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S6 E20 _ Captured_ The Chilling 911 Call That Brought Down Shawn Grate Part 3 · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: M Yeah, he's not great. He's not great at all. Hi,
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  Speaker 1: Lady and Gray, good evening to you. Hope you're doing well.
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  Speaker 1: It's been so long since I've seen you. Huh. All right,
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  Speaker 1: You get what you get tonight. Uh, that's pretty much
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  Speaker 1: to read a lot tonight. So my voice is going
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  Speaker 1: to be like, oh, feeling a little rough there. That's true.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what, we have fun, right, I do?
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  Speaker 1: We have lots of fun. I mean if you're not
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  Speaker 1: having fun, then you're doing it wrong. Well, friends, while
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  Speaker 1: we're here tonight is because we are on part three,
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  Speaker 1: the final part of ore the Captured the call that
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  Speaker 1: brought down sean great finaleus tonight. It's been a very
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  Speaker 1: interesting story all along, so I am very eager to
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  Speaker 1: get into that tonight, finally get rid of this guy
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  Speaker 1: lost voice tomorrow. Excellent for foucong Friday. All right, well,
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  Speaker 1: what are you drinking tonight? Aims?
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  Speaker 2: I'm I've got diet mountain dew. Hello, I'm not very uh,
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  Speaker 2: that's true.
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  Speaker 1: She has a dream.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not very adventurous with my drinks, and usually peachd
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  Speaker 2: water or die mountain dew or coffee.
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  Speaker 1: As you're sometimes a monster and when she gets kids,
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  Speaker 1: it's my favorite. Amiss if you.
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  Speaker 2: Don't want a monster amy tonight, because that would be something.
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  Speaker 1: It would probably be whatever was going on with me
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  Speaker 1: this morning? Oh my gosh. Well tonight, I'm drinking my
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  Speaker 1: usual what is it, the Yosemite Road mescato. It's nothing fancy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go pick up some fancy or wines. This weekend.
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  Speaker 1: It was very last night because I wasn't going to
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  Speaker 1: drink anything, and then I was like, oh yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna sell it's you know, it's classy like me. It
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  Speaker 1: is delicious. I mean, listen, it's cheap wine, but it
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  Speaker 1: goes down smooth. You don't really get you know, that
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  Speaker 1: cheap wine hangover. So it's that bad. I don't mind it.
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  Speaker 1: I drink it a lot, not a lot. That doesn't
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  Speaker 1: sound right, but you know what I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, it's funny. I was on speaking on wine. I
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  Speaker 2: was on vacation and we were walking out of a
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  Speaker 2: store and there was this guy carrying two boxes of
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  Speaker 2: wine walking down to the store and he was by himself,
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  Speaker 2: and he was very very happy. Just he was extremely happy.
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  Speaker 2: And my husband goes, what is he so happy about?
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  Speaker 2: I said, well, he's got two bucks as a wine.
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he.
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  Speaker 1: Be Why wouldn't you be happy? He was like, I
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  Speaker 1: got what I need. I'm gonna go have a good time. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, listening to True crime and wine time. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: are you out there, sir from North Carolina? Are you
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  Speaker 1: a fan? Well, you know what we do, get a
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  Speaker 1: long one tonight, So let's get into the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the story for Sean gret shall we oh, should we
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  Speaker 1: do a little recap of where.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's been more than a week.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why it feels like it's been more
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  Speaker 2: than an.
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  Speaker 1: I thought today it was Monday. We're a mess. So
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  Speaker 1: on our last episode, we were in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: Sean being interviewed by Detective Kim Majors, who was doing
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  Speaker 1: an excellent job getting him to confess to not only
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  Speaker 1: the two bodies that were found in the house and
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  Speaker 1: Jane Doe who did survive, but he also dropped some
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  Speaker 1: extra details she wasn't expecting, including other women he had killed.
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  Speaker 1: So we got to hear what was his excuse why
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  Speaker 1: things happened, and it was nauseating about, you know, how
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  Speaker 1: him and Jane Doe were gonna get married and it
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  Speaker 1: was it was so disturbing and gross. He of course
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  Speaker 1: does what all the other people usually do and try
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  Speaker 1: to minimize everything, including when he talked about the murders
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  Speaker 1: of Stacy and Liz. He minimized the shit out of
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  Speaker 1: those all right. I think it safe to say it
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  Speaker 1: was probably way worse than what he admitted to, because
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  Speaker 1: he does care what people think about him, or at
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  Speaker 1: least they feel like he did with Majors. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it was like this mother complex.
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  Speaker 1: There's something I don't know. But so we went over
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  Speaker 1: all the interrogation for Jane, Doe, Liz, and Stacy Stanley,
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  Speaker 1: and tonight we'll be going through the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: confessions of the other women, including the trial that happens,
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  Speaker 1: victim impact statements and more, an uncovering of another victim
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  Speaker 1: several years later, and justice for some more of the women.
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  Speaker 1: It's a kind of a long one, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: what are you going to do? What are you going
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  Speaker 1: to do? Their stories are really important to us and
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  Speaker 1: telling you know, who they are, what the families went through.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Ashland, Ohio is a large town, but it's
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  Speaker 1: still it's a small town. Everybody knows everybody, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so it's the community pretty hard, not just the families,
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  Speaker 1: but the communities as well. So there are some pretty
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  Speaker 1: awesome possible and.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of places in Ohio as I traveled through it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even Columbus is just the big city town,
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  Speaker 1: like everybody still knows everybody, it feels like, so his
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  Speaker 1: words are trash that they are that they are, Hello
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  Speaker 1: Pam and Hello wicked Banshee. Well let's continue on with
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  Speaker 1: this interrogation, shall we start?
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  Speaker 2: I will do that, Okay, get us over here to
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  Speaker 2: this so that I can do my other job. Have
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  Speaker 2: assing as much as I possibly can.
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  Speaker 1: You're doing so.
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  Speaker 2: As the interrogation transitioned away from the immediate horrors at
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  Speaker 2: the Yellow House on co Court, Sean Great began to
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  Speaker 2: map out a trail of bodies that stretched back months
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  Speaker 2: and years, leading investigators toward a name they hadn't even
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  Speaker 2: been looking for. Candace Cunningham Now.
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  Speaker 1: Candace was twenty nine years old, born in Canton, Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: to a mother who remembered her as a girl who
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  Speaker 1: was always giggling, always happy. She had siblings, Chucky and Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: and once held dreams of becoming a massage therapist. But
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  Speaker 1: like so many of Great's victims, Candace's life had been
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  Speaker 1: a series of peaks and valleys because he sucks and
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  Speaker 1: goes after very vulnerable women.
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  Speaker 2: She was a mother. She had a son, Devlin and
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  Speaker 2: a daughter, Christina, but life I had become a struggle,
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  Speaker 2: and after losing custody of her children to Children's Services,
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  Speaker 2: Candace decided to move to Mansfield, Ohio for a fresh start.
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  Speaker 1: Now in Mansfield, weren't you just there the other day?
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  Speaker 2: Or no, no, no, I was Mary's Marysville.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, that's where you were. Never mind, I get
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  Speaker 1: them confused. Even though they're not very close to one another,
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  Speaker 1: they're like in opposite ways north of me. Yeah, Well,
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  Speaker 1: in Mansfield, she moved through a series of roommates. She
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  Speaker 1: was a woman living in the margins, just trying to
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  Speaker 1: find her footing in the world. But in April twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: the trail went cold. To the outside world. It looked
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  Speaker 1: like she had just simply drifted away. Now she had
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  Speaker 1: been picked up for having a marijuana pipe in her purse,
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  Speaker 1: and her family believed she had moved to North Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: and they weren't surprised that they couldn't really reach her,
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  Speaker 1: as she often didn't have a working cell phone.
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  Speaker 2: Because she was transient. Her family thought she had moved.
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  Speaker 2: Candace Cunningham was never reported missing. She had disappeared into
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  Speaker 2: thin air, and for months no one was looking for
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  Speaker 2: her until Sean Great sat in a room with Detective
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  Speaker 2: Major and uttered her name. You said, there's someone in Mansfield.
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  Speaker 2: What happened to her Sean, Oh, it's so sad.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't blame them for not filing a
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  Speaker 1: missing person's report. But at the same time, like man
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  Speaker 1: right now, Great began to detail the end of a
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  Speaker 1: relationship that had once looked like a fresh start for
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  Speaker 1: both of them. For a brief window in the spring
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  Speaker 1: and early summer of twenty sixteen, Sean Gray and Candace
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  Speaker 1: Cunningham appeared to be a couple building a life. They
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  Speaker 1: lived together in a house on Park Avenue East. Candace
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  Speaker 1: was active on Facebook, posting about their relationship just one
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  Speaker 1: month before she vanished, digitally documenting a romance that was
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  Speaker 1: rapidly spiraling into a nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: And according to greet, the snap happened in the early
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  Speaker 2: hours of June twelfth, twenty sixteen. Let's get us and
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  Speaker 2: that's not showing.
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  Speaker 1: The morning I had hit in the face with the diyasbacco.
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  Speaker 2: I understand.
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  Speaker 1: He got hit in the face with a bag of
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  Speaker 1: tobacco and he just snapped, Ah, poor little Seane.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah up is he is douchebag? Well it is a
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  Speaker 2: hauntingly petty catalyst for murder. In Greats narrative, the minor
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  Speaker 2: physical slight was enough to trigger his hunger.
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  Speaker 1: After he killed her inside the home, his instinct wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just to hide the body, but to erase the very
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  Speaker 1: memory of the space where they had lived. What did
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  Speaker 1: he do? He set the house on fire, wrapped Candace's
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  Speaker 1: body in a blanket, and carried her to a ravine nearby,
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  Speaker 1: very similar to what he told Jane do he was
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  Speaker 1: going to do. If you remember when we talked back
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  Speaker 1: in episode one, he told her he was going to
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  Speaker 1: set the house on fire.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Months later, Great sat in the back of a
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  Speaker 2: police cruiser leading investigators to the charred remains of ten
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven Park Avenue East. As they stood in the
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  Speaker 2: Madison township weeds, he pointed, sorry, I'm having eye trouble
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  Speaker 2: issues towards the ravine about sixty feet from where the
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  Speaker 2: door front door used to be. When where they where
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  Speaker 2: they found what was left of Kansas cutting in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, Amos got some sign burns on her trip
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  Speaker 1: that have also affected, as Buffy would say, her eyeballs. Yes,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: so be nice and bear with hers. She's doing her best,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: but you know, sun affects everything. So I'm just glad
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  Speaker 1: you're feeling and looking better. She oh, yeah, our delicate.
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  Speaker 2: I could not have wore this days ago.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it now. Perhaps the most jarring detail of
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  Speaker 1: the recovery was great reaction. Standing before the black and
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  Speaker 1: foundation of the house he had torched, the man who
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  Speaker 1: had remained cold and clinical about strangling numerous women, suddenly
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  Speaker 1: became emotional. Whatever It wasn't crying for Candice, though, it
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  Speaker 1: seemed more like he was grieving the loss of a house.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the side of fantasy that he himself had
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  Speaker 1: set a blaze.
