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Shanna Moakler Dishes on Exes, Pageants, Playboy & Everything In Between · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rachel Yucatel. My next guest, you have
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  Speaker 1: to be living under a rock if you haven't heard
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  Speaker 1: her name. Shana Mochler is a model, actress, reality TV star,
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  Speaker 1: and most recently she was competing on Celebrity Big Brother.
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  Speaker 1: No stranger to being in the headlines, Shayna has been
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  Speaker 1: linked to some very famous men. Oscar de la Hoya,
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  Speaker 1: Travis Barker, Billy Idol, Dennis Quaid, just to name a few.
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  Speaker 1: But her fame goes much deeper than who she's with.
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  Speaker 1: She was the winner of the Miss America pageant in 1995,
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  Speaker 1: runner-up to the Miss USA, and has been Playboy Playmate
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  Speaker 1: of the Month. To talk about all this and where
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  Speaker 1: she came from and where she's going, say hi to
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  Speaker 1: Shayna Mochler.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Rachel. Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for coming. I'm so happy to see you.
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  Speaker 1: You look so beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: You too.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. So I want to hear like how you
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  Speaker 1: got started. Where are you from and what did you
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  Speaker 1: want to be when you grew up? Sure.
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  Speaker 2: I'm originally from Rhode Island, the smallest state in the union,
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  Speaker 2: born and raised. I had a love for entertainment since
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  Speaker 2: I was a very little girl. I would watch Barbie
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  Speaker 2: commercials and I would see, you know, most girls wanted
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  Speaker 2: the Barbies. I wanted to be the little girl on
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  Speaker 2: the Barbie commercial. You know, I had a big love
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  Speaker 2: for musicals like Singing in the Rain and And that's,
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  Speaker 2: I just always had a passion for that and wanted
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  Speaker 2: to get in the entertainment industry. I was a really
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  Speaker 2: late bloomer and my parents were like, I don't think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is, I wanted to be a model.
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  Speaker 2: And back then that was the era of the supermodel, the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, five, 10, Cindy Crawford's, Naomi Campbell's. And I
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  Speaker 2: was 4'11 and 75 pounds and not growing. Yeah. My
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  Speaker 2: parents were like, I don't think this is going to
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  Speaker 2: work out for you. But I started doing kid modeling
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  Speaker 2: in Providence and I got national campaigns as a junior model.
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  Speaker 2: And then I eventually did grow and I started doing pageantry.
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  Speaker 2: I was Miss Rhode Island Teen USA, Miss Teen All American.
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  Speaker 2: I did Miss New York USA. That's when I finally
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  Speaker 2: became Miss USA. And that's what got me to Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: Got it. So tell me what that was like being
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  Speaker 1: in the pageant. So how do you get involved in that?
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  Speaker 1: How do you find the best swimsuit? How do you
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  Speaker 1: find what you want to talk about? Tell me all
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: Um, well, you know, because I was so hungry to
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  Speaker 2: be in the entertainment industry and there just wasn't one
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  Speaker 2: in Providence, Rhode Island, I did everything I could. So
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  Speaker 2: I did mannequin modeling in malls. I handed out perfume
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  Speaker 2: samples and we had a John Casablanca's modeling school. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you remember those.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that.
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  Speaker 2: And I went to one and the producers and the
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  Speaker 2: recruiters for the pageant would go to the modeling school
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  Speaker 2: and they saw me and they were like, you should
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  Speaker 2: really do modeling. our pageant. And I was like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the first year I did really good. I
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  Speaker 2: was first runner up, but I had no clue what
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  Speaker 2: I was doing. But my mom and dad knew how
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  Speaker 2: much I loved it. And, you know, pageantry is really
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  Speaker 2: cool because it's not just about winning the crown. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: you really learn about yourself and you meet friends and
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  Speaker 2: there's lots of fun activities and And I just enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: So I went back the next year and I ended
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  Speaker 2: up winning. But I got coaches. I worked with coaches.
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  Speaker 2: I worked with etiquette coaches. I did media training, makeup classes, walking,
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  Speaker 2: like you name it. And that's what I actually do today.
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  Speaker 3: I give back to the girls that I work with today.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of help them on their journeys.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And so what was like, tell me like one of
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  Speaker 1: your experiences, what was the best time you had doing it?
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  Speaker 2: Um, gosh, I guess winning Miss New York USA was really,
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  Speaker 2: really exciting. There were over 200 girls. I was only 19,
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  Speaker 2: 18 and a half years old. And I was going
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  Speaker 2: up women who were, you know, up against women who
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  Speaker 2: were 28 years old, you know, who graduated college. Some
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  Speaker 2: of them, you know, were attorneys. And so that crown
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  Speaker 2: for me was very, very exciting. I learned a lot
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  Speaker 2: about myself and I obviously got to go to Miss
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  Speaker 2: USA and compete on on CBS with Dick Clark and
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  Speaker 2: all these incredible people with 50 other women across the country.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a really incredible time. I got to
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  Speaker 2: work with hundreds of different charities too, which was like
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  Speaker 2: epic for me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's amazing. So then you said you, that's what
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  Speaker 1: took you out to LA.
