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Patriots Catch-22 6/10: Recapping Days 1 & 2 of Mandatory Minicamp · Patriots Catch-22

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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars.
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Speaker 2: Lazarre and Lazarn Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined has always Barrick.
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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. You know, not
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Speaker 2: to do with math thing, but that's just the math.
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Speaker 2: The math just tells you that AJ Brown is gonna
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Speaker 2: average sixteen yards of catch if you single cover him
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Speaker 2: on the outside. Trevion's gonna average like four and a
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Speaker 2: half five yards of carries. What would you rather do?
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Speaker 2: Give up sixteen yards per pass or five yards heads.
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Speaker 1: On the situation. And there's all these other factors in it,
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Speaker 1: but but just on the surf, sure it becomes about
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Speaker 1: Henderson and Stevenson too, making the most of those opportunities.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, the run game as a whole is a
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Speaker 2: big fact is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the big thing for Henderson there
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Speaker 1: is he struggled in traffic last year And if a J.
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Speaker 1: Brown is bowling a defender out of the box and
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Speaker 1: it's one less guy, he has to navigate the better.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's still going to be a J. Brown.
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Speaker 3: Like Touch Touch Touch, Touch, Touch to cut tou Touch
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Speaker 3: twenty two, Touch Touch, Touch, Touch Touch, Touch Touch.
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Speaker 2: Twenty Welcome in everybody to the Patriots Cash twenty two podcast.
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Speaker 2: I'm Evan Lazar, joined as always by Alex barth Ace
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Speaker 2: behind the glass Mini Camp barth Mini Caamp. We got
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Speaker 2: some real football to talk about. I'm excited to do
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Speaker 2: that with you guys for the next couple of hours,
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Speaker 2: and we'll take calls and emails at some point in
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Speaker 2: the show. But I got a list of things that
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about that Alex and I have
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Speaker 2: seen over the last two days of Patriots Mini Camp.
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Speaker 2: Today was a lighter day, full disclosure, not a fast
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Speaker 2: paced practice, more of a jog through, walk through type
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Speaker 2: of practice. I wouldn't necessarily say there's a ton of
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Speaker 2: glean from this practice individually, Alex, but we've seen four
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Speaker 2: of these now this spring. I feel like we're starting
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Speaker 2: to get to a point where there's some real takeaways
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Speaker 2: and real things to dig our teeth into. So we'll
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Speaker 2: we'll definitely do that over the course of this show,
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Speaker 2: and it's exciting. It's exciting to be back out there.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying my best to get some color, get some
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Speaker 2: tan because I was on the coast from the winter.
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Speaker 2: We got you through the FIFA perimeter, which was not easy.
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Speaker 2: That was a whole ordeal. But you're here and that's
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Speaker 2: the most important thing. So for everybody that doesn't know,
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Speaker 2: if you're not coming to the game, then this is
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Speaker 2: not an easy place to be right now. So the
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Speaker 2: FIFA perimeter, we got barth in. Everything is fine. We'll
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Speaker 2: see about the next couple of weeks. But speaking of
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Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks, before we get into mini camp,
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Speaker 2: because of the World Cup, we've had to move the
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Speaker 2: radio schedule around just a little bit, so I want
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Speaker 2: to mention this a couple of times. So for the
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Speaker 2: next two weeks, Catch twenty two will be two to
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Speaker 2: four o'clock Eastern time on Wednesdays, so normally we're twelve
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Speaker 2: to two, but we're gonna have PEU from twelve to
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Speaker 2: two on Wednesday, and then Catch twenty two will be
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Speaker 2: on right after that from two to four, So you
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Speaker 2: have four straight hours on Wednesday of Patriots dot Com radio,
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Speaker 2: which is pretty cool. So that's going to be the
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Speaker 2: schedule the next couple of weeks. I think there's maybe
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Speaker 2: one other inside the FIFA dates of podcasting, but we
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Speaker 2: should be back at the normal time on that final Wednesday,
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Speaker 2: and then once training camp rolls around, all this will
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Speaker 2: be over. So that's the schedule for the next couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks there, and I'll mention it again at the
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Speaker 2: end of the show. Let's get into it though, Let's
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Speaker 2: get into training camp or mini camp thinking training camp
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Speaker 2: on my mind, mini camp here. Over the last couple
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Speaker 2: of days, I have a bunch of you know, topics
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Speaker 2: to discuss, and you know, we'll get even more and
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Speaker 2: more to the bottom of the roster as we do
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Speaker 2: on this show. But the first just topic off the
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Speaker 2: top that I wanted to talk about. I think it's
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Speaker 2: probably one of the bigger storylines around the team right
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Speaker 2: now that maybe is getting a little bit overshadowed by
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Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales's participation, gave Acus' lack of participation, which we'll
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Speaker 2: get to. But over the course of the spring, and
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Speaker 2: I would say, especially yesterday, we have just seen a
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Speaker 2: really sharp Drake may in my opinion, really someone that
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Speaker 2: just looks at ease in this offense, which you would
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Speaker 2: expect coming off of last season. But yesterday I felt
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Speaker 2: like he kind of lit up that red zone periods,
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Speaker 2: those live periods. I think he had two or three incompletions,
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Speaker 2: the ball wasn't really hitting the ground. Some of them
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Speaker 2: were checked downs and shorter throws, but some down the
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Speaker 2: field throws to aj Brown Hunter, Henry ormondre Stevenson on
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Speaker 2: a vertical route out of the backfield. I mean, it
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Speaker 2: just looked like he is in complete command of the
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Speaker 2: system in year two. And as we know in this
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Speaker 2: sport Alex, a lot of the time you're driving, you're
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Speaker 2: driven by your quarterback, right, you know, the quarterback drives
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Speaker 2: the bus and you're going to go as far as
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Speaker 2: Drake May is going to take you. And this year
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Speaker 2: two thing with Josh McDaniels that has gotten a lot
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Speaker 2: of attention, a lot of a lot of people have
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Speaker 2: talked about it, written about it, that it's the first
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Speaker 2: time that Drake May had real system and coordinator play
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Speaker 2: caller continuity going all the way back to probably high school,
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Speaker 2: because he didn't have it at North Carolina and he
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Speaker 2: didn't have it his first couple of years here with
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Speaker 2: the Patriots. I just think that the return early on
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Speaker 2: is that it looks like it you can tell that
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Speaker 2: Drake May is in a system that he's at ease
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Speaker 2: with what have been your impressions for him really just
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Speaker 2: across the entire spring, but yesterday in particular.
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Speaker 1: Again I go back to my take from last year
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Speaker 1: that it's gonna be nice when we're not every time
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Speaker 1: there's a practice or whatever, it's not suddenly what is
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Speaker 1: the state of the organization a quarterback. They have a
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Speaker 1: good quarterback. We know they have a good quarterback, and
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Speaker 1: he's playing like a good quarterback. Obviously looks good. I
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Speaker 1: don't mean this to take anything away from him, but
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Speaker 1: like you said, it's kind of being buried. I think
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Speaker 1: it's being buried because we know this is who he is. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: breaking Drake May good quarterback? Is that new? I know,
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. I know people like to hear it,
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Speaker 1: but it's not news, which is kind of nice. And
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Speaker 1: they talked a little bit more about it today. Drake
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Speaker 1: May did like we're able to Josh McDaniels, they all did,
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Speaker 1: about how the change it. The big focus for him
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Speaker 1: this offseason is the pre snap stuff and getting them
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Speaker 1: in the right play the line of scrimmage and making
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Speaker 1: adjustments and things like that. That's not something you're gonna
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Speaker 1: see or judge as much, at least externally in this
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Speaker 1: setting for us that something will see more when we
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Speaker 1: get to the game, So that that's something I'm very
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Speaker 1: interested in. But again, I just think it's great that, like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's had this great spring. I don't know how newsworthy
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Speaker 1: it is because I kind of expected him to come
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Speaker 1: in here and have a good spring.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a fair question of what does
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Speaker 2: another level look like for Drake May because I think
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Speaker 2: he was so good last year. Yeah, that expecting him
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Speaker 2: to make even another leap where he's improving even more
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Speaker 2: upon last year. You know, he's the runner up for MVP,
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Speaker 2: so I guess he could be the MVP of the
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Speaker 2: league right instead of so I just think But I
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Speaker 2: think the biggest thing though, to get to your point
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Speaker 2: about the pre snap, Yeah, I think that's thet is
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Speaker 2: that comes out against better defenses, Like he's going to
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Speaker 2: be able to go out there against bottom ten defenses
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Speaker 2: and light it up, Like I have no doubt about that,
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Speaker 2: And I have no doubt that he would do that,
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Speaker 2: especially with the supporting cast that they've put around him
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Speaker 2: this season, with AJ Brown and Romeo Dobbs and all
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Speaker 2: these guys were going to talk about here over the
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Speaker 2: next couple hours. But when it got into the playoffs,
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Speaker 2: and maybe some of this was roster construction and youth
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Speaker 2: and all that stuff, and it wasn't just him by
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Speaker 2: any means. But when you face that gauntlet of the
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Speaker 2: Chargers and the Texans and the Broncos and the Seahawks,
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Speaker 2: you started to see that the next step to me
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Speaker 2: for him is not necessarily ahwa, he's got to make
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Speaker 2: this adjustment better, this mechanic tweet or this rediscoverage better.
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Speaker 2: It's more so that when it's better competition, when he's
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Speaker 2: facing other playoff caliber teams and defenses that are at
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Speaker 2: the top of the league instead at the bottom of
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Speaker 2: the league. Now they're going to beat up on teams
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Speaker 2: at the bottom of the league and hopefully are going
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Speaker 2: to stockpile wins against those teams at the bottom of
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Speaker 2: the league next season. But the good teams right when
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Speaker 2: they play Seattle in the opener, when they play Detroit
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Speaker 2: in Munich, when they play Kansas City, when they play
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Speaker 2: these really good teams around the NFL that are on
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Speaker 2: their schedule. To me, that's the next step for Drake Man.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's necessarily something that's super tangible
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Speaker 2: right now, like I'm seeing a quicker release or I'm
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Speaker 2: seeing a guy that's seeing it faster through his progressions
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Speaker 2: or anything like that. It's more, you know, big picture
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Speaker 2: than that of can he take that next step against
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Speaker 2: the best of the best when the money's on the
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Speaker 2: line in the playoffs. But has there been any little
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Speaker 2: things that you have seen or do you think that
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Speaker 2: it's worked? Still far away from being able to come
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Speaker 2: to those conclusions.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just it's a tough setting to judge that
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Speaker 1: kind of thing. Doesn't mean it's not there. I just
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Speaker 1: think it's it's tough in this, like a lot of
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Speaker 1: things in the spring, like you're especially today, it's going
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Speaker 1: so slow and they're trying to get you're not changing
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Speaker 1: the plays a ton when you're installing because you've got
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Speaker 1: to run the plays trying to install. So it's it's
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Speaker 1: a little early for that.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into some of the other news and
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Speaker 2: notes here, attendance stuff, things of that nature. I think
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Speaker 2: I want to start Christian Gonzalez, but I'm actually tempted
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Speaker 2: to start game backs.
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Speaker 1: I think Akis is a bigger story. I think it's
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Speaker 1: a bigger story too, just because Gonzalez is if Gonzalez
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Speaker 1: wasn't here, Gonzalez would be a bigger story. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: obviously he's not signed. I guess we are starting Gonzalez
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Speaker 1: and saying this. I think the way you start with
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Speaker 1: Acus has explained why you're not starting with Gonzales and
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Speaker 1: it's obviously no ideal. He's not signed. Yep, he didn't
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Speaker 1: fully participate yesterday. He did individual drills and he did
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Speaker 1: the walk through stuff. He did the walk through stuff today.
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Speaker 1: I don't like, do you see any major cause for alarm? No,
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Speaker 1: just that he's not signed. It feels like they're in
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Speaker 1: as good a spot as they realistically could be. And
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Speaker 1: just for a little background, Evan, I went back and
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Speaker 1: looked at last year's draft class and when those guys
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Speaker 1: signed their extensions, just to get an idea of the
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Speaker 1: Patriots ahead of schedule. They behind schedule, right. Derek Stingley
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Speaker 1: signed his on March seventeenth. He was first. That's obviously early.
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Speaker 1: Tyler Smith and Charles Cross, two offensive linemens, signed the
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Speaker 1: last week in April, so that's three players from that
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Speaker 1: whole first round. The next guy to sign was Garrett Wilson.
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Speaker 1: That was on July fourteenth, Sauce Gardner signed the next day,
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Speaker 1: and Kyle Hamilton signed on August twenty seventh, and they
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Speaker 1: all kind of did what Gonzalz is doing right now. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they participated in mini camp, but not fully so I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not that worried about it as things
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Speaker 1: stand right now. I'm not that worried. This is, I think,
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Speaker 1: more or less where most teams and players are at
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Speaker 1: this point in the negotiation.
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Speaker 2: I'm not I actually would come away from his being
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Speaker 2: here in a little bit of parerstation that he participation
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Speaker 2: that he has done, and I would also say, maybe
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Speaker 2: this is a little bit inside baseball, but having a
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Speaker 2: press conference yesterday, yeah, after yesterday's practice, I would take
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Speaker 2: all those as pretty positive science. Because if they were
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Speaker 2: having a like hostile contract to goiations where it wasn't
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Speaker 2: going well and the two sides were worlds apart, and
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Speaker 2: this was a true players don't hold out a ton anymore.
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Speaker 2: So even if it was a hold in, if it
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Speaker 2: was a true hold in, I'd be like a little
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Speaker 2: bit more concerned about it. But I actually think the
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Speaker 2: limited of work, amount of work that he has done,
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Speaker 2: tells me that this is like a good faith gesture
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Speaker 2: on the Gonzales camp of like, we're hearing some things
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Speaker 2: that we like and maybe we're getting closer to a deal,
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Speaker 2: so I'm going to show up and I'm gonna be here.
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Speaker 2: And yesterday he said that, you know, he has obligations,
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Speaker 2: like he has an obligation to the team to be here.
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Speaker 2: He's under contract as of right now. It's not a
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Speaker 2: situation like Gay Bacchus where he's unsigned and he's going
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Speaker 2: through even though he's not doing live team, which makes
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Speaker 2: sense because he's not going to go out there and
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Speaker 2: risk injury in a live team setting. He's going through
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Speaker 2: the walkthroughs as the starting you know, right cornerback and
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Speaker 2: the spot that he's always in, And that tells me
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Speaker 2: that he obviously doesn't feel like this is gonna lasts
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Speaker 2: much longer to the point where he's gonna start sitting
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Speaker 2: things out. So we have seen hold ins Matthew Judon,
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Speaker 2: Stefan Gilmore. I think those two are probably the most
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Speaker 2: permanent or pertinent ones that I can think of off
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Speaker 2: the top of my head. Where Judon in the JIWD Mayo,
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Speaker 2: you remember Judon was like sitting on mats in a
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Speaker 2: shorts and a T shirt on the side of the field.
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Speaker 2: And this was during training camp, not during mini camp.
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Speaker 2: It was during training camp and Drod Mayo sent him
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Speaker 2: to the locker room. He said, if you're gonna just
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Speaker 2: sit out here and lounge around, then just you don't
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Speaker 2: need to be out here. That this is so far
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Speaker 2: away from that. Even though he's not doing the live stuff,
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Speaker 2: so he's holding out of a little bit of what's
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Speaker 2: going on. I think the participation in the walkthroughs, I'm
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Speaker 2: sure he's participating in all the meetings that we don't see.
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Speaker 2: I actually took this as a really positive sign that
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Speaker 2: Gonzalez has been present in participating as much as he has.
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Speaker 2: If this was a bad contract negotiation, he either wouldn't
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Speaker 2: be here, wouldn't be doing anything, and he's at least
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Speaker 2: doing a little bit of something. You mentioned, Gay Baccus,
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Speaker 2: you feel that that's the biggest story around the team
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Speaker 2: right now. I concur I think it absolutely is. It's
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Speaker 2: a two pronged thing. He's not signed and there seems
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Speaker 2: to be an injury that Mike Rabel mentioned he's having
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Speaker 2: a procedure on. There's a lot of different ways to
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Speaker 2: kind of tackle this subject. Both you know, gay Bacus individually,
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Speaker 2: what do the Patriots do if gay Bacus and I
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Speaker 2: would say to extent Harold Landry are not as available
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Speaker 2: as they were hoping that they were going to be
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Speaker 2: going into the season. You know, is this a spot
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Speaker 2: where they're looking to trade for Kevon Thibadeau. Is this
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Speaker 2: a spot where they're looking to sign a free agent?
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Speaker 2: What's our comfort level with Elijah Ponder being the guy
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Speaker 2: right opposite Draymond Jones. But just starting off with Akus,
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Speaker 2: what's your take on why he's not here and what
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Speaker 2: we've heard so far about that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I would guess it's injury related. Vrabel said
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Speaker 1: he had a procedure. He was dealing with a hamstring
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Speaker 1: thing during the pre draft process. You know, he's the
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Speaker 1: only second round pick, I think the other two second
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Speaker 1: round picks that were unsigned. He is the only second
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Speaker 1: round pick that are not signed. He's not the highest unsigned.
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Speaker 1: I think Mendoza's unsigned.
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Speaker 2: He is so uh the there were two as of
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Speaker 2: yesterday when I are higher than him, uh No, that
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Speaker 2: were second round picks that were unsigned. There were him
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Speaker 2: and Cashus Howell with the Bengals. Yeah, Cashus Howell signed yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Afternoon with Cincinnati and signed his rookie contract. So now
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Speaker 2: gay Backs is not only the lone Patriot rookie that's
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Speaker 2: not signed draft pick wise, he's also the only second
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Speaker 2: round pick in the NFL is not signed.
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Speaker 1: Although oddly enough, the first six third round picks aren't signed.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, and the only players above him who aren't
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Speaker 1: signed are Mendoza, Simpson and Omar Cooper Junior.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Brown's got Casey Concepcion done today. Yeah, late
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Speaker 2: last night.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, it's it's concerning, though, it's definitely concerning. He
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Speaker 1: is a player that that they could use, that they
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Speaker 1: need this year, especially Harold Landry still isn't out of here.
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Speaker 1: Sounds like he's still rehabbing. And just the wave Rabel
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Speaker 1: spoke yesterday, I think in the body language and all that,
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Speaker 1: did it seem like something that was going to resolve quickly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I would say no. And I think the
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Speaker 2: biggest you know, somebody asked me on Twitter, I think
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Speaker 2: was Dave asked me on Twitter. You know, I like
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Speaker 2: to see I'm small seat concerned about things. He said, what, uh,
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Speaker 2: how big of a sea concern is this with gay backus?
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Speaker 2: I have three I'll give you three categories of concern,
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Speaker 2: all right. You have the small sea, which is like minor, right,
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Speaker 2: not concern. Then we have like the normal size sea,
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Speaker 2: which is like a little bit concern like but not
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Speaker 2: like freaking out that we have the real concern. I'm
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Speaker 2: right in the middle right now. I'm not like freaking
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Speaker 2: out yet about this. But it's bigger than small sea
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Speaker 2: concern at this point. And I think it kind of
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Speaker 2: relates back to not necessarily that I think gay Bacus
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Speaker 2: is in jeopardy of like not having a career or
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Speaker 2: anything like that, but it's more so that he's behind.
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Speaker 2: And you know, Mike Smith, the outside linebackers coach, it
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Speaker 2: admitted it yesterday that yes, he's going to be behind.
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Speaker 2: Now we can have an argument about how behind can
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Speaker 2: he really be as an edge rusher, Like, it's not
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Speaker 2: a position like wide receiver or tight end or something
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Speaker 2: like that where you need to have chemistry with the
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Speaker 2: quarterback and understand the whole play concept. Gay back as
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Speaker 2: plays the right defensive ends, body gets after the quarterback,
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Speaker 2: he stops the run. Like it's pretty cut and dry
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Speaker 2: what his job is. So it's not quite you know,
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Speaker 2: we've seen guys like Nikhil Harry Taekwan Thornton, players like
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Speaker 2: that that have mostly gotten hurt in training camp and
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Speaker 2: then fall behind. And when they fall behind, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's really hard to get back on the train. Like
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Speaker 2: when the train's moving, it's really hard to jump back on.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's the question with Akis, is that
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Speaker 2: even if he's ready to go by training camp, there's
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Speaker 2: no and he's not even here, Like it's not even
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Speaker 2: like he's you know, going through mental reps. Like it
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Speaker 2: sounds like Harold Landry and Morgan Moses are right, he's
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Speaker 2: according to Rabel, he's not even at the facility.
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Speaker 1: For a rookie, this is such an important time because
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Speaker 1: when you're honing your technique, you're learning to playbook things
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Speaker 1: like that's one thing, like like I said, speak, can
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Speaker 1: Christians all support to miss this time? Yeah? Of course, yeah.
