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Patriots Unfiltered 2/18: NFL Combine Prep, Draft Talk, Offseason Topics · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The World's a Pigeon podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: Alex Atis, maybe can chime in a little bit on
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  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl some of the commercials that apparently out.
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  Speaker 3: It's already brought one up that I totally missed.
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  Speaker 4: Now, cousin Michelle, letn't stop talking.
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  Speaker 3: So is that kind of hard?
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  Speaker 5: Michelle?
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  Speaker 6: I have to ask the present of the drink fan club, like,
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  Speaker 6: how are you doing?
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  Speaker 7: He didn't play like any of his good ones. It's
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  Speaker 7: twenty verse one in the industry.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't know people like teas exist.
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  Speaker 7: It's done, and it just brings me so much joy
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  Speaker 7: that there's a little kid in Kansas City who thought
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  Speaker 7: he was about to get a three peak. It's gonna
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  Speaker 7: haunt him for ten years and that just brings so
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  Speaker 7: much joy to me.
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  Speaker 8: Sucking like a true drink fan.
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  Speaker 6: So disagree with him on Adam and Erry, Like, what
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  Speaker 6: more does a kicker could possibly do? Favoritism to certain
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  Speaker 6: franchises with the Hall of Fame that these vote just
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  Speaker 6: typically gravitate towards until the Patriots dynasty is on par
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  Speaker 6: with the other dynasties. I'm going to continue to be
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  Speaker 6: pissed off about it, like Sterling Sharp getting in, Like
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  Speaker 6: good player, but like, is he really you know a
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  Speaker 6: guy that, oh thank god he got in. If those
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  Speaker 6: were nineteen seventies Pittsburgh Steelers, they would have walked into
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  Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame. And now that the Patriots, it's like, no,
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  Speaker 6: we can't let those guys in.
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  Speaker 8: So this goes right ouf my butt.
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  Speaker 4: It is Tuesday here at j Let's Stadium, and I
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  Speaker 4: haven't been here for a while. Uh so I'll just
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  Speaker 4: start to show off. It's Evan, It's Paul, It's Deuce,
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  Speaker 4: It's Matt and the booth. Is there any questions that
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  Speaker 4: you needed me to ask last week? But because I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't here, I couldn't answer having to do with the
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  Speaker 4: Super Bowl or halftime or the commercials or anything.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think of the Super Bowl? Right it?
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  Speaker 4: I had a great time. I know I picked Kansas
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  Speaker 4: City to win, but the right team for Patriots Nation one,
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  Speaker 4: So it was awesome. I you know, for now, the
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  Speaker 4: dynasty holes defend the wall, defend the wall. The Patriots
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  Speaker 4: remain at the top of the heap. Tom Brady remains
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  Speaker 4: at the top of the quarterback heap. All is good,
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  Speaker 4: All is good.
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  Speaker 3: And how about your food? Your Super Bowl food?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I I watched by myself, so I'm good. Yeah, yeah, sad,
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  Speaker 4: not really not really here. I was all good with it.
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  Speaker 3: You get the whole pregame.
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  Speaker 4: You watched the whole thing, the whole thing, yeah, Fox
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  Speaker 4: on Bourbon Street.
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  Speaker 3: Did you feel like the Chiefs were going to turn
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  Speaker 3: it around?
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  Speaker 4: I did? I? Well, I I thought that, okay, they're
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  Speaker 4: gonna at some point get going, because that's the NFL, right,
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  Speaker 4: it's you know, third quarter, late third quarter, both teams
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  Speaker 4: start to you know, go up and down the field,
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  Speaker 4: especially in Super Bowls lately. But they had nothing. They
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  Speaker 4: were so dominated in the trenches that they couldn't operate
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  Speaker 4: their offense, you know, And that's what it came down to.
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  Speaker 8: So favorite commercial.
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  Speaker 4: I liked the Dura cell one everybody. I thought it
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  Speaker 4: was short and sweet and simple, a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: a surprise there, you know, So I that was the
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  Speaker 4: one I liked the best. The Seal one was good,
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  Speaker 4: like it was so weird that it was good. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's the one I like. Dura cel was.
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  Speaker 3: That the Tom Brady one where he yeah, he.
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  Speaker 4: Runs out of gas and the guy comes in from yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well there you have it.
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  Speaker 5: Sad watched it by himself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I saw him the intro you're talking about,
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  Speaker 4: uh Hall of Fame, I kind of agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: My only shirt thing and who was Antonio Gates? Everyone
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  Speaker 4: else shouldn't have been in and Vinitary should have been in.
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  Speaker 4: But I get the kicker. As long as he gets
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  Speaker 4: in next year, I'll be okay. But if they start
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  Speaker 4: delaying him like he was the best kicker in his
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  Speaker 4: era in his position, isn't that kind of like one
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  Speaker 4: of the qualifications that you dominate your position in your era.
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  Speaker 4: Like if he doesn't get in as a kicker, who does?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 4: I think that was a snub. But I can wait
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  Speaker 4: a year for him. But all the other guys, eh,
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  Speaker 4: Antonio Gates is my only sure thing, like when I
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  Speaker 4: see his name, yeah, he's a Hall of Famer. Although
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  Speaker 4: I do like the way Jared Allen came in on
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  Speaker 4: the Field on the horse that he got a couple
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  Speaker 4: extra votes in my book for that entrance. His entrance Gideo.
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  Speaker 8: I'll never like the Hall of Fame. No, I'll always
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  Speaker 8: argue with them.
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  Speaker 6: It's just one of those things that bothers me, Like.
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  Speaker 4: You don't have to have guys go in every year.
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  Speaker 5: Like, well they didn't, this is your perfect year. They
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  Speaker 5: had like half the size of what it has been.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And this should be because nobody was that guy, that good.
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  Speaker 3: Small hall Paul right, politics, a lot of it is.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just would have had different guys like Sterling Shop.
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  Speaker 5: Why did he have to go in? I mean, I
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  Speaker 5: get it, it's tragic to I mean I get it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he suffered a career ending injury. I get him.
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  Speaker 5: But that doesn't mean you.
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  Speaker 4: Go to the Hall of Fame, Jackson to the Hall
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  Speaker 4: of Fame.
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  Speaker 5: It just I don't shouldn't. I don't feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you should just get in based on what you would
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  Speaker 5: have done. Was he tracking as a Hall of Absolutely yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but he got hurt, right and he couldn't play anymore,
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  Speaker 5: and that's that sucks for him. But Tarl Davis is in, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it shouldn't be in either.
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  Speaker 8: No, I'm gonna pay Robert Edwards all right.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, So let's get to current events. Uh, we got
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  Speaker 4: the combine coming up next week. I know our staff
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  Speaker 4: is getting ready for that. Uh, Deuce and Evan, you'll
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  Speaker 4: be going down there.
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  Speaker 3: Excited, very excited of the year combine number five for me,
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  Speaker 3: very excited. I've been jumping in on all the all
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  Speaker 3: the guys, you know, the all the prospects, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: just putting together general thoughts of the class. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's just when you need a lot, everything looks appealing.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that's like, you know, no matter what
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  Speaker 3: position you kind of look at other than quarterback right now.
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  Speaker 4: It's like going to supermarket when you're hungry.
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  Speaker 3: I know, exactly thing looks good, Like whoa, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's I think. I think Evan and I are con
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  Speaker 3: on the same page about Mason Graham. But still he's good.
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  Speaker 3: He's a good player. You know, it's easy to see
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  Speaker 3: how they could use him, but you see other bigger
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  Speaker 3: needs and I just I hope as a defense guy,
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  Speaker 3: something that I beat last year into the drama of Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I feel like the defense is kind of
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  Speaker 3: falling apart personnel wise, and then it fell apart on
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  Speaker 3: the field to last year, to you know, to a
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  Speaker 3: really low level. I just hope that they can get
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  Speaker 3: some really young players to build around on the defensive
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  Speaker 3: side of the ball, in the front somewhere. And I
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  Speaker 3: think it's a good class to be able to do that.
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  Speaker 3: It's you know, those defensive ends and edges and even
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  Speaker 3: a couple of the outside linebacker guys who can run
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. Very intriguing and easy to Apparently Paul.
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  Speaker 4: I had been talking to Dante's garneck here because Dante
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  Speaker 4: says in number four, you pick guys who can get
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  Speaker 4: to the quarterback and score touchdowns. I know that's who
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  Speaker 4: you that's what you believe, right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, where do you think I got it from?
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  Speaker 2: From? Bill?
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  Speaker 5: Bill said that for years? Yeah, those are the hardest
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  Speaker 5: things to find.
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  Speaker 4: Right, guys who can score touchdowns?
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  Speaker 5: One guys score touchdowns and you pack the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 4: So fat does Mason Graham fit at least to get
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  Speaker 4: to the quarterback. But I'm not saying he finishes, but
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  Speaker 4: he can cause that to happen.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, if you if you're it's kind of splitting hairs.
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  Speaker 6: You know, he's a pressure guy. I wouldn't say he's
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  Speaker 6: a sack guy, but he definitely causes pressure up the
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  Speaker 6: interior on the quarterback. So if that fits the bill,
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  Speaker 6: you know, from that respect, then yeah, I would say
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  Speaker 6: he can do that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 4: So that's defense on offense. Ted McMillan had some comments
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  Speaker 4: recently that I kind of liked, you know, like he's
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  Speaker 4: showing a little bit of swagger.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he definitely has a swagger. I think with Tep McMillan,
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  Speaker 6: you just you worry about some issues with play speed
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  Speaker 6: and long speed, you know, top end speed to win
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  Speaker 6: over the top, and he just doesn't really have that
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  Speaker 6: like dynamic gear in the open field that you would
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  Speaker 6: think of of like a top five pick in the draft,
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  Speaker 6: you know, like this is not when you pick a
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  Speaker 6: receiver that high, you're expecting it to be Calvin Johnson,
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  Speaker 6: Julio Jones, you know, like somebody like that. And that's
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  Speaker 6: just not the level of prospect that he is. But
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  Speaker 6: that doesn't make him a bad player. It's just you know,
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  Speaker 6: I would say that about a lot of this draft,
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  Speaker 6: right you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, most of those guys, but somebody has to get
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  Speaker 4: picked forth, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Mason Graham. You know, I was listening to Dame
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  Speaker 6: Brugler on one of Paul's shows. He's like, well, he's
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  Speaker 6: not Quentin Williams, but he's like a good prospect, right, Like,
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  Speaker 6: that's what all this draft is like. Tep McMillan is
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  Speaker 6: not Julio Jones.
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  Speaker 8: But he's a good prospect.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 8: It's a it's a tough spot. It's a tough spot
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  Speaker 8: to be in.
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  Speaker 4: Cam Wart's certainly lobbying for himself to go high. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: does things like that, like when he says, you know, somebody,
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  Speaker 4: you know, somebody's not gonna take me, but they're gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to play me for the rest of my career
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  Speaker 4: and they're gonna regret it. Does that help in his
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  Speaker 4: you know, stock? Does that help his his stock at all?
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  Speaker 4: Showing that confidence?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, did you believe it when he said? Did
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  Speaker 3: you hear him? I don't know, Like that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I just think a lot of this stuff is what
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  Speaker 3: you have to say right now, especially as a quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: trying to improve your stock and get him up into
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  Speaker 3: the top five. And there's so much speculation whether or
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  Speaker 3: not he's able to you know, whether he might be
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  Speaker 3: able to do that, So I hope he can. I
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  Speaker 3: think it'd be great for the Patriots if he's able to.
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  Speaker 3: I just think there's two drafts right now, you're sitting
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  Speaker 3: at four, or there's that wide world of a trade down.
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  Speaker 3: I never thought a trade down was possible last year.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you're gonna stick at three, kind of want
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  Speaker 3: Drake may hope he's there. But now it seems like
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  Speaker 3: they if they do get a trade opportunity. There's a
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  Speaker 3: lot to like about trading down and some of the
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  Speaker 3: opportunities that open. I say all that though, with they
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  Speaker 3: need talent, and if there's a blue chip guy there.
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  Speaker 4: Well there's not. There's no blue chain. There's there's two
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  Speaker 4: and a half Genti's running back.
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  Speaker 6: So I just don't even like, yeah, I'm not considering
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  Speaker 6: that for the Patriots, but I think Carter and Hunter
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  Speaker 6: are both blue chip prospects, right But you know, besides
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  Speaker 6: those two, and in this draft, it feels like the
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  Speaker 6: strength is in the top. You know, half of the
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  Speaker 6: first round is in the depth of it, where like
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  Speaker 6: four through twelve is kind of all the same level
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  Speaker 6: of player. But the issue is with the trade down scenarios,
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  Speaker 6: is that somebody needs to want to trade up, So
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  Speaker 6: it's like, how are you convincing these teams behind you
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  Speaker 6: to trade up for a player? Is more complicated in
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  Speaker 6: my mind. And yeah, it would be great to trade down,
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  Speaker 6: like this is a trade down year for multiple reasons.
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  Speaker 4: You'd have to have a team that just loves a
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  Speaker 4: certain player for a certain reason.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, probably a quarterback.
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  Speaker 6: But even then it you know, it complicates things of
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  Speaker 6: how much are you actually getting in the trade down
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  Speaker 6: because this is a little bit of a water down
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  Speaker 6: year for quarterbacks too, So is someone really gonna give
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  Speaker 6: you a package that's worthwhile to come up and get
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  Speaker 6: cam Ward Sanders? Like I don't know, So that when
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  Speaker 6: it comes to the trade down, Like, that's the part
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  Speaker 6: I can't wrap my head around. It's obvious why the
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  Speaker 6: Patriots would want to trade down, sure, but why, you know,
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  Speaker 6: why is somebody coming up to get their pick is
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  Speaker 6: a different conversation because there's a million prospects, you know,
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  Speaker 6: like as Deuce was saying, from four to twelve that
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  Speaker 6: have appeal. You know, Will Campbell, Mason Graham, Teed McMillan,
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  Speaker 6: Tyler Warren, Jalen Walker, like all those guys you could say,
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  Speaker 6: if Patriots could use that guy. So trading down makes
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  Speaker 6: a lot of sense, but you gotta get somebody to
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  Speaker 6: bite on it.
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  Speaker 4: I said, somebody has to be in love with a
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  Speaker 4: certain player.
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  Speaker 3: But the one, the one you kind of see popping
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  Speaker 3: up right now is the Raiders trading up to four
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  Speaker 3: to get sur That's some of the mock drafts that
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  Speaker 3: people throw out there. I think they're seven or eight.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, no, I mean, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 3: buy it, but that you know, it's the move that
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  Speaker 3: maybe would makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: Like maybe I've just missed it. But are you surprised
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  Speaker 4: that of the lack of noise we're hearing from Dion
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  Speaker 4: Sanders and Doors should Door Sanders like this, like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a little bit like they've been quiet.