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  Speaker 2: So two days after his initial arrest, Detective Major set
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  Speaker 2: across from him again. At the end, the onion began
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  Speaker 2: to shed its oldest, most weathered layer. When Major asked
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  Speaker 2: if there was anything else Grated wanted to tell her.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't hesitate.
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  Speaker 1: He told Detective Major about a woman in Marion County, Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: from ten years earlier, a woman whose name he couldn't
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  Speaker 1: quite remember. He threw out like Dana, Diane or Dana.
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  Speaker 1: But he was certain about one thing, and that was
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  Speaker 1: that they had already found her. I can't place the time.
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  Speaker 1: It's for two thousand and five cold case. They've already
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  Speaker 1: found her.
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  Speaker 2: The motive for this murder was a petty as the
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  Speaker 2: bag of tobacco or perceived or a perceived lie. Great
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  Speaker 2: claimed the woman had been selling magazines and supposedly ripped
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  Speaker 2: off his mother by never delivering the order. One day
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  Speaker 2: he spotted her in town. He lured her with a lie,
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  Speaker 2: telling her he had money for her at his house,
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  Speaker 2: and once they were isolated, he confronted her.
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  Speaker 1: M that's okay with me to my grandparents house.
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  Speaker 2: I was living.
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  Speaker 1: I remodeling my grandparents house.
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  Speaker 2: Startings or like?
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  Speaker 1: Did call him? He's going to take you go here,
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  Speaker 1: take my mind? I felt her bullshit announce songraged, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so that's on my front. Dr So you don't written
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  Speaker 1: me off like you did my.
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  Speaker 2: Mama his mama.
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  Speaker 1: But before she could answer, he choked her into unconsciousness.
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  Speaker 1: He dragged her to a basement, a precursor to the
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  Speaker 1: horrors of a yellow house, and stat her in the
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  Speaker 1: neck to ensure she was dead.
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  Speaker 2: He wrapped her in sheets and dumb her near a
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  Speaker 2: railroad tracks northeast of Marion, but killing her wasn't enough.
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  Speaker 2: He went home, burned the sheets, and then returned to
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  Speaker 2: her body in a dark mirror of what would be
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  Speaker 2: What would later do what he would later do in
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  Speaker 2: Mansfield to Candace, he set her remains on fire, attempting
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  Speaker 2: to burn away any trace of who she was.
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  Speaker 1: This man, you know all these slights on Lean. She
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  Speaker 1: hit me in the fiends of the bag of tobacco. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I felt slighted about money. Like that's why I know
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: that we go over how many victims, five plus Jane survivor,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there still has to be more. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we know how he treated his previous girlfriends. We did
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  Speaker 1: talk about that in the last episode, but like that
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  Speaker 1: sets you off, and you're just like, you know what,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you, Like, are you serious?
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  Speaker 2: It's his triggers that easy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah exactly. You didn't know this woman. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but he was like, you know what, I am entitled
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  Speaker 1: to take your life over some fucking magazines, Like are
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  Speaker 1: you serious? He yes, yes, Leading he killed her, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Leading Gray says he killed her in his grandparents' house.
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  Speaker 1: What a fuck face, Yes he is. There's your lama
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  Speaker 1: lamaism for today. What a fuck face. Now, When a
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  Speaker 1: man looking for cans found her remains a year later,
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  Speaker 1: there was sadly nothing left to identify her. No clothes,
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  Speaker 1: no jewelry, no id, just scattered remains in a field,
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  Speaker 1: and for nine years she was known only as Marion
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  Speaker 1: County Jane Doe. Just another cold case, gathering dust on
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  Speaker 1: a shelf.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, there's way too many of them out there, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: The woman Great called Dana remained a ghost, leading investigators
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  Speaker 2: to pull out every technological tool in their arsenal. After
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  Speaker 2: Great's confession, a sketch artist from Delaware County Sheriff's Office
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  Speaker 2: sat with Great trying to put pull a face out
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  Speaker 2: of his decade old memories. Simultaneously, a forensic artist from
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  Speaker 2: the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation began a three D
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  Speaker 2: facial reconstruction, building a face out of clay over a
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: model of the skull.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's really impressive. By the way, podcast listeners were
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: looking at pictures of the three D model of her head,
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  Speaker 1: and that's really good. I don't know how much it
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  Speaker 1: looks like her. That's who was in the last one, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's okay, all right, that's that's fairly good. I think.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, it's the only picture of her out there, so yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Well, while the high tech reconstruction was underway, one
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  Speaker 1: of the most significant leads didn't come from a lab.
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  Speaker 1: It came from a conversation between Detective Major and her
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  Speaker 1: oldest son. They were at a local football game where
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: her husband was coaching, and amidst the cheers and the
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: crisp Ohio fall air, she found herself talking to her
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: son about the case that had basically consumed her life.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: At this point, she mentioned the struggle to identify the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: victim from a decade ago.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: But her son remembered something. He brought up a body
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: found years earlier in Ashland County by a Columbia Gas employee.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: At the time, the death hadn't been treated as homicide
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: because of the victim's lifestyle. It was written off as
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: a suspected drug overdose. Major's son pointed out that the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: area where the body had been discovered was the exact
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: same area where Sean Grat had built one of his
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: temporary forts.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And Detective Major didn't wait. The very next morning, she
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: went back to the jail and sat across from the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: man with the piercing blue eyes and waited. She told
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Great that she had questioned about this unknown victim, the
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: one near the fort.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Unexpectedly, the onion shedded another disturbing layer Great didn't say
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Dana this time, he looked at Major and gave her
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: a name that finally matched a real life, a real family,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: another body, and a real police report. Rebecca Lisi.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's how you say it with those two words.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: A once closed overdose case was reopened as a murder investigation.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Rebecca Lazy, once dismissed by the system, was no longer
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a statistic. She was Sean Gray's fourth confirmed victim. Now
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: lady and Gray says, I'm getting sick of this lifestyle.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Excuse me to girl. They have been using it for
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: decades in all of our stories, And yes, does it
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: sadly a lot of the lifestyle ends and over, yeah, absolutely,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: But we shouldn't be like, yep, that's enough and yeah
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: close that, especially when we're about to learn something more
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: go to you know, yeah I mean. And also if
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: somebody does, you know, struggle with drug addiction, how easy
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it would to murder them and make it look like
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: an overdose? Yeh Like I think honestly, I think that
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: happens a lot more, yeah than we think, to be
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: quite honest with you.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: But now the story of Rebecca Lasi is the shining
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: example of how a predator like Sean Gray thrives in
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the gaps of the broken system. Rebecca wasn't just a
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: case file. She was a woman whose life was a
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: tug of war between a determined spirit and a devastating addiction.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Now Born on March twenty fourth in nineteen eighty three,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Rebecca was a daddy's girl with a very bold and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: spunky personality. Her father remembered her as a quote spunky
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: little brat who fought to get her way. I mean,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: who isn't sometimes. But she was a loyal friend and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: a mother who, at just sixteen, chose to leave high
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: school to raise her first son with the support of
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: her parents.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: But the wrong path started early for her. A boyfriend
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: in high school introduced her to the world of hard drugs,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and what began as a recreational use spiraled into a
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: lifelong battle with addiction.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: You know, and I know some people's opinions can be like, oh, well,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: of course this is what's going to happen. But let's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: not forget Stacy Stanley who had overcome her addiction. You know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: can be a happy ending for these people, and Sean
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: took that possibility away. He stole that possible future for her,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and he stole all of Stacy's hard work for nothing,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you know. So just remember there can sometimes be happy
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: endings to people that are you know, suffering from addiction,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: but they also you know, their lives shouldn't be taken
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: away without getting that you know, that future that everybody deserves.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: The year two thousand and six was the breaking point
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: when Rebecca's mother passed away. The grief was too heavy
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: for her to carry sober, she fell deeper into her addiction,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: leading to long stretches of silence where her family wouldn't
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: hear from her for months. She did have two more children,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: but as the drugs took hold, her family had to
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: step in to provide the stability she could no longer give,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and Rebecca became a ghost in her town, sleeping in
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: tents or on the streets.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Rebecca was last seen on January twenty second and twenty fifteen.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: When she was reported missing in February, the Mansfield Police
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: focused on focused their search on abandoned houses on Third
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: and Fourth Streets, where she was known to frequent. They
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: searched over sixty vacant buildings, but they were looking in
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the wrong city. On March sixteenth, twenty fifteen, the search
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: ended in the worst possible way. A body was found
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: in the woods near Ashland.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Now, the initial autopsy seemed definitive, right. The metalcal examiner
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: did find a lethal cocktail in Rebecca's system, morphine, cocaine
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and buper norphine, and I can't pronounce, right, but we
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: all know what that probably is. With no skull fractures,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: no stab wounds, and no obvious signs of sexual assault,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the conclusion to how she died seemed fairly simple. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I know you're all just like Loma didn't even just
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: say well, I did say, maybe we shouldn't assume that,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: but we're not done with this part of the story yet. Now.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: The corner noted that the next showed hemorrhaging, but at
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the time it was interpreted in a way that ruled
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: out manual strangulation. So there's the one little clue where
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: it's like, hmm, that's kind of weird, but okay, she
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: did have a lethal combo in her so okay, okay.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Because of her history, the system saw what it expected
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: to see. Her death certificate was marked undetermined, and eventually
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the supplemental report finalized it as an accidental overdose.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Now, despite the medical ruling, investigators on the ground knew
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: that the math didn't add up because Rebecca was found
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: propped against the tree and a wooded area, yet she
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: was not wearing shoes. Most tellingly, her socks were perfectly clean.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Now it was a pretty glaring red flag because how
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: in the hell can your socks be clean when you're
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: in the woods, Like, I don't know how that would
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: even be possible. The clean cotton was silent shore, yeah,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and her shoes weren't there, yeah, like, oh okay, the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: clean cotton with silent testimony that she had been carried away,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: but without a suspect or a confession, the case stalled.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Now I say this, I can understand why they wouldn't
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: initially think murder by a serial killer, right because is
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: before the time where Ohio has the Good Samaritan law
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: now right to where if you're partaking in drugs and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: somebody starts to o D you can call for help
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and you are not going to get in legal trouble
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: for using illegal drugs. It's probably a system that's saved
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: quite frankly, a lot of lives especially listen in Ohio,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: these areas ravaged, ravaged by opioid, the opioid crisis, I mean,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: all of these areas in Ohio. Nobody really stands a
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: chance in a lot of these places, especially in this timeframe.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: But the fact that she was carried there, there had
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: to be more to it, right, So, like, maybe somebody
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: didn't murder her, But it's still like abuse of a corpse,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you know, it's still problematic. But right.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Her family was left with the crushing news of her death,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: but without the justice of a homicide investigation. Little did
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: they know their spunky Rebecca hadn't succumbed to her addiction alone.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: She had crossed paths with a man who frequented the
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: same woods, a man who had built a fort nearby
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and was waiting for the right moment to admit what
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: he had done.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, high bells, hypee. You haven't seen you in a
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: few days, Belle says, strange, strange your prenphrine. I can't say.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Is seboxing, which is used to get off of opioid
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: stops cravings. Oh? Is that what that is? Okay, that's
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: not what I thought that was. I really didn't know
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: what it was. In the first place. But I thought
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: it was like, you know, like some sort of like
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: anxiety thing or whatever. But well, I mean, you know,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: suboxin is used to help people get off of that,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: so it makes excuse me, it makes sense.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: What's that I was agreeing with you?