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Speaker 1: He he his technique solid, he knows the playbook. He's
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Speaker 1: got that all down for him. It's really like training camp,
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Speaker 1: but just getting into football shape. Yeah, and working on
17:22
Speaker 1: some communication stuff with the other players in the secondary
17:24
Speaker 1: for gay back, because it's another story. I mean, you
17:26
Speaker 1: get drafted, I don't care who you are you're essentially
17:28
Speaker 1: starting from the ground up, so this is this is
17:31
Speaker 1: important time for him to be missing.
17:32
Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely, So that's actus individually. Uh, In terms of
17:37
Speaker 2: their depth at edge Rusher, it's been a lot of
17:38
Speaker 2: Elijah Ponder opposite of Draymond Jones. Uh Rabel talked up
17:43
Speaker 2: Braden Swinson a little bit today and said that he's
17:45
Speaker 2: had a good offseason and it's been doing all the
17:47
Speaker 2: right things. So basically, right now, you know, you have
17:50
Speaker 2: h Draymond Jones, you have Elijah Ponder, Brayden Swinson, and
17:55
Speaker 2: then you know some of like the UFA guys and
17:57
Speaker 2: you know back into the roster guys that they've brought in.
18:00
Speaker 2: Where are you at right now in terms of their
18:03
Speaker 2: edge depth? But I would actually say it's more like
18:05
Speaker 2: start hit.
18:06
Speaker 1: It's all of it. It's just where they add on
18:07
Speaker 1: the edge. I mean, it's it's their most worrying position
18:10
Speaker 1: right now. I think I'm as worried about their edge
18:12
Speaker 1: group as you can be about a positional group in June.
18:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, it to me, it's there's no doubt that it's.
18:19
Speaker 1: If Landry's not one hundred percent, if Akus isn't one
18:24
Speaker 1: hundred percent, and I mean, when you're talking about those
18:27
Speaker 1: guys not being one hundred percent, you know, I'm talking
18:29
Speaker 1: about are they gonna be available this year?
18:31
Speaker 2: Yeah?
18:32
Speaker 1: Or if I guess if if if Landry is like
18:34
Speaker 1: is he the guy he was the second half of
18:36
Speaker 1: last year? They remember they had to shut him down
18:38
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, right, he couldn't play in the playoffs?
18:40
Speaker 1: Is he going to be that coming back? Because that
18:41
Speaker 1: doesn't help. Who knows where gay Bachus is at. So
18:44
Speaker 1: that leads to Draymont Jones, who's a fine, complimentary player,
18:48
Speaker 1: but I'm here to replace Chase on her So it's
18:50
Speaker 1: a one for one. It's not like the ad was
18:53
Speaker 1: akis right right, you know, like they brought Landry back.
18:56
Speaker 1: We'll just forget forget comparing the last year. You have
18:58
Speaker 1: Draymont Jones, who I think is a complimentary rusher, but
19:01
Speaker 1: not a guy you want to pin your your pass
19:03
Speaker 1: rush on.
19:03
Speaker 2: Yep.
19:04
Speaker 1: You have Elijah Ponder who played two hundred and fifty
19:06
Speaker 1: snaps last year's UDFA looked okay, but again you're talking
19:09
Speaker 1: about a significant jump from a two hundred and fifty
19:11
Speaker 1: snap passing down role to being a full time player,
19:14
Speaker 1: which is what he would be if those two guys
19:16
Speaker 1: are gone and then after them Swinston very little to
19:22
Speaker 1: no NFL the drive. Jesse Luketta has been a special
19:25
Speaker 1: teamers whole NFL career and then he was a seventh
19:27
Speaker 1: round picking Q Hutchins and Udfa and Xavier Holmes. That's
19:30
Speaker 1: not enough.
19:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not enough. It's not And you know I
19:35
Speaker 2: should say, you know, as we're talking about this, and
19:37
Speaker 2: it feels good to be back in this world where
19:39
Speaker 2: this is like, you know, this is not enough to
19:41
Speaker 2: win the super Bowl, right right, Like that's what we're
19:43
Speaker 2: talking about. It's not that it's not enough. They're gonna
19:45
Speaker 2: win six games, but it's a good spot to be
19:47
Speaker 2: back in. But you know, that just kind of compared
19:49
Speaker 2: it to last year. I just look at it as
19:52
Speaker 2: to me, Draymond Jones is a watch like calebon Chase
19:55
Speaker 2: on it Out, Draymond Jones in Harold and Andrey comes back,
19:59
Speaker 2: Elijah Ponder comes back. Not that I thought they were
20:01
Speaker 2: moving on from those players, but they're They're back on
20:04
Speaker 2: the roster. The ad was Akis, Like Akis was supposed
20:07
Speaker 2: to be the guy that was going to elevate the
20:09
Speaker 2: talent in this room because Draymond Jones was kind of
20:12
Speaker 2: just a wash with Chase On to me, So it's
20:13
Speaker 2: a one for one swap. It's not you're not expecting
20:16
Speaker 2: him to be uh a game changer that's that much
20:19
Speaker 2: better than Chase On. So without Acus, without that, you know,
20:22
Speaker 2: sort of uh sprinkle uh sweetener on top, Like it's
20:26
Speaker 2: it's hard to see this room, as you know, improving
20:30
Speaker 2: on last year. I think we're at the point now
20:34
Speaker 2: and they know more than us about Akis. Where if
20:37
Speaker 2: I had felt like Akis was going to be I
20:40
Speaker 2: guess I had questions about Akis as a as a
20:42
Speaker 2: three down player out of the shoot anyways, I didn't
20:45
Speaker 2: know if he was going to have the past rush
20:47
Speaker 2: ability right away to be their most effective guy opposite
20:50
Speaker 2: of Jones on third down. I thought maybe that would
20:53
Speaker 2: be more in a rotation with Landry or Elijah Ponder.
20:57
Speaker 2: I was hoping that Akus was gonna at least be
21:01
Speaker 2: like your early down edge setter, and then Ponder would
21:03
Speaker 2: come in on third down and rush the passer. But
21:06
Speaker 2: they don't even have that ability to do that right
21:08
Speaker 2: now because he's not here. If you're the Patriots and
21:12
Speaker 2: you sit here on June tenth, two days into mandatory
21:16
Speaker 2: mini camp and two of your guys that you're really
21:20
Speaker 2: counting on to that position, and Landry and Akis are
21:24
Speaker 2: not here, not participating in these practices. And you pick
21:28
Speaker 2: up the phone and you call the giants and you
21:33
Speaker 2: call it John Harbaugh, and you say, we will offer
21:37
Speaker 2: you what for Caveon Thibodeaux? What's the What's what kind
21:42
Speaker 2: of picker you willing to part with?
21:44
Speaker 1: Kaisham Boudi in a fifth?
21:46
Speaker 2: Do you think that gets it done?
21:48
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the least competitive. I don't
21:50
Speaker 1: know what else is out there. Although you did have
21:52
Speaker 1: abdua car to get hurt the other day, so that
21:53
Speaker 1: could complicate things. But based on what the reports ESPN had,
21:59
Speaker 1: if it's shown booty in a fifth or just an
22:01
Speaker 1: outright third, which do you think they take?
22:05
Speaker 2: I guess it depends on how truly worried the giants
22:08
Speaker 2: are about Malik neighbors Like, I can't answer that question.
22:12
Speaker 1: ESPN basically had the expected ranges between a third and
22:15
Speaker 1: a sixth. So if it's booty in a fourth versus
22:20
Speaker 1: a third, what do you think the giants take?
22:22
Speaker 2: Probably booty, right, I do, booty in a fourth, So
22:26
Speaker 2: I think that that's I personally am right around a
22:29
Speaker 2: third or fourth, with third obviously would be without Booty
22:31
Speaker 2: and maybe an early Day three pick. But I think
22:34
Speaker 2: it's a call you have to make at this point,
22:36
Speaker 2: even if you think that Acus is going to be
22:39
Speaker 2: fine and Landry is going to be fine, counting on
22:41
Speaker 2: those guys, especially Landry for this season, I think is
22:46
Speaker 2: is a stretch. And you know, like we said, this
22:48
Speaker 2: is this could be the difference of them making a
22:50
Speaker 2: deep playoff run and not deep making a deep playoff run.
22:53
Speaker 2: Is how much pass rush they can get off the edge,
22:55
Speaker 2: And I would just hate to see all the great
22:58
Speaker 2: things that they've done personnel wise this offseason, you know,
23:01
Speaker 2: trading for aj Brown, you know, bring in guys like
23:05
Speaker 2: Draymond Jones and Kevin Byerd and Romeo Dobbs, and a
23:09
Speaker 2: draft class that I think has some promise and some potential,
23:12
Speaker 2: and then you see this sort of glaring need on
23:15
Speaker 2: the roster when you get out of the spring and
23:16
Speaker 2: you just kind of let it go by the wayside.
23:18
Speaker 2: I would hate for this to be the reason why
23:19
Speaker 2: they don't win a super Bowl. You know, maybe if
23:21
Speaker 2: they don't win a super Bowl, it's because of all
23:23
Speaker 2: these other factors that go into the luck thing you
23:25
Speaker 2: need to win a Super Bowl. But when all of
23:27
Speaker 2: us can see months out that they don't have enough
23:30
Speaker 2: pass rush off the edge, I would just hate that
23:32
Speaker 2: to be the reason. And I look at a guy
23:33
Speaker 2: like Thibodeaux and I think he plays a lot like
23:36
Speaker 2: they want him to play. He's built a lot the
23:37
Speaker 2: same way. He's kind of has those you know six three, six, four,
23:41
Speaker 2: two fifty five, like that's their measurables, those are their
23:44
Speaker 2: buckets of thresholds. I think he plays with a good motor.
23:48
Speaker 2: I think he can use him in multiple spots in
23:50
Speaker 2: the line, you can stunt them. I think he plays
23:52
Speaker 2: with a good aggressiveness like I think he has that
23:54
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel edge rusher type of archetype to him that
23:58
Speaker 2: I think it would be a good fit here. The
24:00
Speaker 2: only thing that holds me back with Thibodeau is that
24:02
Speaker 2: he's in a contract year. He's playing on his fifth
24:04
Speaker 2: year option, and if you trade a top one hundred
24:08
Speaker 2: pick for him in the future, then you probably are
24:10
Speaker 2: going to have to think about extending him if it
24:12
Speaker 2: works out, because you don't want to give up that
24:14
Speaker 2: kind of draft capital just for one year. I don't
24:17
Speaker 2: think you'd want to do that, but I think you
24:19
Speaker 2: got to make that call if you're Elliott Wolf at
24:22
Speaker 2: this point.
24:22
Speaker 1: All right, just along those lines, another option they might have.
24:26
Speaker 1: How do you feel about your dating Clowney, I.
24:30
Speaker 2: Mean, I don't feel great about it, Like it's another
24:32
Speaker 2: veteran body. And maybe that's like for Harold Landry, you know,
24:36
Speaker 2: like if Harold Landry is it can't give them what
24:39
Speaker 2: they need, then it's somebody that can play a similar
24:41
Speaker 2: role to Harold Landry. But I don't love it as
24:44
Speaker 2: much as I would like to.
24:45
Speaker 1: Trade it, obviously, but just for what it's worth. Eight
24:47
Speaker 1: and a half sacks and thirteen games last year in Dallas,
24:50
Speaker 1: and it's played for Rabel for multiple seasons. Yeap was
24:54
Speaker 1: when Rabel was an assistant in Houston and then also
24:57
Speaker 1: played for him in Tennessee for year.
24:59
Speaker 2: Forgot that Tennessee. I knew he was in Houston with him.
25:01
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was with him in Tennessee. Like I
25:04
Speaker 1: don't know, not the worst night and a half sacks
25:06
Speaker 1: last year. I think it would have led the Patriots.
25:08
Speaker 2: Right, I think I think Chase On had eight, So.
25:13
Speaker 1: I'm not just if they can't make a trade. They
25:15
Speaker 1: need somebody. If they can't make a trade, I'd called
25:17
Speaker 1: you Davian Clowney, all right.
25:20
Speaker 2: I could live with Damien Clowney on a one year
25:22
Speaker 2: deal just to add some depth there, but I definitely
25:26
Speaker 2: would make that call on Thibodaux at this point, Let's
25:29
Speaker 2: go to the wide receivers. Kaishan Boody obviously a big
25:33
Speaker 2: story as well, maybe not as big as the first
25:35
Speaker 2: two names of Gonzales and Acis, but we saw yesterday
25:40
Speaker 2: Alex in Tuesday's practice, Kaishan Boody makes a big play
25:44
Speaker 2: down in the field. Is actually working with Tommy DeVito.
25:48
Speaker 2: I believe Kobe Minor was the corner and coverage, but
25:51
Speaker 2: just a classic, you know, go ball, get behind the defender,
25:55
Speaker 2: toe tap, you know, in the back of the end zone.
25:58
Speaker 2: It was a pretty classic kaishon Boo moment, and I
26:00
Speaker 2: think it was It was good and bad at the
26:02
Speaker 2: same time, because I think it was a little bit
26:04
Speaker 2: of a reminder of what this guy can bring to
26:06
Speaker 2: the table. But also maybe we all kind of started
26:09
Speaker 2: swooning all over again about Kaiseh on Booty and it's
26:12
Speaker 2: all him being back in the mix here. But to
26:16
Speaker 2: his credit. You know, it was basically one of the
26:18
Speaker 2: first reps he took in eleven on Eleven's on Tuesday
26:20
Speaker 2: after not being here for OTAs, and he made a
26:23
Speaker 2: play right out of the shoot. We did see some
26:26
Speaker 2: Booty Brown, Dobbs three receivers, you know, as their top
26:31
Speaker 2: three guys, you know, rotating in together. But I still
26:34
Speaker 2: come back to just it being a really crowded room,
26:38
Speaker 2: and I guess maybe that's a good, you know, first
26:40
Speaker 2: world problem to have. But on the outside, you know
26:45
Speaker 2: Brown's gonna play. You're trying to get Kyle Williams, Mac
26:49
Speaker 2: Collins and kaishaw On Boody all reps behind AJ Brown.
26:54
Speaker 2: So that's four guys that are basically playing. You know,
26:57
Speaker 2: Mac Collins is maybe the one guy that plays a
26:59
Speaker 2: little bit more Z than those other three that I mentioned,
27:02
Speaker 2: those other two that I mentioned. Yeah, but for the
27:05
Speaker 2: most part, you have guys that are competing for a
27:07
Speaker 2: lot of the same work because you know, AJ Brown
27:09
Speaker 2: and Dobbs are going to be on the field. Bob
27:12
Speaker 2: Douglas kind of brings his own little thing out of
27:15
Speaker 2: the slot as the jitterbug slot, speed slot that's different
27:18
Speaker 2: than the other guys that I mentioned, it just still
27:21
Speaker 2: felt like watching practice to the point where Kaishawan Boody
27:25
Speaker 2: is repping a lot with Tommy DeVito because he just
27:28
Speaker 2: got to get in at some point. And I'll you
27:30
Speaker 2: can't give all those reps to him with Drake May
27:33
Speaker 2: because Drake May is working with Dobbs and aj Brown.
27:35
Speaker 2: You could feel it already in my opinion that there's
27:39
Speaker 2: just a lot of guys that need to get reps
27:41
Speaker 2: and a lot of guys that need to be out
27:42
Speaker 2: there at the same time. Like I said at the
27:45
Speaker 2: top of this, Kaishan Boody makes it made a great
27:48
Speaker 2: play yesterday and it shows you that he's a pretty
27:50
Speaker 2: talented and pretty good receiver. Where are you at right
27:54
Speaker 2: now with Booty, who I thought was a little bit
27:57
Speaker 2: more wishy washy maybe than Christian Zale, Like, you know,
28:01
Speaker 2: I hope it's here, but if it's not here, then
28:02
Speaker 2: it's not here. You know that sort of answer. But
28:05
Speaker 2: where are you at right now with Kishan Boo?
28:06
Speaker 1: Let me look, I think he'd like to stay here?
28:10
Speaker 1: Who wants to move right moving hand of us? Does
28:15
Speaker 1: he want to stay here in a reduced role? Does
28:17
Speaker 1: he want to stay here without a guarantee of a contract,
28:20
Speaker 1: all those things right, and then that changes the element
28:23
Speaker 1: of it. It's a crowded room. It's just a crowded room,
28:26
Speaker 1: and it's tough to see how he fits in now.
28:27
Speaker 1: I don't think they have to rush to get him
28:29
Speaker 1: out the door, and maybe you wait and see if
28:30
Speaker 1: a team gets desperate in camp, but somebody there there
28:34
Speaker 1: they to your point, you just kind of highlighted it.
28:37
Speaker 1: How do you justify carrying all these players Ajan Brown, maccollins,
28:42
Speaker 1: Romeo Dobs, Kishan, Booty, Kyle Williams, J Mario Douglas, f
28:46
Speaker 1: and Chisholm. That's seven. Yeah, so even if you dry,
28:50
Speaker 1: I guess if you drop Chisholm and pop, that's five.
28:54
Speaker 1: Are they going to do that?
28:55
Speaker 4: Now?
28:55
Speaker 1: You're really you don't you lose a lot of speed
28:57
Speaker 1: in Douglas. You don't have a ton of inside guys,
29:00
Speaker 1: So what does that look like? It's just hard to
29:02
Speaker 1: see how all the pieces fit. It just feels like
29:04
Speaker 1: they've an excess and I think Booty's the most logical
29:06
Speaker 1: guy to part ways with.
29:07
Speaker 2: I just yeah, it just feels like they have too
29:10
Speaker 2: much redundancy in the room. Now, I was talking to.
29:12
Speaker 2: We talked to the assistant coaches before practice and I
29:14
Speaker 2: asked Todd Downing about that, and he'd said, I know
29:17
Speaker 2: that this is kind of a talking point right now
29:19
Speaker 2: that we have, you know, so many guys in the room.
29:21
Speaker 2: And he said, you know, to him like he just
29:24
Speaker 2: wants to get the best five or six football players
29:27
Speaker 2: and then whether they have the same skill sets or redundancies.
29:30
Speaker 2: He put that onus on himself and Josh McDaniels to
29:33
Speaker 2: figure that out once they get to that point of
29:36
Speaker 2: how to use all these guys. I'm coming around a
29:38
Speaker 2: little bit to the Booty Brown Dobbs trio because it
29:42
Speaker 2: allows aj Brown to maybe play a little bit more
29:45
Speaker 2: as a chess piece and move around the formation a
29:47
Speaker 2: little bit more, which I think at this stage of
29:49
Speaker 2: his career might be good for him to play more
29:51
Speaker 2: on the inside and a shorter like, kind of higher
29:54
Speaker 2: volume role in that sense. But I still feel like
29:59
Speaker 2: your body types are really similar. I still feel like
30:02
Speaker 2: you don't have a ton of speed on the field
30:04
Speaker 2: when you put that group on there, which I think
30:06
Speaker 2: might be the biggest concern that I have with it
30:09
Speaker 2: is that you know, Bob Douglas, Kyle Williams. Even if
30:13
Speaker 2: those guys aren't as good as Kisehan, Booty is necessarily
30:17
Speaker 2: just in like a raw Madden's score type of way, right.
30:21
Speaker 2: They bring a speed and like an explosiveness and a
30:23
Speaker 2: dynamic play speed element to the table that he doesn't.
30:27
Speaker 2: With that compliments Brown and Dobbs a little bit more.
30:29
Speaker 2: But seeing it yesterday, I didn't. I didn't hate it,
30:32
Speaker 2: especially what it allowed them to do with aj Brown.
30:34
Speaker 2: So I think is probably best at this point of
30:37
Speaker 2: his career being a little bit more of a of
30:41
Speaker 2: a movable chess piece than he is a guy that
30:44
Speaker 2: strictly just glued to the boundary and maybe doing some
30:46
Speaker 2: of that big slot stuff where you just let him go,
30:49
Speaker 2: you know, take onlinebackers, safeties, nickel corners and use his
30:53
Speaker 2: size and uses his ability. If they broke camp and
30:56
Speaker 2: that was their top three guys, you know, how do
30:59
Speaker 2: you feel that? Do you think it works?
31:01
Speaker 1: Who's the third guy?
31:02
Speaker 2: Booty Brown, Dobbs, Yeah.
31:05
Speaker 1: But you know you want to get Mac Collins more involved,
31:08
Speaker 1: and you're lacking some speed there. I guess it could work.
31:11
Speaker 1: So you're with me.
31:12
Speaker 2: You don't love it, doesn't doesn't sound like I.
31:14
Speaker 1: Like the question is how much if you're gonna keep Booty,
31:18
Speaker 1: how much is he willing to take on a reduced role.
31:21
Speaker 1: That can certainly be a grouping, But I think you
31:24
Speaker 1: also have to get Mac Hollins involved. May likes throwing
31:26
Speaker 1: to him, he's big hee albs in the run game.
31:27
Speaker 1: I think you have to get at least one of
31:29
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas, Kayia Williams involved because you need some sort
31:31
Speaker 1: of true speed element.
31:33
Speaker 5: Yep.