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  Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of lobbying behind the scenes
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  Speaker 6: going on the back channeling with those guys. I don't
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  Speaker 6: think he wants to go to Cleveland. That's just my hunch.
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  Speaker 6: I think that that's like a hard pass for him.
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  Speaker 6: But I think if it was the Giants or the Titans,
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  Speaker 6: he would be okay with it. But for some reason,
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  Speaker 6: it sounds like Cleveland is for both guys, both Colorado guys.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, so combine coming up. Obviously draft is innovable, but
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  Speaker 4: before that, free agency is going to open up. And
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  Speaker 4: we heard I guess it's still report. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if Cincinnati has confirmed it, but the report is that
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  Speaker 4: they will be franchising T.
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  Speaker 5: Higgins if they can't reach a long term extension. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: So I wouldn't expect that to happen until, like I mean,
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  Speaker 5: it could happen today, it's the open of the window,
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  Speaker 5: but they have till March fourth. Yeah, so if they
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  Speaker 5: legitimately want to sign him, then continue to negotiate.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think they will. I think they will.
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  Speaker 4: Even if they can't reach an extension up until March fourth,
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  Speaker 4: they'll they'll do it so they can keep control of
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  Speaker 4: him because the thing they have to worry about is
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  Speaker 4: Joe Burrow. They don't want to piss him off.
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  Speaker 5: So you were you were, you know, been away a
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  Speaker 5: long time. They don't shine shoes no more. Did you
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  Speaker 5: hear Joe Burrow's comments last week called the salary cap
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  Speaker 5: is my new favorite quarterback of all time? He's supplanted
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  Speaker 5: l way what did he say? It's crap? Like you
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  Speaker 5: can all these all the different things that teams can
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  Speaker 5: do to get around it, and he's he's he's absolutely
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  Speaker 5: absolutely going to be upset if they cop out and
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  Speaker 5: cheap out and don't give him the money. And that's
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  Speaker 5: what he's he like, people will do it, and they
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  Speaker 5: I've already seen it. I think Javon Holland is one
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  Speaker 5: of the guys that people cap casualty. That's not what
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  Speaker 5: it is. It's not cap casualties. Is I don't want
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  Speaker 5: to pay that guy that much to do that. That's
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  Speaker 5: not a cap casualty. That's just I don't want that
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  Speaker 5: player anymore were at that price.
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  Speaker 2: You're right.
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  Speaker 4: See again, I don't want to turn this into Fred
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  Speaker 4: and Paul are saying the same thing, but they're arguing anyway.
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  Speaker 4: But in the case of like to the show when
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  Speaker 4: I left. But in the case of like the Saints,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to have to make decisions, and the guys
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  Speaker 4: that they decide to cut or do whatever with their contract,
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  Speaker 4: those are a result of being over the cap.
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  Speaker 5: So for guys they don't want, they'll get rid of.
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  Speaker 4: It, right. But whether or not you want to call
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  Speaker 4: them cap casualties or not, they are. They were cut
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  Speaker 4: because of the cap.
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  Speaker 5: It says you. I will respect your wishes to not
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  Speaker 5: get involved, but.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean, like, like I can agree
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  Speaker 4: with you. Both things can be true. You can do
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  Speaker 4: whatever you want with the cap, that is true, but
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  Speaker 4: the cap causes you to have to do things.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that's all I'm saying. Yeah, well, I
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  Speaker 5: think that there is a cap it right, It's just
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  Speaker 5: you can do literally dozens of things, but sometimes avoid it.
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  Speaker 4: But sometimes there's a sacrifice in order to be made
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  Speaker 4: to do what you want to do for somebody.
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  Speaker 6: I think the Ants are an extreme example because they're
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  Speaker 6: the only team in the league that runs the cap
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  Speaker 6: the way that they run it, So.
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  Speaker 5: They post to children from from my end of the bargain.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, because they just look at it as like
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: credit and the bill never gets due.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: And they're gonna be in the same next year.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we're as opposed to a team like Cincinnati,
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: where it feels more like they don't really want to
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: play the cash right, like they don't want to pay
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: the cash out. So it's two different things. But I'm
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: interested to see what other guys might get franchised to,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: like you know what happens with Ronnie Stanley. I think
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: that's a move that if you're Baltimore, you probably want
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: to get him secured if you're gonna keep them. Uh.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: We talked about Aler Jackson and in the with the Rams,
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: another young tackle that I've seen some speculation that maybe
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: he could get the tag. I think those are positions
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: that impact the Patriots where you know, if you don't
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: get Will Campbell, I just i'd loved Like I've said
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: up before, I'd love to get one of those top
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: ranked tackles in free agency if they're able to, and
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: those guys even hit free agency.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: T Higgins thing I think impacts the pay. It's in
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: a negative way. And it's not just because well all
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: that they can't get T Higgins, that's the guy I
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: would I would target. But it's a trickle down, So
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: everybody was going to be interested in T Higgins. So
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: now everybody that was really interested in a wide receiver
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: is going to go to the next guy, right, you know,
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: And you know, like a team like the Chargers as
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: an example, who probably needs another weapon with Lad McConkey
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: to knock Quinton Johnston down. You know, in importance, maybe
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: they want Chris Godwin or maybe they want one of
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: the other wide receivers that's.
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: Available, digs maybe, Yeah, yeah, I think with Higgins gets
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: lost a lot of the time because it's the second
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: year in a row. It's only twenty six million dollars
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: to tag him for next season, which is nowadays that's
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: the going rate.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: He's going to make it. He's only going to make
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: about thirty right, right.
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: So like we're not talking about it being an overpay
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: by any means for Cincinnati to just keep kicking it
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: down the road and have him play on the tag now,
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: Higgins could sit out, you know, I guess in theory.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: But plus they have Hendrickson too, who they're going to
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: the same they're in the same spot, and obviously they
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: got to do something with Chase. But Chase is not
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: going to get he's not in a position to get franchise.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: He's under contract. But yeah, yeah, Hendrickson is looking for
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: an extension. Chase is looking for an extension in Higgins.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: So we'll see.
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: I just think when you talk hear people talk about it,
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: they're like, oh, it's a second year in a row,
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: it's this big jump. It's not that big of a jump,
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: like now instead of twenty it's twenty six and that's
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: the going rate for a really good wide receiver, twenty
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: six to thirty million dollars a year, So they're really
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: kind of underpaying him for next year in a way,
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: Like he's going to lose money a big time, I
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: would say, on the open market, because you know, if
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: he got himself into a bidding war with multiple teams,
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: you know, he was probably going to get closer to
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: the top of the market than the bottom of the market.
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: So if I waste Higgins that, you know, I'd be
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: pretty pissed that.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: He might be. I don't have we heard from him
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: since they made that enough Well again they haven't announced it,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: but the report.
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think so.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Evan Kaish questions, I mean, I just all this talk
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: about the weapons of it all, and like and I
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: know you even said this, like it's hard not to
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: think about those tight ends in the draft this year
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: at four, you know, as much as Will Campbell is
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: a need And you know, Paul brought up the thing
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: that Dante said, like Gronk was the number one, you know,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: like one of these tight ends is there is there
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: an argument to be made that you give Drake may
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: a dynamic, young tight end who's gonna be with him
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: for the long haul and can catch and can run
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: and has the size to do some of the dirty work.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: And it's not the number one receiver that everybody's been
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: clamoring for, but it might actually be the number one
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: that Drake may needs.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: It might be a more of a sure thing.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I you know, I just I think
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: when you stack the talent up, like Evan said, like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: is there much of a difference between you know, these
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: guys with Tyler and you know, with Mason Graham at
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: that spot or we'll we'll Campbell at that spot.
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know. I just tight ends are really intriguing.
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: Colston Lovelin's the other one from Michigan who's like more
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: in that Travis Kelce brock Bauers type of mold, like
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: a big reveran.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: How many catches to brus have this year? You know what? Yeah,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: it's an instant, high volume impact.
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: Now, he doesn't have a ton of targets throughout his
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: course of his college career like Tyler. Warren has you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: been in college for like ten years, so he's has
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: a bunch of more production, more volume years but like that,
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: you know, it's it's fun. It's like two different categories
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: of tight ends like we talk about with Gronk and Kelsey.
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: You know, Tyler Warren is the Gronk prototype, Like he's
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: a six foot six, two hundred and fifty two hundred
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: and sixty pound tight end that can block, that can
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: put his hand in the dirt, that can catch the
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: football and do all those different things. And then Colston
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: Loveland is like an explosive receiver that's kind of just
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: like a giant slot receiver. And it's just a matter
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: of which guy, you know, which flavor would you rather have.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: And I think there's a conversation for both those guys
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: in the spot for the Patriots. But in order to
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: get there, I feel like you have to address the
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: trenches in in free agency, Like you have to go
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: into the draft, yeah with a leftd to go into
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: the draft with some pass rush and go into the
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: draft with all those holes filled, because otherwise it's hard
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: to just pick.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: What would you rather the Patriots get one or two
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: of the best at their position free agents or seven
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: or eight good players and free agents. One you'd rather
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: do one.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I'd rather get a Ronnie Stanley and a Chris Godwin
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: and and the Dre Greenlaw and those three guys, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: that's it, and go like, you know, three big spots.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: Seven or eight good players. Yeah, I don't know, but
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: I'll take seven or eight good.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Players, I know. And even then, like even when no
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: matter who you get in free agency, like we've talked
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: about it before, half of them, if you get quantity half.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Of them award in general terms, my mindset would be
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: more like Mike. I'll you know, on my show, they say,
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: you know, give me the horse, not the ponies. Right,
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: But if you're talking about seven or eight as opposed
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: to three, you know, like brock Bauers, how'd they do?
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: But you know, you can't be any better than brock
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: Bauers was as a rookie tight end. Right, you said
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: all kinds of records, right, they stink. It's not his fault, right,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: he's great. Yeah, but you know adding one or two, Yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: it doesn't do what it doesn't doesn't do what he
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: could do.
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm with Paul.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: I would probably rather go that route and then look
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: for the ceiling in the draft. Then when you get
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: to the draft, you can really take those big swings
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: on those needle mover type players, whether it's a pass
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: rusher or pass catcher whatever. I think if they could
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: build the lines in free agency, then they can do
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: that in the draft. But it's a lot easier said
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: than done with the free agent market, especially on the
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: offensive line. Like are you going to be able to
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: build an offensive line through free agency? I don't know,
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: especially once Ronnie Stanley gets tagged and Tray Smith gets tagged,
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: and you know, now you're getting to free agency, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: you know Cam Robinson is the best tackle.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: It's like, okay, you know, I just love I just
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: love it. Though you know, the super Bowl happens and
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: the Eagles win in the trend, but they won everywhere
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: else too, by the way, But thank you Kurt. You know,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: but all of a sudden, that's the way to do it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: You have to build, have to set out. It's unbelievable,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Just like last year. You have to have a unicorn, right,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: you have to have a running just.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's fodder for super Bowl one.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: You need the power suite.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Right, It's all we talked about a little bit last week.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: It's fodder for our discussion and that's what we say.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: But does it have a real impact on the draft itself?
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And would you say that now whereas last year maybe
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: teams were like, we got to treat up and get
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: your standers. We need to find the unicorn. I mean,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: just now, is the reaction well, I don't know, they
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: developed Jalen Hurts. They just went for the you know,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: best defensive lineman. Let's just take Mason Grim. You know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: like this does it? Is it tangible results from this
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: or is it just kind of congeesutor.
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: I think that.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: These personnel departments and these teams would be smarter than
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I know. I know, right, like the recency body did
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: not affect them, but it's it may not be true.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: Right, I think it's a copycat league in a lot
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: of ways. Like you we're talking about Bowers, Like those
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: two tight ends are going to fly off the board
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: because everybody's going to look at the rookie season.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: That why not. No disrespect to Elliott Wolf, but Howie
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Roseman seems to be a pretty good GM. I think
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: that's part of it too.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, yeah he's on a heater it let's
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: fay everything he's searching right now, right, But I.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: Also just like I think that Howie Roseman is a
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: testament to to consensus sometimes is the smartest way to go.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: Like they have drafted name brand, big time program type
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: players like Jalen Carter, DeVante smith Landon Dickerson. Uh, you
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: know they're not going. They're not going to you teach Attauga.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: You know, like they're not.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: But not going. When I say that he's on a heater,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: like the Jalen Carter pick is really enormous, and it's
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: not all that different to first iteration dynasty when Belichick
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: would take you know, like when you're on a heater
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: and you take Gronk when he didn't play it down
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: of football was last year at our owner and he
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: turns out to be the best tight end in history.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: That's a pick that when you're on a heater and
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: you're going good works out. When Jalen Cotter, who should
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: have been probably the first overall pick, does some stupid
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: stuff in between his Georgia career and the draft and
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: falls to what ten ten I believe it, do you
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: take him? He just as easily could have continued to
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: do most stupid stuff and been in the police blotder
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: and you get nothing out of him. Instead, he was
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: the single most impactful player I watched in the playoffs,
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: you know, and I watched all the playoff games. He
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: was the most dominant player in the playoffs that I watched.
