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Joey Reviews Flame Con · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I never told you protection of by Heart Radio, and
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  Speaker 2: today we are so excited to once again be joined
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  Speaker 2: by a friend of the show, contributor to the show, Joey.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome, Joey.
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  Speaker 4: Hello, thanks for having me. So excited to be back
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  Speaker 4: as always.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we've got to you've got to come on. We've
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  Speaker 2: got to have you on twice in a pretty quick succession.
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  Speaker 3: That's exciting. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: And you are I hope you don't mind me saying
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  Speaker 2: I've said it before, a fellow nerd.
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  Speaker 3: What who told you that? I think you did?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're doing a lot of nerd content.
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  Speaker 3: This month. This month being August.
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  Speaker 2: I think this might come out a little bit later,
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  Speaker 2: But because this is when I go to dragon Con,
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of this annual event.
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  Speaker 3: It's huge. I plan a lot of my year around it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that says about me, but because
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  Speaker 2: of that, we have been doing a lot of content
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  Speaker 2: around fandom and conventions, and you a last time we
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  Speaker 2: were talking, said that you were going to a new convention,
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  Speaker 2: flame Con, which is specifically geared towards queer folks, right.
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  Speaker 4: It is, so first of all, totally understand the planning
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  Speaker 4: your whole year around it.
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  Speaker 3: I did get a text for my friend this morning
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  Speaker 3: that was like, we.
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  Speaker 4: Need to figure out our New York Comic con plans,
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  Speaker 4: which is in October, which is less than two months away,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm already like, oh no, I'm behind. Ah, there's
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  Speaker 4: so many things I need to do. But you know
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  Speaker 4: what that's I think that's beautiful and it's great that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyways, what I'm actually talking about today.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, this past weekend as of when we're recording this,
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  Speaker 4: so like mid August right now. I went to flame Con,
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  Speaker 4: which is this comic book convention in New York that
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  Speaker 4: is specifically, like you said, specifically kind of geared towards
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  Speaker 4: we're creators and fans. It actually has been around since
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  Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, which means this was the tenth year that
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  Speaker 4: it has been around. I didn't see anything like highlighting
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  Speaker 4: that at this, which.
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  Speaker 3: I was kind of surprised about.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't know, maybe I just missed something, but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I thought that was cool that this was like the
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  Speaker 4: tenth year this has been around, and kind of you know,
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  Speaker 4: like you Annie, I have gone to Comic On in
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  Speaker 4: New York, and I've been to the one in Chicago
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  Speaker 4: a couple of times, both of which are like fairly big.
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  Speaker 4: I'm assuming Dragon CON's probably pretty similar. They're in like
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  Speaker 4: big convention centers. There's like a lot of things happening.
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  Speaker 4: This one I like because it's a little bit smaller,
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  Speaker 4: it's a little bit more niche although I definitely did
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  Speaker 4: notice this year that there was a bigger turnout than
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  Speaker 4: I had expected. But yeah, so this was my second
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  Speaker 4: time going. I went two years ago for the first time.
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  Speaker 4: That was super fun, had a great time, so I
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  Speaker 4: was like, definitely gonna go back this year. It ended
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  Speaker 4: up landing around the same time as one of my
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  Speaker 4: friend's birthdays, so we did like a big birthday celebration
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  Speaker 4: for them.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was really fun.
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  Speaker 4: I came up when we were talking about kind of
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  Speaker 4: future episodes and I was.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I'll come in and talk about my experience at flame.
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  Speaker 4: Con because that had a fun time, and I think
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  Speaker 4: this is a cool event, and I think it should,
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  Speaker 4: you know, hopefully get a little bit more eyes on it.
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  Speaker 3: I think that would be great.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm so interested in this because I've only
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  Speaker 2: been to. I've been to like Comic Con in New York,
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  Speaker 2: dragon Con. Dragon CON's huge. I've been to a couple
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  Speaker 2: of smaller ones conventions, but I've never been to one
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  Speaker 2: that sounds quite like this, so I'm really interested in that.
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  Speaker 2: I also, I've got to ask, what did you did?
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  Speaker 2: You cosplay?
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  Speaker 3: Is it I did?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so this actually what I did. I mentioned.
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  Speaker 4: This is the second time I've gone. I went two
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  Speaker 4: years ago. When I went then, I didn't cause play.
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  Speaker 4: It was a very like last minute thing, so I
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  Speaker 4: was sort of like just gonna go and have fun.
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  Speaker 4: This time, I did caused play both days. First day,
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  Speaker 4: I was wicking from the Young Avengers or if you're
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  Speaker 4: following all the Disney Plus TV shows, also in Agatha
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  Speaker 4: all along, one of my favorite characters, and my friend
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  Speaker 4: that my friend who's birthday. It was what I was
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  Speaker 4: going with was dress as whole Lang who's his boyfriend?
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  Speaker 3: That was super fun.
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  Speaker 4: I always loved doing a couple cosplays with people that
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  Speaker 4: I'm like not dating, because it's great to see everybody
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  Speaker 4: be like you guys are so cute and just be.
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  Speaker 3: Like thanks, we're just best to us. And but that
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  Speaker 3: was super fun. I think because of that.
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  Speaker 4: Annie, I don't know if you've had like a similar experience,
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  Speaker 4: but I think like going in cosplay is definitely different
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  Speaker 4: than just kind of going in normal everyday close.