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, chalking, chocking? No stop now.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It wasn't until Sean Great sat in the interrogation room
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: with Detective Major that the overdose narrative finally crumbled. As
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Great sat in the interrogation room, he provided the harrowing,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: step by step account of a struggle that the medical
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: examiner had missed, a struggle that turned a petty theft
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: into a brutal murder. Oh what Sean being petty over nothing?
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Go fucking figure, right. They always talk about women being
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: so emotional. Look at him losing his shit about a
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: bag of tobacco and some magazines.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: He is he is petty.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: He's so petty.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: According to Great, he and Rebecca were more than strangers.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: They were part of the same transient world in Mansfield.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: They worked as sex workers, shared the same addictions, and
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: occasionally shared a bed. On that night, in early twenty fifteen,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Gray invited her back to a vacant building where he
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: was squatting at thirty two North Walnut Street.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: They played a game of pool, but the piece ended
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: when Great went to the bathroom. He told Major he
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: heard the jingle of a bell attached to his money
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: clip and that when he checked, he claimed four dollars
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: was missing. Jesus, ridiculous quote. I confronted her, she tried
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to leave, I grabbed her, and then the fight started.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Four fucking dollars.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Right, so petty again, I mean, four dollars is four dollars,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: but it's certainly not something to lose your shit over
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: and take somebody's life. He takes someone's life, right, Well,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: following was not a snapped but a prolonged, agonizing assault.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Great admitted to strangling Rebecca multiple times. At one point,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: she regained consciousness fighting for her life, and Great responded
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: by needing meeing her in the face. I just got
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: so tired. I got so tired of fighting with her
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: that I just decided to strangle her to death.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how awful to do that to her numerous times? Right,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: It's very cruel, very cruel. Oh No, her death is
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: very suspicious. Bells because Great just admitted to murdering her.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: It was not, in fact due to overdose. Now Great
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: provided the missing link from her autopsy, cervical compression aka strangulation.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: This was notice during the initial autopsy because the advanced
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: decomposition of Rebecca's body had masked these subtle internal injuries
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: of strangulation during the first exam. But once Great described
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: how he had clinched on, the medical evidence was reevaluated
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and it was very obvious.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: The Ohio Department of Health eventually issued a final, corrected autopsy.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: The cause of death was no longer tragic accident of addiction.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Rebecca Liasi didn't just lose her battle with drugs. She
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: was silenced by a predator who used her vulnerability as
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: a shroud, knowing that the world would likely look at
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: her clean sacks and undetermined cause of death and simply
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: look away.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: He wasn't wrong until you know, he wasn't wrong.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, they had filed that away. Mm hmmm mm hmm.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a status. He's such a piece of shit.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I hate this guy.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: In his twisted mind, the murder was a way to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: end his exhaustion. Oh no, he's so tired.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: God.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Once she was gone, he stuffed her body into a
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: hard plastic golf bag, a detail that would later provide
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the forensic smoking gun. He left her in the basement
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: for a day and a half while he figured out
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: his next move.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Great eventually borrowed a car and drove her to the
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: woods in Ashland County. This explained the mystery of the
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: clean socks that had haunted investigators. The forensic evidence was undeniable.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Investigators located the bag, and the DNA profile was a
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: perfect match for the story. Rebecca's DNA was on the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: inside and Sean Greats was on the outside.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Now I kind of find amy. I don't know if
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you know, because I know you know a lot about
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the story. You've watched the trial, you read the book.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Where did they find this golf bag? Because so many
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: years has passed. Where where did they find it? Was
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: it still in this abandoned house or do you remember?
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I think that it was at the site.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, it was at the where the body because it was.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: An empty field. I mean, that makes sense. But they
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: found a lot of evidence in other places. He had
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: been had tents, okay, so like he would camp out
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: somewhere and he would have things from that He stole
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: from a previous area in the new location or whatnot.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know specifically, and so I will just put
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the caveat out there that I don't know that for
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: a fact that that's where they found it. But my
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: guess it's something. It's something along those lines.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: That's pretty helpable.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest. When they started talking about all of
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: the evidence and where they found things, it was a
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: little confusing, and I was really stick to my stomach
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: over this douchebag.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: So that's fair, fair enough, A for effort. Hello Stringer Bell,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: welcome man, good evening. I hope you're doing well, babe,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: thanks for being here now. Perhaps the most chilling part
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: of this confession was Great's focus on the memorial her family,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: trying to honor her memory, had placed across at this
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: site where she was found. Quote, they put the memorial
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: in the wrong place. I dumped her behind that tree
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and the cross is in the front of it. Ew right,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: like fuck you, Sean, Oh, I'm sorry, that's not the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: right place. Shut up.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Even in his confession, Great was correcting the record to
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: maintain control over the narrative of her death. With these details,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: the Ashlal County prosecutors had everything they needed, and with
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: the amended death certificate, Sean Gray was officially charged with
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the murder of the woman he had killed over four dollars.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So these last three women, let's break it down to
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: bag a tobago Tobacco hit him in a face death.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Who he claimed he loved her, of.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Course, of course, of course he did. And then somebody
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: going selling magazines that he claims are ripped off his
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: grandma for how much? Probably nothing? And who says that's
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: even what happened, that's just what he says. Well, yeah,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: but that's what he says. That doesn't mean that was
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: the case. And then four dollars, four dollars, Like, are
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you serious? Three women lost their lives over that petty bullshit,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: ridiculous lurking while you dye your hair. Oh, I love
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: that for you, something fun, I hope Stringer bell Now.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Critics and observers would later compare the relationship between Kim
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Major and Sean Grat to that of Clarice Starling and
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Hannibal Lecter. I would say, yes, but also, Sean Gray
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: is no Hannibal Lector. Okay, not at all, not even close,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: not even close. He's petty and not smart and doesn't
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: have good taste in anything. He's smart, No, but I
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: will say the dynamic was it resembled it? But I
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: don't want to hold him to like that. Would know
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: he would love that comparison, probably, And he does not
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: deserve any impact. Well, nobody that would be in that
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: position to deserves it, but especially not.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Him, right, especially not him. Now.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: The interrogations were like a high stakescheme of psychological chess
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: between a hunter and a monster.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Major Ever, the top gun interviewer began to dig into
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the biological sensation of his crimes. She didn't ask what
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: he did. She asked how it felt, asking him if
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: it felt like a release of something when he killed?
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Did it feel good?
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Great's answers were often a whisper, a dark mumbling about
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: his hunger. He admitted that the violence didn't just happen
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: alongside the sex. For him, the violence started with the
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: sexual encounter, which doesn't make sense for all that bullshit
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: you just told us, Shine, sex wasn't involved in any
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: of those, so.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: The story changes so many times.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: He just wants everyone to think he's more than he
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: actually is, which is just a pathetic sad, petty little man.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Mm hm. With Stacy Stanley, the act of sex was
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: the catalyst that flipped the switch to homicide. Again, this
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: is based on what he said, which I don't fucking
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: believe anything, but that's all we unfortunately had to go
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: with because he murdered them. So Yet, with Elizabeth Griffith,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: he claimed he didn't touch her sexually, which I do
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: believe is a lie because he quote wasn't attracted to her.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: He said this so many times that you know when
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: somebody when Dallas doth protest too much?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, really thinking that same thing.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Really mm hmm, now to great even in death, his
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: victims were subject to his personal whims of attraction. A
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: lot of us just going all night.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I know, can't you can't, just so many times. One
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: of the most haunting series of questions centered on the
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: house itself. Major needed to know why he stayed, Why
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: did he eat, sleep, and play house with Jane Doe
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: with two women who were decomposing feet away.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Gray admitted that his plan to torch the house was
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: about erasing the evidence. He wanted to burn the house
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to the ground to incinerate Liz in the closet and
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Stacy in the basement, but the only thing that stopped
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: him was a lack of accelerant apparently, which also doesn't
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: make sense. You love stealing shit, Sean, Get.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Out of here right, Sorry about my dog barking. Major
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: then asked about the sensory sensory experience of Do's captivity.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Did she smell them? Great confirmed she had noticed that
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: the scent of the decay, and she had told Major
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: about a terrifying thud she heard coming from the second floor.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know, sometimes I hear thuds too, that's quote
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: it was. It was a rather chilling dismissal. Well, Jane
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Doe was hearing the sounds of a house haunted by
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: its own residents. Great was simply living in it, coexisting
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: with the bodies as if they were pieces of furniture.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: It was weird, and as the thirty three hours of
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: interrogation over eight days wound down, Major reached for the
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: one thing Great had been faking, faking remorse. She asked
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: if he felt bad for the lives he had stolen. Quote,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like, what have I done? Now?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: It wasn't the cry of a man who felt the
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: weight of his victim lives of course he didn't. Instead,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: it was the cry of a man who realized his
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: fantasy world had finally collapsed. The what have I done
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't about the women in the closet or the basement.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: It was about the fact that he was finally caught.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, Detective Major then shifted from the women Great had
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: killed to the women who had, by some stroke of
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: luck or intuition, escaped him. She brought up several women
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: who had been seen at or near the house. One
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: of the women, named Tracy, who had actually stepped inside
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: the house with two other people. Great Great admitted that
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: she had come inside, that he didn't do anything to
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: her because he just didn't.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Want to, despite the other two other people being there,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: which is a bad idea. But sure he didn't want to, Okay.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: It's another example of Great's earlier self description as an opportunist.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: For some reason, the hunger didn't trigger with Tracy.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Then there was a seventeen year old girl he had approached,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: offering to help her with her laundry. It was the
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: same helpful, friendly persona he used at the BP station
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: with Stacy Stanley, but this time, for reasons only Great new,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: he let the opportunity pass. When asked if there were
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: any others he had learned into that apartment, Grat finally
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: said no. The list of the dead was complete and
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: the list of the lucky was very short.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: As the weight of his confession settled, did you find
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: a stringer? No?
