the species a favour.
• 1:05:26
  I love all that piping in their in their leather.
• 1:05:29
  I just think it's such a clever design.
• 1:05:31
  Yeah, and again, that's how you do.
• 1:05:33
  Beryl Reid knows how to deliver exposition.
• 1:05:35
  A bomb on Earth, my. Ship It's like.
• 1:05:40
  That's how you do it. It doesn't fall as a.
• 1:05:42
  Conspirator. They're on my ship.
• 1:05:45
  It's hard for me now to remember, but there was a period
• 1:05:48
  in the 90s when I first started talking to other, discovering
• 1:05:51
  there were other Doctor Who fans, particularly who got
• 1:05:53
  older. One of my friends, Brothers was
• 1:05:55
  like 10 years older and had been a fan in the 70s and he was
• 1:05:58
  about generation of who fans who absolutely just smeared at earth
• 1:06:02
  shotguns like a stupid time. They've got that stupid
• 1:06:04
  comedian. And.
• 1:06:06
  In the Doctor Who story and it was just so silly and.
• 1:06:10
  You've got to remember, though, and that.
• 1:06:12
  Was what a lot of people? Thought for a long time.
• 1:06:14
  You've got to remember we've all had that period of our lives
• 1:06:17
  where we were kind of that person.
• 1:06:18
  Maybe you didn't. I think I had.
• 1:06:20
  Oh my God, I did. I had 10 years.
• 1:06:22
  Well, you know, I would like write off entire eras.
• 1:06:26
  And you know, I couldn't watch any embarrassing effect.
• 1:06:29
  I've been that person. I grew up.
• 1:06:31
  Thank goodness. It's all part of of becoming the
• 1:06:38
  adult fan. It's marvelous when you see the
• 1:06:39
  outcome. It's in episode 3 and the Doctor
• 1:06:42
  does not know what this story is actually about yet.
• 1:06:45
  He gets the best ever. You know, when the Doctor goes
• 1:06:50
  Cybermen, he gets the best. He gets a whopping great close
• 1:06:53
  up. And this I just remember there's
• 1:06:56
  a real parallel here with horror Fang rock which I did a thing on
• 1:07:00
  on track one podcast that's just would have come out a couple of
• 1:07:02
  weeks ago by the time you listening to this and I was
• 1:07:05
  saying on Bat that that has one of the best episode threes as
• 1:07:07
  well and it and it's the same it's in episode.
• 1:07:09
  It's only in episode 3 the Doctor realizes exactly what the
• 1:07:13
  routine is and what it's actually up to and what it can
• 1:07:15
  do. And just as here in Earth Shock,
• 1:07:18
  this is, this is the episode where the Doctor realizes we're
• 1:07:20
  ahead of it. We know what he's What is it in
• 1:07:22
  for? So I'd say in episode 3 of
• 1:07:25
  Horror Fan Rock is when, like, lots of people start dying.
• 1:07:27
  But people have been dying throughout this story like this
• 1:07:30
  is this is a massacre. I won't refuse losing my bonus
• 1:07:35
  for a few miserable Stow. I see she's pissed.
• 1:07:38
  I'm telling you, she's drunk. And she's the she's the the
• 1:07:46
  manager, the team manager and and Berger is the one who
• 1:07:49
  actually knows what the antimatic containment field is
• 1:07:51
  and actually knows how to do it all and.
• 1:07:53
  As. As a youngster I might have
• 1:07:55
  thought, well that's completely unrealistic, but obviously the
• 1:07:57
  manager knows everything. There's a more wise person now
• 1:08:00
  who's actually seeing the world, although I know that is exactly
• 1:08:02
  how it. Is Pete.
• 1:08:03
  I'm a manager and I will tell you, yeah, but you're right
• 1:08:06
  entirely. I think I could say that from
• 1:08:08
  both both perspectives. I love the fact there's work.
• 1:08:11
  She is playing it with utter conviction.
• 1:08:13
  Like there are guest actors in the ACS, Richard Bryant, say
• 1:08:18
  Tony Selby. They're kind of playing, playing
• 1:08:22
  out the roles where she is just playing it straight.
• 1:08:25
  Yeah, and and there's playing out because it's fun.
• 1:08:28
  I mean, no one would criticise Helena in the in the Happiness
• 1:08:32
  Patrol for going over the top. My name's Maya's gone blank.
• 1:08:37
  She, of course. She's not.
• 1:08:39
  Ellen. Ellen played by Really famous.
• 1:08:42
  Sheila Hancock, me. Sheila.
• 1:08:43
  Hancock, thank you. Yeah, obviously she goes,
• 1:08:46
  because it's the happiness with all everything.
• 1:08:48
  That's the tone of the whole thing.
• 1:08:50
  But that wouldn't work in this, and Beryl Reid knows that.
• 1:08:54
  Because she. Because she is a she.
• 1:08:55
  Can She? Could have.
• 1:08:56
  She could have made this funnier if she wanted to, but she
• 1:09:01
  hasn't. Like that line she has about the
• 1:09:02
  Terrified. Peter Grimm, Wade, do you?
• 1:09:04
  Remember the line about the epital?
• 1:09:05
  Like she could play that up. Yeah.
• 1:09:07
  But she. But she doesn't.
• 1:09:09
  Yeah, you could easily hang that up.
• 1:09:11
  There's a wonderful moment. Though it's funny anyway.
• 1:09:13
  You don't need to hang it up, but it is funny obviously.
• 1:09:15
  There's a wonderful bit where she's being manhandled by the
• 1:09:18
  cyber men and you can see Beryl read this.
• 1:09:20
  This is not what I signed up for.
• 1:09:29
  Oh, that was the famous line, wasn't it?
• 1:09:30
  Can we hold Warp's breathe? Is that is that?
• 1:09:32
  Next to. And is what the latest?
• 1:09:34
  She says. We're coming out of warp, Dr.
• 1:09:36
  And that was the one. Or is that just off, just off
• 1:09:39
  the High Street warp? Drive.
• 1:09:40
  You can see in the outtakes as well, she's just baffled by all
• 1:09:43
  of this. So the fact that.
• 1:09:45
  She Davidson. Look at Davidson doing.
• 1:09:47
  The Trout in the hands. He's doing the thing with his
• 1:09:48
  fingers, drumming his fingers against each other.
• 1:09:51
  That's the word for it. That's straight out of Patrick
• 1:09:53
  and Trout. I love Tegan just running around
• 1:09:56
  with a gun. Yeah, she's she's Ripley.
• 1:09:59
  That's the thing, people. Used to say.
• 1:10:01
  Only Caspar or Reader's Ripley's like, no, they tegan's Ripley.
• 1:10:04
  Obviously she hasn't got time to do all that much about it.
• 1:10:07
  But, and it's great again, it's not taken for granted in 1981
• 1:10:12
  that you've got women in both of the military groups.
• 1:10:14
  You've got a woman with the the troopers.
• 1:10:16
  Who's. Coming along, coming along there
• 1:10:18
  with Tegan and you've got a grey haired woman among the security
• 1:10:20
  guards packing, packing a weapon too on on the freighter.
• 1:10:27
  I wonder if that was in the script or if it was a Grimoire
• 1:10:29
  choice. I mean, resurrection has its
• 1:10:34
  fair share of like female representation as well.
• 1:10:38
  So in fact, so does Revelation. Revelation does too.
• 1:10:42
  So maybe Eric's award is is just a prominent for writing strong
• 1:10:46
  women. And now it's a battle on the
• 1:10:49
  staircase, hiding behind some boxes.
• 1:10:51
  I mean, that is, if you're playing Doctor Who at home with
• 1:10:54
  your siblings. That is exactly the kind of
• 1:10:56
  situation you get into. Some boxes on, some stairs to
• 1:10:58
  hide behind. I love this.
• 1:11:01
  I love this. The March of the cyber music.
• 1:11:05
  Yeah, when this came out on the album The Doctor Who, the music
• 1:11:10
  came out a few months after this, I think.
