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Speaker 1: Jeez is the bold reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, a spokesman of the Aboriginal tribe that has banned
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Speaker 2: welcomes the country. A serious dictator flees to Russia as
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Speaker 2: his bloody regime falls. I think we should thank Israel
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Speaker 2: for that as well. Also tonight, a new poll rds
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albinizi as the weakest prime minister as ever measured.
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Speaker 2: And Donald Trump's great new colognead having a dig at
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's wife the first something extremely serious. Nothing I
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Speaker 2: have heard today is good enough. Nothing even comes close
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Speaker 2: to addressing our great sickness, which I have to say
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Speaker 2: is the kind of sickness we saw with the rise
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Speaker 2: of the Nazis. I don't exaggerate. We've had Jews here
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Speaker 2: attacked with fists and rocks, houses and cars, paid with
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Speaker 2: threats and abuse, Anti Israel protesters openly chanting that they're
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Speaker 2: coming for the Jews. Last Wednesday, angry protesters outside Sydney's
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Speaker 2: Great Synagogue, forcing the security lockdown of Jews inside. And
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Speaker 2: on Friday, Theodoff Synagogue in Melbourne's Corefield firebombed in.
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Speaker 1: The early morning.
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Speaker 2: The two worshipers inside the religious treasures destroyed. This holy
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Speaker 2: place gutted, as you'll see in Cherry show here at
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Speaker 2: eight pm, Jews left terrified and abandoned, gathering outside in
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Speaker 2: shock and anger. Yet our Prime minister still has not
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Speaker 2: visited this synagogue and on Saturday even played tennis instead
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Speaker 2: in Perth. Anthony Albernezi today pleaded prior engagements.
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Speaker 3: If I wasn't playing tennis on Saturday morning, yeah, that
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Speaker 3: is wrong. I had. I had six appointments on Saturday
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Speaker 3: after they had concluded, laid in the afternoon, I did
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Speaker 3: some exercise.
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Speaker 2: Now more seriously, it took two and a half days
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Speaker 2: for the Prime Minis to even admit yesterday finally that
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Speaker 2: this attack did look like a terrorist incident. It took
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Speaker 2: until today for the Victoria police to finally agree.
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Speaker 4: At that time the decision was it did not at
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Speaker 4: that stage reach the threshold to be declared such an incident.
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Speaker 4: I am very confident that we now have had an attack,
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Speaker 4: a terrorist attack.
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Speaker 2: Now please tell us they're now looking for three suspects,
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Speaker 2: and we're finally hearing labor leaders say, well, they're taking
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Speaker 2: this extremely serious. Look. You had promises today from Victoria's premier,
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Speaker 2: more police patrols, more money or some money to help
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Speaker 2: rebuild a synagogue. Anthony Albneasy promising a federal police task
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Speaker 2: force just in twenty semitism, he said, for once, not
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Speaker 2: adding and Islamophobia.
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Speaker 3: I can also announce that we have established AFP Special
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Speaker 3: Operation Abolite for anti Semitism. This is in response to
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Speaker 3: the attack class Friday morning, that is now the third
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Speaker 3: arson attack after the attack on Josh Burn's electorate office
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Speaker 3: and the Sydney Willara Ka incident.
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Speaker 2: Now this task force is going to look at attacks
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Speaker 2: and threats and calls for genocide of Jews, etcetera, and ambanies,
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Speaker 2: he said. It's also going to give thirty two million
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Speaker 2: dollars to the booth security of Jewish community sites, including synagogues
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Speaker 2: and schools, which you know, fine as far as it goes,
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Speaker 2: but it's still not a serious enough response. It's still
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Speaker 2: not enough because the priority here is not simply to
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Speaker 2: hand money to rebuild synagogues being burned down. It's not
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Speaker 2: to turn every Jewish school and kindergarten and synagogue into
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Speaker 2: some sort of armed fortress.
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Speaker 1: It's to stop.
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Speaker 2: People even wanting to burn down synagogues in the first place,
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Speaker 2: isn't it Honestly, it's to do what even the Albanies
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Speaker 2: he governs.
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Speaker 1: Attorney General this.
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Speaker 2: Morning admitted to tackle the worst Jew hatred that he'd
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Speaker 2: ever seen here. The number of anti Jewish incidents are
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Speaker 2: skyrocketing under his own government's watch.
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Speaker 5: I've been in the Parliament for a long time, Michael,
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Speaker 5: and I've never experienced the kind of vile anti Semitic
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Speaker 5: hate speech that's been directed at my colleagues, at me
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Speaker 5: simply because I am a Jew. Now that's got to stop.
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Speaker 1: Mark. Good to hear from you, mate.
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Speaker 2: To Finally, but what has your government done about all that,
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Speaker 2: other than to make that Jew hatred worse by demonizing
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Speaker 2: Israel and pandering to Muslim extremists and the hard left.
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Speaker 2: What has your government done, I'll tell you it has
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Speaker 2: become the first Australian government ever to be damned by
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Speaker 2: Israel but praise by Jew killing Hamas terrorists. It's extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Damned by Israel, praise by terrorists. Remember they am as
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Speaker 2: Political Bureau even thanked Albanesi's government for signing a statement
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Speaker 2: demanding Israel stop finding the terrorists slaughtered twelve hundred Jews
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Speaker 2: on October seven. Terrorists still hold about one hundred hostage.
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Speaker 6: The statement by Canada, Australia and the New Zealand backing
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Speaker 6: sustainable seas fire in Gaza. We welcome the essay developments
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Speaker 6: and considered them in the right direction to our isolation
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Speaker 6: the fascist, fascist Israeli government globally.
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Speaker 2: Oh thank you prime minist for isolating that fascist Israel seriously.
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Speaker 2: And now Israel's Prime Minist of Benjaminetta, who's actually blamed
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Speaker 2: the Abdize governments and Israel latitude for the fire bombing
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Speaker 2: of the synagogue praise by Hamas attacked by Israel. What
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Speaker 2: more is it going to take to make every single
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Speaker 2: labor and p realize that Anthony has made a terrible
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Speaker 2: mistake that is going to shame labor for a generation.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't see Jews harassing Muslims. You don't
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Speaker 2: see Jews outside the Sydney Opera house charting if the Muslims,
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Speaker 2: where's the Muslims. You don't see rabbis preaching that Muslims
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Speaker 2: are descended from pigs and apes. But you do see
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Speaker 2: Muslims and pro Palestine activists doing all that and more
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Speaker 2: to Jews. Some were holding threatening protests agous Synagogue's a
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Speaker 2: year ago already and just this difference alone should tell
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Speaker 2: alban Easy we are in the battle for our civilization.
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Speaker 2: Forget Israel, forget Palestine. Just look here how the pro
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Speaker 2: Palestine people are protesting. Compare it to how Jews are protesting.
