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Do We Really Have Free Will? · UK Column Radio

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None. My name is Germ.
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This is Germ warfare, the battle of ideas, Todd Hay.
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And thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Thank you for having me, Germ. It's it's been a while since you
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and I talked, so I'm very excited about today.
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I think over a year. Yeah, it's, you know, it's time
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when you get old time. Like a year is like 5 minutes,
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that's what. It was I, I.
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Yeah. You wouldn't know.
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No, not yet. You got a little while to go.
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Yeah. In fact, the ancient Egyptians
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thought that time was relative. There wasn't.
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There wasn't. You know, some things actually
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took longer than other things. It was like that's how they
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perceive time, which is really the truth as far as empirical
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experiences. It's like there are things that
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take seem to take longer, but we have the clock that tells us
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it's the same. Yeah, but to hell with clocks.
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Technology back. When you and I started chatting
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a few years ago, it was I think in the height of the the COVID
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event and. Yes, it's all.
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Quote unquote over now, but yeah, I'm guessing.
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Part of it is, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean that part, the,
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the, the, the whole psychological operation, you
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know, that people were told about some sort of biological
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event, that part. Right.
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It's over, but but COVID, the word is, it's kind of like a,
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it's like a catch phrase now for something much bigger, isn't it?
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I think so, yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, I know exactly what you're what you're saying there.
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There's a danger, you know, it's the law before the storm.
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There's this, there's this feeling that that it's not a
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feeling because it's it's evidential, but it's it's gone
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down below a certain level. You know, when it raised above
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this level, it was like everybody wearing masks,
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everybody getting a shot and, you know, constant news about
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the number of people that have died and whenever that
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definitely has gone down below, below the noise level.
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But everything that stands behind what happened is still
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there and is and is still very dynamic and very strong.
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But the public doesn't see that. The public didn't even see it
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when it was actually happening. They didn't see it for what it
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was. They, they, you know, they just
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took it point blank as to what, what the authority was telling
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them it was. And obviously that's what we all
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talk about. But I think it's dangerous to
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believe. And, you know, my sub stack
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really focuses on don't don't forget about this.
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This is still happening. And, you know, it's, it's taking
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the form now of, of, you know, the CBDC's and the, the digital
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IDs and even even that's kind of lowered a little bit with its
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intensity of being pushed. But I think the primary thing we
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see it in now is the Middle East and the, the evil Trump who is
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trying to destroy the world. They, they, they, they get, it's
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a distraction because they, they don't really see what is trying
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to destroy the world. But anyway, that's.
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You're you're Canadian, So what are your thoughts both?
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What are your thoughts on Canada becoming a province of the US?
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You know, I, I, I, I don't know, I think, I think in, I think in
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theory or hypothetically, it already is.
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And I think a lot of that is typical Trump blather and, and
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it has a purpose behind it. And the purpose behind it is
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working. It's, it's creating a
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nationalistic fervour in Canada. All of a sudden Canada is
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independent and elbows up and all this junk that's going on
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here. I mean, it's, it's actually
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quite terrifying. And I think that was his
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intention, Believe it or not, I, I don't think Trump's intention
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was to make Canada stronger, but to, to create this fervour, a
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nationalistic fervour, which which essentially got Carney
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voted in. And I think that I think that is
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advantageous to Trump. I, I don't know why.
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I mean, I, I can guess, you know, I think, I think other
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people more well informed and, and studying all, all of this
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stuff would, would, would give a better answer than I would as to
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why. But, but you know, Trump says it
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himself, he, he would rather have the Liberal Party in place.
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And I think it's because he knows he can manipulate that
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easier. And so, so that's what the whole
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51st state thing, I think the intention, just like the Gaza
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thing, you know, turning that into, into Trump Wonderland.
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It it's, you know, it's, it's weird And it there, there isn't,
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there is an intention behind it, But I don't, I don't think it's
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what people think. I don't think it's what is on
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the surface, you know, if that answers your question, I don't
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know. Canada's a weird place right
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now. It kind of reinforces the whole
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idea that it's just all theatre. It is all theatre, absolutely
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always has been. I think it's different theatre
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now. I think it's, I mean, you know,
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like with Trump getting pissed off the other day and dropping
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the F word and all that. I mean, that's all theatre and,
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and it always has been theatre. But I think it's been more
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deceiving theatre. I think it's been more like,
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like, you know, the goody 2 shoes president who never would
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curse and is not a bully and whatever to to the public, you
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know, like Obama, good example of that Obama like presented
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this charismatic really together, you know, loving,
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caring person. And then he's bombing the shit
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out of Syria and and whatever, you know, Yeah, and and now it's
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it's more surface and and the the tactics that are played are
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are still theatre, but I think they're easy to figure out
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actually, if if you think about them, you know, if if you're a
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critical thinker, I think it's easier to look at what Trump is
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doing, for example, and like, get it, you know, to go, OK,
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this is this is what he's doing. This is the theatre he's
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presenting here now. I think it was harder before
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when it's deceiving, when it's deceptive, it's it's harder to
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see it because you got to dig a little deeper.
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Trump is obvious. I, I think it's really obvious.
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And the people that think he's literal hating, look at what
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he's doing now, you know, and you're like, oh, well, it's not
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really what he's doing. It's what he's saying, but he's
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not really doing it. You know, I don't know, I'm not
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a big Trump fan. I, I, I, I mean, I, I'm watching
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carefully. I'm not any fan.
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I'm not. I've never been a fan of a
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president and. But I think that's the right
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position to to to hold. Yeah, it feels that way.
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Yeah. Yeah, just, I mean, it's a big
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game. I don't know anything about it.
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I I don't personally know how to manage the world and what those
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decisions that are made. There's a whole bunch of
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different levels. You can look at it.
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I mean, you can look at it at the at the, the consensus level,
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you know, there's a war going on.
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Israel is being, is being threatened by the Muslim world
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or whatever. And you know, they, they have
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the right to, to blah, blah, blah.
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You can look at it that, that, that level of which most people
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do, or you can look at it at a deeper level that, that they're
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all theatre, They're all manipulating one another for
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different reasons and different goals.
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And it isn't the ones that we're told it isn't about religious
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freedom, for instance, it's it's not about that.