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Sorry, there's two views on YouTube. There's a vertical in
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the regular. If we're tiny, little people like that, then
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: you're on the other one.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Great turned his thoughts. I'm sorry, I'll start over. As
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the weight of his confession settled, Great turned his thoughts
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: to the one person who carried his name, his son.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: In a rare moment of apparent emotion, Great broke down
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: sobbing as he spoke about his legacy. Quote, I'm going
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: to write him a letter. I want to let him
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: know that if it's that, it's not in his genes.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: This isn't who he is. Unte Please don't write your son.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: You're muted, my dear.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Thanks, I'm being thriven my back. It was a moment
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: of profound irony. Great, a man who had turned a
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: home into a graveyard, was desperate to convince his son
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: that the darkness stopped with his father. He wanted to
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: believe he was an anomaly, a mistake of nature, rather
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: than a man who had made a series of calculated,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: monstrous choices and choices, yes, you know, choices, but no,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: there's just something wrong with me. I don't know, and
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: there is something wrong with you.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: There is something wrong.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I'll give you that, but you're not a special little
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: do drop great okay mm hmm. And finally you give
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: a shit how it affects your kids, and how you
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: fucking care get out of here.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: You didn't care about anybody but himself exactly. In the
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: final minutes, mine return to the religious themes he had
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: used to justify his violence to Jane Doe. He spoke
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: about wanting forgiveness from the families of Liz Stacy, Rebecca Dana,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: even though he can even remember her name, and Candace,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: but his focus quickly shifted back to his own soul. Quote,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: I need time for myself to see if Jesus will
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: forgive me. Jesus forgives all sins if you repent. That's
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: what Jane Doe taught me.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Uncle jan Do told me. Shut up, keep her name
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: out of your mouth, Keep your name out of her mouth.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Oh thank your stringer bell thank you for the super
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: chat so much, she says, I love these stories. Cheers everyone. Oh,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: thank you. I'm glad that you enjoy listening to us.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Stringer, I appreciate you and all
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: your support. Now, he clung to the teachings of the
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: woman he had kidnapped and tore, using her faith as
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: a life raft for his own conscience disgusting. In a
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: final delusional statement that likely left the detective's cold, Gret
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: said he prayed that quote one day he will be free.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not up to me what happens, but okay,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: whether he meant free from prison, which is never going
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: to happen, or free from his own hunger, Sean Gray
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: would never see the outside of a cell again. The
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: thirty three hour a multi day marathon was over, the
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: names had been given, and the bodies had been found.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: The interrogation of Sean Grave's remains one of the most
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: significant recordings in criminal history, thanks to the patients and
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: psychological skill of Detective Kim Major. He thought he was repenting,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: but she knew he was securing his conviction. Ugh, I
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: just got chilled reading that.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Right now, Sean Gray was handed twenty charges for the
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: murders of Liz Griffith and Stacy Stanley, as well as
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the kidnapping and rape of Jane Doe. Yeah, I know
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: you noticed that there's only three names there, But don't worry. Well,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: there will be justice, just not yet now. In the
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: state of Ohio, the prosecution didn't just want to prove
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: that Seawn Gray killed Liz Griffith. They wanted to show
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: the calculated sequence of terror that preceded her death and
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: being dignity that followed. So for her, he was charged
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: with two counts aggravated murder, kidnapping, gross abuse of a corpse,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: burglary for when he went under her house, and tampering
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: with evidence, which I'm glad that they put. You know,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: they didn't, I guess, have to do all these charges
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: because of what he was facing. But like I feel
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: like with the amount they gave him for each person,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: it was like the best they could do for justice for.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and his his acts. All of the
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: little things mattered in this and exactly, and they needed
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: to be documented and he needed to be charged, and
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: you know, I just think it mattered in the end
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: that all of those things mattered.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, because sometimes they're like, well, we don't
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: need a charge for you know, because we have all
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: these big ones. But I do feel like they made
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: sure that each of these women was going to be
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: held accountable for what he did, and I do appreciate that,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Unlike when we were in Alaska and all the fuckery
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: went around for twelve years, where they're like, oh, you
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: were assaulted and kidnapped, We're just going to drop that
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: for a plea deal for this other case because we
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: don't give a fuck about you. Like so, it does
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: feel nice to have some sense of just Hyle got right,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: even if you know they're vulnerable victims in their lifestyles
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: or whatever. So I'm glad that that happened. Now, as
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: the prosecution turns its attention to the death of Stacy Stanley,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: the charge shifted. Charges shifted from a narrative of invasion
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: to one of predatory optimism and extreme sexual violence. He
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: got charged with aggravated robbery, murder and unauthorized use of
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: her vehicle, kidnapping and rape and murder some more and
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: felony assault and terrorism and a forcible sex act and
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: gross abuse of a corpse. Again just piling them on
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: you know, because they didn't have to charge for him
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: using her car, but it was in such a violation
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: that he used her car that they were like nope, Sean,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: fuck you buddy, we don't care. We're charging you with everything.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine all of the charges that
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Robert Hansen could have been exiledly exactly? Thank you, Ohio
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: for following through and counting every little detail on these right.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Why don't you do the final charges for Jane?
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Uh? The final set of charges in the indictment belonged
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: to the women who would ultimately be Sean greats undoing prosecutions.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Final counts detailed the brutality, brutal reality of her three
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: days in a bedroom of the Yellow House. She counts
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: of kidnapping with sexual motivation. Is that the mm hmm
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: sorry forcible rape, vaginal or three of them counts for
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: each thing? Yep? Robbery? Uh, which is much like what
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: happened with st said like, shoot, he went to her
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: apartment and took things, and burglary was count twenty.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: So with all twenty counts laid out, the legal trap
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: was set. The all American boy from Maryan, Ohio was
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: now officially on his way to being one of the
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: most prolific serial killers of the state.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Again, I'm just it's we cover so many stories here
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: and so many have pissed us off and in this
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: season shows, but I really just want to say I
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: appreciate the charges they gave them for each victim, and
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: that's not something you see everywhere if you've been listening
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: to us, and it's just nice to see it under
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: such horrible circumstances. But again, it's a small community. This
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: affected all of them. I mean, sweet Liz Ugh, you know,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: the police were devastated when she was gone, you know,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: And it's just I'm so happy to see that. Now,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: onto the trial of Sean Gray, which began in April
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, listen less of a mystery and more of
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: a formal reckoning of sorts. I mean, they basically got
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: this guy dead right right now. The media had already
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: branded him, branded him the Lady Killer, which I think
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: is a stupid fucking name, but whatever, And it was
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: a bit of a double edged title that referenced both
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: his lethal history and the charming blue eyed persona he
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: had used to lure his victims. And the reason I
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: say Lady killer is and why I think it's stupid
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: is because he purposely went after vulnerable women, you know
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: what I mean. It's not just like, oh he's no,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: he's a fucking scumbag living in a four in the woods.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: And I feel like he would enjoy that name lady killer,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: and I don't like that. So yeah, that's why I'm
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: either with it. I'm like, oh, why do we give
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: them that one? Why not petty little fort baby fits.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, yeah, I agree with you, of course
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I do, because this guy is a He should have
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: been the douchebag killer of Ohio. That's what he should
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: have been.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Dubbed, Oh thank you, Stringer Bell. Stringer Bell says, I
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: wanted to clarify I love the awareness you give these victims.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: My chat earlier it may not have been oh well,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I mean it's their stories, you know, yeah,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: and I like to make sure that we tell their
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: full stories, you know, instead of the just Sometimes we
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: can't because there's simply not enough information out there. But
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: when we can, I know, it's really important to all
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: of us here on True Criven.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: One time, So the fuck face killer of Ohio, Yes,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: fuck face killer Ohio. Yeah, and it works.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna write them be like excuse me and
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: made fuck face hashtag zero one, two, whatever numbers are.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm writing.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Inside the Ashland County Court of Common Pleas, the atmosphere
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: was thick with the grief of the families of Stacy
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Stanley and Liz Griffith, who filled the gallery day after day.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Presiding over the case was Judge ron Mmmm.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I think it's force full, full force, the ful for.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Some disrespect, Judge, I just don't. I would not be judge,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Judge f. But I think it's forceful Judge ron F. Okay,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: we'll go with that. Facing a man who already confessed
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: to unthinkable on tape yet officially entered a plea of
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: not guilty. But I just he.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Admitted it case, like what I mean, it's a death
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: penalty case, so he'd be stupid. I guess you know
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: that's not true. You'll plead guilty because the sentencing part
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: you can still not plead and the jury has to
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: de side. But just ro back to the lady killer thing,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and why it pisses me off is because the majority
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: of these women weren't a fucking relationship with them.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: No, you know, Jane Doe wasn't.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Liz wasn't.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Candace wasn't.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Candace was. Yeah, Candas was the only one. Well Rebecca
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: was she No, they did sleep together and stuff, but
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I would call it.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have called it a relationship.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: But and then Dana was selling magazine. So four out
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: of the six had nothing to do with this fucking guy.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: And so I think that that's another reason why the
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: name is band. Yes, agreed, because they were just in
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the wrong place at the wrong time, or talk to
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: the wrong guy, but not in that way that you wanted. Anyway,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I can ran about it for too long. I am
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: in a rantom mood today.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: It's fair though, I mean now.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Lead Prosecutor Christopher R. Tunnel didn't mince words. Along with
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: his team, including Michael McNamara and Mark Weaver, he laid
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: out a case that was essentially a march towards the inevitable.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: This defendant confessed to every element of every crime he
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: is charged with. This is not a who done it? Case?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: This is a he did it kind of case. He
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: done did it.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: The defense, led by Ralph and Robert Whitney, was in
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: an impossible position, they made the rare strategic move of
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: waiving their opening statements entirely. There was no alibi to present,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: no alternate, no alternate suspect to point to, only the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: recording of Great's own voice.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Now, while much of the testimony was regarding the murders,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: the court also heard hours of testimony regarding Great's life
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: as a ghost. Witness after witness described a man who
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: broke into campers and stole from bait shops and flea markets.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: You know it, just like Robert Hanson and the FBI
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: profile that said, Hey, this person's going to be a kleptomaniac.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Well look at this. Here we go another example of it.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: And it painted a picture of a man who treated
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the world as his personal pantry, taking whatever he wanted,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: whether it was a cooler or a human life.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: And as the evidence piled up, like the DNA and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: the golf bag, the bodies in the house, the living
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: testimony of Jane Doe, Great made a desperate play, pleading
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: guilty to fifteen of the twenty counts against him. It
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: was a cold and calculated move. By admitting to most
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: of the charges, he hoped to show a shred of
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: cooperation that might sway the jury to spare him from
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: the needle. He wanted to trade a confession for his life.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: The defense presented no case.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: What would they even say?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Right? There were no witnesses to speak for Sean Gret's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: character and no evidence to contradict his crimes. But all