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: It's a testament to them.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: That's that's when you live and right when you make
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: that pick, he falls in your app a, which is
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: first of all, that's a great break, and then he
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: doesn't do the stupid stuff yet anyway, and you win
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: a super Bowl, right, that's when you're living.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Right, testament to the program, you know, like the like
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: they brought him into a really good team and a
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: really good culture, and like they were able to so
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: far at least like put all that stuff on.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Speaking of that, it reminds me that episode one of
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: two thousand and four Super Bowl Odyssey what's the official name.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, design Episode two just dropped about a half hour.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: They had the same scenario with Corey Dillon.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: They brought a guy who was a malcontent people thought,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: you know, and they brought him into a program that
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: was established with veterans in a way about it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: That made that comp Yeah, and absolutely the same thing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: And Corey Dillon would worked out and there's some really
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: great stuff with Corey Dylon in it, So you can
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: find that anywhere you can get your podcasts. It's episode
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: one's out, episode one.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Of three, yeah, four out, one of four. Yeah, two's
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: out now and I have two more coming down the
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: pipeline rest of the week. But not shout out to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Paul and Matt who they actually did the dirty work
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: of interviewing Corey Dyllan. I know that might have been
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: a little scary for you, Paul, based on.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: The Oh it was great.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Was he was terrific.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: I told him, yeah, I told him you you were
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: literally one of three guys in that locker room. Really
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: that that frightened me, and he just started laughing, he
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: seems so. I told him the whole story ago.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: So I remember, but you had you had Corey Dillon,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Matt, Patricia, you had Scott Pioli, yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Bruski cor yeah, yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I felt like like Dion branch And and Bruski were two
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: that that had to have for that season. But no,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: it was we were planning on doing three and then
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Mac got into three and then we're like this is
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: two long, so we're doing three and four for uh
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: just the first two playoff games and then the last
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: the super Bowl and some reflections. It's good stuff.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: It's all audio, yep, So put it on when you're
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: in the gym or driving or whatever. It's it's a
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: really good listen.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I'd say too, like I want to make one sales
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: point on it too, because it's something I realized listening
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: to a draft Matt sent me last night in my
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: car is like, it's so fun to listen to gilan
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Gino's radio calls in your car again and to hear
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: that audio and to hear the fan reaction and there's
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: just there's nothing else like that, Like, and you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I heard, God, somebody around the office was just talking
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: to it might have been you Paul talking about those
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: guys yesterday and just how iconic those calls were, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: it just takes you right back to that age. And
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just there's something to me about audio,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: like listening to it on the radio that just I
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: don't know, it triggers something in your memory really really cool.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: So I just I enjoy that part. So if you
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: get a chance to listen to it, listen to your car,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: listen loud You'll be like, you're sitting back in Jollette
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Stadium when they were kicking butt back, it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Just reminds you of how buttoned up they really were.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: I mean that team was buttoned up, you know, And however,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: had all the angles Patriots team.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Every Yeah, yeah, I mean that's.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I mean if O seven had completed the deal. But
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: when you look at just every aspect of it, you know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: it was the Eagles plus Tom Brady, you know, they
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: like wherever you looked at the team, they had really
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: good players.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think you can make an argument that the
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: old four team was more talented than the seven team. Now,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: you're right, had they finished it, no one would ever
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: make I would because I'm a contrarian, I'm sure, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: I'm an argumentative by nature. But I just think that
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: there was no weakness on the four team, whereas I
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: thought that your seven defense was greatly prop up by
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: the offense. Yes, I don't think the defense was great.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: It had great numbers.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were getting along in the submission.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they made you a one dimensional team every game.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I think to the performance in the playoffs that stood
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: out to me going back because we kind of make
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: fun of them in the later years that their playoff teams.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: In the first round, it was all right, this is
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: a gimme. You know, the first round. You're playing Peyton
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Manning coming off of putting forty nine points on the Broncos.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: He threw I think he threw forty nine touchdowns and
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: set the league record that year. I mean, that was
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: an elite offense that was coming into Gillette. And then
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh had lost one game all year, you know, I
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: mean it's it's you know, and and the Patriots handled
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: them both pretty easily. I mean, the hardest of the
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: game the three was the Eagles, you know, but it
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: was the special team, special team. And you know, to
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Evans kind of point with the Eagles, when you get
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: to this point where you're kind of from a position
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: of strength, you like your roster, there are a lot
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: of things you it gives you a little bit more freedom.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: You're a little bit loose. Like now, is a Patriots fan,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: color analyst, whatever covering this team. It's like kind of
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: tense because you need so much and you're wondering how
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: it's gonna fall. And you know, team like the Eagles,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: maybe they probably didn't go and think but we're gonna
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: get Jaalen Carter. But they're like, sure, yeah, we don't
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: have any other you know, we don't have a huge
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: hole at left tackle right now, or we don't have
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: a huge hole at another position, pass rusher, whatever it is.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: We can kind of do what we want. I think
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: it's just that's where that Patriots team was too. They
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: were able to kind of take chances, and you know,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: you draft a guy like Ben Watson who didn't really
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: even do a whole heck of a lot, but still
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: became a pretty good player, and you know down the
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: road and you know, you just you're not so we
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: need it. We need it now. We need this guy
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: to come like this fourth overall pick, he's got to
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: come in. He's got to save our offensive line.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: So you're the defending Super Bowl champs and you go
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: into the the draft with two number one.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: This is so crazy.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: All right, Well it's the same thing as Carter, right,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I mean that's what happened. Will Fork Will Fork Fell.
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: You know, the Bill is way ahead of the curve
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: in terms of draft pick value and all that kind
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: of stuff, and like they would just collect first round
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: picks in some years and you'd just be like, wait,
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: they have two foot Jones and Dante Tire, like, how
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: did this happen? And then like everybody else, I feel
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: like now has sort of caught up to the value
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: of the picks, but he was way ahead on that.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: He used to credit Jimmy Johnson for it. You know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Jimmy Johnson used to say, you know, they criticized him
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: saying it's it's draft Day, not trade day, and Jimmy
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: Johnson would laugh about it, and you know, him and
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Belichick would have a lot of conversations and they you know,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: obviously Dallas has that famous trade that they rebuilt their
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: entire team with the Herschel Walker move that was all
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: draft picks, really yep. And you know Bill did a
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: lot of the same stuff. But just like the Super
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Bowl champs, and you come into the draft, you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: three months later, two months later, with two first round picks,
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: one of which ends up tearing his ACL and doesn't
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: do anything for you, and it doesn't matter because you
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: got Will Fork who was a really good player and
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: contributed right away, and you had such a good team.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: You end up acquiring again on draft Day, Corey Dillon,
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: which is you know, it's almost like a draft pick
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: because of the way it all came down.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: I would say too, when you're living right and you're
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: making these moves and they're all working out.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, something you pointed out too in the podcast that
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I was going through it where that you also had,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: you know, the rising tide raises all ships. You had
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: younger players who were a Sante Samuel, You're not a
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: highly drafted guy, but surrounded by greatness and he kind
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: of gets swept up in it and now he starts
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: to play really well, make some key plays during that season.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: It's a you know, you just you feel the difference
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: between when a team has that kind of energy, which
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: clearly Eagles and you know other teams have right now,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: that the Patriots had back then that you know, sometimes
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: those moves like just because the culture, it would lift
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: guys up and guys would perform, you know, suddenly would
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: improve and contribute. And there just hasn't been enough of
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: that around here. I think that's something that's that's missing
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: that they're trying to get back to to establish that
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: to you know, try to get more of those draft
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: picks to develop.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but it was, you know what it
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: was a long time coming. It just didn't happen overnight.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: It started in the in the nineties. You know, some
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: of the foundation of that defense in particular, happened in
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: the nineties.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Vin Terry Bruce Ki Lawyer mcguinnis McGuinness. Yeah, you know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: it's Teddy Johnson another one. And you know, it's just
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: it's funny. Teams get on heaters, like Paul said, you
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: get you know, the Roman Fifers of the world and
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: the Mike Frables, and you sign these guys who are
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: more that second option, as you said Fred earlier, to
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: sign a bunch of guys who are good and they
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: all kind of work out, and not only do they
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: work out, some of them become, you know, Patriots Hall
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: of famers.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: Let's mean you you went fifteen years with a first
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: round pick that was really good every you know, every time,
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: like it was like ninety plus percent. You know, it's
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: a hit rate. Now you don't do that, and it
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: was a long time. It wasn't yet.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: I used to argue with Andy, Yeah, when I used
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: to call him a very good drafter, and Ady would
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: take exception to the very part, right, you know, imagine
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: that I was on fellow chick, very very very.
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: First round pick.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: You always hit it down the fairway for years, like
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: you might for a long time.
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: It might not have been a game changer, but it was.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Like Ben Watson was just you know, he was a
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: good player. You know, I wouldn't call it home. But
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: you're also picking you know between twenty five and thirty.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Two, right right right, essentially a second you know, good blocker.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Lawrence Maroney, the.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Lawrence Maloney was the first one that kind of missed
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: Brandon Maryweather Yeah, you know Merriweather.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but even still kind of had the sony Michelle
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: saying where next year seven came through in some big
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: games and you know, helped you win some playoff games,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: didn't get you over the hump.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Maroni was huge in the seven playoffs, in the two
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: games to get there, which were closer than people remember
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: the Jacksonville in Chargers games yep. And then you know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: obviously nothing worked in the offense on offense in the
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: It's so funny that Jacksonville and then Chargers with like
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Philip Rivers playing on No. A cl right, and who
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: knows what was wrong with La Dania Tomins.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: Gates, No Tomlinson on a quarterback on a towny a Celatriots.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Those were the days.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Those are the days, all right? A five five five
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: hundred is the tpx hutline. It's eight five to five
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: pass five hundred. Podcasts at Patriots dot com is the
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: email address? What else? Anything else that we need to
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: touch on?
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: But you had thoughts on the Basketball All Star Game.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Geez, he's freaking in.
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: Hot, no.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Magneuse.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: When you know, when things are new, I like to
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: give them a shot just so I can have an
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: informed opinion on it. And so I wanted to see
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: how this new format was going to work out. And
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: it wasn't good. It was it was they still didn't try.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: I made the example, like how many turnovers does Steph
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Curry have in a normal game? Like hardly any? Right,
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: he had like ten, He's just throwing the ball, he's
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: taking half court shots. Guys aren't playing defense. It's they
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: they're still not trying. They're still not trying. So it
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: just wasn't good. And you know, the format now is
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: the first team to forty points, but they're taking breaks
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: in between and the players are getting aggravated on the
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: side like, can we just finish this game? It's just
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the answer is, but they haven't
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: found it yet.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: It seems like they're trying, like they're.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: That's why I invested the time.
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: I watched the whole night.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: I would just do what the hockey does and go
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: with the US for the world. I mean, it won't
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: be like the hockey because hockey is just different, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: they'll they'll treat it. Hockey is going to treat it
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: more seriously than any of the other sports when they
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: do that. But there's enough good players, international players now
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: that you can have a good team, and I don't
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: I don't think that the players would go into it
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: and just say I don't care if we win or not.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: I think there would be it might not be like
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: playoff intensity better be better than the typical.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: The only difference is, like what hockey is doing, it's
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: you are still playing for your country. US versus the
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: world is us versus everybody you know lumped together in
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: one team. And so I don't know if the pride
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: would be there for the world team because who am
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: I playing for the world? You know, I'm not playing
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: for my country. They all hate us so they would guess,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: you know, but it would be better if somehow you
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: could have, you know, a team from Serbia, a team from.
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's not enough of that. I know, there is
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: the individual countries. I don't think there's enough from any
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: one country right to do it. And maybe if you
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: did it, like I don't know, Like like the gold
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: medal game with France was pretty intense.
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: It was intense, so it wasn't I mean, you never
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: felt like the US was going to lose.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: You didn't know. I watched a different game because I
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: saw Steph Curry go absolutely out of his mind in
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: the last three minutes of the game when that was
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: the different The game was hanging in the balance. It
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: was a two point game, but.
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: That was always going to happen.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, I I never read when I'm no longer
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: working here and I'm allowed to bet, I'm going to
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: talk to Evan and as.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: I had way more attention in the semi final game
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: they actually almost lost.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: They should have lost a semi five. Yeah, but I'm
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: just talking about the intensity level of the lat that
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: that France game, and France is not as talented, but
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: they were both going at each other. Yeah, but sell
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: he played out of his mind that death.
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: Yea in that game, played a whole tournament.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think the World Team is the best
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: way to do it. World versus United States. I don't
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: know if there will be an intense level to it,
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: but there is like a somewhat little rivalry brewing between
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: the fact that everybody thinks that the word the international
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: players are now better than the United States.
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: You know, players from well, there's just.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Not enough of them. They are some of the best
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: players in the NBA are international players.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: Not all of the bench players on the in the
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: on the World team would be true all stars. But
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: they could make a team that you reconize.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you could get eight twelve guys.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you'd have you know, guys like Jamal Murray would
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: be coming off the bench. You know, Bogdan bang Yanovitch
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: would be coming off the bench. Yeah, like they they
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: could make an NBA team out of it. But they're
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: starting five would be they're starting five, I think would
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: be better.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: He's telling me about this guy who's going to be
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: the MVP. It's like or something.
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: I think they're starting five would be better?
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: What about No, I was gonna say like the top
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: college players.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: Well they do that with the select team and it's
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: always like Cooper Flag will go off and everybody else
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: doesn't belong on the court. But you know, Cooper Flag
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: was like he could have potentially done like what Anthony
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: Davis did and been on USA this past time, you know,
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: as like the twelfth guy.
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: On the team.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: But I think the World team could potentially put together
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: a good team. I just don't I don't know if
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: they would care. I don't know if they would care.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: And that's all that matters, is if they care or.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Not about like two on two basketball, like at the beach,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Like that's the that's the.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: I would say the best thing that I would want
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: to see at the All Star Game, which would probably
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: happen on Saturday night, is one on one. I think
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: that that would be fantastic.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: So the women did a one on one thing and
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: it got a little attention, and then you know, I
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: think Giannis had said that he'd be interested in doing that.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: So that's the key is if you can get the
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: stars to want to do it because they won't want
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: to lose one on one, You're gonna try because you
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: don't want to be in baddle. That's true, But how
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: about thinking out of the box double that said, I
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: hate one on one double the side of the court
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: and have ten on ten, So now you really have strategy.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Could there be like a five point.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: With the I just think one on one?
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: First of all, we all grew up playing one on
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: one against our friends, and so there's like that element
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: of it, which is cool, but like.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: It's boring to watch.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: I think it's boring.
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: One on one King of the Court like style is
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: a lot of fun, and like they like they do
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: that in these like Team USA practices and stuff, and
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: like there's that old video of KG just like going
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: up and down the court and he's just beating everybody
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: in his way, and he goes like through like the
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: entire Team USA roster and beats every single one of
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: them in one on one. Like if you know someone
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: did that in an All Star setting, I think it
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: would be cool. It does sound like the Dunk Contest
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: like that some of the guys, you know, obviously they're
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: trying to get like John Ant and those guys to
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: actually participate, and they were on Twitter after the Dunk Contest.
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: Being like, we need to beat this this G league.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Kid, but he's unbelievable.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: He's jumping over cars, but that was way better than
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Wake Griffin's jumping over.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, he just did a kid. I think
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: this guy had the biggest sit in.
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: Well he dumped over the whole car in size.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Cadillac.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, So I do think next year's dunk
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: contests could have some some bigger names. It sounds like
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: these the like stars are starting to be like, we're
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: really letting or we're letting this this G League kid
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: steal the show, like.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: You know, maybe not gonna beat them.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Well, they're gonna have to. They're gonna have to do something.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Because I mentioned this yesterday on my show because it
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: was actually my show.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah you you co hosted.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: When have you ever remember NHL going against the NBA
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: and anything in the NHL winning killing And the NHL
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: killed them with that US Canada game Saturday night. And
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: I don't know what the numbers are because I don't
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: believe the numbers, as you know, but I'm just talking
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: about interests. No one was talking about your thing right
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: first to forty, which I actually kind of liked the
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: idea of that that rather than a time game. But
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: everybody was talking about I mean Twitter, Oh yeah, my
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: Twitter was blowing up. I don't know if you well
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: to be the three fights and nine seconds, My Twitter.
