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2-05-26 Hour 2 - NBA Trade Deadline Madness/Maxx Crosby to Broncos?/Vic's chat with Jeremiah Castille · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: so stay tuned for that. We'll talk to Ryan Harris
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  Speaker 2: shortly as he is there with Westwood one VIC in
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco on radio row.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's somebody of significance behind me doing an interview
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  Speaker 3: with another radio station. He walked by with a huge entourage.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who it is. I'm going to point
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  Speaker 3: the camera at him to see if our listeners and
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  Speaker 3: viewers can identify who this is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Half the battle is trying to figure out who it is.
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  Speaker 3: Can you, Jesse, Jesse, just throw the give us a
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  Speaker 3: camera on that dude.
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  Speaker 2: We'll give us a lot.
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  Speaker 4: I want to see who this is, whoever that dude is.
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  Speaker 3: See mon, Jesse, Mon, Jesse, Jesse, come on, don't come on, Jesse,
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  Speaker 3: aim the camera properly.
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  Speaker 4: Com on.
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  Speaker 3: We're trying to figure out who this who this man
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  Speaker 3: is right now because this.
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  Speaker 2: Is helping him. No one I see a man's butt,
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  Speaker 2: This is all I see.
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  Speaker 3: You have failed this experiment so badly. Just get up
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  Speaker 3: and just put the camera in. Yeah, what do we
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  Speaker 3: think of you?
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  Speaker 2: Feel it? I see nothing. I have no idea what's
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  Speaker 2: going on here?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? You get no food today?
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow? Thing that he wants most? Well, how about this, Jesse?
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  Speaker 2: Just walk over there and go see and then come
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  Speaker 2: back and report goodness. In the meantime, Vic there was
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  Speaker 2: just by the way, this is the trade deadline for
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  Speaker 2: the NBA is today. I don't know if the Nuggets
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  Speaker 2: are going to do anything, but a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: bulls just did they traded away a to soon move?
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no no, don't, don't don't do
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  Speaker 3: do do don't do do do do don't don't don't
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  Speaker 3: don't don't say that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh don't. I was don't. I don't want you. I
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  Speaker 4: want you to retract that.
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  Speaker 2: Why what what's going on?
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  Speaker 4: I was holding out hope that the Nuggets might find
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  Speaker 4: a way to go. Do you know we got traded
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  Speaker 4: to don't.
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  Speaker 3: If I swear to God, if you give me bad
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  Speaker 3: news on this, I'm gonna shut this radio show down.
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  Speaker 2: He's a t wolf now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this couldn't call it a day.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and pack it up right now. So
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  Speaker 4: you serious?
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  Speaker 2: He's traded Minnesota. Yes, that was six minutes ago. Four
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  Speaker 2: don't know yet all the information we had, but he
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  Speaker 2: is now in Minnesota. I'm with you. I wanted that
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  Speaker 2: to happen too. I didn't think that the Bulls were
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  Speaker 2: going to trade him.
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember what I said yesterday?
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  Speaker 3: I said the Bulls after the trade deals they made
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  Speaker 3: all week, they have too many guards and they're gonna
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  Speaker 3: have to deal some of those guards. It's great news
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  Speaker 3: for the Nuggets because perhaps they can stand in line
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  Speaker 3: and benefit from all those guards. And Ao is the
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  Speaker 3: guy I was really eyeing Ao. My god, are you serious?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 4: He slipped through and went to Minnesota.
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  Speaker 2: That's Minnesota. So he is now with the d Wolves.
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  Speaker 2: The trade yesterday though with Anthony Davis is just love to.
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  Speaker 4: Know what they had to trade for him. Oh, here
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  Speaker 4: it is.
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  Speaker 3: They traded Rob Dillingham, the second year player who was
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  Speaker 3: out of the rotation, Leonard Miller and get this four
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  Speaker 3: second round picks. Okay, that makes me sleep a little
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  Speaker 3: better because the Nuggets did not have that kind of
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  Speaker 3: Marsenal and they don't have all those They just you know,
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  Speaker 3: they exhausted all their picks, they don't have anything. The trade,
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  Speaker 3: they would have to trade one of the current assets
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  Speaker 3: on the roster, and frankly, there's no way the Nuggets
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  Speaker 3: could have competed with that trade. No.
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  Speaker 2: The ad trade, though, is so funny to me because
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  Speaker 2: you now have sort of a look at what the
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  Speaker 2: total return was for Kadan Chic and it's nothing like,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 3: The only two first rounders and three second rounders the
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  Speaker 3: net the net trade.
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  Speaker 2: But the first rounders, it's the thunders first round pick
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  Speaker 2: this year, which is probably going to be thirtieth or
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  Speaker 2: twenty ninth or twenty eighth, and then it's a top
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  Speaker 2: twenty protected pick, which means even if you get the pick,
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  Speaker 2: it's not even gonna be significant.
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  Speaker 3: It's a major fail. It's a major fail on that organization.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about it. It continues to be a bigger
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  Speaker 3: failure every step that takes place. I mean, listen, it's
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  Speaker 3: it's a year later, just over a year later from
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  Speaker 3: the trade, and they've got nothing but Cooper Flag out
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  Speaker 3: of it, nothing of something which Cooper flag.
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  Speaker 4: And LA thing.
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  Speaker 2: Cooper Flag's a big thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 2: I still think there's some screwy going on there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I mean there will
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  Speaker 3: be books written about it years later. I don't dispute
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  Speaker 3: that at all. I'm just curious from Ano gets fans perspective.
