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A Gold Medalist’s Guide To Success · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land Always was, always
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  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land.
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  Speaker 2: Hey cheeks, I'm Sald and I'm Al and this is
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  Speaker 2: two Broke Chicks to show that shares life lessons and
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  Speaker 2: tips to help make you rich in life. Al's pulling
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  Speaker 2: faces at me and making me giggle and we're in
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  Speaker 2: for a very good time in today's episode because we
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  Speaker 2: were so lucky to be joined by the incredible and
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  Speaker 2: amazing Sayer Sakaki Bara, the twenty five year old Australian
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  Speaker 2: BMEX racer and gold medalist, and today we are chatting
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  Speaker 2: to say about winning gold at the twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 2: Paris Olympics, her tips to stay disciplined and overcoming hurdles
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  Speaker 2: to achieve your dreams. It is such an inspiring chat
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  Speaker 2: and we know you chicks are gonna love it, so
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  Speaker 2: let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to two Broad Chicks.
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  Speaker 4: Ayer, thanks so much for having me. We're so excited
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  Speaker 4: to be studio. But before we.
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  Speaker 2: Get into the juicy questions, we always ask our guests
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  Speaker 2: their life lesson of the week, So.
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  Speaker 3: Would you like to kick us off?
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  Speaker 4: Sure? Life lesson of the week. Don't wish your time
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  Speaker 4: away I like that, especially today actually, So I'm originally
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  Speaker 4: from the Goldie and I came to Sydney for you guys.
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  Speaker 4: And then also my manager like backed on a lot
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  Speaker 4: of other things, like, for example, I was on Sunrise
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  Speaker 4: this morning and then I have something after and I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, I didn't have the best sleep, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's tiring to meet new people and be on TV
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  Speaker 4: and like show up as your best self all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Then I was like, oh, I just want to go
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  Speaker 4: home and I just want to go into bed and
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  Speaker 4: just go back to training. I don't want to do
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  Speaker 4: all this media stuff. But I was like, don't wish
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  Speaker 4: your time away. I'm going to look back on this
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  Speaker 4: experience to be like, why didn't I enjoy this so
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  Speaker 4: much more? Because I would never kind of get this
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  Speaker 4: experience like forever, like sometimes it's going to end at
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  Speaker 4: some point. So that's something that happened today. But also
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  Speaker 4: for racing as well. So there's been times where I
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  Speaker 4: went to a race and you know, I was so
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  Speaker 4: tired of feeling so tired, like scared and like the
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  Speaker 4: anxiety of the pressure and everything like that, and I
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  Speaker 4: was like, I just want this race day to be over,
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  Speaker 4: Like I just I don't care about the results. I
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  Speaker 4: just want to get get it over and done with.
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  Speaker 4: But then what happened was at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: the race ended anyway and it didn't like come any
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  Speaker 4: faster or slower, like time is going to pass anyway,
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  Speaker 4: And at the end of the day I had a
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  Speaker 4: sense of regret that I didn't wasn't in the moment
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  Speaker 4: and I didn't give it my all and I had
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  Speaker 4: a bad performance. I didn't have a good result in
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  Speaker 4: the end. So I was like, hey, don't wish your
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  Speaker 4: time away. Be in the present moment and just give
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  Speaker 4: it all you've got because it doesn't it's not going
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  Speaker 4: to change how fast time is going to pass.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 5: It reminds me of this thing I read recently and
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  Speaker 5: it was follow your plan and not the mood. So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: so it's like whatever the plan is, just like because
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  Speaker 5: like I think that's honestly so relatable. Like even though
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  Speaker 5: like you know, maybe people couldn't relate to having to
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  Speaker 5: go and do a media day or something like there's
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  Speaker 5: like a day that they're going and they're like, I
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  Speaker 5: do just want to go to fucking bed. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 5: don't want to do this and that it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: just don't wish the time away and follow your plan
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  Speaker 5: not your mood, which is definitely something I need to
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  Speaker 5: do because you know how sometimes you just wake up
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  Speaker 5: and you're like, I don't like it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just wake up with that day. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like it. I don't have any reason.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm in a stinky mood, and I just have
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  Speaker 5: to be like, no, you're gonna be you to have fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, that's.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't have to You don't have to have fun.
