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National championship reaction and memories | Coach’s Corner with Ellis Johnson · The Auburn Undercover Podcast

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Welcome yet again everybody to Coach's
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Corner on the Auburn Undercover podcast.
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I'm your co-host Ronnie Sanders and I'm
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joined today as always by former Auburn
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defensive coordinator Ellis Johnson.
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Ellis, good to be with you.
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>> Good to be here. I didn't know if I was
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going to be able to get up this morning
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after that game last night.
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>> What were your thoughts,
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>> Rody? [snorts] We I mean this this stuff
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is really gonna sink in one day. You're
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not going to ever see this in our
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lifetime. And of course, I won't live
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long enough to see another shutout as
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old as I am, but you'll never see this
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for again in your lifetime. I mean, what
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Indiana has done and with what they did
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it with,
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>> I mean, I just think it's phenomenal. I
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I found myself pulling for them and I
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mean, I didn't care who won the game,
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frankly, but uh you just sitting there
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looking at saying, you know, they they
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got no business winning this game, but
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they they gonna win it. Uh I think uh
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some of the bad part of it was more
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about Miami not doing the things you got
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to do to win a championship. The second
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week in a row they've had bad penalties.
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Now a week ago against or not a week ago
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previous round against Old Miss they
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they had a lot of penalties. I think
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they had 10 that were enforced. They
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could have declined some of them. Could
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have had even more than that for all I
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know. There weren't as many this time
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and the yardage weren't all that bad
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when you look at the stat sheet, but
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boy, two of them were just critical. You
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know, they the one way got the face
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mask, it's third and two in and two
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miles
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>> and you get a face mask after a five
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yard gain or something like that
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>> and so it's automatic first down and
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that I think may have been the winning
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drive on that one. And there was another
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call on that same possum that same
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drive, but it was just two critical
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third down penalties just not very
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smart. And then uh you know penalties,
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the third down penalties especially and
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you know third down was just terrible.
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You know they were 0 for first half and
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got into you know got behind the chains
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and everything and then second half you
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know they got a little better but I
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finished they finished what three of 11.
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I it's it's hard to win a championship
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game when you do that. And then, of
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course, they only threw one pick, but he
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threw it at a a critical time. So, a lot
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of their bad plays were just at times
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where it was just a back breaker. Now,
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on the other hand, uh Indiana didn't
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have a turnover and they didn't have one
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in the whole playoff.
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Just think about that.
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>> I read I think I read that they hadn't
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had a playoff in I mean, I'm sorry. They
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I don't think they've had a turnover in
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15 games. I think that's what I read
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yesterday. 15 games.
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>> I think that's what he said. I think I
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don't think I think he said he hadn't
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had an interception in it was a
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quarterback. I guess I think I read he
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hadn't had an interception since since
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the first game of the season. I believe
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that's what I read.
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>> Gez, basketball.
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>> Maybe I'm wrong. Don't quote me on that,
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but I think that's I think that's what I
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read yesterday.
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>> But you look at overall statistical
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performance now. I've never seen a team
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struggle at the line of scrimmage
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constantly throughout the game and still
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win a game like that. And of course they
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had the block punt. Block punt was huge.
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>> That was I thought that was a
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difference. Well, it was a difference in
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the game.
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>> No doubt.
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>> Six-point game. I mean that you know
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people people talk about you know that
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that's a special teams plays
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momentum. Never mind never mind the
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seven points. It's just takes the air
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out of you.
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>> Oh that was a crusher. And especially
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when it brings points not just field
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position but it got points too. Uh, so
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I, you know, it was it was a really when
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you look at it, it wasn't that great of
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a football game as far as the execution
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and everything by each team, but when
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you look at what Indiana did and the way
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they win games and so forth. I mean, if
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you're a professional better, you might
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not give a crap. If you're a lady who
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only watch likes to watch halftime
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shows, you might not give a crap. If
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you're a coach [clears throat and cough]
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and you can't appreciate what Indiana's
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done with that bunch they got, you must
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be crazy. I mean, it's just something as
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a football coach when I watch them, it's
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I admire it. They're winning off of
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discipline, technique, fundamentals, and
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just smart football.
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And of course, that's what coaches
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always think they can coach. You know,
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we know we can't coach speed. We know we
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can't get the best quarterback all the
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time. you you know we don't know with
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talent we need talent more than we want
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to admit because we think we can out
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coach people and you can't and that's
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why I thought this is so impressive
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because it damn sure did out coach
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people.