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: these people had to sit.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, and he doesn't. He doesn't plead until before posing arguments.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: They ate, yeah, like his size, his side rests, and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: then he's like, oh, I'm going to plead to like
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: everything but the murders. Basically yep, pretty much. Cool. Great,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: glad we had all that camper talk. Now. The tension
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: in the courtroom on May seventh, twenty eighteen was nearly
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: physical as the four person for the jury, Duror number
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: thirty four, rose to read the decision for the families
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: in the gallery. This wasn't just a verdict. It was
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: the final legal confirmation of the nightmare they had lived
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: through since the bodies were discovered in the Yellow House
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: on Covert Court.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: With the reading of the guilty verdicts, the first phase
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: of the trial is over. Sean Gray sat at the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: defense table, the man who had once his head, hid
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: in a count that's right.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: He hit in a couch. I forgot all about him
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: mine and in a couch. Get twice.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: He hid in a couch and sent letters to cats.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I forgot.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Of course, we are going to bring that up again,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: right right now, officially aurial murderer in the eyes of
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the State of Ohio. I I can't even believe I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: forgot about the.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Couch me either, the couch and the letters to the cats.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: That's just crazy. But the work wasn't done. Judge force
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Full dismissed the jury with a stern warning to not
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: go home and look at social media, don't watch the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: news or talk to anyone about the case. The hardest
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: part of their service was still ahead of them.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: The trial now entered the penalty phase. This is where
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: the jury had to look at the mitigating factors and
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: weigh them against the aggravating circumstances of his crimes. In
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: the end, they had heard the tapes, they had seen
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: the photos of the closets in the basements, and the
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: jury returned with their recommended recommendation of death. They decided
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: the only and to the man who had stolen the
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: breath of so many was for the state to eventually
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: take his.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Now on June and first. On June first, twenty eighteen,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: the gallery in the small Ashland community was a sea
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: of purple, the favorite color of Stacy Stanley. Oh, this
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: part is going to be so hard to get through, Okay.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Her friends and family wore shirts emblazoned with hashtag Stanley Strong,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: a silent, unified front against the man who had tried
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: to erase her. As Sean Gray was led into the room,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: he was forced to look into a crowd of people
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: who loved the woman he had treated, women he had
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: treated as disposable objects. Look Amy, good luck, breen in
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: and throws so hard. It's so hard. It's so beautiful
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: and so hard and sad and no.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I I listened to these people. Yeah. Then the man
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: who spent hours whispering to detectives about his hunger stood
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: up to speak to the gallery. Quote, I just want
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: to say to the families, it's a good day for you.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: I ask for your forgiveness. It may justice be served today.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: I want to thank the victims, Stacy, Elizabeth and Jane.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: I wish I could change things for them.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: The fo Shan greats.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: You can speak their names like.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: You want to thank them for what? God, he's the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: fucking worst. It was a surreal moment, great true to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: his lady killer. But we don't fuck it. We're just
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: gonna fuck face. Persona attempted to frame his own sentencing
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: as a gift he was giving to the families the
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: audacity because they're only there because of him. He phrased
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: his request for forgiveness as something he wanted for them,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: as if his apology was a final act of charity
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: to help them heal, rather than a plea for his
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: own soul.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: The state of Ohio remained silent. The prosecutors knew that
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: no legal argument could match the weight of what was
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: coming next. They deferred their comments, stepping aside to give
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: the floor to the people whose lives had been shattered.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: The stage was set for the Victim and Pact statement,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: the moment where the buck Face would finally be forced
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: to hear the true cost of his hunger.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Now, the air in the room changed as the first
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: family member stepped towards the microphone. Curtis Stanley didn't come
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: to the podium to offer the forgiveness Sean Gray had
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: asked for. Instead, he stood there to reclaim his mother's dignity.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: He stared out, started out with how he has tried
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: to wait a long Let me start that over, because
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: I want to give this justice. He started out with
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: how he has had to wait a long time to
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: look Sean in the eye and call him a coward.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Curtis had gone to the jail to confront Great man
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: to man, but Great had refused to leave his cell.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Of course he did, of course he did.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: Quote it doesn't make you a man to kill these women.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Stacy had a family that cared. You live with the punishment,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: you don't live with the hurt. You killed the wrong women.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: She meant a lot to a lot of people. You
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: made a judgment about Stacy, and you were wrong. You
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: knew they were weak, and you took advantage of that.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: I couldn't even have an open casket because of what
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: you did to her. You took that from me. You
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: made me a stronger man, but it was pathetic the
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: way you did it. She wasn't a piece of.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Trash, No, she was not, Curtis, you know it was trash.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Sean Great as trash, the trash man. No offense to
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: trash men. They're different, but this guy's trash. Now, perhaps
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: the most biting part of Curtis's statement was his view
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: on the sentence. While the state sought death, Curtis solid
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: as an escape. He wanted Great to sit in the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: silence of a cell and live with the punishment because
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: quote death is the easy way out end quote.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Scott and Nick Adams, Stacy's brothers, took their turn at
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: the podium. Scott led with the raw, righteous anger of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: a brother. He looked directly at Great, the physical tension
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: so high it seemed for a moment he might bridge
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: the gap between the podium and the defense table. Quote,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: you are a monster. Who are you to decide to
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: take their life her life? Today someone else finally holds
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: yours in their hands. Real justice would be for you
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: to come with me for about five minutes, burn in hell.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Bravo. Now, Scott gave voice to the private thoughts of
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: every person in that gallery. He stripped away the lady
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: killer myth and replaced it with the reality that Great
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: was now the one without power, waiting for his own
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: life to be weighed by the state.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: When Nick Adams stepped up, he addressed the psychological torture
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: the trial itself had inflicted. For eight days, the families
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: had been forced to sit through a revictimization, listening to
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: the critical I'm sorry, the clinical descriptions, and looking at
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: the horrific photos of their loved ones.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Quote. We listened as he described my baby sister's head
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: banging off the stairs as he dragged her down. He
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: threw her in the basement and covered her with trash,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: thinking that's who she was. I'm here to tell you
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: my sister was not trash. She was a loving, generous
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: person whose willingness to help others is exactly what you
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: used to kill her. You may have killed my baby's sister,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: but you'll never kill our memories. Justice for me is
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: the death penalty. She deserves justice for the heinous acts
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: you committed. The Adams brothers made it clear that while
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Gray had tried to treat Stacy like a discarded object,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: she was a central pillar and a massive protective family.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: There were five siblings, children, and a grandchild, all of
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: whom were now united in a single, unwavering demand for
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: the ultimate punishment.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: Stacy's sister, Gina, born just eleven months apart from her,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: stood up to dismantle great slies once and for all.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: During his confession, Gray had tried to justified his violence
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: by labeling Stacy as a or attempting to paint her
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: as someone whose life had less value. Quote Stacy is
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: not the person you claimed her to be. She was
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: the one who loved to cook, the one who took
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: care of everyone. We spoke several times every single day.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Since you murdered her, my life hasn't been the same.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: Our father rarely leaves the house anymore. You've taken the
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: life out of him too.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Quote the ripple effects man. There's always ripple effects. It's awful.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: She looked directly at the man with the piercing blue
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: eyes and offer him no grace, only a cold promise
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: of what she believed awaited him. I believe you will
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: burn in hell with your eyes wide open. You don't
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: deserve mercy. A part of me thinks the death penalty
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: is too humane for you. I want you to suffer.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Finally, Stacy's younger brother Joe, stood up next. Like his
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: brothers before him, he spoke of a barely contained urge
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: to take justice into his own hands. He talked about
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: the most tragic what if of the entire search the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: family had been more mere blocks away from the Yellow
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: House while Stacy was still inside.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: We were so close to finding you when we were
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: out looking for her, if we had just this have
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: been served right there on the street. You took our
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: dad over the edge with what you did.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Joe ended his statement by stripping Grade of his future,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: reminding him that the family man persona he had tried
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: to protect in his letters to his own kids, was
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: gone forever. Quote. You're never gonna hug your kids again.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: You're never going to kiss them. That's over for you.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: End quote. Now, Cecy's other son, Corey, the one she
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: was originally supposed to have dinner at Applebee's with, took
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: kiss turn. I'm only twenty four years old and I
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: had to bury my mother. She won't be there to
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: see me get married. She won't be there for any
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Corey's statement was brief, but focused on the final finality
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: of his loss. He thinks the court for the work
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: they had done to secure justice, and finding a grim
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: sense of peace in the fact that great would finally
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: suffer for the vacuum he left in their lives.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: One by one, they had stood up sons, brothers, and
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: a sister. They had successfully replaced the image of a
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: body in a basement with the image of a woman
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: who loved her family, cooked for them and called them
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: every day, and had big, big hair.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: The snea of purple shirts in the gallery remained, but
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: the voice of the courtroom shifted from a brother's fairy
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: to a mother's faith. As Judy Griffith, Liz's mother, approached
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: the podium, the atmosphere became heavy with the weight of
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: a different kind of grief. Judy Griffith stood before the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: man who had occupied her daughter's home and had taken
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: her life. For Judy, the crime was more than just
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: a violation of law. To her, it was an act
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: of pure, unadulted evil. Quote you robbed her, Elizabeth was
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: kind to everyone. You are evil. My faith tells me
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: I should forgive you, but you deserve the death penalty
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: for what you've done. You've turned our entire world upside down.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: She spoke of a spiritual reckoning that no court of
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: law could provide. She told Great that while he might
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: seek forgiveness, he would never see heaven, that the darkness
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: he had unleashed on her family was exactly what he
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: deserves to have returned to him.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Lloyd Keith Griffith wasn't just standing up there for himself.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: He was there as a proxy for his younger brother,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Liz's father, who was too broken to speak for himself. Quote,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: I'm here for my brother. He didn't get enough time
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: with his daughter. Elizabeth was a sweet Christian girl, and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: you took that kindness and you used it to kill her.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of dislike in my heart for you.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: For you monster, it's all between you and the Good Lord.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: Now your ass is going to hell.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: And see a trend with these and I don't think
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: they're wrong. Now, the atmosphere in the courtroom was still
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: as heavy as the final family members addressed. Sean gret
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Ryan Stanley, Stacy's uncle, brought a terrifying new perspective to
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: the timeline of the Yellow House. He describes how while
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: she hate Sean Grat was sitting inside with the bodies
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: of their loved ones, the Stanley family was a physical
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: presence outside his windows. When these shirts say stand strong,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: you don't know what you got into. We were right