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  Speaker 4: If you're not having fun, just don't wish it away.
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  Speaker 4: Like it's still an experience that you're going to add
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  Speaker 4: value to your life later on, you're going to look
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  Speaker 4: back to be like that was actually a really important
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  Speaker 4: time in my life and it was an important experience.
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  Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, never wish your time away, whether
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  Speaker 4: it's good or bad.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 5: Mine is a quote from the episode we did in
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  Speaker 5: the Basic Bitch book Club recently, and we did Atomic
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  Speaker 5: Habits in thirty Minutes, like the self help book that
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  Speaker 5: like basically every Basic Bitch has read, hence the book
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  Speaker 5: name and the episode. But there was a quote in it,
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  Speaker 5: and I've been a massive like Suki Laala like this
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  Speaker 5: last week, Like I've just been a bit of a sook,
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  Speaker 5: but like not a bad way, just like if there
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  Speaker 5: was a sad ad on the TV and it was
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  Speaker 5: like about a grandpa.
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  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, like Suki Laala the.
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  Speaker 5: Last week, but one of the quotes in it was
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  Speaker 5: focused on progress, not perfection, and I really like it
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  Speaker 5: because it like I am a perfectionist in the way
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  Speaker 5: that like it's not cool.
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  Speaker 1: And I was saying this like in the.
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  Speaker 5: Episode that like no one actually says it, like once
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  Speaker 5: you get older, you know how when you were younger
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  Speaker 5: and you'd go for a job and you'd be like,
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  Speaker 5: my downfall is that I'm a perfectionist, and you said
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  Speaker 5: it's like a good thing about you, And as you
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  Speaker 5: get older, you realize it's actually just exhausting and wanting
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  Speaker 5: to be perfect everything is just completely unattainable and unreasonable
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  Speaker 5: and exhausting. And I really like this thing where I
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  Speaker 5: like quotes that kind of anchor me back and I'm like, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 5: Like if I get wrapped up trying to make something
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  Speaker 5: perfect or something, I need something that pulls me back.
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  Speaker 5: And that's one of the quotes that like, I'm sticking
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  Speaker 5: in my arsen all now not sticking.
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  Speaker 3: Keeping that quote in my ass.
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  Speaker 4: Imagine like yeah, it was usual.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was doing the back pocket.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I hate it here, I hated anyway.
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  Speaker 1: That's mine.
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  Speaker 4: Fuck you.
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  Speaker 1: What's your life lesson?
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  Speaker 3: That's good. My life lesson is a reminder to.
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  Speaker 2: Do the things that future you will thank you for,
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  Speaker 2: because at the end of last year, I was just
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  Speaker 2: feeling really frazzled. For the last couple of months, we
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  Speaker 2: had a lot on it was all very exciting, but
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  Speaker 2: I'd let go of a few different routines and just
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  Speaker 2: felt like I was taking every day day by day,
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  Speaker 2: which part of that is good, but also I love
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  Speaker 2: my routine and that makes me feel really together. But
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  Speaker 2: just doing little things like prepping my outfit the night
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  Speaker 2: before and steaming it, doing all my meal prep on
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  Speaker 2: a Sunday night, like packing my bag before I go
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  Speaker 2: to bed, and doing those little things that I know
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  Speaker 2: that when I wake up in the morning, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: feel so much more prepared and I can then take
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  Speaker 2: my time doing my skin care and listening to music
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not sort of like rushing.
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  Speaker 3: Around being like, oh, where's this, where's that?
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, whatever that is for you, I think that
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  Speaker 2: looks different for everybody.
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  Speaker 3: But do the things that future you, well, thank.
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  Speaker 4: You for that.
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  Speaker 2: Usually you would put off because it's boring, but really
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  Speaker 2: they take.
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  Speaker 4: To do that absolutely to be like, Okay, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: get ready for tomorrow. Like, yeah, it doesn't seem hard,
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  Speaker 4: but at the time when you're doom scrolling, it's hard.
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  Speaker 5: And when you just like want to go to bed,
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  Speaker 5: let sleep and you still have to have a shower, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and you gotta change bed sheets.
