Latest / The Late Debate / The Late Debate | 27 May
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Welcome the late base.
- 0:07Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Great to have your company.
- 0:08Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and good evening, Tanika
- 0:11Speaker 3: to Georgia.
- 0:12Speaker 4: Good evening, James and Caleb. How are we all.
- 0:15Speaker 1: Very very well?
- 0:15Speaker 2: Why are you smiling so much?
- 0:17Speaker 5: I'm always in a good mood. I'm always a very
- 0:19Speaker 5: smiley person.
- 0:20Speaker 3: You know that that is actually true. Danika is one
- 0:22Speaker 3: of the most positive people I've ever met.
- 0:25Speaker 1: Is look at you, pump and t.
- 0:29Speaker 6: Is someone someone being slipping you lollies out of the
- 0:31Speaker 6: lolly jar.
- 0:32Speaker 4: Let's see just nice to each other.
- 0:34Speaker 1: You're not, Oh, no, bag of that.
- 0:36Speaker 6: There's nothing in my contract about being nice show and
- 0:41Speaker 6: you know, say things or nothing about being nice. So
- 0:44Speaker 6: unless someone wants to pay me to be nice, bagg
- 0:46Speaker 6: of that?
- 0:46Speaker 4: He's what a what sort of a life do you lead?
- 0:49Speaker 1: Beautiful one.
- 0:50Speaker 3: On that note, let's get into the program. Here's what's
- 0:53Speaker 3: coming up tonight. Is it your human right to be
- 0:56Speaker 3: served free tap water at a restaurant? One woman believed
- 0:59Speaker 3: it was took her local eatery to court when they
- 1:02Speaker 3: insisted she needed to pay for a glass of water.
- 1:05Speaker 1: Green stuff theory.
- 1:06Speaker 3: A Western match a Western Sydney teacher has gone viral
- 1:10Speaker 3: after posting a video of himself telling students to stop
- 1:12Speaker 3: using slang. Is he the sort of bloke he'd want
- 1:15Speaker 3: teaching your kids or does he just need to lighten up?
- 1:18Speaker 3: And this fiscal restraint even a thing anymore? Unconcerned their
- 1:22Speaker 3: swimming pool project blew out by twenty nine million dollars,
- 1:25Speaker 3: the local council's decided to add a six million dollar.
- 1:28Speaker 2: Jym to the build.
- 1:29Speaker 3: We'll get all of that soon, but first, how much
- 1:32Speaker 3: do you reckon? The Brisbane City Council makes every day
- 1:35Speaker 3: in parking fines?
- 1:37Speaker 2: What do you reckon? Ten grand, forty grand, one hundred grand.
- 1:40Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it today when I read the Brisbane
- 1:42Speaker 3: City Council is raking in one hundred and forty thousand
- 1:46Speaker 3: dollars a day from parking fines. They're on track to
- 1:50Speaker 3: make fifty million dollars this financial year just from pinging
- 1:53Speaker 3: motorists who genuinely thought they had five more minutes or
- 1:56Speaker 3: misread a sign, or who believed the faded yellow line
- 1:59Speaker 3: on the side of the road meant give it a
- 2:00Speaker 3: go rather than absolutely forbidden. A council spokesman put the
- 2:04Speaker 3: massive increase in revenue down to population growth. But forty
- 2:08Speaker 3: cameras discreetly installed around the city to find errant parkers,
- 2:12Speaker 3: well that hasn't hurt either. So is this good management
- 2:16Speaker 3: enforcing parking limits to keep the city moving or is
- 2:19Speaker 3: it rank revenue raising praying on citizens that the council's
- 2:23Speaker 3: meant to be serving.
- 2:24Speaker 6: Caleb, come on, I understand that if you've broken the rules,
- 2:30Speaker 6: then yes, you probably buy rights deserve to be punished.
- 2:33Speaker 6: But seriously, setting up cameras to catch people out, you
- 2:38Speaker 6: can't tell me that that is not about revenue raising,
- 2:41Speaker 6: as you say.
- 2:42Speaker 1: Their excuse is that we put.
- 2:43Speaker 6: These in you know, bus lanes and in clear ways
- 2:47Speaker 6: and where there are yellow lines and things because.
- 2:50Speaker 1: We were going to keep the roads moving, you know.
- 2:53Speaker 6: But if it was just about keeping the roads moving,
- 2:56Speaker 6: you know, you could have let's say it's a fifty
- 2:59Speaker 6: dollar fine or maybe even one hundred dollar fine, that
- 3:02Speaker 6: just seends you the message I won't do that next time.
- 3:06Speaker 6: You know what the fine is for a yellow liner
- 3:08Speaker 6: a bus zone in Brisbane three hundred and thirty three dollars.
- 3:13Speaker 6: And if you park in a clear way, which you know,
- 3:17Speaker 6: let's just say you parked your car there at two
- 3:20Speaker 6: thirty and the clearway starts at three, and you were
- 3:24Speaker 6: five minutes late getting back to your car. Five hundred
- 3:28Speaker 6: schmackers right into the hands of the Brisbane Council because
- 3:32Speaker 6: you were parked in a clearway and there was a camera.
- 3:34Speaker 6: The cameras take photos every thirty seconds, so you would
- 3:37Speaker 6: only need to be thirty seconds past the start of
- 3:41Speaker 6: the time and bang, you'll get a five hundred dollar.
- 3:45Speaker 1: Fine for being parked in a clearway.
- 3:47Speaker 6: Interestingly, though, they had to get rid of or you know,
- 3:51Speaker 6: payback or scrub about a quarter of the fines they
- 3:55Speaker 6: handed out, so perhaps they're not operating by the rules
- 3:59Speaker 6: of themselves all the time, which is rather interesting. But
- 4:02Speaker 6: of course it's revenue raising.
- 4:04Speaker 5: Well, I was just going to mention that so one
- 4:06Speaker 5: in four people who have appealed their fines have won.
- 4:10Speaker 5: That means that twenty five percent of all of those
- 4:13Speaker 5: fines have been thrown out. Is that not more evidence
- 4:16Speaker 5: that this is revenue raising? And I love how they've
- 4:19Speaker 5: just trotted out the usual line. It was population growth,
- 4:22Speaker 5: that's why we're doing it. Yeah, okay, there might be
- 4:24Speaker 5: population growth everywhere, but if you're pinging everybody one hundred
- 4:28Speaker 5: and forty thousand dollars per day. For goodness sake, that
- 4:31Speaker 5: goes beyond population growth.
- 4:34Speaker 4: They look.
- 4:34Speaker 5: Obviously, the council has to make money and giving fines
- 4:37Speaker 5: to people, this is exactly how they do it. But
- 4:41Speaker 5: I haven't heard of a number this high before. When
- 4:45Speaker 5: it comes to fines fifty million dollars a year, the
- 4:48Speaker 5: local council says, oh no, but don't worry, we're putting
- 4:50Speaker 5: it back into you know, refurbishing the local areas onto
- 4:54Speaker 5: roads up.
- 4:55Speaker 3: I'm not so sure it's not so councils would budget
- 4:58Speaker 3: for this revenue right. I don't think they should be
- 5:01Speaker 3: allowed to budget for revenue obtained by finding citizens because
- 5:05Speaker 3: then that encourages quotas. Yes for parking rangers. The same
- 5:11Speaker 3: when it comes to speeding fines issued by state governments,
- 5:14Speaker 3: I don't think they should be allowed to budget for that.
- 5:16Speaker 6: No, no, I agree, And to be fair to Brisbane,
- 5:19Speaker 6: the number is in part so large because it's such
- 5:22Speaker 6: a big council and there's more than a billion people
- 5:24Speaker 6: live in the Brisbane City Council because it covers most
- 5:27Speaker 6: of metropolitan prisms, so the number will always naturally be
- 5:30Speaker 6: higher but I mean, this has always been the argument about,
- 5:33Speaker 6: you know, do sticker liquors have quotas? And every council
- 5:36Speaker 6: always says there's no quota for sticker liquors.
- 5:39Speaker 1: But let's be honest.
- 5:40Speaker 6: If you had a sticker liquor who went two weeks
- 5:42Speaker 6: and didn't issue a fine, do you think they'd still
- 5:45Speaker 6: have a job. I mean he could come back and say, well,
- 5:47Speaker 6: I did not see in my time any illegal parking,
- 5:50Speaker 6: and they say, oh, bull, get back out there and
- 5:53Speaker 6: go and find some people to fine, will you. So
- 5:56Speaker 6: I don't buy for a minute that it's anything other
- 5:58Speaker 6: than rever.
- 5:59Speaker 5: But I also wonder are there genuinely more rangers in
- 6:03Speaker 5: city councils, because I know even in the City of
- 6:06Speaker 5: Sydney they are.
- 6:07Speaker 4: Out there all the time in droves.
- 6:10Speaker 5: They are out there in their numbers all day every
- 6:13Speaker 5: day in the City of Sydney. So is this pertaining
- 6:16Speaker 5: mainly to city councils CBD based councils.