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  Speaker 4: What did you want to do next? I, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I started off modeling right out of high school.
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  Speaker 2: I moved to Miami, New York, Boston, Providence. I modeled
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  Speaker 2: all over the East coast and I was actually really successful,
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  Speaker 2: but I always wanted to be an actress. I always
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  Speaker 2: wanted to be on television or in movies. So getting
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  Speaker 2: to move to LA and be Miss USA, I got
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  Speaker 2: to travel the country, work with charities, but I got
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  Speaker 2: to sign with William Morris and that was massive. I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I got to, I got on my first
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  Speaker 2: television show, Pacific Blue as a series regular, which was
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  Speaker 2: really cool. But I always, always wanted to be an
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  Speaker 2: actress and, you know, we're always stereotyped as women, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like it's like, oh, you want to be a model? Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you can't do that. Oh, well, models can't act. You know,
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  Speaker 2: pageant girls can't, you know, model. Models can't act. And
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  Speaker 2: so it was really kind of cool getting to break
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  Speaker 2: those stereotypes and just keep doing and pursuing what I loved.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And so how long did you act when you
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  Speaker 1: went to LA? What else did you do?
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, I really, I came right out of the gates running.
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  Speaker 2: I was on Pacific Blue, CSI, NCIS, Entourage. I think
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  Speaker 2: I'm really well known for being in The Wedding Singer.
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  Speaker 2: I was the stewardess who said, you know, there's this
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  Speaker 2: creeping coach who thinks he's Don Johnson. He said I
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  Speaker 2: was grade A top choice meat. So that's like a
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  Speaker 2: very famous line that everyone loves from the wedding singer.
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  Speaker 2: I was in movies like Love Stinks, all kinds of great,
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  Speaker 2: great projects. I did hosting. And then eventually I got
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  Speaker 2: on my reality show on MTV with my ex-husband.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So before we get into that, now, how did
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  Speaker 1: you meet Billy Idol? Didn't you meet him on that
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  Speaker 1: movie that you just mentioned?
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  Speaker 2: I met Billy Idol on the set of The Wedding Singer.
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  Speaker 2: He was in the scene that I was in. And
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  Speaker 2: It's so crazy because I had such a crush on
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  Speaker 2: him in the eighties when I was like nine, I
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  Speaker 2: was like nine years old. And I had this big
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  Speaker 2: Billy Idol pin that I would like wear my jean jacket.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought he was so cool. So when I
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  Speaker 2: met him, when I was like 19, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: was a lot older then, but I was still like,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God, it's Billy Idol. I was so like starstruck.
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  Speaker 2: It was so stupid. But he was really nice. We
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  Speaker 2: ended up dating for like three or four months. It's
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  Speaker 2: kind of funny.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing. So Do you have any good memories of him
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  Speaker 1: or things you want to share about him that we
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't know?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was, you know, it was just really funny.
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  Speaker 2: I just remember being on set of The Wedding Singer
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  Speaker 2: and I was so nervous because of him. I had
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  Speaker 2: one line. I had that one line, the line of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this creeping coach thinks he's Don Johnson. And
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  Speaker 2: it was the last shot of the night. It was
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  Speaker 2: like 11 o'clock at night. Everyone had been working all day.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone wanted to go home. And, you know, Billy was
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  Speaker 2: just sitting there just waiting for me to spit this
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  Speaker 2: line out. And I couldn't get the line out. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't say it right. Like, I was like, this
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  Speaker 2: guy thinks I'm top choice grade.
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  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
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  Speaker 5: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
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  Speaker 5: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve
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  Speaker 5: a treat.
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  Speaker 6: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
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  Speaker 6: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
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  Speaker 2: Gee, um, oh, and they, it took me like 15,
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  Speaker 2: 20 takes to do it. And I had one line.
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  Speaker 2: And to this day, I, I went home and I cried.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember the next day I had to go
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  Speaker 2: back to set and Adam made like this song and
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  Speaker 2: he would call me 16 take Shana, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he makes those goofy little songs up and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he made light of it and stuff. But for me,
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  Speaker 2: it was the most, like, I was so embarrassed. And so,
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  Speaker 2: but They all made me feel really good the next day.
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  Speaker 2: And Billy was really cool about it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously.
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  Speaker 2: I still get to go on a date with him.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Obviously, you got his attention, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So after that is when you met Oscar De La Hoya, correct?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, correct. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about that. First of all, how'd you meet him?
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, I met Oscar, you know, we used to run
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  Speaker 2: around Hollywood and go to the nightclubs. And after we
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  Speaker 2: would all go to this place called Cantor's, this like
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  Speaker 2: Jewish deli that we would all, you know, but I
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  Speaker 2: would always, one of my best friends worked security. And
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  Speaker 2: so we would all like run around to the different clubs.
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  Speaker 2: Then we would go meet our friend who was doing
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  Speaker 2: security at this club. And one time the club was
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  Speaker 2: still going, we were early. And I remember this guy
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  Speaker 2: walked by and, And he had like this big crowd
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  Speaker 2: around him and my friend and this other security guard
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  Speaker 2: came up and they were like, dude, do you know
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  Speaker 2: who that is? Dude, do you know who that is?