31:34
Speaker 1: So if it's and then who I'm missing somebody else
31:37
Speaker 1: in there too. I think Brown Dobbs, Brown Dobbs on
31:41
Speaker 1: me too. So yeah, Hollins, Hollan Boody and then either
31:44
Speaker 1: Williams or Douglas like or both on you know.
31:46
Speaker 2: So those guys are probably gonna make the scene.
31:48
Speaker 1: So that's how much. That's how much you're an eleven?
31:50
Speaker 1: What percentage of the time do we think they're gonna
31:52
Speaker 1: be an eleven?
31:53
Speaker 2: Sixty five?
31:54
Speaker 1: Okay? So what's a third of sixty percent?
31:59
Speaker 2: Thirty three thirty right? No, yeah, sixty six percent would
32:03
Speaker 2: be two a third of sixty percent, okay, so a
32:06
Speaker 2: little bit less than.
32:07
Speaker 1: That, okay, So is whatever is KISHUANBOODI gonna be okay
32:10
Speaker 1: with that many snaps.
32:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that many snaps while also playing in a
32:16
Speaker 2: contract year, Like if he was getting that many snaps.
32:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he was already paid, that's the different.
32:21
Speaker 2: And by the way, his second year in the NFL.
32:23
Speaker 1: Or Reference, he played sixty seven percent of the snaps
32:26
Speaker 1: and games he was in last year seventy nine percent
32:28
Speaker 1: the year before that. So you were talking about a significant,
32:32
Speaker 1: significant decrease in role.
32:33
Speaker 2: I believe it was Maccollins, Booty Digs were the top
32:37
Speaker 2: three wide receiver in terms of snaps. It might have
32:39
Speaker 2: been fourth Diggs was only around fifty fifty five percent. Yeah,
32:44
Speaker 2: I can find that, hang on, So I think it
32:45
Speaker 2: was those three guys.
32:48
Speaker 6: It was.
32:48
Speaker 1: Well, so Booty's number comes down for the overall because
32:51
Speaker 1: remember he missed a couple of games. Yeah, he was
32:54
Speaker 1: still hang on, I gotta sort this by uh, his
33:00
Speaker 1: number comes down because he missed games, So this is
33:02
Speaker 1: a little different. It was Matt Collins versus sixty percent
33:05
Speaker 1: than Booty of fifty five, Digs at fifty four, than
33:08
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams at thirty.
33:09
Speaker 2: That's why I thought it was Okay, So I think
33:11
Speaker 2: that this all comes back to with Kaishan Boody because
33:13
Speaker 2: I know I get on for saying that you can't swear.
33:18
Speaker 2: Don't swear, get crapped on, and I can't say that word. Okay,
33:23
Speaker 2: I get crapped on. We can edit that one out
33:27
Speaker 2: to bleep it out, all right.
33:28
Speaker 1: For the record, I don't like it, sure, I don't.
33:32
Speaker 1: I think censorship's kind of done. But you keep getting
33:34
Speaker 1: in trouble for swearing, so I have to make sure
33:36
Speaker 1: you don't know.
33:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I keep getting crapped on for crapping
33:42
Speaker 2: on Booty for saying, you know, because people think I
33:44
Speaker 2: don't like him as a player. I don't like the
33:47
Speaker 2: situation for him because he's a fourth year player that's
33:51
Speaker 2: in the final year of his rookie contract, that needs
33:54
Speaker 2: to make headway to get a second contract in the NFL.
33:58
Speaker 2: And you are telling a player that has made all
34:01
Speaker 2: the positive strides and done all the right things over
34:03
Speaker 2: the course of his first three seasons to carve out
34:07
Speaker 2: a role and you know, make himself a valuable piece
34:10
Speaker 2: in the offense and show what he can do on
34:12
Speaker 2: the NFL level. And now you're going to take that
34:15
Speaker 2: player's role. You're going to cut it in half. When
34:18
Speaker 2: he's trying to get paid. It just doesn't feel honestly,
34:21
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel fair to Kaishon Boody, Like.
34:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a great situation for him.
34:24
Speaker 2: Right, So if I was kaish On Booty, I could
34:26
Speaker 2: totally understand if his his camp and his side of
34:30
Speaker 2: things was like, well, I need to go someplace else
34:32
Speaker 2: with more opportunity because they just keep on bringing in
34:34
Speaker 2: guys that are pushing me down. I would totally understand that.
34:37
Speaker 2: I also understand what he kind of said yesterday about hey,
34:41
Speaker 2: like I'm just going to compete, like I give they
34:43
Speaker 2: give me the chance, I'm going to beat these guys out.
34:45
Speaker 2: And good for him for being competitive like that. But
34:47
Speaker 2: it's not that I think that Kijon Booty is a scrub.
34:50
Speaker 2: I just think that Kishon Boody is going to want
34:52
Speaker 2: to get more opportunities and the Patriots can present him.
34:55
Speaker 2: And if he's the backup X to AJ Brown and
34:58
Speaker 2: he's playing thirty percent, what do you say Kyle Williams
35:01
Speaker 2: played thirty percent of the snaps last year? Yeah, that
35:04
Speaker 2: was the backup X, right, and he was playing thirty
35:07
Speaker 2: point seven percent of the snaps. If that's the role,
35:10
Speaker 2: that Kaishan Boody has and how why is that good
35:13
Speaker 2: for Kaishan Boody? Like that does nothing for him? So
35:16
Speaker 2: I would just worry about the dynamic more so than
35:18
Speaker 2: I'm worried about you know, is he a bad player
35:20
Speaker 2: or not. So we'll see what happens, uh, you know
35:23
Speaker 2: with Kisehan Booty. But he was here, he's participating fully. Uh,
35:27
Speaker 2: there's no extracurriculars going on with that one. Next item
35:31
Speaker 2: on my list, let's go, since we're on the receivers,
35:35
Speaker 2: let's let's jump to, uh, just our initial oppressions so
35:39
Speaker 2: far we've seen let's call it two and a half
35:42
Speaker 2: because today's practice was was not really a full practice.
35:46
Speaker 2: Two and a half practices now of AJ Brown, what
35:49
Speaker 2: have been your initial impressions. I think that my initial
35:52
Speaker 2: impressions of AJ Brown are just as advertised. Like, he
35:55
Speaker 2: looks like a Alpha number one wider receiver.
36:00
Speaker 1: He looks.
36:01
Speaker 2: I don't think that I'm not you know, thinking this
36:05
Speaker 2: is oh seven reducks yet. But I'm also not you know,
36:09
Speaker 2: thinking that he's lost a step either. You know, the
36:11
Speaker 2: catch that he made yesterday was was impressive, you know,
36:14
Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty ball in the back shoulder against
36:16
Speaker 2: Vildor that he just won at the catch point and
36:19
Speaker 2: kind of just you know, flex Tom did one of
36:21
Speaker 2: those dominant AJ Brown reps. I really just like I
36:25
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing though, is like when he's rolling
36:28
Speaker 2: at you, if you're playing off coverage against him as
36:30
Speaker 2: a corner and he's rolling at you off the line
36:33
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, he has really great body control to just
36:36
Speaker 2: like break down and cut in on the slant that
36:40
Speaker 2: it's like almost unstoppable to cover that route if you
36:43
Speaker 2: give him like seven or eight yards a cushion and
36:45
Speaker 2: he gets you into the pedal because you have to
36:47
Speaker 2: respect the vertical route and he snaps off a slant
36:50
Speaker 2: or diggering out I hitch even I don't know how
36:54
Speaker 2: you cover that because he's so sudden and he's so
36:57
Speaker 2: you know, balanced, that he's able to just come in
36:59
Speaker 2: and out of the break so quickly and without giving
37:02
Speaker 2: any sort of tells to the defender of what he's
37:05
Speaker 2: going to do. That pops off. Even routes on air,
37:09
Speaker 2: you can sort of see that body control and the
37:11
Speaker 2: suddenness that he has at the top of the route.
37:13
Speaker 2: Really excited about what I've seen with him, so far,
37:16
Speaker 2: it's been a lot outside receiver, which you can expect
37:19
Speaker 2: this early on, a lot of back shoulders, hitches, slants
37:23
Speaker 2: like working that outside vertical tree. But I really expect
37:26
Speaker 2: that by the time let's call it well was to
37:29
Speaker 2: say Eagles joint practice, because I'm sure he'll be geared
37:32
Speaker 2: up for that one by the time the Eagles are
37:34
Speaker 2: in town for those joint practices. I kind of expect
37:36
Speaker 2: another layer of the playbook to be open to aj
37:40
Speaker 2: Brown to move around the formation a little bit more
37:42
Speaker 2: and do some of that big slot stuff I was
37:44
Speaker 2: talking about. But my initial impression has just been looks
37:47
Speaker 2: like AJ Brown looks like a stud wide receiver, and
37:51
Speaker 2: it's been cool to see Drake May throw him the ball.
37:53
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And I think that's a big thing for
37:56
Speaker 1: me and Mike ra able to ask about this today
37:58
Speaker 1: and talked about today. Is just the chemistry between him
38:00
Speaker 1: and May and a lot of those routes you're talking
38:03
Speaker 1: about our timing routes, they're chemistry routes. They got to
38:05
Speaker 1: be on the same page. And looks like they're making
38:07
Speaker 1: progress in that regard, which is good. He's clearly picked
38:10
Speaker 1: up a ton of the playbook went from and I
38:12
Speaker 1: doesn't expect him to be super involved. When we saw
38:14
Speaker 1: him last week in that first practice, he had just
38:17
Speaker 1: guided me he'd been a patriot.
38:18
Speaker 2: Probably twenty four hours.
38:20
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there would come out here this week, and
38:22
Speaker 1: he looks like the number one wide receiver in terms
38:24
Speaker 1: of his usage. So I'm just the chemistry and some
38:27
Speaker 1: of the timing stuff between him and Drake May I
38:28
Speaker 1: think is going to be a big story to watch
38:31
Speaker 1: all summer.
38:32
Speaker 2: Yep. So I have a few more things still on
38:34
Speaker 2: the list, but since we're on the topic of wide receivers,
38:37
Speaker 2: I just want to throw it in there. Mike Rabel
38:40
Speaker 2: was asked about potentially Stefan Digg's coming back.
38:44
Speaker 1: Yep.
38:44
Speaker 2: He said that he didn't shut it down, but he
38:47
Speaker 2: also said that it's not something that they're really looking
38:51
Speaker 2: into right now. So he said, at the moment, you know,
38:54
Speaker 2: not not really thinking that's a direction they're going in.
38:57
Speaker 6: Here.
38:57
Speaker 2: Here's their direct quote. I don't think that's what that's
39:00
Speaker 2: something that we're exploring. But I would never say no,
39:04
Speaker 2: so I would say they're leaving the door cracked. But
39:06
Speaker 2: my guess is is that door is cracked in case
39:09
Speaker 2: unfortunately somebody gets hurt tomorrow and they they have to
39:13
Speaker 2: completely change plans and change course. But I would say
39:16
Speaker 2: for the most part, as long as they get through
39:17
Speaker 2: camp and everything healthy in the preseason. It doesn't sound
39:21
Speaker 2: at least based off of those comments, that a reunion
39:24
Speaker 2: with Stefan Diggs is imminent or in the works at all,
39:28
Speaker 2: but maybe something that they're keeping on the back burner
39:31
Speaker 2: just in case at this point.
39:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, don't close the door unless you have to, basically.
39:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So speaking of additions to the roster, moving
39:39
Speaker 2: down here on the offense side, and we'll do defense.
39:44
Speaker 2: He did hint Mike Rabel at a tight end edition,
39:47
Speaker 2: I mean pretty much said that they will be adding
39:50
Speaker 2: a tight end now. That could mean anything from adding
39:53
Speaker 2: a body to adding comet like he did say variety.
39:57
Speaker 1: In that answer. He mentioned the numbers for training camp,
40:00
Speaker 1: which leads me to believe this is probably gonna be
40:02
Speaker 1: some UDFA, some camp body. I will say, though, I
40:07
Speaker 1: do have a name for you, and this guy might
40:09
Speaker 1: not sign to later, so they might have to add
40:10
Speaker 1: a camp body and then add this guy. And I
40:13
Speaker 1: said this first, and I was kidding, And then the
40:15
Speaker 1: more I thought about it, I was like, Eh, maybe
40:18
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. How would you feel, Evan, Yes, it's
40:22
Speaker 1: Patriots sig Mercedes Lewis, he's not officially retired.
40:27
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm okay with it. Like I'm not gonna
40:31
Speaker 2: sit here and say that's the worst idea ever.
40:33
Speaker 1: But Turn fourteen may if you're just trying to one
40:40
Speaker 1: for one fill the role that we thought Julian Hill
40:42
Speaker 1: would fill, which is like ninety percent blocking, Yeah, and
40:46
Speaker 1: maybe even create something where it's more of a rotation
40:49
Speaker 1: with Eli Reriden rather than Eli Ridin being a true
40:53
Speaker 1: third tight end. Mercedes Lewis.
40:56
Speaker 2: Well, I would just say that I if the idea
40:59
Speaker 2: would Julie Hill was what I think it was gonna be.
41:01
Speaker 2: Like Julian Hill is a much more athletic player, like
41:04
Speaker 2: Marcedes Lewis is a sixth offensive lineman, right, Like that's
41:08
Speaker 2: the mold that you're going after, Like late career Dwayne Allen,
41:11
Speaker 2: Like he's a true extra big body kind of like
41:16
Speaker 2: what I'm hoping that Tanner Arkin might develop into eventually.
41:20
Speaker 2: Julian Hill. I thought it was a much more athletic,
41:22
Speaker 2: much more versatile blocker, somebody that could get up in space,
41:26
Speaker 2: get out to the second level, you know, do different
41:29
Speaker 2: things like that that were a little bit more flexible,
41:31
Speaker 2: you know, come across the formation and crack guys like
41:36
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Marcedes Lewis is he's he's standing in
41:40
Speaker 2: there in line and he's digging out the defensive end,
41:42
Speaker 2: right like that. That's gonna be his thing now. If
41:45
Speaker 2: they feel like they need that, then you know he's
41:46
Speaker 2: a guy that can do it. We've talked a little
41:48
Speaker 2: bit about some of these guys, right like Ferksker and.
41:50
Speaker 1: Yeahs sign Okay. I think this is one where I
41:54
Speaker 1: go back to what Vraebel said today. I think today
41:59
Speaker 1: before people get all excited, I saw his people tweeting
42:02
Speaker 1: on Kyle Pitts. No, that's not I think what I
42:05
Speaker 1: inferred from what he said today was camp body. They
42:08
Speaker 1: need to get somebody else in here to run the drills,
42:10
Speaker 1: take snaps in the preseason. What I would like to
42:12
Speaker 1: see them do. Look, Tanner Arkin is intriguing. CJ. Dupree
42:16
Speaker 1: is intriguing. I think what you do is you let
42:20
Speaker 1: those two guys prove that they can win the spot
42:23
Speaker 1: to start, and if you get to like the first
42:25
Speaker 1: preseason game and you're not seeing the growth you want
42:28
Speaker 1: from either of them, then you go out and Okay,
42:30
Speaker 1: maybe Mercedes Lewis has been extreme, but a guy like
42:32
Speaker 1: a John Fitzpatrick, Will Disley's out there.
42:36
Speaker 2: John Smith the callan Castles. I'd probably rather go Disley
42:42
Speaker 2: rout if he's healthy. I know, fell with some injuries.
42:45
Speaker 1: But anyway, like I think this is probably that third
42:48
Speaker 1: I think they bring in a body for camp, they
42:49
Speaker 1: bring in some UDFA and then you get Dupre and
42:53
Speaker 1: arc In battling for that third spot. If neither one
42:55
Speaker 1: of them pops, then they go look on the veteran market.
42:58
Speaker 1: Because some of these guys too. Again, a guy like
43:00
Speaker 1: Marcedes Lewis, maybe even a guy like John Us Smith
43:03
Speaker 1: who's a little bit older, they might not be in
43:06
Speaker 1: a rush to sign. Yeah, right, do they want to come,
43:08
Speaker 1: especially Lewis because Louis gonna come do the first few
43:10
Speaker 1: days of training camp.
43:11
Speaker 2: I don't need to do that. I don't mean I
43:12
Speaker 2: don't need him to do it either, right, you call.
43:15
Speaker 1: Him mid August? Yeah, So so that that's where I'm
43:18
Speaker 1: at with it.
43:18
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you this though about it,
43:20
Speaker 2: because you you immediately jumped and I'm not saying you're wrong,
43:24
Speaker 2: but you immediately jumped to the Arkins and the Depres
43:26
Speaker 2: of the world. Are we not at all small seat
43:29
Speaker 2: concerned that Rawdan's not ready to be the backup tight end? Well,
43:33
Speaker 2: because I am a little bit just because of the
43:35
Speaker 2: nature of the position. Maybe it's a it's a lot
43:37
Speaker 2: to ask for a rookie, especially a guy that's a
43:40
Speaker 2: third round pick. We're not talking about somebody they drafted
43:42
Speaker 2: in the top twenty, like a Tyler Warren, Colson Lovelin.
43:45
Speaker 2: We're talking about a player that had some development to do. Anyway,
43:49
Speaker 2: It's like that was sort of the conversation around him
43:52
Speaker 2: with Raredan coming out of the draft is that this
43:55
Speaker 2: is more of a developmental player. This is more of
43:57
Speaker 2: a project player at that position. It's not just if
44:01
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry gets hurt. It's also where they or not
44:04
Speaker 2: you if two tight ends and twelve personnel is available
44:07
Speaker 2: to you too, like and maybe with Gilliam, that sort
44:10
Speaker 2: of lessens that blow a little bit. But if you
44:14
Speaker 2: want to run two tight end packages and you want
44:16
Speaker 2: to run some twelve personnel, then Rareden's gonna have a
44:19
Speaker 2: role like Austin Hooper had last year. Anyways, even not
44:23
Speaker 2: even counting the injury insurance that he is to Hunter Henry.
44:27
Speaker 2: So are you ready to put the rookie in the
44:29
Speaker 2: spot where he could play a significant role out of
44:32
Speaker 2: the shoot and is he ready for that?
44:33
Speaker 1: I need to see more for him. I don't doubt
44:35
Speaker 1: he can handle like a secondary pass catching role. That's
44:38
Speaker 1: the thing for me, is more about the blocking right
44:40
Speaker 1: you're losing is to what you said earlier, the idea
44:42
Speaker 1: that Julian Hill can maybe do both. Yeah, and so
44:45
Speaker 1: if between Arkin or whether it's Arkin or dupri right
44:52
Speaker 1: between that guy and Raredan, you have like the full
44:57
Speaker 1: complete tight end, right, So it's just complete. It's it's
45:01
Speaker 1: that blocking part that I'm I have more faith. I
45:05
Speaker 1: think in reared in to be the receiver.
45:07
Speaker 2: Right, like, I have no doubt that.
45:09
Speaker 1: But if you want, if you want him to play
45:10
Speaker 1: like sixty percent of snaps, though, you need somebody else.
45:12
Speaker 1: I don't know if he can be the blocker for that.
45:14
Speaker 2: So last year just to and I haven't thought I'm
45:16
Speaker 2: rerid him. But last year Austin Hooper as the second
45:19
Speaker 2: tight end without an injury to Henry, played forty nine
45:23
Speaker 2: almost forty nine point nine, so basically fifty percent of
45:25
Speaker 2: the snaps last year as the second tight end. Now
45:28
Speaker 2: they might not have used the full back as much
45:30
Speaker 2: as they're going to use it this year because of
45:33
Speaker 2: you know, west Over, you know, the upgrade from Westover
45:36
Speaker 2: to Gilliam. But that second tight end role in the
45:40
Speaker 2: NFL nowadays is still a at least want to call
45:42
Speaker 2: it a rotational or a part time player. And I
45:45
Speaker 2: just wonder where they're at with Rearden and his ability
45:49
Speaker 2: to do that, and if that's putting a little bit
45:51
Speaker 2: too much pressure in just too much you know, eggs
45:54
Speaker 2: in that basket to extract the third round pick to
45:56
Speaker 2: be able to do that right out of the shoot,
45:58
Speaker 2: especially with the way that you know, you I think
46:00
Speaker 2: laid it out well about his blocking ability, Like, I
46:03
Speaker 2: think that's what's going to be the thing, the bigger
46:04
Speaker 2: question that it is a little bit slower. They want
46:07
Speaker 2: to put Raredan on the field on third and eight
46:09
Speaker 2: because he's the like a dynamic receiver. I bet he
46:12
Speaker 2: probably will be you know, I think he'll probably be
46:14
Speaker 2: good enough at that right out of the shoot. But
46:17
Speaker 2: when it's first and ten and you feel like that week,
46:20
Speaker 2: the best thing for you to do is to go
46:21
Speaker 2: twelve personnel and put both tight ends on the field,
46:24
Speaker 2: and it's first and ten from the twenty five in
46:25
Speaker 2: your based offense, Like, can you put Eli reard In
46:28
Speaker 2: and Hunter Henry together? Hunter Henry's a fine blocker, is
46:32
Speaker 2: a passable blocker. He's not a very good blocker himself,
46:35
Speaker 2: Like he's not a Rob Gronkowski either blocker. No, I
46:39
Speaker 2: would actually say sometimes he's a minus blocker, but he's
46:42
Speaker 2: at least passable at that position rared, and I don't
46:46
Speaker 2: know if he's even gonna be passable. So you you
46:48
Speaker 2: really don't have two guys that can really be inline
46:51
Speaker 2: blockers at a high level with either of those guys,
46:54
Speaker 2: which is why Julian Hill was signed. So I just
46:57
Speaker 2: wonder if, even though I agree that Rabel's answer was
47:00
Speaker 2: more geared today towards depth at that position versus adding
47:04
Speaker 2: another guy into the mix, I wonder if they are
47:07
Speaker 2: at the point eventually where they have to think about
47:10
Speaker 2: we really designed this for Reridan to be the third
47:14
Speaker 2: tight end and have a passing game role and kind
47:17
Speaker 2: of get his feet wet in the NFL as a
47:19
Speaker 2: rookie as he continues to develop his body and develop
47:21
Speaker 2: as a blocker and This is going to just be
47:23
Speaker 2: asking too much of them if we have to put
47:26
Speaker 2: him in there at that much. We have also seen
47:28
Speaker 2: a lot of Jack Westover at tight end, and I
47:31
Speaker 2: think that that might be a seniority he knows what
47:33
Speaker 2: he's doing kind of thing more than it is a
47:35
Speaker 2: talent kind of thing. But what do you make of
47:38
Speaker 2: that with Westover? Because I put it in the in
47:40
Speaker 2: the bucket of sometimes this time of year, the guy
47:42
Speaker 2: that's been on the team, that's been around longer is
47:45
Speaker 2: going to get the reps over a DePree, over an
47:48
Speaker 2: ARC game, over a player like that. But or do
47:50
Speaker 2: you think that Westover is in the mix?
