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Jaguars Happy Hour | Trade Deadline Outlook, Colts Preview · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, October 29th. This is Jaguars Happy Hours.
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  Speaker 2: And now, a guy who decided to wear his costume
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  Speaker 2: two days early, Brian Sexton. How do you know I
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  Speaker 2: haven't been wearing it my whole life, Joe Fortunato? How
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  Speaker 2: do you know? Good afternoon. Welcome in to Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Brian Sexton. I am joined, as I always am,
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  Speaker 2: by Jeff Langeman and the coach, Mark Duffner. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I come in every week. On Monday, one of the
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  Speaker 2: first things I do after a game... He's kind of
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  Speaker 2: getting a couple of storylines, right? We call them big
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  Speaker 2: things on Jags AM. And this week, I wrote them down.
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  Speaker 2: I've got them, and I'll give them to you. But
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing was thrown off by this trade clock
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  Speaker 2: that all of a sudden got sped up, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the trade deadline is a week from Tuesday?
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  Speaker 1: December 10th. November 10th. Yeah, excuse me, November 10th.
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  Speaker 2: It's coming. It's inside two weeks.
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  Speaker 3: I wish it was December 10th.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 2: See, really?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I wish we had like two kind of deadlines just
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  Speaker 3: so that it would create more.
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  Speaker 2: You're just saying that to tweak me.
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  Speaker 1: You're trying to stir up. No, no, no, I'm serious.
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  Speaker 3: I think trades are fun. I mean, why not?
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask the question then? It's just a question.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the answer. I'm not coming on like
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  Speaker 2: our friend Pete Prisco and pounding my fist and saying,
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  Speaker 2: I know this to be certain. And I love Pete.
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  Speaker 2: And I love that about him. I wonder if there
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  Speaker 2: isn't at some point with teams that begin these massive sell-offs.
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  Speaker 2: Because I think that if you keep pumping this trade machine,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to get teams that they traded two players
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  Speaker 2: that have been all pro in one hour, right, or
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  Speaker 2: two hours. Incredible. But do you ever create a situation
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  Speaker 2: where the league looks with a little regret and says,
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  Speaker 2: you create some competitive imbalance around here now. When you
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  Speaker 2: start trading, when you get teams at the end of
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  Speaker 2: October that are just selling wildly. And I know the
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  Speaker 2: league doesn't care. The league is all about the attention
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  Speaker 2: machine these days. But I wondered, because a couple years ago,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's been six or seven, remember you had teams
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  Speaker 2: that had secured their playoff position in late December? They're
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  Speaker 2: just sitting, everybody. And the league said, well, enough of that.
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  Speaker 2: We can't have that. We've got to have a competitive environment.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to move more division games to the
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  Speaker 2: back end of the schedule. I just couldn't help but
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  Speaker 2: wonder if maybe the league might try to keep this
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  Speaker 2: from becoming a free-for-all. And when I said it to
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  Speaker 2: you earlier today, you're like, what? Are you crazy?
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  Speaker 1: I love the free-for-all.
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  Speaker 3: I think it creates conversation. It creates excitement.
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  Speaker 2: But is that good for football?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yeah, I think it is. Because, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: here's the thing. Seattle's sitting there going, okay, we picked
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  Speaker 3: up a hell of a guard.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, and this is going to boost our Super Bowl
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  Speaker 3: repeating chances. Chicago Bears are going, that's the missing link.
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  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Simmons is a great player. And the Tennessee Titans
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  Speaker 3: are sitting there going, look, we're so far away from
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  Speaker 3: being competitive. those couple first-round picks are going to help
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  Speaker 3: us dramatically.
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  Speaker 2: I get that part of the argument.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, I think everybody's happy to some extent.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. This is hypothetical, Duff. What
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  Speaker 2: if you get the Bears, not the Bears, the Titans
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  Speaker 2: have sold one, the Colts have sold two. What if
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  Speaker 2: you get four or five teams that are all, is
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  Speaker 2: there ever a point where it becomes ridiculous? Or is
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  Speaker 2: it just the nature of the game?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I know this much. I've never seen
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  Speaker 1: bigger moves this early ever.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit last year, right?
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  Speaker 1: Quinn Williams and Sauce Gardner. Hey, that's the other reason.
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  Speaker 1: When were they at compared to the deadline? I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they were this early.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they were either. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: towards the end of the deadline.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 2: And the Sauce Gardner thing, it's turned out so poorly.
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  Speaker 1: For the Colts. You think? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, two number one picks for a defensive back, Jeff.
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  Speaker 2: And then, and here's the thing that kills them. They
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  Speaker 2: thought they were doubling down on Daniel Jones and they
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  Speaker 2: were golden.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: And then Jones. tears his Achilles, and he hasn't been
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  Speaker 2: the same. Now you need a quarterback, and next year's
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  Speaker 2: draft is replete with them, and they could end up
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  Speaker 2: with all of these trades, giving the Jets an even
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  Speaker 2: higher draft pick next year. I mean, it sure looks
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  Speaker 2: like they're going to be in the top five right now.
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  Speaker 2: And you're going to sit there and think, oh, man.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what got Chris Ballard fired is that trade.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the contract and the trade. That's what got
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  Speaker 3: him fired. And so to some extent, them trading two
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  Speaker 3: players that were basically on one-year deals with approaching free agency,
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  Speaker 3: they know that they.
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  Speaker 1: Need a quarterback. How do you get one?
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  Speaker 3: If you don't have a first-round pick or picks to
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  Speaker 3: try to get into that category or range, you've got
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  Speaker 3: no chance. Now, they're still without a first-round pick.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, so who do they trade now?
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  Speaker 3: Could it be Jonathan Taylor? If it's me and I
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  Speaker 3: can get a first-round pick for Jonathan Taylor?
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  Speaker 2: Well, why not? You've traded away two of your best players.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying we're not going to be any good, and
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  Speaker 2: he's a running back.
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  Speaker 3: I would do that in a minute. I mean, because
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  Speaker 3: here's the reality. Are you going to build around a
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  Speaker 3: franchise running back?
