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Talks to Frazer Gregory about his choice of The Dominators (2/5) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to hamster with a blunt.
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  Penknife the 1930s, sci-fi commentary, Pas De Casa.
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  We are going all out with the Space Opera And discussing.
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  Everyone's favorite story from 1969.
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  The dominators I am back with my two cool hosts.
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  First up, is the one and only mr.
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  Joe for to say, hello, Joe. Hello, Joe.
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  It's always nice to get that little object guide yourself.
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  Okay? All right, and we are joined by
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  Our second, very special guest. It's not sigh hard for one, but
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  for senior say it is the one and only quickie the quarks you keep
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  it down. This thing, bless you.
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  Fraser, what's that? Oh, did you really just said
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  there? I didn't.
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  He said, I'll buy you the Dominator.
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  Oh, well, you must be the one in charge here.
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  Well, you know, will come will come to that later.
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  Don't know. Who is in charge which In it.
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  There is the well, there's a lot to talk about there, you know,
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  and I think, Rusty Davis was paying attention to this story,
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  you know, because there's a bit of a child between this pair.
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  Oh, absolutely, yeah. They're they're face-to-face at
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  some points. Yeah.
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  Unfortunately their enormous breasts plays means, they can't
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  be entirely based the face. That's a hell of a costume in
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  here that hashtag dominant at. It's a thing that might be
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  hashtag dominated since. Yeah.
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  I mean, this is it a bit much? And what the the cost rate, you
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  know, it's not fair. Its imposing, I'll say that it's
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  not. It goes back to what we said
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  about the dulcian costumes last time in it's a deliberate
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  attempt to make something a bit different.
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  So it's not just, you know, walk standard, you know, aliens in,
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  trousers, and shirts, and whatnot.
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  It's, you know, this is an alien culture needs to look very
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  different from anything we've done on.
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  Before. And so, they've given them the
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  tops and trousers with the Flappy B on, I still can't
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  remember what that remains is of this.
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  Another Sci-Fi show, that I've seen something very similar to
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  that, in which I can't quite place.
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  I mean, I'm sorry phrase about anyone looks like a hippie in
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  this. It's those dominators for those
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  flared trousers with all the paper on it.
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  Yeah, the shoulder pads. But I think that that's that,
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  that color really works as well and because it means that, you
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  know, the do Have to be face to face for a confrontation.
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  It means that the don't, you know, you can't just have one of
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  them turn their head together. They've got turn the whole body,
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  take Batman your back, man, in the movies.
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  Apart from Christian Beal, can't move his head.
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  Sunk like decide. He has to move his entire body
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  in those early films in the dominant, as exactly the same
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  they've got turn to face each other.
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  They have to give a certain type of performance induced you.
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  Yeah, they don't think my daddy performance is much, Ability to
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  be nuanced as a dominator. I think, maybe that's not the
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  point. I mean, I think there is because
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  when they aren't facing each other, that's where the new ones
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  to comes. We have because we haven't
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  talked about them at the middle but Ronald Allen Ronald Allen.
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  Yeah, is does great work where he is kind of like coming up the
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  ship and that he's he's talking with kind of values but you
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  know, he's the subordinate so he doesn't look at them and that
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  that whole I can't just turn and look at him.
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  Would have to turn me full body. That really adds to that.
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  They're sort of like, the one in charge, the you stand behind me,
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  are you stand the sight of me? And I'm not giving it a look at
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  your. Well, I'm giving you orders
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  because you are beneath me to about you up any smile of people
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  say, if the other fellow is got the suppressed rage, I think is
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  Ronald Allen is waiting to burst.
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  Oh, yeah, area. That is empty.
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  He's to simmer in a way as and you think he reminds me of you
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  ever been to a convention, No. Okay.
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  You get the older Doctor Who fans a bit more experience and
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  then you get the tempestuous younger Doctor Who fans, you
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  know, who, you know, feel like they've got a shout, the loudest
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  and their opinion. That's gotta be heard, you know,
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  and the older ones until I've got my opinion now.
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  I know I'm thinking, I thought this is the dynamic between the
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  two dominates. You know, I've seen it a few
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  times where there just look at them going on our girls.
