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The Sarah Kellen Congressional Transcript (Part 8) (6/14/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
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  the Sarah Kellen interview with Congress. Question by misredacted if
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  we could turn back to New Mexico for just a
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  few minutes, just to confirm. You believe that you did
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  book some travel via both private plane and commercial plane
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  to Zoro Ranch, but you don't have a firm recollection
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  for who or what years? Ham can I ask you,
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  do you have the flight logs that might help her
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  job her memory, at least for the Epstein flights redacted,
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  just trying to get a general sense. Kellen, Yeah, I
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  wouldn't have. It's so long ago. I wouldn't have specific
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  like dates or people. Question by misredacted. Did you ever
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  overhear Epstein or Maxwell talk about New Mexico officials in
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  the context of Zoro Ranch and there are operations at
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  Zoro Ranch? Answer? I knew there were friends with Governor
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  Richardson of New Mexico. Question do you remember how you
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  learned that? Answer? It's possible that he came to the
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  ranch to visit. I feel like there were some like
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  he I'm trying to think if there were any connection
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  to him, like owning some of the ranch or property.
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  I might just be getting confused, or that was there
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  was another governor I believe that owned the ranch, but
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  it might not have been the Richardsons. I know that
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  they were friendly. Question do you have any memory of
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  them talking about law enforcement, specifically in the context of
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  the ranch and their operations at the ranch? Answer? Not really?
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  But in what capacity? Question generally or potentially you know,
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  providing protection for them or others Kellen, no question, no, okay.
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  Are you aware of any efforts to suppress or delay
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  state level investigations into their operation at Zoro Ranch? Answer
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  no question okay. And then finally, are you aware of
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  any disappearances or deaths related to Zoro Ranch? Answer? No
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  question okay. By mister redactid ms Kellen. I just had
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  a few follow up questions for you regarding your discussion
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  with the ranking member about your interaction with Donald Trump
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  at mar A Lago. When did the encounter take place?
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  Answer it was probably two thousand and two or two
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  thousand and three. Question And what was the reason for
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  your being at mar A Lago? Answer Jeffrey would go
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  and use the gym there. I went with him one time,
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  and Donald was there. I don't think he was in
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  the gym, but he was, like, you know, in another
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  room at mar A Lago and we just went and
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  said hello. Question and then the five minute interaction that
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  you mentioned, What did you talk about with Donald Trump? Answer?
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  I don't remember. It was just kind of more of
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  like nice to meet you, I think type of thing.
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  It wasn't a specific topic. Question was anyone else part
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  of the interaction or was it just the two of you? Answer?
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  Just the two of us or Jeffrey, me and mister Trump.
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  Question my understanding, and it's been publicly reported that Jeffrey
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  was ultimately barred for mar A Lago. Is that your
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  understanding as well? Answer yes. Question do you have any
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  knowledge of the circumstances surrounding the decision? Answer? I believe
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  it was because Jeffrey had hit on another member's daughter
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  and Trump banned them from going back. Question Okay, do
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  you know if that member's daughter was under the age
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  of eighteen? Answer? I don't know. Question you also mentioned
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  during the course of your conversation with a ranking member
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  that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump had a falling out
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  involving a real estate transaction. Was mister Epstein's expulsion from
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  mar A Lago also a factor? And they're falling out
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  to your understanding? Answer? I think it was probably both. Yeah,
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  twofold kind of yeah. Question. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever talk
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  with you about that? Answer? Which part? Question is falling out? Answer? No,
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  I just knew he was annoyed and that he lost
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  the bit on the house in Palm Beach that Trump won.
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  Question by misredacted? Just really quick on that? Do you
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  recall the name of the member whose daughter he Kellen?
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  No question? Okay, I'm just going to ask a few
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  more questions on Glenne Maxwell. I know you covered some
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  of this earlier, so I'll try to skip those parts.
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  When you began working for Epstein and Maxwell, what was
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  your understanding of their relationship to each other? Answer that
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  they were dating and that she ran all of the
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  houses and stuff. Question, so when you started working there,
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  they were romantically involved? Answer yes. Question And when did
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  that romantic relationship end? Answer? Probably around two thousand and four,
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  is my guess. Question and Maxwell continued working for Epstein
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  after they ended their relationship? Answer yes. Question, What to
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  your understanding were Maxwell's duties for Epstein. I know that
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  you said earlier that she sort of like ran his life.
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  What did that entail? Answer? She hired all the staff,
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  She oversaw all the houses, the running of the houses.
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  She made a manual that would be distributed to all
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  the staff members. And so she made the manual of
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  all the duties to perform. She approved all the building
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  of all the houses. She would have to go and
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  like sign off on all the checks in the office
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  and all the payments and things like that. Question did
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  her role change after the romantic relationship ended? Answer not really,
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  not until she kind of started she mostly started distancing herself.
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  She was around basically until twenty ten. I want to say,
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  during the time he was in jail, she wasn't around
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  so much, Like she came once to visit him on
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  work release at the office, but she was still involved in,
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  like you know, still kind of reported to her. Answer yeah,
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  question at the office was at the Florida Science Foundation office.
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  Answer yes. Question And did you find out at all
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  that she continued working for him after their relationship had ended?