- 6:19Speaker 3: What do you reckon a parking inspector would earn per year?
- 6:23Speaker 3: Let's say, what do you want to say? Seventy five
- 6:25Speaker 3: eighty grand So it would be simply a mathematical equation
- 6:29Speaker 3: wouldn't it. They'd work out if we employ someone at
- 6:32Speaker 3: this wage, if he operates according to the quota, we
- 6:36Speaker 3: generate this much income. So of course you'd jack up
- 6:39Speaker 3: the number of parking inspectors if.
- 6:40Speaker 2: They're bringing in that much money.
- 6:42Speaker 3: I'll tell you I got stung in Mossmann a little
- 6:44Speaker 3: while ago, and it was a three hundred and something
- 6:46Speaker 3: dollar fine. I think I was like seven or eight
- 6:49Speaker 3: minutes beyond the parking thing. And I'll never do it again.
- 6:53Speaker 4: Well I did it.
- 6:54Speaker 5: I got last week in the city of Sydney. It
- 6:56Speaker 5: was one hundred and forty dollars, and then two days
- 6:59Speaker 5: later I got another one for one hundred and forty.
- 7:02Speaker 4: Didn't learn my lesson from a road. Yeah, you're doing
- 7:05Speaker 4: I parked clearly.
- 7:09Speaker 1: I got a parking by not driving my car. What
- 7:14Speaker 1: what did you do?
- 7:15Speaker 5: I just didn't move my car like I parked in
- 7:17Speaker 5: a two hours stayed and I overstayed my welcome.
- 7:20Speaker 2: We're both find in the same the same location.
- 7:23Speaker 1: Yeah, your fault.
- 7:26Speaker 4: It is my fault.
- 7:26Speaker 5: I'm not blaming anybody else but myself. But I'm just
- 7:29Speaker 5: saying that they're out there.
- 7:31Speaker 2: Not to make a big deal of it.
- 7:32Speaker 3: But did you get a fine via a ticket on
- 7:34Speaker 3: the window, so you were aware of them.
- 7:35Speaker 4: I did get it via the window.
- 7:37Speaker 3: I thought if it was sent to you electronically, you
- 7:39Speaker 3: might not have been aware when you got the second
- 7:41Speaker 3: fine that you incurred one. But you've actually got a
- 7:43Speaker 3: physical file. It was on the window and again I
- 7:46Speaker 3: did it again twice. That is kind of that is
- 7:49Speaker 3: my fault.
- 7:49Speaker 4: It is what it is.
- 7:51Speaker 6: There was I've actually managed to dodge them somehow a
- 7:53Speaker 6: few times in Potts Point and they've not come through
- 7:57Speaker 6: and far I've done over the two hour limit and
- 7:59Speaker 6: managed to get away with it.
- 8:00Speaker 1: So you need some of my luck.
- 8:02Speaker 2: Wow, have you ever done that?
- 8:05Speaker 3: You go back to your car and you can see
- 8:06Speaker 3: the chalk mark, so you just not vehicle forward to
- 8:10Speaker 3: hide the chalk mark.
- 8:10Speaker 6: No, not because now they take your plate because you
- 8:14Speaker 6: know the parking meters now they're all digital, and so
- 8:18Speaker 6: you've got to plug in what your plate is, yes,
- 8:21Speaker 6: and you pay on the machine and then the sticker
- 8:24Speaker 6: liquor will come along and they just monitor the plates.
- 8:26Speaker 1: They don't do the chalk thing anymore.
- 8:28Speaker 2: I don't think I do know of one place where
- 8:29Speaker 2: they do the chalk.
- 8:31Speaker 4: Well, I'll have that call your bond for nothing?
- 8:34Speaker 6: No, that's right, double seven, that's right. I know how
- 8:39Speaker 6: to get around things because you know what, I want
- 8:42Speaker 6: to save a quid and who doesn't want to save
- 8:44Speaker 6: a quid in this economy. This woman I'm about to
- 8:47Speaker 6: tell you about, certainly did. She was on holiday in Italy.
- 8:52Speaker 6: She was in the dolo mates and at the hotel
- 8:55Speaker 6: she was staying. Actually thought she'd have herself a little meal.
- 8:58Speaker 6: Why not, I mean, you're on hot holiday, I'm relaxing,
- 9:01Speaker 6: going to go have something to eat. And she thought
- 9:05Speaker 6: that with her meal there would be provision of tapwater.
- 9:09Speaker 6: But she was not familiar with the customs of Italy,
- 9:12Speaker 6: where this is apparently a rare thing. They don't serve
- 9:15Speaker 6: you tapwater with meals. If you want water with your meal,
- 9:19Speaker 6: you are expected to buy mineral water.
- 9:22Speaker 1: You can get it in three forms.
- 9:23Speaker 6: You can have it still or slightly sparkling or sparkling.
- 9:27Speaker 6: So when she said I want tapwater and they said no,
- 9:30Speaker 6: you've got to buy for a pay for a bottle
- 9:33Speaker 6: of mineral water seven euro they wanted her to pay,
- 9:36Speaker 6: which converts to eleven dollars and forty one cents in
- 9:40Speaker 6: Australian dollars, which is pretty steep. She said, way, hang
- 9:44Speaker 6: on a minute, this is a breach of my human rights.
- 9:47Speaker 6: And so she went to court in Italy to try
- 9:51Speaker 6: and argue that the provision of free tapwater is a
- 9:55Speaker 6: human right. She argued to the court that water is
- 9:59Speaker 6: a natural resis and a universal human right. And she said,
- 10:04Speaker 6: just as you would expect to get beds, you know,
- 10:07Speaker 6: sheets with your bed and a warm room and soap
- 10:10Speaker 6: when you are staying in a hotel, you also expect
- 10:14Speaker 6: to get free water when you're staying in a hotel.
- 10:17Speaker 1: Now she lost that case.
- 10:18Speaker 6: She's then appealed it all the way up to the
- 10:20Speaker 6: Supreme Court in Italy, and the Supreme Court has ruled
- 10:24Speaker 6: that restaurants and hotels are not made should not be
- 10:28Speaker 6: forced to give you free water with your meal. Which
- 10:32Speaker 6: is it's rather interesting because certainly here in Australia, if
- 10:36Speaker 6: you're a licensed venue, you are compelled as part of
- 10:39Speaker 6: responsible service of alcohol to give free water. France they
- 10:43Speaker 6: make you give free water, Spain does it, Britain does it.
- 10:48Speaker 6: So in Europe it's not uncommon either. But here's Italy
- 10:51Speaker 6: say no no, if you want water with your meal,
- 10:54Speaker 6: you've got to punt up something like eleven Australian dollars.
- 10:58Speaker 3: What I loved was she to sue the restaurant for
- 11:01Speaker 3: twenty seven hundred pounds for suffering in damages caused by
- 11:06Speaker 3: the fact she couldn't get a free drink of water.
- 11:09Speaker 2: So I reckon she was suffering heat stroke when she
- 11:11Speaker 2: took out this.
- 11:12Speaker 4: I think it was in you. I think it was
- 11:13Speaker 4: Euro's So did I say, hero are euros?
- 11:16Speaker 1: Soorry? Yeah? Yeah?
- 11:17Speaker 4: And the other thing is as well. At this hotel.
- 11:19Speaker 5: She was staying at Hotel Sassongo in the Dollarmites. It's
- 11:23Speaker 5: a five star hotel. So I actually agree with her.
- 11:26Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know why she took it all
- 11:28Speaker 5: the way to the court. She must have money to
- 11:29Speaker 5: be able to take it through the court system. The
- 11:31Speaker 5: point she wanted to prove a point look good on her.
- 11:34Speaker 5: But this is a five star hotel. I am baffled
- 11:37Speaker 5: that a guest that guests would pay so much money
- 11:40Speaker 5: to stay here already, and on top of that they
- 11:42Speaker 5: would charge for water. What an absolute raw though. You know,
- 11:45Speaker 5: if I know anything about the Italian court system and
- 11:48Speaker 5: the way that the Italians operate they are Italy first,
- 11:51Speaker 5: the tourist second, they would be going these bloody tourists seriously,
- 11:55Speaker 5: so I'm not surprised.
- 11:56Speaker 3: Don't you think these human rights arguments are ridiculous? So, like,
- 11:59Speaker 3: is water a human right? I don't see how it
- 12:01Speaker 3: can be your human right to have water?
- 12:03Speaker 4: I think I think it might be a human.
- 12:06Speaker 2: Right if you're in the middle of the desert.
- 12:07Speaker 4: Human right.
- 12:08Speaker 3: If you're in the middle of the desert, you say
- 12:09Speaker 3: it's my human right to have water, who do you blame, Well.
- 12:12Speaker 5: You can't blame it very if anyone, if you're stranded
- 12:14Speaker 5: in the middle of nowhere.
- 12:15Speaker 2: So that's my point.
