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Hello and welcome to a special bonus episode of Fraggle Talk
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Back to the Rock, the unofficial Fraggle Rock podcast brought to
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you by toughpigs.com. This is usually the podcast
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where we talk about Fraggle Rock Back to the Rock, along with all
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the talented folks who helped put the show together.
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I am your host, silly creature Joe Hennes.
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This month, the Jim Menson Company is sending the Fraggles
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into the real world with Fraggle Rock Back to the Rock live.
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The tour, which kicks off on January 18th, zigzags across the
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United States and Canada over the course of four months and
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hopefully coming to a town near you.
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Joining me to talk about this event series is the show's
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writer, director, choreographer and voice actor John Tartaglia.
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Hello, John. Hi, Joe.
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Hi, everybody. So excited to talk to you about
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this. It's such a a treat to get to
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geek out about something fraggly beyond just the show, and I'm
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sure that everyone has a ton of questions about what's Fraggle
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Rock Live is going to entail. So first of all, let's start
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with the big question, which is what is Fraggle Rock?
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Back to the Rock Live. It is a live experience with the
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Fraggles. It's kind of I would say it's in
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the vein of those classic, you know, these characters are going
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on tour stage shows. And the real hope was to for the
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first time in 40 something years, bring these characters
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into, you know, the hometowns of of kids and parents and all
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Fraggle fans. So, you know, it was kind of it
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was amazing to me that in, you know, 40 something years of
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Fraggle, you know, love that has existed that that they've never
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gone on tour before. And so it would seem like the
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perfect time to do this with, you know, back to the rock, you
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know, in its second season and all the love we've gotten for
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that. And then now there's this brand
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new generation of kids that are growing up with Fraggle Rock,
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you know, in addition to all of us fans.
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So it just felt like the right time to to finally do this.
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You're right, that's it's an interesting thing that there's
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been obviously Sesame Street live and even the Muppet Show
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live, you know, way back in the day, but never a Fraggle Rock
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show. That's pretty exciting.
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You get to be like the first ones to really bring that to
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life. Yeah, I think, you know, it's in
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talking to like Karen Pearl and folks like that.
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I think that there was a real once originally to, you know,
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keep the the lore as much as possible, you know, and not put
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the fraggles out on the road in our in our world.
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But I think now people really want to connect with these
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characters. They really want to see them if
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they want to meet them, you know, and I think with the new
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series, it's kind of got even more of a up for for our
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youngest audience members. It's got, you know, a real need
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to connect with these characters and to get that hug red Fraggle.
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I get to wave to Moki and get to, you know, laugh along with
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Wembley live. And I think also right now we
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all need live theater. We these live, you know,
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experiences for community and connection, which is also what
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the show's all about. So it just kind of felt like the
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perfect opportunity to bring Fraggle fans together, new and
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old, and to really celebrate the, the incredible music in the
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show and, and the fact that the Fraggles work really well.
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They're they're, they've always been so comedy jam packed and I
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feel like getting to laugh together in the theater at the
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Fraggles with them. It's just it's a very special
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thing that we think we all kind of need in 2025.
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Oh my God I couldn't agree more. I mean just generally speaking
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we need more fraggles in 2025. But but.
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You're right. Getting to see them live, you
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know, not just streaming or on DVD or Blu-ray, it's, it's such
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a treat to get to kind of evolve our, our love of the Fraggles
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this year in that way. What was the, the impetus for
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this idea? Who who started the whole like,
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hey, maybe we should do a a live show?
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Well, this is going to shock you, Joe, but I am a squeaky
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wheel sometimes. And when I, when I kind of took
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on the position of, of creative supervisor for Fraggle, I, you
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know, be obviously having a theater background, you know,
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theater is always like one of the first things in my brain
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when I wake up in the morning. And it just felt like, wait a
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minute, this is something that has never been done before.
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And this is the perfect show to do it with.
