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Killer Thriller: How Far Would You Go To Stay Alive? · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Amy roboc and TJ. Holmes present Killer Thriller with your
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  Speaker 1: host Alisa Donovan.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Elisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller Today.
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  Speaker 2: I am joined by actress Tohira Sharif to talk about
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  Speaker 2: her gripping new Lifetime movie Girl in the Coffin. To
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  Speaker 2: hear it plays Jasmine, a young woman grieving the recent
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  Speaker 2: death of her mother, who finds comfort in Bill, the
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  Speaker 2: seemingly compassionate funeral director who handled her mother's service. But
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  Speaker 2: his kindness masks a terrifying obsession, and when Jasmine wakes
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  Speaker 2: up trapped inside a coffin beneath his funeral home, she
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  Speaker 2: realizes the man she trusted has become her captor.
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  Speaker 1: So this movie really.
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  Speaker 2: Makes me think about cases like Colleen stan who was
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  Speaker 2: kidnapped in nineteen seventy seven when she was just twenty
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  Speaker 2: years old and held captive for seven years, spending long
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  Speaker 2: periods confined in a coffin like box. And Colleen's case
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  Speaker 2: became an extraordinary example of the power of fear and
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  Speaker 2: psychological control. And Girl in the Coffin taps into some
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  Speaker 2: of the most chilling dynamics that we've seen play out
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  Speaker 2: in real life crimes, predators who target people at their
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  Speaker 2: most vulnerable, the terrifying power of isolation and psychological control,
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  Speaker 2: and victims who have to learn to understand and sometimes
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  Speaker 2: outsmart the person holding them captive. So let's get into it. Tahira,
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  Speaker 2: welcome to Killer Thriller. Thank you so much for being
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  Speaker 2: here with me.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, thank you for having me my pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: So congratulations on this movie, which is just wow.
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  Speaker 1: It's really.
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  Speaker 2: It's so disturbing and your work is so so good
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  Speaker 2: in it. So for anyone who hasn't seen Girl in
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  Speaker 2: the Carpin, tell us who Jazzmine is and how she
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  Speaker 2: finds herself in this nightmare.
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  Speaker 4: So the story centers around this character of Jasmine Sutter.
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  Speaker 4: She's like just lost her mom who she was really
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  Speaker 4: close to, and so she's kind of we meet her
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  Speaker 4: really in the midst of of loss and grief, and
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  Speaker 4: whilst you planning her mother's funeral, she encounters this funeral
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  Speaker 4: director who you know, at first glance is really warm
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  Speaker 4: and seems really empathetic and quite relatable. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: obviously it turns out to be probably a bit of
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  Speaker 4: the psychopath.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, yes, so do you think that he recognizes immediately
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  Speaker 2: that she's in this especially vulnerable place.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, definitely, look he as much as he's
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  Speaker 4: you know, weird, he's obviously very intelligent because he has
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  Speaker 4: to be quite quick on his feet and probably sell
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  Speaker 4: her a version of himself that she's going to trust.
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  Speaker 4: So I think anyone who's ever dealt with death or
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  Speaker 4: some form of major loss or grief, I think will know.
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  Speaker 3: That you are in the most vulnerable.
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  Speaker 4: State that you can be in at that time, and
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  Speaker 4: it's so easy for people to take advantage.
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  Speaker 1: Right exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's such a and in particular because that's such an
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  Speaker 2: intimate form of.
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  Speaker 1: An intimate relationship.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I remember this from my when my dad
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  Speaker 2: passed away, and that the funeral director holds this very
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  Speaker 2: unique space where you're immediately intimate with this person, but
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  Speaker 2: you don't even know them, and it's a really strange dynamic,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of openness that you have without really asking
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  Speaker 2: for it or or wanting it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's I think that's what's so interesting about
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  Speaker 4: the film is that, you know, I'm sure there'll be
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  Speaker 4: a demographic of.
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  Speaker 3: People that are like, why did she fall for this?
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  Speaker 3: Or you know, did she follow him?
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  Speaker 4: Or you know, how did she get herself into this position?