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  Speaker 3: Here we are, how many hours away from trade deadline?
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  Speaker 3: It is one pm Denver time today?
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  Speaker 4: When the hours?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, do you think Nuggets Nation the Nuggets make a
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  Speaker 3: move by one pm? And if they do make a move,
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  Speaker 3: if I don't expect them to make a major move,
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  Speaker 3: but if.
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  Speaker 4: They do, it'll tell you what they think of the
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  Speaker 4: current roster. If it's championship material.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they will. I think they are championship
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  Speaker 2: material already. You just can't you haven't been able.
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  Speaker 5: To see it.
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  Speaker 4: Just can't keep guys healthy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, again, if you're just tuning in. Peyton Watson left
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  Speaker 3: the game last night, third straight loss for the Nuggets,
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  Speaker 3: close loss, double.
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  Speaker 4: Overtime in New York at the Garden.
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  Speaker 3: Peyton Watson left early in the second half with a
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  Speaker 3: hamstring strain and MRI results expected sometime today. As soon
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  Speaker 3: as they go to the MRI result thing. That's what
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  Speaker 3: David Adelman said afterwards. He said he sounded deflated when
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned it. They've got to get an MRI. It
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  Speaker 3: sounds bad. So that it's another four to six weeks.
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  Speaker 3: He'll be reevaluated, which is the theme of the Denver
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  Speaker 3: Nuggets this season, re evaluated.
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  Speaker 4: In four to six weeks.
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to get a look at this rotation
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  Speaker 3: until the playoffs if you're lucky, right, And that's starting
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  Speaker 3: to worry me a little bit now.
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  Speaker 4: Because you need some ramp up time.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it should worry you, like you don't want to
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  Speaker 2: figure we were seeing what this looks like right now
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  Speaker 2: when the guys come back from an injury and they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure it out on the fly. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of clunkiness to it. And I know that David
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  Speaker 2: Adaman talked about this. This was postgame of the Pistons game,
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  Speaker 2: So this initially is talking about the Pistons defense, but
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  Speaker 2: listen to what he says afterwards.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're extremely physical. Obviously we shot forty three free throws.
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  Speaker 6: They do foul a lot, but yeah, they got into us.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't figure. I just thought we we had a
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  Speaker 6: weird energy about us the second half, and then we
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  Speaker 6: kind of got ourselves going. We know, we end up
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  Speaker 6: scoring one hundred and twenty one points, so on forty
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  Speaker 6: one and the fourth. The challenge for us right now
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  Speaker 6: is with all the things that are happening, people coming back,
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  Speaker 6: the mental restrictions, we have to avoid paying attention to that.
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  Speaker 6: We just have to play and just deal with it
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  Speaker 6: as we go, and we're gonna have some clunky moments.
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  Speaker 6: It's the rotations, different try different things tonight. I'm just
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  Speaker 6: trying to fit people into the minutes that can play.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's the challenge, and look the minutes that they
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  Speaker 2: can play. Jokic is on a minute restriction unless it
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  Speaker 2: goes into double overtime because he played forty five last night.
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  Speaker 2: CB I'm sure is on a minute restriction unless you
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  Speaker 2: go in a double overtime because he played forty three.
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  Speaker 2: It's just you can tell that Jokic and Christian Brown
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  Speaker 2: are not ready yet, like ready for efficient basketball.
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  Speaker 4: You know, a couple of things developed though.
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  Speaker 3: I was happy to see Christian Brown knock down those
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  Speaker 3: free throws.
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  Speaker 4: That was clutch man.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's basically the same situation Jamal Murray was
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  Speaker 3: in last week, remember at home with big free throws
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  Speaker 3: to tie the game. Send it's overtime, and Christian Brown
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  Speaker 3: got it done, so maybe that gives him some sets
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  Speaker 3: of confidence going forward. So I was happy to see
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  Speaker 3: that you got two free throws point three left. You've
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  Speaker 3: got to make both to send it to overtime. What
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  Speaker 3: was that double overtime at that point? Whatever it was.
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  Speaker 3: That is not easy, right, That is not easy, especially
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  Speaker 3: since you haven't played.
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  Speaker 4: In a long time. Yeah, I was clutched by CB.
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  Speaker 2: It was. I would like for him to have more
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  Speaker 2: than six points in forty three minutes. But I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to give him some grace because he's coming back from
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  Speaker 2: that injury. But especially Vic. Somebody said CB needs to
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  Speaker 2: be benched. Guess what, No more, Peyton Watson. He ain't
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  Speaker 2: going anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: No's and the only way you're gonna get better is
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  Speaker 3: by playing.
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  Speaker 4: You're not gonna get better by being benched. You know.
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  Speaker 3: I know a lot of people are are yelling at
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  Speaker 3: Joker for taking all those threes last night, and I
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  Speaker 3: get it. I mean it's not fun watching threes end
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  Speaker 3: up short. But clearly he's not as in shape as
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  Speaker 3: he was before the injury, Yes, and he's trying to
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  Speaker 3: figure it out. Every shot was short. Did you notice that, Yep,
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  Speaker 3: that's legs.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and look, why is he out of basketball condition
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  Speaker 2: because he couldn't use his legs for a month. That'll
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  Speaker 2: hurt you. And so it's yeah, it's gonna take a
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  Speaker 2: minute for this to get figured out. But you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: it vic, you're starting. You're still the three seed barely. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, things would go south in a hurry.