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And, you know, now we have all this beautiful music from, from,
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you know, Harvey Mason junior and his team, these reimaginings
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of the classic songs, you know, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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And, and I just got really excited at at the idea of being
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able. I think maybe it was like
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fulfilling the seven-year old fan in my heart as a kid.
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Like, I would have lost my mind when I became a fan of the
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Fraggle Rock originally to go and see the Fraggles live and
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meet the Fraggles and see them in person.
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So I think it was kind of that little, that little Johnny was
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kind of driving this the entire time.
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But I think as soon as it got brought up at the company in a
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way to kind of, you know, expand the franchise and get it out
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there, everyone got really excited.
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And it was like, yeah, we should do that.
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That's never happened before. It's great.
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And as the writer of the special, excuse me, of the of
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the live show, is there anything that you can tell us about the
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story? Well, you know what we talked a
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lot about like what we wanted it to be and is it a concert of
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frag, you know, just Fraggle songs?
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Is it is it, you know, taking a familiar story and just, you
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know, expanding it for the stage.
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And the more we thought about it, it was like, let's make this
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like, you know, an original story unique to Fraggle Rock,
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because that's the beautiful thing about Fraggle Rock,
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because around, you know, down the tunnel around the corner is
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another adventure, another cave to explorer.
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And let's kind of add to the lore of Fraggle Rock.
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So we really go on an adventure in the way that you would in the
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series where there is, you know, brand new creatures to meet and
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familiar music. And you're going to get your
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your dose of Gorgs and dozers and maybe even the trashy might
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make it appearance. OK.
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And lots of other fun, lots of other fun surprises.
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But we're going we're going to new locations, new caves, places
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we've never been before. But you'll also get to see the
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Great Hall. You'll get to see the things
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that you love about the show, but with some new experiences.
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So in my brain, it's kind of like a live episode of the show.
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I guess that's how I would say. Awesome.
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Yeah, that's perfect too, because I think that's what
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people want. They want to see the thing that
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they already love just kind of expanded in front of them.
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Speaking of things that are things that they love that are
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expanded, let's talk about these costumes.
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The costumes look incredible. We got a tease of them that
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these amazing live body Fraggle performers.
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Why did you choose to go with costumes and not puppets?
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Well, we went back and forth on that too.
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And I think what we realized was, you know, if we're going to
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translate this from television to live theater, you know, you
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want to utilize what works best in a live space and the
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opportunity for these Fraggles to really dance and really move.
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And you know, when you get to see the Fraggles full body on
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camera, it's, you know, 3 or 4 puppeteers and we're in blue
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screen and there's, you know, we can do a lot, but there's only
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so much we can do. You can't really get the
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Fraggles to fully turn around or to do, you know, everything you
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want them to do. And when you have, you know, a
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live performer in a costume, you know, they can do anything and
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go everywhere. And I think I think also it, you
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know, it's been proven by Sesame Street Live and Muppet Show
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Live, like you said that like that's such a really successful
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way to translate these characters.
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And then we thought, OK, what's really excited about that is
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then then you could get to upscale everything, which also
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makes it very theatrical. So the Doozers, which you know,
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have always existed in these little 6 inch animatronic
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beautiful puppets. And now we get to move them up
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to kind of Fraggle scale hand puppet size.
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And then you get to take the Gorgs who have always been a
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kind of walk around costume size in real life, even though just
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be like 18 feet tall. You get to expand them to how do
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they work in this world. So it just kind of started to
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get really excited, exciting to think about, you know, when
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you're sitting in the theater and you're watching the show and
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the Fraggles are now, you know, setting kind of the scale of the
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world. Everything else gets to adjust
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around that and you get to kind of really make everything super
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theatrical. Yeah, and, and Speaking of
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someone who has seen live puppetry a lot in theater,
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especially things like, you know, The Muppets live at the
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Hollywood Bowl or the Carnegie Hall show that you were involved
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with. When you're sitting up in the
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balcony, especially some of the smaller characters, like you're
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squinting, like, I think that's supposed to be Pepe out there,
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but how would you know? And this way it's like, yeah,
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they're right in front of you. It doesn't matter if you're you
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know where your seat is, you're going to get that that great
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experience without feeling like like it's not enough.
