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SENSITIVE EPISODE: Executive Assistant/Former Kimberley Girl Jenaya Cox · She Said It Out Loud with Emma Young

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  SPEAKER_02: You're listening to She Said It Out Loud, where real women share real stories without sugarcoating a theme.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Emma Young, and I'll bring you on filtered conversations with ambitious women who faced challenges, made bold moves, and learned a lot along the way.
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  SPEAKER_02: You'll get real takeaways, honest lessons, and stories that you're gonna relate to.
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  SPEAKER_02: Righto, let's get started.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: Hey there and welcome to the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today's episode is kindly sponsored by Juddogen Aboriginal Corporation.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_02: My guest today is an executive assistant to Nathan McIver, who is the CEO of Juddogen Aboriginal Corporation.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: I had to get Janae on the podcast because she is an aspiring woman.
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  SPEAKER_02: She has lived in Juddogen community itself pretty much since she was a little girl.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she has family that still live there, friends, of course, that still live there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she only recently moved to Perth.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, she's still doing her position remotely.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_02: She is a young mum.
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  SPEAKER_02: She has a beautiful little girl, Avery, and of course she's got her partner Dean, but she's making it work.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: As in working remotely, and still this would be a stressful job.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we talk about a lot of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: We do have a few sensitive topics that we do talk about, as in domestic violence, and we also talk about family pressures, being an Aboriginal person, but being an Aboriginal woman in and what it's like, I should say, in a remote community.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I just wanted to give you guys the heads up in this intro today, just so you're prepared.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, trust me, Jenea Cox is her name.
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  SPEAKER_02: She is an absolute inspiration to many, and I can't wait for you to listen to our conversation.
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  SPEAKER_02: So here it is.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to the podcast Naya.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: Naya, her full name is Jenea Cox, but everyone just calls her Naya.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: So welcome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hello.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: How are you going?
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  SPEAKER_02: Can you explain to my listeners a little bit about yourself?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm Janea, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_00: Emma introduced me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm a Baite Jarry woman from Juddijan.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I grew up there most of my life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I went down to school down in Perth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because we we do have a high school, did have a high school there when we were younger, but they decided to send us to boarding schools.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I went to LaSalle College in Midland.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I later on went to Aronmore Catholic College.
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  SPEAKER_00: So did you do that from like seven, eight, nine, like the full high school years?
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  SPEAKER_02: Seven, eight, nine, ten.
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  SPEAKER_00: Most of my family is from Juddigin, Funnel Point, and Beagle Bay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Man, you got a lot of family spread out around the community, that's for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Along the Dampir Peninsula.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: This is one thing I do really want to I want to start off by asking, what was it like living as a little kid in an abstract community?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like as small as Juddigen.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was good.
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  SPEAKER_00: I reckon back then when we were kids it was a more better childhood than I see in this generation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cause before we get to play and be outdoors.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And do things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like less social media and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like do things that kids don't do this generation.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like going on to the beach.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our parents trusted us to walk down to the beach and back, which is only like a ten-minute walk.
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  SPEAKER_00: We had to be at home by the sun goes down.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well well when the lights turn on, basically.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's like a controversial thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Be home before the lights go down.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that childhood, I guess this generation now, I mean you're a lot younger than me, but they would be hearing this a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's it's gets talked about a lot where it's like, you know, back in my day when we were kids we used to play and you could just go off and as long as you were back before the street lights came on or the sun went down, then it's happy days.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it was like that in the community too, then.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like that in the community as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: So always playing like Skittles, marble, playing basketball.
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  SPEAKER_00: Basketball one of the main sports in the community.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it seems to go off, hey.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very popular.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I guess I take it for granted because I work for Tratogen and I'm in the three different communities each week, and over time you get to sort of see the differences and see sort of what community life would be like.
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  SPEAKER_02: But what do you think most people wouldn't know what it's like to live in an ability community?
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  SPEAKER_00: Everyone is related in the community.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everyone knows each other.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can't do anything without someone already knowing something.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do think that that is small townness in general.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very remote in the community.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's like 197Ks from Broom.