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  Speaker 2: I was singing, I was laying in bed last night
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, no, I know what I can wear, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I'll just get it.
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  Speaker 3: Morning and then I was like.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, and like when I got it and like
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  Speaker 2: folded it and was like your close out.
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  Speaker 5: I think starting with that in terms of a prep
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  Speaker 5: your environment is probably the easiest way people can incorporate
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  Speaker 5: that is just put your clothes out the night before. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: let's get into the episode because we have so many
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  Speaker 5: questions for you. We are literally in awe of you
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  Speaker 5: because you started writing BMX when you were four years old.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even think I could write write.
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  Speaker 3: Like were we riding bikes and we were four years old.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely I had training wheels on them for actually I did,
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  Speaker 2: and I would put my guinea pig in the It's
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  Speaker 2: not about yours, so cute to each other's so cute. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: say is writing BMX and you're writing with a guinea
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  Speaker 2: pig in your basket.
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  Speaker 3: It's the same thing, honestly, it's the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: But what are your earliest memories of starting to write?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I was born on the Gold Coast, but I
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  Speaker 4: started BMX when we were living in Japan. So my
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  Speaker 4: parents moved back to Japan because their visas ran out
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  Speaker 4: for Australia because they're English and Japanese for context, and yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so my earliest memories of riding bikes is do you
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  Speaker 4: know the Japan have you? Have you guys been to Japan?
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  Speaker 4: I had all, you know, it's enriched in that bicycle culture.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone rides bikes everywhere, but it's just on the roads
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  Speaker 4: with the basket, maybe with a guinea pig in the Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I have memories of riding my like town bike
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  Speaker 4: around when I was like six years old, five years old,
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  Speaker 4: and I also have those memories of going to the
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  Speaker 4: BMX track on the weekends and riding on the dirt track.
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  Speaker 4: And also my dad would I'm pretty sure we had
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  Speaker 4: one of those plastic ramps, you know those ones that
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  Speaker 4: kids right right now, I remember doing like jumps off
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  Speaker 4: that in front of our house. And yeah, that's all
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  Speaker 4: I my whole life has There's has always been BMX
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  Speaker 4: in my whole entire life, like there's I don't know
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  Speaker 4: a life without it. And yeah, so that's what we
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  Speaker 4: did on the weekend. And and I was just a
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  Speaker 4: Japanese kid living in Japan, riding bikes with my brother,
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  Speaker 4: traveling all around Japan and for national series. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: when I was seven years old, we moved back to
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  Speaker 4: Australia and that's where our kind of BMX really took
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  Speaker 4: off from there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: And because of course your brother Kai had a huge
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  Speaker 2: obsession with BMX from a very young age as well.
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  Speaker 2: And I've heard in interviews you said, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: as a little sister, like, well, I just want to
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  Speaker 2: do what he does, which as two younger siblings week
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  Speaker 2: and absolutely yeah late, So how.
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  Speaker 3: Did watching him with BMX inspire you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like, like you said, it was just full whatever
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  Speaker 4: he did, I did you know I didn't. I feel
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  Speaker 4: like I did.
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  Speaker 3: He find that annoying or was he encouraging?
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  Speaker 4: I think at the start, yeah, he found it annoying.
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  Speaker 4: So like every time he put a sticker on his helmet,
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  Speaker 4: I'll be like, I'll put on and he'd be like,
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  Speaker 4: don't copy me. It's so cute. But yeah, so it
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  Speaker 4: was just that's all I ever knew to follow my
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  Speaker 4: brother and do BMX, and I didn't really I don't
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  Speaker 4: remember like thinking for myself because it was always about BMX,
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  Speaker 4: always about going to the track. And then when we're
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  Speaker 4: moved back to Australia, it was like my brother started
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  Speaker 4: training as well, and when he was like twelve, so
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  Speaker 4: I was I was pretty young as well, and I
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  Speaker 4: guess I was like, I guess I'm training, Like I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't like that into it, but because kay I did it,
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  Speaker 4: I did it kind of thing. So he was an
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  Speaker 4: inspiration for every moment of my whole BMX life to
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  Speaker 4: starting to train, taking up seriously like having a dream
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  Speaker 4: together to go to Olympic Games. And originally I didn't
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  Speaker 4: really want to do it professionally as like a job,
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  Speaker 4: but he did so at some point that changed to
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  Speaker 4: something that I wanted to do, and it was just
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  Speaker 4: something that we just did all together as brother and sister,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, it's just.