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And you watch the agenda and obviously you, you can see a
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more truthful presentation of what it is about, you know, and
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I don't even think it's about that.
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I mean, you know, I, I once in a while, like when I'm laying
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awake at night, I start thinking about things like the devil or
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lizard man or anything. I mean, you know, you'd like go,
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well, that makes that actually makes more sense.
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You know, more questions are answered If if, if it's actually
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Satan sitting somewhere on a throne with his horns and
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saying, OK, then we're going to destroy the human race and this
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is how I'm going to do it. And or, or alien lizard people
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or whatever. It it makes more sense.
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It it like, you know, but then I wake up and I go, I don't think
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so. I'd love to talk to, to, yeah,
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love to talk to you about this because I, I know you have, you
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have the same kind of open mind that I do.
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It's like, well, maybe so, you know, maybe the Earth is flat,
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maybe there are no viruses, you know, and what, whatever it's
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it's like, OK, state your case. Let me let me hear it and think
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about it. I mean, I know, I know we've
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talked about that before. And I mean, you and I are
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similar. Yeah.
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To to be. Fair.
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If I fly in an aeroplane and I often do this and I look out the
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window, the horizon does look completely flat, right, But but
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then, but then the counter argument is, well, you're not
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high enough. All right, fine, I get it, but
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it doesn't flat. Or does David Icke have a point?
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You know that everything is a simulation and and reptiles, I
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mean King Charles, look at look at him.
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He does look a bit cold blooded. It does well, you know, if, if
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you've ever entertained the, the thought, which, which is a, a
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very viable presentation that consciousness creates material
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reality and that, you know, the quantum physics that I mean, all
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these, all these like very, very, very well educated and
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thoughtful people have come up with these like the multiple
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universe concept, the infinite number of universe, the infinite
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number of realities that consciousness actually forms.
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I mean, if, if you've, if you've entertained that at all, then
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anything, anything's possible, you know, anything is because
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if, if our consciousness can create material reality, then
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we're creating lizards and we're creating a Flat Earth.
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And I've always said this back at a time where everybody
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believed that the earth was flat.
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It was, you know, it's like if, if everyone believes it's flat,
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then it is flat. And if the majority of people
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believe it's round, to those people it is round, like like
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literally manifested round. The people that believe that
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it's flat, they can prove it is because it is in that multiple
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universe, in that reality. So if if you entertain this
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thought at all, I mean anything goes.
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That's a very interesting way of looking at things, Todd, because
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what what it implies is that storytelling narratives actually
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matter more than facts. Because absolutely.
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The history of the history of humanity is storytelling, yeah.
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Everything's storytelling human, human beings operate completely
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in a, in a storytelling and, and an individual storytelling.
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You know, you look at animals, they also have stories, but
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they're more instinctive. They're more historical stories.
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You know, they're more about instincts, genetics, whatever.
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They have their own personal story.
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Of course, if you have dogs at all and you have, or cats or
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anything, well, cats, I don't know, but dogs, if you have
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dogs, it's very, very clear they have different distinct
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personalities. They, they make their own
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personal stories, but they don't live by them the same way humans
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do. I mean, and their stories are
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probably not as complex as, as the fabrication of the story we
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make. So every, everything we do is
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based on story. Some of it's consensual,
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obviously, some of it is personal.
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And if you work in psychotherapy like I do, it's it's amazing the
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personal stories people make that don't correspond with
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material reality, whatever that is.
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So. I do take a slight exception
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though to what you're saying because it does sound a bit woo
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woo postmodern and and I'm not a big fan of postmodernism where
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reality is relative. I mean, surely there is an
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object of reality? Well, you can believe that
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that's a subjective view. Well, not, no, I, I wouldn't say
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it like, I mean, you, you get twisted up in a paradox with,
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with this kind of thinking, because I could say that I could
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say, oh, well, that's your subjective thought about
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reality. So it may not be true, but, but
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I, I don't think it really works that way.
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I, I think there is an objective material reality, but I think
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it's flexible, which what is that objective then?
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No, I, and you know, this is, this is where you really get
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into the twist with it. And I can't even talk about this
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because I, I don't grok it myself.
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I mean, it's, it's too weird. Is, is that the reality, the
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material reality that my consciousness makes is different
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than the one yours makes, But they, they overlap.
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OK. It doesn't mean it's
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solipsistic. And this, this is where you run
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into the problem. It's, it's not saying that I am
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the only conscious being on Earth and I create everything,
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which is a solipsistic idea, but it's saying that everybody has
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and that's why I can't explain it.
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Everybody has access to creating the material reality, but
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they're, they're all separate. But they're not, they're all,
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they're all one. It's, it's impossible to explain
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this. Maybe somebody out there
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listening can explain it, or maybe there's a book that
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explains it. I can't explain it.
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I've always tried to. The closest I get is the one
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electron theory. I, I don't know, I think we may,
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we've talked about this once. We've talked about so many
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strange things, but the one electron theory says that
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there's only one material particle and it's the size of an
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electron, which which isn't really a material particle, but
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anyway, let's us call it that, that it's one material particle
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that sends in quantum theory. That particle can be anywhere
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and everywhere at the same time. That that the to get from here
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to here takes no time. It's like 0 time.
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So therefore it can from a material perspective, not from a
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spiritual one, but from a material perspective, That
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particle can paint the entire universe, the material part of
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the universe, all at once. Because there's no time.
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There's a quantum leap and, and therefore that one particle
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creates everything that you and I are looking at.
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You, me, everybody else, everything it, one particle
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creates it. So that's unity.
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That's the unity concept of materiality.
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Therefore, that particle can be controlled by consciousness,
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which is moving out of the material realm and, and can
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paint anything the consciousness wants it to paint.
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Now, again, where you run into trouble is like, what am I
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painting? Is it the same as what you're
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painting? Is it, you know, obviously we're
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sharing something, you know, you see me, I see you, I see your
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microphone, you know, you see mine.
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And it's like, so there is a, an objective reality to the two of
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us and everybody else that we share something with.
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We can see, you know, and I mean, even Carl Jung made a
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comment like, well, I think it was, no, it wasn't Carl Jung.