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: Was blown not exactly apples.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: No, but it's I mean, it's an exhibition supposed to
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: be competition.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: This is the first time that they've had international hockey
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: in like a decade, and like they and they weren't
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: in the last Olympics. The NHL players so like this
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: this one, Like you know, Matthew Chuck's talking about how
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: he's waited nine years to like play in a USA tournament. Yeah, so, like,
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: I think that's a little bit it's a little bit different.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying the NHL got more attention absolutely than
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: the NBA, and that never I cannot recall that happening
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: a single time in my life.
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: Nope, No, that's fair.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: So podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: We've got a combine on the table, we got free
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: agency on the table, NBA All Star, four Nations, whatever
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: you want to talk about, it's all on the table.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: So let's see James Pettigrew the most interesting Patriots fan
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: in the world, rights in.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: About the game, Mike, I think we got it right.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: The most interesting Patriots fan in the world.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Okayeh, make it a three verse three round robin contest.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Players can choose their own teams. Give the winning team
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: fifteen million bucks.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: That's what it would take.
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: They've tried cash purse, They've tripped. These guys make so much.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Money they don't care.
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: Like they're making sixty million dollars a year, they just
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: don't care.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is. It's a bum What if it's
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: a lot of money to your favorite charity, So if
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: you lose, you're letting down care the kids.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: You know, Kobe had the thing. I know this made
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: the again yesterday. But when Kobe, you know, was really
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: bummed out about the lack of competitiveness in the All
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: Star Game, this is years ago, and he just said,
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: you know, like these guys treat pickup games at UCLA
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: like it's life or death. Why can't they do that
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: for one one day? Yeah, there's got to be some
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: way to incentivize them to try. Yeah, and I don't
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: know what it is. I don't know what the perfect
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: scenario is, but I haven't heard anything that's better than
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: setting up some facacta tournament US versus the world.
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, I was saying to Fred earlier though, like
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: I watching the All Star Game was like a religion
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: in my house, Like I watched it every single year.
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: They never tried until like the very end of the game,
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: like they.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Would, oh, this is not a new phenomenon.
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: They would always have like the Harlem globe Trotter's style
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: game for like three and a half quarters, and then
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: if the game was closed with like four or five.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Minutes ago, they would say, we might as well win it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they put their best five on. Each team will
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: go on the floor, and they play a real game
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: for like.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: Someone might actually commit a foul.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah. David Wisconsin writes saying if both Carter
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: and Hunter are available at number four and the Patriots
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: pass on both, how angry or disappointed will you be?
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: Not a scenario I'm considered.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: I'd be angry if they passed on both of those.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: God, yeah, yeah, I'd be really I can't imagine that happened.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: I don't think I would resign like I did with
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: Richard Seymour, but I would be pretty angry.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: We talked about this earlier, but Brandon and Maine wants
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: to know who we feel are the blue chip prospects.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Like we said this too, it's Travis Hunter, and it's
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: that seems to be the Carter right and.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when they start to get into projections, you know,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: it's guys that have Dwartz or you know, certain things
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: you got to get around, or guys are young and raw.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I think that's a common theme with.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: Some of you guys. You know, we talked about tight
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: ends a little bit. You guys have any concerns about
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Tyler Warren or the slow? Am I the only one
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: that doesn't like him as much as everybody else?
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: I haven't really allowed myself.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Fine, I've been the lone wolf a lot.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't. I look at him as the one
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: of the donut guys, one of the guys that's going
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: to go between four and twenty five, and I feel
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: like that's the spot where they're probably not.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: I really haven't.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: I really like him. I think he's a really good player.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: I think he's got some versatility. I'm not sure he's
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: at that level that people say, but I'm by no
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: means my expert ten years in college.
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: I think it's a different know we're talking about about
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: him in Loveland earlier. It's it's a flavor thing, like
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: he's not he's not overly explosive, Like he's not a
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: field stretcher from that position. He's not a top end
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: speed guy. He's got some berth through the top of
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: routes and with the ball in his hands, but he's
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: just not a I wouldn't say his play speed like
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: pops off the tape at you. But he's so well rounded,
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: like he's he's so he's versatile, he can block from everywhere,
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: like he's.
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: Just he's zeroed prototypical.
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: Why tight ends like that? If they were to like
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: put a definition next to it, it would be a
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: prospect night Like Tyler wat it's.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: So funny, And I think Tyler Warren falls into this
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: category for me. So many of these tight ends once
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: they get the ball in the hands that are already
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: like falling forward and when like like Gronk would be
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: an exception, like when he get the ball is his
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: he's trying to like make a guy miss. And a
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: lot of these tight ends, even like kind of the
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: really good ones, like they're already falling forward as the
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: guy comes to them. It's like almost like they want
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: to protect their legs. It's it's so weird. Have you
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: noticed that, Like Fourier was the trip a lot, Well, no,
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: but he but he was like the you know, the
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: leader of the pack with this, he looked like a
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: deer just born something.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: When he had made a mistake of teasing him about
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: that once, he got really mad.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: But even Kelsey now like in the when he was younger,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: he didn't do this, but now like when when contacts coming,
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: like K'll go cover up and like start to lean
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: forward before a guy even hits him, you know. And
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: it just seems a weird thing about tight ends. There's
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: very few of them that actually try to like expose
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: himself and try to make a guy miss. Kind of
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: see it like two buckets and I would put Tyler
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Warren in a category. He doesn't try to make guys miss.
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: He's like I'm gonna drag three people. He's not an
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: elusive open field runner, but when he gets up to
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: a top speed, he can he can move for his
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: size and then it's gonna take a village to put
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: him down because he's so big.
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: But yeah, he's not an elusive runner.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: I'd agree, Ford and Savannah. Welcome back, Fred, Thank you, Evan.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: I'm with you one hundred percent on the disrespect of
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: the Patriots and the Hall of Fame. Adams should become
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: truly famous by refusing the Hall of Fame jacket when
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: he finally gets it, or Brady could do the same
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: until he's deserving. Teammates get theirs, and they go in
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: as a team, just as they left the tunnel in
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: the first super Bowl of The Dynasty. One and lastly, Mike,
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: did you get your hair cut sport clips? Because I did?
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: You know, it looks very similar. The hairdresser asked me
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: if I wanted a number two. I said, I don't
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: know what that is, but sure now I look similar
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: to you. It's definitely too short in my head, looks
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: good in you though.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: I went to Evans Place. Actually you went to right here.
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: Tomorrow.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: I went there, right down the street.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: I just thought the guy was gonna say I went
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: in and asked for the deuce.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Well I did, I actually deuce. I knew what the
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: two was, but I just wanted to get rid of it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: Shortened up.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: It'll come back. I don't worry. It's a really bad
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: still got a really bad haircut last time they needed.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Options Alex and Raleigh fred I don't know what happened
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: on vacation, but you not wanting to get into an
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: argument with Paul is just Unamerican to fight the man.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Give him what he wants. But we've had the discussion before,
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: so it wasn't I didn't want to quite disconcerting.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: It took me. It took me aback.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: Onto the team. Uh, this team needs to protect Drake
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: and give them weapons. While our defense was abysmo beyond
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: what I pictured happening. I do think they broke under
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: the pressure of having to play perfect while the offense
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: did very little to help. I understand getting the best
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: player available on any side of the ball. I just
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: feel like I haven't seen a good offense in so
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: long on the Patriots since Brady left. And yes, Paul
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Brady is the main factor in all of it. I agree.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think good defense was as bad as the offense.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't blame the offense for the defense.
• 49:34
  Speaker 8: This past year.
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: I'd agree with that, but I do think there's a
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: path to a lot of the individual players having bounced
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: back years Like I don't think Kyle dugger will be.
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: As bad as he was at times last year.
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: You would like to hope that you have some guys
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: like ben Lee Pepper's bar more like maybe those guys
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: are available, sure, but yeah, that's possible. The team that
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: they put on the field last year was just as
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: bad as the off.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Absolutely when would can I ask you guys the timing question,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: like if they were going to start jettisoning some of
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: these guys or you know, moving on from contracts, like
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: when would that start to happen? Would that be now
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: or would that would they wait till free agency? Like
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know what. When do you think they would
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: start cleaning house if they were starting to get rid
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: of some of these guys trim the fat?
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: Probably next month.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Like you get maybe at the combine, you put some
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: feelers out of the.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Who's available, so you see what is in your you know,
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: in your future when your plans. Yeah, and then you know,
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: the league year starts usually around what the twelfth thirteen.
• 50:35
  Speaker 8: Tenth was the legal tampering period.
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but when you have to actually be compliant.
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: Is I think it's I think it's the tenth and
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: the twelfth.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: Okay, So if you have any moves like that that
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: you need to move. You can have your cap casualties
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: and move on.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean clobally surprised that we haven't seen much.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: No, I know, I mean I'm not surprised, but I'm
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: I'm curious. I'm just curious what they're going to do.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: And it's it's you know, there there really haven't done much.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, just you know, the Jeremiah Farms of it all.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: I go by the Bill Belichick philosophy of don't make
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: a decision until you have to, like, you know, like
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: see what happens. But what if you want to then
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: then the right time you do.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: Know, I'm just saying, like, if you decided that Mike
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: do show is not in our plans regardless under any situation.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: So well, sometimes you do that, you know, like for
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: a veteran, just to give them an early start on things.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: It's a courtesy. But if you don't have to make
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: a decision on a player right away, why do it.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't suggest them making a decision on someone that
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: they're not sure about and saying.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: If they sure, but if they well, but what about.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: I haven't seen a lot of activity around the league.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's common.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: But what about like, you know, Okay, so we know
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: we're going to get rid of player A, but you know,
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: maybe another team would be interested in them and having
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: them on our roster.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: Around the league. Yeah, you know, Debo, Miles Garrett, right,
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: Cooper Cup Yep, you know, maybe to a lesser extend
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: my dream of Micah Parsons.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: You know what was one other piece of news we
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: didn't talk about. It was Nick Keyley being hired by Houston,
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: which I think is an interesting It'll be interesting comp
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: with Josh and Drake and Nick Keyley as a new OC.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: You know, with Stroud down there be interesting to see
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: how that goes.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, see if we're one that got away.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if he's really got the juice, I mean, they
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: seemed very high on him.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: If there was luck that he turned them down last year?
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Or misfortune?
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Travis in West Virginia. I have a question mostly for Paul.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you, but if the two thousand
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: and four Patriots were the best Patriots team ever and
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: Donovan mcdahm was a stiff as you call him, then
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: why was the final score so close? Why the Patriots
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: never blew anybody out in the Super Bowl, says always
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: been a mystery to me.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: I think they kind of low key one night, you know,
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: I never felt like Evan says that he never had
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: any fear of losing the game against France. I never
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: had any fear of losing. That's exactly. I had fear
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: going to Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship game, and I
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: know what the score ended up being, but that game,
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: to me was the Super Bowl. I never had any fear.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: I thought that the Patriots did not play particularly well
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: in the first half of that game. The second half
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: they asserted their dominance. They got a ten point lead
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: with whatever it was three minutes left. Ye Eagles got
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: to know by the way touchdown at the end.
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: It's a perfect comparison exactly how I never felt that
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: game was in doubt.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't feel fear it myself.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah you were thinking you were at that one.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: Oh God, yeah, come on, I wasn't.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Oh that was the one Pop didn't get to go to.
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: The only other Patriots team.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: I think he was just having a kid.
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: Based on what happened, it sounds like I lucked out.
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: The twenty fourteen team, I feel like is always.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Fourteen team is in the conversation.
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: Yes, for like my you know, I was pretty young
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: for the first part of the dynasty, so like that
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: was at the point where I actually knew what I
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: was watching when I was watching football, and the fourteen team,
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: I would say, is like our favorite out of like
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: you know that.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Me too, to be honest, me too. Yeah. I mean
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: I just as much as I was like a Patriots
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: fan for the first three it was like I was
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: super invested starting two thousand and six in every game
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: and every twist and turn and every playoff loss just
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: was an absolute dagger in my heart. And that's why
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: fourteen to me is always how Fred reallyted seventy sixteen. Yeah,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: with the Jets on the Patriot.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: Good my oh.
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: I just remember when they do the when you watch
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: the fourteen Super Bowl back, which I've I've done probably
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: a thousand times, and they do the intros of like,
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: you know, offense, defense, and they just they're doing the
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: Patriots intros and it's like like every player is like,
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: you know, it's Brady, it's Gronk, it's Edelman. It's like
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: even the offensive line is loaded, like You're just like, man,
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: this team just had no holes, like they were loaded
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: everywhere then like they're you know, Malcolm Butler is like
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: a fifth string corner, like you know, it's just they
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: had depth on defense, like crazy, that team was really good.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: I mean Dorel Reeves comes here for one year and
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: wins a championship. Yeah, like okay, that worked.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I always have that on the chests.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, we'll take a break when we come back.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: More calls and emails here on Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 15: It's time for another episode of Patch from the Past
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  Speaker 15: podcast Matt Smith.
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  Speaker 5: Along with Paul Rillo.
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  Speaker 12: Please to be joined by number twenty eight. Can you
• 57:12
  Speaker 12: believe that number twenty eight? It is great to see
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  Speaker 12: Corey dyllon here.
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  Speaker 16: Corey, thanks for joining us, man, thanks for having me
• 57:19
  Speaker 16: you you know you start the old five season looking
• 57:22
  Speaker 16: you know, to win three in a row for a
• 57:23
  Speaker 16: three peat obviously hasn't been done.
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Kansas City is going to try to do it
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: this year.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: It ain't gonna happen.
• 57:30
  Speaker 12: Why Why because it's never happened.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: It's never happened. I don't. Everybody's shooting for you.
• 57:41
  Speaker 15: You since did you get that? Did you get a
• 57:43
  Speaker 15: sense that you're getting everybody's best shot?
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: You know? Absolutely absolutely? I think the four we were
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: getting everybody's best shot. Honestly, everybody's best shot. And I
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: think I think the consensus around the the league and
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: to most like you know what, we're tired of seeing
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: them win anyway. So I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: teams are gearing up. They're gonna give Kansas City all
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: they can handle. I don't, I don't see I don't
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: see them three p at all.
• 58:22
  Speaker 15: Where did you see the pressures? Besides getting everybody's best shot?
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Too?
• 58:26
  Speaker 12: Four was magical.
• 58:28
  Speaker 15: Nothing went wrong that year, and so you can't just
• 58:32
  Speaker 15: roll the balls back out again in O five. You gotta,
• 58:35
  Speaker 15: like Bill used to say, it's a new year, you
• 58:37
  Speaker 15: got to put in the work and everything like that.