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  Speaker 2: No. No? By the time you're good again, he'll be
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  Speaker 2: past his prime.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: So it only makes sense. for them to move, and
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  Speaker 2: I still think they're going to. I mean, I still,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're going to, I think the pressure from
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  Speaker 2: teams like Minnesota and the Bengals, who both, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think that's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I'll tell you what, I
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  Speaker 1: agree with Jeff. I mean, the activity of conversation on
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  Speaker 1: all these moves that we didn't, like we didn't need
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  Speaker 1: it already with the way the games are going and
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  Speaker 1: everything else this year, but man, as it sparked even
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  Speaker 1: more excitement, more enthusiasm, more conversation, it's off the charts.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just getting started, and here's the reality.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, all those trades were good for the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, listen, there is no doubt.
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  Speaker 3: Three top-end players traded out of the division.
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  Speaker 2: And you're going to see Jeffrey Simmons in Chicago, which
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  Speaker 2: takes a very challenging game anyway.
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  Speaker 3: I'd rather see him in Chicago than twice in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, one for two. You'll take that any day of
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  Speaker 2: the week. By the way, here are the big things
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  Speaker 2: that I wrote down, and we'll lead with them. The
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  Speaker 2: big things, by the way, are brought to you by
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  Speaker 2: our friends at Seabreeze Propane. Seabreeze. Slow mascot, fast delivery.
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  Speaker 2: The first is dominate. A couple of thoughts on this one.
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  Speaker 2: Number one is you have a chance to dominate the
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  Speaker 2: AFC South. And it might seem like a strong word,
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  Speaker 2: but you have a two and a half game lead
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  Speaker 2: right now. The Texans are off. You beat the Colts,
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  Speaker 2: which you should dominate. I know dominate is a different
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  Speaker 2: thing in the NFL, but you get my point, right?
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  Speaker 2: You could have a three game lead on the first
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  Speaker 2: Sunday of November in the division. I mean, that's a
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  Speaker 2: great opportunity for the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: Grab all you can while you can. Because you've got
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  Speaker 1: to go to Houston still. Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And perhaps your lead grows, and that game doesn't really matter.
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  Speaker 1: Stack them up now. Oh, it still matters.
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  Speaker 2: I tend to be with you because you remember the
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  Speaker 2: Titans in 2017.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, I don't care what their record is.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care what you are in the division. That
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  Speaker 3: game matters.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, yes. Write it down. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: They could be 1-11 or whatever they.
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  Speaker 2: Could possibly be.
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  Speaker 4: 3-14.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even– but the Jags are 3-14 in their
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  Speaker 2: last 17 games against the Houston Texans.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I know.
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  Speaker 2: That's just one of those things. You just scratch your head.
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  Speaker 2: You thought you had it last year, and then the
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  Speaker 2: fourth quarter melted down. The other two are defense because
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  Speaker 2: we've got to talk tonight about the defense and the
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  Speaker 2: defense rebounding from their toughest showing of the season. And
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  Speaker 2: then the final one is the division, which is the
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  Speaker 2: AFC South– You look at– and let's go there for
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  Speaker 2: a moment. You've got the Colts and the Titans that
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  Speaker 2: are basically going down for a while.
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  Speaker 3: You know, but here's the thing. I think you've got
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  Speaker 3: to guard against that mindset.
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  Speaker 2: They do. The players do.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. You and I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean– Otherwise, we're going to have a long show.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I still think you have to protect
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  Speaker 3: that mindset even in here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because I think there's a level of respect for professional
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  Speaker 3: football that you've got to give. Because the simple fact
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  Speaker 3: is that, look, if you trade two players, that's two
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  Speaker 3: of 53 that are active. Or not active, but on
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  Speaker 3: the active roster. And then not counting the practice squad.
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  Speaker 3: And so, I mean, I just got too much respect
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  Speaker 3: for the game and too much respect for the opponents
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  Speaker 3: to say, well, you know, Tennessee's now done. Oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: Indianapolis is having a fire cell and they're done. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of times under those conditions, teams have a tendency
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  Speaker 3: to gain some new life. And so, I mean, you've
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  Speaker 3: got to give a lot of respect, and I think
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  Speaker 3: it's very important for this Jaguars football team, especially from
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  Speaker 3: Duff's standpoint, a coaching standpoint, is that You got to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that it ain't about the opponent. You got
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  Speaker 3: to make sure that it's about you and about you
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  Speaker 3: raising your level of play to the best that it
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  Speaker 3: can be. And don't worry about the opponent. Play your
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  Speaker 3: ball and you play your brand of ball. And Liam's
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  Speaker 3: been preaching that.
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  Speaker 1: All year long. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So it's how you play, not who.
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  Speaker 1: No question about it. And you just mentioned that these
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  Speaker 1: things tend to make teams rally together to circle the wagons,
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  Speaker 1: to say, as you just said, hey, it's about us.
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  Speaker 1: Let's play for each other right now. So We're going
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  Speaker 1: to get a heck of an effort out of the Colts,
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  Speaker 1: I promise, based on that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. But the conversation in their locker room all week
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  Speaker 2: has been, they traded away these two guys, and they
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  Speaker 2: still could trade Jonathan Taylor, Grover Stewart, and Josh Downs.
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  Speaker 2: It's been trade, trade, trade, trade, trade. So, to some point,
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  Speaker 2: and you guys have both spent a lot of time
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  Speaker 2: in and around NFL teams, that noise is a massive distraction,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: It is a massive.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 3: It can be, especially if it's in, like, December.
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  Speaker 2: And they've already fired the general manager. I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: just feels like the Titanic.