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Speaker 2: It's like muscle and threats versus reason. And you tell
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Speaker 2: me which of those two threatens us most. It's so obvious.
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Speaker 2: I don't even need to say. I mean, Albaniz, he
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Speaker 2: should have defended our civilization. He should have demanded action
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Speaker 2: against hate preaching imams, against the pro Palestinian thugs who've
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Speaker 2: been shutting our streets and occupying campuses, and against the
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Speaker 2: university academics openly backing Hamas. He did not even do this,
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Speaker 2: minimum did worse. Instead of defending Australia his interests, our
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister defended labors. He decided to applicate Muslim and
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Speaker 2: hardleafre photos who threatened labour sees and so, for instance,
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Speaker 2: he banned former israel israeted Justice mister ale Shaked from
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Speaker 2: coming here and had ausral vote against Israel in the
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Speaker 2: United Nations. This assisted on moving right now to a
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Speaker 2: two state solution an Israel alongside the Palaestinian nation. Even
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Speaker 2: though the only groups likely to run Palistine are terrorists
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Speaker 2: and despots. And even though demanding this now looks like
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Speaker 2: rewarding a muscle slaughtering Jews now ready and always, Albaneze
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Speaker 2: has made Israel seeing the villain, and Jews now are
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Speaker 2: paying for it. Albaneze, he should instead of trying to
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Speaker 2: turn off the tap of this great hatred.
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Speaker 1: And I'll give you just one example.
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Speaker 2: Have you noticed that Tony Burke, the Home Fairs Minister
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Speaker 2: in charge of an immigration program, He's been almost invisible
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Speaker 2: since this fire bombing is issue, just two tweets about
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Speaker 2: it and a three sentence statement saying he hopes please
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Speaker 2: find the arsonists, and he stood completely silent this afternoon
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Speaker 2: at the Prime Minister's press conference. He hasn't visited the
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Speaker 2: Ardas Synagogue either, but on Thursday evening, a few hours
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Speaker 2: before that fire bombing, he did say he was fast
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Speaker 2: striking humanitarian visas for eight hundred Muslims from Hamas run Gaza.
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Speaker 2: I ask you, how is that likely? Do his tensions here?
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Speaker 2: In fact, why hasn't Burke done the very opposite? Why
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Speaker 2: hasn't he thrown out others we've taken in from Gaza
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Speaker 2: extremists like Mohammed Sharab, who's protested in Melbourne against Israel
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Speaker 2: with a Hama's logo on his chest, the logo of
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Speaker 2: a prescribed terrorist organization that he says openly he supports.
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Speaker 7: Long live the Resistance, Long lived Hamas.
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Speaker 3: This.
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Speaker 2: Mohammed Sharab has also pleaded guilty to assaulting a Jewish
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Speaker 2: journalist and was filmed at another protest calling for armed
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Speaker 2: resistance and death to America. With our immigration program, lets
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Speaker 2: in people like him and lets them stay. It's no
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Speaker 2: wonder to me that some Jews will wonder what has
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Speaker 2: become of our Australia. So yes, what is this government
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Speaker 2: going to do about immigration from Muslim countries, about the
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Speaker 2: hate preaching sheikhs, about its own demonization of Israel. I've
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Speaker 2: heard nothing about any of that today, and until I do,
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Speaker 2: I know that Jews here are not safe and will
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Speaker 2: not be.
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Speaker 1: For a long time.
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Speaker 2: Yet join me a Benjamin Klin, a board member of
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Speaker 2: the Adusk Synagogue which was far bombed, and federal liberal
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Speaker 2: Julian Lisa, who is also Jewish. Although this really, when
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Speaker 2: I say that, I'm embarrassed, because this should be of
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Speaker 2: concern to everyone. Whatever their faith. Honestly, this is just
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Speaker 2: so infuriated. But anyway, Benjamin Klein, can you tell me
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Speaker 2: about your synagogue? What does that mean to your community?
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Speaker 2: And what have you lost?
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Speaker 7: Sure?
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Speaker 8: So the synagogue was created seventy years ago after the Holocaust.
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Speaker 8: It was a synagogue built by Holocaust survivors with their
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Speaker 8: bare hands and built up really a beacon of lights
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Speaker 8: for within the Jewish community. It's an essential focal point
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Speaker 8: for the community, and it's a place where spends a
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Speaker 8: huge amount of time every day in the synagogue praying
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Speaker 8: and learning. And really to see that ripped from us
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Speaker 8: is something which is a lot more than just a
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Speaker 8: building ripped away from us. It's really an icon and
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Speaker 8: a center of our world.
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Speaker 2: Now you find it, Benjamin, built after a great hatred
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Speaker 2: in Germany and destroyed in a great hatred right here?
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Speaker 2: Do you feel something, you know, very ominous going on here?
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Speaker 8: I do, Andrew. And in fact, on Saturday, when we
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Speaker 8: had to move the prayers to another location where we
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Speaker 8: had prayers because our synagogue is burnt down, and the
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Speaker 8: prayers we included different songs which they sang in the
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Speaker 8: cattle cars on the way to als Schwitz. They sang
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Speaker 8: a song composed called Annie Marmin and really we sang
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Speaker 8: those same songs this weekend just to give us strength
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Speaker 8: that like we came out of that stronger, we will
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Speaker 8: come out of this bigger and stronger.
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Speaker 2: Also, Oh, Benjamin, geez, that's what an anecdote, that is,
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Speaker 2: Julian Julian Lisa. The response from the state and federal
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Speaker 2: governments has been we'll send more police, we'll give some
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Speaker 2: money to help rebuild a synagogue, we'll provide more security
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Speaker 2: for other Jewish sites, and as of this afternoon, we're
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Speaker 2: going to have an Australian Federal Police Task Force force
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Speaker 2: into antisemitism.
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Speaker 1: Fine, this seems.
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Speaker 2: To me though the barest minimum. It seems to me
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Speaker 2: band aid stuff, it doesn't actually go to tackling what's
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Speaker 2: actually creating this due hatred. What more do you want
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Speaker 2: to see?
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Speaker 9: Well, I couldn't agree more with you, Andrew. This is
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Speaker 9: so little and so late, and we've been calling for
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Speaker 9: tougher measures from governments, for the federal government, particularly to
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Speaker 9: stand unequivocally against antisemitism for more than a year now.