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Yeah, and I think, I think it also just from a, you know, it
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opens up from a directing point of view, it opens up the the
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world because we're not limited to having to always hide A
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puppeteer behind something or having to always justify a
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puppeteer. You know, it's, it's like these
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characters can literally jump and spin and twirl and do fancy
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combinations and run and do anything we need them to do
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without any physical limitations, which is really
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exciting. Actually Speaking of physical
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limitations, like have there been some with with those?
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I mean, I know they're, they're basically, they look like,
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they're basically big body suits with the the puppet head.
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But have there been other things that you can't do with them
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because they're big, fragile costumes?
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Well, I think it's it's less things you do and more just
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adapting to what they do best, right?
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So I mean, they have lip sync. They have beautiful mechanized
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mouths that, you know, again, in the vein of like a Sesame Street
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live, which is such a beautiful way to bring the characters to
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life in that way. So you still get that puppy feel
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in the heads, but you're obviously you have a dancer in
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there performing that. I think, you know, obviously
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vision is a thing, right? You have to be really cognizant
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of like that everyone can see safely.
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So we have a lot of conversations about, you know,
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how are you seeing and and you know, do you need do this piece
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of glow tape to be bigger so you can really see that mark when
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the lighting is a certain way. So those limitations come up,
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but you know, they don't feel so much as like limitations and
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more just adjustments because again, if they were puppets, I
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would be limited in a different way, right.
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So, so it's just kind of it, I guess it's like anything.
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It's like figuring out what are the, you know, how does this,
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how does this make it easier? And how does this make it more
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difficult than just finding that healthy in between that you go
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back and forth with? As the choreographer, did you
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feel it necessary to get yourself into one of the the
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costumes just to to feel it for yourself?
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Well, that's what I feel unique about.
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I can contribute to the show because I was a a, a character
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costume before where I was. I used to work at Sesame Place
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when I was younger. So for four years I was in those
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costumes and like, I know them very well.
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I know what it feels like to, you know, to dance a full out
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number and try to get your breath back.
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I know how hot it can be. I know how hard it is to see.
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And, you know, so I think that that has allowed me to, you
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know, create something that that I would, I would feel OK doing,
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you know what I mean? And ask, ask the performers.
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I know that if I was in a costume, I would be OK doing
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this. So I can feel OK asking you
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that, you know, But I can also relate to, you know, when
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everyone was learning the show, like how difficult it can be to.
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It's hard enough to learn the show as a performer.
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It's add on top of that the fact that you're wearing these
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costumes that you have to see, you know, your vision's limited
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and you have to think about, you know, moving your hand to make
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the mouth move on all the syllables, like all those extra
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things that we take for granted when we see one of these shows.
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But yeah, having that experience when I was younger, I think kind
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of, you know, I had no idea that one day I'd be doing this, but I
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think it prepared me to be able to, to do this hopefully in a
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way that feels right for the performers.
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And again, as the choreographer, I know that you did a lot of the
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choreography, if not almost all of it, the Back to the Rock
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show. Was it a challenge to kind of
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update the way that the Fraggles move from puppet to human
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performers, or was it basically just like, Nope, they're two
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different animals, I could do choreography for both, let's
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just change it up. What was that like for you?
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It's so funny because I think in some ways there's pluses and,
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and, and minuses on both sides, right?
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Like, you know, with puppets, you can do sillier things like
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pop in and out instantly and you can, you know, you can do these
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really slick movements that are really strong because your hands
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can move much quicker than your full body can.
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And you know, even just doing head motions, right, Like with a
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puppet, it's just your wrist, you know what I mean?