• 1:11:12
  Did you know the way, the way he positioned that camera, you just
• 1:11:16
  saw some hella cyber crotches and in a minute you're going to
• 1:11:20
  see some hella cyber arse as well?
• 1:11:23
  Grim Wade knew where to put his camera.
• 1:11:25
  There we go, yes. There you.
• 1:11:33
  Go. Here we go.
• 1:11:34
  This zoom in and they. Emerge out the darkness again.
• 1:11:38
  It's just are these your friends?
• 1:11:42
  It's like how your mother would tell you when some drunk people
• 1:11:44
  turn up, put your parts are. These friends of yours?
• 1:11:53
  Oh, he plays that so well. The only thing about the design
• 1:11:56
  I don't think quite works is the moon boots.
• 1:11:59
  Suddenly. You're going to say.
• 1:12:01
  That I mean. Yes.
• 1:12:04
  We don't see much of them to be fair he he often shoots load
• 1:12:07
  like up to make them more. Medicine.
• 1:12:11
  And it's it's a really good idea that the side men and the
• 1:12:13
  troopers have both got different sound effects for their guns,
• 1:12:17
  You can see. You can hear.
• 1:12:18
  Who's shooting him as well as seeing it which?
• 1:12:24
  Jesus bodies. Everywhere just.
• 1:12:26
  Bodies everywhere, yeah, and I'll bless them.
• 1:12:29
  The side of men are really strong sidemen.
• 1:12:30
  Actors are really struggling to find somewhere to put their feet
• 1:12:32
  on the staircases. Wouldn't you in?
• 1:12:35
  Those boots. Piles of corpses.
• 1:12:40
  No, this is nice. Him going set your weapons for
• 1:12:42
  kill because that was like Captain Kirk's famous.
• 1:12:44
  One of Captain Kirk's catchphrases was set your
• 1:12:48
  weapons for stun. That was being lit.
• 1:12:50
  Did you notice that was being lit from below?
• 1:12:52
  Like that's so rare in this time.
• 1:12:55
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like his ring ring way
• 1:12:57
  creeping up on someone. You just get a shot of his feet
• 1:12:59
  walking into camera 1st and then the camera up, hands up.
• 1:13:02
  And then look at this going up the stair.
• 1:13:04
  Oh, it's the direction is so good.
• 1:13:06
  OK and the the production note subtitles, they just told me
• 1:13:09
  that the the the dead woman at the time men are stepping over
• 1:13:11
  is Val Mccrimmon. Who was a?
• 1:13:13
  Production assistant usually, but in this she got cast as a as
• 1:13:16
  an extra. As well.
• 1:13:17
  She's seen at some point in this.
• 1:13:19
  I know, I know there's a scene where she's in the shadows and
• 1:13:23
  you can see her turning a script, and it's actually in the
• 1:13:26
  story. I don't know where it is though.
• 1:13:28
  I've never been able to see her pointing.
• 1:13:31
  Your gun in the room, did you? Gun in the room.
• 1:13:36
  Even the reveal of this with him, he stood there for a minute
• 1:13:40
  and none of them see him. We we see him first.
• 1:13:43
  I'm having too much fun with this one and.
• 1:13:50
  Then there's this little corridor.
• 1:13:51
  It is a corridor just outside the oh, I'm wrong, I'm a
• 1:13:55
  criminal. Isn't that?
• 1:13:56
  She's still there with her, with her little.
• 1:13:57
  I'm going to. Try and preserve her.
• 1:13:59
  I'm going to see if I can see her with her.
• 1:14:00
  She's not got. She's nearly gone now.
• 1:14:04
  Your crew is redundant. You.
• 1:14:09
  Traitor. Oh, wonderful.
• 1:14:19
  A nice doctor drop. So this is the doctor announcing
• 1:14:21
  that the site men are allergic to gold.
• 1:14:22
  Gold because he's posh the people.
• 1:14:25
  Does anyone say gold? Still, but and because there was
• 1:14:30
  a fairly growing list at this point of things that the side
• 1:14:33
  men can be killed by like guns, gold, Gold that had a problem
• 1:14:38
  with gravity, radiation. Although they kind of settled on
• 1:14:42
  gold, didn't they? They settled on gold in the 80s.
• 1:14:44
  That was kind of like a de facto side man weakness.
• 1:14:48
  Yeah. A little bit of exposition about
• 1:14:51
  tomb and the side men and. Here we go.
• 1:14:53
  So yeah, the. Doctor's in for.
• 1:14:54
  Dumping the side, men. History to us, but pointedly
• 1:14:57
  he's doing it so that Andrew will overhear him.
• 1:14:58
  So it that that's a logical rational info dump and.
• 1:15:03
  Finally, he. Doesn't know.
• 1:15:04
  That bloody badge has got a use. Oh, look at her.
• 1:15:11
  Chop him. Yeah, karate job that I've got a
• 1:15:14
  gift. There's a gift of that the guys
• 1:15:16
  who do the old Doctor Who show podcast.
• 1:15:19
  Some American guys who were leaping around in old Doctor Who
• 1:15:22
  and having a great time with it. Sorry, that is an amazing gift.
• 1:15:26
  Here's the bit with the doors where you see the side of the
• 1:15:28
  silhouette of the side of man. The doctor leaps his hand on the
• 1:15:31
  door and it's on the door switch and and the door closes and it's
• 1:15:35
  just so fast cut. It's it deserves all the awards.
• 1:15:40
  It's it's 2 seconds and it's like 4 shots in two seconds.
• 1:15:44
  Silhouette Cyberman hand on switch door slams.
• 1:15:47
  Do you know something this story does really, really well?
• 1:15:49
  The Doctor Who doesn't do very often and that is like jump
• 1:15:52
  shocks. So there were a couple there
• 1:15:54
  when they realised they were coming in the door and he's
• 1:15:55
  like, you know, shut the door in a minute.
• 1:15:58
  There's a bit where there's a woman coming out of the TARDIS
• 1:16:00
  and one of the sidemen just grabs her and she screams her
• 1:16:03
  head off like this is, this is like.
• 1:16:08
  We just missed because we were enthusing.
• 1:16:09
  About something else, the bit where the Doctor asks how many
• 1:16:12
  crates there are in the hold and she goes, oh, there's about
• 1:16:15
  10,000 of them. And then there's just that close
• 1:16:18
  up on her and she goes that's. That's not possible.
• 1:16:21
  And if she was having that, If she was.
• 1:16:22
  Doing a Graham. Crowd and.
• 1:16:24
  And going, that's not possible. Like in it was a nine month.
• 1:16:29
  It would be funnier we'd be having.
• 1:16:31
  We would have laughed. She could have said three.
• 1:16:34
  I've seen 3. Yeah.
• 1:16:38
  Yeah, she does. She does play it well.
• 1:16:40
  Oh, now there is OK. I've got a slight criticism here
• 1:16:43
  that is a bit where they're reacting.
• 1:16:45
  Reacting to the door is incredible.
• 1:16:49
  Yeah. But the Simon?
• 1:16:50
  'S got that thing that looks like an amazing 80s electric
• 1:16:52
  guitar. They're about to start blasting,
• 1:16:55
  but I'm not the epitaph. I'll forgive it, you know, for
• 1:16:58
  that that shot of the Simon stuck in the door.
• 1:17:01
  Yes, we're coming up to that is one of the best about and and
• 1:17:05
  see having that flash on your screen.
• 1:17:07
  When you're 7 1/2. And then that's it.
• 1:17:09
  It's gone. You're probably never going to
• 1:17:10
  see it again. It stays in your mind and you're
• 1:17:12
  describing it to your friends afterwards.
• 1:17:15
  And then when it was repeated the next summer, I guess it was
• 1:17:18
  the summer of the following year.
• 1:17:20
  You were just. Waiting for that bit to come and
• 1:17:22
  thinking maybe it wasn't as good as I remembered.
• 1:17:24
  And it. Just is our.
• 1:17:26
  Other side of the guards having a chit chat.