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  Let's let him talk. Yeah.
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  Bless all so which are you at the convention then are you to
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  about our Regal fucking Doctor Who podcast?
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  Which one do you think I am? Honestly my opinions heard far
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  and wide you're the your quickie actually I'm The Quiet One you
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  know because Jason Thompson made a comment when we were in a room
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  with Fraser Hines, right? And it was only a small
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  gathering of people and we would it was a live commentary of Tomb
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  of the Cybermen. Yeah.
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  And Oz was just talking for out it to you know a select few of
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  us and then the room got open out two questions.
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  Well, who is the you know the master of asking questions
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  during their commentary that would be you are in sale word
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  and Jason Thompson made a point of saying.
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  I'm really surprised that the person who asked so many
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  questions doing commentary, podcast did not happen and
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  that's because I actually I'm quite quiet in a group setting
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  like that either doing it. One on one with you.
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  This easiest thing in the world, but yeah.
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  So I think I am actually, the choir fact who is kind of a
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  short with what I think, but I don't feel the need to stamp all
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  over anybody. Unless I'm doing this for you to
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  see your the Dominate and not the probationer.
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  That's right. Okay, I'll write that in my
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  book. I should just write that down.
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  Yes, honestly, I expect sex gags from you.
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  You know, what should we dive into?
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  In to episode two. Well yes since we are talking
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  about four years of Haines and live commentaries will probably
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  should watch reassigned to do a live commentary on it because
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  I've got some really good stuff coming up here.
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  So would you like to count this any weapons or two?
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  I would I would click. He's just gone for a little
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  lie-down you know. Yeah, the batteries have last
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  long, the really don't know, I mean I couldn't be worse but
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  they exhaust what they do in this as well.
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  Their power just drops down every two minutes.
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  Always go around shooting things.
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  That's why okay, I'll count as enjoy go on.
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  In 5, 4, 3 2 1. Let's go.
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  I always think people will say I'm wrong, but I was seeing,
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  Patrick troughton looks a bit Sinister you know in this title
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  sequence the way he comes out of that Venetian, it does rain
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  Janice zoom out and then just melt away, doesn't it?
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  It's a bit. But it doesn't like a kindly
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  Uncle than a twenty materializes.
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  He does look Fraser, just talks about Patrick troughton story
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  before. Have we only we've talked about
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  it on 91, but not enhanced are no good.
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  Will we did was we did the two doctors?
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  We're sorry. Now, Ivan has a very different
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  second doctor. It is the second doctor in this.
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  Yeah, yeah, definitely. So then would you care to
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  enlighten me of where trout and falls for you m?
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  That's a very good question because I haven't got a very
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  quick answer. That is what you write him?
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  Oh, I'm sorry. Yes.
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  Absolutely. I mean that's a thing of this no
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  doctor that I don't wait. There's just some of it more
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  than others, if that makes sense.
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  So, you know, someone like Matt Smith is right at the top of the
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  pile. You know, Tom big as up there as
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  well. Patrick troughton would have to
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  come sort of top off. I would say, I think in my top
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  three batch of town. I mean, the problem I get is
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  that once you start ranking them, you start getting towards
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  the bottom and then just start your filter.
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  Why any feels unfair as well? Doesn't it?
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  It, you just went out with steam because you then you see my life
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  don't want to see, you don't know.
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  Chris. That's another form of down
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  because they just haven't done as much as the others was.
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  Yeah, you know you know you know they are a big fan of big finish
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  so their day wracking it up, you know, I know Leo.
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  You know, it's just so it's always fluid as well.
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  So you know on a certain day I'm going to be like I want to watch
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  a Pertwee and another day I'm going to be at, you know, what
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  can't be doing with him just being a dick to everyone.
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  So it is quite fluid. But Patrick Nagel absolutely
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  rate. I think he did such an amazing
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  job and coming in And season 4 when he did and be in the new
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  doctor because without him doing that, we've got no sure, for
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  sure. You know, if you think back
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  season season 3 is again at another massively troubled, year
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  of production, you've got You've got producers in script, right?