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And so those that those movements don't necessarily
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translate well to human bodies that have to think about
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gravity. And you know, you can't pop in
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and out out of nowhere. You need to hide your body
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somewhere and that you can't just popping upside down things
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that we love to do on the show all the time.
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So it was really just kind of saying, what can these, what can
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this version of the Fraggles do the best?
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And what are some things we can take so that the character
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costume performers, they're all so dedicated.
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They love the show so much. They love the original series
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and back to the Rock. And they just kind of immersed
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themselves into watching all the episodes.
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And we've we've, they've been really great about taking little
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things that we do with the characters on the TV show and
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try to translate that to the, to the costumes.
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So, you know, like Boober crossing his arms on the series
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or, you know, one of the iconic kind of Boober photo puppet
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poses where he's got his arms behind his back and he's looking
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down at his foot. Like, you know, our performer
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has been putting that into the show.
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And like the person who performs Gobo is like finding little
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things I do with Gobo when he's listening and putting those in.
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And, you know, 1 of Moki's kind of iconic dance moves that Donna
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Kimble does with the character and back to the rock we put into
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the show. So we're trying to find ways to
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like, really honor what you're familiar with.
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And then you're like, oh, but in this version, you get to see
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like all the characters high kick over their heads and you
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get to see, you know, them do like triple turns and things
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that, again, we could never do on the series, you know, easily.
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So it's it's, yeah, it's kind of finding enough familiarity that
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the characters feel familiar in their physicality, but then kind
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of expanding what they can do in this version of them.
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That's great. And then you don't have to worry
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about things like, you know, hiring actors who can defy
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gravity because there's so much more that you could do.
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Believe me, if we could have put them upside down on stage, I
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would have figured out a way. But you know, that's maybe devil
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I'm. Yeah, the next show, the next
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show we'll we'll get them up in the.
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Rafters, yeah. Absolutely.
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So you you mentioned we're going to be seeing the Fraggle 5,
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we're going to see the the doosers, we're going to see
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Junior Gore, we're going to see hopefully see the trash heap.
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Are are we going to be seeing any other fragile characters
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like traveling Mats or Pogie or anyone else from the show?
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You are, you are. I can't give it too much away,
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but they we we really tried to make it feel like a full
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episode. So you get all the elements you
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love of a television episode of the show, but then also like
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little cameos, little surprises you know you should be.
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I would say that if you're a Fraggle fan, hopefully you'll
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walk away feeling like you got to see all your friends live on
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stage in some way or another. That's great.
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And then what about Dock and Sprocket?
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Did they make the cut for for the stage show?
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I'll just say they're there. There's a tribute to them.
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Oh great. How about that?
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That's totally fair. Yes.
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It would be weird to have like a human on stage with the Fraggle,
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so I get that. Yeah.
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I would love to see Lily Cooper do a live Fraggle Rock show so
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maybe the next one will get her in there.
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You know what I mean? She's one of the busiest people
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on Broadway and and you know, as you know, is in demand.
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So listen, if we can get her to come out with the Fraggles and
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maybe we'll do like a live, you know, Fraggle music tour with
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Lily Cooper as this as the lead vocalist.
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I would I would go see that. Oh my gosh, yeah.
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Well, I don't know why you're not working on.
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Why are you wasting time talking to me?
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Go go plan that. What do you think I'm doing
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after this? Come on.
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It sounds like, also correct me if I'm wrong, that you're also
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kind of putting in some Easter eggs for the fans.
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Is that right? Yes, yeah, there's some
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references in the show and some little.
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If you keep your eyes open, you'll see certain things.
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And you know, certainly there's some wonderful, you know, Boober
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ends up being, in my opinion, like he's such a comedy gold
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mine in the show because he's so useful for like, you know,
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references either out to the audience or kind of a sides, you
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know, because we we break the 4th wall in this a little bit
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more than we do on the television series.
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So and Dave, of course, Dave Goals is the most brilliant, you
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know, character actor ever, performer ever.
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So he threw in a lot of really fun things.