• 1:17:29
  Why? Are you doing these like gossipy
• 1:17:31
  hand gestures? And to be fair, the only one
• 1:17:38
  who's not convincing is Matthew Waterhouse going.
• 1:17:40
  You know, Doctor? Oh no.
• 1:17:42
  Barrel Reed has a goat. Barrel Reed has a goat as well.
• 1:17:45
  OK, well, listen, OK we're going to rate their reactions now to
• 1:17:48
  to OK being to be you know they can't see what that what it
• 1:17:53
  actually looks like. So I'm going to and.
• 1:17:59
  The, so the. Doctor is slotting into them
• 1:18:00
  with with the two of them. He's getting burger to show him
• 1:18:03
  the burger to show him the equipment.
• 1:18:06
  The Captain doesn't actually know how it works.
• 1:18:07
  Neither does Bell or Eat. That doesn't matter.
• 1:18:10
  And this is. Just to remind us that she
• 1:18:13
  actually exists. Yeah, it's disappointing for
• 1:18:16
  Sarah Sutton, but again, all right in this one, she's being a
• 1:18:18
  hurrah on on on the Enterprise. But don't worry Pete, She gets
• 1:18:22
  loads to do in time. Time flight.
• 1:18:25
  She gets to be possessing time, flight.
• 1:18:27
  Run around, she does loads. Yeah, it's just this isn't her
• 1:18:31
  week. That's all.
• 1:18:31
  Right. Wait.
• 1:18:32
  Till after Infinity, she's running around with a bloody
• 1:18:34
  gun. Knocking everyone out.
• 1:18:38
  Oh. There's lots of technobabble
• 1:18:42
  here. This is the Can you deliver
• 1:18:44
  technobabble convincingly because none of it makes sense.
• 1:18:46
  Yeah, yeah. And and Davidson does it by
• 1:18:50
  acting that he finds it frustrating that he's got to do
• 1:18:53
  it, but at the same time, he knows it's his.
• 1:18:55
  You've got to tell it to Addrick.
• 1:18:57
  So he does. Now he also does like the David
• 1:18:59
  Tennant thing of just talking really fast.
• 1:19:02
  Yes, yeah. So by the time he's at the.
• 1:19:04
  End I'm only noticing. Right now in big.
• 1:19:07
  Red letters above Davidson's head is a sign at the back of
• 1:19:09
  the room that says ESCAPE POD. I wonder if that is going to
• 1:19:12
  come. Into force, into force.
• 1:19:14
  Into action. Come on, lad.
• 1:19:18
  Sorry, I can't stop. Quit.
• 1:19:19
  Barry Oh, here we go. Barry's reaction.
• 1:19:22
  Oh, it's amazing. She's a pro because she's
• 1:19:27
  pretending it's really hot, so her whole body is back, right?
• 1:19:31
  Yeah, yeah. And they only get one take.
• 1:19:33
  You watch Tegan well, Warrior. Is coming up on the.
• 1:19:37
  Production of subtitles that they did have to do lots of
• 1:19:39
  retakes, but it was because of stuff like Boom Mike's Getting
• 1:19:42
  into shot and things like that. Look at this, the accent.
• 1:19:45
  Oh. Tegan.
• 1:19:45
  Get out of a gun. What?
• 1:19:47
  Do you warrior? Woman.
• 1:19:48
  Cyber bastard. This is just like Leela's
• 1:19:50
  killing the Rooten. Yeah.
• 1:19:54
  Did you know I've been hard on Tegan's right there?
• 1:19:56
  Well, no. Do you still peanuts on her
• 1:20:00
  flight or lit up a cigarette in her in her toilet on her flight?
• 1:20:04
  You'll get that treatment. Oh, did you see the the the big
• 1:20:07
  moon booths were really easy there for them to pull him away
• 1:20:09
  then that's that's what that's what they're there for.
• 1:20:14
  Now, by all accounts, David Banks is quite a camp man, but
• 1:20:18
  he he carries himself so Butch in his yeah, Oh yeah, there we
• 1:20:24
  go, Simon and the. Doctor Unfortunately, the Doctor
• 1:20:29
  can't count to 2 and has forgotten that that is the
• 1:20:31
  number of doors that there are. Can I can I tell you quickly, my
• 1:20:35
  dream companion cast So I would have had Amelia Ducat stay on
• 1:20:41
  from season 2, I would have had Amelia Rumford stay on from
• 1:20:46
  Stones of Blood and then I would have had Barrel Reef.
• 1:20:49
  Imagine the three of them and Peter Davidson.
• 1:20:52
  They did a British remake of Golden Girls and it was dismal,
• 1:20:56
  it was dreadful and they didn't even show all the episodes.
• 1:20:58
  They only filmed about six with Wendy Craig, Jean Bot from Bread
• 1:21:03
  and a couple of other people, and you've just given a much
• 1:21:06
  better cast of it than that. If they may remade The Golden
• 1:21:08
  Girls in Britain with With Those and Peter, Peter.
• 1:21:11
  Davidson. As as Rose.
• 1:21:14
  Well, because he was. He was in everything in the 80s,
• 1:21:16
  wasn't he? So he.
• 1:21:17
  Was in. Every programme he was on, every
• 1:21:19
  single night, It's hard to understand.
• 1:21:22
  Do you know I'd love it when they make a door out of balsa
• 1:21:25
  wood like? Yeah.
• 1:21:27
  OK. That it does flap a little bit.
• 1:21:29
  But that's just because the. Cybermen are so damn Butch that
• 1:21:32
  when they hit iron, it crumbles and turns to balsa wood.
• 1:21:36
  They're already doing some great staring up, frightened at the
• 1:21:39
  Cybermen acting. Matthew Ball has not do it too
• 1:21:41
  badly either, you know. Yeah.
• 1:21:43
  No, it's. Difficult giving a bit like side
• 1:21:45
  eye there. Look, frightened.
• 1:21:52
  Anything that they're going to kill the doctor.
• 1:21:55
  But. They've got something else in
• 1:21:57
  plan. They kill the Ringway because
• 1:22:00
  it's only a four part story and we haven't got time for him to
• 1:22:03
  have a longer path. You know, I don't know.
• 1:22:05
  This is the wine talking. I'm going to be really shallow
• 1:22:08
  now. I think I'm quite hot for the
• 1:22:10
  80s side men, you know I. Thought you were going to say
• 1:22:13
  Ringway? It's the voice.
• 1:22:17
  Yeah, the leather. Jeez, so this poor woman who's
• 1:22:22
  been trapped in the TARDIS is about to be Mr. Kyle.
• 1:22:25
  Executing. Fucking PhD.
• 1:22:27
  She just wants to get it written up and submitted for approval.
• 1:22:30
  I now know PhD students. I now think, yeah, that's pretty
• 1:22:33
  much what she's like. She's probably working
• 1:22:34
  three-part time jobs and all this shit's going on.
• 1:22:37
  All of my friends have been nurturing.
• 1:22:39
  She's had a. She's on a bloody spaceship.
• 1:22:41
  Like Wonderful Life. And she's going to die on the
• 1:22:44
  periphery of a Doctor Who story. But what a way to go if you're
• 1:22:49
  going to go down and go down in Flames pirouette.
• 1:22:54
  Now you will see strange oh. My God.
• 1:23:00
  Amazing. And and what's his name?
• 1:23:07
  He did the music, you said. Earlier Malcolm.
• 1:23:09
  Didn't see that Michael Malcolm Clark.
• 1:23:10
  Yeah, he does that thing where the the.
• 1:23:13
  Music. Is so close to being a sound
• 1:23:16
  effect, you're not entirely sure quite where the line is there,
• 1:23:19
  but there is a line, just like in the Sea Devils look at.
• 1:23:22
  The direction. Here the sidemen covered in
• 1:23:24
  foil, covered in plastic. And just really.
• 1:23:29
  And it's such a shame in attack of the cyber men when they come
• 1:23:32
  out of the tombs they. Didn't.