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  Speaker 2: And they were like, that's Oscar de la Hoya. And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, cool. Is that like the fighter guy? Like,
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  Speaker 2: I really know. I just thought he was like cute.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, he's like, I've heard about him.
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  Speaker 2: He's like the one all the women like love. He's
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  Speaker 2: like really cute. And they're like, do you want to
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  Speaker 2: meet him? And I was like, sure, I'll go meet him.
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  Speaker 2: And they brought me over to him and we just
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  Speaker 2: like locked eyes and had a drink and that was it.
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  Speaker 2: We were like inseparable. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We danced like all night. And then he invited me
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  Speaker 2: up to Big Bear where he was training for his fight.
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  Speaker 2: We went to a, we flew private to this like
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  Speaker 2: well to a heavyweight champion fight in Vegas. And it
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  Speaker 2: was just really, really fun.
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  Speaker 1: What was that like going to his?
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, watch, you know, I'll, I'll be honest. I don't
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  Speaker 2: like watching the men I love fight at all. It
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  Speaker 2: was the most nerve wracking thing to watch him fight.
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  Speaker 2: I knew he was prepared. I knew he was very talented.
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  Speaker 2: I knew he was, you know, going to be just fine,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, it's a lot of hard work and sacrifice.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you can't have sex with them for like
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  Speaker 3: the whole time they're training.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, they don't let you have sex
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  Speaker 2: with them while they're training. At least his camp didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I remember his father being like, it's important that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's focused and you cannot have sex with him. And
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  Speaker 2: I'd be like, okay. Yeah, it was so crazy.
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  Speaker 1: So you couldn't be a distraction, probably.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely could not be a distraction. But, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they were up in Big Bear. They were there for
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  Speaker 2: months at a time. He was up from five in
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  Speaker 2: the morning training, you know, diet, nutrition, you know, sparring. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it was, it was tough, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: when he would win, it was such a fantastic celebration,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, it was so much accumulating to that
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  Speaker 2: actual fight. So it was very nerve wracking. And just
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  Speaker 2: watching someone you love get punched in the face is never,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a good feeling.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I would have felt like Adrian and Rocky. It
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  Speaker 1: would have been so exciting. So how long did you
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  Speaker 1: guys end up dating?
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  Speaker 2: We were together for three years. We got engaged, um,
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  Speaker 2: about six months into our relationship. Um, I also became
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  Speaker 2: pregnant with our, our gorgeous daughter who's now who just
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  Speaker 2: turned 24. I can't even take it. Yeah. She just
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  Speaker 2: turned 24. Uh, she's a spitting image of him. She's
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  Speaker 2: so absolutely beautiful. And, um, yeah, yeah, we were, we
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  Speaker 2: were together for about three years. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I read how you guys broke up, which seems
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  Speaker 1: a little bit crazy. Is that true? Tell us what
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  Speaker 1: actually happened.
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  Speaker 2: It was true. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. I actually just did.
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  Speaker 2: He's actually doing an HBO documentary right now. That's going
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  Speaker 2: to be coming out in September and I get really
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  Speaker 2: in depth. I was actually surprised that they really wanted
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  Speaker 2: me to talk about it to the extent that they did,
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  Speaker 2: but they, they said, nope, this isn't a fluff piece.
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  Speaker 3: This is, you know, we're really going to share with
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  Speaker 3: the public.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the, the nitty and the gritty. So I
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  Speaker 2: was like, okay, well, here you go. But yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we were together and, you know, we were, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: think we were having too many problems, but we were
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  Speaker 2: having normal, I think, you know, we just had a baby,
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  Speaker 2: you know, new, new parent kind of problems, things like that.
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  Speaker 2: And he was traveling a lot and he was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in training a lot as well. So, um, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: think things were too bad, but, uh, we were, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he said, I'm going to go to New York. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to go do David Letterman. When I come back,
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  Speaker 2: let's just start fresh. And, you know, we'll, we'll just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's like, go buy some art, you know,
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  Speaker 2: go get some things for the house and we'll just
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  Speaker 2: start fresh. I love you. And I was like, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I did that weekend. I went like shopping.
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  Speaker 2: I got some things for the house, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: was taking care of the baby. She was about one
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  Speaker 2: and a half. And, um, And when he came back,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't hear from him. And I remember that night,
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  Speaker 2: it was like a Monday or Tuesday night and the
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  Speaker 2: Latin Grammys were on. And I was at home with
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  Speaker 2: my girlfriend and my mom and we were watching the
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  Speaker 2: Latin Grammys. And all of a sudden they said, next
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  Speaker 2: up on the red carpet is Oscar de la Hoya.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, what do you mean? And it
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  Speaker 2: was in LA. And I was like, he's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be in New York doing Letterman, like. Why is he
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  Speaker 2: in LA at the Latin Grammys? Why am I not
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  Speaker 2: with him at the Latin Grammys? I'm so confused right now.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was very strange. So we were all
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  Speaker 2: kind of like waiting for this commercial to come back.
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  Speaker 2: And it was like the longest, you know, 60 seconds
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  Speaker 2: of my life. And then there he was with his ex-wife, Millie.