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And, you know, if you're a Henson fan, there's one little
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nod to you in the show. So yeah, we really wanted it to
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be a celebration. One of the things Nicole and I
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talked a lot about was, you know, this is not only a
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celebration of frag rock, it's also a celebration of Jim Henson
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and puppetry. You know, so you're getting to
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see different kinds of puppetry. You're getting to, you know, to
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really believe in the in a Jim Henson world, kind of the best
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rate of what Jim did with great music and great characters and
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great lore and, and, you know, you know, magical realms, I
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mean, frackle rock kind of covers all that.
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So we felt like it was an opportunity to also just really
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make it a Henson puppity magical show.
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I'm glad to hear that too, because I think one concern that
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a lot of what fans have is, you know, it looks like it's a, you
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know, it is an all ages show, but it looks like it's a show
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mainly for for the younger audiences, which is fine.
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You know, we, we understand, you know, who the demographic is,
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But there's a lot of us who are adult fans and especially a lot
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of adult fans who don't have kids who are going to be
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interested in seeing the show and, you know, want to make sure
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that it's not just like a well, you have to put yourself in the,
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you know, the, the five year old's shoes.
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It's like, no, there's something there for us too.
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It's good to know. No, that's actually, you know,
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and that's kind of how I operate as a theater person anyways.
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I really believe the most impactful theater is one that
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you can see with your family in totality and that it doesn't
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feel because I've been, you know, to the shows with like my
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little sister when she was younger and things of that where
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you're just like, I'm going to pull my hair out if I have to
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listen to this farmer in Adele one more time, you know, and and
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there's there's value to that. Of course there is.
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But I think we wanted this to be a great first theater experience
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for kids if if this is their first experience.
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But it's written, you know, as a Fraggle fan, you know, it's
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written in that same vein where it really is what the show has
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always done best, which is it's something for everybody.
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And so, you know, you definitely won't feel out of place seeing
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the show. You know, as someone without
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kids, it's the opposite. I think you'll feel very much
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like the show is your, is your opportunity to, you know, sit in
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that world of Fraggle magic and take something out of it.
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And your 4 year old, 5 year old little sister, little brother,
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niece, cousin, whoever will love it too.
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Because, you know, it's engaging and it's interactive and, you
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know, it's so musical. So, yeah, I, I, I kind of, you
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know, I like to think that it's a show that if I went as a
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Fraggle fan at my age today, I would love.
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But also, you know, the 6-7 year old who found the show as a kid
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would have lost his mind at the same time seeing it.
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So that that's what we've been going for.
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Fantastic. One thing that I'm really
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excited about is the merch table.
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Can you talk a little bit about what kind of merchandise we're
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going to see at the at the show? Yeah, we have some unique
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things. I'm not sure if I can give
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specifics yet, but sure we have. We have a really beautiful
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souvenir program that's got all sorts of fun Fraggle stuff in
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there and information and behind the scenes stuff.
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We've got buttons, we've got magnets, we've got beautiful
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drawstring bags. The plush will be there.
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We've got books. We've got awesome light up, kind
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of fraggly microphones. There's a lot of really fun
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unique things that are branded to the live show and feature.
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Oh, we have postcards of the characters and on the back you
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can actually address it to Uncle Matt if you want.
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So great. There's a lot of really fun.
19:53
You know, we wanted it to really feel like that experience also
19:56
goes out there. Plus, you know, we have the
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opportunity to meet the Fraggles after the show as part of the
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VIP meet and greet. So you get some really fun
20:02
one-on-one Fraggle time and a special picture with a backdrop
20:06
and and everything. So, you know, we really wanted
20:09
this to be like. If you're a fragile fan, you get
20:11
to really immerse yourself in the whole thing.
20:14
Fantastic. What do you see as the next
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phase of the show after it's done?
20:21
Maybe, maybe Broadway? You got a little experience with
20:25
that yourself? God, Can you imagine?