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  Speaker 3: Uh oh yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The first time I went, right, So, the first time
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  Speaker 4: I went, like two years ago, I spent a lot
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  Speaker 4: of time going to different panels and stuff. I feel
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  Speaker 4: like this time it was sort of there was a
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  Speaker 4: moment like the night before where I was talking with
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  Speaker 4: my friends I was going with when I had a
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  Speaker 4: second where I was like, wait, so we're all like
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  Speaker 4: we all just spent money to get dressed up and
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  Speaker 4: go shopping for like a couple hours and get our
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  Speaker 4: picture taken, which is nice. Yeah, I do think, especially
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  Speaker 4: like if you're going in costume, and especially if it's
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  Speaker 4: a character that's like recognizable. I would say at least
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  Speaker 4: like twenty minutes of my day total ended up just
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  Speaker 4: being stopping and taking pictures, which personally, I love attention.
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  Speaker 3: So I had so much fun with that.
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  Speaker 4: I know it's not for everybody, but I was like, great,
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  Speaker 4: it's like micronosing being a celebrity, Like, yes, it is me,
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  Speaker 4: I am him exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. So I don't know much about this convention.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, I barely know much about Dragon cun that's because
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  Speaker 5: you know it's here, and it took me a long
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  Speaker 5: time to figure it out.
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  Speaker 4: So is this like multiple day yeah as well, Yeah
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  Speaker 4: it's two days. It's a little bit shorter than they
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  Speaker 4: usually are. Again, I think it's a smaller event. It's
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  Speaker 4: definitely like much more fan led than it is like by.
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  Speaker 3: These big corporations, the corporations, but you can.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely tell, I think in the like panels that are
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  Speaker 4: up and kind of the way it's set up, it
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  Speaker 4: feels much more kind of like nd which is cool.
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  Speaker 3: I really like that.
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  Speaker 4: I think like something that really stood out that made
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  Speaker 4: this different than like New York Comic Con or Dragon
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  Speaker 4: Con is the panels.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be real. This year, I didn't end up actually going.
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  Speaker 4: To that many panels because I spent a lot of it.
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  Speaker 4: I think again it was I was going with big
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  Speaker 4: group of friends and was dressed up and all I
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  Speaker 4: got to you later. I spent a lot of time
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  Speaker 4: just like walking around and talking to artists, which I
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  Speaker 4: that's always my favorite part of these things.
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  Speaker 3: I did go to one panel.
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  Speaker 4: To be totally honest, I was not super impressed by it,
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  Speaker 4: But I'm not going to make a judgment on the
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  Speaker 4: rest of them, because again I went to just this one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure the rest were lovely.
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  Speaker 4: But a lot of the panels are when you go
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  Speaker 4: to like a newer comic con or a dragon Con
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  Speaker 4: or something, a lot of times it's panels that are
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  Speaker 4: led by, like the creators it's led by. It'll feature
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  Speaker 4: like actors or writers or people that are like in
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  Speaker 4: the thing, you know, in the industry making these things.
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  Speaker 3: They're often put on.
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  Speaker 4: By like Disney or Warner Brothers or you know other
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  Speaker 4: companies I have in my notes insert video game company.
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  Speaker 4: I don't that's a blind spot for me, Sony A
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  Speaker 4: thank you, there we go. But for this kind of thing,
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  Speaker 4: it was a lot more like like it would be
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  Speaker 4: people that are fans of the thing, that are like
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  Speaker 4: I want. There was you know, panels about like fan
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  Speaker 4: fiction and about like how you know, getting into cosplay
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  Speaker 4: and how to like start in that and start crafting things,
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  Speaker 4: which I think is really cool and fun. They're also
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  Speaker 4: obviously again this was like a queerer focused event, So
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  Speaker 4: there were some events that we're talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 4: specifically issues of like being queer and trying to break
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  Speaker 4: into different media spaces right now, especially when it's a
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  Speaker 4: little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Murky in some ways. There's a lot of things.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if people who are aware, but there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of weird things happening legislative really right now.
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  Speaker 3: Not sure if this is common knowledge.
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  Speaker 4: But uh, and that is something I think, like I
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  Speaker 4: really appreciated about this kind of event is I think
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  Speaker 4: it does kind of give the mic over to the
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  Speaker 4: fan side of things, which I think is important in
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  Speaker 4: fandom spaces.
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  Speaker 3: Like fandom is the fans.
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  Speaker 4: It is you know, obviously all of this exists because
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  Speaker 4: of these pieces of media or whatever you have it,
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  Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, it is fandom
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  Speaker 4: operates because it's people creating a lot of times these
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  Speaker 4: things like totally for free, just like out of like
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  Speaker 4: because it's something that they love that they care about.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that was very cool.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 5: Again, So you're schooling into this one because I don't
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  Speaker 5: We had a lot of controversy with Dragon Con with
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  Speaker 5: the first creator and then it being like this is
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  Speaker 5: no longer who's associated with this, This is actually a
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  Speaker 5: bigger company and we only do Dragon con am I right,
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  Speaker 5: any Like, it's not like they're connected with the other cons.
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  Speaker 1: It's Atlanta's own thing.
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  Speaker 5: Is not a big companyana, right, so just out of
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  Speaker 5: curios is this kind of like that? Like is it
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  Speaker 5: I think it's one organization or was it just like
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  Speaker 5: a group of people say, hey, we're queer, we love
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  Speaker 5: this type of stuff and we want to save spot also,
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  Speaker 5: we want to make it our own cool thing instead
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  Speaker 5: of this corporate bs like is that yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Essentially, yeah, I think it is.