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  Doesn't companions coming and going like we've got Prime
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  Ministers and chancellors in the home secretaries at the minute
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  and but I do think the most extraordinary creative things
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  happen in season 3, as old as the show passes for all those
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  different hands. But do you know, it's it's
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  doesn't disappoint in that respect and bought, you know
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  what you do? Get is by the time.
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  William aren't a leaves, is that the show is very much kind of on
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  its up as in your think it Needs something.
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  Now it needs, it needs that little just the Assurance of a
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  lead that kind of remember his lights and that's not Sly on
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  heart know who I think is incredible.
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  That he will feel like it's no go away from me.
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  Absolutely. But you know, if you look back
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  to even today one, you know, he's line readings aren't, you
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  know, 100% accurate, but it doesn't matter because now you
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  can make it part of his character, Genius of it.
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  Absolutely, if you think about it, you think sort of You know,
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  who does talk like that? Who does get everything rate
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  every single time. I'm tripping over my words left,
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  right and Center. Well, that's what's great about
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  this podcast. It's not edited to hell like
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  some of them. It's not you know this is an
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  undiluted Fraser Gregory. Exactly and use.
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  That's what you get with toddlers.
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  Doctor is, you know, well obviously you know, Ian
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  Chesterton comes in and it's perfectly acceptable from the
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  column charlatan are charlatan or you know a few times until he
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  gets to Norm better until he It's to kind of appreciate them
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  but you know, when we get to sort of, you know, there was
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  that last recording block of the season 3 those last few to
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  stories you know, on the production on wanting them there
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  as well. You know, his health is it's
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  kind of like the mutual. We need to kind of get out of
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  this. It's getting a bit toxic.
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  What they were looking for Creative reasons to do that when
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  I was at least a current. Exactly, you could have happened
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  totally them. But for then ago, Right?
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  So we're going to recast the star of the show completely,
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  it's going to be a completely different person.
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  It's not even going to be like a mind rubber where we're going to
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  try and bring someone in. It looks a bit like them and
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  they like bring like which are turned on in our stomach.
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  We're going to go all out and we're going to completely
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  change. The character will have a space
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  reason for doing it, but we don't really understand that.
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  So we're not going to dwell on that cruise fudge that a little
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  bit. They can fill that in later in
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  the 80s. Exactly.
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  You know, so the very reliant on Patrick troughton being able to
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  come in and win over the audience and say seeing them.
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  Yes, I am Doctor Who know and it's a ratings success in those
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  early. Travis, I hate solve a million
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  again, it's on the rise but, you know, Falls.
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  Like I feel like fours like a gestation period where and I
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  think it's the longest gestation period of any doctor I've ever
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  hear of find sort of settling on.
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  And it happens around sort of the macro Terror, the moon base.
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  Yeah, 5e then It's a formula that can kind of relax into and
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  be super confident in. That's all based on this.
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  That's why I like six because you've got the very self-assured
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  performance of Patrick troughton that who knows how to do this
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  and then you've got the sort of diverse genres and think.
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  Yeah. They're playing about with and
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  the different styles of Storytelling include at this.
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  This wouldn't really have hittin Season 5, I don't think it
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  doesn't. It doesn't fit the formula.
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  It's not amazing to see each piece Under Siege, but I think
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  Planet Under Siege. No, it doesn't make the formula
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  but again, that's not a bad thing because it's great, you
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  know, do need that variety. That bit of a mix to keep us.
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  Keep us entertained, but what you get is, you know, you have
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  that season for where we find his feet, you then get season 5,
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  which other formulaic is got him and freezer Hines.
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  And they were all egg Debbie warbling.
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  Yeah. Magic together up its magic
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  together. It's the chemistry between the
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  three of them is. Yeah.
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  And then you get season 6 where everyone's gone, but then you
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  get Putters in when you Padre comes in and that magic is still
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  there. That chemistry is already
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  familiar theme about it is I love the arrogance of Zoe and I
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  like how she's Arrogant with both Jamie and the doctor.
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  Absolutely. We need a woman like that, you
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  know, we do. But what happens by Time.
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  You got to season 6 and fortunate.
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  Is that Patron is now being flogged to death.
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  Yeah, and I think there's the finances are running a bit dry
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  as well, finances age, but dry at getting.