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It was Einstein made. I think it was Einstein made
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some comment that if you, if you don't look at the moon, it's not
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there. You know, it's, it's like
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whatever, whatever we're seeing is painting in front of us and
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anything we don't see doesn't actually exist.
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Like my wife now is is at work and it's like she really isn't
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there because I don't see her. I don't paint her there anyway.
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But I mean, why are we talking about this?
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There is, there is, there is a degree of truth in what you're
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saying. If I think back to the COVID
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era, millions and millions and millions of people were told
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that there was a deadly contagion that could kill them
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at at any given moment and they would need to have a vaccine.
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And they believed it and they still do.
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And and it was very real. And you've had these
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conversations with people. Yes, but I know so and so X who
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died from COVID. How dare you say that there was
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no pandemic. It was their reality.
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My reality is that there was no pandemic.
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Right. And you know where you're
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getting you're, you're talking which which everybody you know
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was going to do for the most part.
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You're talking at a certain level of this, of this concept
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of creating reality. And this is the, the common
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concept of it, which is where we actually can see effect by mass
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belief in something. It's, it's different than this
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higher level of creating your own reality because up there
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there's really nothing you can say.
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I mean, then you can say, well, you and I created the reality
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that the, that, that people believed in the vaccine that we
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created that our consciousness created that and created all the
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people, the higher authority telling everybody to get the
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vaccine. We created that.
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And, and it's like, well, that's when you get well, what is that?
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I mean, that's, that's at this weird level.
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We can't really talk about stuff at that level.
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It's, it's too weird. The level you're talking about
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is the, is the acceptable level that if a whole bunch of people
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believe something, then they are going to take a certain action.
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The all the Germans in 1932 that believed in, in Hitler, you
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know, took a certain action. All the Chinese during the
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Cultural Revolution, they took a certain action.
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And all the people that believe in the, in the vaccine takes a
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certain action. So it's like, how do you create
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that? And you, you create that.
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I, I don't think that happens. And I think you and I are on the
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same page with this. I don't think that happens
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organically. I, I think that has to be
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instigated by an agenda, which is what the movie, the agenda
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goes into there. There has to be a, a decision
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somewhere here. And, and maybe maybe it isn't as
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as clear as we would like to think it is.
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Maybe it isn't like, well, let's get rid of, you know, 10 billion
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people and give them this poison vaccine to kill them all.
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It may not be that that literal it may be, but it may not be.
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It may be more of of like, let's create this thing in order to
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get control over everybody so we can kind of funnel them all into
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this, you know, smart city, CBDC, digital ID, what whatever
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the hell it is, so we can move them into that more easily
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because we've got them kind of captured into this fear.
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And and whatnot. So yeah.
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And now why is it that those people fall for it and we don't.
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I think that's the big mystery. I don't I don't get that.
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What why am I special That and and it's it's a huge dichotomy.
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I mean, this isn't this isn't just like, well, yeah, I kind of
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believe this and you believe that whatever.
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I mean, this is radical. What, what we know and can see
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clearly in front of us that these other people can't see.
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I mean, it's like they're blind. Literally.
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They can't see it. And if it's put right in front
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of them, they just reject it. It's like la, la, la, la, la.
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No, I don't want to see that. That is weird.
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I find that very, very strange. Matthias Desmet who wrote the
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book on totalitarianism, but many others have written similar
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stuff. He, he said that around about
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1/3 of people that any at any given stage will be alert or
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awake, quote unquote, which suggests that there will never
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really be a critical mass that's bigger than that.
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I mean, if I think about my own circles, those who believed in
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the COVID scam, those who believed in the vaccine, it's
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always around about a third, more or less.
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I mean, I beg your pardon, Those who didn't believe in it, was it
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right about a third? Sorry, I meant to say that.
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Right. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
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That was implied. I figured it out.
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You know, it's there. There is, you know, from my my
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thinking and my research there, there is definitely validity in
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in an idea of a psychological psychosis, of mass psychosis.
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I don't think Desmond used that term.
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I think he he used something else.
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He. Really dislikes that term.
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Dislikes that term, yeah. It was Rob Malone who It was Rob
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Malone who went into to Rogan and unfortunately butchered what
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Matthias Desmond right about. What does Desmond use?
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Mass something. What is nation fat?
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Right, exactly. And then then again, you can
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also look at it from a psychotic perspective.
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It's more problematic because that's that's a that's a psychic
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pathology that to see on a mass scale is, is a problem.
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But we've seen it in history, you know, mentioned the Germans
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and mentioned, you know, Chinese, the Cultural Revolution
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and there's many others, obviously is some bigger, some
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smaller throughout history where it appears as if people become
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psychotic. Technically they probably aren't
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OK from a psychological perspective, but it is a mass
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formation. And you know, Desmond's a lot
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clearer with his, he's a, he's a brilliant psychologist.
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So he, he obviously can word this much better than I can.
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But but there's more to it now because those, those examples
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are radical cultural influences. And what we're seeing now isn't
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as radical as, say, National Socialism in Germany or, or the
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Cultural Revolution. They're not as radical.
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They, they are there. I think they, they do have an
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upper feed. They're coming down from, from
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this, you know, WEFUN whatever like the agenda talks about, but
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to have the effect that it has, it's it's not.
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And you know, we, we can talk about, well, that's because of
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the COVID thing. And, and that was radical, you
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know, the fear that was put into, but, but it already, it
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already happened before that it, it was like people were ready
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for that, you know, to, to be radicalised by fear and, and
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whatever they were open to it and, and they immediately took
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it and accepted it. There was no question anywhere.
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There wasn't people going, Oh, well, you know, this, the, I
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don't really believe this yet. You know, you, you've got to
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give me more information then. Nobody cared about any of that.
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It was like instant, you know, so.
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This term, radicalization or radical, is a term I've thought
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about a lot. And yeah, I don't really know
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what it means, Todd. It seems to be relative.
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It's always the other person who's radicalised.
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There's never you. Well, there's, there's a lot of
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words like that, like conspiracy and and what whatever.
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You know, you're absolutely right.
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I don't even know what the definition of radical is.