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Speaker 9: We've been calling I and seventy members of Parliament wrote
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Speaker 9: to Tony Burke and asked him to guarantee that he
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Speaker 9: would not let any terrorism supporters into this country, and
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Speaker 9: anyone who was a terrorist supporter on a visa would
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Speaker 9: be expelled. That's the letter we wrote months ago. We
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Speaker 9: still don't have any response from him. I think the
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Speaker 9: government has been making deliberate choices right the way along
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Speaker 9: here to minimize the anti Semitism that's been occurring in
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Speaker 9: our community, to mush it and to equate it with Islamophobia,
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Speaker 9: not to call it out clearly, and not to provide
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Speaker 9: in place both the police resourcing and the other things
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Speaker 9: that are needed here, like being prepared to change the
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Speaker 9: five OHO one definitions for the character test in the
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Speaker 9: Migration Actor, as Peter Dutton is proposing to do, to
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Speaker 9: make it very clear that people who engage in anti
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Speaker 9: Semitic conduct have no place in this country. To provide
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Speaker 9: unequivocal support for the security needs of the Jewish community,
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Speaker 9: including having armed guards outside Jewish communal premises the sort
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Speaker 9: of strong action that the government should have provided months
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Speaker 9: and months and months ago. And this is a government
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Speaker 9: that cannot even come at a judicial inquiry into anti
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Speaker 9: semitism on campus, an issue I've been raising for months
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Speaker 9: and yet this government disrespected the Jewish community, leaders, disrespected
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Speaker 9: their own appointed envoy and anti Semitism who has made
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Speaker 9: it very clear that she thinks that we need a
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Speaker 9: judicial inquiry because we need to get to the bottom
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Speaker 9: of some of this. Andrew, and I think too much
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Speaker 9: of what we're seeing from this government is band aid
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Speaker 9: or is just ignoring and disrespecting the Jewish community of Australia.
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Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: We need to get to the factories of this hate
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Speaker 2: and not just put more police around the perimeter. Benjamin Cline,
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Speaker 2: you know your community's gone through. Your congregation has gone
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Speaker 2: through a hell of a lot over the last few days.
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Speaker 2: What do you and they need to feel safe in
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Speaker 2: Australia Again.
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Speaker 8: I think a big part of it, Andrew, is really
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Speaker 8: for the government to give strength, strengthen the laws and
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Speaker 8: really change the fabric of the community. I grew up
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Speaker 8: in Melbourne, Australia and born and bred Melbourne. My parents
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Speaker 8: are born and bred Melbourne. And really for the government
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Speaker 8: to show strength and to really punish individuals and really
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Speaker 8: push for that old fabric where we're all Australians, we
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Speaker 8: all live and let live, we all really lead our
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Speaker 8: own lives, in our own way and respect each other
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Speaker 8: is really what's my message for the government and for
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Speaker 8: Australia to work towards.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't think that would need saying. You're
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Speaker 2: just saying absolute platitudes there that I thought every Australian
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Speaker 2: would accept. And it seems the country has been ripped
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Speaker 2: from under our feet. Benjamin Julian. We had Israel's prime
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Speaker 2: ministers say it's impossible to separate this arson because of
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Speaker 2: this reprehensible act, the burning of the synagogue, from the
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Speaker 2: extreme anti Israeli position of the Labor government in Australia,
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Speaker 2: including he says, the scandless decision to support un resolutioning
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Speaker 2: is Israel and preventing a former Israeli Justice minister, Ailet
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Speaker 2: Chakhid from entering Australia a couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: Is he right?
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Speaker 9: And I've been saying this for a long time, that
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Speaker 9: there's a direct link between the anti Israel positions of
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Speaker 9: this Labor government and the anti Semitism that we're seeing
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Speaker 9: on our streets. We didn't have an antisemitism problem in
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Speaker 9: Australia before this government came to office, before it started
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Speaker 9: attacking Israel. In the international fora we now have an
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Speaker 9: antisemitism problem. There is a direct link, in my view,
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Speaker 9: between the government's support for anti Israel resolutions and the
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Speaker 9: arsonist's views that we saw lit on Friday morning. I
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Speaker 9: think we need to I think the government needs to
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Speaker 9: take a good long look at itself and how its
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Speaker 9: actions in the international community and in this country are
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Speaker 9: fueling the flames of antisemitism. By delegitimizing the Jewish state,
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Speaker 9: you delegitimize Jews everywhere.
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Speaker 2: Benjamin Klan, what do you think.
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Speaker 8: I think you hit the nail on the head. You know,
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Speaker 8: the antisemitism has really risen in this country. I myself
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Speaker 8: was in Canterbury last week, which is a lovely neighborhood
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Speaker 8: in Melbourne, and I was scrampton on the streets. You know,
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Speaker 8: you kill babies and really quite horrible reetoric. And it's
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Speaker 8: really it's very important that that temperature comes down. The
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Speaker 8: antisemitism needs to be addressed, and really to understand that
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Speaker 8: government has strong powers and the decisions that they make
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Speaker 8: impact real people on the streets and all groups need
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Speaker 8: to be made safe in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Julian, I know you've been arguing this for I mean,
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Speaker 2: you've seen this coming a mile after and it's just
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Speaker 2: outrageous that you've got no response from Tony Burke and
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Speaker 2: Juliane Lisa Benjamin Klin. Thank you very much to you both.
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Speaker 2: Some good news, though I hope it's good news. The
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Speaker 2: Syrian regime has fallen and Israel has now totally remade
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Speaker 2: the Middle East in just one year. Do you think
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Speaker 2: it's going to get thanks for that? Since it was
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Speaker 2: attacked by Hamas terrorists on October seven last year, Israel
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Speaker 2: has destroyed Amas. He then destroyed Iran's other terrorist army
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Speaker 2: in the region, Hesbelah in Lebanon, and now sirious bloody
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Speaker 2: dictator Basha al Aasada has fallen. Fled to Russia on
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Speaker 2: the weekend as rebels stormed his capital Damascus.
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Speaker 1: Took over his palace and found.
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Speaker 2: There all the luxury cars this war criminal had kept
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Speaker 2: in his massive garage. Now, without Israel, none of this
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Speaker 2: would have happened. By the way they're penny Wong saying,
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Speaker 2: don't hit back, don't hit back, none of this would
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Speaker 2: have happened. Now you see, Asad had in fact been
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Speaker 2: kept in power by Russia and Iran with Iran's Hesbala
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Speaker 2: supplying fighters, but Russia was weakened by this disastrous invasion
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Speaker 2: of Ukraine, couldn't spare the forces of the Jets and
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Speaker 2: whatever Hezbola was finished in Iran being twice bombed by Israel,
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Speaker 2: didn't dare move. The leader of the rebel army for
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Speaker 2: ma Alkai, the loyalist Ahmid al Sharah, also known as
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Speaker 2: Muhammad al Jilani, didn't want to thank the Jews directly
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Speaker 2: for helping him conquer the Assad regime in just eleven days,
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Speaker 2: sweeping in from Italy in the northwest with Turkey's help,
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Speaker 2: but did admit that the collapse of Russian and the
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Speaker 2: Iranian power had left Asad at his mercy.