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  Speaker 3: I know you have an owner that's been on the
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  Speaker 3: sidelines during games and, you know, Carly Ursae, um, Gordon,
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  Speaker 3: and it's different, right? I mean, it's just not normal. So,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I mean, it's definitely easy, I think,
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  Speaker 3: to be distracted if you're a player under all those circumstances. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you just don't know how a team is
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  Speaker 3: going to react. You don't know how Shane Steichen is
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  Speaker 3: going to handle the situation with his football team. Could
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  Speaker 3: it rally?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the one thing I do know. The Indianapolis
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  Speaker 3: Colts have had actually some fairly fast starts to some
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  Speaker 3: of their games. They haven't finished very well. They had
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  Speaker 3: a fast start against Minnesota. If all of a sudden
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  Speaker 3: they come out against the Jaguars and Jonathan Taylor gets
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  Speaker 3: going on the ground and they have a fast start,
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  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden they're going to be like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, this is a lot of fun. You know,
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  Speaker 3: after all the crap that we just went through this week,
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  Speaker 3: let's just go ahead and let it rip. You know,
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  Speaker 3: no pressure. Let's have some fun. We're not expected to
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  Speaker 3: win because, you know, there was a fire sale and
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden you may have a team that
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  Speaker 3: plays loose and free. You know, so you better be
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  Speaker 3: ready to play this football game. I'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt about it. I mean, and again, I
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  Speaker 1: think what you said earlier, the distraction, they've lost 11
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  Speaker 1: of the last 13 games. And so then with some
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  Speaker 1: of these moves and everything else, everybody goes, well, I
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  Speaker 1: guess we're giving up. You know, we're doing this. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I know those coaches there. I know a number of
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  Speaker 1: them well, and they're going to be coaching their tails
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  Speaker 1: off right now to turn all those distractions into production somehow,
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  Speaker 1: some way. So I have a feeling, just like Jeff said,
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  Speaker 1: if they come out and Taylor gets running like he
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  Speaker 1: ran this past weekend, they ran the best they've done
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  Speaker 1: all year against Minnesota, we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Minnesota's the only undefeated team, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Only undefeated team left in the league.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. They had the game.
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  Speaker 3: They had the game. They're six points down. They're driving
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  Speaker 3: to go in for the win. Okay, against Minnesota. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: at Minnesota?
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  Speaker 1: By the way, probably the top-ranked defense in the league.
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  Speaker 1: Not probably, is the top, 100%.
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  Speaker 3: And they had, which has been their Achilles heel all year,
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  Speaker 3: they had Daniel Jones throw an interception, which was horrendous.
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  Speaker 3: But still, I mean, at the end of the game,
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  Speaker 3: it's like a minute and 22 seconds left on the clock.
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  Speaker 1: They got a timeout.
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  Speaker 3: They're at midfield. They're driving to win the game.
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  Speaker 1: Not only– I mean, it's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they– So– They run it for 153 yards
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  Speaker 1: against them. Defensively, they played their best game the Colts
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  Speaker 1: did against them. I mean, I think they were like
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  Speaker 1: three for 11 Minnesota on third down. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: give up 16 points? Geez, well, Pete, no, no. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, they're circling the wagons over there in
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  Speaker 1: Indianapolis getting ready for this one.
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  Speaker 3: The one thing you want to make sure that you
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  Speaker 3: don't have happen, I think any time you play teams
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  Speaker 3: that are struggling– and especially this Colts team because they've
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  Speaker 3: been struggling in that category all year long. It's turnover differential.
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  Speaker 3: You get bad football teams opportunities and a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of momentum and excitement, emotional excitement and momentum with takeaways,
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  Speaker 3: then that could be a problem. So I think from
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  Speaker 3: a takeaway standpoint, you've got to protect the football this week,
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  Speaker 3: as you always do, but I mean especially against a
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  Speaker 3: team That's in the circumstances that they are.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so there's the warning, right? And the downside
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  Speaker 2: of what could happen on Sunday if the Colts come
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  Speaker 2: down here and rally. But the flip side of this
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  Speaker 2: is you've got a football team here who's coming off their,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to say worst performance because they put
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  Speaker 2: up 31 points, but the defense didn't play very well.
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  Speaker 2: And you left London feeling like you blew an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to own the division then and really put the Texans
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  Speaker 2: far in the rearview mirror. Well, then you got lucky.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, last Sunday, they didn't even play in all
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  Speaker 2: three of the teams. You mentioned the Colts, but also
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  Speaker 2: the Texans went to overtime with the Giants, and the
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  Speaker 2: Browns and the Titans went to overtime. And there was
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  Speaker 2: a moment where I thought, man, wouldn't it be great
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  Speaker 2: if they won, if all three AFC South teams lost,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought it's not going to happen. And then
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  Speaker 2: they did, right? So now the upside is you have
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  Speaker 2: another opportunity for this football team to play mentally tough,
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  Speaker 2: which is what the coach wants, and to push their
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  Speaker 2: advantage and i think this team knows what's in front
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  Speaker 2: of them the quarterback talked at the podium this week
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  Speaker 2: in that line was in the locker room today talking
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  Speaker 2: to players quietly they understand the position that they're in
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  Speaker 2: and they can take advantage on sunday.
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  Speaker 3: It's very similar to the eagles week in a lot
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  Speaker 3: of ways right i mean with all the distraction that
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  Speaker 3: the eagles had offensive line okay three out of the
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  Speaker 3: five starters are being replaced okay saquon is out Defensively,
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  Speaker 3: didn't they have some guys out on defense as well?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Grenard didn't play that day. There was a safety that
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  Speaker 2: didn't play for them that day.
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  Speaker 3: And so multiple guys that were not playing in that game,
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  Speaker 3: and so everybody was thinking, well, the Jaguars are just
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  Speaker 3: going to walk all over the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, pretty damn fortunate to win that ball game.
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  Speaker 4: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: Had to have a bunch of stars aligned at the
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: end of that game.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: And the coach can easily put that tape on. You're
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: so close to it that they can recollect it without–
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: too much difficult.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: I think that experience will help them and also the
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: fact that uh look you're you're coming off of a
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: loss of a team that's got two wins.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah no i think the bad taste in their mouth
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: lingers in fact it's demonstrated by the fact that on
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: tuesday the day off they had 56 players in the
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: building working out on their own you know on a
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: voluntary basis that's Action speaking louder than words.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's, again, the feeling that I got in
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: the locker room talking to guys is that they understand
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: that they're in a position here where they can control.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: And it's rare in the NFL where you're in control.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: So many different factors going around. They're in control. They
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: feel like they're going to take advantage of that.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Seize the moment, baby. Control the controllable. Seize the moment.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: All right. We've got a lot to talk about. By
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: the way, I mean, you want more of this trade stuff?