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I, I think what makes us not radical and them radical is when
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it deviates from, I know this is going to be hard to say without,
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without, uh, controversy, but when it deviates from, umm,
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objective reality, you know, truth, you know, I boil down a
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lot of this stuff because, because, because a lot of times
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I sit around and go, Gee, am I the crazy one here?
25:28
Am I the one that's paranoid? Am I the one that's, you know,
25:31
and I, and I boil it down to really simplistic things like
25:34
there is, there's no way that I can, I can go on the other side
25:39
of the concept that an 8 year old should be advocated to have
25:45
surgery or take medication because they're not the sex they
25:49
were born with. I mean something as simple as
25:51
that. But that's quite radical.
25:55
Which is radical? Which one to to believe that to
25:58
have to have children? To have your view in which you
26:02
are opposed to it because the normalisation of it is what's
26:06
going on and so your push back is what makes you radical.
26:10
Right to to that group of people, it's radical, yeah, but
26:14
it just like what you're saying that the term oscillates back
26:17
and forth depending on who's saying it.
26:20
But. And you could say that about
26:22
conspiracy or you could say that about a lot of things.
26:24
It's or truth even, you know, facts are rat are, you know,
26:29
dependent on who is defining them.
26:32
But there's a, there's a, an untruth in that.
26:35
You know, now how people use the word radical, I, I don't know.
26:38
I mean, obviously it's, it's probably deviating from the
26:42
actual definition of it in the dictionary.
26:46
But yes, you know, you were a radical if you were in Nazi
26:49
Germany and, and was Jewish or believed or, or was not Jewish
26:54
but believed that the Nazi idea of exterminating or not, the
26:58
people didn't necessarily know that's what was happening.
27:00
But you know the the negative perception of Jews.
27:04
If you didn't believe in that, you were radical.
27:07
Yeah, but also also sorry, but similarly, the negative
27:11
perception of Nazi Germans, because we have to, we have to
27:15
establish what what was real at the time and, and, and, and it's
27:21
not just that it's any form of history.
27:24
Look at South Africa, for example, right, because we had
27:26
apartheid. So therefore the black
27:28
population was oppressed for a few decades by a white minority.
27:33
That creates the perception that I, as a white South African,
27:37
hate blacks. Well, you're guilty by
27:41
association. Yeah.
27:43
Yeah. And that's the same thing going
27:45
back to the Trump thing. Anybody that doesn't think Trump
27:47
is, is somebody to hate is, is somehow sick, you know, hates,
27:54
hates blacks and and homosexuals and whatever because the
27:59
perception is, is that Trump hates those people too, which
28:02
which I don't think is true. But you know, we're getting,
28:06
we're getting into like objective truth.
28:09
It's like, what is that? And I think it boils down as you
28:14
reduce it and reduce it and reduce it, it does boil down to
28:18
two kind of basic values of life and, and decency and whatever.
28:26
And there are of course people that even argue with that.
28:30
I mean, you know, the, the Nietzsche concept of, of
28:33
creating your own morality. You know, what is morality?
28:36
I mean, what's good for the for the snake is not good for the
28:39
mouse. You know it's, but it's like.
28:41
That's why I sorry for interjecting, but that's why I
28:45
tend to make the argument that I don't know if you agree with me,
28:49
but I'll make the argument that it's very good.
28:52
It's very healthy to have a belief in something outside of
28:59
of the material. I I absolutely agree.
29:02
In fact, I think that's one of the primary reasons why we're in
29:05
the mess we're in is because the agenda is made great effort over
29:10
many years in the West at least, to remove any kind of spiritual
29:14
faith or or you know, religion. But that that removal of faith
29:21
gets replaced with the belief in the state, for example, or
29:24
exactly in the in the in the democratic authorities.
29:28
Yeah, exactly. I mean, Young said this years
29:31
ago. He said that that God is an, is
29:33
an archetype that that we will relate to.
29:37
And if we remove God, then you're going to relate to some
29:41
other power or authority, whatever it might be.
29:44
That probably isn't a good idea. At least God is like, you know,
29:54
it's like you can't really nail it down.
29:56
Like God isn't an authority in the in the sense.
29:59
And that's a lot of reason I hear all the time that people
30:01
don't believe in God is because they say, wow, it's just another
30:04
authority. And it's like, well, do you, do
30:06
you believe in sticking your finger in a light socket?
30:09
And they go, no. And then I go, well, so you
30:12
think electricity is an authority over you, You, you
30:15
think it's, it's a boss, it's telling you what to do.
30:19
And they go, no. And I go, well, then why don't
30:21
you stick your finger in the light socket?
30:23
It's like, you know, do you think that electricity has power
30:27
over you? Well, yeah.
30:28
OK. I mean, it's the same same kind
30:30
of thing. I mean, of course it's
30:32
different. But yeah, you know, the, the
30:34
rules of God are, are just common sense rules.
30:39
It's like, if you want to have a shitty life, then go do this,
30:43
this, this, you know, and, and you will.
30:45
It's like God isn't going to punish you, you're just going to
30:48
have a shitty life. Yeah, but I mean, you were
30:52
touching on something that I've been thinking about also.
30:54
So, you know, I've, I've had David Ike on my show a few times
30:58
and I like David and I like some of his, I like some of his views
31:00
too. But I really, really take issue
31:04
with, with his sort of anti religious position because,
31:09
because it, it requires A remarkable amount of hubris to
31:14
think that you, you are powerful enough to, to be in full
31:19
control. And and that's one of the things
31:21
that I think is, is beautiful about belief, faith is that it
31:26
does, it does force a sense of humility on you.
31:31
Absolutely, yeah. And I'm not that familiar with
31:35
David Icke's work to even know that about him.
31:37
I wasn't aware of that. Well, he says that religion is a
31:40
is a control mechanism. Well, religion is, I mean
31:45
religion, you know, we're and this is something people always
31:48
conflate religion and, and belief or faith or, you know,
31:51
spirituality, because that's, that's a catch phrase.
31:55
It's not the same. Religion is an organisation
31:58
organised by people in order to, at its core, at its authentic
32:03
core, to propagate or to preach or to, you know, whatever a
32:09
particular idea about what God is or what Jesus is or whatever
32:14
it might be. That's open to problems and
32:17
obviously there's been a lot of them over time.
32:21
It's open to problems and interpretation.