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  Speaker 1: That's so sweet.
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  Speaker 5: But you've overc a lot of challenges to get where
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  Speaker 5: you are today, including a series of injuries and concussions,
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  Speaker 5: one which led to you nearly quitting the sport, right
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  Speaker 5: and how did you overcome that?
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  Speaker 4: I guess there was a few things that I kind
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  Speaker 4: of did intentionally. I guess though. The first thing was
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  Speaker 4: I found like a motive of like why why So
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  Speaker 4: to give it a bit of a context. So this
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  Speaker 4: was in twenty twenty two where I had a concussion
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  Speaker 4: and I was really at the time, I was really
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  Speaker 4: not enjoying BMX, and I was really fearful of racing.
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  Speaker 4: Kai had in his christ only two years earlier, and
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  Speaker 4: I've seen how much it has affected him and our family,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, why am I doing this alone? He's
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  Speaker 4: not even Kai's not even doing BMX anymore, So like
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  Speaker 4: why am I doing it? And it was this whole
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  Speaker 4: I came up with a million reasons why I should quit,
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  Speaker 4: But ultimately I think I was very scared and I
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  Speaker 4: didn't see the need to risk my health for this
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  Speaker 4: sport anyway. So I was like, I'm going to quit,
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  Speaker 4: but then I was like, no, I'm not going to quit. Evidently, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think it was so to find the motive. My
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  Speaker 4: motive was I don't want to feel the feeling of
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  Speaker 4: regret of not trying again because I felt like I
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  Speaker 4: didn't give everything I could to BMX and stopping now
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  Speaker 4: it just felt icky. And some people have a motive
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  Speaker 4: to run towards so I want to make money, I
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  Speaker 4: want to be famous, blah blah blah. Some people have
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  Speaker 4: a motive to run away from something that they want
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  Speaker 4: don't want. So for me, it wasn't I want to
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  Speaker 4: win the gold medal. It was I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: feel regret. So that was my motive.
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  Speaker 1: That's a really strong motive.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's okay. It's okay to have something that
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  Speaker 4: you're running away from, but at some point in your
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  Speaker 4: journey it has to switch to something that you do want.
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  Speaker 4: Because I did feel that as well. I was running
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  Speaker 4: away from not wanting to feel that regret and everything
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  Speaker 4: like that. But then at some point that shifted. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't strong enough, Like I wasn't so fearful of
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  Speaker 4: that anymore after a few months and after almost a year,
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  Speaker 4: so then I had to switch to something that I'm
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  Speaker 4: running towards or something I want Anyway, what did it
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  Speaker 4: switch to when gold medal? To feel proud of myself
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  Speaker 4: probably was the biggest pool in the end, and I
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  Speaker 4: really had to dig deep to find that. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 4: going off on a bit of a tangent here, but
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  Speaker 4: like for the Games, I had to not Literally three
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  Speaker 4: weeks before the Games, I didn't know why I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to win, Like why did I want to win this
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  Speaker 4: gold medal? Like what is it like? It's not to
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  Speaker 4: have this gold Chinese in myself draw, It's like what
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  Speaker 4: is it to me? So I had to really dig
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  Speaker 4: deep to think what is it that I want it for?
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  Speaker 4: And in the end, it was like I want it
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  Speaker 4: to feel proud of myself that I gave it everything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: So that in the end that was the thing that
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  Speaker 4: I was running away running towards. So now I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: running away from feeling of regret that I didn't do it.
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  Speaker 4: It was like I want to feel like I did
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  Speaker 4: do it. So I think there's a difference, and in the.