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  Again, the production side of things is starting to weaken a
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  bit as you know, like, say ten sticks is up-and-coming and
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  Derek, Sherman are open, come and but the others are kind of
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  got one eye on other things. And it's, it's running out of
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  steam. You can tell that by the time
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  you get to like seeds, Of death and in the space.
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  Well, we're going to talk about that.
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  All right, we are that's a very broad opinion.
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  Somehow, you know, maybe maybe 2025 get around to that one over
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  there, you know, you can even tell it in this one, you know,
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  because he's not on location, you know, he's had the kind of
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  backed down from location and the doctor and the Tardis team
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  don't arrive until five minutes into the story.
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  A space pirates, they barely finisher there.
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  They lie in, that's the six. They aronian filmed inserts in
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  episode 66 Bar at their best in six, your mind Robert, the war
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  Games, The Invasion. Nothing is gold is absolutely
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  something. Even with them, you know,
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  Running on Fumes the Productions were done on fumes, the Tardis
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  team owner fumes of what is keeping the shore together and
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  limps it as it were towards the war games and towards its next
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  big. You know, shot me on Boost is
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  Patrick troughton. Yeah yeah and that chemistry has
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  with razor Hines and with Wendy Marberry, if there's 100 left in
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  the seeds of death, you know, it would say the show would just
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  stumble I've done over here. I don't know.
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  I think, I think troughton and peppery do wonderful things when
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  they're on their own together with the not afford, another
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  companion in at that point though, possibly, although be a
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  bit weird for a couple of stories, wouldn't it?
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  It would, I can't think it would create it.
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  Works out for the best. That's a lie that it did.
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  You know, sorry I knew that was going to be a big question.
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  I was going to take off. I threw the episode talking
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  about Pet Shop Boys. A big topic of conversation
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  topic. Yeah, I want to talk about the
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  design very quickly. Yep.
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  Because I think the design of the Dominator spaceship, it's
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  one of the best designs of any spaceship.
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  It's brilliant. Isn't it all those funky weird
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  visuals going on the wall? You know, very very 1960s.
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  Yeah. And do you know what's the best
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  thing is that little display? All the different quarks that
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  turn off when they yeah but it's got lots of other little quotes
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  as well. Like the way they get stuck to
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  the walls, took them all and then let me see the haven't got
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  the money too short a wall sliding so it's just done by
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  cameras. Well, I despise a hides his face
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  go. This is Barry Newberry, isn't
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  it? And he did some extraordinary.
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  In the sixties, we're now in the city and you've got a saint in
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  the backdrop, you've got these weird egg-shaped chairs
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  happiness, Seascape. I mean, is you've got full,
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  you've got the plants, you've got sort of like the curtains
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  behind in, you've got them sitting with these sort of
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  flowing dress. That quote, it's very Greek.
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  It's very saw the ancient Greek. Yeah.
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  You know which speaks back to you know if you think like in
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  late and cultures you think the Greeks you think you know what,
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  haven't just got. You know, Posh boys.
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  Now what I've got planned in the Wisconsin's just sitting around
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  talking, we've got Greek philosophers.
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  That's the kind of angle like it's coming out.
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  So, but, you know, you can't just put them in a robe.
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  On a tour guide, you have actually got to do something
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  Spacey. So you have space to Olga which
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  unfortunate does look a bit like addressing a curtain mixed
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  together. It does about like, you know, I
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  don't think they're particularly philosophizing, they basically
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  just sitting around, you know, pontificating.
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  Yeah. What I love about it is that
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  Feller always goes, you know, it doesn't matter whose Coming in
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  is Zoe and Kelly or even if it's the Dominator he goes.
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  Excuse me. Have you got an appointment?
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  Yeah it is. It's that again, it's that sort
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  of like hubris of like you can't invade our planet without proper
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  Pete but there's someone else you say that.
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  You know, this comedy show. This is this is brilliant.
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  This is also how to play like a dumbass.
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  He does it so well but it's you know because it's kind of
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  There's a little bit less salty in this.
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  One than there is another is another story.
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  He does have that sort of like I am the clown.