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  Speaker 4: But I think again, if you are someone who's ever
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  Speaker 4: been in like that really really like emotionally vulnerable state
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  Speaker 4: in your life, I think you'll get it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And because then he doesn't come, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: presents himself as kind and compassionate and hopeful, and that's
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  Speaker 2: exactly what you want when you're in such a a
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  Speaker 2: desperate place, you know, such a sort of unmored place.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And it's that whole thing as well, about
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  Speaker 4: being able to even know in any situation, you know,
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  Speaker 4: where you're in a kind of like heightened emotional state,
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  Speaker 4: it's probably sometimes a lot easier actually opening up and
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  Speaker 4: talking to a complete stranger than it is the people
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  Speaker 4: closer to you sometimes. And I think that's also what
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  Speaker 4: he you know, picks up on.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that is an excellent point that it
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  Speaker 2: is like sometimes we can't it's almost too much, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like she can't. She has a hard time, it seems,
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  Speaker 2: even you know, really connecting with her partner at the
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  Speaker 2: time of being able to really articulate what you're feeling.
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  Speaker 1: And there that is such an interesting thing.
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  Speaker 2: There is like a it feels almost easier sometimes definitely. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And so Bill hit The character of Bill is obviously
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  Speaker 2: he's very isolated, and he's a loner, and he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have traditional normal relationships. And do you think that do
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  Speaker 2: you think that he believes in his mind that he
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  Speaker 2: really loves this woman and he doesn't see himself as
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  Speaker 2: the villain?
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  Speaker 4: I think, I think genuinely, I think you'd have to, right,
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  Speaker 4: so you've been able to kind of carry out what
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  Speaker 4: he does. I think in your mind you have to
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  Speaker 4: genuinely believe that you're not doing anything wrong. You know
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  Speaker 4: that actually we're meant to be together, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: look how easy it was for you to open up
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  Speaker 4: to me and talk to me, and like, look how
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  Speaker 4: many things that we have in common, and we can
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  Speaker 4: we can relate to one another. So I genuinely think
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  Speaker 4: he's probably told himself like, you know, yeah, I'm actually
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  Speaker 4: probably providing her a safe space and kind of you know,
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  Speaker 4: being her emotional anchor at this time, you know, right,
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  Speaker 4: preposterous as that might seem, I genuinely do believe in
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  Speaker 4: his mind he thinks that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, And it's so a caffin.
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  Speaker 2: It has such an enormous psychological meaning beyond just being
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  Speaker 2: a confined space. You know, it's not like you put
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  Speaker 2: her in a closet. But so, what was it like
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  Speaker 2: actually filming those scenes? I mean, could you move it all?
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  Speaker 2: Did you feel claustrophobic?
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  Speaker 1: Like? What was that like?
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  Speaker 3: I think initially I thought, oh gosh, how long am
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  Speaker 3: I going to be in this coffin for? You know,
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  Speaker 3: how small is it?
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  Speaker 4: Because you know, being on set obviously, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: sometimes people just forget.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, You're like, hey, I'm still here here over here?
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  Speaker 3: Are going to roll?
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  Speaker 1: Or what's going on?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Either and even when they're like, okay, we've got to
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  Speaker 4: get you in the coffin, got to get you tied
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  Speaker 4: off and close the lids, sometimes it might be I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, thirty seconds until they start rolling the camera,
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  Speaker 4: or you know, they've got to fix lighting.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what, actually.
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  Speaker 4: I was so I was feeling a little bit anxious
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  Speaker 4: about that side of things rather than actually just being
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  Speaker 4: in a coffin.
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  Speaker 3: But the crew was so lovely.
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  Speaker 4: And really took care of me, and I genuinely probably
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  Speaker 4: spent you know with the coffin clot with the lid closed.
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  Speaker 3: I probably spent.
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  Speaker 4: I want to say, like fifteen twenty seconds, like Max, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: There was still long. That's still feel I'm sure it
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  Speaker 1: felt like an eternity.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 4: I think for me, I'm I'm I don't. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: bad with small spaces. So actually it was quite cozy.
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  Speaker 1: Like she fell asleep, Wait what happened?
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  Speaker 3: It's really relaxing.
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  Speaker 2: So you never did you have any moment where you went,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, I have to get out of here,
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  Speaker 2: like get me out of this.
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  Speaker 4: No, I didn't, actually, because even there were certain sequences
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  Speaker 4: that we filmed and they made the coffin obviously, it
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  Speaker 4: was a kind of special coffin where the panels and
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  Speaker 4: the sides could come out and they could film me
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  Speaker 4: from the side. So actually, even when I'm screaming in
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  Speaker 4: there or I'm like trying to get out, there's a
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  Speaker 4: there's a whole side panel that is into exactly, so
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  Speaker 4: you don't actually feel so claustrophobic.
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  Speaker 1: That makes me feel bad.