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Speaker 10: The Iranians attempted to revive the regime, buying its time,
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Speaker 10: and leader of the Russians also try to prop it up,
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Speaker 10: but the truth remains this regime is dead now.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people, including Syrians, are saying this is
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Speaker 2: a great day for Israel and Ukraine. Sure is I
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Speaker 2: mean Iran and Russia are humiliated, But is the new
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Speaker 2: rebel army that's taken over half the country the curse
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Speaker 2: of more or less the other half is it bit
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Speaker 2: of Syrians because Ahmed al Sarra used to be with
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Speaker 2: al Qaeda and the Islamic State, but then distance themselves
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Speaker 2: from them. It says it's going to let other ethnic
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Speaker 2: and religious communities in Syria coexists, Kurds, Drew's, Christians and
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Speaker 2: so on.
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Speaker 10: Pieta Hirisham is one of the factions in the region,
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Speaker 10: just like all the others. Now we're talking about a
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Speaker 10: larger project. We're talking about building Syria. It will transition
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Speaker 10: to a state of governance, institutions and so on. Sometimes
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Speaker 10: it's essential to adjust to reality and because someone who
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Speaker 10: rigidly clings to certain ideas and principles without flexibility cannot
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Speaker 10: effectively lead societies or navigate complex conflicts like the one
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Speaker 10: happening in Syria.
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Speaker 2: Smooth talk, handsome man. So is the Syriau's new dawn
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Speaker 2: after a civil war that forced the quarter of its
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Speaker 2: people six million Syrians to flee the country or is
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Speaker 2: it just then for the storm? Joining is Michael Schubrich,
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Speaker 2: Aforeman's senior defense official now founder and Director of Strategic
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Speaker 2: Analysis Australia. Michael Schubrich, thank you so much for your time,
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Speaker 2: serious new leader a former al k jihadist and a
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Speaker 2: former media student whose father was an economist.
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Speaker 1: Is this man now the moderate.
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Speaker 2: He claims to be seems to have been a chameleon
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Speaker 2: in the past. Can we trust the colors today?
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Speaker 7: Well, I certainly wouldn't if I was a Syrian.
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Speaker 11: I think anyone that's had the history that al Jilani,
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Speaker 11: this HTS leader has had, who now tells us is
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Speaker 11: into inclusion and moderation running Syria as a broad tent
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Speaker 11: for everyone, I think we should all have extreme doubts
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Speaker 11: about that. Remember, the Taliban had a makeover just before
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Speaker 11: and just after they seize power. They said that become
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Speaker 11: much more moderate and things would be different. None of
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Speaker 11: that turned out to be true.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's so far worked. I think Joe Barden's already
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Speaker 2: promising aid and all that, so a sweet talking might get.
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Speaker 1: A reward for now.
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Speaker 2: How bad is this development for Russia and Iran and
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Speaker 2: how good for Israel in Ukraine.
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Speaker 11: Well, it's a disaster for Moscow and Tehran because the
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Speaker 11: Iranians had put so much weight on the Syrian regime,
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Speaker 11: letting them do whatever they wanted in and through Syria,
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Speaker 11: so it was key for them supporting Hezbolla. Arming, training
22:36
Speaker 11: and equipping them also key for Syria to use proxies
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Speaker 11: like Hesbola against Israel from Syrian territory, and it's a
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Speaker 11: major reverse for Iran's reputation and power. The Russians are
22:51
Speaker 11: big losers too, because Putin's big claim was I can
22:54
Speaker 11: keep a sard in power, and that shows you can
22:57
Speaker 11: trust me to be your partner, you can't trust people
23:00
Speaker 11: like the Americans. Well, his trust doesn't really matter. Assad
23:05
Speaker 11: is now seeking asylum in Moscow. But I think the
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Speaker 11: other winner out of this besides Israel in the immediate
23:14
Speaker 11: term is Turkey. Turkey is now playing a big role
23:18
Speaker 11: in Syria and there's some nasty developments with Turkish backed
23:22
Speaker 11: militias attacking the Kurds in Syria.
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Speaker 2: I know the Kurds have a lot of territory in
23:32
Speaker 2: Syria and this will make them think about creating their
23:36
Speaker 2: homeland at last, which is not what Turkey wants to hear,
23:39
Speaker 2: having a sizable Kurdish minority itself. Speaking of Ukraine, you know,
23:45
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has suggested that he'd cut off aid to
23:48
Speaker 2: Ukraine to end its war with Russia. Some of his
23:52
Speaker 2: inner circle want Ukraine cut off the day that Trump
23:56
Speaker 2: has sworn as president. But on Saturday, Trump met Ukraine's president,
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Speaker 2: him Is Zelenski in Paris to discuss the war. And
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Speaker 2: this is ahead of the ceremony to reopen the Notre
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Speaker 2: Dame Cathedral. Seemed to greet him warmly, The talk seemed
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Speaker 2: to go well. It seems to be Zelenski is getting
24:12
Speaker 2: on well with Trump. Is there can we what Trump says,
24:14
Speaker 2: you know, we need we need peace in Ukraine and
24:17
Speaker 2: we need compromise, and Zelenski saying yes, it's yes. Putin
24:21
Speaker 2: in the meantime is looking like a loser, and we
24:23
Speaker 2: know what Trump thinks of them. What do you think
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Speaker 2: I'm suspecting, Michael Schubridge, that Trump will keep the arms
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Speaker 2: going to Ukraine for a while.
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Speaker 7: Yet, Well, I think you've got some good points.
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Speaker 11: One thing that Trump won't want is a Ukrainian collapse
24:39
Speaker 11: because he pulls the rugout from under them. He knows
24:42
Speaker 11: that was something that just really dogged Biden the whole
24:46
Speaker 11: Afghanistan withdrawal, and he doesn't want that to completely trash
24:52
Speaker 11: his reputation early in a second term. So I think
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Speaker 11: Zelenski is doing all the right things by lavishing praise
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Speaker 11: on Trump and just saying that that US support is
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Speaker 11: essential Putin.
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Speaker 7: You're right, Trump.
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Speaker 11: Won't want to be seen to do a deal with
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Speaker 11: someone who looks like a loser, as Putin does with
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Speaker 11: what's just happened in Syria. But that means Putin doesn't
25:17
Speaker 11: want to look like a loser twice. So while Trump
25:21
Speaker 11: may not think Putin is as strong as he was before,
25:25
Speaker 11: Putin is going to be driven even harder to make
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Speaker 11: it look like he's had a big win in Ukraine.
25:31
Speaker 11: So I think the net effect is pretty hard to predict.