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  You will underestimate me but you know that would be to your
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  downfall. So I think it's it's made a lot
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  more explicit in this your right as he is doing is always there
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  present in those? Yeah worries.
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  Yeah. But it's a bit subtle.
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  Are there almost like mocking it?
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  Here are my but yeah yeah it is great.
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  Like and what's great is one of the dominators thinks oh my God
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  they're figure shit. This pair and the other one
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  Ronald Allen's ones like nah their players, Willis is it but
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  the part that was a scene where the Scan and Jamie, haven't had
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  the scan Jimmy in these like, just well, well, yeah, he's
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  quite normal. I'm sure sign of Rapid, you
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  know, learning and that sort of thing.
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  And then the scan one of the Dolphins later on, don't the the
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  same of that and the go, all this one's got too hot.
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  You know, it's like, oh, well, through the sky on Jamie.
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  Like, should Whisk on the doctor.
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  Now, there's no point. The, what we see, just the same
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  because, you know, he's doing that.
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  Act and then the scan as they don't know.
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  You've got too hot and you're like, oh well, what would have
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  happened if that's can the doctor, then, at that point.
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  Wow. You know, either maybe Robert I
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  was paying attention. Well, this is it it's either the
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  the too hot thing comes in there and we'll see all the doctors
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  physiology is different or the whole tooth hot things never
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  happens. The Hall of Doctor Who you know
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  that's Razor. And I see you, entice me.
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  That's really innocent. But then all, look at this.
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  I'm sorry to interrupt the doctor, Jerry Holden has a
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  jumping up the that. I mean, our pay good money just
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  to watch trowel and hides goofing around like this.
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  But it is very, very fun. It is the bit where he's having
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  to do the puzzle and he's getting electric shocks it
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  because he's not getting it, right?
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  And he knows he can't get it right, because he's trying to
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  pretend. He's thick.
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  It's really great. She's beautiful.
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  And I wasn't she, she is. But then you have that bit where
• 20:55
  put your toppings like in prison, he ends up being sort of
• 20:58
  like Dynamic and one of Ireland's just stood there being
• 21:01
  so still and menacing and but yeah.
• 21:06
  So at the Talon did you say Talyn is that onion can do
• 21:12
  candle? Yeah, beautiful.
• 21:15
  Yeah, absolutely, beautiful. I thought I'm not sure this
• 21:18
  planet is particularly strong representative for women, but
• 21:24
  it's better than the planets will get in sort of like
• 21:27
  Hinchcliffe. Oh yeah, you're all even in even
• 21:31
  in so where there's a vague suggestion that women have died
• 21:35
  out in the future, you know? And then I just climbed.
• 21:38
  Yeah, You always very strange seeing traveling with a gun.
• 21:44
  Yeah, isn't it? Because they even when he has
• 21:46
  that, that weapon in the seeds of death is, you know, it's a
• 21:49
  whole real lash-up. But why is all around his neck
• 21:51
  and things like that, or with these these two bin Lids table.
• 21:55
  Look at you say, though, I think it's the killing people.
• 21:58
  I don't know. Really, he's so cheeky.
• 22:04
  I think Ronald Allen nose the whole time.
• 22:09
  Ronald Allen's play in, this is Frankenstein's monster.
• 22:15
  Yeah, you know, I don't need the credit will be here to look for
• 22:18
  that sort of point because you know, till we're done, done a
• 22:23
  comment on this in. You know, always points out how
• 22:27
  cadaverous the dominant as look especially Cinema makeup, as
• 22:30
  well as like this thick sort of Miracle under the eyes eyes,
• 22:34
  which is exactly what they did with them with Boris Karloff in
• 22:39
  Frankenstein movie, back in the 30s or he's kind of playing it
• 22:43
  very much that sort of Like stiff lumbering.
• 22:49
  And yeah, I think that probably is quite freaky in his watching.
• 22:55
  You know, and he does get angry. But really, I'm not going to
• 22:58
  call as before was one. No, because I don't think it is
• 23:01
  and you only have to watch that bastard's of death to see what
• 23:04
  an incredible actor is. Because it's very diverse, very,
• 23:07
  different role from this. I think he's doing a really good
• 23:09
  job in. This is why, because the little
• 23:11
  could be Stillness, isn't it? It's the statuesque - I think
• 23:16
  I've just made up that word. No, no, it's a word or there's
• 23:19
  no. It's the other guy, Kenneth Ives
• 23:24
  who is And I will sit down. Don't think either too much,
• 23:28
  whatever level up in the bridge between this?