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: on your trail. Shown Stacy's picture was on the laundromat
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: door across the street. We were knocking on doors right
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: next to the house you were squatting in. I had
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: two and a half gallons of chainsaw gas in the
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: back of my truck. We're putting the pressure on you,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: and you knew it. Wow. Wow.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Ryan also spoke of a spiritual reckoning, telling Great that
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: he had been misled by his own simple minded darkness.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: He made it clear that it wasn't the police alone
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: who followed Stacy. It was the relentless prayer field search
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: of a family that refused to stop until they were
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: at his doorstep.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Now, Lizzi's cousin, Sabrina Culor, focused her words at Great's
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: most delusional defense, his claim that he was freeing these
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: women from their struggles. You say you freed her, are
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: you God? What exactly did you free her from? You
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: can hide behind your rough childhood, but we've all had
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: struggles and we aren't murderers. Your words are empty.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Sabrina suggested a punishment that mirrored the crime's strangulation, or
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: being left in a dark closet under a pile of clothes,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: just as he had done to Liz. She dismissed his
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: ten x ten cell as a luxury. He didn't deserve,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: calling for a swift public end to the small man
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: who had taken so much.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Closing out the impact statement was Liz's cousin, Kathy Shay.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: She was the one who vocalized the predatory logic Sean
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: Grat had used for decades his habit of targeting Christian
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: women whose faith made them vulnerable to his charming act.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: You went after Christian women because you knew their hearts
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: were soft and kind. You didn't save them from anything.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: The jury gave you death, and you should ask for
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: the needle today so we never have to see your
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: face again. The sooner the better.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: And with that the circle was complete. Two families, one
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: defined by their Stanley strong unity and the other by
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: their quiet Christian faith, had both reached the same conclusion.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: They had seen the other Sean, the one who lived
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: in couches and forts in the woods, and they were
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: done listening to his excuses. They had reclaimed the names
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: of Stacy Stanley and Elizabeth Griff from the headlines, and
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: now it was up to Judge Ron Forceful to put
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: the final lego seal on the jury's recommendation.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: Prosecutor Christopher Tunnell didn't leave any room for ambiguity. He
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: looked at the bench and stated that Sean Gray is
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: the very reason the death penalty penalty exists in Ohio.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: He wasn't just requesting a sentence of death. It was
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: more of a demand for a permanent end to the
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: risk Greats Great posed to the world.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: Now, before delivering the sentence, the judge stripped away every
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: possible mitigating factor. Gray was not under arrest, he wasn't
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: coerced or provoked, He was not suffering from a mental
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: disease besides being a petty little bitch asshole, or the
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: fact that would excuse his actions, and that he and
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: he alone was the principal offender, the sole architect of
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: the horror in that yellow house on Covert Court. The
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: judge also noted a haunting silence when not a single
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: member of Sean Great's family stood to speak for him.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: At one thirty two pm on June first, twenty eighteen,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: the gavel fell. The judge moved past the out options
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: for parole and even life without parole. Quote the Court
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: finds that a sentence of death by lethal injection shall
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: be imposed for the aggravated murder of Elizabeth Griffith, and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: a sentence of death by legal injection shall be imposed
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: for the aggravated murder of Stacy Stanley. But the judge
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: didn't stop there. To ensure the public was protected and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: that the seriousness of every single crime was recognized, he
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: ran the sentences consecutively to death sentences a lot, followed
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: by a minimum of ninety years to life for the kidnapping,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: rapes and robberies.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Even if the death penalty was never carried out, Sean
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Gray would never again breathe the air of a freeman.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: He was labeled a Tier three sex offender. His fines
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: were waved because he would never have the means to
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: pay them, and his six hundred and forty days of
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: credit for time served became a meaningless statistic in the
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: face of a century long sentence.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: Outside the courtroom, the sea of Purple moved. Sorry. Outside
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: of the courtroom, the sea of purple moved. Stacy Stanley's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: family released purple and yellow balloons into the Ohio sky,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: a silent, colorful signal that they were finally carrying her
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: memory away from the Yellow House and into the light.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: But as the balloons drifted away, the shadow of Sean
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Gray was still lingered. While the Ashland courtroom provided justice
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: for Jane, Doe, Elizabeth and Stacy, the ghosts of the
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: past were still calling out. There were three more victims, Rebecca, Lacy,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Kendice Cunningham and the woman named Dana from two thousand
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: and six, but their stories didn't end here. Oh look
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: at that. I'm not gonna cry that picture of them
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: releasing balloons. See fuck you, Sean. Just because you think
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: some people don't matter doesn't mean that they don't. Look
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: at everyone who loved Stacy Endless. I hate him.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: On June twelfth, twenty eighteen, the community gathered on Cover
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Court to witness the final act of Catharsis. Simpson Construction
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: donated their time and machinery to tear down a house
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: where Jane Doe had been held and Liz and Stacy
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: had been found for years.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: This property and others nearby were owned by pump House Ministries,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: a group known for taking in the invisible members of society,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: like those with you know, criminal histories or no place
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: to go. Great had used the lack of oversight to
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: turn a home into a tomb. As the walls crumbled,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: the families of the victims stood by watching the physical
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: reminder of their nightmare turned into a pile of rubble.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: To them, they weren't just clearing a lot. They were
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: trying to clear the air of the rot Sean Grat
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: had left behind. I'm so glad they tore it down.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: The video just there's no audio.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: It just makes me sad and relieved.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: And I wonder what they did with that area. Do
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: is they develop It isn't a part, it's nothing, Okay,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: of course it is. Well, maybe someday there can be
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: something nice there to represent how nice Liz and Stacy
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: sounded as people. Okay, lady and Gray, I sincerely hope
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: he never has honeybun money. Me too, Me too, Lady
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: and Gray. Maybe we'll just write in letters and be
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: like here, no honeybun money for you, okay, bye, and
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: you suck fuck face.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: He shouldn't have anything. He shouldn't have anything.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know how he does. I don't think
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: you can work when you're on death row, Like I
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: don't think you can get a job if you're on
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: death row at all. So that means he probably has
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: like nothing.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Well, and it clearly nobody came to stand up for him.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: So okay.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: On March first, twenty nineteen, less than a year after
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Gray had been sentenced to death, facing the overwhelming evidence
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: he had already confessed to, Great pled guilty to the
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: murders of Rebecca Lacy and Candace Cunningham, along with accounts
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: of gross abuse of the corpse.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Now, Candace's sister Ashley stood before the court, her voice
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: thick with the what ifs that haunt every survivor. I'm sad,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: I'm hurt, but mostly I'm angry. I wonder what her
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: last thoughts were. I will never forgive you. You took
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: someone who meant so much to so many people. Her mother, Deanna,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: couldn't even bring herself to look at him, noting the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: chilling lack of remorse and the man who sat at
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: the defense table coward.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: But in the courtroom, but the courtroom saw a rare
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: and heartbreaking moment during the Lazy Family turn, Lazy's Family's turn,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Bob Lacy, Rebecca's father, walked out of the courtroom in protest.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: Despite Great's own guilty plea. Bob refused to believe Great
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: was responsible for his daughter's death. Quote Becky was a thief,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: she stole from dealers. She she told people she feared
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: for her life. I think a dealer killed her and
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Sean just had her bag. He's innocent of this end quote.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know. When I read that, it really pissed
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: me off, Like what, But then I thought about it
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: some more. It's not great, all right, it doesn't occur,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Dad look great, But you know, maybe that's easier for
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: him the stomach than what really happened to her. I
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what their history was. Did
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: they kick her out? And that's like, I feel like
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: it's deeper than that, and he's just using this as
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: a way to not properly deal in Great.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking the same thing. You know. Is
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: it easier to think that somebody murdered your daughter in
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: a bad drug situation than it is to know that
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: this man who has admitted to all these awful things.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I don't know if nobody
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: wants to say that their child was killed at all,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: let alone by a fuck face like Sean Great, you know,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: and I don't know.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like what he said at all,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: all right, Bob. Not great, But again I don't have
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: a murdered, you know, daughter, So people handle things in
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: different ways. I'm sure maybe he might feel differently about
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: it out now. I mean, I do think the idea
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: that Great's innocent when people only knew what happened because
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: he admitted to it, it was pretty crazy. But again, grief
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: is bizarrely that grief guilt all sorts of things.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: I think the thing that gets me the most though
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: about that is that he knew where he discarded her
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: body and the fact that the cross wasn't in the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: right spot. M that that's pretty telling to me. Yeah,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: you know because in an interview with Detective Majors, she
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: says that wasn't something people knew. That wasn't it wasn't
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Factly he brought that up knowing that, It just tells
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: me he knew he did it.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: And Rebecca is the one that they initially ruled as
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: an overdose, you know. So I can also see how
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: you've already grieved your child in one way, and that
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: was the reality of what you thought had happened, and
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: you told yourself and maybe you started healing by then,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: and then this happens, and it's it's too much that
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: you are over again. To grieve all over again, you'd
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: have to stick with the old story to even you know,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: So listen, Bob, I don't think what you said was great,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to give you some grace, you know,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: because you've had to grieve your daughter twice, and to
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: do it even one time must be just awful, let
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: alone two times.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm sure they grieve every day. I mean, yeah,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: that raised.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: And they raised, and it's complicated. I don't like it,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: but it's complicated. It's not really any of my business,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: I suppose. But still now, it was a testament of
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: the chaos great showed even in the face of a
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: confession a grieving father search for a different why led
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: to a dramatic exit when the court wouldn't read his
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: specific statements, which I want to know what that statement was. Now.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Usually when a defendant is being sentenced in the victim
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: impact statements, usually you can't say certain things right. But
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: it kind of seems like they let people say whatever.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. But this also is a whole
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: different case. It's not the death penalty one we just
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: talked about, so it could be a different judge with
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: different rules. Whatever statement was, though, if he wrote it down,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: it still went into the record. They just weren't going
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: to let him read it for reasonsknown.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: Remind me to talk later about some statements that were written.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'll do my best anyway if we remember.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, But before the final sentence was read, the lady
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: killer mass slipped completely, revealing a man who was terrified
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: of the very fate he had inflicted on others. Quote.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: I really would like to stay alive through all of this.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: I would have loved to have been able to do
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: a lot, but I know I wouldn't have been able
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: to get away with it.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Why would you say that? What is it even mean?
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of bad stuff I wanted to do,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: but I couldn't get away with it. So why would
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: you see that? Sean fuck face?
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: He's he's a stunning self admission. He was he wasn't
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: sorry for the lives he had ended. He was sorry
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: he got caught and he was afraid to die.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, i'd really want to stay a line.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You can't believe a freaking word that
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: comes out of his mouth? Really?