25:34
Speaker 11: But I think the bigger effect is Putin is going
25:37
Speaker 11: to be even more determined to look like a winner
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Speaker 11: in Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: You know what that means, It's going to be even
25:44
Speaker 2: more Russian's thrown thrown to the wolves at the front
25:50
Speaker 2: to try to be you know, human waves. You've seen
25:53
Speaker 2: Ukraine claiming that it's killing five to one at the
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Speaker 2: moment or more so. I suspect a lot of shes
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Speaker 2: are going to die before Putting, before Trump becomes president.
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Speaker 1: We'll see.
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Speaker 2: Michael Schubridge, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 7: Thanks very much, Andrew.
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Speaker 1: After the break, it's no.
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Speaker 2: Wonder a new poll now says that Anthony Albaniz is
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Speaker 2: our weakest leader since it started measuring that kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: The panel is next.
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Speaker 2: You know, I can't read Anthony Alberty's mind, so I
26:27
Speaker 2: can't really be sure why you play down the explosion
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Speaker 2: of anti Semitism here for fourteen months when it was
26:33
Speaker 2: really clear we had a huge problem. Just two days
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Speaker 2: after the October seven massacre by her mass of twelve
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Speaker 2: hundred Jews, I mean already emin and Muslims in city
26:43
Speaker 2: were celebrating that horror. That's a day of courage. Did
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albany's just misread this crisis? Does it just not
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Speaker 2: like Israel? There are critics like me right that he
27:10
Speaker 2: did fail to it because it's after the votes of
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Speaker 2: Muslims and potential Green voters in Sydney. Let's go to
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Speaker 2: the Monday political panel Michael Croiger from a Victorian Liberal president,
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Speaker 2: Steve Conroy, former Labor Senator and Cabinet minister Steve Conroy.
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Speaker 1: If the Prime.
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Speaker 2: Minister was after Muslim votes, if that's the reason is
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Speaker 2: it's all been soft peddling this for so long? Has
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Speaker 2: this backfired because surely now he is losing more votes
27:36
Speaker 2: in the middle from people horrified by the jew hatred
27:39
Speaker 2: we now see than he could hope to gain from
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Speaker 2: Muslims and Green voters in Sydney.
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Speaker 12: Okay, if that was his motivisation motivation, and I'm not
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Speaker 12: saying it was, I think your characterization that Labor is
27:53
Speaker 12: now in serious danger of losing middle ground votes is
27:58
Speaker 12: absolutely true. I think Australia will be sick in to
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Speaker 12: the core by what they've seen on the weekend. They've
28:03
Speaker 12: already met people in Melbourne. The silent majority are sick
28:06
Speaker 12: of the ongoing rallies. The israllies aren't targeting the government.
28:10
Speaker 12: Most protests in Australia about targeting. We don't like the
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Speaker 12: government over a government decision. This is targeting a section
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Speaker 12: of the community. This is rolling intimidation across our streets
28:19
Speaker 12: and most Australians are sick of it. I mean it
28:22
Speaker 12: reached a ludicrous situation recently where they talked about turning
28:26
Speaker 12: up to protest the opening of the Christmas windows at Maya,
28:29
Speaker 12: a truly iconic Melbourne event. So I think the vast
28:34
Speaker 12: majority of middle Australia are going to be sickened by
28:38
Speaker 12: what they're seeing at the moment. And I think Labour
28:40
Speaker 12: needs to be seen to do more to give protection
28:44
Speaker 12: and support to the Jewish community. It's absolutely clear that
28:49
Speaker 12: they are being targeted. It is humiliating for those of
28:55
Speaker 12: us who support the state of Israel to see and
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Speaker 12: know his children are afraid to wear their uniforms to school,
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Speaker 12: are afraid to display any sign of their religion on
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Speaker 12: their person. This is not the Australia that we want
29:10
Speaker 12: to see and the government has to make that point strongly,
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Speaker 12: loudly and clearly. If the government can point to examples
29:18
Speaker 12: of Islamophobia that have taken place in the last fourteen months,
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Speaker 12: if there's been the persecution of the Muslim community, then
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Speaker 12: it should make that case. But that is not a
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Speaker 12: reason to be staunchly, strongly defending the Jewish community, particularly
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Speaker 12: after the weekend.
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Speaker 2: I don't get why it hasn't steph every word you say.
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Speaker 1: It's so obvious.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why it needs to be said, and
29:42
Speaker 2: yet this government has been playing softly for more than
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Speaker 2: a year until today.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Michael, what do you make of this?
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Speaker 13: Well, Andrew, it's taking me a while to work this
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Speaker 13: out because you look at Albanezy. He says the right things,
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Speaker 13: but he seems to do on every occasion wrong thing.
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 13: I think Albanez is a man paralyzed by cowardice. I
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Speaker 13: hate to say, I think he's just a political coward.
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Speaker 13: You look at everything, you know, He's always saying, Oh,
30:12
Speaker 13: isn't it terrible? Isn't We're going to stop this anti
30:14
Speaker 13: Semitis And he won't do anything. He can't do anything.
30:18
Speaker 13: He's paralyzed. So for months he's to take a trivial example,
30:23
Speaker 13: for months, his own electoral office was closed because he
30:27
Speaker 13: wouldn't take action against Palestinian extremists who were breaking the law,
30:33
Speaker 13: stopping people coming inside outside our own prime minister's electoral office.
30:38
Speaker 13: He wouldn't call the police to remove them, but he
30:42
Speaker 13: would call the police to arrest the Israeli Prime minister
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Speaker 13: if he came to Australia. This is a guy. He
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Speaker 13: won't stand up for Jews, and he won't stand up
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Speaker 13: against the Palestine in the Islambi extremists in this country.
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Speaker 13: I'm afraid Andrew, it's just cow What is I mean?
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Speaker 13: Hawk Hawk Keating? Can you imagine them? Can you imagine
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Speaker 13: them you know, doing what Albanese has done or not done.
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Speaker 1: Bob Hawk you.
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Speaker 13: Think Paul Keating would have put up with this, these
31:17
Speaker 13: these label these were true great labor leaders. Widlam wouldn't
31:22
Speaker 13: have put up with it. Rudwood Gillard certainly wouldn't. This man,
31:26
Speaker 13: this man is paralyzed by his inability to do anything.
31:31
Speaker 2: But it's something else going on here, Stephen. Look, I
31:34
Speaker 2: want to play you again the grab today when the
31:37
Speaker 2: journalist asked them, why were you playing tennis in Perth
31:40
Speaker 2: on a Saturday instead of going to the synagogue in Melbourne?
31:43
Speaker 2: Having listened to haven't listened to what time of day?
31:46
Speaker 1: He said it was if.
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Speaker 3: I wasn't playing tennis on the Saturday running, yeah, that
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Speaker 3: is wrong.
31:52
Speaker 12: I had.
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Speaker 7: I had.
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Speaker 3: I had six appointments on Saturday. After they had concluded,
31:59
Speaker 3: laid in the afternoon, I did some exercise.