- 12:16Speaker 3: Right, if your human rights depends upon someone else supplying
- 12:19Speaker 3: it to you, it can't be a human right because
- 12:21Speaker 3: in order to get your right, you've got to compel
- 12:24Speaker 3: someone else to do something. Therefore, it can't be a
- 12:26Speaker 3: human right.
- 12:27Speaker 5: I still kind of feel like, what is it? Water
- 12:30Speaker 5: and a roof over your head? Just like basic basic?
- 12:33Speaker 2: How can that be a human right?
- 12:34Speaker 4: I just feel like it.
- 12:35Speaker 5: Water is so basic you can literally walk up to
- 12:38Speaker 5: any tap.
- 12:38Speaker 3: Put a roof over your head. So if I'm homeless,
- 12:40Speaker 3: I say I have a right to housing. You must
- 12:42Speaker 3: provide it for me. I know your rights because you're
- 12:46Speaker 3: compelled to provide me with that.
- 12:47Speaker 5: No, I just I mean as in like I think
- 12:49Speaker 5: in general humankind has a right to water, food and shelter.
- 12:55Speaker 1: All right.
- 12:55Speaker 6: Putting aside the human rights thing, it's just pure profiteering.
- 12:59Speaker 6: Like if you do you have to pay eleven Australian
- 13:02Speaker 6: dollars to have some water on your table with your mealt,
- 13:06Speaker 6: that is pure profiteering. You're already paying enough money for
- 13:09Speaker 6: the meal. If you have alcohol, you know that you
- 13:13Speaker 6: are paying well above the odds, and you could go
- 13:15Speaker 6: to the bottle shop and get the same alcohol for
- 13:17Speaker 6: a quarter of the cost. But you're out, so you
- 13:19Speaker 6: accept that that that's what you pay when you go
- 13:21Speaker 6: to a restaurant. Surely the least they can do is
- 13:25Speaker 6: give you free tap water. They turn on the tap
- 13:27Speaker 6: in the hotel, as James chucked his notes off these
- 13:30Speaker 6: of his leg.
- 13:31Speaker 1: There they give you.
- 13:33Speaker 6: You turned on the tap in the hotel, the water
- 13:35Speaker 6: comes out for next to nothing. So there is no
- 13:38Speaker 6: good reason for them to not give you tap water
- 13:41Speaker 6: for free, other than the fact that they want to
- 13:43Speaker 6: force you to pay eleven dollars to get water.
- 13:46Speaker 3: Both partners are blame here. The restaurant should have provided
- 13:49Speaker 3: water and she ought not.
- 13:51Speaker 1: Have gone to the Supreme Court.
- 13:53Speaker 5: Right, he's obviously got money clearly to take it to
- 13:56Speaker 5: the court room. But if you know, the actual sap
- 14:00Speaker 5: water over in Italy is good. It's actual because it
- 14:03Speaker 5: comes down from the mountains. So if you ever go
- 14:04Speaker 5: to Italy, it's it's like fresh water.
- 14:06Speaker 4: It's cold as well, it's really nice as.
- 14:08Speaker 6: The resident Italian. Do people drink the tap water in Italy.
- 14:13Speaker 4: Yes, they do.
- 14:14Speaker 5: They do because it's cold and it's fresh and it
- 14:16Speaker 5: comes down from the mountains. If you've ever been to Rome,
- 14:18Speaker 5: they have those little taps on the side of the
- 14:20Speaker 5: road where you can fill up your your drink bottles.
- 14:22Speaker 5: They're everywhere, so you don't water. It's free water and
- 14:27Speaker 5: it's really really cold.
- 14:28Speaker 4: It's just it's nice.
- 14:29Speaker 6: So why do restaurants not give you water out of
- 14:32Speaker 6: the time.
- 14:32Speaker 4: I just think it's a tourist trap.
- 14:34Speaker 5: It is pure profiteering, as you said, and the Italians
- 14:38Speaker 5: know how to get a buck off the tourists.
- 14:41Speaker 4: They do. It's true, it's true.
- 14:43Speaker 5: So yeah, like when I go anywhere really in Europe,
- 14:46Speaker 5: I always drink tap water unless I'm feeling a bit fancy,
- 14:48Speaker 5: and what a bit of frizante?
- 14:50Speaker 4: Which is the sparkling.
- 14:51Speaker 1: Waters slightly fizzy? One?
- 14:53Speaker 4: What's that called friante?
- 14:56Speaker 1: Isn't there? What's frisante?
- 14:58Speaker 4: It's the sparkling water?
- 15:00Speaker 6: Two versions there? Well, I don't know Times of London.
- 15:05Speaker 6: There are two versions. One is slightly sparkling and one
- 15:08Speaker 6: is fully spark James is.
- 15:10Speaker 4: Looking at us like, what the hell are these two
- 15:12Speaker 4: on about?
- 15:12Speaker 6: Serious and merits of sparkling water?
- 15:14Speaker 1: Jake, here's a question for you.
- 15:16Speaker 6: Sure would you rather if you went into a restaurant
- 15:18Speaker 6: and they said still all sparkling or tap?
- 15:20Speaker 1: What do you say? Tap? Tap? Okay?
- 15:23Speaker 6: If they only offered you still all sparkling, would it
- 15:25Speaker 6: be still? Would be sparkling?
- 15:26Speaker 2: Prosecco?
- 15:28Speaker 1: That's a great answer. I agree with that one.
- 15:31Speaker 4: Now mind sparkling yours?
- 15:34Speaker 6: I don't tap if it's available, but otherwise probably sparkling.
- 15:37Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, wout us.
- 15:39Speaker 1: I wouldn't pay for still water.
- 15:41Speaker 4: Really I would? I don't I would, Yeah, I would.
- 15:44Speaker 1: No, stilwater comes into the tap for free.
- 15:47Speaker 4: Okay. James is looking at me like I've got two heads.
- 15:50Speaker 4: So I'm going to.
- 15:51Speaker 1: Move on now, not taz Many.
- 15:55Speaker 4: I'm not even going to comment.
- 15:56Speaker 6: I'm not even I love I love Tazzy is the view.
- 16:00Speaker 5: I'm You're gotta get in trouble, You'll get a viewer
- 16:04Speaker 5: email and there you go.
- 16:06Speaker 4: Okay, let's move on now.
- 16:07Speaker 5: Now we know that Ossie kids are already falling behind
- 16:10Speaker 5: in their literacy and numeracy, but now new data shows
- 16:13Speaker 5: they're also falling behind on their computer skills thanks to
- 16:17Speaker 5: the rise of AI.
- 16:20Speaker 4: This was a survey down.
- 16:21Speaker 5: It found thirty seven percent of year ten's meet computing benchmarks,
- 16:25Speaker 5: down twenty percent and year six students half of them
- 16:32Speaker 5: are meeting only half of them rather are meeting computing benchmarks.
- 16:36Speaker 5: That's the lowest figure since testing began back in two.
- 16:38Speaker 4: Thousand and five. And we'll bring up this graph now.
- 16:41Speaker 5: This shows you the state by state breakdown of where
- 16:44Speaker 5: kids are at with their computing skills. So students in
- 16:48Speaker 5: the Northern Territory, Tasmania and South Australia have the lowest
- 16:51Speaker 5: computing skills in the nation, while the ACT recorded the
- 16:55Speaker 5: highest results with sixty percent. So this is year six
- 16:58Speaker 5: students and for year ten, the NT Tasmania and Queensland
- 17:02Speaker 5: have the lowest percentage of computer capable students now. According
- 17:06Speaker 5: to this article, they are largely blaming the rise of
- 17:09Speaker 5: artificial intelligence.
- 17:11Speaker 4: My first thought was, I'm not necessarily sure, you know.
- 17:14Speaker 5: I do think that AI does have a big role
- 17:17Speaker 5: to play in computer skills going on the decline, But
- 17:21Speaker 5: I also think it's got to do with mobile phone
- 17:23Speaker 5: use in general. I can only speak for myself here.
- 17:26Speaker 5: I used to be quite a whiz when it came
- 17:27Speaker 5: to computers. I was like, you know, I knew the shortcuts,
- 17:30Speaker 5: I knew how to input things into documents. I've completely
- 17:34Speaker 5: lost all of those skills. I couldn't tell you how
- 17:36Speaker 5: to do anything now on a computer like that, simply
- 17:39Speaker 5: because I've got my phone. It's just so much more
- 17:42Speaker 5: handier to do little bits and bobs. So I think
- 17:43Speaker 5: that that is one.
- 17:45Speaker 4: Part of it. Now. AI obviously it's here.
- 17:48Speaker 5: We can't really do anything about it, and I don't
- 17:50Speaker 5: doubt that it is having an impact in the classroom.
- 17:52Speaker 5: But there was once upon a time where we had
- 17:55Speaker 5: to adapt to using computers in the classroom. We had
- 17:58Speaker 5: to adapt from using books as our number one main
- 18:01Speaker 5: source of literature to then going to Google. So in
- 18:04Speaker 5: the same way we've had to go from Google for
- 18:06Speaker 5: our number one.