32:23
It's open to problems of corruption, it's open to
32:25
problems of, of seizing power and whatever it might be.
32:28
Religion isn't the issue, although I think religion is
32:30
wonderful as a framework for people that believe that can go
32:34
to church and can, you know, do all the ritual structures of the
32:39
religion. But it is a problem.
32:42
Organised religion does have its problems in my, in my view, if
32:47
you find the right place or the right one or the right group of
32:51
people, whatever, it may not have as much problem.
32:53
It's more of a historical problem to me than it is an
32:56
active one. But what you said earlier about
33:01
the humility, it's, it's like the whole concept of, of
33:06
transhumanism, which is kind of one of the leaders in this whole
33:10
world. Weirdness that's going on is
33:13
this idea that we can transcend God's creation, his God's
33:19
ability to create and to to make the complexity of the world
33:26
that, that, that energy, whatever you want to call it,
33:28
call it God, call it whatever you want.
33:31
That we can do that ourselves. And we're so far away from
33:34
anything just because we can build a robot, you know, it's
33:36
like or AI or whatever. Look what we're doing.
33:39
We're as good as God, you know, or the medicine thing or
33:42
whatever is nonsense. And there's such a great, I
33:45
don't know how familiar you are with the book of Job.
33:49
There's such AI mean the the kind of the culmination of that,
33:52
you know, joke gets all pissed off and like saying, why are you
33:55
doing this to me? You've destroyed my life.
33:56
You've done this, you've done that.
33:58
And he has this, this, this face off with God and God guy.
34:03
And you know, God, you know, I'm paraphrasing obviously, but God
34:07
basically says, you know why? You know, you're, you're like
34:11
one person and and you're like making this big deal out of this
34:14
shit. It's it's of course God didn't
34:15
say that, but but it's like, look at all that I've done.
34:18
Look at look at what I've created.
34:20
How dare you even question this. This doesn't have anything to do
34:24
with you as an individual person.
34:26
Look at the, look at the, I mean, he goes through, look at
34:29
the forest, look at the animals, look at the rivers.
34:31
Look at look at this, look at all of this brilliant creation
34:35
that I, that I have created. And you're going to focus on
34:38
this. You know, you're going to get
34:41
upset with me because I, I killed your family or whatever,
34:46
you know it. And it's, of course, it's all
34:47
metaphorical. It's, it's not literal.
34:50
Oh, God's a bad thing. You know, he hurt this poor man
34:52
that really believed in him or whatnot.
34:54
It's, it's a, it's a metaphor. It's an analogy of, of what it
34:58
is We focus on that. We judge God by, you know, we
35:03
judge God by well, if there were, if there was a God, we
35:05
wouldn't have like childhood leukaemia and we wouldn't have
35:09
cancer and we wouldn't have God, wouldn't, you know, wouldn't do
35:12
that. He's, he's hateful and he's this
35:15
and he's that. And it's like, you know, the,
35:17
the whole purpose of of being a being a material being is that
35:22
we die and that we live for a short period of time and then we
35:25
die. And it's, it's like that's the
35:28
material thing. It's that, that's not the
35:30
importance of it. And most of what God does that
35:35
people say is shitty, we bring on ourselves.
35:39
You know, we have, we have free will and we create most of the
35:43
problem that we complain that God has created for us.
35:47
Do you think we have free will? I thought about that also.
35:50
I'm not sure I. Know that's a big topic.
35:52
I shouldn't be talking about any of this, I'm just an idiot.
35:55
You, you, you know, you're throwing out trigger words.
35:59
Yeah. I know I'm thinking about all
36:02
your listeners that are going what is?
36:04
Who does this guy think he is? It's what Noam Chomsky said.
36:09
You, you have the parameters of acceptable discussion or
36:13
discourse or I guess by extension movement.
36:18
And then you're encouraged to to aggressively move and have
36:23
discourse within those boundaries so that you think
36:25
you're free, but you can't go beyond those boundaries.
36:28
With with what you. Can, but, but with there's a
36:32
great deal of resistance. Of what there is.
36:36
A border of a country is a good thing, right?
36:39
It's it's a good thing. It creates, it creates
36:41
neighbours. But I'm still saying that by
36:45
virtue of the fact that somebody's born in North Korea,
36:49
how free are they really? Well, within within that context
36:53
you're 100% correct. But the the the metaphysical
37:00
perspective is more that we can, we can manipulate matter because
37:06
matter is an illusion that matter is created.
37:09
And the only reason why we abide by it is because we're told the
37:12
story that we have to or that it would be almost impossible not
37:16
to. Like your story about
37:18
travelling. It's like we believe that that
37:21
is a limitation because it's been put in place and we believe
37:25
it. We believe it because we see
37:27
evidence of it clearly over and over and over again.
37:30
But we believe it and therefore we don't attempt to change
37:34
something that we believe. And according again, I, I think
37:39
there's a certain point where we don't die on that hill.
37:44
You know, it's like there's no point in you walking across the
37:49
border or, or doing whatever. Like Jesus would walk on the
37:53
water. I mean, that's the whole Jesus
37:55
on the water thing. Who is it?
37:56
See, I don't know the Bible well enough, but is it Peter or Paul
37:59
or somebody that that they're on the boats or something?
38:03
And Jesus says, come over here and he says I can't, I can't
38:06
walk on the water. And Jesus says ye of little
38:09
faith, something to that regard. And it's like, what do you
38:13
expect? I have to have faith that I can
38:15
walk on the water. And it's like, well, yeah, you
38:18
do. If you really believe, if you
38:21
really believe, you can do anything.
38:23
If you really believe that that you have free will, then you do
38:27
you. You don't follow the rules.
38:29
You don't stop because there's water, you know, and there's a
38:32
lot of evidence that if you step on water, you'll, you'll sink
38:35
through it. So it's like, it's a, it's a
38:38
story that we have reason to believe.
38:41
Now there's little ones that we can overcome.
38:44
You know, I have a lot of clients that have no self
38:46
confidence. They, they won't go out for a
38:49
job, they won't go date a woman. They, they won't ask a girl on a
38:53
date because they're terrified. They're told the story that, you
38:56
know, blah, blah, blah. Those, those are easier ones
38:59
say, well, you know, just go do it.