• 58:38
  Speaker 15: Where did you see that things went wrong in O five.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot of injuries. I mean
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I missed games that that that that year. So yeah,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: I mean you gotta have you gotta have some luck
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: to complete the mission of winning a Super Bowl man
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: and that and number one, stay and healthy is key. Uh,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I don't. I wasn't healthy. A lot of other players
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: that were down. So we kind of we kind of
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: struggled that year. We still we still made it to
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. I think we went up to Denver. We
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: lost to Denver. Should should which I thought we had
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: that we we would have seen Pittsburgh again and oh
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: what a feeling that would have been. That would have
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: been another good one. And I think, I don't know,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: I think Pittsburgh did they win it that year?
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we Honestly, I'm sitting here, I'm thinking, damn, I
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: could be had. I could have to two rings man,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know, just from Afar, I would say,
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: you guys look like you're a little lot of guests
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: that too. In Denver, you know, a tough place to play,
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: no mile high. And I think all the sort of
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: attrition of the long playoff runs, Yeah, I think caught
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: up to you. But you want to say, you could
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: have had two forward to six and you got a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: twenty one to three lead late in the second quarter
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: of the AFC Championship game.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, could it?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: I think we might have ruined it for him.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that was a different year though, Core They drafted
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 12: back in the first round. Yeah, what you're thinking when
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 12: you saw that happen?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Nothing like? Okay, I mean you still got to come
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: in here and play, like you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: just because you were drafted doesn't mean it doesn't mean anything.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: A great player told me this. It doesn't matter what
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: round you're drafted. It matters what you do when you
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: get there. That's a great boomer of science. And so
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: you gotta still come in here and play. And then
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: at the at the end of the day, what's the
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: worst thing going to happen? Somebody get cut? I mean,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not getting cut, So I'm not worried about that
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: aspect of it. So what it boiled down to two
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: was and you know what, Hey, we're gonna mix it up.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Hey we split carries, and that's fine with me. I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: never griped about that whatsoever. I kind of thought of
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: it as hell, I need a break too. Sometimes maybe
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: this could that part as well, that part as well.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: I never took it as a as a negative so
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: and then on top of that, Man, we embrace guys
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: that's coming in here that can help you win. Who
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't want that? So I never looked at it in
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: a negative light. I looked at it as a another
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: teammate here to help us win. And like you said, Man,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: we get up there, we get up there to Andy
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Man and and I'm thinking, man, were going back, and
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: then I don't know what happened, Man, many happened that
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: big head Fela with the work and pulled a number
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: on us. Man.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: And I didn't mean to gloss over one of the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: more underrated playoff victories of the dynasty. And that's the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: week before in San Diego.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Oh Man, I think I think Ladani is still mad
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: about that. When you're question we went to win that game,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Nope at all. And I think they were the favorites
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: to win at all.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 12: They were fortune and too.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so and actually going up to San Diego
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: and playing one hell of a team. Man, that team
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: was good on defense, good on offense, and we were
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: in a slugfest all four quarters and they actually go
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: up there and come out with the win. Was was special.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: That was a good win for us.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 15: I don't want to trivialize it, because I think when
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 15: you say that you're a part of a trivia question, it.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 12: Trivializes the accomplishment. But I do Paul had mentioned this earlier.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 15: I don't know how many Patriot fans right off the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 15: top of the head go, oh, single season record rushing record,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 15: Corey Dillon sixteen hundred yards. That's a hell of an
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 15: accomplishment and one you must be very proud of to
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 15: see that record still stands today.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I'm proud, man. I'm just proud to be a part
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: of the history here. Man, That's what I'm proud of. Yeah.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I always got the attitude of records are meant to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: be broken, which they they are. Some young step would
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: come come along in here and eclipsed that. But you
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: know what, I'm I'm a cherish it since I got
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: it now, you know. So it was great, man. It's
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: a reflection on that year, who I played with, the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: people who was around the organization, and to cap that
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: that great season of rushing off with a super Bowl. Man,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: that's that's everything. That's something I never forget, never forget.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, as those six you know, obviously a very disappointing
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: we just talked about it. Very disappointing end. Did you
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: sort of have an idea in your mind of what
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: the future was going to hold for you?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, man, I I just had enough, I
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: think at that point, you know, like, yeah, I'm getting older.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I was like thirty two, man, I was, I was.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: I was in my late early thirties, I mean, and
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, man, I already gave you so much to
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: this game, I mean, and in my mind, what more
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: can I do? Or what more do I want to do?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: You know? And at that time, some of the older
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: guys that hang around, you know, catch bad, bad injuries,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: you know. So and the style of football I like
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: to play, yeah, that was coming. That was coming. So
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: I just thought to myself, like, man, this might be
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: the best time to shut it down and go figure
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: out something else to do with your life.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 12: Which is, what what are you up to these days?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 12: I think fans would want to know.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Man, I'm trying to fix this hook I got in
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: golf with the driver. Hey, I get a hold of it.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, for the most part, I'm putting it out
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: there three hundred plus. But sometimes I have these snap
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: hook So that's that's the thing on my agenda lately.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: It's fixing that hook. Yeah. And then other than that, man,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just living the easy life, man, and
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: just get my kids through through school and things like that.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Just a normal, normal life.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 12: That's the way it should be, man, Yeah, that's the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 12: way it should.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: And now great moments in.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: History.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: I was told that I said carry on wrong. I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: said carry on. It's carry on one word, like like
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: the bag. It's a carry on, not.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: Carry on, cape calm and carry on. It's the action
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: to the read before we get in trouble.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, only liquid's allowed, blood, sweat, and tears. Catch carry
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: on December thirteenth, only on Netflix.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: Okay, you know these things intrigued me. Yeah, so I
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: carry on that you would carry on to an airplane
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: is pronounced differently than carry on.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, carry on, So my carry on I.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: Don't see carry on. I carry on my bring your
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: carry on.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 8: I feel like carry on.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: I feel thank you.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: What I'm saying you.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: Just said was wrong. But Paul, you just said that's
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: not you didn't use it as a now use it
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: as a verb. You said, I carry on my bag.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: That's not what it is. It's a carry on my back.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: It's my carry on. It's not my carry on. It's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: it's my carry on, my carry on back, my carry
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: on back.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: But but when you say, but when you say carry on,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not changing carry on, carry on, carry on, carry
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: on the conversation.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: It's my carry on. It's I'm saying it the exact putting.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: The carrier, Paul, It's different, Larry listen, carry listen, carry on.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: Carry You put the emphasis on on when it's a verb.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, on, I don't, but you do.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: You just don't. You want to admit it, but you do.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: You're just being the whole thing.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: I got that hood I mean, you've got that hood shirt.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: And that's why you're being stubborn.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: That's why it's getting under your skin.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 12: That's another great moment.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: All right back here.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: Did you see carry on?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: I did not see it.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: Carry on?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: We watched it, yeah, yeah, yeah, not great, No, not great, not.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: Great, Yeah, it was worth a watch.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: Speaking of not great, I watched that Saturday Night Live special.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: Really yeah, not great, No, not really funny. No, I'm
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: talking about this like the Sunday.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: Night the two and a half hour I heard a
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: half hour I have heard that.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: The music one that I think was on Friday Night
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: I haven't was excellent. Now it's not really for me, yeah,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: but if you're a music fan, you know, like a
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: live music kind of fan, like I heard, it was outstanding.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: Matt Smith thought it was ridiculous. But man's a huge live.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: Huge huge you can't understand, particularly if he gets to
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: watch it outdoors.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: So it wasn't like recapping all the best before in
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: the past.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: There is one of those. That's what I was gonna
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: ask Paul, because I think there was a concert and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if there's an actual video of the concert.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: But then there's also a special that I watched that
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: was great Fred that was about the history of the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: music on Saturday Night Live, and it was really well done.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that one.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: Because the great thing about Sura Night Live was well,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it was great depending on your taste,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: but the way it started it was always bands you
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: never heard of in the early days. It was never
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: top line bands. It was like they had b fifty
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: twos before anybody who b fifty twos.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: Was rock lobster.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: And then I think as it as it. You know,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: in the later years they had more headline you know, acts,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: but it was always like obscure bands that were just
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: starting out.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: They still introduced me to a couple of bands. I
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: would say, like, I mean they have I think now
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: they get hot artists and you know, people that are
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: right breaking right now.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: I would say, yeah, now that's like in the moment
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: right now. Yeah, you know, they'll get like Sabrina Carpenter,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: like as she's on the Shabootz.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: Like, wasn't white stripes like on Saturday Night Live, you
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: know when they were still starting out.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: Yep, they were just blue stripes.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Blue again.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: But the you know, I I had high expectations because
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: I used to love Saturday Night Live, but it they
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: overthought it, and so I think they had the characters
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: they decided to bring back and do in the moment skeits,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: skits and not like like Debbie Downer, really we're gonna
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: bring her back.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: That's there was too many. I think it was it
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: was hard because there was too many.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: People that you had to incorporate.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I could have. I think it would have just
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: been fine if they just went with cast members. Yeah,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: but I agree it wasn't I didn't watch all of
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: it on Sunday night. I kept putting it on and uh,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: the Eddie Murphy thing I thought was hilarious when he
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: did Tracy Morgan that.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: Was that was that? But what but they screwed that
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: segment up. They they veered away from the actual spirit
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: of the segment and they got into I forget how
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: they ended it up. But if they just stuck to
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: how that segment was, it would have been great, because
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: I agree Eddie Murphy did unbelievable. Meanwhile, Tracy Morgan's right next.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: Sitting right there, and I do think that's an underrated
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you ever watch it. Sometimes I
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: got on these YouTube rabbit holes and I find these various.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: Thestern games from the seventies.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: Well that's generally how I start.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: You hear it from.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: You watched some of you grind some filbal NASA.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: You're watching Billy Jaffey breaking down Adam Gotta Patrick in
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: the eighteen you know, uh them pot final look at that.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: Of course, what was.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: I Celebrities impersonating other celebrities. There's some really like that.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: Eddie Murphy's Tracy Mos was next level. That was funny.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: And there's some of those satting like like Kate McKinnon
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: does some really good ones. You can get some some
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: funny stuf off out of that, but just.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: Not Kate McKinnon's overrated.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: There weren't enough of those.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: I like Kate m overrated. I like we got Sally
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: O'Malley out for the fiftieth. You know, she kicks I
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: kick stretch. I like that just a touch. I agree, though,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: I think there were They brought so many people back
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: and everyone I remember think Tina Fey was like, I'm
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: a writer this week, So you know that there were
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: so many writers coming back and a lot of egos
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: and yeah, you're probably going to get something.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: Some of the best parts that started your live where
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: the commercial takeoffs, and the way they handled that was
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: to give you like three or four seconds of the
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: best one, so it was like a quick montage. They
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: didn't do any new ones.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a little disappointed with the Samberg Lonely
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: Island digital short they did that wasn't very.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: Like the Anxiety. Yeah, that was it was. Yeah, it
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: was that. Some of the song and dance numbers were
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: like why did they have to do those? Like the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: wedding one do Mando? Yeah, it was just not funny,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: not funny. I want to laugh, be funny.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: I want to laugh. Make me laugh.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: Some of the four people are you know, you know
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: you can't do anything about that.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: Do you see though, Bill Murray coming back to in
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: the top ten lists or the top that was that
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: wasty sketch. He's kind of funny, a good delivery.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought that was good, but not great. That
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: was but I liked I liked that. I liked that
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: they did that.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: When they did the montage of the physical comedy, I
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: laughed at that, like seeing Chris Farley smash you know,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: that made me laugh, even though it was just again
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: a montage of people falling all over the place.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: What do you think happens when Lauren Michaels goes away?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just crazy that he's been running the
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: show for for fifty years. I mean it's kind of
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: like you Fred, I mean, you know the weird the
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: Weird Year. Yeah, so one year he went away a
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: little bit and then came back. But I mean, he's
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: just been such an institution in that place. I can't
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: imagine it's ever going to be the same.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: A lot of people thought their best moment was the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: Adam Sandler song I don't know if you.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think I got through that.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: It was really good. It was really so.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: He performed an original song.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, an original song about Saturday Night Live. Yeah, tear
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: it up during it, Yeah, Sandman, he was good that.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: I haven't seen that. We make it on my Twitter feed.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: It's like three hours long.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, but I'm surpris like I used to like
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: the Anie Murphy thing. I didn't see live, man. I
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: saw it on on on the Twitter machine we.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: Do usually do. We watched through the news and then
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: kind of.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what they made a joke about that. They
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: had a fake commercial about stuff that puts you to sleep.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: Nothing puts you to sleep more than the skit after
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: the news on Saturday Night Live. Yeah, which is true.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: You start falling asleep after the news.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's cool though. My kids have kind of developed
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: a little bit of appreciation for us and now, and
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: like I used to VCR tape it like I would.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: That was what, like I think I learned to use
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: my VCR like the time it you know, when you
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: had to like all right on it eleven twenty five
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: and then out at like one oh five and you know,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: get up and watch it. So it's uh, that's crazy.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: It's been around this long.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: Love it all right?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: Dan and Lynch has issue with Evan. He says, Evan,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: I've heard you comment a few times recently about Tyler
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: Warren's age and how he will be old for rookie.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: According to Wikipedia, he's twenty two years old, won't turn
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: twenty three until after the draft, which is pretty average
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: for a standard graduating senior. Am I missing something?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 8: I believe he's gonna be a twenty four year old rookie.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: This is why a Wikipedia isn't coorrect. You need to
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: go in.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 8: But regardless, yeah, you know, he's not ancient, Like he's.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: Not what you were being hyperbolic when you talked about
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: ten years in college. Oh yeah, he.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: Just because I feel like he's just been on the
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: radar for a long time.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah he's not.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: No, he's not thirty, but he's he's going to be
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: like a twenty three or twenty four year old rookie.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: And you just you know, we don't have to go
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 6: down the whole age thing, but it's just usually at
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: that point you're you're capped like that, you're kind of
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: you're at the point of this is who you're going
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: to sort of be as.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: And that's part of like when people talk about age,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: I think the perception from fans is, well, what's the
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: big deal, He's still going to be ten twelve years
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: in the league. Wouldn't you want that? That's not necessarily
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: what the fear about the age is is the development,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: like how much better can he get? Yeah, And to
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: Evan's point, I think a lot of scouts would look
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: at a guy that's twenty four and say, okay, now,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels again, pretty good, right.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 6: I would just argue that Jayden Daniels didn't get better,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: he was just always really darn good. I think that's
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: I agree with Paul that I think that's one of
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: the biggest misconceptions is people think it's about career longevity
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: and like how many contracts. It's really more about the