- 18:07Speaker 4: Resource, we now have.
- 18:08Speaker 5: To adapt to AI. The problem, of course, is how
- 18:12Speaker 5: does that impact children? Because AI gives you the answer
- 18:15Speaker 5: instantly without you having to do any research really whatsoever.
- 18:19Speaker 5: You plug it in and it gives you everything that
- 18:21Speaker 5: you want to know. I do understand that that is
- 18:24Speaker 5: a concern, but we do have to go with the times,
- 18:26Speaker 5: and I think that AI can be used very very
- 18:29Speaker 5: well in conjunction in a classroom.
- 18:31Speaker 3: Isn't AI just computer skills on steroids?
- 18:34Speaker 2: I don't see the big problem here.
- 18:36Speaker 5: Well, I think when they say computer skills, as I said,
- 18:38Speaker 5: it's the shortcuts, knowing how to format a document. You're
- 18:41Speaker 5: learning how to use Excel for example, PowerPoint presentations, little commands.
- 18:45Speaker 3: But if you've got AI that is doing all of that,
- 18:47Speaker 3: then all of that has now become redundant, has it not?
- 18:51Speaker 5: It has no Well, look, I think that there was
- 18:54Speaker 5: once upon a time. I think it was great to
- 18:56Speaker 5: know how to use these little skills on the computer.
- 18:58Speaker 5: I think it could provide value into the workforce, especially
- 19:02Speaker 5: if your job demands it, if you're going into it
- 19:04Speaker 5: or other technical realms.
- 19:07Speaker 4: So I'm not really sure if it's that.
- 19:09Speaker 5: Important for a child to know how to do it,
- 19:11Speaker 5: but I do think mobile phones have played a big
- 19:13Speaker 5: part of that.
- 19:13Speaker 3: It kind of strikes me as complaining that the calculator
- 19:16Speaker 3: has made the abicus redundant. They do the same function,
- 19:20Speaker 3: one just does it a lot.
- 19:21Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, I'll take that argument and say, I'm sure
- 19:26Speaker 6: the calculator made the abicus redundant. But the issue is
- 19:31Speaker 6: that if you use the calculator without understanding the four
- 19:34Speaker 6: millas that the calculates calculator uses to get to that point,
- 19:38Speaker 6: then you actually don't understand what you're playing with. And
- 19:41Speaker 6: so the issue that AI is creating is that it's
- 19:44Speaker 6: making people fundamentally lazy. Now, yes, you can get AI
- 19:48Speaker 6: to do things on a computer that you would otherwise
- 19:50Speaker 6: had to have worked out how to do yourself, and
- 19:53Speaker 6: you go, oh, well, that's fine because the computer can
- 19:55Speaker 6: now do the job. But if you don't understand the
- 19:58Speaker 6: mechanics of what is going on, you don't actually get
- 20:01Speaker 6: any smarter.
- 20:02Speaker 1: So we just keep inventing.
- 20:04Speaker 6: Ways to make our brains less useful.
- 20:09Speaker 1: And I don't think that's a good thing.
- 20:10Speaker 6: I mean, it's all good and well, when we know
- 20:12Speaker 6: how to use the AI systems. But I mean, if
- 20:15Speaker 6: we get to the point where we've simplified everything so
- 20:18Speaker 6: much that we forget how to even use those, then
- 20:21Speaker 6: we're really stuffed as a species. We just keep coming
- 20:23Speaker 6: up with ways to take any complication or any skill
- 20:27Speaker 6: out of life and hand that over to a robot
- 20:30Speaker 6: or a machine or so.
- 20:31Speaker 1: I think that's bad for humanity.
- 20:33Speaker 5: But the thing is we already handed it over to
- 20:34Speaker 5: a machine many years ago when the Internet first started,
- 20:37Speaker 5: when you were in primary school, for example, Caleb, and
- 20:40Speaker 5: the Internet first came and everyone was using the Internet.
- 20:43Speaker 4: Wow, this search engine.
- 20:45Speaker 5: That's how we started to get our information. And now
- 20:47Speaker 5: I think we have to adapt to the fact that
- 20:49Speaker 5: AI is being used as that new tool to get information.
- 20:52Speaker 5: And I don't think that we can stop it, just
- 20:54Speaker 5: like we weren't able to stop the Internet, and we
- 20:56Speaker 5: weren't able to stop Google search engine.
- 20:58Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 20:58Speaker 1: I know, but then you had to your own research.
- 21:01Speaker 6: You know, you could look up a question and it
- 21:02Speaker 6: might give you one hundred different sources, and then you
- 21:05Speaker 6: had to sort of read and work out and come
- 21:07Speaker 6: to your own conclusions and compare and contrast sources and whatever.
- 21:11Speaker 1: I mean.
- 21:12Speaker 6: Now someone goes to some AI chatbot and says, tell me,
- 21:14Speaker 6: did da da da da da da da, And so
- 21:16Speaker 6: it's meant to do all this referencing and whatever for you.
- 21:19Speaker 6: You don't actually do the mechanics anymore.
- 21:22Speaker 1: And I think that's a bad thing. It's funny to
- 21:24Speaker 1: understand the mechanics.
- 21:25Speaker 2: If you go back a.
- 21:26Speaker 3: Time, schools that were introducing computing became really popular. We
- 21:29Speaker 3: want to enroll our kids in a school where they're
- 21:32Speaker 3: using computers. And then after a little bit of time,
- 21:35Speaker 3: the tide turned and then parents wanted to enroll their
- 21:37Speaker 3: kids in a school where they were not using computers
- 21:40Speaker 3: until later in their education journey, so they got those
- 21:43Speaker 3: fundamental skills first. I wonder if we'll see something similar
- 21:46Speaker 3: now with AI, where schools that are promising not to
- 21:49Speaker 3: introduce AI until later in your you know, scholastic journey
- 21:53Speaker 3: will become popular with parents because they recognize the problem
- 21:57Speaker 3: and they want those fundamentals taught first. I don't know
- 22:00Speaker 3: if AI has got anything to do with the way
- 22:02Speaker 3: our kids are communicating these days, but I got to
- 22:05Speaker 3: hand it to a teacher in Western Sydney who's.
- 22:08Speaker 2: Given it to his students.
- 22:10Speaker 3: After overhearing them talk in the playground, he became particularly
- 22:14Speaker 3: concerned with their slang, using words like bro and cuz
- 22:19Speaker 3: to address each other.
- 22:20Speaker 2: Have a listen to this guy.
- 22:23Speaker 7: This is really really important because I've heard how someone
- 22:25Speaker 7: you speak on the playground and it's concerning. Never ever
- 22:29Speaker 7: I use the word bro or cuss. I don't want
- 22:32Speaker 7: to hear it. No bro, no cuss. The word use
- 22:37Speaker 7: is a verd use us not news. Are too loud.
- 22:43Speaker 7: You are too loud, even if you're speaking to more
- 22:45Speaker 7: than one person.
- 22:47Speaker 3: I love this guy, and I would be thrilled if
- 22:50Speaker 3: my bros I e.
- 22:52Speaker 2: Joe and Ben were in his.
- 22:54Speaker 3: Class, because they talk about they call each other bro
- 22:58Speaker 3: all the time. In fact, I walked on an argument
- 23:01Speaker 3: my sons were having just the other day and I
- 23:03Speaker 3: reckon the word bro was used about twenty times back
- 23:07Speaker 3: and forwards five minutes with that guy.
- 23:09Speaker 6: Fix them, okay, But they may have an excuse because
- 23:12Speaker 6: they are literally each other's bros.
- 23:14Speaker 1: Because they are each other's brothers.
- 23:16Speaker 6: So look, they might get a leave pass of baby.
- 23:20Speaker 6: But to this guy, I just say, glory, glory, hallelulia
- 23:24Speaker 6: someone's actually said it. I mean the kids, these days.
- 23:28Speaker 6: They obviously they're saying it at school. I know children
- 23:32Speaker 6: who call it parents bro, no, yes, and the parents go,
- 23:36Speaker 6: you can't say that, and it's obviously they're just spending
- 23:40Speaker 6: all their time at school calling each other bro and
- 23:43Speaker 6: cars and all this crap. And so they come home
- 23:45Speaker 6: and they start doing it at home as well.
- 23:47Speaker 1: The other one is bra, which is Brah, yeah bro,
- 23:51Speaker 1: but it's.
- 23:51Speaker 6: Like brah, you know, brah doing this one all the time.
- 23:55Speaker 2: And you're couzy, bro, have you heard that one? I
- 23:57Speaker 2: haven't heard combine them?
- 23:59Speaker 1: What is that? And you see to his family? Is
- 24:00Speaker 1: it if you're.
- 24:01Speaker 6: A but use now this has been a bugbear of
- 24:06Speaker 6: mine for a long time because it's that we're not
- 24:10Speaker 6: talking about sheep here all right? Use you're not how
- 24:14Speaker 6: I used today? Well, I don't know, going to have
- 24:16Speaker 6: a look on the bloody paddic.