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  Speaker 2: I remember I had to lay in a coughin once
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  Speaker 2: for this scene, and it was like a comedy and
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  Speaker 2: it was literally like I just had to lay there.
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  Speaker 1: And everything's open, and I felt like, oh, I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like this. We gotta go this
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  Speaker 1: is we gotta do this quicker.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think so once Jasmine realizes what has happened
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  Speaker 2: to her, does she do you think that she initially
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  Speaker 2: thinks someone's going to find her?
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  Speaker 1: Or does she understand.
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  Speaker 2: Quickly, Oh, I have to get myself out of this,
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  Speaker 2: like I have to save myself.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I think she genuinely believes that this is,
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  Speaker 4: this isn't so insane that surely like people are going
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  Speaker 4: to come looking for her and they're not going to stop.
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  Speaker 4: And I think, you know, there's a certain point in
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  Speaker 4: the story where it does dawn on her that's not happening,
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  Speaker 4: and actually she's going to have to depend on herself
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  Speaker 4: and come up with a plan to get herself out
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  Speaker 4: of this situation.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's I think in all of these sorts
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  Speaker 2: of stories and the real life versions of them, they're
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  Speaker 2: to like why I'm so moved by these women that
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  Speaker 2: go through horrific things and are able to get themselves
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  Speaker 2: out of it. Like the the the internal fortitude, the
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  Speaker 2: strength that women have in this regard is like it's
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  Speaker 2: just incredible, and you know, this is it's these things
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  Speaker 2: really happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I you know, I am listen.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's one podcast I was listening to about different
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  Speaker 4: kind of kind of criminal kind of just like activities
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  Speaker 4: all around the world, and yeah, there's always there's one
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  Speaker 4: story that always stuck out to me. It's just horrific
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  Speaker 4: and it's a very similar you know, adoption and you know,
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  Speaker 4: all sorts of assault and then trying just doing kind
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  Speaker 4: of anything necessary to get yourself out of that situation
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  Speaker 4: and live. I just it's quite incredible because you I
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  Speaker 4: think we all think that we you know, we know
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  Speaker 4: what we would do right in a same situation, and
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  Speaker 4: actually that just may not happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, So right, so there is this often
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  Speaker 2: in these captivity stories, there's there's this assumption like why
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  Speaker 2: why didn't she fight?
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  Speaker 1: Why didn't she run? And does Jasmine's experience show.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yes, but you can tell me how much
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  Speaker 2: more complicated survival actually is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I just think I think unless you're you've been in
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  Speaker 4: this situation, you know like this, or you know it's
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  Speaker 4: something kind of similar, I just think you can't ever
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  Speaker 4: assume what someone would do or should do, especially as
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  Speaker 4: a woman, because there are just different you know, survival
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  Speaker 4: tactics that we need to utilize sometimes in order to
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  Speaker 4: like genuinely just like stay alive.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry to know, I'm not going to get too deep.
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  Speaker 4: But there's there's been a lot of conversation about just
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  Speaker 4: like you know, getting approached on the street or something
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  Speaker 4: by a man who's interested in you, or you know,
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  Speaker 4: trying to talk to and something, you know, and as
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  Speaker 4: a woman, a lot of us kind of entertainment or
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  Speaker 4: laugh along, but we don't. We don't want that attention
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  Speaker 4: when we don't necessarily want the attention, and people go.
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  Speaker 3: Well, why did you laugh, It's like, well, because I
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  Speaker 3: don't want him to be angry with you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying to kind of appease him so he'll go away.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's a similar kind of situation in
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  Speaker 4: this story. You know, she does, she tries, you know,
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  Speaker 4: different tactics, and at the end of the day, brute
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  Speaker 4: force isn't going to help her, you know, and so
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  Speaker 4: there's other you know, skills. I guess that she's she's
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  Speaker 4: going to have to try and use.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, she ultimately begins to understand that the
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  Speaker 2: perhaps the most powerful weapon is actually her ability to
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  Speaker 2: read Bill, and so there's like this fascinating psychological chess
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  Speaker 2: game that starts to happen. And how much do you
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  Speaker 2: think her survival actually is figuring out what he wants
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  Speaker 2: from her?
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  Speaker 3: I think a massive part relies on that.
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  Speaker 4: But in a weird in a kind of weird kind
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  Speaker 4: of probably Stockholm syndrewmy way. I think at some point
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  Speaker 4: she probably just like accepts her fate, yeah, and that
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  Speaker 4: this is just you know, how it's going to be
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  Speaker 4: and maybe what she deserves because she thinks she's been
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  Speaker 4: such a like horrible person.