47:54
Speaker 1: Maybe Again, if you're looking for the blocker, I don't
47:56
Speaker 1: know that he's as much of a blocker, So it
47:58
Speaker 1: makes it a little tougher. I think styling argating to
48:00
Speaker 1: pre or probably more what you're looking for.
48:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So that was tight end. Last thing
48:05
Speaker 2: on the offensive side, just wanted to talk a little
48:08
Speaker 2: bit about Kleb Blomo and his usage. Obviously being the
48:11
Speaker 2: first round pick, we've seen the offensive line that we've
48:14
Speaker 2: most commonly seen with Drake May from left to right,
48:17
Speaker 2: Campbell Vera, Tucker Wilson, on WHENU and then not right
48:22
Speaker 2: tackle because Morgan Moses hasn't been here these last couple
48:26
Speaker 2: of days. It's been Caleb Blowho. Now we know he's
48:28
Speaker 2: keeping the seat warm for Morgan Moses for the time being.
48:32
Speaker 2: But I actually think, you know two things. One, I
48:35
Speaker 2: think it's a good thing that Caleb Bloman was getting
48:37
Speaker 2: this work because Morgan Moses at thirty five years old,
48:40
Speaker 2: certainly doesn't need the reps in the spring. So give
48:43
Speaker 2: him to Kleb Blomo to develop, but to mostly right tackle,
48:48
Speaker 2: but maybe a couple of pitches on the left side too,
48:52
Speaker 2: not in place of Campbell necessarily, Yeah, rotating in on
48:56
Speaker 2: both sides, which cross training you would expect if he's
48:59
Speaker 2: going to be the top swing tackle. Not a whole
49:02
Speaker 2: lot to glean in terms of what's actually happened from
49:05
Speaker 2: this time of year in the trenches, you know who's
49:08
Speaker 2: playing well, I don't know, you know is they're not
49:11
Speaker 2: hitting anybody. But what do you make of just the
49:14
Speaker 2: way that they started to use Lomu so far.
49:16
Speaker 1: Cross training them. That's what they told us. They're cross training,
49:19
Speaker 1: they're getting him ready, but it seems like they're primarily
49:21
Speaker 1: getting him ready for the right side, and look, well,
49:23
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses out, it's gonna be a chance for him
49:25
Speaker 1: to get a ton of reps on that right side
49:27
Speaker 1: and really get ready. And I don't know, I don't
49:29
Speaker 1: remember where you stand on this. I'm sure we talked
49:30
Speaker 1: about after the draft. If you believe he can catch
49:35
Speaker 1: Moses by the start of the season and win that
49:38
Speaker 1: job for week one, I think they'd probably like to
49:41
Speaker 1: wait if they can. But I'm gonna have some time
49:45
Speaker 1: here to really work on his craft and set himself
49:48
Speaker 1: up well for camp I.
49:50
Speaker 2: Don't think that there's much of a chance of that
49:52
Speaker 2: for two reasons. I think Morgan Moses is leadership in
49:56
Speaker 2: that room is really, really highly regarded. Now, you don't
49:59
Speaker 2: give the guy the job as a lesser talented player
50:02
Speaker 2: because he's captain material. That's not usually how it works.
50:06
Speaker 2: But it's a younger room. You know, Jared Wilson and
50:09
Speaker 2: Will Campbell are in their second year, Lomu's a rookie.
50:13
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a younger room. And Morgan Moses,
50:17
Speaker 2: he's unk like he is, you know, he's really the
50:19
Speaker 2: leader in that room. And I was talking to Doug
50:22
Speaker 2: Moron and he was telling me just how much like
50:26
Speaker 2: Morgan Moses is such a wealth of knowledge, and like
50:30
Speaker 2: they just praising him up and down about how willing
50:33
Speaker 2: he is to share with younger players on the team.
50:36
Speaker 2: Not a lot of veteran guys, not all veteran guys,
50:39
Speaker 2: that should say, are willing to give their secrets out
50:41
Speaker 2: to the younger players because they know those guys are
50:43
Speaker 2: coming for their job. Like if you're Morgan Moses and
50:46
Speaker 2: you see Caleb Blomo, there's a lot of veteran players
50:49
Speaker 2: that would like out a spite, not want to give
50:52
Speaker 2: Caleb Blomo any tips because he's gonna take his job.
50:56
Speaker 2: But Morgan Moses is not that kind of guy. I
50:58
Speaker 2: think he's played last year is probably the most consistent
51:01
Speaker 2: baby besides on Winu on that offensive line. He was
51:04
Speaker 2: pretty much the only guy in the Super Bowl that
51:06
Speaker 2: didn't get pansed by the Seahawks in that game. I
51:09
Speaker 2: thought that he was. He was really solid all throughout
51:12
Speaker 2: the year last year, and with his veteran leadership, captain
51:15
Speaker 2: material kind of guy, I don't expect Lomu to catch him.
51:18
Speaker 2: I also think that Lomo needs to develop his body
51:21
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, that was one thing even
51:23
Speaker 2: standing next to Campbell. That you see with him is that,
51:26
Speaker 2: you know, we got to hit the protein shakes and
51:28
Speaker 2: hit the weight room a little bit more that a
51:31
Speaker 2: year behind Moses, or at least half a season behind
51:34
Speaker 2: Moses while he continues to eat that skinless chicken, as
51:37
Speaker 2: Paul Pirillo would like to say, is probably for the
51:40
Speaker 2: best with him. But is there a world where Lomu
51:44
Speaker 2: is involved. Absolutely, Maybe it's a sixth offensive lineman where
51:48
Speaker 2: they get his feet wet. Maybe you know, obviously he's
51:50
Speaker 2: going to be a top backup and all that kind
51:52
Speaker 2: of stuff. But it was interesting to see, and again
51:57
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to evaluate what they looked like, but
52:00
Speaker 2: we did see a lot this week of Campbell Vera.
52:04
Speaker 2: Tucker Wilson on when Wu Lomu, yep, I don't know
52:08
Speaker 2: about on like he might not be here long term.
52:10
Speaker 2: He readjusted his contract to stay here this year.
52:13
Speaker 1: But in theory, that's four or five. It's four or five, right, Yeah,
52:16
Speaker 1: you can find guard. I'm not so worried about them
52:19
Speaker 1: finding the starting right guard.
52:20
Speaker 2: So we saw the future a little bit of what's
52:22
Speaker 2: going to be in front of Drake may at least
52:24
Speaker 2: for the long term future. You know, and I think
52:28
Speaker 2: they're well set up there, that that line has come
52:31
Speaker 2: a really really long way from what we saw here,
52:35
Speaker 2: you know, twenty three, twenty four of those seasons. All right,
52:38
Speaker 2: let's let's talk a little bit of defense, and then
52:40
Speaker 2: I do have a special teams question for you, which
52:43
Speaker 2: I know you appreciate it. RB three, Like we're not ready.
52:47
Speaker 2: I don't know, like running backs this time of year.
52:50
Speaker 1: Len Larris is getting a lot of looks.
52:52
Speaker 2: So we're still on land Laris and island with me. Okay,
52:55
Speaker 2: I wish he was a little bit more explosive, like
52:57
Speaker 2: when you see they throw screens to him and stuff
53:00
Speaker 2: out of the backfield. I wish there was a little
53:01
Speaker 2: bit more giddy up to pull.
53:02
Speaker 1: Maybe once the speed goes up, he'll he'll show that one.
53:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I like that that confidence there. I think
53:10
Speaker 2: it was Sean McVay who said recently that you can't
53:12
Speaker 2: really evaluate running backs this time of year. You know,
53:15
Speaker 2: it's really hard to even evaluate running backs in training camp,
53:19
Speaker 2: like that's a preseason type of thing, in a regular
53:21
Speaker 2: season type of thing because of the tackling to the ground.
53:24
Speaker 2: So moving over to the defense, the two spots on
53:27
Speaker 2: the defense that I feel myself gravitating towards other than edge.
53:32
Speaker 2: Looking at the depth inside linebacker behind Splain and Christian
53:36
Speaker 2: Ellis in corner, I think safety. Even though I know
53:40
Speaker 2: that Mike Brown is not a household name yet and
53:41
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's gonna be ed Read or anything
53:44
Speaker 2: like that. But between Mike Brown and Del Pettis, like,
53:46
Speaker 2: I'm starting to okay, it's fine depth. It's better depth
53:50
Speaker 2: than I think they have it inside.
53:53
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Can Mike Brown be Jalen Hawkins.
53:55
Speaker 2: Right, like, if he's Jalen Hawkins and maybe he's not
53:57
Speaker 2: a starter like last year Jalen Hawkins played a ton
53:59
Speaker 2: of snare Like, I don't know if he's gonna be that,
54:01
Speaker 2: But is he the third safety? Him and Dell Pettis
54:04
Speaker 2: the third and fourth safeties. It's not they don't have
54:08
Speaker 2: great depth there, but I'm not as concerned about it
54:11
Speaker 2: as some of the other places on the roster. Inside
54:14
Speaker 2: linebacker is a kJ britt Is, a Chad Muma? Does
54:18
Speaker 2: obeis or make a push at some point? Does Cleil
54:21
Speaker 2: Jacob's Udfa make a push at some point?
54:24
Speaker 1: You know?
54:24
Speaker 2: Those are the guys that are kind of vying for
54:26
Speaker 2: those spots. But I do come back to it. Maybe
54:30
Speaker 2: we didn't feel this way about Jack Gibbons until we
54:33
Speaker 2: got into the season and saw that he could be
54:34
Speaker 2: serviceable either. But Spoayne as he was last year. Honestly,
54:40
Speaker 2: Spoayne is just such a key part of this defense.
54:43
Speaker 2: If they lose Blaine, I don't know what linebacker looks
54:47
Speaker 2: like behind a guy like Splain, Like, I don't know
54:50
Speaker 2: if they have another guy that can even, you know,
54:53
Speaker 2: give you eighty percent of what Robert Splaine brings to
54:55
Speaker 2: the table. It's a spot where the depth there is
54:58
Speaker 2: a little bit thin. Maybe it's maybe he's the Jack
55:01
Speaker 2: Gibbons of this roster, But what have you seen just
55:03
Speaker 2: in terms of mixing and matching there?
55:06
Speaker 1: I mean, kJ Britt definitely showed us I think a
55:08
Speaker 1: little bit no tas after him. Yeah, I'm with you,
55:12
Speaker 1: not not a ton of stood out. It's tough in
55:15
Speaker 1: this setting. It's another position where it's tough in this setting.
55:19
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's still like they're they're there. It
55:24
Speaker 1: feels like a drop off from last year, it does.
55:26
Speaker 2: It feels like a drop off a little bit in
55:28
Speaker 2: that corner. And look I I fully admit that when
55:31
Speaker 2: you get mossed by a J. Brown, that's not anything
55:34
Speaker 2: hold you know, be uh dropping your head at in
55:39
Speaker 2: terms of Kendallvilldor Uh. But Kendallvilldor, Kobe Minor, uh that
55:44
Speaker 2: group Kasehn Prunty Uh, they got picked on a little
55:47
Speaker 2: bit yesterday. Yesterday I felt like those three guys, you know,
55:50
Speaker 2: with Al Gonzalez, Carlon Davis is Carlon Davis, him and
55:54
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones were playing at the normal level that they
55:56
Speaker 2: always play at. But it seemed like whenever and as
55:59
Speaker 2: you probably could imagine, whoever Carlon Davis and Marcus Jones
56:03
Speaker 2: wasn't that was where Dragon was throwing the ball. Whoever
56:07
Speaker 2: was that rotating corner spot where Gonzales usually is. And
56:10
Speaker 2: obviously it's not a problem if all three of those
56:12
Speaker 2: guys are healthy, but corner depth behind Gonzales, Davis, Marcus Jones,
56:19
Speaker 2: how do we feel about that right now?
56:22
Speaker 1: That's still lacking a little bit. They seem to really
56:24
Speaker 1: like Kendallvilldor. I think he's gonna get a.
56:26
Speaker 2: Shot kind of like the Mike Brown of the corner right.
56:29
Speaker 1: I still I am still a little intrigued by kron
56:31
Speaker 1: Prunty and he was getting some run today and I
56:33
Speaker 1: want to see what he can do.
56:34
Speaker 2: He's got some good length, Like he's got to get
56:36
Speaker 2: size to him. You know, there's some things in technique
56:39
Speaker 2: wise and coverage that he.
56:40
Speaker 1: He has the uncoachables. Now a guy that's you know,
56:42
Speaker 1: twenty three, and he doesn't have the same ceiling as
56:46
Speaker 1: a player that's maybe twenty or twenty one. Right, he's
56:47
Speaker 1: a couple years older, but good, like you said, good athlete,
56:51
Speaker 1: good size. They've I noticed different coaching staff. They have
56:53
Speaker 1: long history here of coaching up corners that have the
56:56
Speaker 1: natural tools. Yeah, or even some that don't. Frankly, Yeah,
56:59
Speaker 1: so I'm still a little intrigued by him.
57:01
Speaker 2: Yeah. You definitely noticed his length, his arm length, and
57:05
Speaker 2: just sort of his size. He's got a good frame.
57:07
Speaker 2: If they can develop his technique, his instincts, that type
57:10
Speaker 2: of stuff, there might be something there. The defensive line
57:13
Speaker 2: has been pretty consistently the top group, you know in
57:17
Speaker 2: base bar More Dirden, that the nose and Milton Williams.
57:22
Speaker 2: I kind of am buying a little bit of Corey
57:23
Speaker 2: Durden stock. Like I think the Corey Durton thing might
57:26
Speaker 2: now not based off of practice. We're not really watching
57:29
Speaker 2: it for that purpose right now, but I kind of
57:32
Speaker 2: feel like that might be legit.
57:33
Speaker 7: You know.
57:33
Speaker 2: I think Corey Durden has been a good player, under
57:37
Speaker 2: the radar player last year and with the rams, I
57:40
Speaker 2: feel like he's got a little bit of something something.
57:43
Speaker 2: I'll buy some Corey Durden stock. The last question I
57:47
Speaker 2: had for you that I wanted to ask it, and
57:50
Speaker 2: then we'll open up the show to all the calls
57:52
Speaker 2: and emails, because we're getting tons of emails and calls.
57:54
Speaker 2: I see all of them. There is a tryout punter here,
57:58
Speaker 2: Alex Barth. Yep, we're intrigued by what you saw yesterday
58:02
Speaker 2: a little bit.
58:02
Speaker 1: He was kicking the crap out of the ball. You
58:04
Speaker 1: were you were telling me at good power into it.
58:06
Speaker 1: I was surprised when I looked at his college numbers
58:08
Speaker 1: last year. They didn't like reflect what I mean. I
58:11
Speaker 1: saw him punt like fifteen times. But good foot on
58:15
Speaker 1: the ball is back here today.
58:16
Speaker 2: Yeah.
58:16
Speaker 1: So they're still looking, and they remember they brought Mitch
58:18
Speaker 1: McCarthy in a rookie mini camp. They didn' ultimately sign them,
58:21
Speaker 1: but it does feel like they're looking for some competition.
58:23
Speaker 1: For Bryce Bearinger, whether McCarthy ends up back here, whether
58:27
Speaker 1: it's it's Devin Baale, who's the kid that's here now?
58:29
Speaker 1: Where they go find somebody else? Like, it does seem
58:31
Speaker 1: like the goal is to have somebody here for training
58:34
Speaker 1: camp competing with Bryce bearing or does bail show them enough?
58:36
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think a lot of that in
58:38
Speaker 1: two team puntrels today. I think some of that's going
58:40
Speaker 1: to be in the meeting room and things like that,
58:42
Speaker 1: And we can't even really see where the specialists are
58:45
Speaker 1: working out now that they're on the low field. Yeah,
58:47
Speaker 1: it's it's tougher to tell, but it does seem like
58:50
Speaker 1: they want another punter here for sure. They just have to.
58:52
Speaker 1: It's just who is it?
58:53
Speaker 2: Good competition? I thought, you know, I you were tracking
58:57
Speaker 2: haying times, you were in your element?
58:59
Speaker 8: You were I was.
59:00
Speaker 1: He had some boomers. He let me go back, had
59:02
Speaker 1: a couple over five seconds, right, Yeah, I had him
59:04
Speaker 1: with a five point one point five and a five
59:08
Speaker 1: point oh five. I did also have Baringer to five
59:10
Speaker 1: point one oho, so you can hear the ball off.
59:13
Speaker 2: His foot you cut?
59:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that that's true.
59:15
Speaker 2: I'm not a punter guy. I don't pretend to know
59:18
Speaker 2: a ton about punting, but there's a certain sound when
59:22
Speaker 2: you hear a good punter punt the football that pop
59:25
Speaker 2: off the foot, and I definitely could hear that with
59:27
Speaker 2: this kid. So maybe there there's a little bit at
59:29
Speaker 2: least competition. I don't know if there's he's the guy,
59:31
Speaker 2: but at least there's some competition there. All right, we're
59:34
Speaker 2: gonna take a quick break hopefully that I think that
59:37
Speaker 2: that about does it. That was emptying my notebook. That
59:39
Speaker 2: was yeah, No, I think that pretty much covered right,
59:41
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59:43
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59:45
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Speaker 11: No apology is necessary, and it's kind of catch twenty
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Speaker 11: So I had a weird question. It's more of a
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Speaker 11: NFL question that as opposed to the Patriots question. But
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Speaker 11: I think we kind of been a big bull a
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Speaker 11: Brandon Ayuka is kind of committing career suicide with all
1:04:06
Speaker 11: this crap he's posting about the forty nine ers. I mean,
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Speaker 11: if you're a g if you guys were gms, would
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Speaker 11: you sign this guy to any sort of big deal?
1:04:16
Speaker 11: Just considering like he got almost close to fifty million
1:04:20
Speaker 11: dollars from the Niners and then he's he's completely debasing them.
1:04:23
Speaker 12: And I don't know.
1:04:24
Speaker 11: If I was running a team, I wouldn't sign the guy.
1:04:27
Speaker 11: But even if I was a team like Washington, I
1:04:30
Speaker 11: wouldn't bring this guy on for more than like one
1:04:32
Speaker 11: year at the league minimum. Just wanted to get your
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Speaker 11: Thank you, guys.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Patty. There's there's a lot of what's that
1:04:39
Speaker 2: called revolving door moments.
1:04:42
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you know, Brandon au By effect, Calvin Ridley.
1:04:47
Speaker 2: You know, like some of these guys that the Patriots
1:04:49
Speaker 2: did make Chris Godwin, but that they didn't make real
1:04:52
Speaker 2: runs at right, that didn't come to fruition. And at
1:04:56
Speaker 2: the time we were all probably pretty bummed that they
1:04:58
Speaker 2: didn't land those players. And as a turns out, I
1:05:00
Speaker 2: mean maybe not so much with Ridley. I think Ridley
1:05:03
Speaker 2: would have been a nice ad even at the time.
1:05:04
Speaker 2: But without you, the only thing I would say about
1:05:08
Speaker 2: you is I just hope he gets help. Like it
1:05:10
Speaker 2: seems like the guy needs help. Like seriously, on a
1:05:13
Speaker 2: serious note, Yes, I think that he needs uh. Before
1:05:16
Speaker 2: we start talking about would I sign him in football
1:05:19
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff and would team sign him? Uh,
1:05:23
Speaker 2: his behavior looks to me like somebody that is that
1:05:26
Speaker 2: is in need of of some real help. So I
1:05:29
Speaker 2: hope he gets it, and I hope he gets uh.