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>> Yeah. I mean I you and if you look at
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it's it's amazing. I mean, the the the
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[clears throat] lack of stars on the
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roster, the uh I mean, the fact that he
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brought those he brought 10 10 I I'm
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sorry, 12 or 13 guys with him from from
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JMU, won 11 games last year and turns
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around winning a national championship
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this year to Indiana. And I you I know
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we're doing an Auburn show. Um but that
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should that this in this day and age of
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college football, people are all, you
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know, they're they're they're clutching
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pearls because, you know, Cam Coleman
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left and Duce Knight left. Well, and and
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all that's true, but you won five games
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last year. So, I mean, you know what?
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Uh, you know, it's not working. Um, so I
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think Auburn's trying to figure out a
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way to make it work. It's really, it is
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a different world in college football
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when you've got Indiana winning a
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national championship and Old Miss in
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the playoff and Florida and Auburn can't
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get out of their own damn way. I mean,
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it's just [laughter]
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>> it is it is amazing in some ways. I
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heard I think it was uh one of the
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talking heads yesterday on ESPN and he
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he said uh something about the Blue
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Bloodoods are back and on his halftime
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comments. I said, "Dude, what games have
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you been watching? The Blue Bloods are
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over there somewhere watching the TV
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>> in their dorm room or or in their
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apartment. They they ain't here. And
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even in even Miami, I mean, their days
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long gone. They back away, you know. So,
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their heydays are long gone, but uh you
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know, we still know recruiting's
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important. We know that portal's
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important. We know that talent's
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important. I mean, that's we're not
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trying to say that. But, you know, when
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you're a good football team, it's
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there's a lot of things that are more
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important than just the talent because
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when you get on that level, everybody's
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got some, you know, everybody's got some
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talent. You can't just out just get so
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far away from people in your talent
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level that you can play donkey ball and
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still win. You got to be tested. You got
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to, you know, do things the right way.
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Well, I think another thing is, you
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know, the the athletic director, Scott
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Doulson,
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I mean, to go out and and take a chance
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on Signetti, who at the time was 62
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years old, you know, you got guys, you
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got guys that that are getting jobs at
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36, 34, you know, and and go hire a guy
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who's 62 years old,
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>> and everybody else, you know, everybody,
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all these saping assistants getting
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jobs, nobody took a chance on him. Um,
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pretty pretty phenomenal. Pretty
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phenomenal. the age factor, but if you
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look at his track record, I mean, he won
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at IUP,
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>> he won at Elon, I'm pretty familiar with
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that school, and he won at JMU.
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>> And I can't remember if he was there
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when they made the move from 1A to 1A. I
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think he got there right after. I don't
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know. But, uh, a lot of people have won
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at JMU. So, I I don't think that's his
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most impressive stop, frankly. Uh, you
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know, guy just got a job out of there
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this year. So, there are a lot of guys
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that have won big there. Mickey kind of
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started it way back and they've been
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good for 30 years and and even on both
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levels, but nobody's ever done it in
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Indiana consistently.
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>> No, it's just unbelievable. And uh to do
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it where he did it and to do it with who
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he did it and to do it, you know, the
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way they do it, I it's just I can't quit
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talking about it.
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>> Well, I I agree with you. I'm looking
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up, you know, I've got signetti pulled
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up here. I mean his his track record as
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a head coach I mean he was at IUP for 1
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2 3 7 years won 7 12 9 6 9 10. Um Elon 8
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and four 6 and five and then James
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Madison won 14 7 12 8 and 11 and then
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two years in Indiana won 11 and 16. I
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mean, yeah, I can coach.
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>> Yep.
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>> I mean, you know,
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>> that's phenomenal. And another thing
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about, you know, a lot of those
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assistant coaches, he picked up a couple
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of them at Elon. One of them's been with
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him ever since IUP, I think. So, and
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they do a heck of a job. The Shadowan, I
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assumed he was grandson or something of
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Mike Shanahan or,
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>> you know, I'm not sure.
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>> He's not must not be related. I've never
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seen it mentioned anywhere on TV nor in
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articles or anything. Whenever they say
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his name, they don't mention that he's a
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nephew or grandson. So, I'm assuming
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he's not related to them.