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  Speaker 3: I think all of those things are at playing her head.
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  Speaker 4: And I think actually a lot of the conversation that
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  Speaker 4: happens between Bill and Jasmine probably is genuine and sincere.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Jasmine's like lying about you know, her
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  Speaker 4: memories with her mom or you know, her life or
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  Speaker 4: anything like that. But I think she definitely, through those
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  Speaker 4: conversations probably quickly figures out, Okay, this is probably what's
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  Speaker 4: going to be my way out, rather than just trying
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  Speaker 4: to run right right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and we obviously cover a lot of disturbing
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  Speaker 2: things on this podcast, and you know, in ninety nine
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  Speaker 2: point nine percent of these situations. It always stems from
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  Speaker 2: loneliness in some regard and someone want to have connection
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  Speaker 2: or so furious that they don't have it, or you know,
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  Speaker 2: it really is about the human condition and wanting to
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  Speaker 2: be connected really ultimately.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely, And I think that's that's so spot
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  Speaker 4: on for Bill one hundred And that's what I mean
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  Speaker 4: in his mind. I don't think he is a villain
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  Speaker 4: at all. He's thinks he's genuinely, you know, helping someone
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  Speaker 4: or has met someone that you know, he feels really
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  Speaker 4: connected to and is you know, going through this awful time,
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  Speaker 4: you know, apparently with nobody to support her, and he
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  Speaker 4: thinks he can be that that's sport.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, So Bill, he gradually gives Jasmine more freedom
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  Speaker 2: because he believes that he's gaining her trust. And there's
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  Speaker 2: something that's really fascinating about the fact that she has
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  Speaker 2: to make him feel as though giving her more freedom
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  Speaker 2: is his idea. Is that when we really start to
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  Speaker 2: see her reclaiming her power.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think definitely, once she suss okay, yeah, the
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  Speaker 4: way to kind of have a bit more maneuverability is
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  Speaker 4: to please him and talk to him and have dinner
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  Speaker 4: with him, and you know, when she is untied not
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  Speaker 4: to immediately run away, you know, and to kind of,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, watch him work and so
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  Speaker 4: unsoble and show some form of feign interest.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's definitely when we start to see the
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  Speaker 4: cogs turning in Jasmine's mind of Okay, if I just
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  Speaker 4: carry on along this path, you know, hopefully an opportunity
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  Speaker 4: will a rise, you know, for me to you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: to formulate some form of a plan to get out
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  Speaker 4: of it.
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  Speaker 2: That Like, it makes me think of even Elizabeth Smart,
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  Speaker 2: how she you know, always this this idea that we've
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  Speaker 2: already talked about that everybody's like.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't they run or why don't they know?
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  Speaker 2: There are obviously a million reasons why that they're built
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  Speaker 2: up to believe that they can't. But she very similarly,
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  Speaker 2: once she understood what she needed to do, she continued
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  Speaker 2: to do that to kind of appease her captor. But
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  Speaker 2: all the while the parallel thing being I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: reach this place where I can actually save myself. Like
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  Speaker 2: I am so struck by the it's like a schizophrenia
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  Speaker 2: in a way, you know, like you have to be
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  Speaker 2: operating on.
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  Speaker 1: These two.
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  Speaker 2: Parallel tracks of like saving yourself but really acting in
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  Speaker 2: some other way.
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  Speaker 5: It's well, it's like acting, yeah, yeah, And I think
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  Speaker 5: that's and that's why I can't even I can't even fathom.
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  Speaker 4: Having to try and do that in a kind of
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  Speaker 4: real life situation where I genuinely feel like my life
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  Speaker 4: is at risk at any moment. I just, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know how you even dig within yourself to find
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  Speaker 4: that mental fortitude to you know what, I mean to
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  Speaker 4: kind of burry it on.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, obviously women do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So one of the.
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  Speaker 2: Very interesting reversal involves Jasmine using Bill's own fascination with
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  Speaker 2: death and funeral rituals against him. So when you first
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  Speaker 2: read where this story was going, what was your reaction.
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  Speaker 3: Was kind of notably freaked out.
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  Speaker 4: I think I think I think I thought I knew
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  Speaker 4: what the story was going to be, and when I
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  Speaker 4: read the entire script.
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  Speaker 3: Was oh my god, this is so creepy and so disturbing.