1:05:32
Speaker 2: Then he gets you know, once he gets his mental
1:05:35
Speaker 2: health in order, then he can play football game because
1:05:37
Speaker 2: he's a hell of a football player, and so I
1:05:39
Speaker 2: always hate to see that happen to any guy. Uh,
1:05:42
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's him or Antonio Brown or whatever.
1:05:45
Speaker 2: That you know that that's the way that the career goes.
1:05:48
Speaker 2: So would a team sign him right now? Probably not.
1:05:51
Speaker 2: I think he's still technically under contract with they at
1:05:54
Speaker 2: least have to They at least have his rights, like
1:05:56
Speaker 2: they're they're at least in control of the player him. Yeah, yeah,
1:05:59
Speaker 2: I would say no, But I would say that, you know,
1:06:04
Speaker 2: most importantly that I hope that Brandon and gets his
1:06:09
Speaker 2: his life.
1:06:10
Speaker 1: Gets whatever help he needs, whether it's on the football
1:06:12
Speaker 1: field or not.
1:06:12
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1:06:18
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Speaker 4: Yes, I got two questions for you. One is, don't
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Speaker 4: flag from Jump Street. And the second question is I
1:06:58
Speaker 4: hate to see Booty go if I keep putting in
1:07:01
Speaker 4: Hollands and all that stuff, why not the older person
1:07:05
Speaker 4: and then use your one of your UFDA uh with
1:07:11
Speaker 4: speed and then well you got speed in the receiver.
1:07:13
Speaker 4: You know he's trained behind like he's the third, fifth
1:07:16
Speaker 4: or sixth receiver. Then he give gets risked behind Brown
1:07:20
Speaker 4: and Dobbs. That's all I got to act and take
1:07:24
Speaker 4: it off the air.
1:07:24
Speaker 2: Sure, thanks for the college it as always So to
1:07:27
Speaker 2: the second question. First, I think the thing with Matt Collins,
1:07:31
Speaker 2: along with the fact that he's a versatile player and
1:07:34
Speaker 2: we actually have an email that I want to get
1:07:35
Speaker 2: to about him as well, along with the fact that
1:07:38
Speaker 2: I like his skill set, especially with Drake May, mac
1:07:43
Speaker 2: Collins is okay with being the fourth or fifth receiver
1:07:45
Speaker 2: and the wide receiver, right, Matt.
1:07:47
Speaker 1: Collins isn't worried about his next contract and so like.
1:07:50
Speaker 2: Mac Collins has been that guy his whole career, as
1:07:52
Speaker 2: is this kind of this guy that's a rotational player
1:07:55
Speaker 2: and a great locker room guy. And a great, you know,
1:07:57
Speaker 2: kind of personality to have on the team and veteran leader,
1:08:01
Speaker 2: and he knows his role, he knows why he's here.
1:08:04
Speaker 2: Kaishan Boody is looking for that next contract. He's looking
1:08:08
Speaker 2: he's there in very very different chapters in their NFL career.
1:08:11
Speaker 2: So I agree with Eldrid on the surface that Kaishon
1:08:14
Speaker 2: Booty is a better player probably right now at this
1:08:17
Speaker 2: point than Mac Collins. But is he a better fit
1:08:20
Speaker 2: in the room than Mac.
1:08:21
Speaker 1: Connins or what you have ahead of them. I think
1:08:23
Speaker 1: Mac Collins is a better fit. I've seen that question too.
1:08:25
Speaker 1: It's just it. It's a tough sell to keep Booty here,
1:08:28
Speaker 1: just is.
1:08:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, tis first point about Acus. I don't know if
1:08:31
Speaker 2: they miss anything or not, but you mentioned it earlier
1:08:35
Speaker 2: when we were talking about gay macis just being a
1:08:38
Speaker 2: body language doctor. The body language from Mike Rabel yesterday
1:08:41
Speaker 2: on the topic when he was getting questions from it
1:08:44
Speaker 2: from the media about it was not great. So I
1:08:47
Speaker 2: don't know what happened. I don't know if they missed something,
1:08:49
Speaker 2: didn't miss something, whatever, But right.
1:08:52
Speaker 1: Now to disagreement on treatment here, Yeah, there's.
1:08:55
Speaker 2: Just something's up. Something's up. We know that all right?
1:09:00
Speaker 2: Jay is in Atlanta? What's up?
1:09:02
Speaker 1: Jay?
1:09:05
Speaker 2: Jay there? It's up going on? Sorry, give us a
1:09:09
Speaker 2: call back. Herm is in DC? What's up?
1:09:11
Speaker 7: Herm?
1:09:13
Speaker 5: Her?
1:09:13
Speaker 6: It was bonem boys.
1:09:14
Speaker 1: Hey.
1:09:16
Speaker 6: Two quick questions for you guys. So the first question is,
1:09:21
Speaker 6: so cover six seems to be coverage that. I mean,
1:09:25
Speaker 6: if if any coverage at all, this seems to give
1:09:28
Speaker 6: Drake May the most problems. So my first question was,
1:09:34
Speaker 6: what do you guys thoughts on how obviously Agrian Brown
1:09:38
Speaker 6: will help them right against that coverage. I don't know
1:09:41
Speaker 6: if it's all of the personal thing most like a
1:09:44
Speaker 6: scheme thing, that's something obviously you can elaborate, you guys
1:09:47
Speaker 6: can elaborate on. And my second question is this right,
1:09:50
Speaker 6: And obviously I don't want to really get the past.
1:09:52
Speaker 6: I should let the past rest, but if you guys
1:09:55
Speaker 6: can help me understand. And again, obviously that's no Nick
1:10:00
Speaker 6: Hill Harry right, obviously whatever whatever. But I guess what
1:10:07
Speaker 6: was Bill Bechick's mindset when he picked Nick Hi Harry over.
1:10:15
Speaker 6: I guess A J. Brown specifically. It seems they are really,
1:10:19
Speaker 6: you know, the same body type. And I looked up
1:10:21
Speaker 6: the stats this morning. I mean they had coverable stats
1:10:26
Speaker 6: coming out of their respective schools. So if you could
1:10:29
Speaker 6: help me understand what I guess that Bill Betch's specifically
1:10:33
Speaker 6: thought process was when he picked him over A. J. Brown,
1:10:37
Speaker 6: specifically because they shumed to be the same body type. Yeah,
1:10:42
Speaker 6: so I take up there, listen, Thank.
1:10:43
Speaker 2: You, thanks too, good questions. So I want to cover
1:10:46
Speaker 2: six questions A great question. Yeah, and I've thought about
1:10:50
Speaker 2: this a lot, probably too much more than I should, honestly,
1:10:54
Speaker 2: of why that specific coverage it was. I believe the
1:10:57
Speaker 2: lowest e pa per temp or per dropback that Drake
1:11:01
Speaker 2: may had of any coverage and basically any coverage you
1:11:04
Speaker 2: can run in football, was Cover six, which is quarter
1:11:09
Speaker 2: quarter half, so it's quarters are cover four to one side,
1:11:12
Speaker 2: so it's two high safeties to one side or two
1:11:14
Speaker 2: high players to one side, and then cover two to
1:11:17
Speaker 2: the backside, so you have a cloud corner, you have
1:11:20
Speaker 2: a corner underneath and a court of safety over the
1:11:22
Speaker 2: top on one side of the field, and then you're
1:11:24
Speaker 2: playing quarters usually to the passing straight side of the field,
1:11:27
Speaker 2: so you have basically three guys over the top. But
1:11:31
Speaker 2: it's not like cover three because it's like tilted right
1:11:33
Speaker 2: to one side. Of the field a little bit. Some
1:11:36
Speaker 2: of the things that I've theorized about this, I don't
1:11:39
Speaker 2: know for a fact, And hopefully at some point I'll
1:11:42
Speaker 2: get to ask, you know, Drake may or Josh McDaniels
1:11:45
Speaker 2: or Ashton Grant or somebody about it. But in Josh
1:11:49
Speaker 2: mcdaniels's system and a lot of systems, typically routes convert
1:11:53
Speaker 2: based off of the shell of the coverage, and the
1:11:56
Speaker 2: quarterback is going to start on the progression. Sometimes not all,
1:12:00
Speaker 2: but sometimes the quarterback starts on the side of the
1:12:03
Speaker 2: progression based off the coverage shell as well. So the
1:12:06
Speaker 2: shell meaning where the safeties are aligned or they align
1:12:09
Speaker 2: and a split safety coverage, or are they aligned in
1:12:12
Speaker 2: a single high safety coverage like Cover three or Cover one.
1:12:15
Speaker 2: So when he sees Cover six, my gut is telling
1:12:18
Speaker 2: me that maybe that messes up with their process of
1:12:22
Speaker 2: how are these routes converting. Are we treating this as
1:12:24
Speaker 2: split safety or we treating this uh, you know, how
1:12:27
Speaker 2: are we Where are we starting in the progression? You
1:12:30
Speaker 2: know that sort of thing. And so you see him
1:12:32
Speaker 2: hold the ball. You know, now some of the reason
1:12:34
Speaker 2: why I think he struggles against Cover six just to
1:12:37
Speaker 2: be honest is that a lot of the best defenses
1:12:40
Speaker 2: in the league happen to run cover six strug So
1:12:43
Speaker 2: like if you you know, Seattle ran it a lot
1:12:45
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. There are great defense they're great
1:12:47
Speaker 2: at executing it. So some of it is just about
1:12:49
Speaker 2: the personnel that the other team has, and the other
1:12:52
Speaker 2: team deserves credit too, But I do wonder if some
1:12:55
Speaker 2: of the differences. You know, McDaniel's system is a coverage
1:13:00
Speaker 2: read system, so the progressions are based off the coverage.
1:13:04
Speaker 2: If they're in too high, we're going here with our eyes.
1:13:06
Speaker 2: If they're in single high, we're going here with our eyes.
1:13:09
Speaker 2: If it's zone, we're going there. If it's man, we're
1:13:11
Speaker 2: going here. In other systems, they're just pure progression reads.
1:13:15
Speaker 2: It's just one, two, three, four, five, because who's open, right,
1:13:18
Speaker 2: we're throwing to whoever's open. This is much more you know,
1:13:22
Speaker 2: sophisticated than that. And sometimes these combination coverages match coverages
1:13:28
Speaker 2: where they're carrying guys, they're passing off guys like a zone.
1:13:30
Speaker 2: If they're going underneath, they're carrying verticals, they're changing pictures
1:13:35
Speaker 2: post snap. You know, there's another defense as I'm going
1:13:38
Speaker 2: on this rant that had this issue. Brady had a
1:13:42
Speaker 2: lot of issues with Buffalo's defense at times under Sean McDermott,
1:13:45
Speaker 2: because they ran a lot of match cover two, so
1:13:48
Speaker 2: they would carry verticals, they would pass off zone, you know,
1:13:51
Speaker 2: underneath routes. You know, usually at like six or eight
1:13:53
Speaker 2: yards they make that declaration, and a lot of what
1:13:56
Speaker 2: would happen, They disguise it all up and post they
1:14:01
Speaker 2: would just change everything up and the picture would change
1:14:03
Speaker 2: on the quarterback and the receivers, and so it really
1:14:07
Speaker 2: had a It sometimes was a struggle for Brady and
1:14:10
Speaker 2: for McDaniels against that kind of defense. So I wonder
1:14:13
Speaker 2: if it's a little bit of the coverage read versus
1:14:15
Speaker 2: progression read sort of thing, and that whole conversation where
1:14:20
Speaker 2: Drake may is, you know, expecting when he opens up,
1:14:22
Speaker 2: he's expecting to see a certain coverage and maybe he's
1:14:25
Speaker 2: seeing something a little bit different, or the routes convert
1:14:28
Speaker 2: a little bit different against different looks and all those
1:14:31
Speaker 2: different types of things. So I actually think that that's
1:14:34
Speaker 2: something when Josh McDaniels and Mike Rabel talk about having
1:14:38
Speaker 2: fresh ideas and new ideas, I would say beating Cover
1:14:43
Speaker 2: six has got to be near the top of the
1:14:44
Speaker 2: list because the two things that Drake may struggled a
1:14:48
Speaker 2: little bit against, especially when the opponents got better, were
1:14:53
Speaker 2: all out pressure like Cover zero blitzes and Cover six.
1:14:56
Speaker 2: And so what is every team on their schedule that
1:14:59
Speaker 2: has the horses to execute it while gonna do all
1:15:02
Speaker 2: of next year? They're gonna run Cover six and they're
1:15:04
Speaker 2: gonna run pressure, and so at that point, like that,
1:15:07
Speaker 2: that becomes a blueprint, and you have to be able
1:15:09
Speaker 2: to beat the blueprint. So, really good question. I think
1:15:12
Speaker 2: that that's something that I think about a time because
1:15:15
Speaker 2: I'm a nerd. But I hope that you know they're
1:15:17
Speaker 2: thinking about a ton too, and I'm sure they are
1:15:19
Speaker 2: down the street as well. To his second question revisiting
1:15:23
Speaker 2: the kill, Harry versus A. J. Brown, we both covered
1:15:25
Speaker 2: the team at the time. Yeah, it was.
1:15:27
Speaker 1: It was the first draft we worked together.
1:15:28
Speaker 2: It was pretty surprising, if I remember correctly, that they
1:15:30
Speaker 2: drafted a receiver at all, because Belichick never had right.
1:15:33
Speaker 2: It is the first time they had ever drafted a
1:15:35
Speaker 2: receiver in the first round. Now it was the thirty second.
1:15:37
Speaker 1: We thought they were gonna who did we think they
1:15:38
Speaker 1: were gonna take?
1:15:40
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
1:15:40
Speaker 1: I think we were looking well, Drew lock was one
1:15:42
Speaker 1: of them.
1:15:43
Speaker 2: We thought you were going to take a quarterback.
1:15:45
Speaker 1: Yeah we did.
1:15:46
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:15:46
Speaker 1: It was like late stage Brady get the next guy
1:15:49
Speaker 1: in the room.
1:15:49
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe yeah, I don't remember that. I don't remember.
1:15:54
Speaker 1: There were a bunch of tackles. I think we were
1:15:56
Speaker 1: talking about so taken as win the year before. I
1:15:59
Speaker 1: don't remember. Irv Smith was a big one.
1:16:01
Speaker 2: Yep, the tight end from Alabama, right, Yep, didn't have
1:16:04
Speaker 2: a great NFL.
1:16:05
Speaker 1: Career, jj R saying a white side. I remember a
1:16:07
Speaker 1: lot of people talking about Andy as a belle. I
1:16:09
Speaker 1: don't think he's probably weren't projected first.
1:16:10
Speaker 2: Round now, but so I would say the biggest I
1:16:15
Speaker 2: can't justify it, honestly. The reporting at the time and
1:16:19
Speaker 2: and the aftermath was, if you want to believe, like
1:16:23
Speaker 2: the sort of vindictive side of Bill Belichick, was that
1:16:27
Speaker 2: aj Brown posted a snapchat or something like that of
1:16:29
Speaker 2: him in the parking lot here and kind of broke
1:16:32
Speaker 2: the news that he was on the visit on his
1:16:34
Speaker 2: own personal social media, and I didn't like that too much.
1:16:37
Speaker 2: If you want to believe that, you know, Nikhil Harry
1:16:40
Speaker 2: knocked his visit out of the park and was like
1:16:42
Speaker 2: kind of just great in the building, great on the
1:16:44
Speaker 2: white board, you know, had a really good thirty visit.
1:16:48
Speaker 2: AJ Brown. Maybe they didn't feel had quite as good
1:16:50
Speaker 2: of a visit. Sometimes that swayed it if you want
1:16:53
Speaker 2: to look football wise, because it's so hard to look
1:16:55
Speaker 2: football wise when you're comparing to kill Harry to AJ Brown.
1:16:59
Speaker 2: But if you want to look football like, maybe a
1:17:00
Speaker 2: little bit more size, just in terms of height, you know,
1:17:03
Speaker 2: like literally just height. Yeah, they I think Nikhil Harry
1:17:06
Speaker 2: was like, what six three six y four?
1:17:08
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:17:08
Speaker 2: AJ Brown's like six' one on a good. DAY i
1:17:11
Speaker 2: can't really come up with a great football reason for.
1:17:14
Speaker 2: It but they were in the same sort of, mold
1:17:18
Speaker 2: like they were similar. PLAYERS i don't say that's part.
1:17:21
Speaker 1: Of what the surprise was was he was so not their.
1:17:23
Speaker 1: PROTOTYPE i think you had said at the, time AND
1:17:24
Speaker 1: i still feel this. Way the real second guess if
1:17:28
Speaker 1: you put yourself in that, moment and it's really easy
1:17:30
Speaker 1: to second great GUESS Aj brown Or deebo WAS dk metcalf,
1:17:35
Speaker 1: right like these guys that we just saw become. Stars,
1:17:38
Speaker 1: yeah but they didn't fit the. Profile now you could, Argue,
1:17:42
Speaker 1: okay they should have drifted from the profile receiver they
1:17:45
Speaker 1: were drafting because it wasn't. Working, fine but they d
1:17:47
Speaker 1: a type they kept drafting that. TYPE Aj brown wasn't that.
1:17:49
Speaker 1: Type neither Was. Nikkeel the second guess Was terry. McLaurin,
1:17:53
Speaker 1: yeah Because terry McLaurin was, There Like terry mcclaurin would
1:17:57
Speaker 1: not have been out of place for them as a
1:17:59
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Pick nikkeel was A J brown would have
1:18:01
Speaker 1: BEEN Dk metcalf would have Been terry McLaurin was the
1:18:03
Speaker 1: kind of wide receiver they'd been drafting the whole. Time
1:18:06
Speaker 1: but then look at what he. Became, obviously you want
1:18:09
Speaker 1: the consensus mock for The patriots that, year twenty. Nineteen,
1:18:14
Speaker 1: Yeah so at the, draft the most popular mocked player
1:18:17
Speaker 1: to The, Patriots this one actually makes a lot of
1:18:19
Speaker 1: sense WAS Irv, smith but there wasn't a strong. Consensus
1:18:23
Speaker 1: he was only at seventeen. Percent the next most common
1:18:26
Speaker 1: mock picks for them Were Noah, Fant, Yeah Jeffrey, Simmons Jerry,
1:18:31
Speaker 1: Tillery Drew, locke And Will.
1:18:34
Speaker 2: Greer SO i was a Big tillery. Guy now that
1:18:36
Speaker 2: a kick or jogging my. MEMORY i remember being pretty
1:18:39
Speaker 2: high On tillery and he was like a Classic belichick two,
1:18:43
Speaker 2: gapping three four defensive end type of. PLAYER i remember
1:18:46
Speaker 2: THAT i the biggest thing to me With Nikhil, harry
1:18:50
Speaker 2: AND i think that maybe this is somewhat relevant to
1:18:54
Speaker 2: The patriots. Today Although drake may is a different kind
1:18:56
Speaker 2: of quarterback obviously Than Tom. Brady my whole thing didn't
1:19:00
Speaker 2: understand what the way they approached drafting receivers. Is what
1:19:03
Speaker 2: they should have really been looking for was a more
1:19:06
Speaker 2: Athletic Jacobe, myers like a player that had that cerebral
1:19:09
Speaker 2: ability that had to you, Know Jacoby myers had a quarterback.
1:19:12
Speaker 2: Background maybe it's a guy or the quarterback, background but
1:19:15
Speaker 2: Basically Jacoby, myers but like hopefully with the higher ceiling
1:19:20
Speaker 2: and a better athletic. Profile and instead they drafted a
1:19:23
Speaker 2: guy Like Nikhil harry who was slower and couldn't run
1:19:26
Speaker 2: routes and didn't really know how to run a, great you,
1:19:29
Speaker 2: know diverse route, tree and it just wasn't a system.
1:19:31
Speaker 2: Fit they Draft Taekwon, thorion AND i know it's a
1:19:34
Speaker 2: little bit of a different, system but same general. System
1:19:38
Speaker 2: they Draft Taekwon, thoron who's a one trick you, know,
1:19:40
Speaker 2: Speedster like they. Didn't to, me that was. It and
1:19:43
Speaker 2: maybe they tried to do that With Jalen polk and
1:19:45
Speaker 2: that also didn't. Work but that was A vp and
1:19:48
Speaker 2: that was not the same. Offense you, know we'll. See but,
1:19:51
Speaker 2: like to, me that was always the biggest second guest
1:19:53
Speaker 2: With belichick is, like, okay so you could Identify Jacobe,
1:19:57
Speaker 2: myers you can Identify Julian edelman at the back end
1:19:59
Speaker 2: of the just draft that guy but drafted with the
1:20:02
Speaker 2: four to four instead of a four. Six, Yeah, LIKE
1:20:05
Speaker 2: i don't know why that had to be so.