• 23:29
  Okay. Well then let's have a little.
• 23:31
  Look at his eye of DP. You did pass away.
• 23:33
  Quite recently wasn't too long ago that we lost kind of those.
• 23:38
  I also say again, the physical effects and this thing of really
• 23:41
  impressive, they just fired that gun and massive lump on the wall
• 23:45
  blew out. The I'm Patrick troughton's.
• 23:47
  Hate the people think Sylvester McCoy, looks impressively cool.
• 23:52
  When he walks away from the ring in The second acts.
• 23:56
  Yes, Howard barely blinked yourself.
• 24:00
  No, but this is a story that's criticized for its look alike.
• 24:03
  It is yeah, it's a lot more stylish than people giving the
• 24:05
  previous and what you need to remember is it's we're seeing a
• 24:10
  black and white but when you look at the photos and it was
• 24:13
  all in color, I mean that dominate our ships all sort of
• 24:16
  greens and purples and there's a lot more color going on in here
• 24:20
  that we just can't see but so far.
• 24:22
  Yeah we've talked about like, vast cityscapes.
• 24:25
  We've talked about location work, big explosions.
• 24:29
  Is a bit of money and this was done the tail end of, I wasn't
• 24:32
  it. I know this one is 6, so the
• 24:34
  money was a little dry at this point.
• 24:36
  Yeah, it was determined. That would do this one and the
• 24:38
  main robber together. And then when it is, look at
• 24:41
  that fabulous, monorail behinds over there, honestly, I can see
• 24:45
  a train shooting off, or I can also say a boom mic on the
• 24:47
  backdrop and then might it's a space, make SPS, right?
• 24:56
  Yeah, that's right. Well, the know because they're
• 24:58
  talking a Oh, in this chamber. They need the mics up there.
• 25:01
  Just to do throw their voices. Oh, she's like these.
• 25:05
  These little trains. They go in.
• 25:09
  What's a shuttle Patrol craft store?
• 25:10
  So, is that going along? The what we just saw there, the
• 25:13
  chod, it's an actual like trouble.
• 25:16
  So it's, like, a proper like awkward just style, do actually
• 25:19
  see it, fly it. Yeah.
• 25:20
  It was it flying. I think we've talked over that
• 25:22
  bit again because the have to crush it later on because they
• 25:26
  realize that they're in the the shuttlecraft go.
• 25:29
  Back to Tools in Central and say, oh well, it's going to be
• 25:34
  like, dominators in Crocs are so they have to kind of like, Jimmy
• 25:39
  has to dangle the doctor by his feet.
• 25:41
  Oh, that's physical. Comedy is best as well that hair
• 25:44
  and there's a bit where he's tearing out all the circuitry at
• 25:47
  all. That.
• 25:48
  Yeah, that that I could from what I hear trying was a little
• 25:51
  bit unkind about this script and said yeah this one it is not the
• 25:54
  best of done but you can see is literally putting in Hundred and
• 25:59
  fifty percent yours is entertaining.
• 26:01
  As I think he's trying even harder here though, always does.
• 26:04
  And that's what I say about season 6 is that it is just
• 26:07
  fueled by by him and and freezer.
• 26:12
  And when d-pad Bri that they just keep this going and they
• 26:17
  keep it going to longer than and it turns out better than it.
• 26:21
  Probably should have done because of glue them through
• 26:24
  this cork design. Yeah, yeah, I want to talk about
• 26:29
  The sort of childlike and almost comic look of the quarks.
• 26:37
  I don't mean that as a criticism because I think this is leaning
• 26:41
  into the same sort of thing that they do with the troll doll in
• 26:45
  Terror of the autons. Yeah, and it's something the
• 26:47
  doctor who does extremely well. I think a lot people can look
• 26:49
  back on classical and go all those things just look fucking
• 26:52
  ridiculous. But kids were scared of this
• 26:56
  stuff at the time and I think the in Lawrence of something,
• 27:00
  absurd. Looking that actually?