39:01
It's like there isn't, there isn't a policeman there that's
39:03
going to like crack him in the head if he goes and asks a girl
39:06
out on a date. So there's not a lot of evidence
39:09
to say other than rejection. No, I don't want to go on a date
39:12
with you. You're ugly.
39:14
OK, that's rejection. But they face that over and over
39:17
and over again and eventually something will come through.
39:19
So those are easy ones obviously to they're not easy for a lot of
39:24
people, but but they're they're at least conceptually easy where
39:27
what you're saying is not, I mean, you know, to break that
39:30
story is not easy. But have you tried, have you
39:34
just walked up to the gate and say I'm going to get on that
39:37
plane and go, have you tried? No, probably not.
39:40
I wouldn't either. OK, so but you go, well, maybe
39:44
something would happen if you truly believed you had to get to
39:47
Canada and and get on a plane, then maybe something would
39:50
happen. Maybe the person at the gate
39:52
would drop dead from a heart attack or something, whatever, I
39:54
don't know. Something would happen if you
39:56
breakthrough that story, that belief.
39:59
Now this is hypothetical. This is this is a more of a
40:02
higher up transcendent spiritual belief.
40:06
Do do you do it is done unto you as you believe.
40:10
You know, it's the story of walking on the water is the
40:13
metaphor. I don't think we need to do
40:16
that. In in every regard in our life.
40:20
So we don't really have to, you know, exercise our free will.
40:26
And yeah, I think from a pragmatic point of view, you can
40:28
definitely say what you said. We don't really have free will
40:30
because we can't really do anything we want.
40:32
Can the guy that was born with no legs, can he go and win the
40:36
Olympics as a sprinter? You know, no, he doesn't have
40:39
free will even if he wanted to do that.
40:41
And also, when does it start? I mean, for example, you know,
40:45
we have a little child and he doesn't start crying because he
40:51
chooses to eat, cries because he's hungry or because there's
40:54
something wrong. He doesn't understand, Will.
41:01
It's just an instinctive response.
41:04
Or if somebody comes up behind you and they stab you in the
41:09
back, you instinctively respond. You don't act on free will.
41:16
Yeah, you, you have to go back to, to what we were originally
41:23
talking about with creating your own reality.
41:27
If I'm sitting in a room and somebody tells me stories or if
41:30
I watch TV shows or reads books about or listen to what you just
41:34
said about people coming up to you and stabbing you in the back
41:38
and there's nothing, there's no free will in what you do there,
41:41
then that's the story. And that's, that's what I'll
41:45
believe and that's how I'll see it.
41:47
That's how I'll see it for you. That's how I'll see it for
41:49
everybody around me because I'm creating that reality through my
41:54
own consciousness. And this, this is that that
41:56
really weird metaphysical idea I'm talking about.
42:01
So the story is, is what you just said.
42:05
You can't get on a plane if you're in North Korea.
42:08
You can't do this. You can't do that if if you know
42:11
your kids crying, your kid wants, you know, he's not
42:14
exercising very well and neither are you because you don't want
42:16
him to be crying and whatnot. But that goes into this idea
42:20
that we're creating our own reality.
42:22
If we created reality where where nobody stabbed anybody,
42:26
where all borders were free and kids got everything that they
42:29
wanted, then that would be the reality we would be living in.
42:33
And I'm not quite sure if that's good.
42:38
I think it's a terrible. Idea.
42:40
Yeah, I mean, there, there, there's reason for restriction.
42:44
There's reason for the story that we can't do anything we
42:47
want. Well, I mean hierarchy.
42:49
Sorry, but hierarchy creates order.
42:55
Yeah. What do you mean?
42:57
Like what? What does that with what we're
42:59
talking about? High Hierarchy creates order.
43:02
Yeah, and order, Yeah, creates boundaries and parameters.
43:08
For physical beings, yeah, yeah, I, I mean, this is what I think
43:14
philosophically we're getting into here is this is this idea
43:18
of, of why can I, can I curse on your show?
43:22
Can I use the S word, F word? Why the fuck does it matter if
43:27
if you know, we're we are material beings that are
43:30
radically limited just by our materiality.
43:33
Unless you think you can recreate your materiality, that
43:37
you can make yourself a snake or a weasel or whatever in order to
43:42
to better deal with your environment.
43:44
You can shape shift. There are people that believe
43:46
you can. Yeah, right.
43:49
Exactly. That's that's a good example.
43:51
But we don't do those things because our higher self is
43:56
essentially saying no, no, no, you're, you're, you're supposed
43:58
to as a physical being. The whole point of being
44:01
physical and not being ethereal, not being a spirit, which which
44:06
is where we return and what our true essence is, is to go
44:09
through the challenge of limitation.
44:12
You know, that's, that's the purpose that we're limited.
44:16
I mean, look at some of these people that are born with no
44:19
limbs or whatever, some of the stories you hear about these
44:22
people being able to grasp, grab a hold of life and make these
44:27
incredible experiences in life with these radical, radical,
44:31
radical limitations, You know, So I, I agree with you with
44:36
that. It's like there is there's no
44:39
point in, in taking your, your ability to, to manipulate matter
44:47
and get on a plane and go to Canada using that, using that
44:50
ability. There's there's no purpose in
44:52
it. If if you had to get to Canada
44:54
because you're, you know, you had a child or whatever that was
44:58
dying there and you being there would save them, you probably
45:01
would figure out a way to get there, you know, that would not
45:06
limit you. But there's really no reason to
45:08
at this point. Does that make any sense?
45:10
Huh. In all fairness, there's there's
45:13
no reason for anybody to go to Canada.
45:16
No, there isn't. Not now.
45:17
There isn't actually. You know, it could be a lot
45:21
worse. This isn't North Korea or any
45:24
number of places that would be would be a lot worse to be in.
45:28
But Australia, you know. Yeah.
45:32
A friend of mine said that being in Canada is like being on the
45:34
first boat that hit the beach in Normandy.
45:38
It's like they're going to be the first one that gets mowed
45:41
down, you know, with all that's going on.
45:44
And that's probably true. So.
45:48
Yeah. We've been chatting very
45:51
philosophically, but I mean, that's your shtick.