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: fact that you're the younger. Breakout guys tend to be
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: like the great athletes, right, Like you know, Jamar Chase,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: Christian Gonzalez was a young breakout guy. Drake was a
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: young breakout guy. Like those guys tend to be the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: ones that have truly special athleticism, Travis Hunter. You know,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: like if you wait Lebron James until sure, if you
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: wait till you're a fifth year senior, and now all
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 6: of a sudden, you're you know, you look like a
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: man amongst boys, Well, you kind of are as.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: Dan also says I'm all about sticking at number four
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: and taking Will Campbell regardless of his arm length. But
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: if we trade down a few spots, I think Warren
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: might be a great fit for the Patriots offense, like
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: a good tight ends a good fit for any offense.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: Joel and Ottawa. I'm bracing myself for a free agent letdown.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: I think they'll be active, but it's going to be
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: middle class heavy. I do believe the money is going
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: to be spent in the trenches and not the skilled positions.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: My belief is Drake is good enough to make a
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: wide receiver better with more time spent in the pocket,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: and therefore money on Higgins or Godwin won't be wouldn't
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: be well spent.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a balance. I definitely default more towards
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: finding guys that are going to be a part of this,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: but I also think that you need an injection of
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: a little bit of leadership, a little bit of you know,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: outside presence. Not guys who are going to preach how
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: we did things when the Patriot Way went here, but
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: guys who know how to go about their business and
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: guys who can set a tone. And I think that's
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: part of the appeal for me with some of these
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: veteran wide receivers, like a Godwin, just get that room
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: in order, you know, get start to establish a little
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: bit of consistency there and leadership, and you know, hopefully
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: you also bring in another rookie. I would say, I'm
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: all for, you know, continuing day true rookies with wide receivers,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: keep bringing those guys in, and you know, just you're
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: not gonna be able to get t Higgins. Probably it's
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: just you got to just try to keep stacking guys
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: at that wide receiver position and hope somebody breaks out
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: at some point.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: It's a chicken or the egg thing too, Like obviously
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: they need better line play, they need better protection. You
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: can't go into a season without tackles again. But if
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: you don't have anybody to throw to, no line is
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: just going to give you limitless options.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: The Chiefs had three all pros, right, but they don't
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: have anybody that can get open. And Mahomes ended up
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: getting killed, you know, So it was Yeah, the line
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: play was bad and the Eagles defensive line dominated, but
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: the Eagle secondary also dominated. They they blanketed their very
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: average group of receivers until the game was over. And
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: Worthy he made a bunch of catches in the second half,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: but but he didn't have any impact on the game. Yeah,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: I think he had like seven for one hundred and whatever,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: but it was meaningless. It was all garbage time.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like you eat both the Patriots current wide receiver room.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: I guess maybe I do hear that a decent amount
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: that like there were receivers would be okay. I I
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: kind of just disagree, Like I I really just don't
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 6: like any of their receivers really outside of Pop Douglas
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: maybe in like especially a certain type of role you
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: know that you have him in, but even him, like
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: I worry about volume and durability and like could he
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: be really get targeted one hundred and twenty five.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: Maybe a Josh receiver.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 6: I don't think so, right, And so I mean really,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: when you look at the depth chart, I just I
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: just wears like the reliability wears, like the consistency for
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 6: many of those guys, even though they flash like Kaishan
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: Booty had moments lash year.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 8: But you're not, you don't. Good team's not relying on
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 8: a guy like Keishawn Mooody.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: Is Polpe redeemable, you know, new offensive staff, you know,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: a fresh start.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: Since some footage of him came out over the last
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: week of him training, he's got a big old armbrace
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: on that he's you know, working out with. But I
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: think that was an injury suffered towards the end of
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: the last couple of games, right like like the end
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: of maybe the second last game of the season. I think,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: so he's you know a little bit in recovery as well.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know what to respect from him, So I
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: would say, yes, he's redeemable. I think he's going to
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: be with the you know, a second year Drake may
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: which will help him and they should have better protection
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: and all that stuff. But do you look and watch
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: him and say Okay, this is a high end receiver.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: No do you think the skills like I know, we
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: had a bad year. I'm trying to eliminate his performance.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: How can I do that? How can I go back
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: to what you see.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: In training camp when he was catching a million passes?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: Do you did you see high end ability?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: I didn't know, but I didn't see him.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: But he can be better than he was like on
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: the during the.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: Camp, he could be a like a pe, you know,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: and cam'p he did what he was asked to do,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: and so I don't know if he had the opportunity
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: to show us high end Okay.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: But I would say and I've been critical of to
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: Mario Douglas as well, right because of the things that
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: Evan just said. I don't know about him being a
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: high volume kind of guy. I did see high end
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: ability at times in practice when he's cutting across the
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: field and all of a sudden, turning the corner for
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: thirty yards and no one's catching, no one's near him.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: I didn't see that with Jalen Polk. I don't see
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: the same Like now, they're different kinds of players. I
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: get that, but I don't see the same explosiveness the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: same athlete.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: That one thing you could say, wow, you know.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: Yes, I would say that Polk figures to get better
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: with Josh McDaniels and with the second year Drake May.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: But how much better will he be? I don't know
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: what his ceiling. I don't know that his ceiling is
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: very high.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: I don't think it was very high coming out, Like.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: I got you guys were both very Lukewarman the pick
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: that the day had happened.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: Because I feel like we're kindred spirits when it comes
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: to wide receivers.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: Like I think we do kind of like the same
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: kinds of receivers.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: You know, I want guys that can run by people
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: like imakers. I don't really have very much interest in like,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: you know, the nine yard per catch guy, right, Like, yeah,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 6: it's cool to move the chains and you need that guy,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: but I want that guy on third down.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: But just to be such perfection out of the quarterback position,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: to operate like that. Yeah, and that's what you had
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: for twenty years, Luther.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: It's one of the great questions I got going into
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: like OTA's camp. It's just like, what does Josh think
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: of these receivers? How does Josh see these guys fitting
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: into everything. I haven't totally ruled out Polk. I hear
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: everything Paul saying. I still think, you know that he
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: could be a physical, reliable, strong handed number three, you know,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: that kind of guy that can can come in and
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: that makes my area, especially if he's got two guys
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: with some dynamic ability to move, you know, one guy
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: you can move around and another guy with some speed
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: on the outside, and then it maybe gets a little
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: easier for Jalen Polk worries me about him. Was just
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: he looks so lost last year. Is that going to
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: get better with a Josh McDaniels offense. You know, we'll
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: we'll see.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: Couple the lack of explosiveness in my view, my view,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: not fact, my view, with what looked to be sort
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: of a shaky mental aspect of the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: I would say the.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: Whole room really. I mean that's why it's it's hard
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: to single him out because I think the whole room
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: had mental brain farts through off the season, and.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: Your favorite Kendrick Bourne, my guy.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: I just wonder that is Josh, you know, are we
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 6: still going to be doing the Edelman Welker slot and
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: we're still doing all which is fine, like if we are,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: but you know, that's a very specific type of player
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: that you have to go out and target, and they
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: exist in this draft.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: Your guy Miami.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: Comp him to Danny Emmon Doola. I think he's a
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 6: clone of those types of guys. But you know, that's
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 6: that's not the big play down the field what I want, right,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: that's like we're going to run the little jukeer out
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: and we're going to get open over the middle and
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: we're gonna hit him, you know. So it is that
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: still the archetype for Josh McDaniels in the middle of
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 6: the field and the slot receivers and the tight ends
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: or you know, in Vegas they did try to pivot
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: DeVante Adams, you know, and like have a little.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 8: Bit more of an outside a little bit though.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, then Jacoby obviously Myers, you know, goes there to
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: be the same kind of guy. So I just wonder
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: with that aspect of like, you know, what, what type
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: of receiver would they even be looking at in that respect,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: because I do think Polk has a little bit of
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: Jacoby Myers like to his game, but I don't know
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 6: if he's got the mental makeup that Jacoby did.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: All right, eight five five pass five hundred is the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: TPX outline. Let's go to Brad in Ohio.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 11: What's up Brad, hey, fellows, how you doing this afternoon?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 17: Good?
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 11: I got a few quick inside, real quick for you.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 11: I agree with Evan about Coaston or not. I want Coaston,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 11: love them, so we draw if we moved back into draft.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 11: I'm a Michigan fan, so you know, I'm not trying
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 11: to be biased, but I want Coast because he's the
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 11: younger too. If I'm not mistaken, I think Evan knows,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 11: and that would be moved back to twelve and fifteen.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 11: But I'm not outside the realms of drafting Mason Graham either,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 11: for the reasons. He's an A plus path rusher, a
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 11: plus blockshtter, especially if somebody's trying to block him one
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 11: on one. God luck with that, and he is stamina.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 11: Evan's kind of maybe right with that in double teams.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: I kind of, you.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 11: Know, gravitate towards what Evans said with that, But he
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 11: is an A plus ever guy and he runs down
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 11: place from the back, So that that's one thing I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 11: wanted to say, certainly, if we move back, I'd love
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 11: to see Coast in Loveland. I think he'd be an
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 11: outstanding fit. I don't know where Donovan. I think Alex
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 11: Bird went and called, you know a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 11: said that Donovan Edwards is seventh round draft pick. We
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 11: can't let him slip that long, not in a Patriots uniform.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 11: We need to get him in the fifth round, fourth
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 11: round something. And then Kenneth Grant, if we moved back,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 11: another defensive lineman Luthor Board, uh, Luther Burden, or if
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 11: we if we moved back, if we could move back
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 11: up to grab those guys, and then a linebacker from
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 11: Iowa Higgins, don't know what round he's gone, and he's
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 11: gonna be outstanding. Uh, Khalil Mauling more of a blocking
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 11: type running back might fit. And the Henderson guy, where
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 11: is he going to be drafted?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: Running back from Ohio State? Probably like him and Junkins
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 6: are probably both going to be Day two picks.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 11: And then and then Josiah Stewart. Can we get him
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 11: with the third pick, our last third pick?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: High school?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: Right, that's the guy I'm thinking about, right? Well, he
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: had that there was another guy at Michigan.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: That was just Stewart, one of my guys appreciate as
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: you can tell, certainly a draft.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: Thing is he left went out with the there's there's
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: this a big time corner, right is Will Johnson?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 8: Well Johnson, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: With no love for Will Johnson, the Michigan guy we
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: had to gain.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: And everybody.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Will Johnson's got got like some comps that are crazy,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: like Patrick Sartan, like this guy's going to be a stud.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: Other people are lower on him. But uh, he mentioned
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 6: a couple of guys. I just watched Kenneth Grant and
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: yesterday the nose tackle from Michigan, you know, more of
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: like a you know four to three nose tackle one
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: you know, one shade whatever. But he's a good player.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 6: He's strong, you know, just really strong upper body. Uh,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 6: you know, not going to be moved. And uh, Jazia
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 6: Stewart's one of my Senior Bowl guys. Like he's somebody
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 6: that I thought popped in Mobile, but he's not really
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 6: really undersized. He's like six one, two hundred and forty
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: two and forty five passes.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: Is the ever guy.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 8: So he's good to know. I have to ask him
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 8: about that.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you visit the Baseball Hall of Fame.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 8: He's an undersized pass of Fame.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: Wow, why not are you? How do you ever it
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: overlooks you interested to get snubbed and Evert you get snubbed.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: No, it's a good question.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: They didn't discover his pitching.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: I'm a small hull guy. I wasn't good enough. The
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: running wasn't it wasn't good.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: They got guys are twenty four and in high school,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: so you know what, Yeah, you have a lot of
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: old guys in Evert.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: And yeah, no, yeah, no, they're big time recruits coming.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: Well now they don't have any they don't have the
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: same talent. But these gets like Lewis Cene and Sandra
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: Still and these guys were big time recruits. They were
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: not overage kids when they went to college. These were
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: blue chippers, both good players.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 8: So it's Jasiah Stewart.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: Do you want?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: And Isaiah likely was also on.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: If you want a guy off the edge and that
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 6: just is going to be a menace on third downs,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 6: then that's Josiah Stewart.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 8: But if you want to top the run, then that's
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 8: not for you.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: But he's he's you know, Joshua Jay is now like
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 6: that type of player, maybe a little bit more explosive.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: Andrews and Marlborough. What's up? Andrew?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 10: Hi, So first time, longtime.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: How are you good?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: Great?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 18: So I'm calling actually to plug a charity event that's
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 18: going on right now. A sports YouTuber called Tom Grossi
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 18: is live streaming as we speak. He started last Sunday
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 18: and he's trying to raise a million dollars for the
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 18: Fallen Patriots charity. It's a charity that sends kids to
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 18: college who had parents who died while serving in the military.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 18: So I was hoping to get the word out and
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 18: kind of spread the news that that's going on right now.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's on YouTube Fallen Patriots.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 18: The guy's name is Tom Grosse. He was in h
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 18: He stopped by Julette like two years ago raising money
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 18: for Saint Jude's. So he's been doing a lot of
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 18: raising money for charity. I think I remember the event
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 18: is Falling Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: Great, all right, thanks thanks for the shout up. Thanks Andrew.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: When he said fall I thought he meant like ex
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: Patriots players.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: Right, you know, but I thought he was just plugging
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: someone that's a good cost YouTube channel. What that's obviously
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: a good cost.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: Uh, Patty's an agawam, Hey, Patty's going on?
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 19: Jen Hey, yo, I just had a quick question about
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 19: Dale and pol We saw how in college when he
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 19: was the third fiddle he could play, you know, he
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 19: put up good numbers. I mean, he actually looked like
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 19: a viable player. So my question is, let's say we
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 19: get and this is just one up scenarios. Let's say
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 19: we get Godwin and sorry for the noise, and we
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 19: drafted McMillan or somebody like David Higgens to be our
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 19: ex outside guy. Do you think we can kind of
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 19: selve his career or do you think there's Do you
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 19: think he's so in his head from this past year
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 19: that there's no selves against his career because we know
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 19: how guys don't produce good in the first year, they
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 19: generally produce it all.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think so.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: I mean I think if we just kind of went
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: over that, yeah, I think he's getting a fresh chance
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: a little bit with Josh coming back. But I mean
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: that could go one of two ways. I mean, it
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: could be Josh isn't really interested in him and he
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: can't pick up Josh, or it could.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: How much of an indicator will be spring practices and
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: where guys are lined up, and how Josh is using
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: them even though they're in shorts and the like. Will
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: that give us any indication of the research that he's
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: done in the opinion that he has going in on
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: some of these guys.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, i'd wonder if Folk's going to be
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: healthy ready to go, at least specifically to him. But
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: of course we'll overanalyze all that stuff.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I also would like to see what kind
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: of moves they make. You know, in Patty's scenario, you
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: have Chris Godwin or you know, sort of a similar
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: veteran free agent in addition to you know, a fairly
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: significant draft pick wide receiver. So if you have those
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: two guys you know in the mix, say in May,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: and you have Polk with them, I would say that's significant. Now,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: if Polk is just out there and you know you
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: didn't add those two guys, I don't think that's it
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: as significant. It's like, well, Polk was out there, you start,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: I think you start might have started the first game
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: of the year. You know, Like, what significance do we
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: take from that? Well, that's they don't have much. You know,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: it's Douglas. It's a little bit of booty sometimes and
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: then you know you're a guy born when he's lined
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: up properly and Polk.