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  Speaker 3: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but
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  Speaker 3: I think the worst case scenario might have just unfolded.
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  Speaker 3: You play back to back games against two really good teams,
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  Speaker 3: and you lose very close games, one by three points
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  Speaker 3: in one in double overtime games that you had a
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  Speaker 3: chance to win. Yeah, not only do you lose those games,
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  Speaker 3: but you're forced to play minutes restriction guys way beyond
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  Speaker 3: their minutes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you lose.
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  Speaker 3: Another starter due to injury, so you lose both. You
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  Speaker 3: overplay your guys, and you lose a starter.
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  Speaker 2: Anything else, Nope, that's pretty much the worst case scenario
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  Speaker 2: you could have. I mean, it's terrible to not be
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  Speaker 2: able to get at least a win or something positive
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  Speaker 2: out of it. Sucks.
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  Speaker 3: And now now you're two games out of the second place.
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  Speaker 3: You only half game ahead of the Rockets in third place,
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  Speaker 3: only a game ahead of Minnesota. These teams are coming
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  Speaker 3: and this is not a good situation. It's not fun.
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  Speaker 3: And AG and p dub are out for four to
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  Speaker 3: six weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there is a real, a real possibility that
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  Speaker 2: you don't get a semblance of your starting lineup until
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  Speaker 2: like a week before the playoffs start, which is crazy,
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  Speaker 2: but that's sort of the situation you've been dealt all year.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just about hanging on, I suppose, and then
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  Speaker 2: crossing your fingers that people are healthy for the postseason.
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  Speaker 4: And so you think the Nuggets do something.
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  Speaker 3: If you were a betting man on what the Nuggets
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  Speaker 3: do by one pm today NBA trade deadline, do they
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  Speaker 3: do they reach here?
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  Speaker 4: Do they just.
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  Speaker 3: Sit back and say we this is our team, Gonna
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: live with it? I mean, remember they still have to
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: give Spencer Jones a contract. Yeah, you got concuss last night,
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  Speaker 3: but he's not allowed to play another game unless they
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  Speaker 3: convert the two way to a regular contract.
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  Speaker 4: He's done right now.
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  Speaker 3: Until they convert it, He's not gonna play another game
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  Speaker 3: for the Nuggets.
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  Speaker 2: Do you even have room to do like anything of significance.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have rooms.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they can do it, but they're gonna have to
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: eat the repeater tax and luxury tacks if they do it.
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  Speaker 4: They can do it, but you want to set them.
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  Speaker 4: Do they have a roster spot?
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  Speaker 2: They have one open still?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they still have a roster spot available.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd like him too, but it's just what
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  Speaker 2: what are you willing to give up in the middle.
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  Speaker 4: Of that too. That's the other thing about worst case scenario.
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  Speaker 3: Not only do you lose both games, close games to
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  Speaker 3: really good teams, one on national television. Yeah, you lose
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  Speaker 3: a player four to six weeks. It seems like with
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  Speaker 3: a strained hammy, and then you lose your only two
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  Speaker 3: way guy to a concussion. You could even get them
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  Speaker 3: through the first half, right, and that's his final game
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  Speaker 3: he could play.
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  Speaker 2: I know. It's crazy. So it's something to monitor here
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  Speaker 2: to show up and have a little chat with us
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  Speaker 2: as he is representing Westwood One down in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, vic bing in San Francisco is all
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  Speaker 2: So a lot that we still have to get to again.
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  Speaker 2: The Nuggets lose last night, are in double overtime to
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  Speaker 2: the Knicks. The Avs win their final game as they
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: head into the All Star break. I'm always confused at
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  Speaker 2: how Olympic stuff is happening already when opening ceremonies or tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: That makes no sense, don't I don't get it. It's
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  Speaker 2: like opening ceremonies, although some things have already happened. I
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  Speaker 2: just saw this, by the way, Vick, So this is
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  Speaker 2: women's hockey. This is on the women's side, not on
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  Speaker 2: the men's side. But a reporter out of Ottawa, Claire Hannah,
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  Speaker 2: said Team Finland isn't sure they'll have enough players available
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  Speaker 2: to play Canada tonight. Thirteen players are either sick or
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: quarantining due to exposure of sick players. Imagine you don't
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  Speaker 2: have enough players in the Olympics to play because of illnesses.
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  Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you Caine household is being ravaged,
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  Speaker 2: probably here here in my voice. I've been sick for
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: about a week now. My wife hasn't been able to
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  Speaker 2: talk for a week and a half. My daughter, oldest daughter,
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  Speaker 2: was originally sick. She got better last night. Vic I
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  Speaker 2: pick her up. She's got a fever and a cough.
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  Speaker 4: Again. It's just a carousel keeps coming back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it feels like a lot of people are
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  Speaker 2: getting hit with it. And I guess the Finishish women's
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  Speaker 2: hockey team might not have enough people to play tonight
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  Speaker 2: for their first game in the Olympics. Are you speaking
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  Speaker 2: of things you're excited or not excited about? We were
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  Speaker 2: just talking about this with the Super Bowl? What does
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  Speaker 2: the Olympics do for you? And hang on to that
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the Olympics does for me. It's
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  Speaker 3: one of those events. I'm gonna watch a hell out
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  Speaker 3: of it. Obviously, when you saddle up to the television
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  Speaker 3: at night and you're like, Okay, what's on?