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  Speaker 4: You know, even even filming it, it was just so
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  Speaker 4: it was really.
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  Speaker 3: Intense, and you know, thankfully.
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  Speaker 4: Rob brought a lot of like levity to set, because otherwise.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it can just get a bit weird.
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  Speaker 4: So I think I think my initial thoughts were like, okay, this,
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  Speaker 4: you know, actually it's quite interesting, and it's it's really
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  Speaker 4: intelligent of her actually, and then like me as to
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  Speaker 4: hear like, oh I'm going to have do this, it
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  Speaker 4: was like, oh, I hope whoever they've cast is like cool?
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  Speaker 2: Right, right?
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  Speaker 1: I did you know one another before?
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  Speaker 3: No? No, we haven't. No, no, no, so we met.
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  Speaker 4: We met on this and you know, like thankfully we
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  Speaker 4: were both like this is a bit weird.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Right, we're all accepting that this right. What I
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  Speaker 2: really love about this character is that it's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't suddenly become an action hero or something.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: You know, she really survives by.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Observing, adapting, being patient, and understanding Bill. So was it
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: important that her escape feel psychologically believable?
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I obviously I love watching like everything films, TV and
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: the one thing, and I also love like, actually especially
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: seeing like female character has you know, use their physicality
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: and good fight scenes and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing is sometimes you watched and oh yeah
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: that's really badass, but it's not that believable believable. Yeah, yeah, OK.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: But then other things I watch, and you know, things
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: that I've been lucky enough to.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Be involved in, when you're working with a really good
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: fight Kroger who actually choreographs the fight you know, for
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: you personally, your stature, your gender, you know, and and
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: and the different again, the different skills that you need
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: to use in order to get away, because you know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: if you're fighting a man, it's not it's not going
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: to be just pure brute strength, right right. And so
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I do think this was really well done in that
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: regard where exactly she doesn't just like fight her her
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: way out or I don't know, you know, stab him
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: to the devil, you know, something like that. She it's
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: a quite it's quite a slow build, and exactly she
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: doesn't she doesn't really use any kind of physical strength.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: It definitely is her, like the psychological aspects and like
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: her own I guess emotional intelligence. Yeah, to manipulate him
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: basically so she can escape.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It really makes me think, you know, in a very
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: extreme version of you know, we like talking to a
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: toddler like sort of you know, engaging them or making
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: them think that it's.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: The oh, like the train, here's the to cho eat your.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Vegetables, you know, like it's it's a funny thing, but
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: it really is in some way, like the the the
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: female maternal instinct is like often what helps it.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I feel like she's you know, you using that too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, And and that is what Bill probably
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: ultimately really really wants. And she's you know, throughout their conversations,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: has obviously picked up on that, and that's what she
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: hones in on it. It's the kind of okay, someone,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: you need someone to care for you and you know
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: you and support you. And that's exactly what he's always wanted.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Right right, what he's lacked.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: So we we hear extraordinary stories of people surviving captivity
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: by doing things that outsiders, armchair experts, you know, sometimes
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: struggle to understand. And you know that that complying and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: gaining the captives trust and appearing affectionate even sometimes so.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Did playing Jasmine make you think differently about what survival
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: can actually look like? Hmmm?
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: I think I was really impressed actually with the fact
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: that it was Jasmine that gets herself out of this situation,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: because actually it you know, it could have easily been
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: her boyfriend or police or you know something. And I
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: was so happy that it wasn't. Yes, But actually, you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: to answer your question, I don't think it did actually
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: make me think any differently.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: And I think because.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: I just think because as a woman, I'm so hyper
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: aware of, you know, having sometimes to rely on, you know,
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: a different skill set or something to deal with really
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: awkward situations or intimidating situations where you you know, you
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: might be dealing with someone really aggressive and actually, you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: meeting them with the same aggression is not going to
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: be you know, the right way to go if you
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: want to try and diffuse the situation.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: And so actually, no, I know, and that's what I mean.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I think again, I kind of like, you know, a
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: lot of true crime, So I think I've probably listened
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: and watched enough stories to know.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: That, Yeah, as you said, wow, you know.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Even if I had to do some unbelievable things that
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: the average person, yeah, might question, but actually in that
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: moment again, to just stay alive for as long as
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: possible so you can escape, Yeah, that's what you have
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: to do. So I think No, I think I think
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: I totally understood actually where where Jasmine was coming from
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: and why she needed to do the things that she did.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: We are always adapting all the time, all the time,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, And so I mean I agree with you.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I would like to think that I would be able
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: to apply the things that I do on a regular
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: basis where that you go into a meeting, Oh, don't
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: be don't be too uh too friendly. Oh but don't
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: don't you know, don't be too controlling, don't be too confident,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: be nice, but make it make sure they know that
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: you can do your job, you know, Like it's like we're.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Constantly constantly Yeah, and I think that is probably you know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: I think actually I think, you know, human beings as
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: a whole have to do that. But I just do think, yeah,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: maybe I'm biased, but I just do think that women
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: have to do that so much more in so many
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: in so many different industries and situations.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: That whole thing is like being.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Able to like really quickly read read the room, read
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: the personalities, and like adapt to each of those people.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: And because you know, I've had conversations with male friends
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: who just said, oh no, I just I just tell them,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: you know, directly what I want, And I'm like, well, yeah,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: that works easy for you. Not quite the same reaction
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: that I'm going to get unfortunately.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So do you think that people are too
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: quick to judge how victims behave when they've never experienced
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: the fear and psychological control of captivity themselves?