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  Speaker 2: But at the time he was just on the red
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  Speaker 2: carpet with another woman holding hands. And I just remember,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like in Kill Bill when that like, eee,
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  Speaker 2: that like sound. I just remember like not hearing anything
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  Speaker 2: and just like my heart just breaking and, and I
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  Speaker 2: was humiliated and I just was like, what the hell
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  Speaker 2: is happening? And he was holding her hand and like
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  Speaker 2: walking like they were a couple. And, and I just
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  Speaker 2: was at home and our baby was in her nursery
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  Speaker 2: in the other room. And I just, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: just lost sense of, reality for a good couple of
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  Speaker 2: minutes there. And I remember just crying and my mom
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  Speaker 2: and my girlfriend consoling me and being like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: obviously I tried to call him. No one was answering.
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  Speaker 2: And the next day they just had an attorney come
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  Speaker 2: to the house and ask if the baby and I
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  Speaker 2: would go to a hotel. And I said, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this is our home. Like things have to
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  Speaker 2: be like taught. Like I need to talk to someone
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  Speaker 2: like I need help here, you know? So it was, um,
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  Speaker 2: and I was only like 25 years old. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I look back now and I thought I was this grownup,
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  Speaker 2: you know, now that I'm 48 and I look back,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, it was just a baby. You know,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: it was just a baby. You had a baby. And,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: you know, it was actually like a pretty scary time,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: but I got through it.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you did get through it. And that was a
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: woman he ended up marrying later. Is that what you said?
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: He ended up marrying her and he was with her
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: for about, I think like 10 years. Yeah. They have
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: three children together.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: So it didn't end up being a one night stand
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: per se.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: So that should make you feel a little better. Yeah.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, you know, hey, I get you
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: fall out of love with people. I get things change.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Like at least give me the I still feel to
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: this day. And I even said this in the documentary.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you can you can let someone
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: go with dignity.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: before bed or two, you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: a treat.
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: flavor you favor with Cadbury dairy milk.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Honesty, you know, that was just like really, really humiliating.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm sure. So how did your life end
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: up being with him and co-parenting? Do you guys get
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: along now? Do you talk now?
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Um we did not co-parent at all he just left
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: um he told me that if i went and um
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: uh if i went and um sued for palimony um
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: obviously i was going to get child support but if
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: i sued for palimony um he wouldn't see my daughter
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: and i till she was 16 years old which i
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: thought was just an idle threat i didn't i was
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: like how would you not see her like who would
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: do that but he did he didn't um he didn't
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: see his daughter and I until she was about 16
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: years old. He was financially very supportive, which I'm very
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: grateful for. I'm very thankful that I had that support
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: so that I could raise her the best to my
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: ability as a single mom, basically. And then when he
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: did kind of come back, he was really good there
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: for a little while. And we actually were co-parenting and
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: We did have some talks. He did apologize to me about,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: you know, how things were handled, but it was a
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: very long time to wait for an apology. And it
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: was a very, you know, I look back, I can't
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: change anything about it. I feel like I did the
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: best that I could as a mom to give my
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: daughter everything that she, you know, that I could possibly
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: do on my own without his presence. I tried to
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: surround her with positive male role models. I would even
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: ask the schools, you know, like, put her in a
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: class with a male teacher. You know, I want her
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: to have strong male role models. I did everything I could. Um,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: we were getting along pretty good, but I guess he
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: has a new girlfriend now and, um, we don't speak
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: anymore and I'm okay with it.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: And what about his relationship with his daughter, your daughter?
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Are they now in touch?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: They were working. They were doing really good. They were
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: having a pretty great relationship, but I really don't know
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: where it stands right now. I think since he's entered
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a new relationship, I think, you know, he's just one
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: of those guys that like, you know, shifts when he's
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: with a certain kind of woman. You know, some guys
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: are like that. Some guys, they just really... they just,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: they just, um, they, I mean, women do it too,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I guess, you know, I mean, sometimes when people get
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: into new relationships, they just, you know, they go MIA.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Everybody else doesn't matter. And their whole life. Yeah.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: People just do that sometimes.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: And so, um, you know, just time, time changes things.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Um, so in between, so it sounds like you got
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of financial support. You didn't necessarily have to
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: run and go get a job.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I definitely did not have to struggle. And I'm, and I'm,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: and I got to really give my daughter a great education.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I got to give, you know, my daughter a very
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: comfortable life where, and I, and for that, I'm truly,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: truly thankful for that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: So did you, that's great. So did you end up
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: being able to take a little bit of break from
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: work and just be a mom for a And what'd
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: you do during that?