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  Speaker 1: End it's the growth thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then in the end, so the
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  Speaker 4: positive thing is a bigger pull than the push away
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  Speaker 4: from Okay.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like that's a really good tip, like for
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  Speaker 5: the chicks that they can apply to themselves that if
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  Speaker 5: they're fearful of something, it's okay for it to be
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  Speaker 5: like a negative motivation, I don't want this, yeah, but
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  Speaker 5: finding something but I do want this is a stronger motivation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I think if you listen to a lot
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  Speaker 4: of business owners, like you know, Stephen Bartlett, I've listened
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  Speaker 4: to Hip the Diary, listened to his Our Story as well.
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  Speaker 4: I think his original motive was that he didn't want
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  Speaker 4: to be poor, So that was his original driver, and
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  Speaker 4: I think a lot of business owners are like that.
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  Speaker 4: But then at some point it does have to shift
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  Speaker 4: into like I want to be this or I want
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  Speaker 4: to make more money or whatever. It is. So back
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  Speaker 4: to how I overcame, so I find the motive. The
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  Speaker 4: second one was to give myself. I gave myself a
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  Speaker 4: timeframe so I was like, I'm going to give this
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  Speaker 4: another shot for another year. I'm willing to endure feeling
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  Speaker 4: scared and uncertain, and I'm just I'm willing to just
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  Speaker 4: give it all for a year. So now I gave
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  Speaker 4: myself an out for a year, so it's I knew
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't going to be forever, and I'm like, it's okay,
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  Speaker 4: I can do it for a year. So that was
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  Speaker 4: really good. And then the third one was just taking
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  Speaker 4: responsibility for my own actions and doing it the way
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  Speaker 4: that I feel is right. So all this time up
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  Speaker 4: until this point, I did it the way that Ki
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  Speaker 4: and I did it. I did Kay, I did BMX
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  Speaker 4: because of Kai and what We were a really good
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  Speaker 4: team and we worked really well together. But I never
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  Speaker 4: really made decisions for myself in the way that I
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  Speaker 4: want to see myself progress in the sport and how
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  Speaker 4: I want to see myself as an athlete and as
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  Speaker 4: a person. So I think in that moment I was
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  Speaker 4: able to really take responsibility of that and to then
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  Speaker 4: start doing actions that I felt the most aligned with myself.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: I was so empowering and those three things. So then
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: when I was going through all the races and I
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: didn't want to be there or I was so scared
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: and uncertain, at least I knew those three things. At
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: least I knew why I was doing it. I knew
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: how long I was going to do it for and
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: I at least I believed in what I was doing,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: So that.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: Perhaps sounds black, Yeah, as tricky as I'm sure the
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: physical training is, if not more like, how do you.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Overcome the fear?
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: Like do you still kind of have those flare ups
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: of nerves or fear, and how do you kind of
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: overcome maybe that voice in your head that's like.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: This is scary. How do I overcome the fear? I
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: think it's it's it comes with practice and doing it,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: which is the most annoying thing.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Damn it.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: You can't listen to podcasts. You can't, well you can.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: You can listen to podcasts, podcast read books, listen to
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: people get a coach like fine, but ultimately you have
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: to be the one that does it, which is the
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: annoying thing, And you have to be the one that
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: puts yourself in that uncomfortable situation, do it anyway, and
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: then get yourself to the other side. So I think
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: to get over the fears, it's just about the evidence
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: that you've built for yourself. So for example, if I'm
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: at the top of the star Hill doing a final
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: at the World Championships, I'm nervous. I'm scared. Maybe there's wind.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: I'm scared that the wind's going to like take me out.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: There's other people, like you know, there's a lot of
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: unknown simbermex As you can imagine.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so fast paced, Yeah.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so scary. But in that moment, I can be like, no, well,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: last time I felt this way, I still believed in
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: myself and I'll still was able to be fine. I
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: didn't die, it was fine, And then it was just
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: it's just those little pieces of evidence that you've done
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: that will help with overcoming the one that's it's.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Been like you did it last time, and yeah, you're okay,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: so you can.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Do something similar. So for example, like you jump that
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: I want to jump and it's like ten eleven meters,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: it's scary, need lots of speed. So I can draw
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: upon smaller jumps that I've done in the past and
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: other scary things that I thought that I didn't want
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: to do but I could, and at the end of
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: the day that you kind of know in your heart
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: that you have the ability to do so, like usually
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: you kind of have a sense of like, oh, yeah,
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: I could probably do this, but I'm just scared. You know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: So it's just kind of believing in yourself, believing in
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: what you've done in the past, being calm, and in
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: the end, just going for it, taking the leap of faith,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Like you're you're not going to know everything. You don't
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: know the future, you don't know how it's going to be,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: but most likely you're probably going to succeed even yeah,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: And also like living in fear is just paralyzing. Yeah too,
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: But I mean, you wouldn't have made a lot of
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: the achievements that you have made, including winning a gold
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: fucking medal, which is so cool. I mean, you'd be
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: an Olympian even if you didn't win gold, but you're
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: an Olympian that won gold, which like is the biggest
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: flex in the world.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, can you take us back?