- 24:18Speaker 1: How the us are? You know? It's you? You is
- 24:22Speaker 1: the word.
- 24:22Speaker 6: It annoys the absolute living day lights out of me.
- 24:25Speaker 1: And there is a.
- 24:27Speaker 6: Tendency that this bloke has broken, thank God, to sort
- 24:31Speaker 6: of go, oh, well, you know, that's just how some
- 24:33Speaker 6: people speak, and then we won't offend them.
- 24:35Speaker 1: And I'm sorry.
- 24:36Speaker 6: The language is the language, and you can argue all
- 24:39Speaker 6: you want that language is alive and changing all the.
- 24:41Speaker 1: Time, which is true, but not to that extent.
- 24:45Speaker 6: I went to school with a girl who used to
- 24:47Speaker 6: say arks. She would mispronounce ask, and I pointed it
- 24:51Speaker 6: out to her one day, Well, you know, and you
- 24:54Speaker 6: can call me a prick. But she said, no one's
- 24:57Speaker 6: ever told me that, And I said, well, you do
- 24:59Speaker 6: you say because she never asked?
- 25:02Speaker 1: But she said to me, can.
- 25:03Speaker 6: You tell me every time I say it? And I
- 25:05Speaker 6: did for a year, and by the end of that
- 25:06Speaker 6: year she was saying ask. So if you actually work
- 25:09Speaker 6: with someone, you can fix that.
- 25:11Speaker 5: The other word I don't like is dude. Do you
- 25:14Speaker 5: say to your call your mates dude?
- 25:16Speaker 6: No, I don't call my mate's dude. I probably use
- 25:18Speaker 6: it in an ironic sense. You know, he was a
- 25:20Speaker 6: strange dude.
- 25:21Speaker 4: I have to say.
- 25:22Speaker 5: Some of my girlfriends and I we we say bro sometimes.
- 25:26Speaker 5: But if you're referring to somebody, it's like, it's like,
- 25:30Speaker 5: what is bro on about?
- 25:31Speaker 2: Bro?
- 25:32Speaker 1: Come on?
- 25:33Speaker 4: Yeah?
- 25:33Speaker 3: Are you referring to a man that you're talking about
- 25:36Speaker 3: or referring to each other as bro?
- 25:37Speaker 5: No, we're referring to a man that we're talking about.
- 25:39Speaker 5: It's like, bro, what do you want about? So I
- 25:42Speaker 5: think in that sense, it's like it's nice.
- 25:45Speaker 1: It's conically online is the problem. Like this is online language.
- 25:48Speaker 4: It's still a lime language.
- 25:50Speaker 1: So give me.
- 25:52Speaker 5: This is my friends and I will talk to each other.
- 25:55Speaker 5: But it's endearing. It's not it's not meant to slang.
- 25:58Speaker 5: It's like, bro, what's bro on about?
- 26:00Speaker 1: Now?
- 26:00Speaker 3: If I'm going through a Maca's drive through and you're
- 26:03Speaker 3: served by a fourteen year old and they call you mate,
- 26:06Speaker 3: I hate that.
- 26:07Speaker 4: I don't like that either. I don't like that.
- 26:09Speaker 2: I don't know whether I should be upset by that.
- 26:10Speaker 4: No, I don't like that.
- 26:11Speaker 2: I think I'm not your mate.
- 26:13Speaker 4: And as a woman, I don't like being called.
- 26:15Speaker 1: Mate odd for women.
- 26:17Speaker 4: I don't like that.
- 26:18Speaker 1: It's a heavily used.
- 26:20Speaker 6: Word in my vernacular when I forget names, but you
- 26:22Speaker 6: can't use it vernacular. I can't use it for women.
- 26:24Speaker 2: That school teacher's video has gone viral.
- 26:27Speaker 3: At last check, it had almost seven hundred thousand views,
- 26:31Speaker 3: So he's certainly struck a nerve.
- 26:33Speaker 1: That's right. I hope all of us at home we know. No.
- 26:38Speaker 6: No, I wash my mouth that with soap for saying that.
- 26:41Speaker 1: One.
- 26:42Speaker 6: Meanwhile, over in the trade sector now, because we were
- 26:45Speaker 6: told in the federal budget that you know, we've got
- 26:47Speaker 6: to supercharge the homes, right, and the federal government has
- 26:51Speaker 6: this goal one point two million homes that need to
- 26:53Speaker 6: be built. So we're going to get rid of negative
- 26:55Speaker 6: gearing on existing homes so that investors will go and
- 26:58Speaker 6: buy brand new one.
- 26:59Speaker 1: So that we build up the supply.
- 27:03Speaker 6: Which is all good and well, except the industry is saying, well,
- 27:07Speaker 6: that's what's happening. In fact, it is going backwards.
- 27:10Speaker 7: Now.
- 27:11Speaker 6: Two new reports that were reported on today in the
- 27:15Speaker 6: Courier Mail. One is from the Institute of Automotive Mechanical Engineers,
- 27:21Speaker 6: and according to the Courier Mail, their new survey data
- 27:25Speaker 6: shows ninety three percent of trade businesses are under moderate
- 27:29Speaker 6: to very high financial pressure, with nearly three quarters reporting
- 27:33Speaker 6: worsening conditions over the past year, and more than one
- 27:37Speaker 6: in three businesses may reduce staff or apprentices if current
- 27:42Speaker 6: conditions persist. I mean, that's going to do great things
- 27:46Speaker 6: to bolster the construction of homes in this country, isn't it?
- 27:49Speaker 6: Such great conditions the federal government are providing for the
- 27:53Speaker 6: construction sector, and the article goes on to quote a
- 27:57Speaker 6: woman from a CEDAR, which is the Committee for Economic
- 28:01Speaker 6: Development of Australia, Danika Adams or Danica Adams it might be,
- 28:06Speaker 6: but the article says that she said dwellings built per
- 28:10Speaker 6: construction worker in Australia had fallen forty percent since the
- 28:15Speaker 6: nineteen seventies, build times for up forty percent since the pandemic,
- 28:21Speaker 6: and construction costs had surged eighty eight percent since twenty
- 28:26Speaker 6: fourteen fifteen. And we're meant to believe that fiddling with
- 28:30Speaker 6: negative gearing and the capital gains tax is going to
- 28:34Speaker 6: increase the supply of housing in this country. We have
- 28:38Speaker 6: much deeper problems than that.
- 28:40Speaker 4: We absolutely do.
- 28:41Speaker 5: Labor has not achieved not one of its housing targets.
- 28:44Speaker 5: As it is, it was meant to have built one
- 28:45Speaker 5: point two million homes by the end of this decade.
- 28:48Speaker 5: The Master Builders Association has long warned they will not
- 28:51Speaker 5: achieve that figure. Based on the current construction levels, it
- 28:54Speaker 5: will blow out well into the twenty thirties, and the
- 28:57Speaker 5: federal budget Jim Chalmer's own budget also said that there
- 29:01Speaker 5: will be around thirty five thousand homes short over the
- 29:04Speaker 5: next decade. Thanks to these changes through negative gearing and
- 29:08Speaker 5: CGT tax and look, the construction sector has long worn
- 29:12Speaker 5: to meet demand. The industry needs one hundred and sixteen
- 29:16Speaker 5: thousand workers more and five hundred and twenty thousand overall
- 29:21Speaker 5: to meet housing and infrastructure demands. It is impossible in
- 29:25Speaker 5: this economic climate. They can't find workers. Costs are way
- 29:29Speaker 5: too high. At the moment, we cannot get every day
- 29:31Speaker 5: Ossie's into housing. Yet labour keeps the welcome very firmly
- 29:35Speaker 5: open for migrants and it is an absolute disaster in
- 29:39Speaker 5: the housing and construction industy.
- 29:40Speaker 3: Like I said, you've got labor costs, you've got fuel costs,
- 29:43Speaker 3: which then impacts material costs. Remember we did a story
- 29:46Speaker 3: the other night about making a coffee in Melbourne. You
- 29:49Speaker 3: need thirty seven licenses, oh to make a.
- 29:51Speaker 2: Cup of coffee.
- 29:53Speaker 3: If that's what it takes to make a flat white
- 29:54Speaker 3: in this country, you can't imagine the regulation and red
- 29:57Speaker 3: tape and green tape that's associated with construction. So at
- 30:02Speaker 3: every point our building industry gets hit. Are we really
- 30:05Speaker 3: surprised that we're not making the numbers?
- 30:08Speaker 6: And can I also say dwellings built per construction worker
- 30:11Speaker 6: falling forty percent since the nineteen seventies, and I reckon
- 30:16Speaker 6: the quality would have fallen about forty percent at least
- 30:19Speaker 6: since the nineteen seventies.
- 30:21Speaker 1: Well, so we're building them much.
- 30:22Speaker 6: Faster bank then, absolutely, but to much better Standard's amazing.