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  Speaker 8: I think that's a big I am.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not putting any eggs in the jail and pulk
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: basket like it's going to.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: Have to show me something first.
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  Speaker 6: I just think it's a big lead for him to
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 6: go from last year to all of a suddenly. You know,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: I think if you had a five hundred yard you know,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 6: season next year, that I would be like that.
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  Speaker 5: That'd be great.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, great progress, right well, Jeremiah writes in he says,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you watched Steve Smith's report report
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: card on Poke, but it seemed really insightful. He pointed
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: out a bunch of Poke struggles see stem from the
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: team situation and the coaching from Van Pelton Underwood. If
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: you haven't watched it, I highly recommend it and would
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: like to know your thoughts if Pok could succeed better
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: under better coaching or is it more of a skill issue.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: I think it's both. I think you will succeed better
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: with Josh McDaniels, but I don't think that there's this
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: like reservoir of ability.
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  Speaker 6: That that was my point about bringing up the five
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 6: hundred yard thing was because like.
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  Speaker 8: What's the ceiling like?
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: Even if it does look better for Jalen Polk, I'm
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: not I'm not like gonna be fool to think that
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  Speaker 6: he's gonna have a thousand yard season in year two,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 6: Like it's still gonna be modest, I would think and
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 6: deduce his point originally about him, like a lot of
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 6: it was just like mental and like game instincts and
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 6: mental toughness, so that before we even get to the ability,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 6: like that.
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  Speaker 5: Your offensive system was the same for everybody.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Did Douglas look better than Polk?
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: Did Booty look better than Polk?
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: So like Booty and Polk, I mean I chose those
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: those guys because they both second year, sixth round picks.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: So it's not like I'm comparing him to Randy Moss
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: in his prime, right, I'm comparing him to guys that
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: he was a second round pick. Right, theoretically he should
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: have more ability, yeap.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he didn't look like he did. It's just
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: so jarring. I mean that you guys can probably speak
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: to it. More than I can. But I've said before
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: like I've never seen a player just look productive in camp,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: look like he got it. Looked like he was just
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: gonna be a part of things and be consistently around
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: the ball, maybe make some catches to going from that
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: to twelve catches and looking like he can't even run.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: Like specifically, I would argue Taekwon Thornton look the same
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: in training camp, but then he got hurt. He broke
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: his collar bone in that Panthers preseason game, and I
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: don't think he was ever really the same his rookie year.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: Then he kept you know, showing an inconsistencies and couldn't
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: stay healthy. I think his issues were different. But to
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: your point, Polk was a guy who was on the
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: practice field every day catching a ton of passes. Nothing
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: really appeared to happen, and all of a sudden he
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: wasn't the same guy when when the game started.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if you think there's a little story
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: there with not getting his feet down, and you know,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: I mean from that point in that in that game,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: it's just that where it really totally unraveled because he
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: was involved in me I think was the second or
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: third game they target him a bunch, like it seemed like,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: you know, we got to get this guy going, and
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: then it just after that moment, had some bad comments afterwards.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: It just feels, first of all.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: The production wasn't good the rules for the whole time,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: but there were flashes of separation and stuff, and I
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 6: kept them saying to myself early on, like trying to
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: get but like when Drake.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: Made there was one deep ball that Jakobe under throw,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: it might have been that game might have been to Miami, you.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 6: Know, and when they get Drake may and there, like
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: is he going to put the ball on him more?
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 6: And he made a nice move on that route against Miami,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: not up the back of the end zone, and he
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: didn't get his second foot in bounds, and the just
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: completely unraveled for him from there. And I even if
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 6: you watched the route, like it's a nice little route
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: that he runs to get open and then he just
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: he just didn't get the foot.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: And in terms of just having confidence that he can
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: sort of be, you know, resurrected, that's probably the biggest
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: thing that stands in the way for me is he
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: had that play happened and he completely went in the
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: tank like that. My biggest concern would be does he
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: have the mental toughness?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: Audrey says, what's going on today?
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Guys?
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: The show's so flat, very low energy. Are you all
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: tired of winter and shoveling? Paul looks tired and depressed.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: You do look a little down today. What's going on?
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: I got things?
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: You got things going on? Yeah, off field stuff. No,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: it's all too nice. It's all too serious. Where are
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: the questions for Fred about his vacation? And why isn't
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: Fred needling deuce about the semi disastrous show was last week? Wow?
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: Is that's true?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: What happened?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: When I was going you weren't here show Thursday?
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: What happened?
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: I actually we got some compliments, but just tough on me.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: So I Tuesday show I thought was was really good,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: but you know, as good as they can be with
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: as good as they can be without you, And we
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: had phone issues. Tuesday show was an absolute disaster back here.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: Fair enough, but not my phone.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: It wasn't your guys fault from a content perspective, the
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: board's fault.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't like to I was hoping that you
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: guys would be able to you know, keep things going.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know. You have to ask ad you to
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: expand upon her. That's the first I've heard of it.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: So what happened on Thursday?
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: I thought we had we had matists, we talked to
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, we did talk a little Drake and Kendrick
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: Lamar about being a Drake fan. Yeah, but otherwise it
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: was I thought it was.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: It was fun.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: It's fun. Went by pretty quick. We'd read a lot
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: of emails, So thank you everybody the email. No problems
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: with the phones. I don't know.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: Right back in, poor Fred is thinking I can never
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: take another bit.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: I'm worried. You know, I need my time off sometimes,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: tree Hugger and Oregon writes in one of my favorite
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: parts of Patriots Unfiltered is hearing Mike's many sonorous mms,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: most often heard as he lends his support or affirmation
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: to a cogent point made by a fellow PU member.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: They are subtle, but once you start listening for them,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: they are everywhere, a low rumble that provides the sonic
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: foundation of Pew's exquisite auditory ambience. All Right, maybe Marine
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: Matt can work his editing magic to give us a
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: cutup of a string of these stentorian vibrations. I imagine
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: it might very well resemble that nineteen ninety three hit
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: song mm mmm mmm mm by the Canadian rock band
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: Crash Test Dummies. Perhaps Stews could use it as a
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: demo reel to showcase his vocal talents and Springboard is
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: musical recording career. One can a there was this boy?
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Whoever?
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: That one?
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 9: It's gonna sound like a scene from Private Parts.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 20: It's so hard geter around nineties music that you don't
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 20: know the song.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: It's very very deep voice.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, do you notice yourself doing that a lot?
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: I will now, I'm sure. So thanks for pointing out.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 8: That's on your notes from Jerry that.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: I know, just Jerry that one.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: Brian's a Delaware what's up, Brian?
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 17: How you doing?
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 17: Yeah, we need a big change, man, we need to rebuild.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 17: I was like kind of hurt, you know, saying we
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 17: need a good draft pick. You know, I was kind
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 17: of hurt when the Patriots passed off on Jay. Hurt
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 17: that time, you know, with the draft pick, and then
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 17: you had Smith there too, and you had you know, back,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 17: you had Jones and all those guys like, you know,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 17: they had Jones, they could have got smiffed. I'm like, oh,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 17: on what are they doing? You know what I'm saying.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 17: But you know, I got trust the process, you know,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 17: with the draft pick of what you know Philichick was doing,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 17: you know, trusting Bill, you know even you know with
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 17: the picks that they had. You know, it was you know, Jones.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 17: He needed someone to throw to, you know. He you know,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 17: I'm I'm a huge Alabama fan by the way, I
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 17: got from I'm from Alabama. Yeah, it hurts me, you know,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 17: every every day. You know, they couldn't get hurt Like
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 17: he was sitting right there. I'm like, why did they
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 17: get them?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 17: Yeah, but we need a rebuild. I think you need
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 17: a ribe receiver, you know first, same versus a receiver.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 17: I mean Odell Beckham. You know, he's I don't know,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 17: you know how his his history is on well, I
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 17: think he was hurt or something like that. He got
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 17: hurt of and you know, yeah, he's wild. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 17: I mean they need a veteran somebody on a veteran guy. Yeah,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 17: they should, you know, take a chance on Odell.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: And then you know, what do you think of Milroe?
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 17: Great guy.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: Great, great guy. Can't play though, right, Yeah, Phil was right?
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: All right, thanks for the call, Brian a.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: Lot.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: Does anybody know who Smith or Jones?
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 6: Assuming he was talking about Davonte Smith and Mac Jones,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 6: Matt Jones. But Davanta Smith went ahead of Mac Jones
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: in that draft.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: So but I thought he was saying like they they
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: passed on Hurts. That's why I got confused. And Smith
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 5: and Jones were there, Yeah, correct, So I got really confused.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: But he was talking about Smith and Jones.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 8: I think the order of He's got the order a
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 8: little bit messed up.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: So I saw a big chart that had the college
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: of the Super Bowl winning.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: Quarterback Michigan, Yes, represented.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: And they list Hurts as Alabama. Yeah, not Oklahoma.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: It's weird.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was weird too.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 8: I would say Alabama, but I would.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: Say where he finished his career.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 6: Where he graduated from his degree full seasons at Alabama.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 8: Was acually went to Alabama.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 5: No, I know that, but there's a lot of guys
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: that you know, like you wouldn't say Jaden Daniels, Arizona State.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: He's finished his career at LSU, right, that's fair. He
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 5: played three years ago.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's fair.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: I agree listing Alabama, you.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 8: Can give him to Oklahoma.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: I just think it was because it was Alabama, right, Okahoma. Yeah,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: but it ain't Saban. It ain't the Saban machine.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 5: But like you got to give Saban credit for another one.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: To be accurate, you would kind of like Bill, you
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: would list both. I guess to Alabama slash Oklahoma. He
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: was he got. You can't do that. Then you'd list
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: where he Grabb situated from his last school.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: I would go by where he finished. It was like
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield, you know, didn't he started like Oklahoma.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 8: He was at Oklahoma.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: I mean where did he start Oklahoma? No, I think
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: he started somewhere else. Okay, I could be I could
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: be right on that.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: I thought he transferred Everett. I think he started at Everett.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: He's not that good.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 6: When Jalen hurts his name, I think I do think Alabama.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 6: I think probably because he was more that his team
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 6: was more successful at Alabama, whereas he was probably better
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 6: at Oklahoma. But he was also you know, it was
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 6: his last year in college. But yeah, I when I
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 6: when someone says to me, where did Jalen.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: Hurts, Texas tech baker Mayfield.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: Started, do you think the makers of this chart went
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: through that much discussion? And thought?
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: I just thought it was odd. I think that I'm
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 5: with Fred. I think they made a mistake.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: Johnny he went to Oklahoma. Oh oh yeah, that's right.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: Jack in a abba. Regarding whether Fred is low energy
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: from shoveling snow, Fred is absolutely not low energy from
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: snuggling show shoveling snow. He's a low energy because he
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: uses a snowblower. If Fred's shovel snow the old fashioned
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: way with a snow shovel, and he wrote show shovel,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: so I yeah.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: If you shout his shovel, yeah.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I read it right, whatever's on the prime, he
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: would be invigorated. I did both.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: That was a tough one.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: Well, the last one earlier.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: Sunday was a tough one.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: If you was shoveling, Oh yeah, that was that was
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: a mess.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you didn't get as much down your way.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: It started pouring rain.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but that was heavy with the snow blower.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: It was heavy.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: God bless my neighbor. He came and just plowed our
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: driveway for us. I gave him a thank you shout out.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: He should have baked him brownies or something.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: Saved my back because I just did the walkway and
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: I was like every scoop was like.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: But the one before that I did was able to
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: get the snowblower out and I haven't used it in
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: a couple of years.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: I've used it the last two storms.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, need it this year.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: Definitely needed its Sunday. Yeah, that would have been a
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: disaster if I was that's strictly shoveling. And I was
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: by myself too because the boys were gone, but TJ
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: was working Will's at school.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: Uh not that they would have helped you if they were.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 5: They all believe me they would have helped me that day.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, get your correct chat in LA. Question for the
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: group regarding the draft, is there any reason this year
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: to trade up? I'm thinking about Abdul Carter in particular.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: I know we need a lot, but if we're willing
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: to spend money to fill other positions, is there any
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: logic to it?
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking at the ball.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: No, you just have to give up stuff and you
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: know a lot.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just when it comes to these trade scenarios,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 6: I keep coming back to the same thing, like why
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 6: is the other team doing it? Like I can come
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 6: up with a million arguments for the Patriots wanting to
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 6: trade up, trade down, whatever, but I don't. I just
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 6: don't think that this is the draft where that movement happens,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 6: because usually the movement happens for quarterbacks, right, So, like
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 6: you know, teams that don't need quarterbacks move back, and
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 6: the teams that do need quarterbacks move up. But in
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 6: this draft, if you're not Google Gaga over the quarterbacks,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 6: then what's the why are we creating all this movement for?
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 6: So like if you're the Titans and you're not taking
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 6: the quarterbacks, you ruled the quarterbacks out, Like why are
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 6: you giving abdul Carter to the Patriots and then going
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 6: back to four and then getting nobody right?