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>> Yeah. I I I when I first saw his name, I
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thought the same thing, but I haven't
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been able to find any link. Of course,
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that doesn't mean there's not one, but I
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I don't I think there I think it's two
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different Shanahans.
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>> Yeah. Well, the portal, I think in the
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age of the portal, you're not going to
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see anything like this again. And uh I
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tell you like my I don't know if you
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heard but you know Clemson Davo has
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tried to stay away from the portal as
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much as he can and not build the program
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on it. Now the last two years he started
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taking some two or three and filling in
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some spots. This year they took more
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than they have. Okay. And there's some
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lessons to be learned about this. I
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don't think you can survive anymore
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unless you use the portal unless college
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football changes again. But I think that
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you better have a good structure in
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place and you better evaluate the people
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you get out of the portal as well as you
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try to evaluate these 17 year olds
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you're recruiting out of high school
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[clears throat] because they got a kid
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from I think either Stanford or Cal and
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uh linebacker and he was here about four
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or five days and somebody was tampering
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with him and he just took off to Old
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Miss got a bunch of money and what
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they're saying he got for a linebacker
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it was Unbelievable.
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There was millions as a linebacker. So
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anyhow, my son's on the team. I had not
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heard about it. That's how out of touch
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I am. And it happened during this past
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week. And he just left Friday right
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before the portal shut. And I asked my
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son, said, "Charl, did you know about
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that?" He said, "Yes, sir. I was I was
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eating breakfast with him the other day,
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and he was telling me that some guys
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were were uh tampering with him, and he
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seemed like it was irritating him." He
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said he was gone that night, Dad.
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[laughter]
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I said, 'Why didn't you tell me about
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it? He said, 'I don't know. I didn't I
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didn't think you care.
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>> That's that's the world we live in.
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>> But that's how bad it is, Ronnie. And
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this is a guy, you know, this was a
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program that hadn't been bringing in 35
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a year. Okay. So, you're going to get
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some bad apples. You start bringing 35 a
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year. I mean, I think they were up to
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about six or seven this year. I assume
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they're doing the homework on them, but
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it's just it's crazy. I I I you can't
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blame the kid when he's put in that
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situation.
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>> What are you going to do? Turn it down.
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>> I bet none of us would. But if they
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don't get some kind of structure on this
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thing, it's not going to last. I just
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don't see it.
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>> Well, but I saw an interview with with
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Charles Barker uh this morning, actually
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posted on our message board, and he
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said, "Look," he said, "This model is
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not sustainable." He said, "I've given a
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lot of money to Auburn." And he said,
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"I'm going to continue to give a lot of
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money to Auburn." He said, "But I'm not
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giving millions of dollars to pay
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players every year." He said, ' It's not
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a sustainable model.' He said, 'You
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know, I grew up poor and I don't have
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any interest in going back. He
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[laughter]
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So, you know, he said, I'm I'm not going
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to give money to pay players every year.
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It's just not sustainable. And he, you
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know, I think he's right.
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>> No question. I don't think there's any
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doubt. And you go you're gonna see a one
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team jump up and booster gets hot, got a
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bunch of money, wants to get out of his
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pockets and they knock it out for two or
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three years, but like it's not going to
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sustain itself. And uh I'm really
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concerned. You said we'd move into some
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of the other things about the playoff
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structure. But telling you now, the Big
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10 to me is pushing things around
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legally now the way they used to just
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money everybody back in the 60s and the
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50s and they're trying to take over
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college football again. And I I just
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believe that. And back then, the most
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wealthy entity in college sports at that
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time, believe it or not, was the damn
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Rose Bowl. And that's where all the big
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money was. And who owned it? Pack in the
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Big 10. And you know, they had it took
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them 10 years after beginning the
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playoffs to keep the Rose Bowl from
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complaining that they don't have the
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right game and all that kind of thing.
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Finally, they realize now they don't
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mean anything anymore. Just like these
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basketball coaches are starting to
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realize they're they need to just sit
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down over there and watch until they get
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their money from the football program.
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That's what happened to the ACC. They
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learned too late. You can't run it off
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of basketball.
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>> Yeah. Well, that that's a pretty good
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segue into into uh you know Big 10 SEC.
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I mean that [clears throat] they're
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still deadlocked on the playoff format.