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: What was that moment?
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Like a well wind?
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: So many emotions, so many emotions. I don't think I've
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: been able to articulate what it felt like and what
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: it really meant in past interviews or even now. I
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: don't think I can articulate enough because of how much,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: you know, almost quitting the sport, the all the fear
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: that I had to overcome, Like there was so much,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: so many races where I stood at the top of
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: the start heel like fearing, and I'm like, I don't
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: want to do this, but I know that I can,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: you know, but I don't want to. And then I
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: was I put my brave hat on and I just
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: went for it anyway, And those moments built up made
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: me so proud of myself of the journey. And then
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: not long before the Paris Games day, So ten weeks
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: before there was the World Championships and I probably could
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: have won that one, but I had some mental something
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: wasn't there, and I wasn't able to give it my
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: best and I got last, and I was like, oh
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: my god, I've won so many races, but I haven't
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: been able to win the World Championships, And like, am
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I going to be that person that's one multiple world
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: series like World Cup rounds, but never World champs or
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: an Olympic final. So that was playing in the back
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: of my mind. And you know, I came into Paris
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: rank number one, so I knew that it was I
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: was expected to win, and I expected myself to win
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: as well. So to be able to pull it off
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: in that moment where it counted the most was like
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: so much relief as well, was like I can't I
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: just could not believe I want a gold medal?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Like did you feel like you had left your body?
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: Like everything was happening around you and you're just like what, yeah,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: going on?
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: It was crazy because like I've visualized so much of
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: that moment. Yeah, and I'm sure you've had people on
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: here or talked about visualizations before of how powerful it is.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: It costs nothing, just a little bit of your time
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: to really believe or just visualize what you want to achieve.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: How do you want to feel in that moment? Really
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: visualize what you're hearing? Like I visualized standing at the
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: top of the podium, feeling the feeling the gold medal
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: around my neck, listening to the national anthem and crying.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I visualized all that and it literally happened. And I
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: was just like this moment of is this don't be
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: a dream?
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Having your family there as well just would have been
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: the cherry on top of the cake.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: It really was. It really was, And you know you
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: had have you heard of people talk about best things
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: that never happened to them? Some people who talk about
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: how like they wanted to achieve something and they didn't
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: get it, but then it led them down a different path,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: which is even better than what they could have achieved.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: So for Tokyo Games, that was the best thing that
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: never happened to me. Back in twenty twenty one, where
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: you know, there was a lot of media around my
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: debut at the Olympic Games. KaiA only had that crash
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: only a year before. There was a lot of pressure
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: I wanted to like finish the story, like how co
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: would it be.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: So much pressure to put on yourself and like obviously
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of external pressure as well.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I was just so devastated, But but I'm so glad
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: it happened that way because winning Paris is just beyond
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: what I could have imagined. So having my parents and
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: my family their track side, like they weren't able to
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: be there in Tokyo, So if I won there, there
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: wouldn't have been this special moment where we were like
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: hugging as a circle after the podium and I'm crying
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: and h and I just want to relive that moment.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, put it in a bottle and just keep it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so beautiful and your post race interview is,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I just feel like every Australian was
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: like crying, like laughing along with you, like.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: It was just amazing, Like what a special moment.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: I'm still it's still like a pinch yourself moment. Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Of how everything just came together at the right time.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: It was almost like fate. I don't know, there had.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: To be something, Yes, one hundred.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Percent, there has to be something that everything like everything, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: I'm still like did that even happen? There was just
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: like little things that like you know, for example, my
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: race number is seventy seven and I have that because
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: it was Kai's number. So a race with that number,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: and the next day there was a newspaper article with
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: so there was three gold medals won by an Australian
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: on that day. And then i was the seventy seventh
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: minute and I'm like.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, what my god, what is it like because obviously BAMX,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: the race is like thirty to forty.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Seconds correct me if I'm wrong.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: What is going through your brain during thirty to forty seconds?