1:20:07
Speaker 1: Difficult, so, uh mock draft database has a couple other
1:20:10
Speaker 1: mocks here from twenty. Nineteen some Networks i've never heard
1:20:12
Speaker 1: had them Going Jerry tillery And Deebo samuel with their first.
1:20:15
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1:20:16
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1:20:22
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1:20:25
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1:20:31
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1:20:34
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1:20:38
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1:20:40
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1:20:44
Speaker 1: Sealings media And Evan. Lazar in twenty, nineteen first, Round Jerry, Tillery.
1:20:49
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1:20:51
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1:20:51
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1:20:55
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1:20:58
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1:21:01
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1:21:05
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1:21:07
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1:21:11
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1:21:16
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1:21:19
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1:21:22
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1:21:26
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1:21:28
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1:21:30
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1:21:31
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1:21:36
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1:21:39
Speaker 2: the Miss.
1:21:39
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1:21:42
Speaker 1: THE Nfl Josh nyman playing in the league up until last. Year,
1:21:47
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1:21:51
Speaker 1: alright he ended up going. Undrafted it was a good
1:21:53
Speaker 1: career from undrafted.
1:21:53
Speaker 2: PLAYER i like that exercise because it holds us, accountable you,
1:21:57
Speaker 2: know shows up some of our, misses WHICH i feel
1:21:59
Speaker 2: like people ask him out all the, time like who
1:22:01
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1:22:02
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1:22:04
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1:22:06
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1:22:07
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1:22:09
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1:22:12
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1:22:12
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1:22:18
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1:22:22
Speaker 2: in the, car what's, Up? Mike, hey what's, up, Guys,
1:22:26
Speaker 2: hey how are we? Doing first?
1:22:29
Speaker 1: Time long?
1:22:29
Speaker 2: Time thanks for taking the, Call thanks for calling.
1:22:31
Speaker 13: ME i just wanted to ask About, yeah, THANKS i
1:22:34
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1:22:37
Speaker 13: DRAFTED i feel like there was a lot of talk
1:22:39
Speaker 13: about him, being you, know kind of a swift leg
1:22:41
Speaker 13: back where he could catch just as well as he
1:22:44
Speaker 13: could run and be a really versatile element of the past.
1:22:46
Speaker 13: GAME i feel like last, Year i'm NOT i don't
1:22:49
Speaker 13: have the stats on, this But remandre took more more
1:22:52
Speaker 13: passes than he, did and you, KNOW i Know OTA's
1:22:55
Speaker 13: and stuff is basically like a passing. Camp So i'm
1:22:57
Speaker 13: just curious what have you guys seen from him in
1:23:00
Speaker 13: terms of, like has he been catching, passes has he
1:23:02
Speaker 13: been used a certain?
1:23:03
Speaker 6: Way and then what.
1:23:04
Speaker 13: Way would you like to see him be? Used maybe
1:23:07
Speaker 13: in the, Future but thanks for the, call, Guest.
1:23:09
Speaker 2: Thanks for the, Call mike and.
1:23:10
Speaker 1: Listening last, Year henderson called thirty five passes in seventeen.
1:23:13
Speaker 1: Games romandre caught thirty two and fourteen.
1:23:15
Speaker 2: Games SO i think that to the number one biggest
1:23:18
Speaker 2: thing THAT i would like to See Trayvon henderson do
1:23:21
Speaker 2: more is run vertical routes out of the. BACKFIELD i,
1:23:23
Speaker 2: mean with that kind of, speed if you can get
1:23:25
Speaker 2: him on a wheel, route you can get, him you,
1:23:27
Speaker 2: know get him into the, seams anything really vertically up the.
1:23:31
Speaker 2: FIELD i think he could be a nightmare for. Linebackers
1:23:34
Speaker 2: all of these things about diversifying his role and having
1:23:37
Speaker 2: him be more of a complete, player they'll come back
1:23:39
Speaker 2: to pass. Blocking, like if he can't pass, block he's
1:23:42
Speaker 2: not going to be on the field on third. Down
1:23:44
Speaker 2: if he's not on the field on third, down he's
1:23:45
Speaker 2: not going to do all the things that we want
1:23:47
Speaker 2: to see him. DO i think he could be a
1:23:49
Speaker 2: really effective player on vertical. ROUTES i think he can
1:23:52
Speaker 2: be effective player on. SCREENS i thought at times on
1:23:55
Speaker 2: screens last year his pacing was a little bit. Off
1:23:57
Speaker 2: he was moving a little too. Fast he's got a
1:23:59
Speaker 2: lot of his block you, know develop a little bit.
1:24:01
Speaker 2: More but in, THEORY i don't think That Trayvon henderson's
1:24:04
Speaker 2: issues or lack of production in the passing game was
1:24:07
Speaker 2: because of his receiving. ABILITY i think it was because
1:24:09
Speaker 2: of his blocking. Ability and if he can't block, better
1:24:12
Speaker 2: then they're not going to put him on the field
1:24:13
Speaker 2: And remandre is one of the best pass blockers in
1:24:16
Speaker 2: the league at that. Position so it's not just that
1:24:18
Speaker 2: you have to be better in terms Of Trevon, henderson
1:24:21
Speaker 2: but you have to at least be in the ballpark
1:24:23
Speaker 2: Of Ramandra stevenson to make your play speed worth it
1:24:26
Speaker 2: to put it on the. Field so that would be
1:24:28
Speaker 2: my big thing With henderson and he talked about that
1:24:30
Speaker 2: was it last week when we talked to. Him, yeah
1:24:33
Speaker 2: that those were the areas this time of, year in
1:24:35
Speaker 2: these passing camps that he was really working. On AND
1:24:38
Speaker 2: i think that's that spot on like him being a
1:24:41
Speaker 2: better pass, blocker better in foots pick up will allow
1:24:45
Speaker 2: them to unlock. THINGS i go back. TO i, know
1:24:48
Speaker 2: you know this wasn't, here so a lot of people weren't.
1:24:50
Speaker 2: There but when we were In minnesota last year for
1:24:53
Speaker 2: the joint, practices he caught a wheel route out of
1:24:56
Speaker 2: the backfield in one of the team. Periods had to
1:25:00
Speaker 2: have been like a sixty five yard.
1:25:02
Speaker 1: Touchdown, yeah and he just was.
1:25:04
Speaker 2: Gone AND i remember The vikings media had talked With
1:25:10
Speaker 2: Brian flores and it came up With Brian flores And
1:25:13
Speaker 2: Brian flores was just blown away By Travon. HENDERSON i
1:25:16
Speaker 2: Think devin mccordy hadn't mentioned it on the broadcast of
1:25:19
Speaker 2: that preseason. GAME i would love to be able to
1:25:22
Speaker 2: see more of that and see more of his field
1:25:25
Speaker 2: stretching ability out of the. Backfield but he's got to
1:25:27
Speaker 2: be able to, block, so you, know that's the biggest
1:25:29
Speaker 2: thing to. Me that's his in my. OPINION i know
1:25:32
Speaker 2: a lot of people talk about him running the ball
1:25:34
Speaker 2: and the reds inside and. THINGS i don't ever really
1:25:37
Speaker 2: fully expect him to be a great interior, runner BUT
1:25:41
Speaker 2: i would really like to see his game develop in
1:25:44
Speaker 2: terms of the.
1:25:44
Speaker 1: Passage, yeah and he's such a good screen. Player, yeah
1:25:47
Speaker 1: but you got to be able to block to be
1:25:48
Speaker 1: out there in the passing game for.
1:25:49
Speaker 2: Sure, Yep sean is In. Vancouver what's, Up? Sean?
1:25:54
Speaker 12: Yeah you know on Ste heye had an amazing. SEASON
1:25:59
Speaker 12: i COULDN'T i could him to do any better over
1:26:02
Speaker 12: a thousand. Yards great, leadership, amazing like everything thrown to.
1:26:07
Speaker 12: Him but The patriots managed him to be successful and
1:26:13
Speaker 12: maintain his playing time throughly off the year by just
1:26:17
Speaker 12: having him do less than fifty five percent of. Snaps
1:26:21
Speaker 12: he's not a run, blocker so he's not going to
1:26:24
Speaker 12: be on the field when they're running the. Ball, WELL A.
1:26:26
Speaker 12: J BROWN i see. DIFFERENTLY i, mean he had but
1:26:29
Speaker 12: eighty five percent snap play with The eagles last. Season he's,
1:26:33
Speaker 12: bigger he can run. BLOCK i can see him being
1:26:36
Speaker 12: on the field even like in twenty two, personnel if
1:26:38
Speaker 12: he's the lone, receiver he might be the. One SO
1:26:41
Speaker 12: i think it'll be. DIFFERENT i, MEAN i don't expect
1:26:43
Speaker 12: him to have the crazy efficiency That dix, had BUT
1:26:47
Speaker 12: i think The patriots will Play brown quite a bit
1:26:50
Speaker 12: differently than they Did.
1:26:51
Speaker 6: Dicks And i'll leave you with, that Thanks.
1:26:53
Speaker 2: Sean, YEAH i, mean he's a different kind of, player
1:26:56
Speaker 2: AND i think the part that excites me not that
1:26:58
Speaker 2: there's anything wrong with How digs got to a thousand
1:27:01
Speaker 2: yards last, year but what excites me ABOUT Aj brown
1:27:04
Speaker 2: is that you know him being a TRUE x and
1:27:07
Speaker 2: that ability to stretch the field but also take coverage
1:27:11
Speaker 2: away from the middle of the. Field you still have
1:27:13
Speaker 2: guys Like Romeo, Dobbs, Hunter henry Pop. Douglas you know
1:27:17
Speaker 2: he's on the field that can really win in those
1:27:20
Speaker 2: intermediate areas between the numbers AND Aj brown taking number
1:27:24
Speaker 2: one corner, attention maybe taking safety attention with him is
1:27:28
Speaker 2: really just going to open it, up whereas with The
1:27:31
Speaker 2: patriots last year it was kind of like clamped down
1:27:33
Speaker 2: on the middle of the, field kind of like the
1:27:35
Speaker 2: Old brady playbook at, times Where diggs was sort of the.
1:27:39
Speaker 2: ENGINE i think in some ways it's easier to double
1:27:44
Speaker 2: guys that are inside versus double guys that are, outside
1:27:46
Speaker 2: because you can bracket them when they're, inside, Right whereas
1:27:49
Speaker 2: with when you double a guy on the. Outside AND
1:27:51
Speaker 2: i don't know IF Aj brown at this point of
1:27:53
Speaker 2: his career is like truly a bracket, Player LIKE i
1:27:55
Speaker 2: don't know if he's THAT Aj brown sixteen hundred YARD
1:27:58
Speaker 2: Aj brown, Anymore but when you double a guy on
1:28:01
Speaker 2: the on the, outside it's basically like you're. Pulling now
1:28:06
Speaker 2: you have to cover everybody else with only nine, guys,
1:28:08
Speaker 2: Right like it's you're taking a lot more, uh you're
1:28:12
Speaker 2: creating a lot more space between the numbers by doing.
1:28:15
Speaker 2: That whereas If diggs is, inside you can kind of
1:28:19
Speaker 2: just put a corner on, him give him the linebacker
1:28:21
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field as sort of a help,
1:28:23
Speaker 2: defender give him the safety over the, top and he's
1:28:26
Speaker 2: really kind of bracketed in there on the. Inside good
1:28:29
Speaker 2: defenses can do that and kind of take away those
1:28:32
Speaker 2: types of. Guys it's a lot harder to take away
1:28:34
Speaker 2: the outside, guy by my, opinion just.
1:28:36
Speaker 1: Spacing, yeah SO.
1:28:39
Speaker 2: I think that's what excites me the most About. Brown
1:28:42
Speaker 2: but one of the other things That sean mentioned was
1:28:44
Speaker 2: him playing a lot of snaps In, philly especially if they,
1:28:48
Speaker 2: maintain you, know their, depth they will see About Kayshawn.
1:28:50
Speaker 2: BOOTY i actually expect them to manage him a lot
1:28:53
Speaker 2: more MANAGE i.
1:28:55
Speaker 1: Don't how many what percentage do you play last? Year you?
1:28:57
Speaker 2: KNOW i Think sean said like eighty eight, percent which
1:28:59
Speaker 2: sounds about, right almost ninety. PERCENT i DON'T i.
1:29:02
Speaker 1: Think his number should be higher than fifty five. Percent
1:29:04
Speaker 1: oh either we should still be in like the seventies he,
1:29:07
Speaker 1: played not in ninety one, Percent, yeah between the fifteen.
1:29:12
Speaker 1: Games so, yeah he should be on the Field Morton diggs.
1:29:16
Speaker 2: Was, yeah he definitely will be on the field more
1:29:18
Speaker 2: Than diggs. Was BUT i do think that they will
1:29:20
Speaker 2: try to manage him better Than philly.
1:29:22
Speaker 6: Did.
1:29:22
Speaker 1: Yep uh Now.
1:29:23
Speaker 2: Philly at, times he's kind of just running wind sprints
1:29:26
Speaker 2: and taking attention out. There it's not like he's really
1:29:29
Speaker 2: AND i, think you, know he got flack for the
1:29:32
Speaker 2: fact that he took some routes, off but it's, like,
1:29:33
Speaker 2: well he's a, Decoy like it's what he's doing so
1:29:37
Speaker 2: that that. Happens matt is In. Tennessee what's, Up?
1:29:40
Speaker 14: Matt, hey, guys how y'all doing? Good HETE. I, so
1:29:47
Speaker 14: So I'm i'm super excited about this Aj brown. Thing
1:29:50
Speaker 14: BUT i have to ask. Sy'all so This Christian gonzales
1:29:53
Speaker 14: situation is really really bothering. Me SO i want my
1:29:57
Speaker 14: question for you guys is when do you guys this being,
1:30:00
Speaker 14: resolved and if it's not, resolved how far how far
1:30:05
Speaker 14: into the season do you think this may go or
1:30:07
Speaker 14: how do you think it would Affect Christian gonzalez play
1:30:09
Speaker 14: for the. Year i'll let you.
1:30:10
Speaker 6: All let y'all answer.
1:30:11
Speaker 12: That thank.
1:30:11
Speaker 2: You Thanks. MATT i have no inside, information but, YEAH
1:30:16
Speaker 2: i would think that the idea would be for both
1:30:18
Speaker 2: sides to get this done by the start of training. Camp,
1:30:21
Speaker 2: now maybe it will be the you, know they they
1:30:25
Speaker 2: report on the twenty. Fourth maybe he's signing the contract
1:30:28
Speaker 2: on the twenty fourth and they agree to it on
1:30:30
Speaker 2: the twenty. Third BUT i think the idea would be
1:30:32
Speaker 2: to get it done by the started training. Camp most
1:30:35
Speaker 2: of the, time And i'm not saying that this is
1:30:37
Speaker 2: a great way to do, business but most of the
1:30:39
Speaker 2: time a player In Christian, gonzalez the situation is going
1:30:43
Speaker 2: to play. LIKE i don't think he's going to hold
1:30:45
Speaker 2: out into the regular season and lose game checks and
1:30:48
Speaker 2: things like. That that's not that that's very very.
1:30:50
Speaker 1: Rare so, again the timeline from last year with the
1:30:53
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Class the year Before, Gonzales Derek stingly
1:30:57
Speaker 1: signed On march twenty. Seventh he was. First Tyler smith
1:31:00
Speaker 1: And Charles cross signed the last week Of. April Garrett
1:31:02
Speaker 1: wilson signed On july. Fourteenth Sauce gardner signed On july.
1:31:05
Speaker 1: Fifteenth Kyle, hamilton who participated in mini camp and training,
1:31:08
Speaker 1: camp didn't sign To august twenty. Seventh, yeah he didn't
1:31:11
Speaker 1: sign till after, camp and then you had guys signed
1:31:14
Speaker 1: into the. Season Aiden, hutchinson now he's coming off an.
1:31:16
Speaker 1: Injury he signed On october twenty. Ninth, yeah to take
1:31:20
Speaker 1: it a step. Further the one other notable corner from
1:31:22
Speaker 1: that first, Round tred, McDuffie never. Signed trent McDuffie played
1:31:26
Speaker 1: the whole year extension, eligible then got, traded and then
1:31:30
Speaker 1: obviously got the extension after he got. Traded so, YEAH
1:31:33
Speaker 1: i look at some point In july probably closer to
1:31:36
Speaker 1: camp than. NOT i think is a more Realistic. Tom
1:31:40
Speaker 1: And i've said this the POINT i actually start to
1:31:41
Speaker 1: worry a little bits if he's not out there for padded. Practices,
1:31:45
Speaker 1: yeah that's WHERE i would start to. Worry, yeah that's
1:31:48
Speaker 1: HOW i feel about.
1:31:49
Speaker 2: It Is, again like we said earlier on in the,
1:31:52
Speaker 2: show if they were worlds apart in this negotiation and
1:31:56
Speaker 2: it was starting to turn, SOUR i just don't think
1:31:59
Speaker 2: he would would be participating at any level in mini, camp,
1:32:02
Speaker 2: Right AND i know that he hasn't done any live you,
1:32:05
Speaker 2: know team drills or eleven on, eleven's but even going
1:32:09
Speaker 2: through with the walkthroughs and going through the walk crews
1:32:11
Speaker 2: in his normal, spot you, know on the other side
1:32:14
Speaker 2: Of Carlton davis with the starting defense and then going
1:32:17
Speaker 2: and doing a press conference after the practice with The
1:32:20
Speaker 2: patriots gear and The patriots. Backdrop, LIKE i don't think
1:32:24
Speaker 2: that this is a situation at this point where he's
1:32:27
Speaker 2: considering holding out of camp or even were worlds away
1:32:31
Speaker 2: from him holding out of, games, Right SO i don't.
1:32:34
Speaker 2: KNOW i think right now they're tracking for it to get.
1:32:38
Speaker 1: Done.
1:32:38
Speaker 2: YEAH i don't know if we'll get, there if they'll
1:32:41
Speaker 2: get it across the finish, line BUT i feel like
1:32:43
Speaker 2: that's where it's tracking to. Go let's answer some of
1:32:47
Speaker 2: these emails.
1:32:48
Speaker 1: Real, quick because they did it to you on some
1:32:49
Speaker 1: Old mont.
1:32:50
Speaker 2: Drafts, yeah give, me give me a. Couple, okay this
1:32:53
Speaker 2: is me in twenty. Twenty oh, Good so this.
1:32:55
Speaker 1: Is The copdugger. Draft this was THE covid, year so,
1:32:57
Speaker 1: yeah the tough. One, YEAH i THINK i did this
1:32:59
Speaker 1: just before go fur lowed first, Round xavier, McKinney, yeah second,
1:33:04
Speaker 1: Round Cole, comet third, Round Michael, pittman fourth, Round Shane
1:33:08
Speaker 1: lemieue sixth, Round Mohammed Barry Tyler bass seventh, Round Alex,
1:33:12
Speaker 1: Taylor Stanford, samuels And Brian lourkey who did end up
1:33:15
Speaker 1: A patriot as at U dfa not, bad, uh, McKinney,
1:33:19
Speaker 1: Comet pittman off the rip pretty.
1:33:21
Speaker 2: Good, Yeah pittman was a good.
1:33:23
Speaker 1: One and THEN i found a couple of my twenty
1:33:26
Speaker 1: twenty one ones as. Well so twenty this is the
1:33:27
Speaker 1: Mac jones here, YEAP i had them sticking and picking a,
1:33:32
Speaker 1: Linebacker Patrick, queen good byer then trading up For Cole oh,
1:33:37
Speaker 1: wait maybe this was twenty, twenty BECAUSE i have Cole comet,
1:33:40
Speaker 1: again this might be data Was Patrick queen twenty?
1:33:42
Speaker 2: TWENTY i don't. REMEMBER i thought he was twenty?
1:33:44
Speaker 1: One he, said, okay this is dated, wrong this is
1:33:47
Speaker 1: this was twenty. Twenty it says was posted in twenty.
1:33:49
Speaker 1: One but So Patrick, queen Cole, Comet Shane, lemue this
1:33:53
Speaker 1: is actually very. Similar Van. JEFFERSON i think we're both really.
1:33:56
Speaker 2: In A Van. Jefferson you really liked Cole.
1:33:57
Speaker 1: COMETT i Did Tanner, Muse tyler bass Uh owl And Wholway.
1:34:04
Speaker 2: BATIKO i remember Weird Tanner muse was a name that
1:34:07
Speaker 2: came out but a lot on our shows at that.
1:34:10
Speaker 1: Point, okay here is a. One, okay so this was
1:34:16
Speaker 1: The Mac jones. CLASS i did not have to take
1:34:17
Speaker 1: in a. Quarterback, NO i Was Christian. Barmore, RIGHT i
1:34:21
Speaker 1: had one With Mac. Jones BUT i think this was
1:34:23
Speaker 1: like they recommitted to cam AND i was, like all,
1:34:24
Speaker 1: RIGHT i Guess i'm not gonna take. Quarterback, Yeah Christian
1:34:27
Speaker 1: derek Saw Eric, Stokes Dimitric, Felton Jonathan, Allen Kiris.