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I mean you've got 12 now. Uh, sounds
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like both conferences want to move to
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16, but [clears throat and cough] after
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three years, the Big 10 wants to go to
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24 and drop the championship games. And
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I I don't maybe I'm wrong. I don't see
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the SEC doing unless the money is just
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so prohibitive that they feel like they
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don't have a choice. But, I mean,
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winning the SEC still means something.
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I'm not sure. I don't know how much
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maybe maybe winning the Big 10 doesn't,
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but winning the SEC means something.
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Now, I'm for having playin games. Like I
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I don't think that you ought to be
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necessarily punished for losing the
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conference championship game, but maybe
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it's a playin game. I I don't know, but
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I think you got to have other games that
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weekend where um
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you know, if you're sitting at home, you
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shouldn't you shouldn't get an off week,
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but for losing,
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I know. Well, if you look at this this
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year, and the reason I want 16 or go
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back to eight, I don't like the buy. And
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I would really kind of have to correct
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myself because coming into it when I saw
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the brackets, I thought, boy, these guys
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has got to buy. They got a huge
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advantage. Four games in a row you got
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to win to get that trophy. These college
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kids can't take that grind. But I didn't
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really look at the space in between each
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round and especially between the first
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round and the second round. There's a
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lot of time and there was a lot of time
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before the playoffs even began.
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[cough and clears throat]
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So the buy, if you go back and think
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now, Indiana's the only one that
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survived that had a buy. The rest of
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them got beat. So the buy really hadn't
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meant much to the team that has it. And
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I looked at those home games that first
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round and I tell you, man, to get a home
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game on your campus, you know, as a
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playoff game, that's a big deal with
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fans, I think. I don't like the fact
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they're trying to push out the
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championship games. I agree with you
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100% on that. You SEC was out front on
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that, as you well know. we played in the
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first one, first two and Roy Kramer, you
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know, the way he's had the vision and
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all of that and they just don't want to
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let go of it. I'm not sure it's not
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going to be sort of like this portal and
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NIL stuff. I mean, if it if it just
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keeps pushing and pushing, that's not
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going to be something they're going to
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be able to, you know, get anybody else
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to argue with them about. They're going
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to say, "Hell, we don't care. You know,
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y'all are making all the money off of
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it. We ain't getting any of it." And so,
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I don't know where it's going either.
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And I think Sanki got rolled by Patini
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on one of the things early about going
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to nine games. I wanted the SEC to play
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nine games because I just thought there
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was some meaningless games on a lot of
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their schedules
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>> and it looked like to me the weaker
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teams in the conference were the ones
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that were fighting and I thought, you
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know, if you don't want to play in the
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conference, get out. But now I'm looking
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at it and uh Pete Cordelli is on one of
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our podcast. Pete, you know, coach for
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Hulks. They won the national
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championship at Notre Dame. He's coached
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a bunch of different places with coach
16:24
Holtz and everywhere. He was saying the
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other day that if you got as many teams
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as the Big 10 has now, you need to play
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nine games.
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>> You might not ever see any of them dudes
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for five years if you don't play nine
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games.
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>> Well, doesn't have that many schools.
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They don't need to be playing nine
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games. And I thought, you know, you're
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right. They don't.
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>> Not
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you got 16 versus 20. [clears throat]
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And of those 20 in the Big 10, you've
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got five what would be considered
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premier programs. You know, uh Michigan,
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Ohio State, Penn State, USC,
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[clears throat]
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throw in Oregon if you want to. That's
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it.
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>> In the in the you've got nine.
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>> I mean, you got the traditional the
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traditional big six plus, Texas A&M, and
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Oklahoma. I mean, but playing playing
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eight in the SEC versus lining up in the
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Big 10 playing Maryland and Ruckers and
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UCLA and
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>> you know, you can get
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>> they better stand the ground on this
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playoff thing because unless there's
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something I haven't seen about the money
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on it that will make it a no-brainer,
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if they let the Big 10 push them into
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nine games as they already have and then
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they let them push them into the 20some
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in the playoffs, I just telling you now
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they're trying to take the whole thing
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back over like they did when I was a
17:42
kid. Okay, you ain't you're not that
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old. You didn't see it. I watched it as
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a kid. You know, you're at that age
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where you first kind of realize you're
17:50
into sports as a little boy and you
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watching that stuff and you and I
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remember one time going over one of my
17:56
kid friends houses, you know, both our
17:58
dads went to Clemson. We were Clemson
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fans and all that good stuff. And Mr.