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: No thinking? Really, it's all instinctual. So the hours we
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: spend on the bike and training is so when you're
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: at the top of the start, heell like you don't
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: think about anything but just going.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, how do you shut it down? Like what's like
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: the mantra? Because obviously you get to a point you're
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: going up there, you're thinking or thinking, how do you
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: quiet your brain into getting into the zone.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: It was practice, Yeah, I practiced getting into the zone.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I practiced what am I going to be saying to
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: myself as I was walking up to the start heill,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: and what am I going to be saying to myself
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: when So at the start of the race, there's a
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: camera that comes to if they introduce each rider, they
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: come to you, your wave, whatever, and then there was
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: a big, like twenty second gap between they when they
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: called out my name and then when they started the call.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: So twenty seconds doesn't sound like much, but if you're right,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: if you're at the top of the start hell and
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: you know you're about to do an Olympic final, you
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: have a million thoughts going through you ahead. So I
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: had to really focus on like what am I gonna
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: be thinking during that time, and most most of it
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: was just like just effing go just eff I'm just
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: gonnaff I'm just gonna go stuff these girls. I'm just
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: gonna go it was just literally just bringing myself to like,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I don't care what happens. I'm just gonna go. I'm
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: not gonna walk away here like having pulled the brakes
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: or not having hesitated for some reason. I'm like, I'm
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: just gonna go. If I crash, I don't care. I'm
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: just gonna he's gonna go. So that was my internal monologue.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: But then once the race starts, it's all instinctual. I've
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: done that lap so many times in my head and
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: as writing as well physically, so my body knew what
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: to do. When you start thinking is when you're in trouble.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: When so I started thinking going into like the last corner,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: like the last straight, I was like, oh, gold medal,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Oh don't stuff up, Just don't stuff up, because I
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: knew that I had a little bit of I could
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: sense that I had a bit of room between myself
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: and the girl and second, so I was like, just
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: don't stuff up. But that was probably the like the
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: slowest last strait that I'd done that whole campaign, because
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I was thinking, Yeah, it's just about getting out of
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: your own head, getting out of your own way, and
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: just letting what you trained your body to do I
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: love that you can. Also, this is where the visualization
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: kind of comes in. You can almost visualize like the
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: work room that you're going to present in and be like, Okay,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I know that there's an air con in here. Every
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: time I look at the air con, I'm going to
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: be like, yeah, I can do this. I love the
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: games too.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I knew that there was like a telegraph pole just
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I was as I was walking up, and like, every
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: time I see that telegraph pole, I'm gonna smile and
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: be like, how cool it is that I'm here. How
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: cool is it that I get to be at the
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Olympic Games and I get to race?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: That is an amazing tip.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: But you have to be intentional. Yeah, but you have
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: to do it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Prepare these things.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It doesn't going to do that in my day to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: day life. Yeah.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: So a popular question that we got from the Chicks
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: was around consistency. Do you have any tips for staying
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: consistent and being disciplined?
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Don't rely on motivation, I would say would be the
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: biggest one. Motivation I think is a scam because it's
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: just a feeling, just like happiness, sadness, anger, and it's
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: just going to pass. At some point you have this
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: spark of motivation, you feel motivated, and then it's going
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: to go. So if you keep relying on motivation, sometimes
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: it will be here and sometimes it won't, so it
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: will never be consistent. So number one is, don't rely
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: on motivation. But so and then the first thing is
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: to decide what you want when you want to go,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: what do you want to achieve, and then you decide
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: on how you're going to get there every day, So
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: for me, I want to win the Olympic Games. Second
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: is I'm going to train, do this, this, this, make
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: a plan of how to get there. And then the
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: third one is every day you wake up and you
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: decide that you're going to do it, no matter how
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: how motivated or not you feel, you just do it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: I love that motivation is how often do you train?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: What's it look like?