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  Speaker 4: What we got here? What is this? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Oh they're doing that little ski jump? Then okay, I
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  Speaker 3: watch this. Oh interesting story about this dude. Huh Okay,
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  Speaker 3: little background information? Whoa you know. It's one of those things. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's what the Olympics has become for me. There's certain
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  Speaker 3: things you know not going to miss. If there's a
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  Speaker 3: key hockey game between the US and right right in Canada,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna watch that. But I don't know when things
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  Speaker 3: are taking place to you. Do you have a schedule
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  Speaker 3: Like I can't wait for the I can't wait for
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  Speaker 3: the ski rifle shooting or whatever they call that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I think I'm in the minority here. I'm a
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  Speaker 2: bigger summer guy than I am a winner guy, Like
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  Speaker 2: I get really into the swimming stuff. Swimming gets me,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe it's because I grew up watching Phelps every
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  Speaker 2: Olympics in I.
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  Speaker 3: Know how to swim, so I wish I had a
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  Speaker 3: little more respect. I mean, I watch it, but.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you because that's I can't get into the
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  Speaker 2: skiing For that reason, I've never skied, so I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't get into it. But the swimming, basketball,
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  Speaker 2: like all that stuff, Like, summer gets me a lot
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  Speaker 2: more than winter does.
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  Speaker 3: But in the winter, I think more people watch because
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  Speaker 3: you can't go outside and play. True, that is true,
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: You're stuck in front of your television. Yeah, it's February
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: and it's cold most of the By the way, you know,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: there are two hundred and thirty four Americans at the
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Winter Olympics. State of Colorado has the highest output of athletes.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Thirty one of those American Olympians are from the state
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: of Colorado, including Mikayla Shiffren.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I will be tuning in for
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Lindsay Vaughn because I gotta see it. I just saw
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: a workout video of her. She's doing squats and stuff
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: with the giant brace underneath. I'm just I don't know,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: this does crazy, It doesn't compute. Yeah, Like, how are
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: you able to do something and I've had people say this.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: It's like Brett I ruptured my acl when I was skiing,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: and I'm ski fine. Now I'm like, did you do
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: it a week later? A week because that's what she's doing.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: And did you do it going eighty miles an hour downhill? Yeah?
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Eighty miles an hour?
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: And are you competing at the highest level in the
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: entire world?
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: And if you had multiple injuries.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: It's on that crazy uh oh. By the way, as
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: we're waiting for Ryan to join us, this is huge news,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: by the way. Huge Now it doesn't have a Bronco
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: slant to it because I don't see any way this
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: would happen. But Jay Glazer yesterday is saying that Max
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Crosby is done in Vegas.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty clear he's tired of losing and all
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: he sees is more losing on the horizon.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Well he's look, he's been a good soldier man, he's
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: tried to gut that out. He's tried to be you know,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the the embodiment of the perfect raider and all that
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: different stuff. And I asked people this earlier. I know
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to hate everybody that plays in your division.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I love Max Crosby. I love him. He is the
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: exact kind of player I want on any football team.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Like he towes that line, maybe goes a little bit
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: over like you've seen it Vic. If he can't get
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to the quarterback but he's close, he'll throw an elbow
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: in your ribs just to be like, yeah, this is
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: how close I was to get your something. I love
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the guy. I don't think there's any way that he
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: would be a Bronco because they wouldn't. First of all,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think they trade him to Denver. But secondly,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: it's just I don't know if you have the compensation
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: that you want to give up to get him, because
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: he's going to cost at least a couple of first rounders.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: But if he's out of your division, good go to
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: the NFC and get the hell away from me.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: He's a He's one of those guys again, one of
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: the few raiders that you can actually respect. Yeah, and
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: at the same time, you know you don't want him
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: to win games, But man, I love his game.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: I love everything about it. Dude. That guy goes. That
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: guy goes one hundred on everything he does.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I mean he's been over that guy.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Who viciously brushes his teeth causes his gums to bleed.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Bro Vic, you've smoked cigars, right, Yeah, I like cigars.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: This man inhales cigars. That's a different human being. Okay,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: that's that you're taking a puff off of Marlborough. Okay,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: try one inhale of a cigar and see how your
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: body reacts to that. You feel like you're gonna die.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I do it on accidents sometimes and I feel like
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna die. That's how crazy he is.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: You're talking about taking that smoke all the way down
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: into your innards.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Dude, he did it. Now, there was some there's some
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: discrepancy on wasn't a cigar or a blunt? But I
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: have to imagine he wasn't smoking a blunt on the
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: NFL network set after a game, so I'm assuming that's
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: not it. He did the like you puff out the
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: cigar smoke in a little circle and then inhale it
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: right afterwards.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did a French inhale.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Bro To do that with a cigar is crazy work.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: How do those actors do it so well?