• 1:23:34
  They didn't have this direction. They tried to do it in the
• 1:23:38
  sewers, didn't they? With like the wall coming out,
• 1:23:40
  but it was nowhere did it. It had this moment, yeah, it had
• 1:23:42
  this moment. But the but the bit with the
• 1:23:44
  Tombs, they just didn't. Get to.
• 1:23:46
  Do it like this. The thing with this though, it
• 1:23:48
  had three episodes of build up and this is like the payoff.
• 1:23:53
  Yeah, and there are thousands of them.
• 1:23:56
  His army 08 weeks. Doctor.
• 1:24:02
  I'll even forgive the fact that they've like tripled.
• 1:24:04
  That's the. Split stream and they do.
• 1:24:06
  It does cut away just before they start going into each
• 1:24:09
  other, but. Yeah, that And now that's not.
• 1:24:13
  That's what. I'm trying to do in episode
• 1:24:15
  three. Yeah, that is I like, like that
• 1:24:17
  is memorable material. That is, like, is that like, the
• 1:24:22
  most memorable set piece involving the side men?
• 1:24:26
  Yeah, I mean that and that and my waking up in 2.
• 1:24:30
  Originally. Which, of course, is a story
• 1:24:32
  that we'll never, ever get to see.
• 1:24:34
  We'll only ever see a handful of photos of it, and there's no
• 1:24:36
  imaginable way that we the. Soundtrack is amazing though.
• 1:24:39
  Have you not heard the soundtrack of the Colin Baker
• 1:24:41
  narration? The Cyber Controller was
• 1:24:46
  hideous. Fabulous, though.
• 1:24:52
  I mean, I can't imagine how this story could get more exciting.
• 1:24:56
  No, this is the thing so as to receive Episode 3.
• 1:24:59
  Is that good? That means episode 4 is probably
• 1:25:00
  a bit of a comes out of interesting.
• 1:25:02
  I bet I've watched all two a lot.
• 1:25:04
  There's going to be a reset switch, and also now that none
• 1:25:06
  of this really happened. They'll all survive, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:11
  We know how it goes. We.
• 1:25:13
  Know how it goes. God bless you, Peter Grimley.
• 1:25:39
  The hamster with a blunt pen knife.
• 1:25:50
  We're doing quicker, quicker, quicker.
• 1:25:55
  Welcome back to Hamster with a blunt pen knife.
• 1:25:59
  I am still here. It's day four for you guys.
• 1:26:02
  It's the same evening for us. I'm still here with the
• 1:26:04
  wonderful Pete Lambert. Say hello, Pete.
• 1:26:08
  Hello Pete. It is nice to be here still with
• 1:26:11
  you, Joe, after and and yeah, as people who are, if you're just
• 1:26:14
  listening to this as the first episode, you might want to
• 1:26:17
  rewind and go back two or three episodes ago to find some sober
• 1:26:21
  people reviewing a shock episode one, because what's about to
• 1:26:24
  happen now is different from that in many.
• 1:26:27
  Ways I was. Just saying off off camera, that
• 1:26:34
  off camera, I can't stop saying that off mic that I usually have
• 1:26:38
  one drink a night and this is my third now.
• 1:26:40
  So let's let's pray that we can get through this.
• 1:26:45
  I am queued up and ready to go if you are.
• 1:26:48
  Absolutely. I'm raring to go.
• 1:26:50
  We're having great fun and Andrea has never seemed happier.
• 1:26:54
  Do. You know, yeah, I feel like.
• 1:26:56
  I feel like when his tardish travels end, he's feeling like
• 1:26:59
  falling in love like Leela did, or something wonderful like
• 1:27:01
  that. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:04
  It's completely, convincingly fall in love like Leela did.
• 1:27:07
  Or like like he should have. He could have like hopped off
• 1:27:10
  and Lugopolis like the Planet of Maths.
• 1:27:12
  That would have been perfect for him.
• 1:27:14
  Well, actually. And what time flight has an
• 1:27:19
  alien that desperately needs to merge?
• 1:27:21
  With a with his. Brain with a Mathematical Genius
• 1:27:24
  Professor Hayter A times that ends with a mathematical genius
• 1:27:27
  going off to have an amazing transdimensional experience of
• 1:27:31
  existence on a new realm by merging with the the Xerophins,
• 1:27:35
  I think Xerophins, yeah. So maybe you'll have a.
• 1:27:38
  Lot of it's been as a memorable ending as this, though.
• 1:27:43
  I don't know what even you're referring to.
• 1:27:45
  Oh, yeah, sorry. No, we don't know what's.
• 1:27:47
  Leaving it doesn't say anything. In the Radio Times about Attic
• 1:27:49
  leaving. In fact, I could have sworn I
• 1:27:50
  read in the Radio Times that he's in time Fly.
• 1:27:54
  Oh, well, there we go then. Yeah, I mean, he's the main one.
• 1:27:56
  Obviously he's the main, the. Main man, I mean he's he's the
• 1:27:58
  longest running regular. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 1:28:02
  He he is the the senior member of the cast at this point.
• 1:28:05
  Skillfully active. Seven and. 1/2 year old who's
• 1:28:08
  moderately good at maths. We'll we'll tell you that he's
• 1:28:10
  the most realistic and convincing character in it.
• 1:28:12
  Certainly more convincing than any air Hostess I've ever met.
• 1:28:15
  Oh, good grief. Yes, honestly, she's just
• 1:28:18
  walking around with a gun shooting side men.
• 1:28:21
  All right, OK, so I'm queued up. Are you queued up?
• 1:28:24
  I am. What?
• 1:28:25
  What does that even mean? I don't know why I say that I'm
• 1:28:28
  going to count as in though in five. 4. 3.
• 1:28:32
  Two. Let's go.
• 1:28:36
  Rocket This doesn't feel like a Tuesday night kind of thing, but
• 1:28:43
  it is a Tuesday night as we. Record.
• 1:28:45
  So that's entirely appropriate. So our episode 2 and our episode
• 1:28:50
  four were recorded on precisely the right evening.
• 1:28:54
  It just popped up on the on the on the information subtitles
• 1:28:58
  that the the Radio Times and this billing for this was.
• 1:29:01
  Can the doctor say Badrick? That's a question, of course he.
• 1:29:07
  Can he's in bloody time Flight. Of course he can.
• 1:29:10
  Yeah. You know Peter Davidson's hair
• 1:29:13
  is very long. It is.
• 1:29:16
  And Peter Davidson. Hair envy is a real thing, on
• 1:29:20
  Twitter particularly. Oh look, Paul Bearer already
• 1:29:24
  being manhandled. This the ship is in.
• 1:29:27
  Warp Dr. That's the line. Oh God, yeah.
• 1:29:31
  David Banks chucks her across the room.
• 1:29:33
  Man doesn't. He.
• 1:29:35
  Tegan's hiding under the stairs with a gun.
• 1:29:38
  She trained to do that at Qantas.
• 1:29:39
  Look, she's really critical of this Look like her hair in this
• 1:29:43
  story. I was listening to a bit of
• 1:29:44
  commentary earlier. I actually think this is her
• 1:29:46
  best look. Yeah, and it's often I don't
• 1:29:49
  know. It's funny when you see, you
• 1:29:50
  hear. A commentary or something Alison
• 1:29:51
  Moyet off of singing. Did a DVD.
• 1:29:55
  Of all of her videos and did. A commentary.
• 1:29:57
  And all the way through it all the. 80s ones you.
• 1:29:59
  Just go Oh, I look so awful. Here, why did I let them make me
• 1:30:02
  put that dress on? I don't.
• 1:30:04
  Know and it's. Like all of her most famous
• 1:30:05
  videos, and she just thinks she looks dreadful.
• 1:30:07
  And it's like, no, it's not. I mean, it's the 80s, there were
• 1:30:11
  far worse sins committed there. Is an innuendo edit to be done
• 1:30:15
  at this job, but it's just the lines of people commenting on
• 1:30:17
  how huge things are. Oh, Pete, there's an innuendo
• 1:30:20
  edit, ironically, of every Doctor Who story, I think,
• 1:30:24
  actually. Yes.
• 1:30:26
  Whatever sucks can be blown. I think that's a line.