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: No, now, common please Judge Brett Robertson see different judge
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: than the death penalty one didn't offer the mercy great
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: begged for. He sends tend to life without parole for
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: the murder of Rebecca Lasi, plus another seventeen years to
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: life for the remaining charges, including the murder of Candace Cunningham.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: These sentences were piled on top of the death penalty
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: he had already received in Ashland. Sean Grat was now
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: a man buried under a mountain of time and two
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: death warrants. And you know, some people may be wondering,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, if you are, well, why didn't they
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: go after death penalties for Rebecca and Candace. It's a
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: good question, but death penalty cases are very expensive. We're
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: talking two to four million dollars of a towards his
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: defense a death penalty for two more victims. And that's
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: not saying that Candice and Rebecca are not worth the money,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: because I don't like that argument of oh, it's just
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: really expensive, because we shouldn't value lives like that in justice.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: But they've already secured too that there's no way those
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: are going to be overturned. So okay, fine, will allow that,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: but they are very expensive for the state. I mean,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: how just to do George Wagner the third having even
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: done his dad's His defense was four million dollars for
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: his defense for a three month death penalty trial that
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: ended up not even being a death penalty case. It
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: don't even get me sick. It's a whole different story.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: If you want to hear about the Pike County massacre,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: you let me know, because I got lots to say.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I would hope that they have they spoke to
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: the families too. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: much that weighs on what they actually do for prosecuting.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: But but I mean there's a families may have been
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: like it's you know, I don't know.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, there's a lot that goes into a death
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: penalty case. It's not your normal death trial. You have
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: to have death penalty qualified lawyers. You have to have
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: a death panel jury, which means extra jury selection. It's
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: not one trial, it's two. Right, you find out whether
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: they're guilty not guilty, and then a sentencing life for death.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: They're very long trials usually and it's again it's not
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: because their lives don't matter. That's for damn sure. But
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: we've already he's he's on death row. He ain't going nowhere,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: okay at all. So I do understand why they chose
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: not to go with that, those two. But again, life
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: without parole for both of them. So you know, even
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: if his death penalty gets overturned, he has so many
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: life without paroles. He really he's not going anywhere exactly,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: going nowhere.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, only one mystery remained, the woman who started
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: it all in two thousand and six. She was a
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: ghost in the system. A collection of burned remained discovered
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: on March tenth of two thousand and seven that seemed
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: toy I defy identification.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: When those remains were found in Salt Rock Township, there
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: were no clothes, no jewelry, and no ideas. Surett Bailey
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: would later reflect that the effort to give this woman
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: her name back was a worldwide endeavor. Investigators didn't just
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: look in Ohio. They reached out to the FBI, the
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: Secret Service, and the US marshals. They trek leads Canada, Mexico, Israel,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: and Eastern Europe, and for years the database sat silent.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: The DNA was there, but it was a key without
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: a walk at the time, and.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, while Great was facing trial for the
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: Ashland murders, science finally caught up to his first crime.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: Investigators utilized a technique called oxygen isotope analysis. A person's
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: bones are a map of their life. By I analyzing
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: the isotopes and the skeletal remains, scientists at the University
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: of South Florida were able to tell a story of
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: what this woman had eaten and what water she drank.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: This chemical signature cast doubt on the theory that she
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: was a foreign national.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: Now the bones whispered a different She was likely from
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: the southern United States Florida, Texas, or perhaps Louisiana, and
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: for the first time in twelve years, investigators had a
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: starting point. Armed with this new geographical profile, investigators narrowed
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: a list of thousands down to just fifteen photographs. These
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: were fifteen women from the South who had vanished around
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: two thousand and five or two thousand and six and
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: fit the physical description of the remains.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: The plan was to present these fifteen faces to Sean
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: grat By this time, Great had already hinted at a
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: victim from his past. The magazine lady, but he couldn't
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: remember her name. His attorneys, however, weren't ready for a reunion.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: They blocked the meeting, insisted that great wait until the
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: Ashland trial was before looking at the faces of the
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: missing fair.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: We don't like it, but that's what that's fair.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: They wanted to protect their client from a third capital case,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: but the wheels of genetic genealogy were already turning faster
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: than the legal system now.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, the Marion County Sheriff's Office partner with
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: the DNA Dual Project, a nonprofit that treats unidentified remains
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: like a family tree waiting to be reconstructed. By finding
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: a single distant relative in a public database, they were
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: able to work backward through generations until they landed on
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: a name that had been missing for thirteen years. Dana
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Nicole Lowry. Dana was a twenty year old mother of
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: two from Mendon, Louisiana, born in nineteen eighty three. Her
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: life had been marked by early tragedy with the loss
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: of both her parents, but she was remembered by those
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: who knew her as a hard worker, someone who was
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: always trying to do the right thing. For her girls.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: In two thousand and six, Dana was traveling through Ohio
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: selling magazines door to door to support her daughters back home.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: She called three or four times a week to hear
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: their voices, and then in May of two thousand and six,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: the phone stopped ringing.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Her boyfriend, David Cobb was left in a position many
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: families of victims' face. Without any evidence of foul play,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: he assumed Dana had simply moved on to a new life.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: An aunt filed a missing person report, but in a
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: predigital age of transient door to door sales cruise, the
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: trial went cold almost immediately. I don't love the distance
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: between Ohio and Louisiana. You know, it's only this family
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: even knew where to begin looking in Ohio.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: You know that we were selling magazine store to door
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, though, But what isn't it
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. In two thousand, I mean.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: The internet was around, but like people are still buying
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: magazines at that time.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm just saying it
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: just doesn't. It seems like we wouldn't have.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Been I don't know, but I don't know.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: For thirteen years. Dana's daughters grew up without knowing if
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: their mother had left them or if something terrible had
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: happened while they were growing up. Their mother's remains were
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: sitting in a Marion County evidence locker labeled only as
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: Jane Doe found off Victory Road.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: When Dana vanished in two thousand and six, her daughters
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: were just one and five years old. They were babies
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: who grew into young women without any memory of their
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: mother's face or the sound of her voice. It is
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: a rural irony that the very thing they inherited from her,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: their DNA, was the only thing that could finally bring
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: her home. I know, it's heart breaking. Samantha Mulner from
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Samantha That's just me, my titles.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, it could be a mean Samantha Mulner from
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: the Bureau of Criminal Investigation said, I can't even put
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: into words. It's sad. It's exciting because at least the
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: family knows, but the result is awful. She was so
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: young and her daughters grew up never knowing their mother.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: I think that breaks my heart more than anything.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely now. In May twenty nineteen, Sheriff Bailey of
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: the Marion County traveled to meet the family. He wasn't
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: there though, too deliver good news. He was there to
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: ask a daughter for a cheek swab to confirm that
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: the burned remains found off Victory Road twelve years earlier
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: were in fact her mother.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: It wasn't just your children who were looking for all
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: these years. Daaner's former stepfather, Ed Phillips, had spent years
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: scouring the Internet hoping to see a reconnected notification or
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: a social media profile that would prove she was still
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: out there. He remembered her as a pretty girl with
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: a bright future, a future great extinguished over a four
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: dollar magazine commission.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous Now, Ed Phillips said in an interview quote, throw
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: the book at him. Do everything you can. Just tell
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: the prosecutor do not let him see the light of
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: day ever again. And in September twenty nineteen, the cycle
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: of justice for Sean Grat reached its conclusion. In a
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: Marion County courtroom, he pled guilty to aggravated murder, kidnapping,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: tampering with evidence, and abusive a corpse. He was sentenced
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: again to life without the possibility of parole for sixteen
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: years added to his death sentences in Ashland and his
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: life sentences in Richland County, Sean Gray became one of
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: the most heavily sentenced individuals in Ohio history. And I
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: think it's important to know that all those happened in
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: different counties, so to try to undo all of it
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: is very messy. So he's not going anywhere. Guys, trust
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: me on that it's not happening.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: So thank God for that.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Mhm.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: The final chapter of this story belongs to the woman
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: who sat across from Sean grat for hours, navigating his
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: delusions and pulling the truth from his other me. Detective
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: Kim Major's rule didn't end with the handcuffs clicked shut.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: It evolved into a legacy of advot advocacy.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: Sorry, there you go.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: In the pursuit of the right story.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: For years, Kim Major was a silent guardian of the case.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: Despite being a determined detective who broke great She declined
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: over thirty invitations to speak on podcasts and news programs.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: Though we are more than happy to talk to you,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Detective Kim Major. I'm a big fan big fans. Amy
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: is very much a big fan, so I mean too.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: Was still but she wasn't interested in the spotlight or
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: the true crime spectacle.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: That changed when a victim's family member approached her with
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: a heartbreaking plea. They told her that their loved one
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: was being portrayed negatively in the media, labeled as trash
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: or disposable. They asked Major to do something about it.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: They asked her to tell the truth.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: Right now, Stringer your comment earlier about how you appreciate
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: we tell their stories exactly, because you never know if
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: their family's watching, but they probably are. And even though
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: the victims aren't with us anymore, they deserve decency and
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: humanity all the time. And a lot of the a
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: lot of people don't really care too much about that,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: but it happens all of the time where they get
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: things wrong about the victims or oh, we're not going
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: to talk about them because they're lifestyles, because they're not
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: the perfect victim. Now Major partner with acclaimed author Lisa
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: Politzer to write A Hunger to Kill. The book serves
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: as the definitive account of the interrogation, detailing exactly how
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: she utilized psychological strategy to dismantle Great's defenses. More importantly,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: it serves as a platform to restore the dignity of
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: the women he killed. It was no longer about the ladykiller.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: It was about the victims, the small town that survived him,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: and the quest for a confession that changed everything. And
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: you read that book, yes, SeeMe, Yes, yeah, what do
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: you read it? What do you rate the book? Four stars?
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: Five stars? How'd you like it?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: I mean I started reading it again?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, so a reread. Wow okay.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: I mean I don't know why, because it's not a
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: The topic is not so.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: Great, right, I know what you mean. Yeah, but I
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: think it's well written.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: It's, yes, not well spoken because I can't speak apparently,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: because I was going to say well written. But you know, it's.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: Still it's good. A Hunger to Kill is the name
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: of a book by Kim Major.
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  Speaker 2: Major's commitment to Ashland County didn't stop with her retirement
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  Speaker 2: from the police Department on May thirty first of twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty two. The very next day, she stepped into a
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  Speaker 2: new role as an investigator for the Ashland County Prosecutor's Office.
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  Speaker 2: She traded her badge for a desk where she could
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  Speaker 2: continue to bridge the gap between the between law enforcement
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: and the legal system, ensuring their futures. Future cases were
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  Speaker 2: built with the same meticulous care she gave to the
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  Speaker 2: Great investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Now today, she continues to serve her community as the
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  Speaker 1: Safety Services Director at Ashland University, giving a watchful eye
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  Speaker 1: on the next generation. But perhaps her most lasting contribution
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  Speaker 1: is the Major Impact Fund, established through the Ashland County
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  Speaker 1: Community Foundation. Recognizing the deep psychological scars left behind by
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: violent crime, Major created this fund specifically to help victims
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  Speaker 1: navigate mental health issues, which I just think is such
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  Speaker 1: a great thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate rebuttal to Sean Great's hunger. While
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: he sought to consume lives and leave only trauma behind,
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  Speaker 2: Major has ensured that the community had the resources to heal. Today,
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  Speaker 2: Sean Great sits on death row. His execution was originally
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: scheduled for March twenty twenty five, but it remains and
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: legal limbo. As Ohio continues to grapple with the logistics
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: of lethal injection. His appeals are exhausted. Thank God, the
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: Lady Killer is now just another number in the system,
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  Speaker 2: waiting in a ten x ten cell for his death
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: to come.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the story of Sean Great is a dark one,
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  Speaker 1: but the ending belongs to the victims and the survivors
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: Dana Stacy, Liz, Rebecca, Candace, and the survivor who started
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  Speaker 1: it all, Jane Doe. Their names are the ones that matter.