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: So train usually five days a week, so I get
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: two days of rest and one to two times a
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: day and it arranges around one to two hours per session.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: The track sessions could be two to three hours actually
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: depending But yeah, I think what a lot of people
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: don't understand is the rest compose as well. And that's
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: something I'm also starting to understand how important it is
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: to rest so I can be the best that I
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: can be in training, so I get the most out
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: of my time. And I think that's probably a good
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: message to everyone really, like you do need to rest.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: You can't be doing all this stuff all the time
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: because the quality of work that you're outputting is is
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: decreasing each time you show up tired, each time you
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: show up burnt out. Rest, I think is just as
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: important as the work that you put out.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you said that, it's something that you're adjusting to.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: Do you ever feel like you feel bad for resting.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Sometimes?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: How do you overcome that because it's obviously not rest
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: if you feel bad about.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: It, Yeah, exactly. I think it's the shift in mindset.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: So when I feel bad about resting, I think about
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: why I'm resting.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: That's a great reason.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: And for example, if I had an opportunity to go
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: to the markets with my friend, which is quite tiring,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: and I could do it, I could do it on
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: my rest day. I don't have training, but I'm doing
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: something tiring rather than resting, which makes me a bit
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: like it makes me but it's like quality time with friends.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: So it makes me feel bad, but I'm like, well,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: what's my priority. I'm trying to win gold medal, so
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: I'm putting my energy into that and I'm resting for that.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: You have you can't have it with everything.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Damn your rest can have purpose.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh that's amazing.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: And our final question, so with our guests, we always
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: wrap up with the same question, and it's what has
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: been your biggest life lessons so far.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: There's a few ways of saying it, I guess, but
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: it's like you can't you need to do you need
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: to do hard things to achieve great things, or you
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: can't be comfortable and grow at the same time. It's like,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: damn it. Yeah that's true. Yeah, but yeah, like the
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: harder the thing, the bigger the reward. You know, Like,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: what do I mean by hard things? It means like
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: physically pushing your body, It means sacrificing on friend time
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: or family time. It means you know, feeling scared. It
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: means you know, feeling desperate or feeling uncertain. I don't
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: want to do this, blah blah blah. But you need
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: to go through those things to achieve amazing things.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're so amazing. I'm honestly in awe of you.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Like your story and everything you've achieved and the wisdom
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: you have to share is just so inspiring. And obviously
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: I'm sure you've heard this so many times, but you
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: should just be so incredibly proud of yourself because I
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: know there are people that have never even met you
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: that feel that way. And Yeah, you're just incredible, and
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: thank you so much for joining us today.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Thank you, and we actually got I loved it.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, chat in person, And obviously you have a lot
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: to look forward to.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: So where can we see you next? What's coming up?
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm actually writing a book.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, A little.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Bit of an announcement, I guess writing a book coming
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: out in November, just about basically what we've talked about,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: a bit more in depth of like how like what
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: it really took to win that gold medal, why it
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: meant so much to me while I was bawling my
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: eyes out uncontrollably, and also a little bit of context
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: of like why like how I grew up and you know,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: a bit of the store with me and Kai, And
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: I think I really hope that this book would be
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: just like something that people can take little nuggets of
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: wisdom and lessons out of my story of what I
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: learned a long way. It's definitely not a five step
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: plan of becoming the best in the world or being
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: an Olympic champion, unfortunately, and then kind of also understanding
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: that there is no secret. You just have to put
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: one step in front of the other and just do
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: what feels right for you and don't give up. I
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: can't wait to read it. Thanks so much for having me.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: That is a rap. Thank you so much for having
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: us in your ear holes.
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  Speaker 4: Chicks. We live to be here.
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  Speaker 5: And if you know someone that you think would also
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  Speaker 5: enjoy this episode, feel free to chuck them a link,
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  Speaker 5: chuck it in the group chat, and thank you tom
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  Speaker 5: Ike Made for making this episode happen.
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  Speaker 3: Love it, Love you, love Sale, Love.
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  Speaker 1: The Chicks, Go back.
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  Speaker 2: Bye Chicks, Bat and a Fast