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent, one hundred percent without a doubt.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: And unfortunately, even police, you know, do the same thing
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: where they you know, question the victim more than you
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: know the the captor, and you just think, you know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: that that's not important. What's important is why the bad
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: person did what they did. So no, I I don't
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: think I I'm trying to think. No, I don't think
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I do question because also I you know, fortunately I
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: don't have any I don't have any personal experience of
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: you know, being held captive. So actually, I if you
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: never have been in a you know, a kind of
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: even just like an intense situation where you're really afraid
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: for your safety or you know, anything like that, you
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: just you just have no idea how you're going to
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: react in the moment.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: You don't.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: And everyone's survival instinct is really different and is going
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: to kind of show itself in different ways. And so
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: I just think to myself, look, actually, I have so
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: much respect for people like Jasmine.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: You know who.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Just don't give up, because actually I think I think,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I think I'll just give up and be like, oh
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: you know what this.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Gad, I guess this is my life now?
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, yeah, exactly, And so I think, wow, like
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: the strength mental strength that that must take, and.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Like the true will to live, right, there's something incredibly
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: beautiful about that that I really want to survive, you know.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: That's probably more what I focus on actually, and that
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I'm more fascinated by rather than you know, whatever they
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: have to do, But it's more about, Wow, they really
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: want to live. It's amazing.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well, So after spending so much time inside
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Jasmine's head, what do you hope that people watching her
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: story understand about the extraordinary and unexpected ways people find
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to survive.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, like just what we've been talking about,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: like giving I guess, giving victim these other victims a
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: lot of grace, not you know, like not judging them,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: but actually more judging you know, the situation that they've
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: been put in.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: And.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Like appreciating.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: The fact that, like we said, you know, just appreciating
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: someone's appreciating and respecting sorry, appreciating respecting someone's like pure
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: desire to live no matter what they have to do.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: I just that's what I hope people will take from it,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: and you know, yeah, just not to make kind of
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: silly assumptions about oh, you know, oh, well you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: why didn't they get up and run, or why didn't
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: she fight back? You know, any of that. Well she
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: didn't and she lived.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: So there you go.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for talking with me today.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: So A Girl in the Caffin is streaming now on Lifetime.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: It's a very powerful thriller and to hear her, you're
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: just lovely.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I've so enjoyed meeting you, and thank you so much.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Can I just sorry I have to include this part,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: but oh my god, I just need to like girl.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Fast, Oh please please.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I was like when my team were like, oh, there's
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: an interview request coming, like, I literally have landed today.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: I've been in New York for the last four days
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: and I'm like absolutely, I'm so tired.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: And I was like, no, who's hang on, who's the
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: hot I don't have.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: To do it.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: I have to do it. I have to.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Oh thank you so oh that made me feel good.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: And I know you must get this all the time.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: And probably you're like, probably so bored of hearing it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: But I'm so sorry. But I just like, I'm sorry.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Tru Lis is like my.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: My absolute like childhood. I know, you know how to
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: explain how much that movie means to me.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I I it makes me feel great.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: It's brought many wonderful things to me too, so I'm
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: eternally grateful for it. I'm just shocked that it keeps,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I love it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: It's like it's just timeless and iconic and oh my god,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: I can't even.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for saying that.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Well, best of luck with the movie. I hope it's
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a huge success.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Yeah, it's been really great and.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I hope we get to chat again.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, Thank you, thank you.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Bye,