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  Speaker 4: I know it was sponsored by like Kickstarter and like
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  Speaker 4: a couple other you know organizations. The thing that I
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  Speaker 4: thought was interesting though, too, is like even the sponsors.
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  Speaker 4: It was like things that are yeah again like Kickstarter,
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  Speaker 4: which a lot of times is more for you know,
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  Speaker 4: indie smaller creators. They you know, there was some like
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  Speaker 4: signings and things like that, but oftentimes it was more
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  Speaker 4: like writers and you know, smaller creators, which I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: like especially as you know, things like Comic Con and
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  Speaker 4: dragon Con and whatever like get bigger, there's less space
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  Speaker 4: for like the indie side of things.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, again, I think like I don't know a
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  Speaker 3: ton about.
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  Speaker 4: Like the organizing side of things for this, but but
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  Speaker 4: it like at least it seems to be like barely yeah,
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  Speaker 4: like grassroots.
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  Speaker 3: Coming from the fans again.
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  Speaker 4: It is cool, I think to see like this year,
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  Speaker 4: it definitely was like a bigger turnout than I had
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  Speaker 4: seen like two years ago. It'll be interesting to see,
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  Speaker 4: like if this continues, you know, maybe they're gonna end
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  Speaker 4: up moving into like a bigger space or something.
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  Speaker 3: There definitely were like a lot of people.
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  Speaker 4: There Saturday, but yeah, yeah, I it definitely is like
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  Speaker 4: a very different vibe. I think, especially if you're somebody
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  Speaker 4: who's like maybe not as I'm not gonna say there
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  Speaker 4: were it wasn't crowded because it was crowded again like Saturday.
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  Speaker 4: There definitely were like a lot of people for the space.
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  Speaker 4: But I think for some people I understand, like going
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  Speaker 4: to like a big convention center can be really overwhelming,
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  Speaker 4: and this I think was like a smaller sort of
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  Speaker 4: version of that.
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  Speaker 3: It feels a little bit more.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm the kind of person when I go
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  Speaker 4: to like New York Comic Con, I've never been a
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  Speaker 4: big like I want to go do the like celebrity
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  Speaker 4: photo shoots or like yeah there's whatever meeting greats or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: like that's not really my thing. So I think I
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  Speaker 4: really like this because it was more like you're towards
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  Speaker 4: people that are interested in like meeting creators, talking creators,
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  Speaker 4: talking about the industry, and.
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  Speaker 3: Like, as I said, I spent a lot of my
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  Speaker 3: time kind of on the like artist floor. I love that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so definitely, like the majority of the space was
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  Speaker 4: kind of in like I know, for a New York
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  Speaker 4: Comic con they.
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  Speaker 3: Call it like artist's alley.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, I don't know if it wasn't necessarily just an alley,
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  Speaker 4: it was kind of like an entire It was the
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  Speaker 4: majority of the space, which I thought was really cool.
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  Speaker 4: It's a lot of like, you know, people are so talented.
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  Speaker 4: It is so cool to see what people create. Like
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  Speaker 4: I feel like, honestly the best part for me is
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  Speaker 4: just like getting to walk around and be like, wow,
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  Speaker 4: people are so cool. There's so much cool things that
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  Speaker 4: people are making. I did it spent way too much money,
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  Speaker 4: but you know what, we're supporting small, independent queer artists,
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  Speaker 4: which uh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I one of my friends that said.
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  Speaker 4: Something after the first day where she was like, you
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  Speaker 4: know what, ninety percent of the money that I was
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  Speaker 4: about spending was just me being like, Wow, you're doing
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  Speaker 4: amazing work.
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  Speaker 3: Please keep this up.
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  Speaker 4: I want to support you, which is you know how
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  Speaker 4: I was justifying it to myself too and be like
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  Speaker 4: I definitely don't need another print to put on my wall,
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  Speaker 4: but you know why not.
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  Speaker 3: It's for a good cause. The cause is my happiness exactly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And something else that I really like about I think,
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  Speaker 4: I mean this obvious. I think this is something that
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  Speaker 4: happens at like any of these sort of like conventions
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  Speaker 4: or like nerd culture spaces, but like, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: artists too, And I think because it was like a
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  Speaker 4: smaller venue, there was more of this. But like if
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  Speaker 4: you're an artist going into this too, it's oftentimes people
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  Speaker 4: that are also like fans of these things, that are really.
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  Speaker 3: Into these things.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it like, like my favorite thing is
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  Speaker 4: just kind of going around and having conversations with people,
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  Speaker 4: Like I had some like really lovely conversations just like
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  Speaker 4: walking around, like it is just kind of a space
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  Speaker 4: for people to be able to like talk about like
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  Speaker 4: their weird, dirdy interests, and like I think especially with
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  Speaker 4: somebody who like a lot of times was kind of
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: you know, especially I think when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 4: I always was like I can't.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about this.
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  Speaker 4: I like this is weird. This is something that makes
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  Speaker 4: you like different. I don't want to like whatever. It's
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  Speaker 4: cool to be able to like actually engage with these
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  Speaker 4: things and actually be able to like talk about it
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  Speaker 4: and in obviously like such queer space, but yeah, like
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  Speaker 4: going around and like talking to artists, Like there was
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  Speaker 4: one vendor who like we had a lovely like ten
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  Speaker 4: minute conversation about like how to organize fan fiction and
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: like this was somebody who was like I used to
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  Speaker 4: be a librarian.
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  Speaker 3: I have this whole system. But I was like, wait,
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  Speaker 3: I need to take notes. This sounds so good.