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  SPEAKER_00: So most of the community members actually drive to Broom to do their shopping.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to talk a bit about you meeting Dean.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Dean is your partner.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_02: Before you met Dean, okay you were in a same-sex relationship.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you're with that person for a couple of years.
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  SPEAKER_00: About seven years.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's a long time.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, uh, people were saying that I was a lesbian.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, technically, if I was with the same sex, but I would I would say I was like more bisexual.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: So you obviously like boys and you like girls.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then but you didn't want to put a label to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that relationship I think that started back in like 2015.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was very really young.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was just like, okay, we just clicked sort of thing.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then throughout that relationship, I've realized that it was getting toxic.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like we were emotionally attached to each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I couldn't we had breaks like in between where she went off and I'd go do my own thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: But somehow we like end up back together.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it was like this emotional attachment where we couldn't leave each other.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you think this is because you got together so young?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: I would like to mention like that.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: Been through domestic violence with my parents.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I wouldn't want to put myself in that position being with a guy at a young age.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: So you'd been through you've you'd grown up with domestic violence.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so you were saying that you experienced oh, that's so that's why you went with a with a woman.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you didn't think that that was gonna happen.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I think I wouldn't think that like, but then it happened with a woman.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
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  SPEAKER_02: No one really talks about that.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't feel.
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  SPEAKER_02: I honestly don't think that many people talk about that that it does happen.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I get that people probably know that it happens.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just not ever really spoken about.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you think of domestic violence, it's always, well I would say over 70% men doing something to a woman.
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  SPEAKER_02: Rarely is it anyone talks about same sex, whether it's two guys or two girls that might be in a toxic relationship experiencing that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that was for you then.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like I went through the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like yeah, same thing with her.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the girls make jokes, this they say they want to be with ladies, and I said, ladies are just as toxic as men.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you mean the ones that might not think that they might have domestic violence?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you were in this, I mean, seven years is a very long time.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you met Dean though, were you at a point where you were already thinking about yes, like this is this relationship is not doing me any favours, it's not doing me any justice, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's time to get out.
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  SPEAKER_02: Dean around at the time?
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  SPEAKER_00: Dean, yes, was around.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like when I first moved to Derby, he was not around.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like he wasn't I've never met him in the friend groups, anything like that.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: I met him towards the ending of that relationship that I had with the Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's when I was like over it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was at the point where I was seeing counselling.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: And talking about my relationship with the counselling um in Derby.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even mentioning it to friends and family that like I can't do this with her anymore.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I need to get out of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would say Dean and I happened really fast.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because we were friends.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean it seems for you that this has been the best thing for you because Dean seems like a great guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you've you've had little Avery.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you became a mum to little Avery when you were 24.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: What's that been like for you?
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's been good.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's a learning curve when you have your first child.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like I thought I knew things about babies because I grew up around younger siblings.
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  SPEAKER_00: But once you have your own, there's like so much new things that you don't even know about.
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  SPEAKER_00: And postpartum depression.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't know that was a thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: And did you experience that?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a bit.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: Even postpartum hair loss.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that was a thing until I went through that.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just like, whoa.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: Having a baby changes everything.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: When I first found out I was pregnant, gave up smoking the next day.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's really good.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was like, nah, I'm not gonna smoke through my pregnancy.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: Something that I didn't want to do.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think I had my first drink when she was two years old.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I waited a long time to actually get back into drinking.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: But I still today I just have a few drinks here and there.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: But before Avery, I was a party girl.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Were you?