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 6: So like that that's the part that I guess. You know,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: everybody has a price, Like if you came at them
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 6: and you gave them three first round picks, then like
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 6: maybe they would do it, But why would the Patriots
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: do that?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: So it's hard to argue with that.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: Yep, uh Russell and Florida. Do you think the Patriots
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: could go mostly defense in the draft and look to
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: free agency and aids for offense. I haven't dug into
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: the draft or free agency yet, but I'm assuming neither
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: is loaded with talent off season. Question, excuse me, how
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: to meatballs up? What is one player preferably a star
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: or big name guy that was brought to the team
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: in the Brady era that you were excited about but
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: didn't work out at all, and one player that you
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: always thought would be a Patriot at some point. Mine
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: is Chad Johnson and JJ Watt.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: Guys that you were excited about that didn't work out.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: Robert Gallery, I kind of say, a Dahlius Thomas. I
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: don't think he was a total disaster, but I was
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: way more excited than it.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: Actually, examples of John lynch.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: Daylyss Thomas.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: But you're.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 5: Chad, Chad Johnson would be would I mean, I kind
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: of excited. He was already done, but there was excitement.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: Cam Newton, but you know, like they Cam.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 20: Newton, Handsworth, Yeah, DoD Stalwart was and then all of
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 20: a sudden they go out and get Randy Moss after that,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 20: and you're like.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 8: Oh right, I thought I thought Star Wars was the guy.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: The thing with Antonio Brown was like you got a
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: brief glimpse of how good it could have been for
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: just a second.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: When they won that game in Miami with Antonio Brown,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: I was like, they're gonna win the Super Bowl.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 8: But that was like they were they looked Untoggie Wayne.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: So I don't those kinds of moves, you know, the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: Tory Holts and Reggie Wayne's, the Joey Galloway wires, they were. Yeah,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: they were like sort of taking a shot and you
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: know later in their careers. But there was some guys
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: that you know, like a daylyss Thomas is probably the
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: best example, Like this is a guy that's supposed to
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: be in his prime that was going to be this
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: different guy and he wasn't.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: He was he was playing.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: He was good in O seven and then he really
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 5: tailed off. I remember when he had the pick six
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 5: against the Chargers. Yeah, I don't know, everybody was just
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: going crazy and then he really never did much.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: That's pretty good in the Super Bowl if I remember,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: like like I don't know stats wise.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: But Fitzgerald would be the guy that they never.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: What about Julius Peppers. Remember we had Vi, We have
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: Vic Carucci on the show Live and studio saying they're
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: they're gonna I know from a good source that Julius
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: Peppers is going to be a Patriot. Yeah. I was
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: going to say, Larry Fitzgerald, he's still at the Hurts Counter.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 6: I thought for sure that, like he's in the last leg,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 6: Larry Fitzgerald and Bill loves them, come play with Brady,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: maybe win a ring.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 8: You cap off the career such a perfect.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: Like Brady receive and then he made this, you know,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: the transition later in his career to the slot.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I thought that.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 6: I thought that Larry Fitzgerald would finally grow sick of
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 6: losing in Arizona and come to the Patriots.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: That's a good question though.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: But there were a lot of guys that I had,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: you know, like there was a couple of tight ends
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: in there that I was excited about. I mean, John
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: Smith would be very recent one, but like like Dwayne Allen,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: I think they traded for he never really panned out
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: to do anything.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Scott Chandler, Oh yeah, the four.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: Tight end thing. Everybody was over right, you know, I
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: forgot about him, never did anything.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 8: Marty Bennett was good. That was a good signing.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good signing.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's just to ask him.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 8: Michael Bennett.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: No, martellis Martell's bene.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: Just ask him. I don't think that.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 8: Don't do they do? They win twenty eight to three?
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: They did? He danced with the cheerleaders after the AFC championed.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: I think I think he was not the I do
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 6: Speiak to that team twenty sixteen.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: He'll tell you.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: A good question, though, Ed Wright saying, I assume Carter
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: and Hunter are gone.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: Michael Bennett would be an example of No. I'm saying, guy,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: you were excited about it? Did nothing.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 8: I wasn't excited about that one.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: Michael Bennett was a beast of a.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 8: Player, really good for the Seahawks.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: I assume Carter and Hunter are gone by the time
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: we pick it four. If we are not sold on
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: any of the tackles at four, we are not sold
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: on Graham at four. Why don't we call the Chargers
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: to see how much they want for Rashaan Slater. Joe
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: Walt wasn't drafted to play right tackle, and Slater will
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: need paying after this year. We have the cap space
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: to pay him, and he's young and better than what
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: is available in the draft.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: So I think it's funny that the whole thing with
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: Will Campbell is though we can't draft him because he
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 6: has short arms, so we're gonna go draft the poster
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 6: child of short arm or a trade for the poster
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 6: child of short arm tackles.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 8: I think all these trades.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 6: Snarios are all well and good. I would probably do
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 6: a handful of them, but I mean, I just don't
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 6: find them to be too realistic.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: I guess. Dion Sanders was on the Rich Eisen Show
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: sam from Saint Catherine's writes in and he says on
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: the show he said that when it comes to Hunter,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: he thinks it'll be easier for Travis to do what
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: he does in the NFL with lighter practices compared to college,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: more breaks and huddles during the game, and more rules,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: the gaining physicality on receivers and corners.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 5: I don't have.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 6: Much doubt about like endurance with him. It's the focus,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 6: like it's like how much time.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 5: Ability, Like he's playing against the best in the world
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: on both sides. And it's not about stamina. No, it's
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: not about It's not just about stamina. It's about a
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: lot of stuff.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 6: I'm more worried about during the week, Like, yeah, there's
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 6: a lot of prep. How do you do mental right,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 6: Like how are you diving up his time during the
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: week to study, Like if you're gonna have him play
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 6: corner at a high clip and they're going against Miami
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 6: and he's got Tyreek Hill that week, like he's got
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 6: to be in the film room watching Tyreek Hill and
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 6: studying him and studying his patterns and his releases and
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: his movements and all that kind of stuff. And then
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 6: he also has to go worry about like whatever the
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: game plan is on offense and studying you know, that
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 6: side of the ball and worrying about that. Like it
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 6: just that to me is like how do you put
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 6: pack all of that into a work week and then
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 6: come out on Sunday and put your best put forward?
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 6: Not so much about the physical attributes of it.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: Maybe the oom's from me because I do that a
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: lot too. I wonder, you know, because when someone's talking
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: like Doucer myself or off camera, it could be me
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: doing it.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, maybe I'm throwing my voice. Yeah,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: can you do it?
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be. Audrey has a follow up on
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: her low energy email.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: All right, let's hear.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: Just listen to the start of last Tuesday, Fred dou
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: sounds shaky hosting right off the bat. Apologies immediately that
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: it's him very nervous ad reads no smoothness or confidence.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: It's like proclaiming this will probably be bad. Sorry fans. Wow,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: given the audio and phone problems weren't Mike's fault, but
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: he struggled with any transitions to keep it going. I'm
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: surprised he hasn't settled into this by now. I think
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: he's trying too hard, trying to be like you, needs
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: to find his own groove. I look forward to the
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: day it doesn't sound awkward. Wow, all right, I think
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: that's just awkward Mike. That's his thing.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: I'll try to do better.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's the he's the father who walks in
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: on his son, you know, in the bathroom, like you know,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: it's awkward. It's awkward.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: Hello, excuse me, bring a little energy to the show.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: You know what was yeah, hair jel Okay, Wow, you
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: guys really are.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 8: What the hell is wrong with transition?
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: What is wrong with you?
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: Audrey just kicked out my three legged stool of self confidence?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: So I'm you know, trying to.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: You know what, maybe maybe Eldred can bring some energy
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: to the show. What's up? Aldred? There we go you
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: just because the big y'all pile up on ninety five?
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: What's up?
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 15: Uh?
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 10: Coach on highway for it? Hey, hey, Mike, you were fine, man,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 10: don't worry about that.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: Man, fine.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 8: I listened to the podcast perfectly, you know what I mean.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 10: So hey, you great, Doug. Don't worry about that. You
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 10: don't know what you did.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 17: Butt's inspike the kool aid. But uh, I.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 10: Gotta trade scenario. And I know it might sound kind
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 10: of funny, but I ain't got no plan for Pope.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 10: I'll trade Pope ad Mitchell. They didn't use it that
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 10: much in uh Inneapolis, but he did have more yards,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 10: more touchdown and that's your outside receiver. But I let
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 10: it go at that, and I'll hear y'all on the radio.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, you guys all right, Thanks Eldred, just what we needed.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: Thanks Eldrick.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you were fine, perfectly fine, you're fine.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: Fine to the fine job. Fine sale, that's great.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: Grand Yeah. I like ad Mitchell.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 8: That's not great enough.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 5: No, he didn't do much.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 8: I look wrong on ad actual look close, he didn't.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 5: He didn't do the five to twenty five thing, right,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: I can.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 8: Not even close.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: What is it five?
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: Who got the five twenty five?
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 8: It's yeah, like fifty, I think five.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: I listen to the whole saying, what's five hundred receivers
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: that got it last year?
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: Pretty much?
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 6: Actually, it's actually not as many as you would think
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 6: outside of the first round, Like obviously all of the
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 6: the first round guys did. Conky McConkie and uh Kean
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 6: Coleman I think just made it.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 8: He did, and then Jalen McMillan might.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: Have worthy or yeah, first round okay, that's right, yeah,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: thirty two.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 6: I was looking at this yesterday though, because like I
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 6: actually do think this draft and over up against it.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 6: But this draft I do think is decent Day two
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 6: wide receivers, Like I think there are some Day two
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 6: wide receivers. I wrote about it today, but I thought
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 6: it was the hit rate was higher last year than
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: it I ended up being when I went back and
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 6: looked at it, like McConkie is obviously like the golden
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 6: goose there, but outside of him, it wasn't.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 8: It wasn't like a ton of hits instantly, but there's
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 8: always one. Mconkie was the point I was trying.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: To find him. Yeah, just ask Fred.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: Curtis and Saint Louis will finish up with this email.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: Three questions, Paul, further educate me please. I understand how
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: free agency works, but can you tell me when teams
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: are allowed to sign or extend their own players and
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: free agents? And when can other teams like the Patriots
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: make calls to other teams about potential trade candidates.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: You can do the former anytime if you want to
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 5: extend a guy right now, like the Patriots extended Jeremiah
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 5: Farms yep, like last week. He was going to be
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: an exclusive rights free agent and I think they gave
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: him two year deal.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 8: Mike correct.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So you can extend a guy that's on you
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 5: team because he doesn't become an official free agent until
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: the start of the league year, so he's still, you know,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 5: your property, so to speak, to negotiate with. I think
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 5: the tampering period.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 6: Is what would you say, March the tampering period, and
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 6: then the official league year is the.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: Twelfth, so that's officially when teams are allowed to have
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: these conversations. Now there is clearly going to be a
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: lot of that going on at the combine. But these
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: teams that put out the flyers, you know, Cooper Cup.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: We're mean, we're open for business.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: They're they're calling you can they can call other teams,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 5: you can. You know, the Patriots can call teams and
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: ask about the availability of T. Higgins in the trade
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 5: if they want to. That's not tampering, right, you can
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: call And.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: So I just can't go to the player directly, right.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: No, no, yeah, like not without the permission of the team, right,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: you know, And but you can call team. You know,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: gms can call gms and try to swing deals anytime
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 5: to consummate the trade until the start of the league year.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: I have a thought on the ball placement when it
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: comes to first downs. I think think of an invisible
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: dog fence. What if there's a chip in the ball
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  Speaker 4: and they had two sensors at each end, and then
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  Speaker 4: they add sensors lasers on each of the first down markers.
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  Speaker 4: If at any time the ball passes the markers before
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  Speaker 4: the player is called dead, well that's the kind of
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  Speaker 4: working on that. That's the idea. And finally, if there's time,
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  Speaker 4: a fun thing would you rather fun? Would you rather?
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  Speaker 4: For Evan, would you rather the Patriots make it to
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  Speaker 4: the super Bowl during May's rookie contract or get to
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  Speaker 4: sit in the Patriots war room and take in all
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  Speaker 4: the magic during the next three drafts?
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  Speaker 2: Good?
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  Speaker 5: Would you rather?
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  Speaker 8: That's tough.
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna appease the masses in say super Bowl in
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  Speaker 6: his rookie contracts, so all of you can enjoy that together.
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  Speaker 6: But in my heart of hearts, the war room does
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  Speaker 6: sound pretty tempting.
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  Speaker 5: But you would rather be in the war room? Yes,
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  Speaker 5: for a potentially terrible draft. You have no way of
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  Speaker 5: knowing then super Bowl.
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  Speaker 8: That's why I said I would do.
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  Speaker 5: I know, but you but you like, you're sort of
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  Speaker 5: making a concession for us.
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  Speaker 4: So what if you in the war room and you
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  Speaker 4: can't say anything?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I would think that would be the case. But
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  Speaker 6: a fly on the wall, like I would love to
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 6: be a fly on the wall just for some of
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 6: the meetings.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I think it would be almost more interesting,
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  Speaker 3: because I think the draft meeting, the draft thing is
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  Speaker 3: kind of like, all right, so Joe blow, Joe blow, Yeah, Joe,
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  Speaker 3: we'll go Joel Joebelo. Yeah, all right, you get him,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like.
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  Speaker 4: He wants to be in the war room so that
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  Speaker 4: when he has his debase with Barth and be like
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: you're wrong, you're.
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  Speaker 8: Those are my favorite.
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  Speaker 5: I know we've had this before.
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  Speaker 4: Trump.
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  Speaker 5: I really don't understand why you don't pursue a career
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  Speaker 5: in it. I don't, and I'm being dead serious, like
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 5: that's what that's what it. I didn't say you had
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  Speaker 5: the talent to do it, don't. I don't take it
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: as a compliment. I'm saying, that's clearly what you want
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  Speaker 5: to do. Like, I don't really have a lot of
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 5: interest in being a fly on the wall in that room,
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  Speaker 5: Like would it be you know interesting that oh yeah,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 5: they were they want to do so instead of azaar yeah,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 5: and then ten minutes later, I'd forget all about it,
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 5: the like he would be like that's his super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's different, Like I obviously it's obviously for
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 6: some of that is to like know ahead of time
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  Speaker 6: who they're but I also just want to hear how
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 6: they talk about the players, like because I think that
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 6: the conversations they have are closer to the conversations we have.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't think there's any question people realize.
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  Speaker 6: So I just want to see, like how far off
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  Speaker 6: am I when I, like Barth and I are doing
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  Speaker 6: our thing.
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  Speaker 8: On Cash twenty two. Like I'm not saying that my
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  Speaker 8: knowledge is.
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  Speaker 6: At their level, but like how far off are we
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 6: that you know we're Are we looking at the right things?
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 6: Are we having the right conversations that that sort of yesterday?
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 5: Congratulated him, he's going.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 4: He's going to that's great on his own time. Yeah no, no, no,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know. He's got perdem So they have like
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 4: what's his role? Are you going to do a show
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: down there or what are they doing?
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 6: They're going to have him go around and then he'll
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 6: call into the shows back home.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 4: You know, see the influence we have, they wouldn't done it.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 4: We put pressure on he should thank us.
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  Speaker 8: I don't want to. I don't want to drop.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 6: But there were certain people at the station I believe
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 6: that also put some pressure on them that are high ranking.
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  Speaker 8: So it's all.
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  Speaker 4: Angles, okay, but it started here.
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  Speaker 3: So we're trying to do a live catch twenty two.
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  Speaker 3: You started at Freddy with our Guys, live live show
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  Speaker 3: next week.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, to figure that out, all right, that's going to
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  Speaker 4: be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll probably
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Audrey. We'll do better on Thursday.
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