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Speaker 2: Now, Viewer Clifford, I think it is, says to me,
32:06
Speaker 2: wait a minute, when you look at the photo, let's
32:08
Speaker 2: have the photo of the time of day when he's
32:10
Speaker 2: out there on the tennis court. This is not late
32:13
Speaker 2: in the day. Not from the shadows I'm seeing, they're
32:17
Speaker 2: pretty short shadows.
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Speaker 1: That is more. That's closer to me. I don't know.
32:21
Speaker 2: I'm guessing here, two or three o'clock. Why wouldn't he
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Speaker 2: rush back to Melbourne.
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Speaker 12: We don't have to get Perthy is three hours behind
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Speaker 12: Melbourne at the moment, Andrew, you've got a fat afternoon.
32:36
Speaker 1: Is where you are? You want to take about out of.
32:38
Speaker 12: Time if you're trying to say you've got to race
32:42
Speaker 12: back on Saturday. Iman, Yes he has access to the
32:45
Speaker 12: government plane, but look, I'm not familiar. He said he
32:51
Speaker 12: had a full day of work on Saturday, and I
32:54
Speaker 12: don't know what his commitments were on Sunday. I think
32:56
Speaker 12: he from that read that he's due to visit I
33:00
Speaker 12: think he's read that he's due to visit the synagogue
33:04
Speaker 12: on I think Tuesday. I think that's important that he'd
33:08
Speaker 12: be seen to demonstrate that support. He's given a number
33:11
Speaker 12: of speeches. He's made it very clear what he thinks
33:13
Speaker 12: of this. He caught it out as terrorism before the
33:15
Speaker 12: Federal Police and AZO held their press conference today. So
33:19
Speaker 12: I think that again, Michael is very critical of the
33:24
Speaker 12: Prime Minister on a range of issues, and you'd expect that,
33:27
Speaker 12: but I think on some of these there's a bit
33:29
Speaker 12: of confection around wanting to just pile extra pressure on
33:33
Speaker 12: which isn't necessarily factually based.
33:36
Speaker 13: No one needs to pile pressure on him, Stephen, it's
33:38
Speaker 13: all his own work. There's a cancer on this government.
33:41
Speaker 13: What about it? I mean it'll take a generation to remove.
33:45
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's exactly right. I mean it's a
33:48
Speaker 2: legacy of shame, and I wonder why more MPs. Look,
33:51
Speaker 2: Steven's now out of politics, is still feeling fairly close
33:54
Speaker 2: and protective. But still, why more in Labor in peace
33:57
Speaker 2: haven't said what Stephen does rather than sit in the
34:00
Speaker 2: rest of their lives in semi retirement thinking I said
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Speaker 2: nothing when Labor covered itself with shame.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of that? Michael?
34:08
Speaker 13: Absolutely correct? I mean, you know the Attorney General Mark Dreyfus, Mark,
34:16
Speaker 13: how can any self respective Jewish Australian remain a member
34:21
Speaker 13: of the Labor cabinet given the cowardice of your Prime Minister,
34:27
Speaker 13: the appalling behavior and decisions of your foreign minister, Yet
34:31
Speaker 13: you remain a member of the cabinet. Why haven't you resigned?
34:35
Speaker 13: I mean Andrew Peacock resigned from Fraser's government. There are
34:39
Speaker 13: many examples over the years where where politicians of great
34:42
Speaker 13: principle you know, resigned from the cabinet to stand apart.
34:47
Speaker 13: I mean, Julian Lisa resigned from the front bench. For
34:49
Speaker 13: goodness sake, Mark drefus. The fact that you are still
34:52
Speaker 13: there is appalling. I mean, what are you thinking, Mark,
34:57
Speaker 13: This government have betrayed Jewish Australians. You are still sitting
35:01
Speaker 13: in the cabinet. What are you thinking, my friend? For
35:04
Speaker 13: goodness sake, you'll never ever live this down, that you
35:07
Speaker 13: stayed there silent while Albanesian wog performed you know, so poorly.
35:14
Speaker 13: The rise of Jewish hatred of this country is to
35:16
Speaker 13: an extent we've never seen before. But the Prime Minister
35:19
Speaker 13: has not visited Israel. She wouldn't go to the to
35:22
Speaker 13: the to the Nova Music Festival or kafar Asa. You
35:25
Speaker 13: keep voting against the Israeli state at the UN and
35:30
Speaker 13: Penny Wong told the Israeli government, Oh, do not go
35:33
Speaker 13: into Lebanon. We don't want another Gaza. And Hezbala would
35:37
Speaker 13: still be running a muck in southern Lebanon. Penny, if Netnya,
35:42
Speaker 13: who had listened to your advice and Basha Alisad would
35:45
Speaker 13: still be in power if Israel had not gone into
35:49
Speaker 13: Lebanon and killed off Hesbalah and Mark Dravis you sit there.
35:52
Speaker 13: You've got to be kidding my.
35:54
Speaker 2: Friend Michael Crazy, Steve Conory, thank you very much to
35:58
Speaker 2: you both. We should add that the Newsport Today said
36:02
Speaker 2: Albinezi had had the soft lowest ratings for a strong leader.
36:05
Speaker 2: It was more likable, of course, than they had ever
36:07
Speaker 2: measured before. Labor and Liberal or Coalition fifty to fifty,
36:12
Speaker 2: although another pole, the Resolved Pole, says Labour's behind forty
36:16
Speaker 2: nine to fifty one. I think this has got a
36:19
Speaker 2: long way to play out yet, after the break the
36:21
Speaker 2: Aboriginal trude that's banned welcomes the country. I'll talk to
36:24
Speaker 2: a spokesman. A lot of Australians says, you know, I've
36:32
Speaker 2: had the pit because welcomes the countries and these acknowledgments
36:36
Speaker 2: of country'll be welcome to your own country like I
36:39
Speaker 2: had the other day at a big business awardnight, someone
36:42
Speaker 2: as white as me welcoming me to my country and
36:44
Speaker 2: then pocketing a check for the whole ceremony afterwards. I mean, seriously,
36:48
Speaker 2: but now a big development. The Juri people of the
36:51
Speaker 2: Burdekin Up in Queensland have had enough. They've voted last
36:54
Speaker 2: week to band welcome to Country ceremonies on their ancestral
36:57
Speaker 2: land because they say it's embarrassing ceremony has become commercialized.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is Juliu descendant Randal Banbury Ross Randall. Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for coming on this vote to band
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Speaker 2: welcomes the country.
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Speaker 1: What spart that?
37:13
Speaker 14: Look, this is where the elders have had enough witnessing
37:20
Speaker 14: the welcome to countries being performed. You know, we're supposed
37:23
Speaker 14: to make people inclusive, and this is where you know,
37:27
Speaker 14: they could see how it was dividing many as well
37:30
Speaker 14: as a part of those that were performing the ceremony.