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Jim sitting there watching Washington
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and Wisconsin on TV
18:07
and we I was like, "Mr. Praise, why are
18:09
you watching them?" He said, "Well,
18:10
that's the only ones on."
18:12
You know, is that where we're going
18:15
back? I don't know. But, uh, you know,
18:18
it's just I think that they need to I
18:21
don't like buys, so I hope they can get
18:24
to 16, but to get to 16, if they've got
18:27
to agree that two years later, we're
18:29
going to what? 20 what?
18:31
>> 24. 24.
18:32
>> Well, if you do that, you back into the
18:33
buys in first round either. Some kind of
18:35
play in
18:36
>> and they gonna run the damn conference
18:39
championships out and I'm not for that
18:41
either. College game is a regional game.
18:46
It's not like the NFL. There people
18:48
watch the NFL. If their teams knocked
18:50
out the first round, they'll still watch
18:53
the last rounds of the football just
18:55
because they watched pro football. It's
18:57
not that way in college.
18:59
>> No. And and look, you know, the the the
19:01
old saying in the SEC, it just means
19:03
more. And we you and I have talked about
19:05
this. Eight of the top 10 most watched
19:08
college football programs in America,
19:10
SEC,
19:11
>> right?
19:12
>> And and you look at the media markets,
19:15
you know, I mean,
19:17
Auburn, Alabama and Gainesville and and
19:19
and some of these other places are not
19:21
near are not nearly as big as, you know,
19:23
some of those Big 10 markets. And no,
19:26
>> people continue to watch. I mean, the
19:28
difference in the atmosphere. I was at
19:30
Ohio State a couple years ago and and it
19:33
was for the Indiana game when, you know,
19:36
just before Indiana the last two years,
19:38
but three years ago, I think I was up
19:40
there and and the the environment is
19:43
just not even in the same world. I mean,
19:45
go to Ohio go to Ohio State game and and
19:47
go to a game at Auburn, go to a game at
19:49
LSU or it's there just not a comparison.
19:52
It's just not even in the same world.
19:54
>> It's just a it's a whole different
19:55
approach, whole different culture. It's
19:57
a whole different I mean, they like
19:59
their football and they support it, but
20:00
they're just not as into it. You know,
20:03
it's just not a big thing to them
20:05
socially and it is in the South. But I I
20:08
don't know. I I guess to sum it up, I I
20:11
hope they can get to 16. I hope they can
20:14
have a home game, all eight top seeds
20:16
get a home game that first round and
20:19
just play it on down. I don't want to
20:21
see it get past past 16. wouldn't bother
20:24
me at all if it went back to eight, but
20:27
I don't like the buys and I don't like
20:29
20some teams getting in.
20:31
>> I'm not for 24. I I've always been for
20:33
more access. Uh I mean considering
20:36
considering the crew job Auburn's had
20:38
over the years and you know 83 and you
20:40
know 93 was probation, but 83 2004 I
20:43
mean uh you know on and on. I've always
20:46
been for expanded access. I'm not for
20:48
expanded access of 24 teams. I just
20:50
think if if you're doing that, what what
20:53
are we doing? I mean that's
20:55
>> right.
20:56
>> Yeah. I mean that's that's you know
20:57
anybody can win on a given day. You let
21:00
everybody in, somebody's going to get
21:02
beat because on that particular day they
21:04
had a really good player out and they
21:07
and they did something stupid and the
21:08
other team got lucky and now they're
21:10
gone and the other team didn't even
21:12
deserve to be there. So yeah, the
21:14
season's got to mean something. It's
21:16
like the NFL, you know, you got teams
21:19
that 500, but they win their division
21:23
>> or the conference. Yeah. Division, and
21:25
so they get to go. You got a team
21:27
sitting over there, won 10 games, they
21:29
don't even get in, you know.
21:30
>> Or or they're playing, we don't need to
21:33
be the NFL.
21:34
>> Or or you got you got a team that's
21:36
eight and eight or nine and seven, they
21:37
won a division and they're hoping
21:39
playoff game against a team that won 11
21:40
or 12.