• 1:30:35
  So they've locked off the coordinates.
• 1:30:36
  They're turning. Their tongues into a.
• 1:30:38
  Flying Bomb. People say Earth sock has plot
• 1:30:40
  holes. And I've never, really.
• 1:30:41
  Pinned them down because I just. No it doesn't.
• 1:30:45
  It's just like. If you have a if you have a
• 1:30:46
  failure of imagination so that you can't imagine that
• 1:30:50
  obviously. When when for example later when
• 1:30:52
  it does the time travel bit, obviously the earth has moved.
• 1:30:54
  The earth is always moving. Whatever is, the time travel
• 1:30:57
  override thing is going to factor that in.
• 1:30:59
  They don't need to spell it out. That's not a prop hole.
• 1:31:02
  But do you know what I think? And I'm speaking as an online
• 1:31:05
  reviewer here. I think you can overanalyse
• 1:31:07
  these things and forget that this is just supposed to be
• 1:31:10
  enjoyable, you know? Yeah, and and.
• 1:31:16
  Here we go. The conference.
• 1:31:17
  The reason for the red alert? It's all time back to episode
• 1:31:19
  one. This is how you do an.
• 1:31:21
  Episode So what is it? It's a conference of all, like
• 1:31:23
  the great space races coming together against the Cybermen.
• 1:31:28
  I love the fact that the one thing the side of them really
• 1:31:30
  hate is conferences. Really.
• 1:31:33
  Me too. Conferences are illogical.
• 1:31:36
  We shall destroy them all. Oh.
• 1:31:37
  Yes. Lovely bit of silver chin going
• 1:31:41
  on here as David Manks addresses the camera again.
• 1:31:43
  I've only. Really.
• 1:31:44
  Really noticing this time how much he talks to the camera.
• 1:31:48
  Yes, Doctor, despite your interference, we will still
• 1:31:54
  triumph. And I think he's watched Synth
• 1:31:59
  Planet. Because.
• 1:32:00
  He's doing with his voice cadences, the up and down thing
• 1:32:03
  at only a tiny bit, but in a way that that even was it.
• 1:32:07
  Christopher, Robbie and Revenge Didn't, didn't, wasn't doing.
• 1:32:10
  I think, I think he's watched. Be confirmed it It's that sing
• 1:32:14
  song thing that's discordant and unsettling.
• 1:32:17
  He has watched Revenge of the Assignment as well and seen how
• 1:32:19
  far over the top he can go. Yeah.
• 1:32:22
  Yeah. The The hold is crawling with
• 1:32:27
  robots, crawling with is a thing in Doctor Who.
• 1:32:31
  The line The Place is crawling with Daleks turns up in about 6
• 1:32:35
  Dalek stories. I think they're probably all
• 1:32:37
  Eric's award stories. I mean, the dialogue is a bit
• 1:32:40
  clunky. I just saw that woman a minute
• 1:32:43
  ago, the woman who's about to get jumped on by a side mode
• 1:32:45
  which comes out of the TARDIS. She's in every scene with with
• 1:32:49
  James Warwick looking really like apprehensive and and I'm
• 1:32:53
  scared and with good reason. She's about to die, yes.
• 1:32:59
  And there's a little bit of humour.
• 1:33:00
  From Dave though there. As compared to some, this one is
• 1:33:03
  positively flippant. This is a story that I could not
• 1:33:06
  imagine Tom Baker in. Just no, not at all the.
• 1:33:10
  Feeling of panic, The fact that the Doctor gets panicked about
• 1:33:16
  how this is all going out of his control.
• 1:33:18
  Oh, I think he. Tries to shoot the Cyberman and
• 1:33:19
  the gun doesn't work when he gets grabbed.
• 1:33:21
  Do you know I can't imagine Tom Baker losing like this other
• 1:33:24
  season? 19 stories.
• 1:33:26
  Like. Kinder Kinder would be very
• 1:33:29
  different with Tom Baker, but it would still work.
• 1:33:30
  He would totally be there with Mary Morris.
• 1:33:33
  Wouldn't he try and dominate that like he he would?
• 1:33:37
  Oh. That's a point.
• 1:33:38
  And when What's his names doing going mad?
• 1:33:40
  Tom would try to outact him and that wouldn't work, whereas when
• 1:33:44
  he goes, when Hindle goes back, oh hang on, here we go.
• 1:33:46
  Sorry, that woman just got jumped on that gets.
• 1:33:49
  Me everywhere. Oh, IP.
• 1:33:51
  That woman. Action in the TARDIS?
• 1:33:53
  Is this the first time we've seen serious action?
• 1:33:56
  Gunfire in the TARDIS. Imagine imagine little 7 year
• 1:34:00
  old P watching this like oh this is my safe space, the TARDIS.
• 1:34:05
  Yeah, a battle inside the TARDIS.
• 1:34:08
  This is reaching for the door control and you and and it.
• 1:34:11
  And because they took the effort of establishing an episode one,
• 1:34:14
  in case you didn't already know that the big red one is the door
• 1:34:17
  when this is desperately reaching for it.
• 1:34:20
  If this was the first episode of Doctor here.
• 1:34:22
  Oh no, Professor. Kyle She's dead and.
• 1:34:24
  She never got to do anything interesting.
• 1:34:27
  Never mind this, Sir. Everyone you've ever met is
• 1:34:30
  dead, Nessa. Don't worry.
• 1:34:31
  It's just one more. Yeah, Planet.
• 1:34:32
  Yeah. Sorry, that's not me.
• 1:34:33
  But it's true. I mean, I'm sorry.
• 1:34:36
  OK, you bring up a good point there we must address.
• 1:34:39
  This the lack. Of Well, I mean, sorry,
• 1:34:43
  something happens to Adric at the end of this story, which I
• 1:34:45
  won't tell you about. But in the next story, I guess I
• 1:34:47
  see they deal with that in like, a two-minute scene, Yeah?
• 1:34:51
  Yeah, Nice. Yeah.
• 1:34:52
  OK, I'm done. But anyway, let's go on holiday.
• 1:34:56
  I just. Think.
• 1:34:58
  Good, that's what you do. Paul, listen, You're right.
• 1:35:02
  Listen. Howard locked in a bloody
• 1:35:04
  castle, headbutting a crystal to.
• 1:35:06
  Dig his out the tunnel. At the end of it.
• 1:35:09
  Oh, I love you. Oh.
• 1:35:13
  God, people think that episode is so fucking profound, man.
• 1:35:17
  Headbutting a crystal for an hour.
• 1:35:18
  We're all to bring an annoying woman back to life anyway, we're
• 1:35:21
  not really doing that. We're doing, yes.
• 1:35:23
  No, but it gets me terribly excited for your appearance on
• 1:35:26
  another podcast we're doing. Now emotion is a weakness.
• 1:35:35
  Oh, Dave's so fab. Here look.
• 1:35:36
  At and Davidson is actually weighing up whether or not to
• 1:35:38
  let them shoot Tegan, but he decides against it.
• 1:35:40
  He made the wrong choice. Oh yeah, you're right.
• 1:35:50
  That sort of thing. You see this a lot and this get
• 1:35:53
  this when the dog. When when Jodie Whittaker does
• 1:35:55
  this kind of thing, everyone goes ape shit for it against it
• 1:35:59
  on Twitter. Oh, she's not being a.
• 1:36:01
  Hero why isn't she saved in the day and it's.
• 1:36:03
  Like. You haven't ever watched Doctor
• 1:36:05
  Who before. Or Doctor Who before 2007.
• 1:36:09
  Say if you think that the Doctor is someone who always does
• 1:36:12
  something heroic and brave and points a magic spork at
• 1:36:15
  something and fixes it. But let's be honest, Pete.
• 1:36:17
  They're just looking for anything to bitch about.
• 1:36:20
  Anything at all. Whereas I would only have a
• 1:36:24
  picture about other people who bitch.
• 1:36:25
  Which is superior bitch, That's. Way more fun.
• 1:36:32
  The ultimate in my emotional response.