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Just literally be like a single mom? I, yeah, I mean,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I was really just kind of a single mom and,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: you know, I, I shortly after about two or three
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: years later, I met Travis when she was about, um,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: about three, three or.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Four years old. Um, but, um, I also started directing
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: my pageants, you know, I'm the executive director for Miss Nevada,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: USA and Miss Utah, USA. Um, Um, that's a full-time
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: year long job. So I always worked on my pageants
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: and kind of gave back to my girls. Um, but
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: back then I was the director for Miss California USA, which,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: which was pretty massive. So, um, yeah, I kind of
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: did my pageants. I did my acting gigs. I still
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: worked and, um, and I took care of my daughter.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: And somewhere in there, was that when you were offered Playboy?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, correct. Yes. I was offered Playboy in like 2001.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I was Miss December 2001. They had offered it to
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: me when I was on Pacific Blue, but Oscar didn't
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: want me to do it. And so I turned it down.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: They actually offered me a celebrity pictorial and I turned
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: it down. And then when they came back again, they said, well,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: we want you to be a playmate this time, not
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: a celebrity. And I was just like, you know, I
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: really don't care. I think Playboy is so awesome. I
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: think it would be really fun. And it was one
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of the best things I ever did. I just love
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: my Playboy family. And it was such an honor to
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: be a part of it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: So what was that like? Did you get to meet Hugh?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, God. Yeah. I met Hef when I was Miss
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: USA when I was 19. I did a charity event
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: at the Playboy Mansion with all the chefs in L.A.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: And I remember he came up to me and he said,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: you know, you truly are a beautiful young woman. And
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I thought, that's the coolest compliment ever coming from the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: coolest man. You know, just because he, you know, I mean,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: he's seen all the most beautiful women in the world
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: and has dated. He didn't want to date me. He
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: was married to Kimberly at the time. He was just
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: being kind. And I met Hef so many times. I
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: played backgammon with Hef. I would go to the Sunday
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: movie nights. He opened up his home to us. We
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: would have gaming and volleyball.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: And go in the grotto and we could tan and
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: use his gym.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And he had wonderful buffet dinners for us. And of course,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: we watched the newest movies out. And it was really
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: just like wonderful friends. And no one objectified us or
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: made us feel sexually harassed. It was just class. And
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: it was always so much fun.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Did you end up seeing the documentary made about him? Playboy?
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I refuse to watch it. I won't watch the documentary.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I have personally been up there so many times and
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: for so many years, I've watched so many of those women,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of those girls who claim to be girlfriends
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and playmates. And I just, I think it's disgusting what
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: they're saying about him. And I think it's absolutely horrid.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: He was a wonderful man to a lot of, a
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: lot of women. He helped a lot of women. He
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: put a lot of women up. who were dealing with
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: drug habits, poverty. He helped women with their children when
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: their husbands left them. He did a lot of incredible
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: things for a lot of people. And I think talking
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: about him after his passing is just vile.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I won't say- Without giving him an opportunity to fire
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: back or have his say, right?
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Of course, yeah. I think taking shots at someone who's
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: passed away, who- can't defend himself. I just think this
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: is in tarnishing the name of someone who is really
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: good to people. I just think it's vile.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: So why do you think some of those women said
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: what they said? Do you think that might've been their
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: experience or they're just looking for fame or what do
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you think?
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I think they're looking for money and fame. 100%.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm glad to hear that wasn't your experience.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I had also, I also had met him and he
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: had been very, you know, respectful and kind, and I
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: did not have that experience as well. So when you
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: were doing that, you were dating for a brief amount
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: of time, Dennis Quaid, right?
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I did date Dennis. Yeah. For, for on and off
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: for almost a year.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, so not too short of a time. And
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: did he have something to do with your decision to
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: do Playboy at this point?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I talked to Dennis about Playboy. You know, it was
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: something that I really, you know, thought about because I
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: really always wanted to be an actress. I love being
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: on scripted television shows. And, you know, at the time
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it was still a little taboo. And I wanted, you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I really thought long and hard if it would hurt
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: my career, if it would hurt my image, if people
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: want to take me seriously. But really at the end
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of the day, the roles that I was being casted
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: for were always the blondes.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: a treat.