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: I've got some more happening. No, I just got social
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: media open. It's just trade, trade, trade, trade, trade. And
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: what drives me crazy is it's people saying, I hear this,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: and then you go find out they've got 57 followers.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? There's just so many
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: people out there. There's so much of this trade noise.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: The league freaking loves it.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I'm just waiting to see what the Jaguars are going
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: to do. Or are they going to do?
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Hold that thought. When we come back. We will talk
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: about that. We'll throw some thoughts at you on that one.
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• 16:44
  Speaker 2: just to put it in perspective for you, because that's
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: what the head coach does. He was at the podium
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: yesterday talking in the media, and he, of course, was
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: asked immediately about this week's opponent, the Colts, trading away
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: their best offensive lineman, Quentin Nelson, and their best defensive lineman,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: DeForest Buckner.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Two good players. We can't deny that, right? But knowing
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: what this team is, knowing what that team is going
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: to want to do, this has to all be about
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: our improvements, us getting back on track, got a good
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: division opponent that we're playing at home. And, you know,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: the focus level getting in pads today has to be
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: about our execution, our fundamentals and technique, you know, because
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: you just can't control that stuff. And if you think
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: about it too much, it typically doesn't help.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: He sounds just like you, Lux. Or you sound just
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: like him.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I think that's just the
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: football mindset. If Duff went first, he'd probably say the
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: same thing.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, I agree.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: So the football side of things is covered, right? The
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: football side, they're not talking about who.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Heck no.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: They're talking about how. And, you know, today you and
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I are in a meeting, and we're having this conversation
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: about trades, and there's a bunch of people in there.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And here comes the news that Jeffrey Simmons is traded, right,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: for two number ones.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And a four and a four right so and we
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: can debate the value of that and and.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Jefferson by the way i wonder if lequinn allen jr
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: is gonna how he feels about that.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: If you haven't seen the mic'd up from last year
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the way that lequinn allen jr plays and the way
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: that he went after jeffrey simmons in the game up
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: there they became tight yeah yeah jeffrey simmons is probably
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: glad he didn't have to see lequinn coming up in
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: a The Titans went out and spent about $ 20 million
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: a year on John Franklin Myers, the defensive tackle from
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: the Denver Broncos. And the thought was, we're going to
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: pair those two together and they are going to be
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: a dominant force. And here you are now, six, seven
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: games in, you're bailing on that strategy. So you do
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: have to know exactly what you're going to do if
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: you start doing these sorts of things, don't you? You've
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: got to have a really sharp plan.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's layers to that plan. It's not just
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: finite in terms of how this thing ends up so
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: you've got to think it through and then also give
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: a prayer or two to the good lord that might
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: lead us in the right direction no doubt.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna kind of go a little counter to your
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: thought process there and that you you kind of made
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: the assumption that everybody has a plan.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Well no i'm saying i don't think they do i
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: don't think they.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Do i mean there's a lot of teams in the
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: league that haven't had a clue as to what they're
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: doing on.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: And these two franchises right now, I was talking earlier.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they don't. I'm just saying that
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: there's many that have not had any direction whatsoever.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about the Sauce Gardener train. What
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: a disaster that looks like. It doesn't look like they
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: had much of a plan. It looks like they were just,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: let's go for it. Push all the chips in the
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: middle of the table. We look at that as, okay,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: that was bad for.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: The Colts, right? Yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Have the Jets gained any benefit from it?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: No, but next year.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, not yet, right?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Not yet.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Although there's a lot of talented young players up there,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: and they're going to have three picks that could all
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: be inside the top 15. So to your point.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Probably have a new coach to help select.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Them, too.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: To your point, you can rebuild. I just don't know
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: where I stand on it. I mean, listen, I'm having
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: fun following this just like everyone else. I'm a fan
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: of the game. And so this is just constantly feeding
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: the what's going on. And I love this side of it.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I just, I'm asking the question and I'm done asking
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the question because no one thinks that it is. So
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: it must be good for the game.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Let me ask Duff. I got a question for Duff.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Simmons.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Two ones and a four. Do you like it for Chicago?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I like it for Chicago and what he brings in.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Heck yeah, I do. That's a known right now. So
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: that the ones and a four, you don't know for sure.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: And you got also determined who's the evaluator that's picking
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: those four. I mean, those three, the two ones and
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a four, they could be, real well-heeled or not. So
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I like the fact they've got a known guy if
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I'm at Chicago. Yeah. I think it's an interesting trade.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, because I mean, there's some trades that you
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: always sit there and go, okay, who won?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, did the Bears win or did the Titans win? Right.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I think there's some situations that both teams can win.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Well, if the Bears get to the Super Bowl, if
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: they win the Super Bowl, it's a win.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think they necessarily have to win
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl this year, but in the next couple
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: of years.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Or win the NFC.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: But if you're one of the most dominant teams and
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Simmons makes your defense that much better to where
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: you are, one of the true competitors for the Super Bowl,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: then I think mission accomplished. It doesn't necessarily have to
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: result in a Super Bowl title. And if the Titans win,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: if they find two good players– or three good players
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: that last for a certain amount of time with the roster,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden Tennessee Titans fans are going,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: you know what, that was good for us.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: So how active should the Jaguars be?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Let me just make one other point. Those picks that
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Tennessee got, two ones and a four, do they have
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: a franchise quarterback yet?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: No.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: No.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: They might end up switching gears this year.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I mean, Cam Ward, he's still young, okay?
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: And there were times in the early part of Trevor
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Lawrence's career where we were like, is he or isn't he?