• 1:36:40
  He's gloating, but it's logical to gloat.
• 1:36:47
  Oh, he's being sarcastic now. Well, I love the way that
• 1:36:50
  there's no way of really making those heads not look ungainly
• 1:36:54
  when they're like going into short, you know?
• 1:36:57
  Yeah, but they are. It's only 1981, and yet they are
• 1:37:00
  so 80s. It's just it's.
• 1:37:04
  Amazing. And at this point you can go.
• 1:37:08
  OK, here he is, moustache guy from the caves.
• 1:37:11
  He's still creeping around. But you're forgetting this is
• 1:37:14
  not a 90 minute long movie. This is 425 minute long
• 1:37:18
  episodes. It's and and having someone
• 1:37:22
  doing something a couple of times or more within that
• 1:37:25
  period. So there's really cute one.
• 1:37:27
  Behind them both, if you notice that the guy behind Scott and I.
• 1:37:30
  Shall keep an eye out. I shall keep an eye out.
• 1:37:32
  Cute boy. Watch I.
• 1:37:33
  Can't remind we're doing a commentary.
• 1:37:35
  Oh. Yeah, we're live, are we?
• 1:37:36
  God damn it. Yeah, yeah, this is.
• 1:37:39
  What it was like in the 80s, you couldn't rewind TV just because
• 1:37:41
  there's a hot extra in the back. I cannot.
• 1:37:43
  Imagine just watching this and never being able to see it
• 1:37:46
  again, like. That one.
• 1:37:52
  Anyway, that's not the thing to say on the commentary, I know.
• 1:37:58
  The. Name.
• 1:37:59
  Is. Tegan.
• 1:38:08
  The side of my nose that it only requires one person to find the
• 1:38:10
  titanus. See, now this is the point where
• 1:38:13
  you kind of get that bit in the pit of your stomach, thinking
• 1:38:17
  this isn't how it usually goes. And.
• 1:38:22
  There's a moment this is odd. Why is this happening?
• 1:38:26
  Yeah I'm I'm 7 1/2 and I'm thinking, hang on, this isn't
• 1:38:30
  how they normally do it. And oh, the little Adric theme
• 1:38:35
  plays. The bit where he's like, oh,
• 1:38:36
  I'll see you soon. No you won't.
• 1:38:40
  And why are they shaking hands? There was a couple of things.
• 1:38:43
  You occasionally get things in NUU where they fake out on this.
• 1:38:48
  Oh really? They they give you they hint.
• 1:38:51
  Oh yeah, someone. 'S.
• 1:38:53
  Mind, there's a goodbye scene, and there's with a companion
• 1:38:57
  that's given an air of finality, and then it turns out to just be
• 1:39:00
  a, you know, the. Funniest one is the one with
• 1:39:02
  Donna in the same horrid 1. Where?
• 1:39:04
  Where she's like, yeah, no, I'm just going home.
• 1:39:06
  I'll be back. Yeah, yeah, so right.
• 1:39:10
  OK, I'm going to do it now. I'm going to reveal spoilers.
• 1:39:12
  Adric. Spoiler Adric guys.
• 1:39:14
  OK. What stays dead and it's real
• 1:39:17
  and it matters. When I was when I was not much
• 1:39:20
  younger than 7 1/2, someone got me a version, a book version of
• 1:39:25
  Little Red Riding Hood where she goes to her granny and grannies
• 1:39:28
  house isn't there and there's a wolf.
• 1:39:30
  She kills the wolf and then opens up the the there's a clock
• 1:39:34
  and she opens the grandfather clock and it turned out granny
• 1:39:37
  was just hiding in the grandfather clock and I was
• 1:39:39
  outraged. My 7 1/2 year old self went this
• 1:39:42
  is ridiculous. I felt sad that Granny had died
• 1:39:45
  and it turned out she was fine after all.
• 1:39:47
  And that 7 1/2 year old feeling is how I spent a long period of
• 1:39:52
  of the 20 teens watching Doctor Who as everyone kept emerging
• 1:39:55
  from that bloody clock and it turned out they weren't really
• 1:39:58
  dead and it didn't really matter as to why it feels sad.
• 1:40:01
  And just when some when when something happens that really
• 1:40:04
  upsets you, that's that is drama.
• 1:40:07
  That's the whole point of it. If you then flick a switch and
• 1:40:10
  say, oh it didn't really happen. It's, it's.
• 1:40:12
  Worse than disappointing, it's just it's a crime.
• 1:40:17
  So I've heard. I've heard.
• 1:40:18
  Now now, yeah that's a good argument.
• 1:40:20
  I've heard the other side as well on a different commentary I
• 1:40:22
  did that you shouldn't kill companions that that is
• 1:40:25
  irresponsible to kill companions.
• 1:40:28
  I'm I actually fall on your side of this argument.
• 1:40:31
  I think occasionally it is good to remind the audience that.
• 1:40:36
  These. You know, there are stakes to
• 1:40:38
  this, yeah. Yeah, this isn't.
• 1:40:41
  This isn't an episode of Muppet Babies.
• 1:40:44
  It's Doctor Who. It's a drama for children, but
• 1:40:47
  they're in peril. And and and.
• 1:40:50
  Stephen. Muffet has been really clear
• 1:40:52
  that he thinks killing a companions are terrible.
• 1:40:54
  He shouldn't. Upset children by killing a
• 1:40:56
  companion. Why does he and?
• 1:40:57
  Why does he keep killing companions then and then?
• 1:40:59
  Bringing them back. I would.
• 1:41:00
  You would not get through to the second round of interviews to be
• 1:41:03
  Doctor Who producer. If you said that to me, the the
• 1:41:07
  kids have got to believe that there's danger.
• 1:41:10
  Yeah, but like like, why does he kill Clara then?
• 1:41:13
  Just to bring her back? Why does he kill Rory just to
• 1:41:15
  bring him back? Because.
• 1:41:16
  He thinks. He's God, and he can and I can.
• 1:41:19
  He can make everything fine by bringing all these dead people
• 1:41:21
  back. There's I've man in the Titus
• 1:41:23
  again. Lookout Lisa.
• 1:41:25
  There's only one God. Amazing close up of Sarah Sutton
• 1:41:29
  there as her eyes have to dart and she looks at false argument
• 1:41:32
  and their guns. Do you know?
• 1:41:33
  Well, you said it in episode one.
• 1:41:34
  I think Sarah Sutton does pretty good with Lisa, even when she
• 1:41:40
  doesn't have a lot to do, and she's finally given some action
• 1:41:44
  to play against in this episode. And she's awesome.
• 1:41:47
  Yeah, she's and and yeah, you. You could tweet if this was
• 1:41:50
  Sarah Sun's last story. Put her in Andre's shoes and it
• 1:41:53
  would be fantastic. She'd be.
• 1:41:54
  She'd be. Really good too.
• 1:41:55
  It should. It would be just the.
• 1:41:57
  Same thing if they decided. To lose, lose her instead of him
• 1:41:59
  do. You think she would tentatively
• 1:42:02
  touch that console the same way that Matthew Ward?
• 1:42:04
  Has does right people make so much too much of that?
• 1:42:07
  I mean, yes, he's clearly showing away from when you watch
• 1:42:10
  it back, but but it's in one second.
• 1:42:13
  I'm sorry, if I was an actor, I would not want a console blowing
• 1:42:16
  up in my face. OK.
• 1:42:17
  And it. Was probably the 5th take.
• 1:42:20
  His fingers were probably. Oh, there we go.
• 1:42:22
  More cyber men bums. There's like so much cyber arse
• 1:42:25
  in this. I'm sorry.
• 1:42:26
  It's it's, yeah. Really.
• 1:42:27
  There's a lot of cyber arse, yeah?
• 1:42:29
  That's incredible. Oh, Tegan giving away all the
• 1:42:35
  cliffs. And it's addressing it because
• 1:42:42
  it's it's it's like same with you that in 40 years time people
• 1:42:45
  watching this and saying but surely Earth radar would pick up
• 1:42:48
  the TARDIS. So Tegan explains why not.