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  Speaker 4: But lay at the end of it, they were like
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  Speaker 4: I was like buying a cutade from them. They were like, here,
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  Speaker 4: I'll give you another one for free, and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: that's so nice. Like people are so nice, and it
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  Speaker 4: like it really just like feels like this very like
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  Speaker 4: loving like encouraging space for people are just like yeah,
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  Speaker 4: like share things that they're passionate about.
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  Speaker 5: The question I wanted to ask is in general, when
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  Speaker 5: they make a space is being like this is queer
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  Speaker 5: specific centric and not often especially nowadays.
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  Speaker 1: And we've talked about this previously.
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  Speaker 5: This is no more of like that's just an ad
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  Speaker 5: more than an actuality. Right, So did you really feel
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  Speaker 5: like the space was a safe space, which I know
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  Speaker 5: people are like, oh, that's such a weird a safe space,
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  Speaker 5: but also inviting space for and being centered around queer people.
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  Speaker 1: Did you think that was just like I.
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  Speaker 3: Think it was.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I definitely like, I like walking into this
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: space kind of feels similar to like walking into like
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  Speaker 4: a gay bar for me, you know, like it is
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  Speaker 4: something where it is definitely like led by queer people
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  Speaker 4: wanting to make this a space for queer people as
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  Speaker 4: a P two. Okay, So on the one hand, I
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: do feel like oftentimes comic con NERD spaces end.
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  Speaker 3: Up being very queer.
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  Speaker 4: That might just be like my bias from like who
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  Speaker 4: I'm hanging out with, but like you know, usually like
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  Speaker 4: I've never had like a bad experience at like a
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  Speaker 4: New York comic con or at like C two E
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  Speaker 4: two in Chicago or something like that. A lot of
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  Speaker 4: times do I do feel like, you know, there are
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  Speaker 4: the niches for things, like you can find the specific
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  Speaker 4: like queer media that you want, But for this I
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: think it was like much more focused on where even
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  Speaker 4: like again I was cause playing within the first day,
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  Speaker 4: I had cosplayed this character a couple of years agot
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  Speaker 4: New York Comic Con, and I had like I got
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  Speaker 4: recognized like a couple of times, like I had a
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: couple people ask for Like this time, it was like
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: everybody who saw me was like yes, Wick. It's almost
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: like interesting to see which characters like people would recognize.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: There was a lot more of like ship like art
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: and like focusing on characters that were queer, which I
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: think that was cool.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: There was a lot more like you know, it is.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Interesting too because I think another thing the flip side
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: of NERD spaces a lot of times is like the
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: like very very very staunch misogyny and like hyper sexualization of.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Women, And it is kind of cool to walk around.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: And be like, wow, this time it's all just male
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: characters being dripped like drawn that way. But you know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: my one complaint is there was a lot of gay
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: fan art. There was not a lot of lesbian fan art.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: I think we need more lesbian fan art. I wish
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: I'd seen a little bit more of that. But at
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: the same time it was there, it was like it
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: felt yeah, again, I think going back to what you
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: were saying.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, it felt like a safe space.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: It felt like it genuinely was geared towards queer people
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: as opposed to just sort of like the corporate like, yes,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: we love gay people until it's no longer safe and
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: profitable for us. Uh yeah, which then brings me to
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: kind of what I was seeing a lot of this year.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: What's hot? What's in? What's hip? Uh? There was I
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: did you guys making fun of me? Just now? That
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: was not my intention, That was not my attention.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: I have definitely had Samantha ask me what's before?
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: But tell me, tell me how cool I can be?
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: So cool, the coolest Anyway, I heard text by.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Friends that I went with right before this.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: I was like, all right, like, what do you guys
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: remember like saying a lot of and by one thing
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: I had in my outline was K pop demon Hunters,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: and they all responded with demon hunters.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I knew, yes, yes, I'm correct, Yeah, I know what
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: that is. That's all I got. I'm so proud of you.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: That's I knew you would know that one.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which I thought that was really cool.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Again, I saw the movie. I think it came out
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: like what like two months ago.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I thought it was very impressive that like people were
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: able to pull together like squash plays and fan.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Arts so quickly. There was a lot of merch for
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: this thing.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: It you know, yeah, it is hot right now, it's
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: I enjoyed the movie.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: It was cool to There was a yeah, a lot
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: of very cool.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Like pins and like button or like stickers and stuff
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: like that. I saw a couple of cosplayers too, that
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: was really sick.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Obviously, always a lot of DC and Marvel at these things.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Surprise, surprise, a queer comic book event, there's a lot
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: of X men.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Who would have thought. I actually was originally supposed to
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: do X Men the second day, and then I woke
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: up that morning and I was like.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I was gonna be kiddy Pride. I think should be
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: considered a gay and trans icon, just because Elliott Page
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: plays her the movies and also the character that she
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: dates for a very long time. They ended up making
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: a gay man, so I was like, it's kind of
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: funny they accidentally did a like male male gay relationship
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: without even trying. But yeah, I woke up Sunday morning
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: and I was like, I don't want to wear a wig,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: so I showed up as super Boy ninety super Boy
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: if anybody, yeah, the gayest one of course, and uh yeah.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I was with a group of my friends that were
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: all X Men and I was like, and I'm here too,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: some couple of shout outs. One of my favorite costumes
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I saw there was a Dazzler cosplayer, so so impressed.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: She was wearing roller skates the entire time. I don't
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: know how she did it. I think my friend had
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: asked her something at one point or asked her about it.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: She was like, oh, yeah, I like perform like this,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: so it's fine, which I yeah, I have no balance,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: so yeah, shout out there if you don't know.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Dazzler is an X Men character.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: She's kind of like a pop star in the X
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Men universe, so she's like very Taylor Swift meets Kesha
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: kind of vibes.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: She's fun.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Another favorite I saw was somebody was the Winter Soldier
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: with a fully but dazzled arm.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: That was beautiful. Ten out of ten. Love it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: I'm currently attempting to make a Winter Soldier arm for October,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: so come to the right place. Yeah, okay, I definitely