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was at Rowie's like almost every second weekend or something.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: Jeez.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: When you were at boarding school, like what was it like with sex education and talking about, you know, being a mum?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, was it don't have sex to then potentially get pregnant?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like what was it like?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was just like basically telling us about the rod in your arm.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Always wear protection.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Same, same.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you're gonna have a boyfriend, be careful.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: But lucky for me, I didn't get pregnant at a young age.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, 24 is now I think it would be considered quite young.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah because everybody's well not everybody, but lots of women are having their first child in their mid-30s.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_02: Four early foot forties even.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: So But I mean, thank you for sharing that about what the things that you've gone through.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: Because yeah, I don't think postpartum depression is one of those subjects that either women are happy to discuss it, or they don't want to even acknowledge that it could be a thing for them.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: And even with my birthing birthing experience, I don't think I want to go through that again.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: It was just hectic.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone just doesn't well with indigenous people, it's not a conversation that you would have with each other.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like as in the birthing experience or just how pregnancy in general, like everyone just gets pregnant and doesn't like really talk about the experience.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, again, thanks for sharing that.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: One thing that I do want to talk about, and look, this could be considered a controversial topic, but it's my own curiosity.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_02: I want to know more about what your own thoughts and feelings are about shame.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: So shame for Aboriginal people, whether that's men or women, but I want to know is this something that as you're growing up as a little kid, is it I don't want to say is it embedded, but is it something that's just happened?
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like it's something that just happens.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: And because our parents, if they don't have much confidence in themselves, then they don't pass that on to the children.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're not gonna have conf like that confidence, then you obviously gotta get it from someone else.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: You'd be like, don't go, that's shame.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: So we were talking about this off air before I hit record, and recently Jenea was up for Rising Star of the Awards or at Broom Business Awards, which is a huge achievement.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: So congratulations on that.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_02: But Juddigen themselves actually won a bunch of awards on the night, and there was one of the awards where you know this Nathan, the CEO, and I think even Brian and everyone was trying to get everybody up on stage.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know if you were off doing something, but you had slightly missed that window where everybody walked up at the same time.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so then you your instant reaction was like, oh no, that's shame.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, shame, I'm not walking myself.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and see that's that's the thing that boggles my mind.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I guess I'm trying, I'm tripping over my words here.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: But that for me, it's like that's such an achievement.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: You're part of the team, everybody wants you to get up there.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, how could that possibly be shame?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: But your instant thought was like, oh no, I don't want to do that.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because Nathan was like, Where were you?
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: I was waiting for you to come up and I was you're like, no, that's shame.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even the other guy that was there with Dapple, he didn't want to get up there because of his dress code.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, like, that's shame.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's not shame.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and we were talking about this just later on where I'm like, I don't know, maybe because I'm I just a naturally confident person.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course, if somebody's gonna be calling my name out, I'm just gonna be swanning up there like I own the joint.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: But that's my personality.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I've talked to several different Aboriginal people about this, where they're like, oh nah it's just a thing.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's just as you're growing up, it's just a thing, like, oh nah, that's shame doing that, or that shame showing confidence.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: To me, it's like, I want to know where that comes from.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_02: It but it seems to just be a thing.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like when people like when you're around people, other people in the community, and you do something, they'll make a comment about you.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's more like those days, are they gonna judge me?
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: If I do something like this, because that's yeah, I think that's where shame comes in.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: Completely change of topic here.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: I want to know what is it like now working remotely in this position that you've got?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Because this job that you've got as an executive assistant to Nathan, obviously his job is incredibly busy.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: He does a lot of things, and then you're like his off-sider where you're just doing all this really cool stuff, checking his calendar, going through the emails and what's it like working remotely now?
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Working remotely is good.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: I get a lot of work done.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, when I worked in the office, there was a lot of distractions.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm related to everyone in the office, so yeah, okay.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's easy to get distracted by people, you know, and they come in with their what they conversations and all of that stuff.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: You get sidetracked, I'd say, by conversations.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: So manage to get a lot of stuff done while I'm done in Perth, but it's just a bit isolating because there's no one else to talk to.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Fair enough.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: I could see how that could be an issue.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: So the only people that I'll mingle mingle with during the day would be Avery and my mother-in-law.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think you should be proud that you've just it just seems like you've transitioned into this working remotely.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's good because I'll be able to attend things in Perth for Juddigen.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: I've already went to the Builders Masters Award.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yes, how was that?