- 30:26Speaker 5: Yeah, it's actually a crisis. We're in a real crisis
- 30:30Speaker 5: when it comes to construction and housing in this country. Well,
- 30:33Speaker 5: there is a one hundred year old self help book
- 30:37Speaker 5: that has become a best seller with men, and I'm
- 30:40Speaker 5: talking the alpha males and the so called Jim bros.
- 30:45Speaker 4: Woa wow, ro bro.
- 30:47Speaker 5: There goes that name again and it has people asking why.
- 30:50Speaker 4: Now this is the book.
- 30:51Speaker 5: It's called As a Man Thinketh by English author James Allen.
- 30:56Speaker 5: It was first published back in nineteen oh three. There
- 30:58Speaker 5: it has been published many many times over and as
- 31:01Speaker 5: of this week, it's been downloaded about two hundred times
- 31:04Speaker 5: a day on the internet, over seventy thousand times a year,
- 31:08Speaker 5: and is even embedded on the good Reads website charts. Now,
- 31:11Speaker 5: this book is about the power of positive thinking, how
- 31:14Speaker 5: you can use your mind to achieve anything you want,
- 31:17Speaker 5: and the power of manifestation, and it has become really
- 31:20Speaker 5: popular with men. I'll tell you take you through some
- 31:23Speaker 5: of the quotes in this the book. It says every
- 31:26Speaker 5: thought seed sown or allowed to fall into the mind
- 31:29Speaker 5: and to take root there produces its own blossoming sooner
- 31:33Speaker 5: or later into act and bearing its own fruitage of
- 31:36Speaker 5: opportunity and circumstances. Good thoughts bear good fruit, Bad thoughts
- 31:40Speaker 5: bad fruit. I totally agree with that. It also says
- 31:43Speaker 5: a man's mind may be likened to a garden, which
- 31:46Speaker 5: may be intellect intelligently cultivated or allowed to run wild,
- 31:51Speaker 5: but whether cultivated or neglected, it must and will bring forth.
- 31:55Speaker 5: If no useful seeds are put into it, then an
- 31:58Speaker 5: abundance of useless weed seed will fall. They're in and
- 32:02Speaker 5: will continue to produce their kind. Very poetic, very poetic.
- 32:05Speaker 5: But basically, let me summarize that if you think good thoughts,
- 32:10Speaker 5: good things will happen to you. If you think bad thoughts,
- 32:13Speaker 5: bad things will happen to you. And there has been
- 32:15Speaker 5: a huge uptick in men running to read this now.
- 32:19Speaker 4: I think that's fantastic. I think that anybody doesn't matter.
- 32:22Speaker 5: If you're a man or a woman who wants to
- 32:24Speaker 5: try and help themselves out by reading self help, how
- 32:27Speaker 5: they can broaden their own mind, learn new things, learn
- 32:29Speaker 5: new concepts. I think it's absolutely fantastic and I totally
- 32:33Speaker 5: agree with these principles that if you do think positive thoughts,
- 32:38Speaker 5: that good things will happen to into your life. And
- 32:40Speaker 5: there's nothing that irks me more than people out there
- 32:42Speaker 5: here go, oh, I hate my life. My life is
- 32:45Speaker 5: so bad, bad things, bad things, bad things, and bad
- 32:48Speaker 5: things keep happening to them, and they wonder why.
- 32:51Speaker 4: I think the power of the mind, and I'm.
- 32:52Speaker 5: Not going to get a woo woo on National TV
- 32:55Speaker 5: is stronger than what we all think.
- 32:57Speaker 2: Just on the woo woo bit. Can I just guess
- 32:59Speaker 2: that for a second?
- 33:00Speaker 4: Go on, when was this book written nineteen oh three?
- 33:03Speaker 2: Except that what's it called? As a man thinketh.
- 33:06Speaker 4: As a man, as a man thinks.
- 33:08Speaker 2: You know where that comes from, don't you know?
- 33:09Speaker 3: King Solomon wrote that a thousand years before Jesus was born.
- 33:13Speaker 3: It's Proverbs twenty three, verse seven. I'm sorry, guys taken.
- 33:18Speaker 3: And then he's developed a whole book on it.
- 33:20Speaker 2: But anyone who goes to church on us and then.
- 33:22Speaker 3: This is old stuff, but it's true. Whatever you think
- 33:25Speaker 3: on that becomes your reality. If you think negative things
- 33:28Speaker 3: you end up surrounding yourself with negativity. Positive thoughts produces
- 33:31Speaker 3: a positive environment.
- 33:33Speaker 2: But it's not we words, it's.
- 33:35Speaker 4: Why do you think?
- 33:36Speaker 5: More and more men so they're saying the Jim Bros
- 33:39Speaker 5: and the alpha males are turning to self help books.
- 33:42Speaker 5: And I don't know if it's a societal shift. I
- 33:44Speaker 5: don't know if it is the influence of women on men,
- 33:46Speaker 5: because I know a lot of women are into I
- 33:48Speaker 5: know a lot of I would argue a lot more
- 33:50Speaker 5: women are into manifestations than what setting the goal. Manifestation
- 33:57Speaker 5: is visualizing the life that you want.
- 34:00Speaker 4: And manifestation is real. It is real.
- 34:02Speaker 2: If you know, athletes do it.
- 34:05Speaker 4: Sport athletes do it. They imagine themselves Formula one driver.
- 34:08Speaker 6: Okay, okay, But if Valderie Botas wakes up tomorrow and
- 34:12Speaker 6: visualizes that he's going to win the Grand Prix, it
- 34:14Speaker 6: doesn't mean he's going to win the Grand Prix.
- 34:16Speaker 3: No, But if his visualizers crashing every five seconds, he's
- 34:20Speaker 3: probably got a pretty good chance of hitting the wall.
- 34:22Speaker 6: Well, if you become fixated on crashing a car, then
- 34:25Speaker 6: maybe you'll do it. But it's like just because you believe,
- 34:29Speaker 6: it's like this stuff people reckon that they imagine that
- 34:31Speaker 6: there'll be a car park next to the door when
- 34:33Speaker 6: they go to the shopping center.
- 34:34Speaker 1: Oh, there's a car that you cannot control that stuff.
- 34:37Speaker 4: With your It's called lucky girl syndrome.
- 34:40Speaker 3: Anika finds the car park every time, she just overstays
- 34:42Speaker 3: and gets that's lucky girl.
- 34:46Speaker 1: I'm sorry. This stuff is in no way revelatory. I
- 34:49Speaker 1: mean it's not.
- 34:50Speaker 2: It's the point.
- 34:51Speaker 6: If you have think negative thoughts all the time, you'll
- 34:53Speaker 6: live in negative life. Well yeah, I mean no, you
- 34:56Speaker 6: know what, Sherlock. Do you need to read a book
- 35:00Speaker 6: to find that out?
- 35:00Speaker 4: Caleb?
- 35:01Speaker 5: If men want to help themselves and this is the
- 35:03Speaker 5: way that they're doing a good on them, wouldn't you
- 35:05Speaker 5: prefer to have a conversation with a man with intellectual
- 35:07Speaker 5: ability who's going I am going to reflect on myself
- 35:10Speaker 5: as opposed to having too many brains in his biceps.
- 35:14Speaker 4: I'm serious.
- 35:15Speaker 1: You said it with the Jim Jim bros.
- 35:17Speaker 4: Is what I'm saying.
- 35:18Speaker 5: Too many brains in the biceps. Wouldn't you rather be
- 35:21Speaker 5: able to read and try and learn? I don't understand
- 35:23Speaker 5: expand the mind.
- 35:24Speaker 1: Oh look, if you need a book to tell you that.
- 35:26Speaker 6: You know, if you think negatively all the time, you're
- 35:28Speaker 6: going to live negatively. I think you've a reality check.
- 35:32Speaker 6: You're beyond proper help and bit a reality check.
- 35:35Speaker 2: All Right, we're going to go to a break.
- 35:36Speaker 3: When we come back, we look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
- 35:39Speaker 3: including a new report showing that if war broke out tomorrow,
- 35:42Speaker 3: we wouldn't have the fuel, the bullets or the soldiers
- 35:46Speaker 3: to be able to defend ourselves.
- 35:47Speaker 2: That and more.
- 35:48Speaker 3: When we look at the papers after this, Okay, we
- 35:58Speaker 3: haven't quite got all the papers tonight because of course
- 36:01Speaker 3: the Courier Mail and the Daily Telegraph still putting their
- 36:03Speaker 3: front pages together after the State of Origin that has
- 36:06Speaker 3: just finished with the Blues winning twenty two to twenty
- 36:11Speaker 3: after staging a pretty significant comeback at the game played
- 36:15Speaker 3: in Sydney. James Tedesco leveled the scores with a try
- 36:18Speaker 3: in the closing minutes, rain pouring down while Nathan Cleary
- 36:21Speaker 3: converted to seal the two point victory, and Queensland controversially
- 36:27Speaker 3: finished the game with just twelve players after having a
- 36:29Speaker 3: man sent off. So no doubt the papers will deal
- 36:32Speaker 3: with that controversy.