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  Answer no, because they were I mean, they were like
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  the closest to each other and everything, Like she knew
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  everything about him. And he had access to everything, and
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  she ran everything. Question uh huh. And he said earlier
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  that you took over for redacted, which was her assistant.
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  When you first started working for them, were you were
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  reporting directly to Glenn Maxwell? Answer yes? Question and then
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  after she separated a bit, you started reporting more directly
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  to Epstein. Answer correct. Question. How did your role differ
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  when you were reported directly to Maxwell? Answer? It didn't
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  differ a lot. She would have me doing a lot
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  of personal things for her in addition to all the
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  things that Jeffrey at the time, like picking up her
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  dry cleaning, running errands for her, helping her unpack, things
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  like that, and then with Jeffrey it was more about him.
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  And you said that when you were working for in
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  New York, you were working out of her townhouse. Is
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  that correct? Answer? Yeah, she had an office in the
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  ground floor of her house. Question okay, And could you
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  describe your routine when you were working out of that
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  office in a little bit more detail? Answer? So, I
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  would typically get there at nine in the morning and
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  go up to her office. She had an office on
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  her third or fourth floor, and she would give me
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  a list of things to work on or things to
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  go source her buy different projects and things, and I
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  would go and try and get them done. Question when
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  you were at her apartment, did you see anyone coming
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  in or out of the building or in and out
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  of her apartment? Answer? There were two doors. There was
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  the main door and then a side door. It was
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  like the staff entrance and the entrance to the office,
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  So it was kind of like separate from her main
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  personal part of the house. Questions, so you don't recall
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  seeing anyone from her personal life coming and going? Answer?
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  Not really? Question did you ever see other young women
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  coming and going? Answer? There were other other assistants that
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  worked out of the house as well. Question who were
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  those assistants? Answer? It will have their names redacted because
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  they're not a public question. And they were there were
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  assistants or were they victims? Ham? Can we go off
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  the record for a second, they come back on Kellen
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  and their names will be redacted. I'm sorry, I'm just protective.
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  Oh please save it all of a sudden, you're a
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  protective huh. Redacted. That's at the discretion of the majority,
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  but that is our request, as I noted at the
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  outset of the hour. Question and how old were they
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  at the time. Answer in the twenties, around the same age.
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  Question and did they do similar work for miss Maxwell
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  as you? Answer? Yeah, question, thank you. Just a few
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  more questions. Are you aware of whether Epstein and Maxwell
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  remained in contact after she stopped working for him? Answer
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  I'm sorry. Question did Epstein and Maxwell remain in contact
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  after she stopped working for him? Answer? I'm not sure
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  how much contact they had. The last time I remember
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  seeing her was in twenty ten. Jeffrey had a big
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  dinner at his house in New York after he got
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  out of jail for like Yam Kopor, and she was
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  present for that. Question. Okay, so it doesn't seem like
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  they spent much time together from your understanding. Answer not
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  a lot after jail. Question did you remain in contact
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  with miss Maxwell after she stopped working for Epstein? Answer? No,
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  question and you never spoke to her again? You never
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  saw her again? Answer I don't remember any specific time
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  that I did. I mean potentially an email here or there,
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  but I don't have any like specific recollection. Question and
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  this would have been like after twenty ten, you said,
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  answer right, that's the last time I remember seeing her
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  was in twenty ten at the dinner. Question Okay, and
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  when did you find out that Maxwell was arrested on
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  charges of enticement of miners and sex trafficking of children
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  in twenty twenty Answer it was either on the news
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  or my attorneys at the time told me. Question right
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  after it happened. Answer A huh. Question And what was
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  your reaction to that? Answer? Not surprised? Question Why were
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  you not surprised based on your experience? Answer? Because I
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  knew that she would introduce people to Jeffrey and I
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  knew that she abused me. I always felt that she
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  was instrumental in Jeffrey becoming who he became. I always
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  felt like she kind of turned him into the monster
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  that he became, that she just fed him and catered
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  to a whim that he wanted. Question. When you say
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  introduce people to Jeffrey, could you describe that more detail?
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  Miss Ham? You can speak about your own experiences with
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  her and things that she asked you to do for Epstein,
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  but we're not going to talk about other victims. Okay,
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  you don't want to talk about it might be helpful
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  to explain, and I know you've talked about it. I
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  know It's not my time to ask questions, but it
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  might be helpful for you to explain in how she
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  interacted with you when you first met her and why
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  that colored your perception of her actions. Kellen. I mean,
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  she would, you know, always reiterate how powerful Jeffrey was
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  and that I should listen to him and do what
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  he says because he clearly he knows best and he
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  can help me. She was part, you know, present and
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  participated in my abuse. At least on one occasion I
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  can remember, on the island, she would show me how
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  to please Jeffrey, how to massage his feet. That was
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  one one of my major tasks. I had to have
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  a bottle of lotion in my bag so I could
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  massage his feet at any given moment. From what I
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  had read about other reports online of accusations against her,
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  I was not surprised. Question okay, thank you, And last question,
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  did miss Maxwell ever reach out to you after she
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  was arrested, Miss Kellen? No, Miss Ham, can we get
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  a time check if you don't mind? Redacted? Five minutes,
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  Miss Ham, five minutes, thank you, redacted. I think this
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  would be a good time for us to end our hour.
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  Miss Ham, Okay, so we'll go off the record, all right.
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  We're gonna wrap up right here as well, and in
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  the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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