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: What do you mean the inhaling of the smoke like Bill,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Like Bob Thornton does it perfectly.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Like Peaky Blinders, always smoking cigarettes. So I heard actually
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: with what's his name, Killian Murphy, right, he said he
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: smoked so many of those that he was losing his voice.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: He was like coughing. But they weren't cigarettes. It was
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: some sort of herbal thing. It wasn't like tobacco. It's fake,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: but still it's like you're inhaling things it's not good for.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: But the penance of acting, I'll tell you what, VIC
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: give me eight thousand herbal cigarettes and pay me two
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: million dollars an episode orerever he's getting. I'll go ahead,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I'll take that. I'll do that trade. But Max Crosby
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: being out of the division is I think a massive
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: thing because it, first of all, with bow Nicks having
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: a wonky ankle right now, I don't want him smashing
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: that thing in the middle of a Raider game that
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: you're probably going to win, So just get that the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: hell out of here. But if you're Clint Kobi act,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: you're probably like, really, dude, I just got here. You're
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the best player. Please don't do this to me, Please don't.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: The question is does he get traded within the Conference,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: because if he goes to New England then I'm just
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: gonna like throw everything.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: I hate it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I think he'll end up wherever he ends up,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: He's going to make an impact. And I don't think
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: it's that big a deal from a progress perspective, because
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: the Raiders are still a couple of years away, don't
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: you think. I mean, even if Fernando Mendoza shines his
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: rookie year, he's going to be a rookie. You're not
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: really worried about the Raiders. Yeah, I'm more worried about
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs when they get Mahomes break. I'm clearly more
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: worried about the Chargers now that they've assembled a different
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: coaching staff behind Herbert.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: It's a different team there. Raiders are the least your worries,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: So quit worrying.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: How about Hackett being named OC in Arizona? Now, I
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: think that Lafleur is going to be calling the plays there,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: so he's sort of he's like a Joe Lombardi type.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: But can I ask a question about coaches once you
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: get a gig like Hackett did, which is he's been
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: OC multiple times. He's been a head coach before. Obviously here,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: even if you're really bad, do you always just get
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: a job? Is there anybody that's been so bad that
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: they've been like, no, never again, like completely out of
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the system. Adam Gase, right, Yeah, Adam Gase hasn't really,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: He's not been in the NFL in years, has he.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I saw him this summer at a du lacrosse game.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: He was in town and I asked him what he
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: was doing. He said, was just hanging, just hanging. But
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I haven't heard him emerge anywhere else.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: I haven't.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: The last time he coached was twenty twenty for the Jets.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Hasn't done anything since.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, Usually when you're in the system, you stay
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: in the system.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you get to know people and you're probably gonna
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: watch your services somewhere.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: You're in the good old boys club. But that's I
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: just I wonder how bad you have to be to
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: never get an opportunity again. Because Peyton said it's the
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: worst coaching job maybe in the history of the league,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and people are like, yeah, I'll still take a shot,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: but would want would.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: You want that lifestyle? Brett?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Be honest, You know everybody talks about coaching and know
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: how they get paid and the money's great.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: But take a look at Hackett's resume, take a look.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: At all the cities, all the teams he's worked for
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: over the last time in years, and you're you're dragging
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: your family across the country. It's it's you know, we've
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: talked to coach Sandford about it. Coach Sanford can relate
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: to this one of the reasons why he decided to
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: step down and go do high school.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Man. Yeah, you get tired of doing that. Man, you
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: get tired of.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: It that way.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: We've got all the different places he's had to live,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: hacke it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I enjoy seeing my family. Those guys don't see them.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Well, you don't see them. You don't see it. You
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: don't have a home, right.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: People are saying Urban Meyer guys, you don't think if
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: urban Meyer wants a college gig, he would.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Get one coach tomorrow.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: If Urban and I a decided, if he put an
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: ad out said I want to be a college head coach,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: he would have a line of colleges waiting, a high
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: premier colleges.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, poning up big money.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, Because he's been there and he's done that, He's
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: figured it out.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Now it's a different system today, but he's figured it out.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, three oh three five four nine two five. So again,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the trade deadline here is four and a half hours away,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if the Nuggets are going to
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: make a move over not. They still need to make
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: a decision with Spencer Jones. Here's my question. Why wouldn't
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: they what's the what's the hold up in just making
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: him a two way?
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the deal, because if the contract, well it
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: it relates to.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: The luxury tax and the repeater tax.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, if if they can part with a contract, let's
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: say they wanted to trade away hunter Tyson. Okay, that
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: opens up hunter Tyson's salary, and that opens up a
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: roster spot there. They could just move Spencer Jones to
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: that and then they can go get a bio contract
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: to boot after the after the fact, because there's gonna
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: be some bio contracts available after today, Lonzo Ball being
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: one of them. Lonzo Ball is going to be bought out,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: and he might be a viable alternative if you needed
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: a defensive guard for the playoffs.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Oh so if they make the decision on him, that
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: eliminates them from getting another guy exactly.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of moves that still can be
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: made by the Nuggets.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: But that's why I'm curious which way they go.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: If they just signed Spencer Jones to a full time
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: contract and did nothing else, that would tell me and
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: tell the rest of the world, Okay, they're good with
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: this roster.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: This is what they're gonna take to the playoffs. They
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: know the rotation.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: If they trade away a contract, if they traded Hunter Tyson,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: if they traded let's say, Zeke Nause and had to
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: add a couple of picks to trade them to another team,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: it tells me that they aspire to maybe add somebody
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: or they have some different plans for their playoff rotation.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: That's why I'm curious to see what we're Nuggets.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Fans fall on this because we've got, you know, over
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: four and a half hours before the trade deadline hits.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Now, what do you think they'll do well?