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: need to ask you that because I've never like I'm
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: a I'm a seamstress. I don't really do like foam
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: or anything, so this is gonna be my first delving
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: into that. Yeah, there were a couple of Yolena and
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Bucky Coss players. Thunderbolts came out recently, you know, it
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: makes sense also both kind of going back to what
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: you were asking before, Samantha, I do think it is
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: interesting too to see like which kind of characters get
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: like like who are who are sort of just by
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: like looking out and seeing who's here, who are the
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: honorary or who are the gay icons here? Which, Yeah,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I watched Thunderbolts and I was like, everybody in this
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: movie is queer. I'm sure many people to have that takeaway.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite, one of my favorite headlines I've
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: ever read was Riders of Winter Soldier perplexed by erotic
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: takes on.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, that brings me by next point, the Stucky.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Renaissance is real, It's happening.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: There was so much a Stucky fan art when our
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Soldier came out, what like over ten years ago at
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: this point at least I got there. Was also one
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: of the artists I was talking to because they had
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: a zine like a stucky zine and I was like,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: oh my god, this is amazing.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I need this.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: And I was talking to them and I was like, yeah,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: I like watched Thunderbolts and it like reawoke like a
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: part of my brain that's been dormant for like five years.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Like I was like, I haven't Like I was like, oh,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I used to be so into this, like I love it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: And then it was like I forrit and then like Thunderbolts,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: it was like wait a minute, yes, Bucky Barnes, what
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: a guy. They were like page and the first page
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: of the scene is like a little cartoon of them
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: being like me and my friends watched Thunderbolts and I
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: was like, wait a minute, these are like we should
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: go back and watch Witter Soldier. Those are good movies,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: like the greatest gay love story of all time. Yeah,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I would love to sit down with like the like
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: creative crew behind like the Russo Brothers or whatever, like
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: who are doing the.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Winter Soldier in like Civil War movies. And she's like,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: how did you not see that? This was like where
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: this was going, Like this.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Was like peak Tumblr like queer Baiting era.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Anyways, I'm gonna have to find that article for you
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: because they have hilarious quotes in there.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: It's so funny.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: They're all like what I just saw a TikTok video
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: of a woman who was She's like, had a picture
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: of Bucky bars in like on her computer, and her
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: boss came through and he's like, wait, you're lesbian.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, obviously.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I know so many lesbians that are obsessed with Bucking Yards.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Again, Bucky Barnes is a gay icon. There's so much evidence.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: First of all, he is absolutely queer. Those movies.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I like, I can't imagine watching Winter Soldier not being like,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: so this is a love story, but.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: That he's just he's just such a Yeah, I know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I know so many lesbians that are obsessed with him too.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: There's some things.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: So anyways, we are in the middle of the Bucky
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Barnes Renaissance, the Stucky Renaissance, and I think that is beautiful.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Also, a lot of Superman.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: You know, this was another one where I was like,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I like like, yeah, actually, I think we need like
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Superman is kind of a gay icon. There's a lot
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: of particularly I think like cis gay men that I
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: think we're gravitating towards Superman as a character, which I
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: love seeing that too. On them being kind of on
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: the other side of like primarily being in like lesbian spaces.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I'm always like, what are the what.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Are the guys into, what is the.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: The what is the trend today?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: What is good?
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but there were a lot of Superman surprisingly not
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: a lot of Superbat stuff. Would have loved to see
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: a little bit more of that, but you know, it's
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: all right, It's all right. The TikTok edits have been
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: a stellar for that if anybody's spent a lot of
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: time scrolling through the David Corn Sweat Robert Pattinson super
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Bad edits on TikTok. But yeah, and so yeah, and again,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: like I said, lots of X Men, all the classics.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Something that I thought was really cool about, like the
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: costplay sides of things that I think was unique to
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: this event is there were a lot of couse players
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: that are incorporated elements of drag also into their costumes.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: My friend Hackett, who I went with, who was caused
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: blind cokling the first day alongside my weekend, they were
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: also kind of like they like made a point to
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: do sort of like drag King style make up for
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: the costume.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: The if you're not familiar, the character.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Is green, so they did a full green makeup, which
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: literally I got there and they were like still in
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: the middle of doing their makeup, and I was like,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: I'm running late, and I was like, oh, I just
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: have to put on like a body.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Suit and I'm done.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think that is something that is like
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: cool about this event specifically compared to other sort of
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: cosplay events like new or Comic Con or something, there's
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: more of the like drag element, which I think is
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: really cool, Which brings me to talking about kind of
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: the like intersections of dragon.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Cosplay, because I think this is something that.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Has gotten a little bit more It is like kind
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: of a subsect of drag that I think has gotten
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: a little bit more attention lately. And yeah, obviously, like
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I've heard at an event like this that is specifically
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: like aimed at or geared towards the queer community, there
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: were a lot of people that were like drag queens
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: as well, that were yeah, like a lot of very
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: cool like drag queen X men type cosplays, a lot
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: of other characters that looked very cool that I couldn't.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: It is fun to go around with the group and
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: like try to figure out like all of our collective knowledge,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: like who are the being? Like okay, wait, I don't
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: know what that person is, but like somebody here probably does.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I love that part. It's always so fun. Yeah.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Which brings me to talk about another event that I
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: mentioned to you guys, which was about a month ago.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: There was a DC themed drag show that I went
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: to that was in New York that is hosted by
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: a group called Oddball oddspelled a UD. It is produced
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: by the drag queen Subtley Audrey, hence the name. But
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: I they've been doing these shows for like a minute.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure exactly how long it's been around it like.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: A year or two.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: They did a really cool Star Wars themed one for