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: That was really good.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I've attended that with the lawyer.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was a good night.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: There was uh just over a thousand people at that event.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's a lot of people.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well, listen, you should be proud of yourself because that's good that you're representing the community.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: Now one thing I do want to ask you, because I feel that most women don't do this often enough, but what's something that you've done or that you've achieved and that you're proud of?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: One thing I've achieved is Kimberly Girl.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yes.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I did Kimbly Girl in 2016 and I got the Ambassador Award, which was really good.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: And since then I was getting like little jobs here and there in Broom.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think I did like three in Broom, and then I did the Perth Fashion Show in 2019.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: So for anybody that's listening that doesn't know what Kimberly Girl is, it's been running a long time.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: Over 20 years.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, over 20 years.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like an indigenous modelling, I guess you could call it a competition.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously for young girls, and there is an age bracket.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: And there's like workshops to build confidence as well.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: And that I really do love that that premise of the workshops to build confidence because it's not not everybody is naturally confident.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: You won the Ambassadors Award for that in 2016.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: And then, like you mentioned, doing Perth Fashion Shows.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: So you're a model.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: I enjoyed it, and I was there with some other girls from the Kimberley and they look really stunning.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's a good experience.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: I would encourage other indigenous young ladies to do it.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: At first, it's like nerve-wracking, you think something, but that once you get into it, you're just like, I can do this.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then before you know it, it's all over and you get to go home.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: But would you say you obviously developed more confidence from doing this?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: I would say that I've developed more confidence going through Kimberly Girl, even though I was a very outgoing little girl growing up.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: So good.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for sharing that.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: If you and I got together in another five years' time, what's something that you think you would have hoped would have changed in that time?
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say kicking Nathan out of the seat and becoming CEO.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Then I'll be your boss.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you you will be my boss.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't that exciting?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: I know that he's possibly spoken about he has goals and ambitions and dreams for you.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: That is certainly something that you can work towards, and I think that you would be great at doing that for the community itself.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: Having somebody that's lived in the community, what better way?
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: Nathan, who already is supporting you so much and has all these high ambitions.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: You having that as something that you want to do in the future, good on you.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Weird to be like the CEO of a community that I'm from.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: But in a way, good.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's a really good goal to have for in the future.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: And engaging with people that probably know me from like being an EA.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: And if I was to move up to CEO, like they've got this relationship with me already.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's good that the two of you work together already so well as a team.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: So that, you know, if you if you had a boss that you didn't get along with, that would be very difficult to try and have those ambitions, I feel, because there'd always be this kind of like itchy kind of abrasiveness.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: But that's not the case for you two.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: We're good.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Good on you.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's so good.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: Now, look, your rapid fire questions.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm just gonna put them straight out there for you.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: The first one is who's a strong woman in your life and what have you learnt from watching them?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh my mum would be the strong woman in my life because um she went through a lot.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: She still deals with a lot mentally.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: But she's inspired me to be the person I am today.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh who was the person growing up who really believed in you?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I know this one already.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: That will be my mum again.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: She she's a believer when it comes to her kids, so make them strongly believe that they can do what they want and get what they can.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: What are three things that you're really good at?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Fishing.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Fishing, yep.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Helping people, helping others, like when they need just um lend a hand or something.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: I would say my confidence.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: My outgoing uh confidence that I have around people that I just met.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say yes, tick, tick, tick to all three of those.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: Now lastly, you know, I I know that you've listened to some of the ep I give my guests an opportunity to give a shout out to a woman who's inspired them.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: So who have you got for me?
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I would shout out to my auntie, Amelia Bensali.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, cool.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: She's just started her business, small business.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's Yarolin Designs.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you I don't know if I pronounce that right, but you can find her on Instagram.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, great.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's Kafta where they did all these indigenous designs.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: So she promoted her designs on that as well.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: I only just discovered her literally this week.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: She started following me and then I just stalked her page for like an hour.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: And she has some incredible designs that she does.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: I get that she's a one-woman show.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because part of me was like straight away, where's her website?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: Where can I get this?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: Where can I buy this?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's obviously seems to be slow fashion where she's obviously creating it herself.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but that's great.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: And the more people that we can obviously promote, the better.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: So thanks for that shout out.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: She seems to be an incredible woman that's keeping it.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: She's amazing.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: She's inspired me and supported me through a lot as well.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: So she is a lovely, lovely person.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out to Amelia.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks so much, Naya, for coming and meeting with me today.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: So thanks for joining me.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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• 19:05
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• 19:16
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