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I think they I don't think the question that they're
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: asking themselves is do we have a roster that's good
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: enough to win a championship. I think that answers yes,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and I think they know that. I think the question
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: they're facing right now is do we have a roster
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Hellee enough right now to get us in a proper seed.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Well, it's not just that.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: What is your playoff rotation In the playoffs, the rotation
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: is minimized.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: We've seen it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: It's eight to nine players and that's it. Yeah, you're
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: not going eleven deep in the playoffs.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: You just aren't.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: It's when they won a championship, it was at most
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: nine players, most of the time eight players. The beauty
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: of that twenty twenty three run take yourself back to it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Fortune is for the bold, but fortune is also fortune.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: They didn't have any injuries at all when they went
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: into that playoff stretch. Everybody was healthy, yep. And they
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: stayed healthy. Nobody went down to the muscle pool, nobody
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: went down with a sprained ankle. Their rotation, they're starting
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: five plus Christian Brown, Bruce Brown, Jeff Green. Right, those
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: are the three that came off the bench. Yep, Am
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I missing anybody?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Nope?
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: That was it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: They had a playoff rotation of eight guys. They were
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: all eight healthy the entire run.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: If if you really want to break it down, vic,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: since twenty twenty one, the only time that the Nuggets
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: were fully healthy. And I'm trying to remember the year afterwards.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Were they healthy when they lost two Minnesota in Game seven?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I think they were. They were just limited from a
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: roster standpoint. Every other year they've been hurt and that's
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: why they haven't hit like the the ultimate goal of
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: winning a championship. It feels like injuries have gotten in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the way you had the two years that Jamal was
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: out due to injury with the knee. Last year was
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: just it was ag, it was Jamal, it was Westbrook,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: it was Porter. By the way, I heard Porter on
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: that Cam Johnson podcast. I don't know if you listened
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: to some of that. He said the only thing that
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: hurt when he got traded was that they knew how
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: hurt he was during that playoff run. And he feels
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: like they kind of held his performance against him last
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: year in the playoffs. When he goes, I was operating
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: at maybe thirty percent because I couldn't lift my arm
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: above my shoulder, and he goes, I'm getting what is it?
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Was?
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: It toward all shots every game in his shoulder, just
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: to go out there and play, and he goes. The
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: only reason I kept doing that is I didn't think
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the team was gonna be good. Enough if I didn't
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: give it my best shot, like they didn't have the depth.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: But dude, they've been ravaged with injuries every year outside
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: of the championship run and maybe the year after that.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: So if you were to put together an eight man rotation,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: and this is where the Nuggets right now, the coaching
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: staff has to be looking at itself saying, who the
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: hell are we playing here?
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Because they haven't they haven't gotten a long enough look.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: They haven't been able to assess this.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I think they go deeper than eight this year in
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the postseason, though, I think.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: They do as well. I think nine and it's sometimes ten. Yeah,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: but you don't know who's gonna be available. And you
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: saw it last night against the Knicks. There were times
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: during that game where dudes are like, wait, what position
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: are you playing? Bruce Brown played power forward for the
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: last twenty minutes of the game.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: So here, if everybody's healthy, I think these are the
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: guys that play. You're starting five is Jamal I think
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: it's Christian p Watt, Gordon Joker. So there's your five.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Then I think Hardaway plays, Valancunis plays, Bruce Brown plays,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Cam Johnson plays, and I think the spot duty guy
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: might be Spencer Jones for defensive purposes, assuming that they
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: sign him to a full time contract.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Well, you start signing these guys hoping that you have
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: no injuries. But he's a perfect candidate in case somebody
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: does get injured. Yeah, to fill that spot, right right,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: that's what they become. Just in case, break break glass,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: just in case guy.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think there's a lot of that.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Dude, it's been so long since we've seen Cam Johnson now,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: you know, you almost forget that he's in the lineup,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Like I'm watching that game last night.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Got it?
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: He could really have a g Right, you're sitting there saying,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: it'd be great to have ag in this game because
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: he's he's the Nuggets annob, you know, and they got
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: they got their NNOB. It'd be great to have ag.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Cam plays here too. It'd be great to
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: have him out. I don't know what. I don't know
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: what his update is. I wouldn't be surprised if we
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: look at the injury report here in the next couple
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: of days and.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: He is upgraded to at least doubtful questionable.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I think so too.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: It'd be nice to see him get a game before
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the All Star Break at least one.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Game because he had the same thing as Joker, right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he had a weekend start.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: So he's got to be right around the corner.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Godwin, Joker, did you have the same reaction I had
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: last night in that game when he started limping around?