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: And we were like, we don't know yet.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: And Cam Ward right now, it's leaning towards no, but
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: it's still early in the process. And if that's not
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the case, and if you're Tennessee, the more number ones
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: you have, the more equity you.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Have to get that guy.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: And the Bears pulled the plug after two years on
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Justin Fields and went with Caleb Williams, and that's turned
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: out just the way that they wanted it to be.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: So the Titans could have a shot. There could be
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: as many as six quarterbacks. take him in the first
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: round next year if you if you just start looking
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: at lists and watching college football so you know maybe
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: they can turn this thing around the flip side for
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the colts is the jets are going to be using
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: their pick and maybe on a quarterback yeah right because
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: they've got geno smith up there and things could well
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: they got anthony.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Richardson in the wings you know they're working hard at
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: developing him.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure if he... That's what I kind
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: of thought. I knew that was a little... So he went, whoa.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: So I remember when they drafted, I was like, what
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: are they doing? I mean, seriously, what are you doing?
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: That pick and the Sauce Gardner trade got Chris Ballard fired.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Great athlete, right? Great athlete. And there's no arguing that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: But experiencing as a passer?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: No. I mean, fourth overall?
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I have to go back and look at how many
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: snaps the Jaguars have faced him. But it isn't many
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: because every time they face him, he gets hurt. Because
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: he's putting his shoulder down and getting driven into the
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: ground by a defensive tackle.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: You know what they're going to, at some point, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I hope he turns out to be a good player
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: at some point. Gets another chance, maybe Geno Smith-like. Maybe
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden he turns into something.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: He's a quarterback.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Because he is a tremendous Cam Newton type of athlete.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: But even more gifted probably. than Cam, but that size. And,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: but he's just, he hasn't been able to make it happen.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: And could he go down as like Ryan Leaf and
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: tapping out? I mean, known for that? I mean, that's,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: right now, that's what he's known for.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: You just get the sense that you could ask him
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: to do almost anything on a football field other than quarterback.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And physically, he's got the skill set to be able
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: to provide it. Could you see him as a tight end?
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: He's 6'4, 250.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, rare athlete.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Great athlete, but. He didn't want to give that up.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: He's a quarterback. He wants the money. So how active
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: should the Jaguars be?
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know how active they will be. Should they
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: be active?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, why not? Why not try to improve
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: your football team?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: And we know that James Gladstone is not afraid of
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: making a deal. I mean, from the very get-go, he
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: was making a deal for Travis Hunter. And so I
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: would expect them to be players– And also the simple
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: fact that James Gladstone comes from the Rams. Which, look,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Les Snead coined the phrase, F them picks.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Okay. So we'll see.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I have no doubt that they're on the phones having conversations.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: But it takes two to tango, right?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I'm very confident of that.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: It takes two in order to get a deal done.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And here's something else. How early do you want to
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: get a deal done? I mean, there might be players
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: available next week, depending on how teams... week eight fairs
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that are available that you didn't think might be.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I suspect that they are very thorough right now in
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: all the applications we're talking about. I see that in
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: this group right now. So I'm very confident there's a
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: way to improve this football team. They're on it and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: they're prepared to do it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not sitting back.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Doing nothing.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: No question is there's no way.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: What's the value?
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Who's the player?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: And are two sides willing to meet in the middle?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: The only thing I'd say is that's why I really
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: applaud what Chicago did. They're striking while the iron's hot
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: right now, where they got a chance bringing that guy
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: in there in terms of Simmons right now. And I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: think our iron's pretty hot right now, too, and I'm
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: for getting us better.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: And the word on Jeffrey Simmons is top, top-end character guy.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I always like watching him play.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And when you watch.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Him play, he's kind of a, I'm trying to think
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: of a good word that's acceptable on radio, just he's
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: a jerk.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Which I like that.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Listen, football's not a game for well-adjusted men. No, no, no.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: He's not in that library or in church right now.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: And that's a good trait to have.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And I don't want him there.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, you like to have jerks on game day.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: But everything that I've heard about him is that he
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: is a top-end guy. And if you're going to execute
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: a trade, you have to make sure that that's the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: type of player.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: That you get.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Listen, I asked someone on the football side, Shortly after
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the trade was announced. And I said, so what do
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: you think? I mean, two ones, that seems kind of steep.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: And I was basing it on the Colts and what
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: they gave up for Sauce Gardner. He looks at me
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and goes, are you crazy? He said, it's a three
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: technique tackle. How many three technique tackles that can absolutely
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: upend a game are there? He said, there's not many.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: We'd do that.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you used the word dominate earlier. He's dominant. Jim Schwartz.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz. Longtime defensive coordinator. I know you know him.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: He was on a podcast while we were in Europe.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: And I forget who it was. It was an NFL podcast.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And the question was, if you were given the chance
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to build a defense around one player, who would it be?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And he said a defensive tackle. Because they are the
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: closest position to the quarterback.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Did he name names?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I don't recall whether he did. But he's been around,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and he's been around some good defensive tackles. And his
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: point was they're the closest to the quarterback. And if
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: you find a difference maker, you do it. So outside
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: of personnel departments, people are going to grade this that
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the Bears gave up too much. Maybe they get a
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: great player, but he's 30 and all that stuff. I'm
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: just telling you, from my interaction today, I don't think
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: people inside buildings think they paid too much if Jeffrey Simmons–
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: is going to play at that high level in Chicago
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: like he did in Tennessee.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Well, and then what Jeff just said, he is going
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to play at that level. Let's talk about that because
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: we've seen it time and time again. But what he
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: brings as a leader, as a person right now, to
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: continue to elevate the culture and the attitude of that team,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: much like Jacoby Myers came and helped this team, you
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: bring that guy, a dominant player plus a dominant attitude, whoo.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Are they the favorite now in the NFC? Oh.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Donald's up and down.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you've got to talk about him. I mean,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: they're in a conversation.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, they found a way when Caleb Williams left
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the Vikings game with a hamstring to just keep winning.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Incredible.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: And now you give them a difference maker on defense?
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: They're a fun team to watch.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Fun team.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: And the other thing, too, just to add this about
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Simmons, name me the other top defensive tackles in
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the league. Dexter Lawrence, right?