45:53
That's, that's what you do shrew, shrew views is, is a, is
45:58
like a, it's like a sort of philosophical, psychological
46:03
take on on reality in the world around us.
46:06
And you've got a book out, haven't you?
46:08
Yes. Sir, it's coming out on Monday
46:11
where you can get it, if you can see that that's the book, The
46:15
View of the Shrew. We're all shrews, all of us on
46:19
this side of the fence. I, I named us that and that's my
46:24
sub stack at shrewviews.com. And we do, you know, I, I
46:29
appreciate you calling it philosophical.
46:31
I don't consider myself a philosopher at all.
46:35
I but I think it's more philosophy and psychology from a
46:40
layman's perspective, really, even though I'm a professional
46:43
psychologist or psychotherapist, it's still, it's still my take
46:48
as a, as a layman, as a person on what's going on.
46:53
And the interesting thing is that when I first started
46:55
writing, I thought, why would anybody be interested in, in
46:59
what I'm having to say? And the number one comment I get
47:03
from the people that read my work is I was just thinking the
47:06
same thing this morning. And thank you so much for
47:10
putting it into the words you put it into because it makes so
47:12
much sense and it resonates with, with what I'm thinking.
47:15
And that's it. That's, that's what drives me to
47:18
write because every time I write, I go, Gee, I wonder who
47:20
out there is thinking this too? And so it's it's been very, very
47:26
rewarding in that sense. But I think it matters also, you
47:30
know, something that I've learned from the COVID era is
47:35
the profound unreliability and inconsistency of materialism.
47:41
Well, that's interesting because that's, that's my experience as
47:44
well. And I think it's a lot.
47:46
It's like all of a sudden you go, what about that, you know,
47:50
is, is that, is that true? I've always thought it was.
47:53
And then you start to look into it and you start going, you
47:57
know, it probably wasn't. And that's that's a strange
48:01
awakening because it's not, it's not based on just, oh, that's
48:06
contrary. Oh, this is contrary to what
48:09
everybody thinks. So it must, it must not be true.
48:12
It's based on evidence. You look into it and you start
48:15
like going, I never thought of that.
48:17
That's absolutely doesn't make sense.
48:20
How, how did they do blah, blah, blah.
48:22
And then you go, because you take everything for granted.
48:26
It's, it's like, oh, sure, you know, it happened.
48:29
So they must have figured it out.
48:32
And, and then when you, when you go, well, maybe it didn't happen
48:35
and you start looking and you realise they didn't figure it
48:37
out. And like the moon landing is a
48:39
good one. You know, my, my new theory with
48:42
the moon landing is that they, they, and this isn't my theory.
48:46
This is just an idea that they did actually land on the moon,
48:50
but they didn't have the technology to let everybody know
48:53
that to like have like the cameras and all that.
48:57
And they go, but we've got to let everybody know we're there.
48:59
So let's make that part up. Let's let, let's do a film of
49:04
them walking around on the moon and let's make all that crap up
49:08
so that we can prove or we can pretend like we're proving that
49:11
people were actually there and it all backfired on them that
49:14
it's like, whoa, no, this is all fake.
49:16
And well, we actually did land. But I.
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Mean it's hard. We all know that the Earth is
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flat and the moon is just plasma.
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That's right. Exactly.
49:24
Yeah, it's it's fake. We don't know what's on the
49:27
other side of it. So who who knows what's over
49:29
there? By the way, have you seen that
49:32
movie? I think it's an Apple movie.
49:33
It's called Fly Me to the Moon. Moon came out a year ago with
49:38
Woody Harrelson and Scarlett Jansen.
49:40
And I forget now as a Channing Tatum.
49:44
I think it's very good. And and the reason why I say
49:48
that is, is that it's the first movie in the mainstream
49:52
Hollywood sense with a list actors and a big budget that
49:58
actually entertains the idea that the moon landing was a
50:01
hoax. Really.
50:03
Yes. Is does it do it comedicly?
50:06
I mean, it doesn't make it fun. Yes, it basically makes makes
50:11
their side look ridiculous and there's a count show, but the
50:14
point is, is that it nonetheless entertains the idea.
50:19
And it's it's a big portion of the movie.
50:22
And that guy, that guy who is the clown is Woody Harrelson.
50:28
And and it's such, it's such a good spin to the moon landing
50:34
Apollo mission story. I would strongly recommend
50:36
watching it. Oh, definitely.
50:37
I'm going to check that out. That's very cool, because
50:41
remember, that's very cool. As opposed to simply not even
50:45
entertaining the idea, Entertaining the idea is now
50:48
opening the gate. Right.
50:50
It it particularly if if the truth is the thing people are
50:55
starting to believe that they didn't believe before.
50:57
And you know what is truth? OK, well, in the material world,
51:01
there is an objective truth. Now, you can get into the
51:04
metaphysical crap we've been talking about and say, well,
51:06
there really is no truth, you know, because of everything's
51:08
manipulated. But in the material world, at
51:11
least a story that you and I, and I guess most every other
51:15
person, if they're real, adhere to, there is a truth.
51:19
You know, there is a truth about 911.
51:21
There is a truth about Kennedy and whatever.
51:24
And if that truth was covered up through government manipulation
51:30
or whatnot, and most people didn't didn't see the truth,
51:34
then what you're describing is that people are waking up to the
51:37
truth. They're not, they're not
51:39
changing their story. They're just that the story does
51:42
change, but they're not just changing their story.
51:44
Now there's a lot of people I believe that are coming to the
51:49
truth with no evidence. They're they're not actually
51:53
seeing the evidence. They're just following the
51:55
trend. Oh, Gee, did you know that, you
51:57
know, all kinds of people are believing now that Kennedy was
52:01
not assassinated the way that we always thought.
52:04
But they don't actually go in and say, Gee, I wonder why
52:06
people are thinking that. And look at it.
52:08
They're just going along like they did before with the
52:11
consensus of, of what people are saying or what movies are saying
52:15
or whatever, which is better than the other way.
52:18
Obviously, you know, you can propagandise the truth.
52:22
You can, you can cause people to believe the truth the same way
52:26
you can cause them to believe a lie.