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  Speaker 1: It belongs to the family members in the purple hashtag
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  Speaker 1: Stanley Strong Shirts, to the daughters who finally know their
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  Speaker 1: mother's name, and to the detective who refused to let
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: a monster write the final draft of history in Ashland, Ohio.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: A yellow house has gone, but the strength of the
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: people who tore it down remains. And with that, that's
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  Speaker 1: the conclusion of the story of the call that brought
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  Speaker 1: down Sean grat.
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  Speaker 2: Oh And for my closing thoughts, Stringer Bell has pretty
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: much written it for me. Remember the victims, not the
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  Speaker 2: fuck face.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed.
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  Speaker 2: I I know it's I'm supposed to have some great
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: closing thing to say here, but I think the story
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: that you wrote here has really shared this very well
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: the entire from what I know about the case, it
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: is written well. I would strongly recommend reading the Hunger
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: to Kill a Hunger to kill, And you know, I
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: just I don't know what else to say that loss
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  Speaker 2: for words, I'm kind of feeling a little emotional to
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: be honest.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I think hearing the impact of every
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: you know it, the ripple effect. We hear it in
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: every story we tell about how far it goes that,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: you know, these things affect everyone all over all of
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: the time. I also want to say a special thank
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: you to Pam and Disguise, who was a researcher for
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: this series. I can't even tell you how many pages
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: of research she gave me. Good research too, So thank
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: you Pam for all the hard work you put into
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: researching this for us. You know, going from a multi
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: part series of Robert Hansen to this, it really does
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: show you the difference of how things can be handled.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: And listen, I know Robert Hanson was the seventies and eighties.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: Alaska hasn't changed shit. We know that from recent cases.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: They're okay, it's the same thing. Am I saying that
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: what Ohio did was perfect? No, but listen, I know
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: many of you aren't from Ohio, I am. And the
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: counties where these took place they're still rural counties.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: They have one big yeah city if you want to
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: call it that, Everything around it is farmland. You just
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: drove through Ohio you can verify that's what it is.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: No, I was gonna say something like it. It was
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: really kind of eye opening driving through Ohio this last week,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: just how vast the farmland is. Yeah, yeah, I mean
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: very wrong say it. People talk about it, but actually
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: seen it. Yeah, and it's you know, the it just
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: wowed me. It did well.
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  Speaker 1: You know, these counties are very small counties. They don't
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of budget. They don't. That's just the
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  Speaker 1: reality of it all. And I know that when we
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: did talk about Stacy, her family, you know, expressed some
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: grievances that we covered with the police, but comparatively to
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: other police departments, they actually took a lot of this
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: way more seriously than I was honestly expecting them to
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: because they don't have a lot of the same resources.
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  Speaker 1: You know, these are very rural counties. You have like
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: one big town of like I don't know, twenty to
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: fifty thousand people. Everything else around it is rural, you know,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: so having the budget to do a lot of what
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: they did, I mean even for you know, Dana and
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: in them. They went around in Candae. But that's more
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  Speaker 1: than a lot of other places have happened. I have
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  Speaker 1: done for people of life styles. So I really.
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  Speaker 2: Have to be kudos to Ashland. I felt like from
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: what I read that they did as good a job
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: as they could have. I mean, it was you can
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: always do better, right, you can always improve. But with Stacy,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: she had been missing, and I'm not trying to diminish
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: how many days she was missing. I mean, one day
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: is devastating to a family. Oh, absolutely, month, but it
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: was a few days before everything. I mean, I feel
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: like there was momentum happening. It just wasn't going as
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: fast as you want it to be. One that's your
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: loved one missing.
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  Speaker 1: She is more than the stand upal correct with fair grievances,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: of course, of course. But you know, I'm pleased with
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: what they did in this case because they didn't know
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: when they answered Jane Doe's call. They didn't know they
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: were uncovering a fucking serial killer in this small ass town,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: and they had no idea what they were walking into.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, they kind of knew that something was going
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: on between Liz being missing because she called the police
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: all of the time, but to think of what they
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: ended up uncovering, they had no idea.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: So sex of measure, though, man, she had his number.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: I think she as soon as she first time, I
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: mean after her interview with Jane Doe. She was on
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: a mission.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, we didn't include what Jane Doe I was
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: doing with her life. I don't know what she's doing,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: but I don't really care because I think she wants
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: to exactly on your kneath the radar. She exactly, and
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: so I didn't really go digging for stuff on her.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I do care what she's doing. I hope
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: she's happy. I hope she's peaceful. There is the trial
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: is available on YouTube if you want to watch it all.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: We pretty much like went over all the stuff, but
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: sometimes you like to hear with your own ears. She
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: is named in the trial. We still chose not to
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: name her anyway. If you want to hear Jane Doe's testimony,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: you can find it. It's on YouTube dot com. But respectfully,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: I still wanted to continue referring to her as Jane
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: Doe because she didn't she didn't want to ask for
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: any of this, and she was listed as Jane Doe
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: for so long, and she's a very private person, seems yes,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the trailer or the trailer the trial is
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: available on YouTube Long Crime. I think covered it Long Crime.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: How many eight days?
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: Eight days? Nine days?
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: I think there's like ten days because of all of
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: the other the closing statements and ring and all that
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: total is like ten days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense, which is not too bad for
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: a death penalty case. But no, I'm really glad we
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: covered this story again. Here we have another group of
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: very vulnerable victims being preyed on, and I think if
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: there's anything we learn episode by episode is that, yeah,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: you know these people that are on the margins or
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: they're vulnerable or they're naive. Yeah, they can run away,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: or they can overdose or whatever. But how many times
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: do we have to keep hearing the same story before
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: we even consider that a reality that somebody is after them.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's so textbook and cliche that I'm taught,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: as leading Gray said, I'm tired of hearing about their lifestyles.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, like.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: It's yes, it's very rare for you to get murdered
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: by a strangers statistically, yes, but we know predators target
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: these people all of the time for everything, not even
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: just murder, assault, all sorts of things, you know, and
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: people are down on their luck, and I get it,
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: but I'm just I'm just over it. And some people
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: might be like, oh, that's job security. I'd rather not
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: be doing this, I'd rather not be telling these these
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: really sad stories. But there's so much to learn from
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: these stories, and there's so many new outlooks, you know
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: that I think we provide on these people on the
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: Margins's society, you know, by giving their humanity back to them,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: the rest of society is kind of forced to see
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: their humanity too, and that's what we tried to do here.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that it's what I, if you can say,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: enjoy because it's the topic. But it's what I like
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: about what we do on True Crime Line Time is
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: that we tell the personal side of it. Like Stringer
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: had mentioned earlier too, that I've listened to so many
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: podcasts and I've watched so many documentaries about true crime stuff,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: but I literally the details about these people's lives. Did
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: not know any of this, and not like I want
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: to put their lives out there, but it's such an
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: important piece of the story. Yeah, you know, I just
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: I feel like they deserve to have their story is
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: told as much as you can without not knowing who
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: they knowing them personally, you know, yeah, but.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: Instead of some generic like oh they line up a
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: room or whatever. I mean, and people do and that's fine, uh,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: you know, but sometimes it's like, okay, well, like what
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: were they into? You know, why did so many people care?
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: You know, things like that. So, I mean, I'm really
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: glad we're done talking about this guy. This guy sucks.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: I don't care to hear anything about him ever. Again,
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: I don't care to read anything about him. He is
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: not that special. He is a petty biach. I'm happy
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: where he is.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: My only want. I mean, here's the thing, I don't
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: know if he has any more victims. I really find
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: it hard to believe that there aren't.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: Going to admit to them.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: But that's the part that that I'm thinking, like, I mean,
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: he's not gone. He could be saying things right, yeah, exactly.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: He seems to like to talk. He knows he's not
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: going anywhere. Why wouldn't he want the attention that it
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: would get. On that note, I wanted to remember, I said,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: to remind me about notes. I saw a news article
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: while looking into all of this and all of the
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: Sean great stuff, he's writing letters to a news reporter
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: and she brought them to law enforcement. I don't know
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: what's coming of that. It was like a year ago.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: I saw that that that clip was dated. But I
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: almost want to reach out to her and go, Okay,
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: want to know what is he saying?
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: Give us the tea.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: I don't want to give him that pleasure of knowing
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: that I want to know, but I want to know
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: what he's saying.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if we can't even believe it, but you know
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: that is my one thing. Is there more victims? I mean,
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: I think this guy gets set off by fucking nothing.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, he also confessed to people
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: they weren't even looking into. And even though it was
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: miss you know, there was no reason to just offer
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: up those other women. Thank god he did.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: You know. Obviously we didn't know about Candace.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: She wasn't regret.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, we knew about Dana, but nobody knew why
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: or who are you know who's responsible?
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And Rebecca, you know that overturned her her death
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: from overdose to fucking murder, you know. So I mean,
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: maybe he does still have secrets. But as Betty said,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: attention seeker, and I think that's exactly what he is
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: because he feels like he wants to feel more important
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: than he really is. You know, there are some people
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: that I want to hear from after the fact, you know,
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: like I'm curious, I want to know more. This guy,
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck, Like, I don't ever hear
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: anything about him. I don't care about him. He is lame,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: he is petty, he is disgusting.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: As long as he never gets out of the ten
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: by ten cell he's in, I could give a shit
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: less what happens.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: To exactly exactly, And I hope they do something with
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: that property in Ashland, you know, to do something like
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: some sort of like memorial or something. But it's private property,
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: so what you can do it is and sad juicy jewels.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: Juicy Jewels.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: I like that name.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: That's fine. I mean I think that from what I
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: could tell, Ashland probably isn't a community that's really growing
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: a whole lot, so there's really not a whole lot
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: of money there, so doing something with land might not.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: Be It's a fair point.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. And there's always something to be
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: said about where people have died, and especially in such
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: a tragic way. That they might not want to do
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: anything with that place is true.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: That's true. Well, with that, let's wrap up for tonight.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you all again for being on this journey with us.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you again to Pam for all of the amazing
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: research you helped do in helping put all of this
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: together for us, because like it was one hundred and
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: seventy pages I had to go through and and sort
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: of things and one hundred and seventy amazing note pages
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: with everything. So thank you again Pam for all of
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: your health researching.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: That well, I agree with that. Thank you, Pam, you
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: did an amazing job.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: And Amy for being a fantastic first time guest co host.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: Then you get what you get.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: You get what you get. But like she's feeling it
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: though you guys, she's feeling it.
• 2:08:07
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• 2:08:10
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• 2:08:12
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  Speaker 1: Was it an accident? Was it suicide? Was it sabotage.
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  Speaker 1: to say? Aims before we go or sign off?
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  Speaker 2: No, just thank you for being here. Take care of yourselves,
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