• 1:42:51
  That's the thing people will. Complain when there's a line
• 1:42:53
  like that explaining something, and then if that line wasn't
• 1:42:56
  there. Then they're going to, Yeah,
• 1:42:58
  about how? Earth's script didn't even
• 1:42:59
  address the fact that obviously the TARDIS would be picked up
• 1:43:01
  can. You know, though, there's a
• 1:43:03
  contingent of Doctor Who fans that just don't want to have
• 1:43:05
  fun. They're there literally, to pick
• 1:43:08
  holes. I want.
• 1:43:10
  I just want although. I'm loving the action and the
• 1:43:13
  and the and the drama and the peril it ultimately is about.
• 1:43:16
  These you've got to. Care who these people are.
• 1:43:18
  You'd have to like them. But you've got.
• 1:43:20
  I mean, I wouldn't hold on, Barrel Reid, to be my line
• 1:43:23
  manager. No, Captain Don Briggs to be my
• 1:43:26
  line. Manager I wouldn't want Adrick
• 1:43:27
  to be my companion, but. Because she's so good.
• 1:43:30
  She's. Not a two-dimensional bully.
• 1:43:33
  I mean, she is a bully, but she's not a two-dimensional
• 1:43:35
  bully. So you you nevertheless you sort
• 1:43:37
  of want you want her to end up all you're on her side.
• 1:43:40
  So I'm saying. I think there's a, there's a
• 1:43:42
  level of threat in this which is unusual even for the time that
• 1:43:46
  they've put the the regulars into, you know, and so you
• 1:43:49
  really care because the regulars are in this like extreme peril,
• 1:43:52
  yeah. And you know how many days ago
• 1:43:56
  7, like like 15 days ago, these guys were all just doing the
• 1:44:00
  Charleston together on on TV and now they're in this battle.
• 1:44:05
  Have your last dance, Adric. As it's Tegan had launched
• 1:44:11
  herself with the target console that actually instigates, I
• 1:44:14
  think the. That bit there where he holds
• 1:44:18
  her elbows and screams at her on the commentary.
• 1:44:21
  Her and Peter Davidson are roaring with laughter at that
• 1:44:24
  bit. The Adric Adric's actually been
• 1:44:30
  given something to do. Lovely.
• 1:44:31
  Flip here. You notice Adric and Berger are
• 1:44:34
  the ones who are saving the day here or trying to save the day
• 1:44:36
  here, and Briggs is the captain is just having to run backwards
• 1:44:40
  and forwards, giving them updates and telling them, you
• 1:44:42
  know we're running. Out of time.
• 1:44:43
  That's a great line. You get great lines like that in
• 1:44:46
  in who Monster Pentagon is full of it.
• 1:44:48
  Like Monster Pentagon Three. And I watched it the other week
• 1:44:50
  and it's. Fine, It's so much.
• 1:44:51
  It's all right. Don't you watch it as?
• 1:44:53
  When did you watch Monster? I don't watch Monster Pentagon.
• 1:44:55
  This week, yeah, it was a couple.
• 1:44:58
  Of weeks ago, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:45:00
  Just a week ago, yeah. You know.
• 1:45:02
  But in it like. One of the most boring classes
• 1:45:04
  that people keep saying we haven't much time and it's like
• 1:45:07
  obviously love. You've got four more episodes.
• 1:45:09
  You really have got much time. Do you know the bit that made me
• 1:45:12
  raw was when Queen Phaleris looking at all those bodies in
• 1:45:16
  the mind and she's like, look at what you've done and Echoes is
• 1:45:20
  like never mind, wow. And it just grabs the heart.
• 1:45:23
  It's just wonderful. I I I have a lot of affection
• 1:45:26
  for that. Story Yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:31
  But why are we talking about the monster of peloton when we have
• 1:45:34
  a shock in front? Of us I.
• 1:45:36
  Know Davidson, The coordinates are constantly changing.
• 1:45:39
  He's. He's in.
• 1:45:40
  Town. Be 200% DROWN mode.
• 1:45:43
  I think I adore the fact that Adric is actually being given
• 1:45:46
  something useful to do as well. So you so there's like this race
• 1:45:49
  against time. Will he be able to crack this
• 1:45:51
  thing to save himself? And then, and he still could
• 1:45:55
  have got out. He still could have.
• 1:45:57
  Escaped like he could have gone with them in that escape pole.
• 1:45:59
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:46:00
  Yeah. And it's been a succession.
• 1:46:02
  Of of ticking bomb. You know, right?
• 1:46:04
  Go go back to the ticking bomb in episode 2.
• 1:46:07
  Of. The remaining episode one it's
• 1:46:09
  that's that is the pace of this and the structure of this and
• 1:46:12
  and it's just one after the other all escalating.
• 1:46:15
  Yeah. But the and the music is when
• 1:46:18
  this damaged silent man starts crawling up the stairs and the.
• 1:46:22
  Music. Is all distorted and.
• 1:46:24
  Well, I can't. I kind of call that music like
• 1:46:26
  the farts of doom because it if you listen to it carefully, it
• 1:46:29
  does sound like someone farting into a mic.
• 1:46:35
  Now people complain that the Earth is seen there, and you get
• 1:46:41
  this moment where it's just occurred to the Doctor, but it's
• 1:46:44
  all links back to that scene in episode one.
• 1:46:47
  People complain that this is the Earth, this is not the Earth of
• 1:46:49
  65,000,000 years ago, but I think that's deliberate because
• 1:46:53
  they must have weighed up. People are going to think it's a
• 1:46:55
  different planet. Or what the actual the actual
• 1:46:56
  the visual of the earth? Yeah, because this is travelled
• 1:46:59
  back to 65,000,000 years, the earth shouldn't look the same
• 1:47:03
  scientifically. I'm sorry, but oh Beryl, save
• 1:47:06
  him. Andrik's doing typing.
• 1:47:08
  This is just what I'm like when it's.
• 1:47:09
  Time on large? Yes, when I don't want to go to
• 1:47:17
  work. That's what my other half says
• 1:47:18
  to me, and that is an old joke. And they get into the escape
• 1:47:22
  pod. Oh, at Rick.
• 1:47:24
  What are you doing? He knows, mind you, this is this
• 1:47:31
  is good because he's been an arrogant, precocious little shit
• 1:47:33
  throughout. He thinks he's very smart and
• 1:47:36
  this is the one time it bites him in the ass and.
• 1:47:42
  This is the moment when there's a viewer and I'm thinking in
• 1:47:46
  1982, I'm thinking, wait, the escape?
• 1:47:49
  What has left? And the space.
• 1:47:52
  And we know and at this point at school.
• 1:47:53
  They were still teaching you. The idea that the dinosaurs.
• 1:47:55
  Were killed by a meteorite was only a theory.
• 1:47:57
  You at school you were being taught there were all sorts of
• 1:47:59
  theories as to how the dinosaurs died out.
• 1:48:01
  No one had found the crater, or if they had found the crater,
• 1:48:04
  they weren't sure. And whether they're now sure.
• 1:48:07
  And seeing all this happen in real time in Doctor Who was just
• 1:48:13
  so weird. It's exciting, though.
• 1:48:15
  You're seeing, you're seeing, like, massive history take
• 1:48:18
  place. Yeah, and it's doing that thing
• 1:48:21
  of they're teasing the audience. They're hoping that the average
• 1:48:25
  7 or 8 year old has just figured this out at the same point that
• 1:48:28
  the plot's telling it to you. It's got the TARDIS.
• 1:48:32
  Oh man. Oh my word, Adric's still on.
• 1:48:39
  Board. More sad Adric music, but the
• 1:48:45
  Doctor's got his. So you're like, you know, if
• 1:48:46
  you're like a typical doctor and you're like, OK, so Andrew, it's
• 1:48:49
  going to unplug the thing, it's all going to be fine, you know?
• 1:48:53
  Yeah, because then the one thing that would never cross your mind
• 1:48:56
  would be the Doctor travelling back in time to loop and get out
• 1:48:59
  of it and pick him up before it exploded.