• 27:03
  Yeah, you could laugh at here, you know what?
• 27:05
  It's going to blow your face off.
• 27:06
  Yep. I think that's really effective
• 27:09
  when you put the when you drop. Suppose two things yeah.
• 27:12
  Yeah, absolutely. It's it is that thing of
• 27:15
  something that does look and sounds childish as well?
• 27:19
  You know, it sounds cute. It looks cute, but he's
• 27:22
  definitely it Sinister though. Yeah, absolutely.
• 27:25
  Childlike voice sometimes when quick, he's coming down the
• 27:27
  corridor in Iraq. Hideaway.
• 27:30
  Yeah. No I think I think it's it's a
• 27:35
  clever a design than I ever gave her credit for.
• 27:37
  I just used to say I was just an egg box and gonna but I actually
• 27:40
  think it's visually appealing to children because of its
• 27:43
  Simplicity. Yeah it was I'll see how we're
• 27:46
  going to scan them now and see the too hot but it's another
• 27:51
  lovely shot, his hair Elixir, you know, walking around, you
• 27:55
  know, not just kind of stuck that you would have with like
• 27:57
  maybe zadar. Look, no, because you can't move
• 28:00
  it around all the tanks or But yeah, there's something about
• 28:04
  the Flappy arms as well coming out the quarks because I think
• 28:07
  that's something the kids can easily imitate.
• 28:09
  You can be a quark Gallery with your Flappy Arms.
• 28:13
  This is where we need say hot with these Taylor youth of how
• 28:17
  he used to play a Crocs in the playground.
• 28:19
  Is that true? I would imagine.
• 28:20
  So yeah I would imagine so so we're not in is not here today
• 28:25
  yet. So I'm going to say that
• 28:26
  actually happened in the wake of him being here.
• 28:29
  We'll just say that's true. That's true.
• 28:31
  Well used to go around Bit of string pretending, it was
• 28:33
  canine, you know, it's so cute. It just melts my heart every
• 28:39
  time he talks about, I'll look at these calls walking on
• 28:43
  occasion. They must look terrible trouble.
• 28:45
  You know, but again, you know, it's, you can get them out on
• 28:49
  location. If you think, you know what
• 28:51
  they're doing, Destiny of the Daleks to get qua.
• 28:54
  Daleks on you wish there was quarks.
• 28:56
  Imagine if that starlets versus quacks at night, instead of that
• 28:59
  would be an amazing ones. It Yeah, to get those Daleks in
• 29:04
  that quarry there, you can see the legs of the people, walking
• 29:07
  self-esteem Quarry of. I just made that lies very
• 29:11
  possible, the new all within, you know, the M25.
• 29:15
  Yeah, that sort of ring-road. I think that or think it's one,
• 29:19
  you can go and visit. So I think it is still a workin
• 29:23
  Quarry. So you can't, like you.
• 29:24
  Let me just turn up. And go, is it Gerald's cross
• 29:27
  where they did to of the son of man?
• 29:28
  Is it there and maybe that one? Yeah, I think it movie because
• 29:31
  actually, it looks very laudable, it's sort of reddish.
• 29:35
  Yeah, it looks more to me than than Destiny, just feelings more
• 29:39
  lucky than it's like a pebbly salt.
• 29:41
  Quarry. Do we believe Kali as this sort
• 29:44
  of teenage? It's that was supposed to be.
• 29:51
  It's supposed to be like he's not playing the James Dean
• 29:54
  character. I think he's more clear in the
• 29:55
  Bruce Willis character is more. The older sort of And person
• 30:02
  he's not like young and full of vim and vitality.
• 30:06
  What he is sort of like more mature and but still because of
• 30:11
  the way this Society is you know, 30 odd year old man is
• 30:14
  still the rebel youth. You know what I mean?
• 30:18
  You look at these data who's the council leader and he's
• 30:22
  considerably older so I think that's just the way the society
• 30:25
  is. It's it's like like Hobbits, you
• 30:27
  know, the Gage. Lastly think is an effective
• 30:33
  performers? I don't disbelieve are for Cox
• 30:36
  in the roll. Yeah, I think it's, you know,
• 30:39
  you've got to look at the society.