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: me the fourth that I went to, which Annie, this.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Reminds me, I need to send you some videos from that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: It was so cool I went to a drag show.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: But that's exactly kind of what I think is really
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: interesting because I feel like this sort of this specific intersection,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Like to me, cosplay and drag have always been like
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: very connected, but I think like it hasn't been given
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: as much attention as like a lot of more like
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: quote unquote traditional forms of drag. I thought it was
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: interesting that like the drag queen mcgammy, who is like
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: based in Brooklyn, she was on Falls Drag Race recently.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: She's somebody who, like I originally followed her for her
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: cosplay content, like she has done a lot with like
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: mining cosplay and drag. But yeah, if you're interested in,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: like if you're in the New York area, I definitely
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: would recommend checking out Oddball.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: They're amazing. They have some amazing performers.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: One of my favorite drag kings, Max Pleasure, was is
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: very inbund and bold, really involved with it, and he
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: did a like Clark Kent Superman one that was making
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: its rounds on the internet.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: You know, that was amazing. There was a like a
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: drag king Superman, which was amazing.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: This person also had gone viral recently for doing a
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Edward Colin themed drag show, which I am now realizing
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: I need to send a producer Christina as well.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I love this event.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: I love this show because it combines, like obviously two
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: of my favorite things are cosplay and drag but yeah,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: like for me personally, I I would say, like my
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: kind of into getting into like my own kind of drag.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I'm very early to like.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Don't ask me what my drag king name is yet,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I've changed it like three times for TVD TVD. But
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: like for me, that was kind of my method where
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: my route in was cosplay.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I you know.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Obviously, like a lot of people get into drag because
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: it is kind of a safe way to explore gender
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: expression and presentation.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: And to me, like that's kind of what cosplay was
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: early on too.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I started getting into causeway around like twenty twenty one,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: twenty two. It was still sort of like the early
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: aftermath of the pandemic. I like also had just graduated
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: and had kind of like had all of a sudden
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: all this free time, was like, I maybe you should
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: get into like copies. I always wanted to as a kid,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: So like I was using drag, like I was making
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: tiktoks online.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I was like it was like a fun.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Silly way to kind of keep partaking and like creative
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: activities around this point, Like I at that point kind
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: of knew that I wasn't cis gender, but I was
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: still sort of exploring like what that meant to me,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: and I think like for me, cosplay was a way
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: to kind of explore different versions of masculinity, different like
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: look at you know, a lot of times are gender
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: images of gender come from fiction, come from like the
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: images around us. So I was able to be like, Okay,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: what happens if I lean into this character that I
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: really have like.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Identified with whatever.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Again, I kind of I kind of at this point,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: had like known I was trans for a little bit
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: at that point, but like, I definitely like I have
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: friends that sort of were able to come out through
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: like making consplay videos and being like, actually.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: I feel way more comfortable dressing this way or presenting
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: this way.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Which it's again, I think, very similar to drag for
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: a lot of people, a lot of uh obviously not everybody,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Like plenty of sis people also do drag. But you know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: I've been going back and rewatching, going to the or
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: not rewatching. I'm watching them for the first time. I'm
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: so sorry, I'm a terrible gay, but I have been
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: watching a lot of the old like RuPaul's Drag Race
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: seasons for the first time, and it's really interesting to
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: like see how many like contestants on the show have
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: come out as trans since then, Like there have been
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: a lot that I'm like, oh, I know you because
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: you're this like trans icon now, but like it's cool
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: to see you like go through that journey. So yeah,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: I again, I think like these are two sort of
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: like art forms that have a lot in common, they
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: have a lot of overlap. I think it's really cool
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: to see like this again, like that sort of combo
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: getting a lot more mainstream attention. I think like getting
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: to be in a space that celebrates both and celebrates
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: the ways that, you know, because oftentimes I'm like either
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: doing some sort of like cosplay thing where it's like.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: More focused on that side of things.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: It's you know, I have some lovely straight friends that
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: are caused players who you know, not for me, but
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: I'm happy for them, and I'm an ally but uh,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: you know, like obviously not always like super queer spaces.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: And then on the flip side, sometimes it's like I
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: love I go to a lot of drag shows. I
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: do love drag, Like I think it is really important
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: to just like celebrate drag in general, but like it's
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: cool to also get the opportunity to be like, yeah,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: what would happen if, like Emma Frost was a drag queen.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I do have on the back burner.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: I've had a Red Hood themed dragging act that I
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: want to do at some point, I just like have
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: not had.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: The opportunity to do so.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: If anybody wants to hire me to do that, my
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: dms are open, but just saying not Anyways, Yeah, I
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: had a great weekend.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I had a great time. I think.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: You know, again, it's so cool to see like people
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: are so creative.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: There were some really.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Cool costumes that I saw, Like I probably stopped like
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: at least one hundred people.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: To be like, oh my god, I love your outfit.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: You look so good. So yeah, just felt like a
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: great space.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: And yeah, if you if this seems like the kind
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: of event that you'd be interested in, it is August
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: every year, so unfortunately you're gonna have to wait another
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: year I guess till the.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Next one, but more time to plan. Yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So for those who are new to going
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: to cons and really are excited about going to something
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: like this, how would you tell them. Let's say it's
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: the first time, because you know, I didn't go to
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: the first con until God pandemic, but it was like
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: a couple of years before the pandemic because I was
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: so anxious about all that, so I needed a pep talk.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: What would your pep talk be to prepare someone to
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: come into a con?