• 1:49:00
  Because you. Just know that that does not
• 1:49:02
  happen in Doctor Who in exactly the same way that, you know the
• 1:49:05
  Jr. Ewing isn't going to pull the
• 1:49:07
  laser gun out of his pocket and shoot people in Dallas.
• 1:49:09
  It's just Doctor Who does not do that look.
• 1:49:11
  It doesn't cross. Your mind.
• 1:49:13
  This is great. Tegan's leaping under the he.
• 1:49:16
  Starts blasting the shit out of that console now.
• 1:49:22
  That's the only way to get the budget for a new one.
• 1:49:25
  Yeah. And.
• 1:49:29
  Who screams? Is it Tegan?
• 1:49:31
  Honestly, who screams? I think it's Tegan.
• 1:49:32
  You can't tell. I think it's Tegan.
• 1:49:34
  I think she something actually called Janet Fielding.
• 1:49:38
  People say that Davidson doesn't pick up a gun.
• 1:49:40
  Like, really. Yeah.
• 1:49:44
  And the dogs are using the gun on the side of my neck.
• 1:49:46
  I mean, of course, you know, on Adrick's Forgotten.
• 1:49:53
  So yes, Adrick, you've forgotten to get into the flipping escape
• 1:49:56
  pod, you plonker. Do you know as well there's no,
• 1:49:58
  right? So.
• 1:49:58
  At this point is now still possible.
• 1:50:00
  We're thinking this is we've got so little time and and this is
• 1:50:05
  pushing the here we go, OK, he's doing his.
• 1:50:07
  Typing. That's how I type.
• 1:50:09
  If I'm it's. It's.
• 1:50:13
  Perfectly sensible kind of typing.
• 1:50:15
  Totally. And look at that side.
• 1:50:17
  Man in the dark. Behind them.
• 1:50:19
  There's no light on it at all, but you can see it.
• 1:50:22
  I actually really like his line delivery here.
• 1:50:24
  Do you know Attrick often gave terrible line deliveries, but
• 1:50:26
  his oh now I never know if I was right.
• 1:50:28
  It's such a great part in line. Yeah.
• 1:50:32
  And if you were. Looking at the time writer
• 1:50:34
  during that scene, you're not watching it, no.
• 1:50:37
  And he does a little tilt of. His head shall I.
• 1:50:40
  He's saying something funny. Hey, do you know I don't think
• 1:50:42
  this is going to work well. Well.
• 1:50:44
  No, because look, the doctors at the controls and the doctors
• 1:50:46
  just said that he must say, Patrick, I'm like, yes, doctor,
• 1:50:49
  you must. No, I think.
• 1:50:51
  I think his time's up if time's up.
• 1:50:53
  Looking at the screen and chatting and Rick.
• 1:50:55
  Matt finished. He's got his bit of string and
• 1:51:00
  he's flying towards II's probably nice.
• 1:51:05
  And Oh my word. And just the hum of the TARDIS.
• 1:51:11
  And then what's some sad music? What?
• 1:51:13
  What? What?
• 1:51:14
  What's happened? Tegan is pissed.
• 1:51:23
  Adrick. A lot of the the silent credits
• 1:51:27
  just killed me in In Memory of Adrick at. 1st.
• 1:51:34
  I need and it's like, OK, what's going to happen?
• 1:51:36
  And then nothing. And then you've got the badge
• 1:51:38
  and I'm I can. It's all the subtitles.
• 1:51:41
  Silence. Silence.
• 1:51:42
  No thing. I just.
• 1:51:44
  It still doesn't get top billing.
• 1:51:45
  It's Bell Reed. I guess the next billing after
• 1:51:47
  the doctor, then Adrick. But I kind of I understand the
• 1:51:51
  reasoning of this, like the this kind of soap opera silent
• 1:51:55
  credits to make. The crumbled thing.
• 1:51:58
  And at this precise moment my mum walked in and said, why is
• 1:52:02
  there no sound on? Have you broken it?
• 1:52:04
  My mum had me. In bed?
• 1:52:06
  Did she read what? Did you cry?
• 1:52:07
  Can I ask, Did you cry? I didn't.
• 1:52:11
  I know I didn't cry. It's Doctor Who.
• 1:52:14
  It's like. But I was stunned and shocked.
• 1:52:17
  I was upset and like, Oh my God, really?
• 1:52:19
  What happens next? When I when I spoke with Comrade
• 1:52:23
  Westmass the other week, he he told me that he went up to his
• 1:52:26
  room very quietly and burst into tears for most of the evening.
• 1:52:31
  I thought was so he. Does that most he does that most
• 1:52:33
  evening. Yeah.
• 1:52:37
  Usually I have to do one of these commentaries, I think, OK,
• 1:52:42
  so that's that's that's the end of earth shock.
• 1:52:46
  If you could summarize in 3 minutes please, because that's
• 1:52:50
  how long we have left. Yes.
• 1:52:53
  What is fantastic about of Shock?
• 1:52:56
  Why is this the best story? Doctor Who is an amazingly
• 1:53:00
  flexible format. It can do 1000 different things,
• 1:53:03
  and it in this instance it does a science fiction action movie
• 1:53:10
  unbelievably well for a show that's being made to be shown
• 1:53:14
  twice a week on BBC in a regular BBC studio with no special
• 1:53:19
  resources beyond above and beyond what a normal show would
• 1:53:23
  get. Peter Grimwade worked miracles
• 1:53:26
  and got his cast to achieve things that are just
• 1:53:30
  inconceivably good, and they tried the same thing many times,
• 1:53:33
  and it doesn't always happen as successfully as it does in Earth
• 1:53:36
  Shock. And every time they try it, it's
• 1:53:38
  still worth doing. Earth Shock is the one where it
• 1:53:41
  lands and they've got someone who is a star of light
• 1:53:43
  entertainment in comedy but can do so much more.
• 1:53:46
  And she does so much more in Barrel Reed and and the little
• 1:53:50
  the actors who haven't got big parts still just take it totally
• 1:53:54
  seriously and it's got funny moments and but it's not.
• 1:53:59
  This isn't one of the funny ones, obviously, but it it's
• 1:54:02
  full of good humour and it matters and it's full of
• 1:54:05
  consequences. And it's educational.
• 1:54:07
  And it teaches you about the dinosaurs being wiped out, and
• 1:54:11
  it teaches you about how evil evil can be and that good
• 1:54:17
  doesn't always win, and that there isn't a magic reset
• 1:54:20
  switch, but you just carry on. And that's why I think Earth
• 1:54:25
  Shock is the best dog to his story.
• 1:54:29
  I am convinced, OK, that was that was that was the most
• 1:54:33
  compelling evidence I have ever heard for why a shock is the
• 1:54:38
  best dog to his story ever. That just.
• 1:54:41
  If I'm ever, if I'm ever on trial, I have.
• 1:54:43
  The judges hadn't as much to drink as you have.
• 1:54:50
  Yeah, yeah. My, my, my faculties are
• 1:54:52
  completely blurred, so anything you say, it's just that.
• 1:54:54
  Incredible. But just what about you?
• 1:54:57
  Come on, What? About you?
• 1:54:58
  What about you? Oh, God, I've only got like 50
• 1:55:00
  seconds. OK, well, Adric dies.
• 1:55:03
  There you go. That's why Earth Shock is the
• 1:55:05
  best story ever. No, I what?
• 1:55:09
  But what I would like to say is thank you very much for joining
• 1:55:12
  me today. It has been a absolute blast.
• 1:55:16
  I've had a hoot. You've been really fun to to
• 1:55:19
  chat to watching this. I hope I haven't blathered on
• 1:55:22
  too annoyingly. It's been really.
• 1:55:24
  Fun, I think. People are going to love this
• 1:55:25
  and I hope what I will, I will ask you off Mike.
• 1:55:28
  I will hope that we will see you again on this podcast that I
• 1:55:31
  will try and twist your arm away from this.
• 1:55:34
  Thank you very much. Twist away.