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: On bimbo or the pretty girl or the, I wasn't,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: you know, no one was giving me the opportunity to
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: showcase my, my talents. I was going to have to,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you know, dye my hair black and cut it and,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: you know, to try, I wasn't going to do that. So, um,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: you know, I just, I talked to Dennis, you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and he was like, I really don't think it's going
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: to bother, you know, hurt your career either way. Just,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: you know, go have fun, use the press. you know,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: get some opportunity from it and enjoy it. And he
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: was right. It didn't hurt my career at all. And
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: it was actually a really awesome, awesome experience. And I
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: still worked. I still did lots of great TV and
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: movie projects.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: So after that, did you find you got more notoriety?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Did you become more famous from doing that?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Oh God. Yeah. It was so great. You know, back
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: then Playboy had like a modeling agency and they would
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: send us out on all kinds of stuff. I did
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: lots of hosting for the E channel. I don't think,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that show. It was
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: like party central or something like that. Brooke Burke, you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: she hosted that one show and yeah, I got to
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: host tons of shows on E and yeah, it really
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: kind of spiraled into all these, these great opportunities. It was,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: it was awesome.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: So from there, you went on to meet Travis. How
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: did you meet him?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I met Travis out of the nightclub on sunset. I
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: forgot what it was called. It was over at the
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: sunset marquee, not sky bar, but it was this other
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: little bar. And my girlfriend liked one of his bandmates
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: and I didn't know who Blink-182 was in any capacity.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: So I just remember going in and, you know, back
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: then he had a Mohawk and I know lots of
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: people wear Mohawks now, but back then they did not.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And he had lots of tattoos and, you know, Oscar
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: was pretty clean cut. And so was Dennis, you know,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: they were pretty clean cut guys, no tattoos, things like that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: And I just remember my girlfriend, you know, was talking
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: to his bandmate and I was like, and they were like, oh,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: he's in the middle of getting a divorce. And I
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: was like, oof, I don't want any, I don't want
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to be involved with a guy who's in the middle
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: of a divorce. You know, I was like, I'm single.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling finally in a really good place after Dennis
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and Oscar. And, but I was like, I'll be your wingman.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I'll hang out with, you know, I'll be your wing girl.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: And I just remember being like, kind of like, holy shit.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: He has like this Mohawk and tattoos and neck tattoos.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: And I was like, whoa. But we just like, I
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: remember we just talked and we just like, it was
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: like the same thing. Like with Oscar, it was like kismet.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: And I just, I knew, I knew I was going
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: to marry him. I knew I was going to have
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: like his children and I knew it was going to
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: be a very epic sort of relationship.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: So- What is he like as a person? Is he affectionate?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Is he like just as affectionate as we see these
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: days with you?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, sorry, I'm getting comfortable. Yeah, he's he's
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: very affectionate. He's a very, very romantic man. I mean, obviously,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you can see that even in his newfound relationship. He's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: very romantic. He's he's a big gift giver. He's very loving.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: And he's very funny. You know, I don't think a
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: lot of people see that kind of side of him.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: He's actually very, very funny guy. Cause he's, he comes
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: across normally very quiet when he's out and around people,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: but when you're, when you're close to him, he's a
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: very funny guy.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: So you guys ended up having two children together, correct?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. We have 19 and Alabama who's 17.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Amazing names. And so how, how was he as a dad?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: He's a great dad. Yeah, he's a he's a great dad.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: You know, we've had our ups and down co parenting
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: through the years as well. I think co parenting in
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: general is just a very difficult thing to do. Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: So and how did you guys finally break up? How
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: long were you together?
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Uh we were married for four years but we still
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: stayed together for like another four years kind of off
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: and on living together trying to co-parent you know together
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: but uh it was just a difficult time.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Right So talk to me about his plane crash for
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a second. Where were you when you heard about it?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Oh God, we were actually working on things and I
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: was in our home and Alabama was actually in the
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: bed with me and the other kids were sleeping and
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: he called me and he was about to get on
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the private jet and he was just really nervous. And
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: he was saying, you know, this jet isn't like the
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: other jet. You know, this was actually the last gig
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: he was doing after a very long tour. And I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: just said, you know, honey, just get on the jet,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: like get home. And then we can just enjoy our
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: time together, you know, and we can just focus on
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the family and just be together. And he was like, yeah,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know about this one though. It's really small.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I have a bad feeling. And I was like, you know,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: we didn't like flying in general. So we always kind
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: of had a bad feeling, you know, and I was,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and he was, um, you know, they had taken a
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: vote about DJ AM had a gig in LA and
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: some of his other, uh, friends wanted to get home
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: as well. So they took a vote, um, to, to
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: get on the jet, they kind of needed all of
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: them to pull in to get the jet. And I
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: just remember being in bed. And it was like 15
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: minutes later, but it felt like an hour, I don't
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: know how to explain it. And the phone rang. And
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I'm actually before the phone ring, my daughter sat up Alabama.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: And I remember her going, Mommy, where's little Chris? And
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: little Chris was his assistant who was on the plane.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And I remember her going, Mommy, where's little Chris? And
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, little Chris is with daddy, honey, like
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: go back to sleep. Like, it's okay. Go back to sleep.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: And then about 15 minutes later, the phone rang and
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: it was a deputy. And he was like, is Shana
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Mochler there? And I said, yes. And he goes, ma'am,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: there's been a terrible accident. There's been a plane crash.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: And I thought they were joking. And I was like,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: ha ha ha ha guys. Like, I don't, I thought
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: it was Travis and the guy's joking. And I was like,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: this isn't funny. I don't think that's funny. Like, you know,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: and the guy was like, no ma'am, I'm, I'm being serious.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: There's been a terrible, a terrible accident. And I just
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: was like, this isn't a joke. Like you don't joke
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: about stuff like that. And the man was like, ma'am,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: this is deputy so-and-so from the North Carolina police department there.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: And right when he said that, I heard Travis screaming
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: in the background, like, like blood curdling, screaming cries. And, um,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: like I'm on fire, I'm on fire. And, um, And
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: he goes, we need to airlift him. And, you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: we need you to, you know, we're going to airlift.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: We're taking him to, I believe it was Georgia. They
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: were taking him from North Carolina to Georgia. He didn't
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: end up getting airlifted. He didn't want to get in
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: another aircraft. They ended up driving him to Georgia. And
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I just hung up the phone and I called his father.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: And I don't even think I was hysterically crying. And
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I remember him telling me I could hear on the
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: phone him saying, little Chris didn't make it. Little Chris
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: didn't make it. And that night they brought little Chris's
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: wife over to the house and I had to tell
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: her that little Chris didn't make it. And then his
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: manager and I get on a plane like at five
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: in the morning, like the first plane out to Georgia
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: to go see him. It was a pretty horrific, horrific experience.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: And I think four people ended up dying in that
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: plane crash.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Yes. Little Chris, his assistant Che, his security Che and
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the two pilots, a man and a woman. It was
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: actually the older, older pilots last.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Wow. And they ended up saying what it was a
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: tire that, that popped. Did they ever.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: A tire popped.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And I think between the pilots, one was trying to
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: take off and one was trying to land. So there
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: was this sort of up down kind of like thing.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: And then they, They think you're done for the day,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: but they don't know about the drawer. The drawer. Just
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: the one square before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: You deserve a treat.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Went across like a highway and into an embankment. Wow. Wow.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: So obviously that affected Travis deeply. I mean, he didn't
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: want to get on a plane for many years after.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: How did you, how did you help him out of,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: you know, how did you get him home from the hospital?