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh no, oh.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: No, I thought it was his knee again.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so did I.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: And it was an ankle, right, he just rolled it
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: because he was on the ankle, assuming that's what it was.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: M By the way, a reminder to you guys speaking
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: of the Nuggets, it is a Nugget ticket Thursday, and
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the keyword for this hour is cash and that's a
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: chance to get you in the building Ballerina next Wednesday
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: against the Grizzlies. So text cash in your first and
• 31:15
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• 31:18
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• 31:19
  Speaker 3: At the end of the show, let me make a
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: simple I'm gonna ask a simple question. Are you more
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: confident in the Nuggets chances than you were at the
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: start of the season? Less confident or the same? Here
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: we are we're at the All Star break, approaching next week,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: where this is not the midway point.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: We're beyond the midway point.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: But just from a schedule purpose, this is that that
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: track in the schedule, you start asking those questions.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: So are you the same as confident? The same? So
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: you're the same.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: I'll ask other Nuggets fans where do you stand? Because
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I'm slightly less confident. And the reason isn't because I'm
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: a I'm worried about the talent. I'm worried about do
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: they have enough time? Do they have enough time to
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: find it? Because clearly we are seeing now they're in
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: a three game losing streak.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Chemistry is real.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: You can't just throw these ingredients together and say go
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: get them a week before the playoffs. You can't do that.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: You gotta give them time to re establish that. I'm
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: a little worried about that.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: The reason why I'm the same is I've been oddly
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: encouraged despite losing three in a row that they've played
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: for their standard, a pretty bad brand of basketball with
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of people missing from your lineup, guys
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: in and out, and they've had a chance to win
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: against the elite teams in this league last three games,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: despite Joker being inefficient because he's missed timed, despite Christian
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Brown not being quite himself because he's missed a bunch
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: of time, Like, I still have a lot of confidence
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: that given you some ramp up here where these guys
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: are playing consistently, that they'll be okay. The issue is,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I'm making the assumption you've been so snake bitten early
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and in the middle of this season that that's got
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: to turn around at some point, that your injuries will
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: eventually subside.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: The early Lakers are trading Gabe Vincent and a twenty
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: thirty two second round pick to Atlanta for Luke Cannard.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: So the Lakers are adding more shooting to their lineup.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I mean they've got enough shooting, don't they. I mean
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: they've got Reeves, They've got Luca and Caernard. They seem
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: to want to go into the playoffs just with a
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: bunch of shooters at this point. But that's fine. That's
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: a mild move. How surprised would you be if the Nuggets?
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm just so if you're just tuning in,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: the Bulls traded Io Dsumnu, and I was hoping that
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: the Nuggets would have a shot at him because he's
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: just a good two way Guard traded him in Minnesota
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: for a bunch of picks essentially, and Rob Dillingham and
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: the Nuggets could not have They could not have played
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: that game.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: They just don't have the necessary assets to make that trade.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they don't have that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I would have loved to have had them. But if
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: that's the cost, then you were always out of that race.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: That's a big move from Minnesota, it really is, because
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: it's an expiring contract and they probably have every intent
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: of picking it up, and they now own the bird
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: rights to dissume noons so they can give them a
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: longer term deal.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see where that goes.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: But that's one that I wish the Nuggets had a
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: shot at three.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Zero three five four oh nine two five. Got Jeff
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Lagwald around the corner, hoping to connect with Ryan Harris
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: at some point Instagram. Vic on Radio Row in San
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Francisco is all things to Colorado off Road, Colorado grown,
• 34:34
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• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Jeff Lagwald's going to join us in a few minutes,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: but Vicky had the opportunity to talk to somebody yesterday.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, for longtime Broncos fans. I've mentioned this before.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: You get a little bit of everybody that goes through
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Radio Row here, current players, former players. Most of them
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: are selling something, sponsoring something, you know, bounty Yeah, stuff
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: like that. Jeremiah Casteele, you talk about a blast from
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: the past if you're a longtime Bronco fans and I
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: say the name Jeremiah Casteele.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: I brought it up before on the show.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: He produced the greatest defensive play in Bronco's history. The
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: second greatest might be the interception by Jakwaan McMillan the
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: when we saw in the Buffalo game. Yeah, that was
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: huge change the game. But the biggest defensive play in
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: the history of Broncos football came in nineteen eighty seven
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: in the AFC Title Game at Mile High Stadium against
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns. Or in late in the game, the
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Broncos were up by seven, the Browns are driving, Ernest
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Beiner had nothing but goal on in front of him,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: and here comes Jeremiah Casteele, a little used nickel corner
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: who forced to fumble in that game and changed the
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: course that game. In frankly history, Cleveland was cursed forever.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Against the Denver Broncos. Jeremiah was here yesterday. He's chounting
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: a book with the Sun, and I had a chance
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: to catch up with him and reminisce about that eighty seventeen,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven, Ernest Biner is about to score a
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: touchdown for the Cleveland Browns. This is a a year
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: removed from the Drive, and we're like, oh no, the
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Broncos may lose this game, and you show up and
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: force a fumble.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Take us through that play. Where were you? What were
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: you reading at the time?
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: Well, actually I was the nickelback in that game, so
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: I came in in passing situations. But if I had
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: to be totally honest, big, that was a prayer answer.
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: And what I mean is do we all of us
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: press the week prior to that game? You know, with
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: the Drive the year before, most of the reporters man,
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: we predict Cleveland's gonna win this game.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: So I was saying, Lord, let me get in that
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: game and make something happen. Literally.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: And so fourth quarter of that game, with about five minutes, Joe,
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: call your runs over. I'm sitting on the side of
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: it's cold. Call that game. I got my jacket on
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: and he says Castill. I said, yeah, he said, you're
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: in the game. So I'm in the game. Go in
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: the game. They come down and score on a quick
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: slap to webterslaughter, and so they kick the ball off.
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: Duf hold us. We punt it back to them twenty
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: thirty forty fifty forty thirty twenty by many thirty five seconds.
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: They're on the eight yard line and Joe calls the
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: same play he called when I gave up the touchdown
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: in Webster slaughter to Bernie Cozar, and.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: I'm like, why are we running that stupid play?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Wait, I got beat last time.
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: So as I'm lining up, the thought comes, Hey, you
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: lined up like this last time, You're gonna get beat
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: again with this man bump is what it was. Helped
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: from the safety inside. So I decided to back off,
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: take a hard outside and that's.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: What allowed me to see the play.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: That's freed you up.