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Is Chris Jones still on the list? Chris Jones is still.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Probably on that list.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. Jalen Carter.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Jalen Carter turns it on.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Sometimes, and sometimes the throttle's not going.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: But when he's going, there's nobody better.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Is Aaron Donald a difference maker returning?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I think he'll get back to that.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: He'll get back to that level?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I think he'll get back to that.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: How about Byron Murphy in Seattle?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I think he's a stud. I love him. Very good player.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I love him. I think he's the best 0-1 player.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: That there is in the game, and he gives you
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: three technique ability.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I love him.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: The aforementioned personnel guy who did not give me permission
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: to use his name, so I won't. We went through
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and counted the number of guys like you're talking about.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And we topped out about seven. And one or two
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: of them were... maybes so you're talking about five real
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: difference makers and jeffrey simmons is right there at the
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: top so from that perspective.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Well he's he's he's close to the top i don't
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: think he's at the top but i mean i would
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: disagree with with that a little bit but i will
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: say this about him he's arguably the most consistent yeah
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: and that he comes to play every game yeah and
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: there's a lot to be said for that you know
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: i mean if you're going to give up a lot
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: of equity You want to have consistency, and that's the
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: one thing he has been.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break. When we come back,
• 30:22
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• 30:25
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• 30:52
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• 30:55
  Speaker 2: And we're back after this on 1010XL and all the
• 30:58
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• 31:07
  Speaker 2: hour here on 10, 10 XL and the Jaguars media channels,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Brian Sexton, along with Jeff Lagerman coach, Mark Duffner is
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: here and it's time now for the injury report. The
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Thursday injury report is presented by UF health, the official
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: healthcare provider for the Jacksonville Jaguars. And for the Jacksonville Jaguars, uh,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: one name added to the list today, Laquint Allen jr.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Was limited with a hamstring. Uh, Did not participate was
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Antonio Johnson. And he's a key part of that defense, man.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Two days in a row he has not participated, so
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: it's not looking good for him on Sunday. Limited participation, Allen.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Ross Matysik, the long snapper. Jacoby Myers. Rook Arororo. And
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Brenton Strange. Well, sorry. Those are the three limited. Matysik, Myers,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: and Arororo. Brenton Strange. and Monteric Brown were both full,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: so that's good. So one did not participate, Antonio Johnson,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and as I mentioned, he's a pretty important guy to
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: what they do.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Well, he is just because of his versatility, and that's
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: the one thing that, look, you can play the next
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: man up and have that philosophy, but the reality is
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: it really doesn't apply, and Duff, you could probably speak
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: to that a little bit better than I can, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, not trying to be very critical, but Kayvon
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Mayweather can't do what Antonio Johnson can do.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, the production that Antonio's brought in coverage, in
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: the run game, coming up playing physical against the run.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: And how about pressure? I mean, geez, he's, like you said, Brian,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, the guy is so valuable. And as you mentioned,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: his versatility, but also his productivity, it's hard to replace.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: So we're going to pray like crazy we get him
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: back in.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not many guys that you see around the
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: league that can play safety.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Nickel dime and linebacker yeah and Antonio can do all
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: of those and uh if he doesn't play last week
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: it was Kayvon Merriweather kind of went in there um
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: and he did a good job because he's really physical
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: and they actually had him and Antonio on the field
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: at the same time and Kayvon was bringing some wood
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I really appreciate how physical that he is but he
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: just doesn't have the ability and coverage like Antonio does.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: And look, Tyler Warren's a pretty good tight end that
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: the Colts have. And so not having Antonio Johnson for
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: this game for that tight end definitely is not good.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Here is their injury report. The Colts list Andrew Ogletree,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: a tight end, and Warren, the tight end, as both
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: being limited today. And two did not participate.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: One is.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: A linebacker, Betcher?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Betcher. Betcher. He's a rook. Yeah.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And then the other one is Justin Wally. I think
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: he's their nickel, right?
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: He is their nickel.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And they have all kinds of issues on the back end.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Well, that's a big one because Cam Teller-Britt went on
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: IR this week. And then Sauce Gardner has the calf.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: He was fooled today, so it appears he's ready to go.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: That's a depleted– well, I mean– For now, I mean, look,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: when you've got a calf, a calf is arguably one
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: of the most concerning injuries that you can have.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Because it's tied to the Achilles?
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: No, not because it's tied to the Achilles. It's just
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: one of those things that it just never seems to
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: go away.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: It lingers. And when you.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Hear guys that have calves and you talk to medical people,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: they're so conservative.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Oh, God.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: When it comes to dealing with a calf injury. So, look,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Sauce may have practiced today, and they may have him
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: off the injury report, but the reality is he missed
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: like four out of eight games last year with a calf.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: He's missed two games this year with a calf. And
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I don't care if he practices or not. You have
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: him with a calf coming off of something like that,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: and then you've got a guy that just went to IR,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: and then you have another guy that's not practicing. That's
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: a concern.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: So the Colts come down here not having won in
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville since 2010. Now, that doesn't mean anything relative to
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Sunday's game, but I do think it's interesting because, remember,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: they went from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck, right? They
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: went from one to the other. That's kind of like
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the Packers who went from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And I remember thinking, it's almost not fair, right? I mean,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars, they were struggling. Quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. But
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: listen to the list of quarterbacks who have started games
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: down here since 2014.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: For the Colts.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: For the Colts.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Andrew Luck was the last quarterback to win here. He
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: threw four touchdowns in 2014, and they won 44-17. Matt Hasselbeck.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Luck started twice in this 11-game swing. Jacoby Brissett started
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: twice in this 11-game string. Phillip Rivers. Carson Wentz. By
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the way, Phillip Rivers lost here.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Lost here, right? In the 20-season. And that was the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: only win the Jaguars got. Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan, Gardner Minshew,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not done, Joe Flacco, and Daniel Jones. And then
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jones was five of seven, was out in the
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: first quarter, and Riley Leonard came in and played three
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: quarters of the game. That is a long list for
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: the Colts at quarterback.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: What is there, about eight, eight or nine?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you count Riley Leonard, who went in
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: for Daniel Jones, that's nine. Nine. I mean, it kind
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: of seems like a Cleveland Brown-esque list.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jones is going to start on Sunday, and Shane Steichen, Jeff,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: gave him a strong vote of confidence on Monday and said,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: that's our quarterback until I tell you differently. Let me
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: just give you a couple numbers. He had 64 net
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: passing yards in the loss and that egregious interception. I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: think egregious is the word you used.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Because he was sacked a bunch.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: They have lost three in a row, and in the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter of those losses— He is 14 of 39
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: with an interception and a passer rating of 39.1. Yeah,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: it's a problem. And in each one of those three games,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: there was an opportunity for them to win and turn
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the game around.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were in it.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: And that's concerning. But again, we'll go back to what
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: we were talking about earlier. Who are you going to
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: turn to? Riley Leonard or Anthony Richardson?