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Gosh, well, we were in the hospital in Georgia for
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: about a month. And then we took a tour bus home.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: We had two guys drive night and day to get
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: him home with a nurse on the bus. And then
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: we got him to the Grossman burn center here in
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles, uh, where he was there for another two months.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And he had probably over like 17 surgeries, uh, through,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: through that, that time. Um, we ended up getting back
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: to together, but, um, uh, eventually ended up decided to
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: break up, uh, down the road from there. Right.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: And, and DJ also was, was injured, but not as badly. Right.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, DJ AM was, you know, probably in the hospital
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: for like a day or two. He just kind of
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: walked away with like some cuts and bruises. It was pretty,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: pretty crazy, you know. You know, the difference is when
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: the plane was on fire, Travis opened the plane door
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: with his hand, so burnt his hand. And then what
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: they thought was a wing was actually the jet engine.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: So AM sort of had his shoes on and jumped
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: on and jumped down. where Travis jumped on and slid
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: down and so burnt and got the jet fuel on him. Yeah. Wow.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: So did that make the relationship closer or did they
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: not want to talk about it at all? And they
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: went their separate ways. Do you know what happened there?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Um, I don't really know, you know, I mean, that's
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: something that I guess, you know, they would really have to, to,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: to speak on. I mean, I guess my personal opinion
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: or take as an outsider is I think AM, I
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: think carried a lot of guilt and, because he was
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the one that wanted to get home for this gig.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: And I think, obviously not having such severe injuries and
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: seeing Travis kind of go through the severity of his
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: injuries in the hospital was probably very, I think I would,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I don't see how any human being couldn't carry some
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: serious amounts of remorse or guilt. I think that was very,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: very difficult for him to see. But I don't think
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Travis blamed him. You know, I think Travis still love
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: clearly 1000% loved him and never wanted him to feel
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: that way. But I just think as a human being,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: we would naturally feel that way. But, you know, he
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: definitely wanted to still be there and support him for,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: you know, and have that friendship for sure. I mean,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: it's a thing.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: They were the only two survivors, you know, so I mean,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: that has to bring you close.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: And then were you around when DJ AM lost his life?
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Were you, did you, and what was that like for
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Travis and you?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Uh, we were actually, um, visiting my parents in Rhode Island. My,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: my children were visiting their grandparents and Travis was on
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: tour and, um, we, he got the call and we
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: just sat and cried, you know, we just sat and cried.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: It was just a devastating, uh, blow. And, um, you know,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: that was the one person that he had, you know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: who lived through that horrific experience, who could understand the
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: totality of it. And I think to lose that person
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and possibly think, you know, we lost them in a
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: way because he felt, you know, bad about it or
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: something was, you know, it was just devastating for everybody.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: And DJ AM was such a loved person. soul and
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: he's so loved and he's so respected. And, you know,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: there's just such a community of people who just love
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: him so much. So it was just a loss for,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: for a large, large group of people in, in LA.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It was horrible to hear about his drug overdose. So, um,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: eventually you and Travis finally cut it off and end
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the relationship. And then were you okay co-parenting after that
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: for a while?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: We did. I mean, we did. We tried our best.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: You know, that's one thing we did do. But, you know,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I don't have lots of fond memories anymore. You know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I used to try to glorify it and say, you know, but,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: you know, looking back, I feel like, you know, it
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: was a lot of in and out of court. It
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: was a lot of, you know, headbutting. And I really
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: just don't have too many great things to say about it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: So, and I know you don't want to dwell too
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: much on your ex, but if anyone's ex was in
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the news for dating somebody as famous as a Kardashian,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: it's in your face all the time. People are obviously
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: putting it in your face. Was that hard to hear
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: about them or you already knew this in the background
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that they were dating? Travis and Courtney.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: So bullied in the media. And since this relationship ensued,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, really treated unfairly and unjustly and so bullied
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: in the media that to me, it just has put
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: a really bad taste in my mouth.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: But why? Because you've been vocal about not being a
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: fan of theirs or just because you're the ex?