20:28
I mean, I think what's been so exciting is like, you know,
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we're going out for these initial first months and then,
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you know, our, our hope and our goal is to continue it on and
20:37
keep taking the show out. And I think the love that it's
20:39
gotten from from, you know, theaters and venues across the
20:42
country and, and places we can't say yet, but like that we were
20:46
like thrilled to hear that they were so excited that the
20:48
possibility of welcoming the Fraggles there.
20:52
It just kind of, you know, it's what we all know about the show,
20:55
which is that it's just, it's just it's this rare thing where
20:58
it's like, you know, multiple generations have grown up with
21:01
it and have this like soft spot in their hearts for it.
21:04
And, you know, I think it shows not only how important the show
21:08
is still, but also that like how much the world needs it,
21:11
especially in this live way. Like we all want to escape this
21:14
crazy world we live in right now for a couple of hours and go sit
21:17
in the world of frackle Rock. So, you know, to answer your
21:20
question, I think that there's it may pop up in unexpected
21:22
places that could be very exciting.
21:24
Well, that's that, that's. A good tease.
21:26
Good tease. Well, John, I, I'm so grateful
21:30
that you are expanding the world of Fraggle Rock beyond just the
21:33
show. Can you, can you tease anything
21:37
else that might be coming up in the world of Fraggles beyond
21:39
just the show? I mean, you know what I'm going
21:41
to say to you, Joe, which is I can't tell you much, but you
21:45
know, I got to ask. Oh, I, I tell you what, No, I'll
21:51
just say that there's a lot of really exciting things that are
21:54
happening as we speak. A lot of it, you know, has not
21:58
been talked about yet, but it will be.
22:00
I have Nicole sitting next to me.
22:01
So I'm being very careful when I say, but honestly, like, I
22:06
think, you know, there's that there's that great line that Red
22:09
says in I think the second episode of the back to the Rock
22:12
where she's like, what a time to be a Fraggle.
22:14
And I kind of feel as, as a lifelong fan, you know, I, I, I
22:18
do feel like that's true. I feel like there, there's so
22:20
much passion at the company to make these characters and make
22:24
this world continue on in different ways.
22:26
And there's a lot of exciting stuff happening.
22:29
So I'll just, I'll just say that, yes, there are some
22:30
surprises coming very soon that I think everyone's going to be
22:33
very happy about. In fact, I'll say this, I'll say
22:35
this. When you come to the live show,
22:39
there is something, there's an Easter egg that kind of gives
22:41
away something that's coming. And that's all I can say.
22:44
OK, so you come as a Fraggle fan and come through the live show?
22:47
Great. All right.
22:48
That's all I can say. Then everyone who's listening to
22:51
this, go to fragglerocklive.com and see when the show is coming
22:56
near you. It's going to be running across
22:58
the country and across Canada from January through May and
23:03
hopefully it's coming near you. I know I'll be seeing it pretty
23:06
soon. I'm really excited to see what
23:08
what you guys have in store for us.
23:10
Yeah, and you know what, I think my feeling is like let's make
23:13
the Fraggle fans thing like Taylor Swift fans, like where we
23:15
have like the friendship braces, like let's do like Fraggle Rock
23:17
live meet ups and everyone go out to Fraggle Rock dinners
23:20
together like we want to. And I want to see that stuff,
23:21
like post it. We want to see like what the
23:23
fans are doing to celebrate it. Yes, that's such a great idea.
23:26
Well, John, thank you again so much for taking the time to talk
23:29
about Fraggle Rock Live with us. I'm really excited about the
23:31
show. I think it's going to be fun.
23:32
I can't wait to see what you guys have in store for us.
23:35
Thank you. I just want to give one quick
23:36
shout out to all the amazing performers that are working on
23:38
the show. They're working their tails off,
23:40
no pun intended, or maybe a pun intended.
23:42
And and they care so desperately about these characters and
23:45
bringing them to life. So just a big shout out to all
23:47
of them because they're they're the most amazing company we
23:49
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