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: No.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: And I think the Colts only held on to... Anthony
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Richardson because the general manager wanted to, and he was
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: maybe hoping to save face and maybe execute a trade somehow. But,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, the reality is that that's the best option
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: that they have, and that's the decision that you made,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: and you've got to roll with it.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: So they don't have Alec Pierce. Josh Downs will probably
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: be here, although his name is prominently featured in neon
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: lights around the National Football League. As a trade candidate,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: and then he's obviously throwing his own hat into the
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: ring to go play somewhere else.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's our most targeted receiver, so again, they're going
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to look to him for sure.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: So here's the guy, Jonathan Taylor. If you make him
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: last year in two games here, well, I'm sorry, two
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: games against Jonathan Taylor. The one here, 21 carries, 74 yards.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: That's 3.5 per carry. He had the touchdown. There, 21 carries,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: 70 yards, 3.3. In fact, the Jaguars have not allowed
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: a rushing performance of better than 75 yards since he
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: had 177 against them in the season finale 2024. He's
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the last guy to have a big day. So last
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: year they had him under control, but at last look
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: in 2024, they did not. What do you see when
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: you turn on the tape, guys?
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: He's still a great back. Oh, yeah.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: And they got a little bit of a one-two punch.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Sure they do.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: And Jonathan Taylor has great vision. He's got power. He's
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: got the burst. The only thing that he does not
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: do very well, his pass protection sucks. It's just not great.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's very good.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: But as a back and a workhorse, he is still
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: amongst the best.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Touchdown.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: In the first quarter against the Vikings, right up the middle.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: He was so patient waiting for Quentin Nelson to wash
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: his guy past him, and then he just exploded through
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the hole.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: 38-yard explosive play, 5.3 yards of carry. They don't run
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: him enough. I mean, they get distracted or they get
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: off of it right now. I mean, I think what
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: they're going to come in here is ball control, ball control,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: run the football, control the clock. I mean, that's what
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: they're going to be. It's going to go through him.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: And McGowan, as Jeff was alluding to, is pretty good back, too, now,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: number 20 offensively. Also a very good returner in terms
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: of special teams.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: He's only played nine games against the Jaguars in, what, six,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: seven years. Who, JT? Yeah, because he's had injuries, foot
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: and ankle injuries.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: The one I always go back to, which is how
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: many yards did he have, the personal record that he has?
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: His rookie year.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: At the end of the year, he had 254 yards.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: 253. Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: That was January 3rd of 21.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: They couldn't stop him.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Couldn't stop him.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't like that pitcher at all.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: He's had 300-yard games in the nine, right? He had 177,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: as I mentioned, at the end of 2024, and 116
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: in there as well. But he is on a 14-game
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: stretch without 100, though he's had a couple of 90s.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 94 against, I think, Tennessee, 95 against Minnesota.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: And just to put it into perspective, he's averaged 96
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: yards per game against the Jaguars over the course of
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: his career. So they've got their hands full.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Well, and you always hear that stat. And, you know,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars put out their press release. And, of course,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: we've been writing this number down all season long in
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: that the Jaguars have been 23 consecutive games without a
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: 75-yard rusher.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: And you go back to, and the reason why there
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: are 75, and it's always kind of fun how PR
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: staff will kind of cherry pick a number. You know, hey, look,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: we've been one of the best going back to week
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: four of 2023.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Specifically week four.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: They cherry pick stuff. Of course they do.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: So this is one of those cherry picks, but it's legit.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Jaguars run defense.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor was the last guy to do it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Well, no, he had 74.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: But I mean, he did it at the end of
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the 2024 season. Exactly.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: And so that's why it's the 75 and up.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: It's because 74 was the best.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: In baseball, they talk about doing it on a Thursday night.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, so if you know, if you change it
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: just slightly and obviously you lose the consecutive game.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: You can make statistics any way you want.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Make it good for sure. But they still coaches.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: And PR staff.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: But they still are number one against the run yards
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: per game and per carry. So we'll take that.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I think it's I think that's the that's like one
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: of the sexy matchups of the day. I mean, look,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: you got Devon Hamilton versus Bortolini.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: You like him. Bortolini's a center.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Bortolini's a center. Sounds like pasta, but he's a center.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Pretty good athlete.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: And Devon Hamilton's going to chew him up.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: So how much more difficult is Jonathan Taylor's job without
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Quentin Nelson? Can he still do big things?