• 30:40
  Anything well, where is that, you know, John McClane going to
• 30:44
  come from? Where, where do they get that?
• 30:47
  The person that is going to be running up and down Hills
• 30:49
  lobbing grenades at quarks. It's not necessarily going to be
• 30:53
  a teenager. It is going to be I think
• 30:57
  people, I think people have a bit a trouble that like they
• 30:59
  kind of feel like it should be. Yeah, instead of this sort of
• 31:02
  middle-aged overweight, it's not going to be there because that
• 31:06
  the haven't got any anyone, like that.
• 31:08
  All of got is middle-aged looking, because of, the way,
• 31:11
  their society is, sitting around the outside.
• 31:13
  Neither. Exactly getting overweight.
• 31:16
  Yeah, this is, I mean, when you're in a society, the idea
• 31:19
  fullness to go onto your take a lemon squeezer and drive it onto
• 31:23
  a radioactive Island, you know that?
• 31:26
  Is the if that's all you've got for shits and giggles then you
• 31:30
  know your man that's going to be your big action here is going to
• 31:34
  be that type of coat of person is truly a wonderful line.
• 31:38
  Doesn't here. It goes, what am I talking
• 31:40
  about? They haven't paid me yet again.
• 31:42
  After, you know, a bad story for Cliffhangers, they blew the shit
• 31:48
  out of that set that humans over standing in a minute.
• 31:50
  Yeah, yeah, the ceiling falling in and everything.
• 31:52
  Yeah, yeah. It's it's, it's quite as well
• 31:56
  and a long. Isn't it?
• 31:57
  It's in no way as terrible as I perhaps perceived it to be in
• 32:03
  the past. I do.
• 32:05
  Are you ready for this? Are you ready to hear more about
• 32:07
  quickies Adventures? Yes I want to make a comeback
• 32:14
  now. He's very excited about this.
• 32:18
  Okay. Oh wow.
• 32:21
  Wait till you believe this this is an alternative Dimension that
• 32:24
  you're going to want to visit. So yeah.
• 32:26
  He skipped over to the alternative Dimension, where the
• 32:29
  quarks were the dominant power in the absence of the Daleks,
• 32:33
  right? But we'll set.
• 32:37
  It didn't stay very long. Now, apparently, there was a
• 32:40
  battle with the Croton Imperium, only the ogron Confederation
• 32:45
  area got a bit dicey, so he skipped out of there.
• 32:48
  Pretty quickly lay me that fan wank for God's sakes.
• 32:53
  That's an actual story. You know, that's a that's a
• 32:56
  Comic strip. I mean, I always see quarks or
• 33:00
  croutons. What exactly the?
• 33:02
  Yeah, that's big. Correct.
• 33:03
  Default question you when people ask me any question about Doctor
• 33:05
  Who is a quack, quacks our croutons?
• 33:07
  Or maybe that's why they were at war with the hang on quickly.
• 33:10
  Is this why they were at war in the alternative Universe?
• 33:12
  Are they? In fact, the quarks an offshoot
• 33:14
  of the protons he said don't be ridiculous.
• 33:17
  Well, bugger off, then honestly, if you know, they say no news, I
• 33:20
  wasn't expecting currently to be Anna.
• 33:23
  Could only grant me the or grand.
• 33:25
  I think he was in that water. Ernie of universe, you know he
• 33:27
  was like the leader of the war, they called the ogron
• 33:30
  Confederation. It's yeah, actually that's only
• 33:35
  been emperor of those. I mean I will say one thing that
• 33:38
  is the wackiest thing are possibly ever read that in my
• 33:41
  life. However it is wonderful.
• 33:43
  How Doctor Who inspires the creativity of people's
• 33:47
  imagination. Yeah.
• 33:50
  Fraser are you ready? Skipping to have so free.
• 33:56
  Ready. As I'm ever gonna be okay.
• 33:58
  It's stupid. Do it.
• 33:56
  Ready. As I'm ever gonna be okay.
• 33:58
  It's stupid. Do it.