52:30
You know, it's the same method. You know, if you don't look at
52:34
evidence, you're following the pack.
52:37
And that's better than the other way.
52:39
I mean, it's better than following the pack for a lie or
52:42
an untruth, so. You're touching on epistemology
52:48
though, the theory of knowledge. Why do you believe what you
52:51
believe? This is a conversation I had
52:53
recently with Peter Boghossian, who wrote a great book called
52:57
How to Have Impossible Conversations, and he argues
53:01
that facts don't really matter, what matters is why people
53:03
believe what they believe. Well, ultimately that's true.
53:07
I mean, obviously, ultimately that's true.
53:10
I still believe, and maybe you do too, even though I'm talking
53:14
about this weird metaphysical stuff.
53:16
I, I still do believe there's an objective reality.
53:19
And I knew you asked that question around at the
53:21
beginning. I wish you washed around it.
53:23
But I, you know, I, I don't think we can really function
53:26
through life, at least easily, as easy as as possible without
53:31
believing that. I mean, I, I have to believe if
53:33
I walked out in the street or if I walked out onto the water, I
53:37
would sink. You know, I'm, I am of little
53:40
faith according to Jesus. So I, I do believe there's an
53:43
objective reality. Now coming to that is what
53:47
you're saying. It's like, if I don't believe it
53:51
is that as powerful? Like if I, if I don't believe in
53:55
the assassination, say as, as actually really happened, that
54:00
is more powerful for me that I believe something that isn't
54:03
true is. And I think that's what you're
54:07
what you're coming to with that, right?
54:09
That, yeah, in my personal life, and I deal with this every day.
54:12
I mean, the the stuff that I deal with with clients is, is a
54:16
departure from objective reality.
54:19
It's it's, it's an insistent that subjective reality is the
54:22
truth. And that sometimes is true, but
54:28
often it's not. I'll give you a good example.
54:32
Just one final example, because I'm just checking the time
54:36
contagion is one that I have focused a lot on since about
54:41
halfway through the COVID era. You know, can you give me
54:45
something and make me sick? And it's one reason why those
54:48
people get sick then when they're around somebody else
54:51
who's sick, they, they, they self prove their belief because
54:56
of a, of a more, you know, placebo like effect or nocebo
55:02
effect that, that if they believe they're going to get
55:04
sick, if they're around somebody who has a cold, then they're
55:07
more likely to get a cold. I'm in the same place with you
55:11
with that. And I haven't, I haven't done
55:13
enough research. There's a common sense element
55:15
to me about pathogens and about the transference of bacteria and
55:22
parasites and various things like that, that just fit the
55:25
world view of nature. You know, it just makes more
55:28
sense to me that you can spread a disease.
55:32
And, and I, I think that I think what's good it's going to come
55:35
down to is that it's partially true and it's partially false.
55:39
And I think that science, quote unquote, whatever the medical
55:43
industry, whatever has run with it for monetized reasons, run
55:49
with this pathogen spreading pathogen thing, you know, blah,
55:51
blah, blah. So I don't think it's, it's
55:53
quite as true as they want everybody to think it is.
55:59
And I'm very much on the fence with the virus thing.
56:01
I'm very close to believing that that the virus idea is, is not
56:05
accurate. But you know, the whole bubonic
56:09
plague with fleas, and I mean, did, did fleas actually have a
56:13
pathogen in them that they bit people from being on rats and
56:16
whatever. It just makes sense.
56:18
Now there are people that argue that that say the whole bubonic
56:21
plague thing was a hoax and was bullshit and why not so.
56:25
What you're saying is a good thing because what you're saying
56:28
actually is what science is about.
56:30
It's about questioning all the time and not just grammatically
56:34
accepting. The difference is, is that we're
56:38
being, well, maybe it's not that big of a difference, but we're
56:41
being driven by an agenda there. There is an agenda there that
56:45
says, hey, it's the, it's the our better interest that
56:47
everybody believed this. You know, that we will be able
56:51
to control it better if everybody believed this.
56:54
And you know, you could say with the medical industry's always
56:56
had an agenda because there's money involved, big pharma,
57:00
whatever. And that's true.
57:01
The king 102 hundred years ago has an agenda.
57:06
But those are more obvious manipulations, you know, then
57:10
then what we're seeing now. What we're seeing now is cloaked
57:12
in deception. And that's the bad part.
57:17
That's the reason why people have to wake up.
57:19
It's easier to wake up 100 years ago because people thought they
57:22
went, oh, that's weird. I it doesn't make any sense.
57:26
You know, they're common sense. Told them no, it doesn't make
57:29
any sense. And so they actually, and this
57:32
is something I think David Ike talks about a lot with the
57:35
manipulation, indoctrination of education.
57:37
It's like we're taught not to think, and so be it.
57:44
Todd, how can I follow your work?
57:47
Go to shrewviews.com www.shrew Like the little animal views all
57:53
one word and if you're interested in the book, go to
57:57
Amazon and look for it. The view of the shrew clever or
58:04
book stop by Todd Hayon slash Todd Hayon.
58:07
It'll be there on the 30th on Monday.
58:10
I would love it. I would love to see anybody new
58:13
come to the I mean we have a community there that is that is
58:16
the primary focus of shrew views.
58:18
My writing is kind of the thing that gathers people, but it's
58:21
the comments. I comment all the time.
58:24
I'm always engaged with people commenting and, and everybody is
58:28
everybody that's there is we're all of like mine, which is kind
58:32
of strange to think about. I mean, it's really weird that
58:35
so many people on this side of things all think the same.
58:39
They all pretty much agree on at least the major, the major
58:43
things. So it's nice and isolation is
58:47
one of the biggest problems that we're dealing with now is, is
58:50
this. And that's why what you do is is
58:52
so important and anything in the alternative news media is, is so
58:57
radically important because the the mainstream is captured.
59:00
Of course, that's obvious. It's it's like it's not going to
59:03
give you anything that's consistently accurate.
59:07
So thank you for what what you're doing and what you've
59:11
always been doing. I mean, you're the man, so.
59:13
Thanks, Todd. And with that, Todd hey, and
59:16
thank you for joining me in the trenches.
59:18
Thank you, guys. Take care.
59:20
Thank you, Jeremy.