- 36:33Speaker 2: But there you go.
- 36:33Speaker 3: New South Wales leading one nill in the best of
- 36:37Speaker 3: three series.
- 36:38Speaker 1: What a game? Bro unbelievable.
- 36:39Speaker 4: Oh Bro doesn't suit you, Caleb.
- 36:41Speaker 5: I'm sorry, It's not part of your aesthetic. Oh I
- 36:45Speaker 5: see you are not aesthetic to say, bring of esthetic?
- 36:48Speaker 2: Are you dressed in Maron tonight for the games?
- 36:51Speaker 1: To the queen?
- 36:52Speaker 4: This is a marone? Is I think Marris?
- 36:54Speaker 1: No queens?
- 36:56Speaker 4: Well I'm not. I'm from Perth. I've got no idea
- 36:58Speaker 4: about the state of oraor Je.
- 37:00Speaker 2: Well let's get into the papers.
- 37:01Speaker 5: You've got the yes, the advertiser. So look, this is
- 37:05Speaker 5: quite a big one. Report says, where short on bombs
- 37:08Speaker 5: and fuel, Australia does not have enough fuel, bombs and
- 37:11Speaker 5: soldiers to defend itself. A scathing report has found the
- 37:14Speaker 5: Australian Strategic Policy Institute has sounded an alarm as the
- 37:18Speaker 5: Iran War, Russia's increasing aggression in Europe, and China's open
- 37:21Speaker 5: declaration it wants to retake Taiwan places out national security
- 37:25Speaker 5: at increase risk. This is part of a two hundred
- 37:28Speaker 5: and seven page report card warning Australia was exposed if
- 37:31Speaker 5: a major conflict did erupt.
- 37:34Speaker 4: It says that we would.
- 37:35Speaker 5: Struggle to maintain fuel supplies beyond a few weeks. This
- 37:40Speaker 5: is really really alarming that we are not in a
- 37:44Speaker 5: position right now to defend itself. And you know who
- 37:47Speaker 5: is sitting there laughing at this, Our enemies like China,
- 37:49Speaker 5: They're going fantastic. Good to know that Australia doesn't have
- 37:53Speaker 5: enough fuel bombs or soldiers to defend itself.
- 37:56Speaker 4: Seriously, we are a joke.
- 37:58Speaker 6: I am speaking of laughing for a minute that I
- 38:00Speaker 6: thought you said we were short on bongs, and I
- 38:02Speaker 6: thought of the potheads of Australia.
- 38:04Speaker 1: But seriously, that if we don't have enough fuel bombs
- 38:07Speaker 1: or soldiers, what do we have chance?
- 38:10Speaker 3: We have plenty of warnings but zero action. Is there
- 38:13Speaker 3: an answer I'm supposed to have here?
- 38:15Speaker 1: You look like it.
- 38:16Speaker 6: Would seem that fuel bombs and soldiers would be like
- 38:20Speaker 6: pretty fundamental things to the running of a military and
- 38:24Speaker 6: we don't have them.
- 38:26Speaker 3: We've got drones, but they're at the bottom of Sydney
- 38:29Speaker 3: Harbor after the Vivid Festival, so we don't have those.
- 38:32Speaker 3: Linda Reynolds wrote a great article in Yesterday's Australian talking
- 38:36Speaker 3: about the fact that we're sleepwalking towards conflict. She's a
- 38:39Speaker 3: former defense minister, and she made the comment it's very
- 38:43Speaker 3: obvious to all and Sundry that China are using the
- 38:45Speaker 3: conflict in Ukraine and in Iran to test weaponry, to
- 38:50Speaker 3: test the commitment of allies, and Australia pretty much is
- 38:56Speaker 3: just hoping that this conflict in now part of the
- 38:58Speaker 3: world never eventuates. It's sleepwalking into disaster. It was a
- 39:03Speaker 3: very good article yesterday and Tomorrow's Australian. I recommend if
- 39:06Speaker 3: you can get hold of yesterday's paper that you check
- 39:08Speaker 3: it out.
- 39:09Speaker 1: Indeed, you want to read the Herald Son, I.
- 39:11Speaker 3: Will read the Herald Son. Thank you Calip for the prompt.
- 39:14Speaker 3: Sorry I didn't realize I was boring you there. Harold's
- 39:16Speaker 3: Son front page Twisting the Knife. Four killed, dozens slashed
- 39:20Speaker 3: in machete attacks over twelve months since Alan launched crackdown.
- 39:25Speaker 3: The headline reads, it's been a flop.
- 39:29Speaker 2: That's very good.
- 39:30Speaker 4: Actually, he's very good.
- 39:31Speaker 2: That's been a flop.
- 39:32Speaker 3: Four young people have been killed, at least a dozen
- 39:34Speaker 3: victims slashed with machetes in more than forty public ambushes
- 39:38Speaker 3: since the Allen government outlawed the dangerous blades. One year
- 39:42Speaker 3: on from Victoria's ban on the sale of the blades,
- 39:44Speaker 3: which led to the state's thirteen million dollar machety bin program.
- 39:48Speaker 3: Terrifying gang related pack attacks continued to play out in public.
- 39:53Speaker 3: One investigator said there was no doubt public place attacks
- 39:56Speaker 3: were becoming more violent despite just into Ellen's machette bins.
- 40:01Speaker 3: Are any of us actually surprised by that?
- 40:04Speaker 5: No, I'm absolutely stunned. Consider me stunned tonight.
- 40:08Speaker 4: What did she expect?
- 40:09Speaker 5: Seriously, and again it just goes to show she is
- 40:12Speaker 5: doing nothing when it comes to crime. And I think
- 40:14Speaker 5: every Victorian would look at that and go, we're in
- 40:17Speaker 5: a mess, wearing a mess. The big solution was meant
- 40:19Speaker 5: to be the bins, which was a joke in the
- 40:21Speaker 5: first place, and it's done nothing, has achieved nothing.
- 40:24Speaker 2: People laughed at it when it happened.
- 40:25Speaker 3: I don't think people are laughing now though, because the
- 40:27Speaker 3: way crime has gone in Victoria, it's incredibly serious and
- 40:31Speaker 3: they're absolutely culpable, the labor government.
- 40:33Speaker 1: I am shooketh that this would happen.
- 40:36Speaker 6: Knock me over with a feather duster, I mean seriously,
- 40:41Speaker 6: And if it wasn't going to be machete. He liter
- 40:43Speaker 6: imagined that the machette ban was miraculous, and they remove
- 40:47Speaker 6: every machete from Victoria. I think they have other sharp implements.
- 40:51Speaker 6: I've been to Victoria a few I lived there for
- 40:53Speaker 6: a while. As far as I can tell, they do
- 40:55Speaker 6: have other sharp implements in Victoria. So if it's not machettes,
- 40:58Speaker 6: it'll be some other knife.
- 41:00Speaker 1: Like do they serious?
- 41:00Speaker 6: I will put a bin out and put your machete
- 41:03Speaker 6: in there and all will be fine.
- 41:04Speaker 3: So the idea was that these youth gangs would all
- 41:08Speaker 3: take their machetes and hand them over as.
- 41:10Speaker 1: They would because they were upstanding.
- 41:11Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 41:12Speaker 4: Absolutely, So there you go.
- 41:13Speaker 3: The other interesting story, just a little one on the
- 41:15Speaker 3: front page of the Herald Sun tomorrow. Aaron cooks up appeal.
- 41:19Speaker 3: This is in reference to triple murderer Aaron Patterson. Her
- 41:22Speaker 3: next court date has been set for August, where her
- 41:26Speaker 3: lawyers will argue the Mushroom Cook's convictions should be quashed
- 41:30Speaker 3: because she suffered a miscarriage of justice. She was sentenced
- 41:33Speaker 3: to thirty three years jail. That's the non parole period,
- 41:36Speaker 3: which means she'll be eighty two years old by the
- 41:39Speaker 3: time she's eligible for release. She's going to argue that
- 41:43Speaker 3: five days under cross examination was unfair and oppressive. That's
- 41:48Speaker 3: part of her argument for a miscarriage of justice.
- 41:52Speaker 6: Yeah, the massive case rolls on. Hey now you thought
- 41:54Speaker 6: it's been a flop was a good headline. How about
- 41:57Speaker 6: this one on the front of the OS tomorrow, roasting
- 42:00Speaker 6: by Cook as the bosses stew.
- 42:02Speaker 4: Ay, that's a good one, man, is it?
- 42:04Speaker 1: Business have declared?
- 42:06Speaker 6: Businesses have declared war on Jim Charmer's budget and is
- 42:09Speaker 6: vowing to oppose the capital gains tax reforms even if
- 42:13Speaker 6: concessions are granted. As West Australian Premier, Roger Cook became
- 42:17Speaker 6: the second labor state leader to break ranks with the
- 42:19Speaker 6: Albanesi government and call for a carve out for the
- 42:21Speaker 6: mining exploration sector. More people to get a carve with
- 42:24Speaker 6: Business Council of Australia chief executive Brand Black telling The
- 42:28Speaker 6: Australian the budget had already turned international investors away from Australia.