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: First of all, like totally understandable because like literally same I.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: It was definitely something for like forever.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: I was like, I want to have like I've always
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: wanted to go to New York Comic Con, but I
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: like never have. And then for me it ended up
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: happening like literally just because I was going to be
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: in town like that. I was still living in Chicago
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: at the time, but I was like going to be
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: in New York that week anyway, So I was like, sure,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: like some of my friends are going, might as well.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is And like.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I totally got that because I'm also somebody who I think,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: like I can be a very anxious person. I think
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: going into a new thing that you haven't done before
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: obviously very your nerve wracking. Just do it like it
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: is so fine, You're have so much fun, you know obviously,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: like know what.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Your limits are. If you're somebody that doesn't really like crowds.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: I would say try not to go on like a Saturday,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: those are usually the busiest day. But yeah, I honestly
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: think my best advice is like just go for it,
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Like just you don't have to cause play your first
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: time you go. Like again, my first time that I
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: went to this thing, I just I was wearing like.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: A T shirt and shorts.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Probably, I think like you can, yeah, like if you
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: want to just go and like see what's up, see
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: what's going on. I've for the most part, had a
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: really great time. I've like mostly had really great interaction
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: with people. Again, I think like this kind of thing
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: because it's something that it's like people are just kind
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: of passionate about and like you know, it's it's just
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: people like exploring things that they enjoy and they.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Want to talk about.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Like people who are generally pretty nice about that, pretty
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: open minded. So yeah, just do the thing, yay.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: One of the great things about a space like that,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: and even something like Dragon Con, which I think you
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: we have to get.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: You at Joe too. Yeah, when is it.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: It's Labor Day weekend, but it's a hybrid of comic
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: con and something like that. It's I think it's actually
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: much more fan driven than anything else. But they do
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: have they do have big celebrities here, but I don't
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: go to any panels.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: It's about the costumes and all that stuff.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: But anyway, one of the great things about that those
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: spaces is that people post like if you go on
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: to the dragon Con reddit right now and you're like,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I'm nervous, I've never been, people will tell you.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Here are my tips.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So people are out there for you and they'll
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: give you they'll give you pretty honest advice. And what
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I love about this too is fandom notoriously has a
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: bad record of being gatekeeping. So it's nice to see
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: that we're getting more more women and people of color
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: and queer people in space is like a huge event
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: like dragon Con, but it's also nice to know that
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: like this space is specifically yeah for us.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Exactly because I think that is like I've seen the
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: same thing where I think like especially you know, when
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: I was like growing up, it was always kind of like, oh,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: it was weird that you were like a girl that
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: was into Star Wars like that kind of thing, which
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: and again, like I was younger, so I wasn't really
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: in a lot of these like spaces, but it was
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: like online stuff or whatever.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of gatekeeping.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: I think I've definitely seen especially because like a lot
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: of this stuff has gone like more mainstream too. It
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: has gotten a lot more like friendly towards yeah, like
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: women and people of color and queer people.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it is also nice to have that space
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: where like if I start talking about stuck you, nobody's
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: gonna be like wait what.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I think again, like kind of what you
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: said with the Reddit threads, Like at the end of
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: the day, it's imprtant to remember, like everybody going to
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: this is like a nerd Like we're like, we're all dorcs,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Like we're all kind of like again, it is sort
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: of a space where people you get to just be
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: your like weirdest self, and I think, like that's the
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: beautiful thing about it is like nobody's gonna judge you.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Nobody's going to or maybe.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Maybe they will, but they're gonna keep it to themselves,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: like nobody's gonna say anything to you. It is all
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: kind of like it really does feel like a safe space,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: and I think that that I think is very nice
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: to have another just like quick note, I would say
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: is because I definitely, like before going to like NEWR
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Comic on or whatever, it was sort of like, oh no,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: I need to like figure out, like are there panels
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: that I want to go to? Like how am I
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: gonna spend my whole time the day?
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: It goes by so fast?
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Again, I literally spent like ninety percent of my time
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: just like walking around and like talking to artists and
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: like looking at stuff that people were selling and like
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: talking to like people that weren't there. You get, like, yes,
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: if you want to go to panels, if you want
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: to go to like photo shoots, do that find those things?