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Not being a fan. You know,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: just if I made any statement whatsoever, I was just
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: called bitter and jealous. I don't even know Travis Barker anymore.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: We haven't been together for you know, since almost 2010, 12.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: And I don't even know him. I don't, I don't
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: know what his favorite movie is. I don't know what
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: his favorite food or color is. We're not together. I
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: have been in my own relationships. So there there's, besides
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the fact that we, we just have, and we only
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: have our 17 year olds, we'll be 18 this year,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: you know, and then our work is done here and I,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: we never have to see each other or talk to
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: each other ever again. And I look forward to that day.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: So talk to me about being on Celebrity Big Brother.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: You're like a super fan, right? You always had been
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: watching that and knew the game really well.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, I have. One second. Sorry. Can you give me
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: one second? I apologize. Hold on. Sorry. Okay. Um, celebrity
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: big brother. Oh my God. It was just like the
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: coolest dream come true. I have watched the show for years.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: I've watched the celebrity one. I've watched the regular seasons.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: And every time I watch it, I was just always like, Oh,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: if I could just like get on this show, if
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I could just do this show, um, it would just
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: be so cool. And when I got the call, I
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: just couldn't believe it. I was like, really me. Okay. Um,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: And it was awesome. It was a really epic experience.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Do you think anything has to do with who's on
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the show and how well they know the show and
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the game, or it'll just play out no matter what?
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I think it could go both ways, but... You know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I think with the regular season, they're all super fans.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: They've all watched the show. They all know how the
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: game goes. They all are going in. I think with
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the celebrity edition, there were definitely celebrities who had never
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: seen the show, didn't do their research and didn't know
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: what they were doing. And I think that's where I
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: aligned with people that had never seen the show and
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: didn't understand what I was doing or why I was
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: doing the things I was doing. And it really bit
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: me in the butt later because of it.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: And did you make some lasting friendships? Do you talk
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: to anybody still?
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I talked to Chris Kirkpatrick. I just think he is
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: the coolest guy. He is so sweet. He's such a
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: great dad. He's amazing husband. And he's just a great
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: friend overall. He'll check you up in on me every
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: now and then. And I think he's awesome. I also
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: love Teddy Mellencamp. I think what she's doing for women
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: and is awesome. Her all in empowerment, you know, fitness, health,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: healthy fitness lifestyle is awesome. But the, the rest of the, the,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: the people I kind of just let fall to the wayside.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: So you, I have to ask, you don't speak to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Lamar Odom anymore?
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: And Lamar was just a nice guy. He was just
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: like a nice friend. Super cool. He's just a sweet guy.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: But it ended up causing you some problems, right? So
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: when you came out, weren't the, when you left the house,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: weren't there some issues in your personal life that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the things sometimes, the way they're edited
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: on TV may make it seem like there was nothing
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: ever ever romantic or flirtatious with us, but I could
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: see how it could be perceived that way. But, you know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: there was, there was nothing there. And if you watch
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: the 24 seven live feeds, you could tell that there
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: was just nothing. But more than anything, you know, I,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of the cast mates called and they, you know, apologized.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: And that meant a lot to me from some of them,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: because there were some things that were said on the
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: live feeds that I just was like, my mind was
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: just blown. You know, I was like, wow. Right. just mean. Right.
• 43:31
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• 43:34
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• 43:35
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• 43:41
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• 43:44
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• 43:55
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• 44:00
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• 44:03
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• 44:15
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• 44:18
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• 44:21
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• 44:26
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• 44:36
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• 44:39
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• 44:41
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• 44:46
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• 44:58
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• 45:01
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• 45:04
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• 45:15
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• 45:22
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• 45:28
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• 45:31
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• 45:34
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• 45:44
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• 46:01
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• 46:07
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• 46:10
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• 46:13
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• 46:42
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• 46:47
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• 46:50
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• 46:51
  Speaker 3: So You know, it's you know, nothing, nothing in life
• 46:55
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• 46:55
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• 46:57
  Speaker 1: So, so what are you doing now? What, where can
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: we see you? What, what should we look forward with you?
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right now I'm actually producing my pageants. I have
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: my Miss Nevada USA and June 24th and 25th. I
• 47:11
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• 47:48
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• 48:08
  Speaker 1: And my last question would be, do you have any
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: reality TV shows that you still want to be on
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: or you look forward to getting that call that you're
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: a fan of?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Gosh, I get, you know, I love reality TV. I
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: really do. I would love to go back to a
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Big Brother All-Stars maybe. I think that would be really,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: really fun. My fan base wants to see me on
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the Housewives franchise in some capacity so bad. I would
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: be open to doing that. I think I would be
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: a no brainer for that show. But that would be really,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I think, a fun show to do. But I'm open
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: to reality. My heart is really in scripted projects. I
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: would love to be like on a Grey's Anatomy or
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: an American Horror Story where you get to play different
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: characters each season. That's kind of like my dream, my
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: dream jobs.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: And are you dating anybody exciting in your life right now?
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I am currently dating someone, but I'm keeping it on
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: the low low because my- We.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: All know what happens.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: We all know what happens when we talk about it.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Well, we wish you the best of luck with that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining. me. And I hope
• 49:21
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