1:34:33
Speaker 2: Tonga Dimitric. Felton we we everybody loved the dimitricon.
1:34:37
Speaker 1: Now Kiris, Tonga Felipe franks and Uh Felipe.
1:34:43
Speaker 2: Franks was you Loved Felipe? Franks, yeah you were so
1:34:46
Speaker 2: into that position. Switch and then who was?
1:34:49
Speaker 1: This so this is. Weird this one's only the pictures
1:34:51
Speaker 1: because it got posted. Weird Grant, STEWART i, think is
1:34:54
Speaker 1: what this guy's name. Was so he was, like uh,
1:34:56
Speaker 1: Yeah Grant. Stewart he's still in the. League he was
1:34:59
Speaker 1: a undersize lined acker From. Houston he was like a
1:35:01
Speaker 1: special teams guy's on the.
1:35:02
Speaker 2: Rams, NOW i there was another name you mentioned there
1:35:04
Speaker 2: THAT i read it to me, Again Jonathan. Adams oh,
1:35:07
Speaker 2: No Darris. Out darrisau was one of those. Guys yeah
1:35:10
Speaker 2: that like when you want to if you want to
1:35:13
Speaker 2: like set your eyes to try to do some of
1:35:15
Speaker 2: your own like at home. Scouting, yeah if you want
1:35:18
Speaker 2: to watch what a first round tackle is supposed to look,
1:35:21
Speaker 2: like go Watch Christian Darris out in. College like his
1:35:24
Speaker 2: college tape was, dominant like absolutely. Dominant he's been a
1:35:28
Speaker 2: GREAT nfl. PLAYER i know he was hurt last, year,
1:35:30
Speaker 2: right he got banged. Up, yeah but he he's been a,
1:35:33
Speaker 2: dominant dominant college. Tape like when you turned On Christian
1:35:37
Speaker 2: darrisow where was It Virginia? Tech, yes, yeah he was
1:35:41
Speaker 2: just mullin, dudes AND i was, Like, wow this guy's
1:35:44
Speaker 2: this is what it was supposed to look. Like he
1:35:46
Speaker 2: went a couple of picks ahead of, them, right thirteen
1:35:49
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen thinks.
1:35:50
Speaker 1: So yeah him in another, tackle him And, Slater.
1:35:54
Speaker 2: Yeah stud stud. Played oh, no Did deris go before?
1:35:57
Speaker 1: Them slater went. THIRTEEN i thought he went before. Them
1:36:00
Speaker 1: darriss went because that was also The pina sool here
1:36:03
Speaker 1: And Vera Tucker.
1:36:04
Speaker 2: Farah tucker, Went, wow what a.
1:36:06
Speaker 1: Draft, No darrisaw went twenty. Third oh, wow so it
1:36:09
Speaker 1: WAS i must have gotten. Him sewell went. Seventh, Yeah
1:36:11
Speaker 1: slater went. THIRTEENTH i was getting the mixed up that whole.
1:36:14
Speaker 1: Year Alex leatherwood win, seventeenth Jeez, Raiders Darris saw went twenty,
1:36:18
Speaker 1: third and then that was it for tackles in the first.
1:36:21
Speaker 1: Round Tevin jenkins went thirty, Ninth Lea mikenberg in the
1:36:24
Speaker 1: second round to Actually Walker little kept going to the second. Round,
1:36:28
Speaker 1: YEAH i Think sam caused me had a decent career
1:36:30
Speaker 1: more at. Guard but, Yeah dylan Ray duns another guy
1:36:33
Speaker 1: who had a good career at. Guard this was a
1:36:36
Speaker 1: really good tackle. Draft, yeah but, yeah Darrisawng.
1:36:39
Speaker 2: Went what was the concern with?
1:36:40
Speaker 5: Him was he?
1:36:41
Speaker 1: HURT i think he was. HURT i don't.
1:36:42
Speaker 2: Know he was a hell of a college. Player and
1:36:45
Speaker 2: his tape was just like, That LIKE i said, that
1:36:48
Speaker 2: that's what it's supposed to look like to be a
1:36:50
Speaker 2: first round.
1:36:50
Speaker 1: Talent because it wasn't arm, length because it was arm
1:36:53
Speaker 1: length FOR i think injury sounds. Right it was arm
1:36:56
Speaker 1: length for what's his? Name the other, One, Slater.
1:36:59
Speaker 2: Yeah who was a good right on the thirty three
1:37:01
Speaker 2: and really kind of he measured at thirty three kind
1:37:04
Speaker 2: of reset the threshold. Permanently.
1:37:06
Speaker 1: Right the weaknesses the lance zerline weaknesses For derisol can
1:37:09
Speaker 1: be too nonchalant at, times inexplicably lets opponents off the
1:37:13
Speaker 1: hook early rather than, finishing too reliant upon athletics and over,
1:37:17
Speaker 1: technique low, hands open outside, hip so all. Techniques, yeah
1:37:21
Speaker 1: lazy with hand, placement rushes. Through so they just thought
1:37:24
Speaker 1: he it kind of that Same gonzales. Thing it's not
1:37:26
Speaker 1: they didn't know if he.
1:37:27
Speaker 2: Was sometimes on that he's bocking guys ten to fifteen
1:37:31
Speaker 2: yards down the.
1:37:31
Speaker 1: Field you hear. It the low burn field demeanor leads
1:37:34
Speaker 1: to inconsistencies in, play but the athletic traits and talent
1:37:37
Speaker 1: as a true left tackle should create first round demand
1:37:40
Speaker 1: as a higher, ceiling lower floor prospect stud. Player it's
1:37:44
Speaker 1: fun to revisit this stuff sometimes because we lock in
1:37:47
Speaker 1: on this stuff and then it's so much and it's, Like, okay,
1:37:49
Speaker 1: well let's see what they said About christian because that's
1:37:51
Speaker 1: something THAT i would read AND i would look at
1:37:53
Speaker 1: AND i would say that worries, me and the same With.
1:37:56
Speaker 1: Gonzales it worried. People and now look where we.
1:37:58
Speaker 2: ARE i have a really bad AND i wish That
1:38:01
Speaker 2: i'm trying to get better at it because it's good
1:38:03
Speaker 2: to know the players in the. League, obviously of, like
1:38:06
Speaker 2: as soon as they don't draft the guy THAT i
1:38:08
Speaker 2: did a lot of research, on all their research just
1:38:10
Speaker 2: goes puff out of my.
1:38:12
Speaker 1: Head now that we've done this long, enough it'll hit
1:38:14
Speaker 1: me four years. Later i'll be, LIKE i remember this
1:38:15
Speaker 1: guy from the. DRAFT i remember this guy from the.
1:38:17
Speaker 1: Draft BUT i Think i'm more of a. Habit it
1:38:19
Speaker 1: doesn't go out of my. Head but it's more LIKE
1:38:21
Speaker 1: i remember HOW i felt about them at the, draft
1:38:23
Speaker 1: and that's HOW i feel about.
1:38:24
Speaker 2: Them oh, WELL i think executives in the league.
1:38:27
Speaker 1: With, that but, LIKE i, KNOW i need to better
1:38:29
Speaker 1: about all of. Them, Right it's, like, hey this guy's
1:38:32
Speaker 1: played four years. Now if a guy comes like the
1:38:34
Speaker 1: year after the, draft that may be more inclined to,
1:38:36
Speaker 1: That But i've definitely been guilty of that at.
1:38:39
Speaker 2: All, well it's good not only because they might be
1:38:41
Speaker 2: playing those, players AND i have a tendency of that,
1:38:43
Speaker 2: too where you, KNOW I i go back, to, oh
1:38:47
Speaker 2: here are some of the weaknesses of this, player and
1:38:48
Speaker 2: it's really just the WEAKNESSES i thought of him coming
1:38:50
Speaker 2: out of the. Draft. Right but even, still like four
1:38:54
Speaker 2: or five years from, now those guys are all going
1:38:55
Speaker 2: to be free, agents and you know there might be
1:38:57
Speaker 2: a chance for them to sign maxi on a chor
1:38:59
Speaker 2: or Fat cowl or you, know one of these guys
1:39:02
Speaker 2: THAT i talked about for six.
1:39:03
Speaker 1: Months, again the first draft we really did was twenty,
1:39:05
Speaker 1: nineteen and so nineteen twenty, THREE i remember that offseason
1:39:11
Speaker 1: feeling LIKE i suddenly had this massive jump in knowing
1:39:15
Speaker 1: the players around the, league like, well and not just
1:39:17
Speaker 1: names and all, that and like. That that's part of
1:39:19
Speaker 1: the reason we dive so deep into the, draft like
1:39:21
Speaker 1: you're learning what the league is gonna. Be, YEAH i
1:39:24
Speaker 1: remember you were a BIG avt guy, Right, yes that.
1:39:28
Speaker 1: Year so let me let me ask you this to
1:39:32
Speaker 1: kind of bring this exercise to the Current. Patriots remembering
1:39:35
Speaker 1: what you said About avt at the time to, now
1:39:39
Speaker 1: was there a big? Change i'll see IF i can
1:39:41
Speaker 1: find anything you wrote About elive very. Time, WELL i.
1:39:44
Speaker 2: Wish he had stayed, healthier LIKE i.
1:39:45
Speaker 1: Think, yeah he's a tough.
1:39:46
Speaker 2: One that was something that we can couldn't. PREDICT i
1:39:49
Speaker 2: thought that his tape was really solid at, tackle but
1:39:53
Speaker 2: probably better at. Guard BUT i really liked him coming,
1:39:57
Speaker 2: out super, athletic great.
1:39:59
Speaker 1: Feet you at the time saw him as more of a, Tackle.
1:40:02
Speaker 2: YEAH i. Believe so IF i remember, CORRECTLY i probably
1:40:05
Speaker 2: could pull my spreadsheet up from that YEAR i. WAS
1:40:07
Speaker 2: i really liked. Him, NOW i have a bias TOWARDS usc,
1:40:10
Speaker 2: Players i'll just admit that off the, Top BUT i
1:40:13
Speaker 2: really liked, him AND i think they really liked him.
1:40:15
Speaker 2: Too if the reporting was, CORRECT i think that there
1:40:17
Speaker 2: were people in the, room maybe Even Bill, belichick that
1:40:20
Speaker 2: preferred him over Mac, jones AND i don't think he
1:40:23
Speaker 2: didn't make it to The. Patriots they ended. Up he
1:40:26
Speaker 2: ended up with The jets at like thirteen or, fourteen,
1:40:28
Speaker 2: Right so.
1:40:29
Speaker 1: It was the pick before, that yes traded.
1:40:31
Speaker 2: UP i think there's some reporting at the time of
1:40:34
Speaker 2: the draft that The patriots might have actually gone Like
1:40:37
Speaker 2: Vera Tucker Davis mills instead of Mac jones at that,
1:40:40
Speaker 2: pick If Vera tucker had felt to him he was
1:40:43
Speaker 2: a really good college, player really good. PROSPECT i have.
1:40:46
Speaker 1: Your thing up, here BUT i can't find. Him do
1:40:48
Speaker 1: you remember where you had to me this is your
1:40:50
Speaker 1: top fifty or did you not have him on your top?
1:40:52
Speaker 2: FIFTY i don't. KNOW i don't. KNOW i got to
1:40:55
Speaker 2: let me look up my. Spreadsheet i'll do that AFTER
1:40:57
Speaker 2: i read this email and you can't answer the, email
1:40:59
Speaker 2: and THEN i. Will so we got a couple of
1:41:01
Speaker 2: these emails about mc. Collins this one's From, chris but
1:41:05
Speaker 2: we had.
1:41:06
Speaker 1: Three oh, wait hang, ON i got, him, Okay so
1:41:08
Speaker 1: that you had him as number seventeen projected first round.
1:41:11
Speaker 1: Pick you have a tweet in. Here most of him
1:41:14
Speaker 1: is a guard prospect at the next, level but his
1:41:15
Speaker 1: left tackle tape in twenty twenty was, solid very smooth
1:41:18
Speaker 1: and fluid pass sets quick feet and easily gets his set.
1:41:21
Speaker 1: Points what you actually wrote some Project Vera tucker as
1:41:23
Speaker 1: a guard after he started games of both left tackle
1:41:25
Speaker 1: and left garden. College THE usc product is one smooth
1:41:28
Speaker 1: operator with excellent movement. Skills as a pass protector and run.
1:41:32
Speaker 1: Blocker he'll excel in either zone schemes or systems that
1:41:35
Speaker 1: ask him to make lateral moving blocks or climbs to
1:41:37
Speaker 1: the second level of the. Defense Vera tucker fires out
1:41:40
Speaker 1: of his stands to create movement at the line of.
1:41:42
Speaker 1: Scrimmage the stains blocks and finishes and wins with very
1:41:46
Speaker 1: good body. Positioning as a run. Blocker as a starting
1:41:48
Speaker 1: left tackle for The, trojans he was. Excellent so if
1:41:50
Speaker 1: you're inclined to leave. Him he was a starting left,
1:41:54
Speaker 1: tackle he was. Excellent so if you're inclined to leave
1:41:57
Speaker 1: him at, tackle, Period so typo. Typo Vera tucker is
1:42:03
Speaker 1: a pats archetype in terms of measurables and, versatility even
1:42:06
Speaker 1: if he's not a pure people. Mover at the point of,
1:42:07
Speaker 1: attack he's quietly one of the best prospects in this
1:42:10
Speaker 1: draft that doesn't get talked about.
1:42:11
Speaker 2: Enough nailed.
1:42:12
Speaker 1: It would you say that that is a fair representation
1:42:14
Speaker 1: of who he is now injuries.
1:42:15
Speaker 2: Aside, yeah if he's say it, HEALTHY i feel like
1:42:17
Speaker 2: we will be talking about him as, like, no just
1:42:19
Speaker 2: a really good.
1:42:19
Speaker 1: PLAYER i went back and watch the tape him in
1:42:21
Speaker 1: twenty four right when he, signed when he was, healthy
1:42:23
Speaker 1: when he signed, here, yep is that the player you?
1:42:25
Speaker 2: SAW i feel like it was for the most. Part,
1:42:27
Speaker 2: YEAH i think MAYBE i overrated his nasty a little
1:42:30
Speaker 2: bit too, Much like maybe not the, finisher but certainly
1:42:34
Speaker 2: the athlete and the. SMOOTHNESS i, MEAN i just think
1:42:37
Speaker 2: he's a really high level pass blocker and a guy
1:42:39
Speaker 2: that can really, move you, know out of his stance
1:42:42
Speaker 2: and block and on the move up to the second
1:42:45
Speaker 2: level latterly across the line of scrimmage on zone. Schemes
1:42:48
Speaker 2: really kind of hit on a lot of those, things
1:42:52
Speaker 2: besides maybe him kicking inside permanently and the injuries, Obviously
1:42:56
Speaker 2: BUT i, YEAH i was definitely really high on him
1:42:59
Speaker 2: as that right up the typo that hopefully we improved
1:43:02
Speaker 2: on the typos.
1:43:03
Speaker 1: You had so you had him at. Seventeen you Had
1:43:05
Speaker 1: Caleb fairley at, sixteen whom My rabel. Took Maybe i'm
1:43:08
Speaker 1: just having fun with.
1:43:09
Speaker 2: That i'm not going to ask about.
1:43:11
Speaker 1: That you want Your Mac.
1:43:12
Speaker 2: Jones right, up give it to.
1:43:14
Speaker 1: Me Although jones is a solid, Prospect i'm still not
1:43:17
Speaker 1: convinced he's worth it for the forty nine ers at.
1:43:20
Speaker 1: Three remember all that nailed that The alabama product. Has
1:43:25
Speaker 1: The alabama product has machine like consistency from the pocket
1:43:27
Speaker 1: and excellent accuracy, timing and does all the little things
1:43:30
Speaker 1: well that it takes to thrive as a pocket, passer,
1:43:32
Speaker 1: parentheses pocket, management, movement pre Snapper reed's. Protections the story
1:43:36
Speaker 1: also goes that jones grasp Of alabama's playbook is so
1:43:39
Speaker 1: advanced he's teaching the offense new Oc bill O'Brien the so.
1:43:42
Speaker 1: Offseason if The niners don't Take, jones there's a million
1:43:44
Speaker 1: reasons why his style as a thrower would make him
1:43:47
Speaker 1: a perfect long term option For New. England, however as
1:43:50
Speaker 1: good as his twenty twenty season, was it's hard to
1:43:52
Speaker 1: imagine That jones will get exponentially better at the pro.
1:43:54
Speaker 1: Level with his lacking physical, tools we'd be assuming he
1:43:57
Speaker 1: could master his skill set at THE nfl level in
1:44:00
Speaker 1: the same vein That Brady manning And breeze, did which
1:44:02
Speaker 1: is a lofty. Expectation, nevertheless it's hard to ignore the
1:44:05
Speaker 1: fit for The patriots and The Belichick saban. Connection If
1:44:08
Speaker 1: jones doesn't go to The San, francisco The pats could
1:44:11
Speaker 1: position themselves to take him in the first. ROUND i.
1:44:14
Speaker 8: Not.
1:44:14
Speaker 1: BAD i would say you nailed. That it's pretty, good not.
1:44:17
Speaker 2: Bad AND i saw my Guy Mac jones at The
1:44:21
Speaker 2: Super bowl On Radio. Row, yeah as good to see.
1:44:25
Speaker 2: Him you did kind of cheat here.
1:44:26
Speaker 1: THOUGH i went back and. Looked it's a top, fifty
1:44:27
Speaker 1: but you had fifty one. Players you Split Davis mills
1:44:30
Speaker 1: And Jamie newman at. Fifty.
1:44:31
Speaker 2: YEAH i like to do. THAT i like to you,
1:44:34
Speaker 2: know it's My Jamie.
1:44:35
Speaker 1: Newman had a week where everybody thought he was the. Guy,
1:44:37
Speaker 1: Oh cameron mcgron on your big, BOARD i. LIKED i
1:44:40
Speaker 1: love The patriots at Any, oh, okay one? MORE i
1:44:43
Speaker 1: know you want to get to the. Females one, more
1:44:44
Speaker 1: number forty four On Evan lazar's twenty twenty one big. Board,
1:44:48
Speaker 1: yeah Current. Patriots do you Remember?
1:44:50
Speaker 2: Barmore?
1:44:51
Speaker 1: Nope? CLOSE i THOUGHT i had on, There i'll control Left.
1:44:55
Speaker 1: NO i was scrolling Through. No who very Close Williams
1:44:59
Speaker 1: milton william projected second third. Round williams is one of
1:45:03
Speaker 1: the strongest defensive linemen in this class that has an
1:45:06
Speaker 1: excellent understanding of how to play with leverage and use
1:45:08
Speaker 1: his hands to defeat. Blocks he'll also absorb contact and
1:45:12
Speaker 1: anchor against double, teams and has some suddenness to his
1:45:15
Speaker 1: movements to win with quickness on the. Inside in The patriots,
1:45:18
Speaker 1: System williams projects a base three to four defensive end
1:45:21
Speaker 1: that can kick inside to rush the passer on passing.
1:45:23
Speaker 1: Downs the only knock to his game is thirty one
1:45:26
Speaker 1: and a half inch arms with a lack of ideal
1:45:28
Speaker 1: length for work as a two, gapper but he's so
1:45:30
Speaker 1: strong in his upper body and.
1:45:31
Speaker 2: Smart with his hands that it can be.
1:45:33
Speaker 1: Overlooked in a weak defensive line, Class williams is one
1:45:36
Speaker 1: of the few that consistently stood out on.
1:45:39
Speaker 2: Tape, okay SO i overrated a probably his like he's
1:45:43
Speaker 2: not like a space eater LIKE i feel LIKE i
1:45:45
Speaker 2: kind of described him a little bit as like a
1:45:47
Speaker 2: block eating defensive, lineman good anchor things like. That probably
1:45:51
Speaker 2: you were trying to make him fit FOR i probably
1:45:54
Speaker 2: underrated his pass rush, ability all, Right like he's definitely
1:45:57
Speaker 2: a much, better more dynamic pass rusher THAN.
1:45:59
Speaker 1: I you At barmore at twenty nine you your first
1:46:01
Speaker 1: sentence is the same thing for me With. Barmore significantly
1:46:05
Speaker 1: lower than most On barbore's fit for The, Patriots but
1:46:07
Speaker 1: there are things to like about his. Game that's exactly
1:46:09
Speaker 1: WHERE i was. Was he's not a two, gaffer but
1:46:12
Speaker 1: he's not an end unless they're willing to throw it way,
1:46:14
Speaker 1: back like they don't play these kind of defensive, tackles
1:46:17
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they. Did my hesitation
1:46:19
Speaker 1: with The alabama defensive tackle is he's a Boomer bus
1:46:22
Speaker 1: prospect whose preferences to fire off the Ball van you didn't, say,
1:46:27
Speaker 1: then whose preferences to fire off the, ball to shoot
1:46:29
Speaker 1: gaps and rush the. Passer barmore is not a two
1:46:32
Speaker 1: gapper against the, run and his best fit is as
1:46:34
Speaker 1: a penetrating three. Tech Even Nick saban felt that way About,
1:46:37
Speaker 1: barmore which is why he didn't play every down For.