37:33
Speaker 1: So the elders said that's enough.
37:35
Speaker 14: We need to stop it because they're getting away from
37:38
Speaker 14: what they're about.
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Speaker 2: And this is obviously going to cost you a bit
37:44
Speaker 2: of money because welcome to countries are a good earner
37:47
Speaker 2: for some people, aren't they.
37:51
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's sad, but it's unfortunately it's not a bad money,
37:55
Speaker 14: you know, And this is where we're supposed to be creating,
37:57
Speaker 14: you know, the opportunity to get people in understanding what
38:00
Speaker 14: the country is about, so people you know, can only
38:03
Speaker 14: live side by side and work together, but also understand
38:07
Speaker 14: you know that we're there to keep them safe as
38:09
Speaker 14: a part of crossing our country. But unfortunately, yeah, it
38:14
Speaker 14: has become a bit of a commercial enterprise.
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Speaker 2: You know, the guy that did the Welcomes Country a
38:21
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, talked about his Scottish ancestor that
38:26
Speaker 2: he had made up an Aboriginal chant. He said he'd
38:29
Speaker 2: made it up an Aboriginal chant and then told us
38:31
Speaker 2: a long made up story and imagining conversation between an
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal woman and a white man.
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Speaker 1: And I thought, where the hell is this going?
38:38
Speaker 2: Why do I need to listen to you? Just how
38:42
Speaker 2: do you feel when welcomes the country are given by
38:45
Speaker 2: people who are as white as me and say they
38:47
Speaker 2: identify as Aboriginal?
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Unfortunately for me, it's not about color, because you know,
38:56
Speaker 14: I have descendants who have we all have as a
38:59
Speaker 14: part of that white history. But this is you know,
39:03
Speaker 14: it's important about bloodline connection. If you are a bloodline descendant,
39:07
Speaker 14: particularly to that area. You know, it's important because today
39:12
Speaker 14: we look at our multicultural society. Everyone has a story.
39:14
Speaker 14: It doesn't matter who we are and where we come from,
39:17
Speaker 14: but we all have a story. But it's how do we,
39:20
Speaker 14: you know, bring those stories together.
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Speaker 1: To help each other?
39:24
Speaker 14: And that's what it's about. And sadly, you know, like
39:27
Speaker 14: I said, some of those stories, many of our people
39:31
Speaker 14: have or come with their own backgrounds, and some of
39:35
Speaker 14: them are white as.
39:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, but growing up in Darwin, we saw averages very
39:42
Speaker 2: close to the traditional their traditions and I respect that,
39:46
Speaker 2: but some of this seems to be made up from
39:48
Speaker 2: people who are very distant connection in the cities. Since
39:52
Speaker 2: you've made this call, what has the response been.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, the response has been overwhelming positive. Many have stated, yeah,
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Speaker 14: it's been long time overdue, and this is good to see.
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Speaker 14: Other elders are considering to taking the similar process too
40:09
Speaker 14: as well, because they can see that, like I said,
40:12
Speaker 14: the cultural protocol is getting voluntarily out of hand and
40:16
Speaker 14: it is disheartening, especially when we still walk amongst our
40:19
Speaker 14: ancestors and our ancestors watch over us. And this is
40:21
Speaker 14: what is the disheartening process about it. And that's why
40:24
Speaker 14: our elders have had enough and they've said, you know,
40:28
Speaker 14: we need to put an end to this. You know,
40:32
Speaker 14: it's about educating and giving everybody that understanding, and that's
40:36
Speaker 14: where where I'm at with it, especially for albert and
40:40
Speaker 14: our Bertican area, for our jurid people.
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Speaker 2: If you hear a faint cheering in the distance, Randall,
40:46
Speaker 2: it is the Sky News audience cheering you on as
40:50
Speaker 2: you say this. It's a kind of a talk that
40:53
Speaker 2: does unite Australians and I thank you for it, Randall Ross, thank.
40:56
Speaker 1: You very much for your time.
40:58
Speaker 14: Thank you, Andrew.
40:59
Speaker 1: After the break.
41:00
Speaker 2: After the break, the CSIRO tries again to prove the
41:03
Speaker 2: liberals nuclear.
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Speaker 1: Power plan will cost too much.
41:06
Speaker 2: Once again, though there's something very odd about its figures.
41:10
Speaker 2: I'll show you what's going on after this.
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Speaker 1: Edgy.
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Speaker 2: Mister Chris Bowe is struggling to keep our lights on,
41:18
Speaker 2: as you know. But there's good news for him.
41:20
Speaker 1: He says.
41:20
Speaker 2: It's got a new report saying the opposition's alternative nuclear
41:24
Speaker 2: power will cost up to twice as much as his
41:27
Speaker 2: wind and solar.
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Speaker 15: Well science is in It is the lightest report of
41:32
Speaker 15: the CSIRO and AMO, and it shows yet again that
41:36
Speaker 15: the cheapest form of new energy is renewables.
41:41
Speaker 2: Except once again the csiroh top science organization. Supposedly, since
41:45
Speaker 2: I've put its thumb on the scale, this previous report
41:48
Speaker 2: worked out the costs on the plainly false assumption the
41:51
Speaker 2: nuclear pants plants would last just thirty years, not up
41:55
Speaker 2: to ninety and that pump out power for as little
41:57
Speaker 2: as half the time tops eighty nine percent, when the
42:01
Speaker 2: US Department of Energies says they work ninety two percent
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Speaker 2: of the time. The CSI has said, oh, no, no, no,
42:06
Speaker 2: we've looked into all these let's say that they'd last longer.
42:10
Speaker 2: That's only going to save a few a little bit.
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Speaker 2: And they do really only work. They insisted only fifty
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Speaker 2: three nine percent of the time, but that's after it
42:19
Speaker 2: included reactors in Ukraine in war zones, older reactors which
42:23
Speaker 2: don't run as well. So let's check this report with
42:26
Speaker 2: doctor Ardie Patterson, former Chief Executive of the Australian Nuclear
42:30
Speaker 2: Science and Technology Organization, now Chairman of Nuclear for Australia.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Patterson always great to talk to you. The CSI
42:37
Speaker 2: report says nuclear power is going to be up to
42:40
Speaker 2: twice the price of solar and wind plus backup when
42:43
Speaker 2: there's no wind and sun. Do you believe it?
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Speaker 7: It's just wrong. I did a detailed review of the
42:50
Speaker 7: report today. I spent a big chunk of the day
42:52
Speaker 7: looking at it. And the underlying fundamental problem is that
42:56
Speaker 7: they have built a lot of wrong facts and they
42:59
Speaker 7: do get capacity factor wrong, they get the overall availability,
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Speaker 7: they get the lifetime wrong, and they forget that when
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Speaker 7: the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow. Under
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Speaker 7: the long term plan, they are no electrons at all
43:13
Speaker 7: because the backup is gas and gas in their own
43:16
Speaker 7: report peaking gas is more expensive than nuclear on all
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Speaker 7: the time.