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he can.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, look... Because he runs behind.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: He ran behind him, I should say, a lot.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Quentin Nelson is probably one of the top three guards
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: in the league.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I think he's the best guard I've ever watched play.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, and I don't think he's... I mean, there's
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: some other guys that are pretty good, too. But he's
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: one of the best three, four.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, and.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: And he does a really good job of getting that push,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: and there's been some years that he's had a little
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: bit of an off year. But, I mean, he's been
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: wildly consistent, and he's a big factor. I think they've
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: got an excellent offensive line coach who's got the genetics
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: in Tony Sperano, Jr., who ever since he kind of
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: came out of his dad's shadow, he has done an
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: excellent job with that Colts offensive line. And he's had
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: a number of guys that he's had to work through
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: through the years, and he's done a great job of
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: developing them. And he probably doesn't get talked about enough
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: in the league. And I think he's an excellent coach,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: and I think he'll have those guys ready to go.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break. Our final one of Jaguars
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Happy Hour coming up at 5 o'clock. Tony Buscelli and
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: James Gladstone join us for Jags HQ. When we come back,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: we'll look at how the absence of DeForest Buckner impacts
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Sunday's game against the Colts here at Everbank Stadium. One,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: by the way, of four remaining games in the stadium
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: before the Jaguars close it down and give it all
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: to the construction people. Mark Lamping was over here talking
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: about that earlier today. We'll continue after this on 1010XL,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: 92.5 FM, and all the Jaguars media channels. About six
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: minutes and change left in this program, and it's time
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: to take a look at Players to Watch, presented to
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: you every Thursday evening by Jeff's favorite, Mr. Chubby's Wings.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Before the game, after the game, during the game, and
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: on Jeff's way home occasionally. More so, though, when they
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: bring them to him. in the broadcast yeah at halftime
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that's his favorite big fan of mr.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Duff likes to sneak in the booth when we have
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: i need to get in there more often i'll tell
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: you that's for sure i know one thing going by
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: it it smells awful good.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: So uh no deforest buckner yeah really good player and
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: a guy who is a very productive football player a
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: disruptive guy in the middle so how do you see
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the impact on their defense who are the guys who
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: can threaten trevor lawrence on sunday Well, to.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Go to DeForest Buckner, I remember when the 49ers were
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: looking at possibly trading one of the two towers that
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: they had, which was DeForest Buckner and Eric Armstead, and
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: they traded DeForest Buckner.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I went, oh. That's right.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: You know, because DeForest Buckner, to me, is the better
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: of the two by far. And, look, I think they
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: both have been great players.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know if Eric Armstead is a great player anymore,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: but I think DeForest Buckner is still playing at a
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: really high level. And I think he's going to help
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: in the future because the one thing– He's going to
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: help San Francisco. The only thing, of course, going back there,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: he's going to be great, I think. The one thing
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: you've got to maybe– the doubt in the back of
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: your mind is how's his neck.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Because he had surgery last year.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: He had surgery last year. And the one-year deal, it's fine.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: You know, it's not a big deal. But how is
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: that net going to hold up, and will it hold up?
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a concern for sure. But I'll tell you,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: in terms of productivity, this year, four sacks, 31 tackles,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: all kinds of hits, 10 quarterback hurries or hits. I mean, golly,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: he was playing great for them.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: And it's not going to cost the 49ers a lot
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: of money.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: No, he's got an expiring contract, yeah.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Well, and the prorated portion, I wrote it down. His
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: paragraph five was $ 13 million, so they're picking up nearly
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: $ 8 million left.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: And, I mean, that's doable.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: And even like Quentin Nelson, the Seahawks, he had a
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: $ 16 million base. I mean, so the prorated portion of
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: that is not that bad for these teams to absorb.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: We've got three minutes left. Where are the threats on defense?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, Buckner was a guy you identified. You've got
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: to have him.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Well, Grover Stewart's a big, powerful, run-stopping guy, and Latu
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: always gives me a little bit of nervousness just because
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I think he can be an excellent pass rusher. I
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: thought he was going to be a great one coming
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: out of college. Watching his college film at UCLA, he
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: was just a dominant player, but he hasn't turned out
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: that way in the pros yet.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little inconsistent for sure right now. They're going
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: to look for more production for him. But at a
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: bar weight, 95? Adibare, I guess it's pronounced. Adibare. Yeah,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: you had it better than me.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: I wrote it down phonetically, Duff. It's Aditamiwa Adibare.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, he went off against Minnesota. Two sacks,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: two quarterback hits, pass broken up. But four sacks right now,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: you know, co-leader of the team with Buckner until he left.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And this guy is a factor inside right now. So
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: he's a big-time concern, I think.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: But he just doesn't have– I mean, Buckner is so
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: unique in that, I mean, you're talking– Just like Eric Armstead.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, a guy.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: That's 6'3, 300 pounds and got length. I mean, he's
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: just a massive human being, and he's still playing at
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: a really good level.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: The cornerback, Javarius Ward, is playing probably as good as
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: he's played in his career right now. His statistics, if
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: you look at him, are up there pretty good. So
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit of a concern for
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: him in terms of the play that he's got.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And Jaguars throw at everyone, so Sauce Gardner's availability isn't good.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: They're not going to say, well, we're not going to
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: throw at Sauce.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're scared of any of their defensive backs.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: And they've got a rookie that's playing in the back end,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: a draft pick, third-round pick, A.J. Halsey. And I don't
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: think he's very good yet. And the reality is, too,
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: is that defensive tackle-wise, I mean, people are saying, oh,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: are they going to play Adibare?
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe Jerry Tillery, and if they play Jerry Tillery, Jerry
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Tillery is not very good.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: So will the Jaguars run on these guys?
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: They should.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Will we see that breakthrough day? It has felt like
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: it was coming, and penalties have brought back big runs.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: I'll make a prediction.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to make a prediction that this is
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: the game that– That our guy goes over 100.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I think we're going to get explosive runs in this game, too.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: And I think that's part of over the 100. I'm
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: with you on that right now. They're in the middle
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: of the pack right now in terms of, in fact,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: they're in the back end of it in terms of
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: run defense. So, yeah, I see that happening.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: The Jaguars have had a pretty good success rate running
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: the ball, staying ahead of the chains, which is always
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: going to be the key. Tootin, four touchdowns this year,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: two receiving, two rushing. He has 11, and he was
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: a part-time starter last year. You just keep waiting for him.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: It's coming.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: And by the way, how much fun was it to
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: watch Chris Rodriguez last week against Houston?
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: I brought up a name to him. We had him
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: on the TV show on Monday night, and I said,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: have you ever watched the old footage of Christian Okoye?
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: He goes, who? Oh, that Nigerian nightmare.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Oh. I was in Kansas City when he showed up.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: You've got to watch that.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: He was a monster.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the deal with our guy. You've got to
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: be quick.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: We're done in 30 seconds.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Eight out of ten third-down runs right now, successful for
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: first downs, number one in the league. That's what he
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: is right now. And we'll leave it with you. that.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Coach Duffner. We appreciate you. Buscelli and Gladstone
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: are here in seconds, at least that's what we expect.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Loggie and I are here until 6 o'clock. Jags HQ
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: is next. Thanks for joining us for Jaguars Happy Hour,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: and we'll see you on the other side of this break.