- 42:32Speaker 6: Mister Cook said he was concerned the CGT changes could
- 42:35Speaker 6: hit exploration and foreign investment in the resources rich state. Again,
- 42:41Speaker 6: is there anyone who's walked away from this budget saying hmm,
- 42:44Speaker 6: actually it was a good result.
- 42:45Speaker 5: No, nobody, And it just feels like the labor government
- 42:49Speaker 5: are making it up as they go along.
- 42:51Speaker 4: I mean they were saying today.
- 42:52Speaker 5: That they might consider other concessions, are going to consult
- 42:55Speaker 5: with businesses. So if they just as they go along,
- 42:58Speaker 5: they're just sort of trying to weasel their w out
- 43:00Speaker 5: of things without fully backpedaling, because they know politically this
- 43:03Speaker 5: is an absolute disaster.
- 43:04Speaker 2: A classic case of ready fire aim exactly. That's what
- 43:08Speaker 2: they've been done.
- 43:08Speaker 3: If they could have got carvery into that headlic.
- 43:12Speaker 6: More and well, yeah, that's actually a good point. Another
- 43:15Speaker 6: story on the front of the Oards tomorrows is minor issue.
- 43:18Speaker 6: Hanson's man accused of brushing off early warning on party
- 43:22Speaker 6: rapist Pauline. Hanson's right hand man has been accused of
- 43:25Speaker 6: dismissing evidence of rape of a rape by One Nation
- 43:28Speaker 6: advisers Sean Black as a minor issue and unimportant matter,
- 43:33Speaker 6: when a colleague tried to warn him and the party
- 43:35Speaker 6: on behalf of the victim. James Ashby, Senator Hanson's longtime
- 43:39Speaker 6: chief of staff, allegedly described photos presented to him of
- 43:43Speaker 6: injuries purportedly caused by mister Black in other violent incidents
- 43:48Speaker 6: as no worse than those he would suffer while hiking.
- 43:51Speaker 6: Former One Nation staffer David Goodrich has signed a statutory
- 43:54Speaker 6: declaration alleging he tried to warn Senator Hanson about the
- 43:57Speaker 6: allegations against mister Black in line with the victim's wishes,
- 44:01Speaker 6: long before his twenty eighteen conviction for rape and assault,
- 44:04Speaker 6: but was knocked back by mister Ashby.
- 44:06Speaker 1: Now, of course mister Goodridge has written this.
- 44:09Speaker 6: In a stat dick, so he is saying that he
- 44:12Speaker 6: believes this is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
- 44:15Speaker 6: but the truth. But there's not been a response from
- 44:17Speaker 6: James Ashby at n time, so we can't tell you
- 44:20Speaker 6: what he says to those allegations.
- 44:22Speaker 1: But to the idea though, or the.
- 44:25Speaker 6: Accusation that mister Goodridge went to the party with photographs
- 44:29Speaker 6: and details before he was convicted, I'm not sure that
- 44:34Speaker 6: at that point it would actually compel the party to
- 44:36Speaker 6: do anything about it, because he was at that point
- 44:39Speaker 6: innocent until proven guilty.
- 44:42Speaker 4: No, I completely agree with you.
- 44:43Speaker 5: And the other thing is is overall, I'm not sure
- 44:46Speaker 5: that this is going to have an impact on the
- 44:49Speaker 5: success of One Nation at the moment. I think the
- 44:52Speaker 5: Paul Enhanson has spoken about this at nauseum for a
- 44:55Speaker 5: long time. I don't think she should have hired this
- 44:57Speaker 5: bloke in the first place. I completely agree with that.
- 45:00Speaker 5: But is it going to impact her her position in
- 45:03Speaker 5: the polls?
- 45:04Speaker 4: I don't think so.
- 45:05Speaker 2: Yep, agreed. All right, we're going to go to a break.
- 45:07Speaker 3: When we come back, Trains versus cars in Melbourne. Whodio
- 45:12Speaker 3: reckon comes out in front will show you after this.
- 45:18Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program.
- 45:19Speaker 3: All right, it's time for one of our favorite segments
- 45:22Speaker 3: on the late debate.
- 45:27Speaker 1: Times of the day.
- 45:30Speaker 3: Now, if you're going to make a U turn in Melbourne,
- 45:32Speaker 3: it's always a good idea to check your mirrors, maybe
- 45:34Speaker 3: check your blind splot. But check out this dope who
- 45:37Speaker 3: pulls a U turn right in front of a Melbourne
- 45:41Speaker 3: tram and I tell you it comes off a little worse.
- 45:47Speaker 3: For where four hundred and fifty collisions every year on
- 45:50Speaker 3: average between trams and cars in Melbourne, most often because
- 45:56Speaker 3: of mistakes made by motorists turns right in front of that.
- 46:00Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is that could have been That
- 46:05Speaker 4: could have been a.
- 46:06Speaker 3: Dad, It could have been Looking at the vision here
- 46:07Speaker 3: when you look at the car, the car doesn't seem
- 46:10Speaker 3: to have been damaged too much. There's a damaged at
- 46:13Speaker 3: all bumper on the front of the tram that you'll
- 46:15Speaker 3: see here when the tram gets a little closer. It
- 46:17Speaker 3: looks like a little bit like Dodgem cars at the fair.
- 46:19Speaker 4: I don't think it even touched the car, to be honest.
- 46:22Speaker 2: He gave me a little love tap.
- 46:23Speaker 4: It was a love tap.
- 46:24Speaker 6: You can see the cars that have didn't swerve out
- 46:27Speaker 6: because of it.
- 46:28Speaker 4: But I feel sorry for tram drivers.
- 46:30Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but look, I will say, and you and
- 46:33Speaker 6: I James obviously have both lived in Melbourne. They are
- 46:37Speaker 6: the bane of your existence when you're on the.
- 46:39Speaker 2: Road, Well it's the hook turn because it confuses me.
- 46:43Speaker 6: Some of those roads, whether the tram basically takes up
- 46:46Speaker 6: the entire lane of traffic and it takes forever.
- 46:49Speaker 1: But like, how dumb do you have to be?
- 46:51Speaker 6: Seriously anyway, speaking of which, this bloke could probably qull
- 46:55Speaker 6: it by as another dope of day. To be perfectly honest,
- 46:58Speaker 6: but a hotel work in China has walked out of
- 47:03Speaker 6: the hotel with someone's luggage and gone towards what he
- 47:07Speaker 6: thinks his slick papers and.
- 47:09Speaker 4: He's chip high in the pool.
- 47:12Speaker 1: Now look to be fair to him.
- 47:13Speaker 6: The water was incredibly still, but he's walked out and
- 47:19Speaker 6: clearly thought that what he was looking at was solid
- 47:23Speaker 6: ground and has somehow managed to fall directly into.
- 47:27Speaker 1: The water looking at there and he just got playing. Oh.
- 47:29Speaker 5: I feel a bit sorry for him. He was probably
- 47:31Speaker 5: just having a really bad day.
- 47:33Speaker 1: Well so he thought.
- 47:33Speaker 6: I walked directly into the pool and according to local media,
- 47:38Speaker 6: he sustained no injuries, which is fun, but it was
- 47:40Speaker 6: unclear if any of the luggage had been so.
- 47:43Speaker 3: As a kid at a park in Geelong, I did
- 47:45Speaker 3: exactly the same thing. I ran straight into a lake
- 47:48Speaker 3: that was covered in moss or some sort of green stuff.
- 47:51Speaker 3: I thought it was grass, ran straight in, ended up
- 47:54Speaker 3: in water up to my neck, gave myself the right
- 47:56Speaker 3: of my life.
- 47:57Speaker 6: Noone I know have been on the Australia's Funniest Home Video.
- 48:02Speaker 4: Yes exactly. Oh goodness me.
- 48:05Speaker 5: Well, r FK Junior if they member of the Trump
- 48:08Speaker 5: administration over in the United States, I've got to say,
- 48:12Speaker 5: this guy is a real Larrik and and he fancies
- 48:14Speaker 5: himself a bit of a Steve Irwin. He was in
- 48:16Speaker 5: doctor Oza's house and he just decided he's going to
- 48:20Speaker 5: wrangle with a couple of snakes.
- 48:25Speaker 8: What are they bad?
- 48:40Speaker 5: So these were black races and as you can see,
- 48:43Speaker 5: just very casually, he just picks them up.
- 48:45Speaker 4: They're biting him, and he's like, nah, I'm more good.
- 48:47Speaker 4: I think he's so cool. What a cool guy would
- 48:50Speaker 4: you do that? Oh?
- 48:51Speaker 6: Look, I fancy myself a snake wrangler, but not a chance.
- 48:56Speaker 3: That's it from us stick around. Coming up is the
- 48:58Speaker 3: reader Peter he Show. We'll see you tomorrow.
- 49:00Speaker 1: Six