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Like I would recommend maybe figuring out when they're gonna
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: be ahead of time and making sure like Okay, I
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: have like ten minutes to go walk over to the
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: other side of the venue, but you don't have to,
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: like you can totally just go into one of these
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: things and not go to a single panel, Like it's
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: still fun. I've done that before and I've had a
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: great time. So yeah, yeah, I wouldn't stress about the
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: like having to plan out every moment of the day
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: and making sure I'm doing like something and making the
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: most of the money that I spent on the.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Ticket because you're gonna have fun. You're gonna have fun
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: either way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: If that's something you're interested in, then definitely plan out
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the panels. But otherwise, yeah, you're you're not gonna be
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: lacking for seeing amazing creativity that that and that's what
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I love. I just love seeing the things people come
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: up with that are so niche and so funny and
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: creative and amazing. That's that won me over. I used
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: to go to pan was all the time, and now
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe I'll go.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: To a panel. Maybe it's a panel.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Maybe there was a like x Men podcast panel one
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: of the days that I was gonna go to because
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: I was like, I should industry, this is my thing.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: And then I think I like literally and I was
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: at like they had like a Cosplayer contest that was
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: like right before it, and I was just sort of like, okay,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: I could leave this early or like this has been fun,
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: maybe I'll just stay like.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: That kind of thing.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I did a panel once.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I was on a panel, but you've been out of panels.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: It was great, it was.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Great, but I definitely was like, I've got to do
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: this thing. I would rather be watching.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's kind of nice to just be able
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: to yeah, like to be able to walk around and
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: not think about like it's like, you know when you like,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's like when you go on vacation.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: There's like two ways of doing it, and there's one
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: where you're just like, I'm just gonna like relax and
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: have fun and not do anything, and the other way
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: is the like I'm gonna make the like itinerary and
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: all the million things to do.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I have been both versions of that. I've been both people.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: But it's like, you know, sometimes it's fun to have
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: the whole itinerary and do all the things, and sometimes.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: It's fun to just walk around and see what happens, you.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah yeah mm hmmm. Trust me, you will see
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: things that you will see things.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: And watch this. But I love that.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Like honestly, Jack and Cott, I'll just be walking around
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden there's a huge conco line
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: of people from and Or and I'm like, well, we're
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: not doing this, so yep, this is my life next
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Twitter a minute.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: And it's nice.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: You never know what wonderful things you might encounter exactly
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: exactly and.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: It's always fun.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Like New Ork com around, there's always like a couple
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: of people that have like like they've clearly built this
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: like whole thing, and they're on like stilts and there's
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: like a big helmet, and I'm always like, yes, kudos
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: to you. Forget I'm like, I I've got my doc
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Martin's on.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I am on the ground. I like, oh yeah, I'm
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: with you. I'm on the side of it. I'd rather
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: just stay comfy and you know, within reason me as well,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: me as well.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: But those costumes, I'm so impressed when I see them,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: and yeah, shout out to you.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, I was like you, I love
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: to see it. I love to experience it. I will
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: not put in the effort to do that, but I
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: love seeing other people do it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, and it's also awesome, like the stories
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: you'll get out of it. Now we're just doing it
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: a you go to a condition. Yeah, but the stories
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: you'll get out of it. Because one time, I like
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: got an elevator and there was just a doalk and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: the elevator. There was no other person and the dollc
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: was moving and I was like, hello, it's just the
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: experiences the random random experiences you can have pretty great.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Thanks yeah, yeah, yes, well, thank you so much for
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: coming on and talking about this.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Obviously I could go on and on, well like.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: A whole like extra three hour debrief after this, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: we'll just yeah, yeah.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Well it's a bad time. Where can the Goods listeners
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: find you?
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to find me on the internet,
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: I am h You can find me on Instagram or Twitter,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: although I don't really interact with Twitter that much anymore,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: but you can find me at Pat not Pratt.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: That is p A TT and no T p r
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: A T T.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: I actually had a recent I had a new show
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: that I'm starting on, and that I had, I had
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: a totally different pronunciation of my last name that I've
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: never heard before.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: It was just pats. They add an extra ass to
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: the end, and I.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Was like, usually I have to tell people not to
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: say Pratt, but I haven't gotten pats before, so you know. Anyways,
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: that is my last name is Pat. It's four letters.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: It's pretty easy. It just gets Nobody can get it right.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Apparently, it's simple.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: I guess if you want to see more of my
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: cosplay stuff, you could find me on TikTok at hot.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Topic, Dad, that's hot topic.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Like the store and then just dad one word sorry
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: and advanced.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: But yeah.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: And you could also listen to a couple other shows
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: that I work on, which are There Are No Girls
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: on the Internet with Bridget Todd, a friend of the show,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: or After Lives, which.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Just wrapped up its second season about Marsha P. Johnson.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: If you are queer or interested in queer history or
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: New York City history, or just like.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Things that have happened in the past, you should go
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: ahead and listen to that.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And you can also hear Joey on a
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: couple other episodes, Oh yeah, this show, but yes, the listeners.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: If you haven't checked all of those things out, you should.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I'm very excited to talk some cosplay shop with you, Joey.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I hope you have to.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: I need to, Like I've reached the point like I
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: was like, I know, I need.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: To lock in.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I'm doing two cosplays that I know are going to
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: require a lot of like making things for them, and
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: so I was like, all right, i gotta start.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I gotta get started now.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be a back of me ro I
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: did do a little bit of like rushing the week
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: before for this one.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: But I was like, I can't do that again. It's
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: gonna be that's gonna be too much happening.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I did just also find out this group Oddball that
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: did the drag show they're doing a like Comic Co
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: New York Comic Con after party Saturday night. Shout out
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: to that there people you know are interested. I will probably,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: but I like was like, all right, I do really
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: want to go. I love this group. I level the
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: shows I put on. Am I I'm not sleeping.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: This weekend if I go to this like, I'm just
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: it's not happening.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: That is the only thing we'll see y'all might see
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: me dressed is buy from arcane, shaking from like having
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: five coffees that morning. Uh, Sunday of New York Comic Con.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Who's to say, Who's to say, hey.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Do what you gotta do? Well, I can't wait too.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: We'll have to touch back after that check in. We will,
• 46:25
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