1:46:39
Speaker 1: Alabama barmoer's get off and upper body power our flashy.
1:46:44
Speaker 1: Qualities if he can commit to playing with better pad
1:46:47
Speaker 1: level against the, run as we saw in The College Football,
1:46:49
Speaker 1: playoff he can be a game wrecker In New england.
1:46:52
Speaker 1: System barmore is likely a situational pass rusher In Adam
1:46:54
Speaker 1: butler's old. Role is that worth a first round pick
1:46:57
Speaker 1: For New? England, no and it's certainly not worth. IT
1:46:59
Speaker 1: a number FIFTEEN i felt the exact. SAME i, REMEMBER
1:47:02
Speaker 1: i was, like they ended up getting them my later
1:47:04
Speaker 1: square peg round hole and then he fell and it was,
1:47:06
Speaker 1: like well the guy's so. Good, yeah you had am
1:47:08
Speaker 1: and raw a twenty five Loved Tom, monroe you know
1:47:12
Speaker 1: you had him behind A Mari Rodgers. Trojan, yeah we all,
1:47:15
Speaker 1: RIGHT i could do this all. Day, well remember this
1:47:18
Speaker 1: is a good segment for the, summer but you nailed
1:47:19
Speaker 1: most of.
1:47:20
Speaker 2: Those we're in the, summer, Man that's. True we already
1:47:23
Speaker 2: did what we saw a mini. Camp we already took
1:47:25
Speaker 2: all the.
1:47:26
Speaker 1: Six weeks of nothing. Right so we we'll have your
1:47:29
Speaker 1: big boards from twenty twenty. One we can't do last, Year,
1:47:32
Speaker 1: well we'll do Like Evan lazar's big board per week or.
1:47:34
Speaker 2: Something last YEAR i was very upset with. Myself did
1:47:38
Speaker 2: not have a good.
1:47:38
Speaker 1: Performance do you mean this past one, Yes OH i
1:47:42
Speaker 1: bad not break in the first. ROUND i Had, ACIS
1:47:45
Speaker 1: i Had, FRONTY i Had, Morton i'd Crown.
1:47:48
Speaker 2: OVER i Had achis and Crown, over AND i probably
1:47:51
Speaker 2: should have Had. RAREDON i should have had Both lomu And.
1:47:54
Speaker 2: Ardan AND i fed it. Up SEE i didn't. CURSE
1:47:57
Speaker 2: i jumped a job. Up pissed at myself about that
1:48:02
Speaker 2: still all these months. Later all, Right so this is
1:48:05
Speaker 2: an email From. CHRIS i got this email like in
1:48:08
Speaker 2: different ways three or four, times So i'll just address it,
1:48:10
Speaker 2: here asking about Mac collins moving to tight, end AND
1:48:16
Speaker 2: i just kind of feel LIKE. Matc collins already kind
1:48:18
Speaker 2: of is a tight. End SO i don't really know
1:48:20
Speaker 2: IF i just think when people miss the position that's
1:48:24
Speaker 2: next to his, NAME i don't know if it really
1:48:26
Speaker 2: changes a whole lot about his. Role he's gonna whether
1:48:29
Speaker 2: he's a joker like a move tight, end or he's
1:48:32
Speaker 2: a wide receiver that plays a little tight to the.
1:48:34
Speaker 2: Formation it's, uh you, know it's. Apple it's half to
1:48:39
Speaker 2: one and doesn't to the. Other oh that's saying IS
1:48:42
Speaker 2: i think.
1:48:42
Speaker 1: The thing people miss the hero good of a. Blocker
1:48:44
Speaker 1: Mac collins is and he, is but he's a really
1:48:45
Speaker 1: good blocker wide receiver like that scales differently when you
1:48:48
Speaker 1: move them to tight end and inline hand in the
1:48:50
Speaker 1: dirts and other.
1:48:51
Speaker 2: Story so, right like he's not putting his hand in the,
1:48:53
Speaker 2: dirt but he's still playing from alignment center close to the.
1:48:56
Speaker 2: Formation he's still Blocking, nickels he's still cracking, in and
1:49:00
Speaker 2: he's balking up to the linebackers in some of their run.
1:49:03
Speaker 2: Fits like he's still doing a lot of the things
1:49:05
Speaker 2: that like a move or a detached tight end would.
1:49:07
Speaker 2: Do he's just doing it with a wr next to
1:49:10
Speaker 2: his name is a TE i think that that's one
1:49:12
Speaker 2: of those THAT i just wouldn't get too caught up
1:49:15
Speaker 2: in positions like it's where they're playing on the field
1:49:17
Speaker 2: and the roles they're being asked to execute more so
1:49:20
Speaker 2: than the.
1:49:20
Speaker 1: POSITION a little real quick low breaking news here from In.
1:49:23
Speaker 1: Rapport So Darius smith was released off The eagles reserve
1:49:26
Speaker 1: retireless and indication he could be open to coming. Back,
1:49:29
Speaker 1: Okay Pat Edgellarius.
1:49:30
Speaker 2: SMITH i think he's a fit for what they like to.
1:49:33
Speaker 2: DO a big, guy you, know can play that four
1:49:36
Speaker 2: three n, spot rush the pass a little. Bit maybe
1:49:38
Speaker 2: if he hasn't anything left in the. TANK i don't.
1:49:41
Speaker 2: Know maybe you have him in for like a private
1:49:42
Speaker 2: workout first and see what he's got. Left all. RIGHT
1:49:46
Speaker 2: a couple more emails, HERE a lot of emails too
1:49:48
Speaker 2: About Kavon thibodeau trade. Ideas so this is From jeff In.
1:49:55
Speaker 2: Virginia he, says can't you trade a fourth For Kavon
1:49:58
Speaker 2: thibodeau and then if he signs out WHERE i get
1:50:00
Speaker 2: to pick back in the draft pick comp. Formula so in,
1:50:04
Speaker 2: theory as long as he has a good, season, yeah
1:50:06
Speaker 2: in theory you, could but, one as long as he
1:50:10
Speaker 2: has a good. Season, two as long as you don't
1:50:11
Speaker 2: add a ton of external Free.
1:50:13
Speaker 4: Well.
1:50:15
Speaker 1: They're big free agency classes are probably they're not going
1:50:17
Speaker 1: to have more of.
1:50:18
Speaker 2: THESE i would assume that's. True but if you if
1:50:20
Speaker 2: you spend on a top free agent and he's a
1:50:23
Speaker 2: top free, agent then they're going to wash each other
1:50:24
Speaker 2: out in the compic. Formula so technically you could And
1:50:28
Speaker 2: Bill belichick did that one hundred million. Times, yeah but
1:50:32
Speaker 2: the that would be the dad. Slide even if their
1:50:35
Speaker 2: big big spending is. Done if you went up one, guy,
1:50:41
Speaker 2: yeah could could ruin. That this Was nate In connecticut
1:50:45
Speaker 2: who called in and he had to. Go also asked
1:50:48
Speaker 2: About hollands versus Kaish On. BOOTY uh two wide receiver
1:50:52
Speaker 2: sets With holland's Kish On. Booty this one is From Sam.
1:50:57
Speaker 2: Uh what happened To trevion? Blocking was he not heralded
1:51:01
Speaker 2: as an all time pass blocking prospect coming? Out how
1:51:04
Speaker 2: does a player go from that to being, subpar especially
1:51:06
Speaker 2: coming from a big time. PROGRAM i think that's a fair.
1:51:09
Speaker 2: Question With Trayvon henderson is definitely one of the, best
1:51:13
Speaker 2: if not the, best pass blocking backs in that. DRAFT i,
1:51:17
Speaker 2: Mean sean McVay said he was one of the best
1:51:18
Speaker 2: he's ever. Seen right evaluating prospects At Ohio. STATE i
1:51:23
Speaker 2: would say it's a combination of two. Things Trayvon henderson
1:51:27
Speaker 2: adjusting to this, system and we've talked a lot about
1:51:30
Speaker 2: this offense and how much it puts on running backs
1:51:34
Speaker 2: where a lot of their, reads not all of, them
1:51:36
Speaker 2: but a lot of them are dual reads where they're
1:51:38
Speaker 2: reading off of two different. Players so usually like the
1:51:41
Speaker 2: inside guy's. Priority so if that player comes and they're
1:51:44
Speaker 2: going to block that player and leave the outside player.
1:51:46
Speaker 2: Unblocked but if the inside player drops into coverage and
1:51:50
Speaker 2: the outside player, comes then now you have to come
1:51:53
Speaker 2: all the way out outside to that. Player so a
1:51:55
Speaker 2: lot of it is just post snap reaction and reads
1:51:58
Speaker 2: and getting that sort of thing figure out as a young,
1:52:00
Speaker 2: player which we've seen like this is Why James white.
1:52:03
Speaker 2: Redshirted like we've seen this a million times across The
1:52:07
Speaker 2: patriots dynasty and over the years with those running. BACKS
1:52:10
Speaker 2: i would also, say he's not a big, dude, Right
1:52:14
Speaker 2: he's not Like Remondre stevenson's. Size and one of the
1:52:17
Speaker 2: things that he talked about last year was at this,
1:52:21
Speaker 2: level guys have. Moves like at the college, level guys
1:52:24
Speaker 2: are just running downhill through the gap that they're blitzing,
1:52:28
Speaker 2: through uh full. Bore at THE, nfl guys have pass rush.
1:52:32
Speaker 2: Moves so when they he goes to block, somebody you,
1:52:35
Speaker 2: know guys have. Moves they can, swim they can, spin
1:52:38
Speaker 2: they can, jab they can you, know, rip they can
1:52:40
Speaker 2: do all these different things that edge rushers. Do, basically
1:52:44
Speaker 2: these off ball linebackers are trained there and they're good at.
1:52:46
Speaker 2: It they're they're good at these different finesse rush moves
1:52:50
Speaker 2: that can be hard to. Block SO i think a
1:52:52
Speaker 2: lot of this is just adjusting to things in THE nfl,
1:52:55
Speaker 2: game where in college these guys are all just kind
1:52:57
Speaker 2: of bull rushing when they. Blitze in THE, nfl all
1:53:00
Speaker 2: these guys have bought toolboxes and moves that they can go,
1:53:03
Speaker 2: to and also the system and the reads within the.
1:53:06
Speaker 2: System so hopefully he can you, know improve in all
1:53:09
Speaker 2: those areas and and be a better player for, it you,
1:53:12
Speaker 2: know this year in terms of the blocking real.
1:53:14
Speaker 1: Quick Taylor kyle's pointing out On Twitter's Darius smith played
1:53:17
Speaker 1: For Mike smith In Green bay And.
1:53:19
Speaker 2: Minnesota good, pull so maybe a guy that they could
1:53:22
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1:53:27
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1:53:31
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1:53:35
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1:53:38
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1:53:43
Speaker 2: with an explanation point in the subject, LINE i need
1:53:46
Speaker 2: to know, punters how are they? Looking as we, know
1:53:49
Speaker 2: the REAL mvp of The Super bowl was The seahawks,
1:53:51
Speaker 2: punter who Is. AUSTRALIAN i believe so that that's probably
1:53:55
Speaker 2: why we talked a little bit about the punters, earlier
1:53:57
Speaker 2: but do you have any reset THE i.
1:54:01
Speaker 1: Do think that we're gonna get a punter battle in.
1:54:03
Speaker 1: CAMP i don't know if it's gonna be this kid
1:54:05
Speaker 1: that's here now somebody, else but it does feel like
1:54:06
Speaker 1: we're gonna get.
1:54:07
Speaker 2: ONE i would like that for you because you, know
1:54:11
Speaker 2: it gives us another talking thing to talk. About WHERE
1:54:14
Speaker 2: i throw it to you AND i, say all, Right,
1:54:16
Speaker 2: alex this is the punter.
1:54:17
Speaker 1: Hour we get a little break during the.
1:54:19
Speaker 2: Show, yeah one little thing about special teams with a little.
1:54:21
Speaker 2: Nugget is it interesting to you at all That Romeo
1:54:24
Speaker 2: dobbs has been returning punts like he's.
1:54:25
Speaker 1: Not going to BUT i mean more you can, do, Right,
1:54:28
Speaker 1: YEAH i was little interested by, That LIKE i wonder
1:54:30
Speaker 1: if you did that In Green. BAY i wonder if that's.
1:54:33
Speaker 2: Practice, Obviously Marcus jones gonna return punts if he's, Hurt
1:54:36
Speaker 2: Pop douglas probably the next guy, up Or Eften. CHISHOLM
1:54:39
Speaker 2: i think you have to go through a lot of
1:54:41
Speaker 2: layers of debt before you're Throwing Romeo dobs back. There
1:54:44
Speaker 2: but it's just interesting in.
1:54:45
Speaker 1: PRACTICE i, mean we have zero indication of who the
1:54:47
Speaker 1: kick returner is gonna. Be that one's. Good that's gonna
1:54:49
Speaker 1: be a fun, battle the kick return of.
1:54:52
Speaker 2: Battle that's a role that all of you special teams.
1:54:55
Speaker 2: Focus now you tell me that they need to really
1:54:59
Speaker 2: improve that role last, year do you? Not we had
1:55:01
Speaker 2: this whole argument about it a couple of months, ago
1:55:03
Speaker 2: about just starting field positions and the. Math like we've
1:55:07
Speaker 2: played at the top of the. Show all, right last
1:55:09
Speaker 2: email here off, Topic BUT i have. TO i have
1:55:12
Speaker 2: to do it because you, know you're just you love
1:55:16
Speaker 2: soccer and you love our football AS i say in
1:55:19
Speaker 2: other parts of the, world and you love what's going on.
1:55:22
Speaker 2: Here don't say anything bad ABOUT. Fifa we're Getting we
1:55:27
Speaker 2: love our overlords OF fifa on my credential to get
1:55:31
Speaker 2: into this. Place and now it says, TENANT i, like
1:55:34
Speaker 2: we work here and we're Ten, sorry, OKAY i SAID
1:55:37
Speaker 2: i wasn't gonna say anything bad ABOUT. Fifa we love
1:55:40
Speaker 2: OUR fifa. Overlords But barton pull and emailed in at
1:55:43
Speaker 2: the end of. Yesterday was it? Yesterday, yeah, UNFILTERED i
1:55:47
Speaker 2: like quickly gave a two second take On TEAM usa
1:55:50
Speaker 2: in The World. CUP i told you THAT i was
1:55:52
Speaker 2: going to expect to take out of you about. THIS
1:55:55
Speaker 2: i told you to do some. Homework did you do
1:55:57
Speaker 2: that homework at?
1:55:57
Speaker 1: All?
1:55:58
Speaker 2: Yeah are you doing it right?
1:56:00
Speaker 1: Now pulling up my?
1:56:01
Speaker 2: Notes you're pulling up your? Notes are you have? NOTES
1:56:04
Speaker 2: i have?
1:56:05
Speaker 1: Notes, Okay so they're obviously a little banged, up which
1:56:08
Speaker 1: is an ideal going into the. TOURNAMENT i think they
1:56:11
Speaker 1: should probably win the group they're, in and we'll.
1:56:14
Speaker 2: See that was better THAN i was expecting you to give. Me,
1:56:18
Speaker 2: honestly that was that was MORE i really feel. Strongly
1:56:24
Speaker 2: and this is not because the tournament is. Here oh
1:56:26
Speaker 2: AND i would start.
1:56:29
Speaker 1: Geez mind playing on his name now at goal and,
1:56:30
Speaker 1: Goal Matt, turner because you KNOW i called one of
1:56:33
Speaker 1: his games once you know his, name when he played
1:56:35
Speaker 1: a fairfield they came up PLAYED u mass. WHOLE i
1:56:37
Speaker 1: called the.
1:56:37
Speaker 2: GAME i would just say That i'd be really disappointed
1:56:42
Speaker 2: if they don't get out of the. Group i'd be
1:56:45
Speaker 2: big disappointed if they don't get out of the. Group
1:56:47
Speaker 2: i'd be. Disappointed you, KNOW i did the small sea
1:56:50
Speaker 2: concern thing, earlier like high level pissed if they don't
1:56:55
Speaker 2: make it out of the, group mid level pissed if
1:56:57
Speaker 2: they don't win a knockout stage. GAME i think that
1:56:59
Speaker 2: that this group has Been i've been told for a
1:57:03
Speaker 2: couple of cycles now that this was going to be
1:57:06
Speaker 2: the group OF usa, soccer led By Christian, polisic that
1:57:08
Speaker 2: was going to be able to take that next step
1:57:12
Speaker 2: in international. Soccer if they get grouped or they don't
1:57:16
Speaker 2: make it out of the, GROUP i will be, apoplectic
1:57:20
Speaker 2: like you walk, home.
1:57:21
Speaker 8: Right.
1:57:22
Speaker 2: Yeah if they get out of the group but lose
1:57:24
Speaker 2: in the first round of the, Knockout i'll be, disappointed
1:57:26
Speaker 2: BUT i won't be devastated if they make. It if
1:57:29
Speaker 2: they win one knockout, Round i'd be really.
1:57:31
Speaker 1: Excited so they Have paraguay, First, yeah Then, australia Then.
1:57:34
Speaker 1: Turkeys australia the toughest match.
1:57:37
Speaker 2: There Paraguay turkey probably the way that it's let's.
1:57:41
Speaker 1: Say turkey's world ranking is twenty, Second australia's is twenty,
1:57:48
Speaker 1: seventh so that's, close and Then paraguay paragrase.
1:57:51
Speaker 2: Forty, YEAH i thought it Was. TURKEY i saw some
1:57:54
Speaker 2: of the odds and they're pretty flat for this. Group
1:57:57
Speaker 2: like THE us has the best chance to win the
1:57:59
Speaker 2: group rank, Sixteenth THE us has the best chance to
1:58:03
Speaker 2: win the group but it's not by a. Lot it's you,
1:58:06
Speaker 2: know like they're at like forty and Then turkey's at thirty.
1:58:09
Speaker 1: Two, advance so they don't even need to, win and
1:58:12
Speaker 1: Then wild the best.
1:58:14
Speaker 2: Third place teams advanced because they stupidly expanded the tournament
1:58:17
Speaker 2: to forty. Eighteen is that new this? Year, yes that's
1:58:19
Speaker 2: A i've messed. Up but my most important, player obviously
1:58:23
Speaker 2: the best player on TM usa Is, policious but the
1:58:26
Speaker 2: most important player for TAM usa Is Tyler. Adams Tyler
1:58:29
Speaker 2: adams in the, MIDFIELD i would also, say Like wes
1:58:32
Speaker 2: and McKinney also really important to them as, well But
1:58:35
Speaker 2: Tyler adams like has to kind of control the middle
1:58:38
Speaker 2: of the field for. Them THEY i think that's the
1:58:40
Speaker 2: biggest issue THAT i always see with THE usa soccer
1:58:42
Speaker 2: is they're athletic and they can play on the wings
1:58:44
Speaker 2: with a lot of, teams but like the technical stuff
1:58:47
Speaker 2: that happens in the middle of the, field the passing
1:58:49
Speaker 2: and the triangles and all that good stuff that really
1:58:51
Speaker 2: leads to the good scoring chances that all like the
1:58:54
Speaker 2: good teams can do Like france And, spain THE us
1:58:57
Speaker 2: have trouble with, that so they they can win it
1:58:59
Speaker 2: down the. Outside they can cross the ball, in but
1:59:03
Speaker 2: that's low percentage like kind of, throwing like a fifty
1:59:05
Speaker 2: to fifty, ball, Right it's a low percentage way to
1:59:07
Speaker 2: score goals of looking for headers and tips and deflections
1:59:10
Speaker 2: and stuff like. That they got to play better through
1:59:12
Speaker 2: the middle of the field and Hopefully Tyler adams can do.
1:59:15
Speaker 2: That all, right thank you for humoring me for two.
1:59:17
Speaker 2: Seconds on The World CUP usa first Game friday night this,
1:59:22
Speaker 2: Week friday night at. NINE i think it's out IN.
1:59:24
Speaker 2: LA i Believe alex AND i will be back next,
1:59:27
Speaker 2: Week LIKE i, said two to four, pm two to
1:59:30
Speaker 2: four pm here On catch twenty, two right After Patriots,
1:59:34
Speaker 2: unfiltered which will be twelve to, two we'll Recap tomorrow
1:59:37
Speaker 2: should be a full speed practice again for The patriots
1:59:40
Speaker 2: At mini, camp so we'll recap what we saw On.
1:59:43
Speaker 2: Thursday set the table for the off. Season maybe we'll
1:59:46
Speaker 2: get back to our around THE afc project that we
1:59:49
Speaker 2: were working on as well and get back into those
1:59:51
Speaker 2: that's next week from two to four On catch twenty.
1:59:54
Speaker 2: Two i'll see you tomorrow ON pu and we'll see
1:59:56
Speaker 2: you guys next week.
1:59:57
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