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Speaker 2: But also they say, you know, they're also talking about
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Speaker 2: other things. I guess backup forms of backup. When you
43:31
Speaker 2: look at the other forms of backup, there's almost no
43:34
Speaker 2: project that is running on budget. And they say, oh, look,
43:37
Speaker 2: there'll be other technologies, there'll be so cheap as But
43:41
Speaker 2: they just imagine these miracle breakthroughs that don't necessarily come.
43:46
Speaker 2: It seems to me a lot of wish wishing and
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Speaker 2: hoping in this.
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Speaker 7: I think it's worse than that. For the first time,
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Speaker 7: they have a big section on batteries in the report. Now, batteries,
43:57
Speaker 7: of course, I like primary sources of electrons, but they
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Speaker 7: treat them as if they are a primary source. But
44:02
Speaker 7: of course you have to charge batteries, and they're not
44:05
Speaker 7: very clear about whether these are two hour batteries or
44:08
Speaker 7: four hour batteries. The batteries are really expensive. In fact,
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Speaker 7: I started my career as a battery person, and batteries
44:16
Speaker 7: last for ten years. If you're lucky, they last for
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Speaker 7: fifteen years. So in the life of a nuclear plant
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Speaker 7: that might go for eighty years, you got to replace
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Speaker 7: batteries eight times. And they're really expensive and they're basically
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Speaker 7: buckets of electrons. So it's a new departure and I
44:33
Speaker 7: think a fatal mistake to make batteries a primary source
44:37
Speaker 7: of electricity. And then they quietly slip in that the
44:40
Speaker 7: grid's going to have to get bigger. The more renewables
44:43
Speaker 7: we build, the bigger the transmission good is now the
44:47
Speaker 7: transmission good. That's the big good. The big poles and
44:49
Speaker 7: wires we see when we drive across the country that's
44:52
Speaker 7: very expensive. About forty cents from the dollar of electricity
44:56
Speaker 7: is just for the big grid. And they want to
44:59
Speaker 7: double the size the grid. It's going to have a
45:01
Speaker 7: massive impact on our cost of electricity for more dilute
45:05
Speaker 7: wind and solider and so I think it's really a
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Speaker 7: moment to really change our minds about nuclear. Nuclear is clean,
45:14
Speaker 7: it's always available. I can see the Georgia reactors in
45:20
Speaker 7: the background. I've been to that site and watch them
45:22
Speaker 7: being built. People think that that's smoke coming out of
45:26
Speaker 7: the towers. Of course it's steep. And these nuclear reactors,
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Speaker 7: these gigawatte scale nuclear reactors, are very much something that
45:35
Speaker 7: could be part of our future, but we want to
45:38
Speaker 7: do it with dilute renewables.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 7: When the sun's not shining, the wind's not blowing, and
45:45
Speaker 7: that's been true today in New South Wales. There is
45:48
Speaker 7: no electricity coming from the sun and from the winds,
45:51
Speaker 7: and when the sun has gone down, they have to
45:53
Speaker 7: get water down the sewers and we have to keep
45:55
Speaker 7: the emergency rooms going on hospitals and we have to
46:00
Speaker 7: basically prepared for the next day. There is no way
46:04
Speaker 7: that the renewables grid with peaking gas will give us
46:07
Speaker 7: cheaper electricity. We know that from published engineering research. The
46:13
Speaker 7: lowest cost of electricity at the meter as opposed to
46:17
Speaker 7: at the fence, which is what the gen con reports
46:19
Speaker 7: is all about, is to have nuclear in the group.
46:24
Speaker 7: Now that's indisputable. I mean it was published about four
46:28
Speaker 7: years ago in a top a journey journal called Energy,
46:33
Speaker 7: which is an internationally reviewed journal, and we know that
46:36
Speaker 7: nuclear is cheaper than intimate and renewables from that paper
46:41
Speaker 7: but because they insist on having a gen con report,
46:45
Speaker 7: which is at the fence before it gets into the
46:47
Speaker 7: big grid. We have this crazy system where we are
46:53
Speaker 7: persuading ourselves that we need these dilute forms of electricity,
46:56
Speaker 7: and then we just invented batteries as a primary source
46:59
Speaker 7: of electricity. So it's got worse. It is fundamentally Lord.
47:07
Speaker 2: It seems to me they actually don't want us to
47:09
Speaker 2: consider nuclear you know, and to say that nuclear power
47:12
Speaker 2: plants might work only for as little as fifty three
47:15
Speaker 2: percent of the time, you know, down for other factors,
47:19
Speaker 2: is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Anyway, Doctor Addy Pattinson, I think
47:25
Speaker 2: fear that we're going to be asking you a lot
47:27
Speaker 2: more at times on the show because the misinformation around
47:32
Speaker 2: is just extraordinary. Thank you so much for your time,
47:36
Speaker 2: really appreciated. It's just incredible. And I mean we're talking
47:41
Speaker 2: about the national power system. I think you need to
47:43
Speaker 2: present a report that's actually absolutely shows absolute fidelity to
47:49
Speaker 2: the facts. But one last thing before I go. Donald
47:53
Speaker 2: Trump such a man of business, always looking for the angles,
47:56
Speaker 2: and it's not just in foreign policy of course, always
47:59
Speaker 2: saying what's in it for a meal?
48:00
Speaker 1: Erica tossing everything in the air.
48:01
Speaker 2: Let's have another look at it, which I think is
48:03
Speaker 2: quite creative in a way. Give you a perfect example
48:06
Speaker 2: because even in businesses, very much so. I said earlier
48:09
Speaker 2: this early tonight that this incoming president was at the
48:12
Speaker 2: reopening on Saturday the magnevs Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris,
48:16
Speaker 2: which has finally been restored, will quickly been restored, really
48:19
Speaker 2: after it was burned five years ago, and he found
48:22
Speaker 2: himself two seats down from Jill Budd, President Joe's wife.
48:25
Speaker 1: He hadn't come, she had.
48:26
Speaker 2: He couldn't resist the look she gave him, and a
48:29
Speaker 2: couple of days later produced this ad for his Fight
48:32
Speaker 2: Fight Fight cologne. A Frightnancy says that your enemies can't resist.
48:38
Speaker 2: It's just it's just brilliant. But Jill Budden thinks of
48:43
Speaker 2: selling his perfume. So I do not know, but we
48:45
Speaker 2: can only laugh. That's it from me, coming up, Sherry
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Speaker 2: markson GOODNIGHTE