21:41
>> Yeah. And you know, I mean, it is what
21:44
it is, but I I'm like you. I I college
21:47
football is more regional and I, you
21:50
know, and that's I'm not a big fan of
21:52
and Auburn has done it. I guess
21:54
everybody's doing it now, but you know,
21:56
Auburn's going out and like everybody
21:58
else, uh, this portal signing kids from
22:00
California and Arizona and, you know,
22:03
and I get it. It's that's that's the way
22:05
of college football. But I I just think
22:06
if you can sign kids that grew up that,
22:09
you know, they want to play for Clemson,
22:11
they want to play for Auburn, they want
22:12
to play for Alabama or LSU, I think that
22:14
ma I think that matters. I think it's I
22:17
think if you get a kid that wants to
22:18
play uh for your school versus
22:22
bringing in a hired gun from Oregon
22:26
[laughter]
22:26
or New York. Um I I think I'll take the,
22:30
you know, all things being equal, I
22:31
think I'll take the kid right down the
22:32
road here.
22:33
>> I wish we could still do it that way. I
22:35
just,
22:37
you know, when you you look at how it
22:38
all came to be, okay, you had schools
22:41
first and then they started playing the
22:44
game some and then they finally said,
22:46
you know, it' be a heck of a lot better
22:47
if we'd form a conference and we all
22:50
play each other and so we're not every
22:52
other year traveling over to Oklahoma to
22:55
find some school to play us because the
22:57
rest of the people don't. Then it then
22:58
it kind of you know it went on from
23:00
there you know they had to tell them hey
23:01
if you're going to be in this conference
23:03
you got to have these number of sports
23:06
you know and then conference becomes
23:08
really the focus then you get to go to a
23:10
bowl game if you have a good season now
23:13
here we are we're trying to be the NFL
23:15
and it's just not workable it ain't 36
23:17
teams it's 150 teams I think I don't
23:20
know about something like that some of
23:22
them are a lot bigger got a whole lot
23:24
more money than others and you and you
23:26
got to have governing bodies to keep the
23:28
damn parody in it or it's going to
23:30
destroy it. I just believe that if they
23:32
keep letting money be the factor and
23:36
right now you're going to have a hard
23:37
time convincing me that make any other
23:39
decisions based on anything other than
23:42
how much money you gonna give me.
23:44
>> Look around the kid is the kid in the
23:46
portal. How much money you gonna give
23:48
me? The kid in high school, how much
23:50
money you gonna give me? The coach is
23:52
taking the job, how much money you gonna
23:54
give me? how much how much how long my
23:57
contract then and even it goes right on
24:00
up when the ads get the phone call from
24:03
the commissioner and we want you to do
24:05
this do that how much they gonna pay us
24:08
>> how much is Disney gonna give us to do
24:10
that
24:11
>> and it's just that's what that's all
24:13
it's about anymore
24:15
>> well and you look I mean just and this
24:16
is what's what I'm about to read here I
24:18
mean Duke sues quarterback Daren Mensah
24:21
for alleged violation of NIL deal in
24:24
effort to stop him from entering
24:25
transfer portal. There's a lot more of
24:27
that coming.
24:29
>> Yeah, they ain't going to win. I mean,
24:30
but under the present circumstances, the
24:32
kid's going to win. Now, I was I was
24:35
told that whoever got him is going to
24:37
have to pay the money back to Duke that
24:40
the kid didn't earn. In other words, I
24:42
don't know what I I don't know how these
24:44
contracts are being written. Some damn
24:46
fools are signing them on the side of
24:48
the schools.
24:49
>> Yes,
24:50
>> we got some idiots doing contracts from
24:52
these collectives, I guess. I don't
24:54
know. But but you you you got to have it
24:56
paid by a period of time and and hell if
24:59
you leave it stops.
25:00
>> Yeah.
25:01
>> I mean that's just common sense. And
25:03
just like the suit that who's who suing
25:05
uh who was a kid that went out is it
25:09
somebody was suing one of the players
25:11
last year because they they gave him the
25:13
money to lump some agreement and the kid
25:16
didn't stay the whole year.
25:17
>> Yeah. I forget who it was. But no,
25:19
you're right. I mean
25:19
>> I think it's Georgia. I think Georgia.
25:21
>> It was Georgia. It was Georgia. But
25:23
these, you know, you got to have legal,
25:26
you got to have your attorneys look at
25:27
it and you gota and now you got you got
25:31
[laughter]
25:31
>> half of them got attorneys running the
25:33
collectives.