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: Yes, So they hand the ball off to Ernest and
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: uh we meet on about three yard line, and what
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: I believe is Ernest was so close to scoring because
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: he had already scored three touchdown up until that point.
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: He started to raise the ball and that caught my eye. Well,
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: what do you do every week in practice?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: You punch you, you just pop the.
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: Ball, you just pu So hey, I sound like a
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: good idea to me instead of hitting this big old rascal.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Don't you feel sorry for Ernest Binder? That poor guy would.
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: Know it, don't know it, don't I don't feel sorry
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: for His job is to score.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Mine was to keep him from score. So he was
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: trying to do his job.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the change the game, and clearly the Broncos go
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: on to attend another Super Bowl, which they lost. But
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: you know, I do want to say, in the course
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: of Broncos playoff history, those two plays Jay Kwan McMillan
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: and JEREMIAA. Steele go hand in hand. Now, I also
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: want to admit the greatest defensive play in Super Bowl history.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: And for some reason, when I look at the playoffs,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I forget the Super Bowl are part of the playoffs. Yeah,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: there are two plays that obviously supersede those the ones
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: that in super Bowl history, the von Miller's stripsack.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: I'm reminded in super Bowl fifty. Yeah, that changed the
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: course of that game.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: And the interception by John Mobley in Super Bowl thirty
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: two which sealed the deal for the Denver Broncos huge.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: So I'm obviously wrong on historical analysis of the playoffs.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at just non Super Bowl playoffs, which I
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: should have stressed there. Those two plays, especially at Mile
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: High Stadium, I'll never forget them.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Jae Kwon McMillan and jeremiahah Steele. They'll go hand in.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Hand, dude.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: The way.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: It's amazing that the amount of different plays that have
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: been made in the postseason by the and what's gotten
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: you to this, you know, widely respected, one of the
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: most respected franchises in the NFL.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: And the razor's edge between winning and losing. Just individual
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: plays like that. Like I said, he adjusted, you know,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: he saw it coming. He said, now I'm not going
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: to do that again. I'm gonna just where I set up.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: And it's like that's all it took to give him
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: that opportunity.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Somebody chimed in said, how about Champs Pick six against
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: the Patriots in two.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Thousand and five. That was big.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a divisional playoff game, took it all
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: the way. That was clearly a very memorable play. Broncos
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: won that game I think by double digits, So I
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: think it was a little different the Buffalo the j
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Kwon McMillan, man, that's just crazy.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's it's also because it's such an unbelievable
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: individual effort that was followed by so much controversy afterwards.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Like if you've got an entire franchise, including their owner,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: talking about how they got the call wrong, and it's
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: just like all right, fine whatever. Yeah, but it seriously
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: that play from Ja Kwan might have changed the entire
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: way we view Josh Allen. Think about it. If Josh
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Allen makes that play, they're in field goal territory and overtime,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: they probably keep a field goal, win the game, and
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: then they move on. They play the Patriots. If the
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Patriots played that way against Buffalo, I'd have to assume
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: that Buffalo is going to win. It's just crazy.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: And there are also plays that just live on their own.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: When I say to you Super Bowl and everybody keeps
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: bringing up the Mobley play, he deflected, he didn't intercept
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: the ball. But when you think of Super Bowl thirty
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: two as a Bronco fan, what play comes to mind?
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: And I know the play, you know the play. It's
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: the Alway helicopter. Yeah, it's that's the play. When you
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: think of one play, it's an offensive play. As much
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: as Mobley saved the game, it was always helicopter. That
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: will be the most memorable play from that game.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: It just is.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: When I say to you, Broncos Browns nineteen eighty seven,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: well play it's the one we just interview Jeremiah Casteel
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: about the fumble. When I say Bronco's buffalo this year,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: what's the play, it's Jakwon mcmillin's.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: That's going to be the play. Some players just live alone.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: They live forever.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Defensive offensive that those plays live forever, and the Broncos
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: have had a few of them.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Before we get to Jeff Legwold at the top of
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the hour. Just quickly here, going back to the Anthony
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Davis trade, Can I ask you this question, what are
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: the Wizards doing?
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: What's been in themselves for the fourteenth time in the
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: last four years, But.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: What's in it for them? Washington is thirteen and thirty six?
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: What are they going to do with Anthony Davis? That's
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that's not a buyer's record, that's a seller's record.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know you got Trey Young n
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: ad now one is injury prone and has been thrown
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: around the other one. Think about Trey Young's career. He
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: was drafted ahead of Luca and Atlanta eventually just said
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: forget this, we're down with.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: You, right, And he's I don't know, he's a decent
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: enough player. I mean, I know they're they're doing this
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: for the future, but I don't think anybody can look
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: at Anthony Davis and I don't know how old is
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: ad By the way.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: It's got to be at least thirty two, thirty three.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: He's thirty two, but it feels like he's forty. I mean,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: he's hurt all the time.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Body's sixty four.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: His body, he's got Moser's body.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Constantly breaking down. But I just I don't get I
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: don't know what's in it for them.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: In all of this.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what's in it for them. I
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: don't know what they're planning on doing. You said it,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: they're reinventing themselves again, but the way they've done it
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: in the past seems to stink. So whatever. Jeff Lagwell's
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: going to join us in just a few minutes. Super
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Bowl sixty right here. Altitude Sports Radio ninety two to five,
• 43:53
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• 43:56
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• 43:59
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• 44:03
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