25:34
>> That's what
25:35
>> damn law schools today. I don't know. I
25:38
don't know if I'd hire them lawyers.
25:40
>> Well, you got you got quote unquote
25:41
agents that that are running around and
25:43
they're charging these kids anywhere
25:45
from 3% to 20%. and and it's just, you
25:49
know, there's there's no there's and
25:51
these guys, a lot of them have some of
25:52
them have most of them don't have law
25:53
degrees. They're just runners. And
25:56
>> well, I just saw something in the news
25:59
and I didn't read through it. I just
26:00
read the headline and bounced on down. A
26:03
lot of kids now are trying to sue their
26:06
agents because they talked them into
26:08
getting in the portal and they said,
26:09
"We've already found out where you can
26:10
get it get $2 million. We can get
26:14
$30,000 or whatever amount it is."
26:16
they're telling them and they get in the
26:18
portal and they ain't got crap and the
26:20
agent's the one that talked them into
26:22
it. So, you got all kind of stuff going
26:24
on which somebody should have known
26:27
three years ago. This is not going to
26:29
work. You can't handle a bunch of 17,
26:32
18, 19 year olds and have all these
26:34
adults and these rats hanging around.
26:37
They're going to end up cor corrupting
26:39
the whole thing.
26:41
>> Yep. And and the calendar screwed up. I
26:43
mean, you're we're killing the goose
26:45
that laid the golden egg. And I
26:46
understand that college football was
26:49
undermonetized and undervalued for years
26:51
like like, you know, the brands were
26:53
were under undervalued. And I I again, I
26:55
get all that and that's 100% right. But
26:57
now you've gone from from undervalued
27:00
and undermonetized to now everything's
27:03
hypermonetized. You've got you've got
27:06
advertisements painted on the field.
27:08
Every every it seems like every decision
27:09
is made by okay, how can we make the
27:11
most money?
27:12
>> Um They have they got to chase those
27:16
dollars.
27:17
>> Well, and now you got NIL dollars. You
27:19
know, Auburn Auburn just signed a deal
27:20
next year to to play Baylor in the in
27:22
the in Atlanta versus playing them in
27:24
Jordan Air. And a lot of it is, you
27:26
know, NIL money built in. New Nike deal,
27:28
NIL money built in. Um, it's just a
27:31
different world. Every everything that
27:33
used to be not legal is now legal.
27:37
>> Yep. And some of it needed to be
27:39
changed. But when they castrated the
27:41
NCAA
27:42
before they, you know, worked through
27:45
it. Of course, it was their fault for
27:47
delaying, delaying, delaying. But you
27:49
got no governing body now. And if you
27:52
do, and they try to rule on something,
27:54
the lawyers just go shopping one of
27:56
these progressive liberal judges and
27:58
they side with the kid.
28:00
It's a mess. It's a mess.
28:04
Wells, it's been it's been great doing
28:07
this season with you and uh appreciate
28:10
your time. It's been I know that that
28:11
everybody on the message board has has
28:13
enjoyed you all year.
28:14
>> Well, I hope so. But it's been fun and
28:17
you know I look back on this year and
28:18
like the last 5 10 minutes we've been
28:21
criticizing everything wrong college
28:22
football and I heard heard a statement
28:25
the other day it's it's foolproof or
28:28
it's something proof that it's such a
28:30
great sport environment and and
28:34
I mean it just I think they said it was
28:36
idiot proof. So all these idiots chasing
28:39
the money that are doing things they
28:41
think they're helping they about to tear
28:42
this whole dang thing down. When you
28:44
look back over this season, it's pretty
28:46
damn entertaining. It so it doesn't
28:48
matter where the kids play as long as
28:50
the kids are playing college football
28:52
and we've got the playoffs. We got this,
28:54
got that. A lot of things along with it,
28:56
but the game itself
28:58
is
28:59
>> feel pretty good.
29:00
>> Yeah, the game itself is as good as it's
29:02
ever been. Now, all the all the window
29:04
dressing that goes around it and all the
29:06
drama and the the calendar and the this
29:08
and that and the other is is is a mess.
29:10
But the on the field, it's as good as
29:13
it's ever been.
29:15
Yep.
29:16
>> Well, thanks to everybody for listening
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